If Jones-Drew wanted out of Jacksonville...

[Pandetta]

Quote: Originally Posted by VikeKing

No, it's not that elite running backs have the least trade value, it's that teams which actually have them are not willing to give them up for cheap. That's like when the Redskins got Clinton Portis in his prime...you've got to go all in for them to even consider. If, for example, Jerry Jones called up the JAX front office and said "we'll give you Tashard Choice & a 2nd rounder for Jones-Drew...they would laugh and hang up. MJD IS the Jaguars...trust me they are not giving him up for a 2nd rounder and a running back equivalent to their backup Karim. He is still young and backed up Fred Taylor early in his career. The injury has showed no sign of effecting him, so I'm not sure what all this talk about baggage and milage is about.

Right and the Redskins have gone down as laughingstocks for that deal, even when it happened people were like "wait what are you thinking?"

Of course they aren't trading him for another running back + draft pick, that's a Madden trade - NFL teams don't trade RB for RB, it's just not done. But 2nd round pick + young 70s corner or WR yep I bet they would talk in a heartbeat. Injuries add alot of mileage regardless of what may show - either in reality or perception of teams.

[bobcats55]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pandetta

The Eagles and Chargers have young running backs that are very good/future Pro Bowlers (McCoy is almost MJD status already) so they wouldn't need him at all. The Colts could use it him although it's a bit weird for their style with Peyton - if they ended up with Luck it would be great but then what is the point for MJD? The Patriots have two running backs, but both are spot backs - nothing really special just young solid backs. However they JUST drafted two backs in round 2 and 3 and Ridley is looking really good so they have 4 young backs sitting there. What you need is a team with an aging back like Benson in Cincy - and they could be good in 1-2 years, the Browns if Hillis doesn't resign (he sounds pissed but who knows), the Lions (Best is awful idc if he had a good game vs Chicago), or maybe Atlanta where Turner is getting old. There are other teams that desperately need him (Miami) but are terrible. My best suggestions

Good points, looking at it like that does make sense. Honestly, the Cincy idea sounds the best to me after reading this. MJD could do his thing while Dalton and Green gain experience. One or two more drafts and they may be in a position to compete. Way more so then Jacksonville will be haha

[bobcats55]

Quote: Originally Posted by VikeKing

No, it's not that elite running backs have the least trade value, it's that teams which actually have them are not willing to give them up for cheap. That's like when the Redskins got Clinton Portis in his prime...you've got to go all in for them to even consider. If, for example, Jerry Jones called up the JAX front office and said "we'll give you Tashard Choice & a 2nd rounder for Jones-Drew...they would laugh and hang up. MJD IS the Jaguars...trust me they are not giving him up for a 2nd rounder and a running back equivalent to their backup Karim. He is still young and backed up Fred Taylor early in his career. The injury has showed no sign of effecting him, so I'm not sure what all this talk about baggage and milage is about.

Great point

Can't give up your star for backups and a pick. The injury is definitely not slowing him down. He is definitely one of the top backs in the league. With a solid team around him, he could really contribute.

[VikeKing]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pandetta

Right and the Redskins have gone down as laughingstocks for that deal, even when it happened people were like "wait what are you thinking?" Of course they aren't trading him for another running back + draft pick, that's a Madden trade - NFL teams don't trade RB for RB, it's just not done. But 2nd round pick + young 70s corner or WR yep I bet they would talk in a heartbeat. Injuries add alot of mileage regardless of what may show - either in reality or perception of teams.

What? No one was questioning the trade when Portis was putting up a 1500 yrd 11 TD year. It was actually one of the smarter moves that Dan Snider made (not saying a bunch). They were starting guys like Trung Candidate before Portis came. I only used the Choice example because you said 2nd rounder + RB was a bunch. Still not even close though...there is absolutely NO chance that they would trade their franchise running back for a 2nd rounder and young corner or receiver. MJD for a WR on the level of Early Doucet and a 2nd? Give me a break.

You overestimate how much value teams place on past injuries. Guys like Javon Walker get huge gauraunteed deals coming off of multiple knee surgeries in this league (TWICE).

[pinksheets]

You overestimate how much teams value the RB position. Unless we're talking about a team making a Superbowl run in absolutely DESPERATE need, you wouldn't sniff anything near a first for MJD. The injuries are a concern, he has a ton of tread on his tires, likely only a couple years of elite production left at most, and that 1st could be used on a young elite RB the next year if a team wants to address the position with that kind of investment.

Keep in mind the Jags themselves were going to have him start sharing the backfield with Rashad Jennings prior his need to go on IR, largely due to injury concerns with MJD. But the Jags won't trade MJD unless he's on the last year of his contract and he has made it explicit he wants out, even though they still might franchise him, because let's face it, there's only one guy in town selling jerseys.

[Ghostciv]

The colts trade Faulk who at the time was only 4 years in the league for a 2nd and 5th round pick and he had a great season at 1319 yards which at the time was good for 6th in the league. Just teams Dont use rb like they use too. most teams have 2 or even 3 rb during any game. Would the jags trade MJD in real life no but if they did i'd be surpised if they got more then a 3rd for him. Btw he is one of my Fav backs in the league to watch.

[havokeff]

The Colts had James targeted in the draft though, which is why they traded Faulk along with the was he or wasn't he hold out issues.

Drew is also hardly an old running back at 26. He has at least 5 solid years left in him with his elusive running style as he doesn't take a lot of hits.

He would go for a first round pick only if it were just one pick. If it were a group of picks, it would be a 2nd, 3rd and and at least a 3rd from a future draft.

Lessen either of those with a very promising young back, but then what is the point, unless you just really need MJD's skill set.

[Pandetta]

Quote: Originally Posted by VikeKing

What? No one was questioning the trade when Portis was putting up a 1500 yrd 11 TD year. It was actually one of the smarter moves that Dan Snider made (not saying a bunch).

I'm sorry but if you don't remember how much crap the Redskins got (and still get) over that trade then you either didn't follow the NFL closely at the time, or you still don't. Even then, when teams hadn't quite understood that RBs weren't truly disposable like they definitely believe now, no other team thought that trade was anything but an awful deal for Washington despite Portis being probably the best RB at the time. EVERYONE else questioned that trade.

The other issue people seem to forget - even rookie running backs that are expected to be stars aren't always early picks anymore so a running back with ANY injury issues or significant mileage (3 seasons of 200+ carries is significant to teams now) will not go for a 1st round pick which is worth a ton more than most people seem to think.

Typically you will only see 1 back per draft in the first round now, 10-15 years ago it was 3-5 or more, and almost always one in the top 3-5. A back would have to be Barry Jim Brown Sanders Payton to go 1st overall today.