AI vs. User Control of Players

[twimstaxs]

Quote: Originally Posted by Senator Palmer

I am a firm believer that a player should perform to their ratings, whatever they are, without me controlling him. It is supposed to be a team, and despite being able to control various aspects of a game, I can only control one player at a time. If I'm playing at the MLB on the Vikings, then I should be able to count on Jared Allen giving me double digit sacks every year. If I've got Revis, I should be able to count on him taking away half the field while I focus on working other parts of the defense. To me, it's just elementary. A 99 rated player shouldn't play at a 75 because I'm not controlling him, otherwise, what are the ratings for?

How many sacks does Jared Allen have this year?

[Senator Palmer]

4.5 so far.

[twimstaxs]

Quote: Originally Posted by Senator Palmer

4.5 so far.

I do not think he will have double digit sacks this season. Jared Allen is a beast though. I get enough sacks as long as I bring pressure. I have not watch any Min games, but I think it all depends on the defense you'd run also in order to get a lot of DE sacks. I found a way to get pressure and sacks with my DEs without controlling them, but I also do not run a MIN defense that would justify JA getting that many sacks already.

[Senator Palmer]

Quote: Originally Posted by twimstaxs

I do not think he will have double digit sacks this season. Jared Allen is a beast though. I get enough sacks as long as I bring pressure. I have not watch any Min games, but I think it all depends on the defense you'd run also in order to get a lot of DE sacks. I found a way to get pressure and sacks with my DEs without controlling them, but I also do not run a MIN defense that would justify JA getting that many sacks already.

He's has at least .5 a sack in every one of the 3 games so far and you don't think he's going to break double digits?

If he doesn't get double digit sacks it would be going against a pretty consistent trend. The last time he didn't break 10 on a season was 2007 and he was in Kansas City. Since he's gone to Minnesota, he's logged 40 in three full seasons with only Demarcus Ware having more at 46.5.

[Neolithic]

he plays my Bears two times, he'll get 10 sacks....I promise you that.

[nld230]

Quote: Originally Posted by twimstaxs

I do not think he will have double digit sacks this season. Jared Allen is a beast though. I get enough sacks as long as I bring pressure. I have not watch any Min games, but I think it all depends on the defense you'd run also in order to get a lot of DE sacks. I found a way to get pressure and sacks with my DEs without controlling them, but I also do not run a MIN defense that would justify JA getting that many sacks already.

Doesn't matter what we think a player will do. He should play to his ratings. If he's a 65 rated DE, he shouldn't get sacks. If he's a 99, he should have 15-20.

[Playmakers]

Quote: Originally Posted by mburke2

From what I understand, the awareness rating doesn't factor into played games at all anyway (not even for CPU controlled players), only in simulated games.

YOU HEARD WRONG!

any player that the USER isn't controlling is operating on his own awareness

Do honestly believe the CPU QB can read a defense if the awareness rating wasn't being utilized?

Do you honestly think a player would recognize a fumble occured if the awareness rating wasn't being utilized?

You might want to read up on the things that awareness actually effects

[ghostlight85]

I think I'm fine with awareness not really impacting the user controlled player. Mostly because the alternative scares me.

I don't want to ever have the game choose to ignore my decision to throw to a receiver or delay my reaction in pass coverage because it is trying to simulate low awareness of the player I'm controlling.

I don't think that is unsim. You are equating sim to having zero user impact on the game other than strategy. I don't enjoy coach mode as much as I enjoy playing the game. That said, I shouldn't be able to dominate with poor players. A superb athlete with low awareness is the only case where the results should be significantly different between a user controlling them and the CPU controlling them. I can live with that rather than having the CPU fudge up my reactions.

EDIT- This question is also posed in a strange way. I don't think that the CPU jumps any differently with Darrelle Revis than I do. I hope not anyway. All of their skills and abilities should be the same, but I'll live with the awareness thing.