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02-03-2013, 03:16 PM | #25 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Re: Josh Looman CCM progression talk on Twitter
International games - my best guess here - haven't been included yet due to stadium licensing issues. Doesn't excuse their absence, but it must be an acceptable explanation for it unless us the fans want to pony up the licensing costs for Tiburon ourselves, I'm sure they'd appreciate that.
Are there things that need adjustment? Yes. Is the game a 1:1 match with real life? Absolutely not. Does it need to be to be fun and enjoyable? I argue no, and I also argue that making the game 1:1 with real life would make it entirely inaccessible for those of us who have never played professional football, which I assume is the vast majority of us. |
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02-03-2013, 03:19 PM | #26 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Lets note that your signature has a quote from Ian Cummings, talking on the stupidity of trolls. Ian also said that he felt Madden 10 would put to rest the "2k" debates as what game was better. Let's not turn this into another one of those, but lets ask ourselves if 4 years later Madden has had that watershed moment. Just some basic principles of football, have they been placed in Madden; Defensive Reaching Double Team Blocking Ball Carrier and Blocker Interactions Consistent "One Angle of Attack" Pursuit Consistent "Second Level" Blocking Run Block Engagments the Duration of a Play The 360 was twice as capable as its orginal predecessor, yet in 8 going on 9 development cycles those issues critical to simulating football have went practically untouched. It appears likely that the 360 generation of Madden football will pass and never see them implemented. Madden is still trying to catch up to a competitor for this long and cant surpass them in most areas? Taking video game out of the picture, in most if not all areas of business some may see failure a term that might used to describe that situation. To respond to your rebuttal about player positons, many times out of college a player is moved to a different positon once in the NFL. There is no reason I shouldn't be able to draft a player and find he fits better somewhere else. It may be with varying levels of success, but I'd wager to say upwards of 50 times a season it happens. I suppose I wasent clear enough in where those positon changes would be made. So to reiterate my point, it's unacceptable to not be in the game. Perhaps have a first 3 season window it can be done, I recall a lot of Plaxico Burress DB's a few years ago. Last edited by RyanMoody21; 02-03-2013 at 03:26 PM. |
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02-03-2013, 03:35 PM | #27 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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An example as to what I'm looking for: say the offense calls a play where the strong-side flanker runs what the game would call a fade route. If the defense comes out in a one high safety look with the CBs playing off and the right CB's first step is backward, I'm leading that receiver running the fade to the sideline and zipping him the ball ASAP, it's an easy eight yards and my QB can make that throw. Playing that from the defensive side of the ball, I want in the game the ability to deploy in that one-high-safety look, but then have my actual called play be something completely unexpected for that alignment, perhaps a Cover 2 where the CBs are going to crash down and the safeties immediately sprint back, for example. Basically, I want more options to try and confuse the QB with having to call a last-second audible or call eleven defensive hot routes (which are difficult enough to call already, particularly if one's opponent comes from the "set-hike" school of snap counts).
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02-03-2013, 03:38 PM | #28 |
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From a software developer's point of view, the game successfully generates a 256-game schedule for the entire league without fail that can be played through season-over-season. Adjusting how this is done to more accurately reflect how the NFL schedules games is likely a to-do thing for Tiburon and is doable, but likely a low-priority item. When they say "they can't do it", what they likely mean is that they haven't budgeted time for it in the current development cycle.[/quote] I just want them to balance the home and away... No team plays 6 of there first seven games on the road or at home at one time..
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02-03-2013, 03:48 PM | #29 |
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What I personally believe that CCM needs the most is a mix between the XP/Performance based progression system and the Potential based progression system. Personally, I don't want to have to play through EVERY practice just to get the XP benefits from it for my players, but if I don't play the practices, the young players on my bench don't get any better. I don't feel like I am developing anyone when I draft, I feel like it's hit or miss if the players are good enough to play or not. I have ALWAYS been for performance based progression, but the place where players get better is OUTSIDE OF GAMEDAY AND IN PRACTICE. Yes, we have a practice feature in M13 but it is too time consuming for a lot of people like myself to even bother with. So, what you can do is have a flat-potential based progression like the old game that isn't too dramatic like it used to be (instead of young players who didn't see the field getting a plus 6, maybe a +2, +3, or +4, that runs of an algorithm based on scheme fit and their developmental trait or something like that. Do this while also having the XP based progression. I have had HUGE years with players (ex 4500 yds 30TDs with a QB) and, even with a Normal or Quick development trait, it hardly felt as if they got any better despite them having a great year on the field. So it hardly feels like there was any performance based progression. Also, ratings just don't feel that they fluctuate as well as they should. No huge progressions or regressions or anything, it feels very bland and alike every year. So, even though it would be complicated, you could make X portion of the progression XP based, Y portion of progression similar to the "Potential" based system, and Z portion of the progression directly proportionate to their stats on the year. As some guy said earlier, if a guy has 10 drops but catches a few TDs, would it make sense if we were to use the XP to make his hands better even though they proved to be so bad? Quite simply, I want there to be a good amount of players that fall off the face, drastically improve, regress substantially to a point where it resembles the constantly changing faces of the NFL. I hate seeing the RBs look basically the same as they did before 3 years into my CCM, while almost all of them are close to or past 30 years old. The current system simply does not accurately reflect the NFL, and we need some sort of drastic change.
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02-03-2013, 04:07 PM | #30 |
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All I want, besides HC09 into CCM mode properly, is for young undrafted players to possibly get good. It's interesting that last weekend the Chris Collinsworth Super Bowl Special had London Fletcher and Jeff Saturday interviewed with Payton Manning and they all came from the same draft class. Neither London or Jeff were actually picked and yet look how they turned into superstars.
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02-03-2013, 04:09 PM | #31 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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If you have players that look like 0 OVR QBs on your goals list, those are your OLBs, though they won't have season goals. However, if you DON'T get the bug, OLBs DO have season goals. Not sure what triggers it.
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02-03-2013, 04:14 PM | #32 |
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2 way players isnt a problem? how many 2 way players?
example: Tamba Hali, KC ran a 4-3 D, they switched to a 3-4, he was a 4-3 DE, he became a 3-4 OLB, sure it was a transition, but he became a better player in the 3 -4, had andy reid decided he wanted to move the team to a 4-3, back hali would have gone to DE. if you take that out of our hands, then this which also happened with the colts and their switch to a 3-4, cannot be replicated. there is so much wrong with this game it hurts. hall is broken. cpu ai is broken, management of rosters broken, player cards are broken, the game doesnt even keep track of what team you played for each year. it doesnt even track your pro bowls. it doesnt have a working challenge system. you can throw for 34 tds, but if your goal is 35, you wont see a high percentage of that goal, you will see basically nada. in a game that has an XP system that makes sense, it is crushed when you realize that its based on stats, as it should be, yet the problem is, the stats are virtually impossible to replicate without losing the fun of playing. putting in tackle goals that are insane while taking out assisted tackles? good grief! I think all would be fixed if they just let us have an option to turn on editing of CPU team depth charts, re-signings, basically full control without having to switch over. I dont think they will ever get it how we want it, but at least we could spend an hour fixing the cpu's stupid mistakes in ccm. but when you have stuff like, "hey, the chiefs fired their head coach, hey they are now back to running a 4-3 defense!!! I cant wait to play them and see their 2 new beastly defensive tackles!---you play them, and out comes romeo crennel's 3-4 defensive playbook. which basically negates the ENTIRE point of this switching concept. this is where the defense of devs is annoying to me. you mean they cant see that teams let go of their top picks after big performances after their first contract without a tag. players dont progress correctly w/ the cpu. we cant challenge what we want. the cpu will run the clock out instead of kicking a game winning field goal. with the hall, did the person in charge of that just make the qb's/hbs, wrs, tes make sense, then just totally forget to make the defensive players and offensive lineman have a system that makes it remotely realistic for them to make the hall? that just shows of piss poor development. piss poor testing, and piss poor work to fix the problem. I bet its there in 14!
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