DE/OLB or 3-4 Nose tackles

[LorenzoDC]

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Ultimately, what I think should happen, is a couple of new position classifications for hybrid 3-4/4-3 players. Every year in the draft there are players like DeMarcus Ware and Richard Seymour who are versatile and play different positions according to what scheme they're in. This happens in free agency too, for players like Chris Canty who played DE in the Cowboys' 3-4 but switched to DT with the Giants. Players like this should be categorized as DE/OLB or DT/DE. That way, when a 3-4 team signs a hybrid DE/OLB, they automatically default to OLB (i.e. someone like Aldon Smith via the draft or, say, Dwight Freeney via free agency). Vice versa, if a 4-3 team signs the hybrid DE/OLB, he would default to DE. There should also be two separate depth charts that value different ratings for OLB, DE, and DT depending on whether you are controlling a 3-4 or 4-3 team. That way, if you run a 3-4 and try plugging a 5'11" 230lb 4-3 OLB into your lineup, he will be rated lower than the 6'4" 255 lb DE/OLB hybrid since the ratings that make a player good in the 4-3 depth chart aren't as good in the 3-4 depth chart.

Yes, this.

[Droopy03]

Quote: Originally Posted by imskykid

This has always been one of my main issues with franchise mode. CPU 3-4 teams don't draft for their scheme and you see a lot of them sign 250 lb DEs to play the 5 technique and 5'11" 230 lb OLBs. Hopefully with the new player roles and GM logic, they will draft and sign free agents appropriately. If not, we can always take advantage of the ability to edit players now. It will be really nice if we want to switch 4-3 DEs that we draft to 3-4 OLBs... we can just up some of the pass coverage abilities to make it more realistic of a transition and not have our 1st round, 85 ovr DE drop to 60 ovr when we switch him to OLB. Ultimately, what I think should happen, is a couple of new position classifications for hybrid 3-4/4-3 players. Every year in the draft there are players like DeMarcus Ware and Richard Seymour who are versatile and play different positions according to what scheme they're in. This happens in free agency too, for players like Chris Canty who played DE in the Cowboys' 3-4 but switched to DT with the Giants. Players like this should be categorized as DE/OLB or DT/DE. That way, when a 3-4 team signs a hybrid DE/OLB, they automatically default to OLB (i.e. someone like Aldon Smith via the draft or, say, Dwight Freeney via free agency). Vice versa, if a 4-3 team signs the hybrid DE/OLB, he would default to DE. There should also be two separate depth charts that value different ratings for OLB, DE, and DT depending on whether you are controlling a 3-4 or 4-3 team. That way, if you run a 3-4 and try plugging a 5'11" 230lb 4-3 OLB into your lineup, he will be rated lower than the 6'4" 255 lb DE/OLB hybrid since the ratings that make a player good in the 4-3 depth chart aren't as good in the 3-4 depth chart. Same goes if you try to plug someone like Mario Williams into a 4-3... his OVR would take a hit, whereas in the 3-4 where he would be rushing the passer, his ratings would be better than 4-3 backers. But, the ability to edit players in Madden 12 will make it a lot easier than before to manage all the teams that run different schemes without making all the personnel moves for 32 teams.

I want confirmation on this from somebody interviewing them.or from ra cause I hope they thought about all off this

[matroska]

I wouldnt be surprised if we saw defensive players with rated abilities for each tech and the 2 point stance. Actually I would be surprised, but not disappointed

Surely it couldnt be that hard for EA to use a scouting service to estimate ratings for how effective a player would be at a certain tech or their ability to stand up drop back in coverage. Then use hand crafted draft classes like in HC09 and we're golden (or maybe take everything from HC09 but let us choose to play the games instead of coach ). Id be in franchise mode forever.

[JalenTigh]

So much is riding on NCAA getting their stuff right in their recruiting classes. I am strictly an imported draft player... and none of this GM logic stuff will mean anything for someone like me if NCAA is still generating 5'8 165 pound Power HB's, or 6'7 185lbs DE"s, and all the other assorted unrealistic players they generate. Yeah, I know I can edit those players now... but I should not need to.. It feels like cheating to me having the complete editing available.

[Exonerated]

In HC09. There were 3-4,4-3 DEs. Teams that ran the 3-4 would only draft and sign 3-4 DEs. 4-3 DEs would receive a huge ratings decrease playing in a 3-4 scheme.

Same thing for OLBs.

I think its safe to assume that this is the case in M12

[tap11]

Quote: Originally Posted by Exonerated

In HC09. There were 3-4,4-3 DEs. Teams that ran the 3-4 would only draft and sign 3-4 DEs. 4-3 DEs would receive a huge ratings decrease playing in a 3-4 scheme. Same thing for OLBs. I think its safe to assume that this is the case in M12

You would think so, but Madden never stops surprsing me with utter stupidity. This years game looks terrific so long as the 3-4 / 4-3 thing is fixed, but we will see.

[bostonsports]

Quote: Originally Posted by Exonerated

In HC09. There were 3-4,4-3 DEs. Teams that ran the 3-4 would only draft and sign 3-4 DEs. 4-3 DEs would receive a huge ratings decrease playing in a 3-4 scheme. Same thing for OLBs. I think its safe to assume that this is the case in M12

considering everythings about the same, probaly a little better than hc this probaly is the same too. I sure hope so at least, I wish they too lb's and dline players and put 2 different postions for them, one being for a 4-3 system and one being for 3-4.

[SeahawkNMD]

This was always my entry in Madden wish list threads, for players to convert realistically between 4-3 and 3-4 defenses. I think there is going to be a form of this in Madden 12 from them talking about AI GM logic. Hopefully they included Nose Tackle/1 Tech and Under Tackle/3 Tech to the 4-3 DTs and 5-Tech and 0-Tech to the 3-4 DL. I'd really like strong side/ weak side added to the OLBs as most teams use those principles but it might be hard to program the defense to recognize SS/WS on the field.

My proposal would be for them to program a 4-3 and 3-4 defensive ID to every defensive front 7 player and have one of those positions to be preferred. I don't know much about programming but I wouldn't think programming it this way would take up too much space. I think Donny Moore would be able to identify logical conversion positions for each player with an appropriate ratings change.

Another less preferred way that could work is to have positions be based on weight although there are probably more exceptions to "rules" that would be put in place. Where some teams employ NTs weighing 330+ and some are closer to 305 like Kyle Williams and Jay Ratliff. Most 3-4 Rush Linebackers are 250+ and most ILBs are 245- then if you got 4-3 OLBs you convert at the cutoff of 250 and if for 3-4 OLBs converting if they're 260+ the go defensive end 255- they go OLB.

Neither of these ideas is ideal so I hope the Madden 12 crew figured out a better way to implement the 4-3 3-4 GM management scheme.