Com vs Com sliders

[Lupus11]

Re: Com vs Com sliders

Lupus,
interesting results there, but I'm starting to believe that the contact/power sliders are the key, but somewhere in pitching, composure seems to play a big part. I'm running one game @ 35/75 hitting, with 30 composure, everything else the same. if I don't fall asleep, I will post later tonight. two homer average is about right, but I'm either getting 3-4 @ 40/80, or 0-1 @ 30/70, both with composure @ 50. maybe 35/75 is it, and I'm running Reds/cubs right now. have you noticed if you can turn off the "hot streak/cold streak" feature at the beginning of a franchise? I've got three cubs who have been HOT for over six weeks. of course, changing the sliders as much as I do probably doesn't help.

johnriii,

I don't think you can turn off the 'streaks', I can't say I like the idea of them. Although I get the idea of 'streaks' it does feel a bit like a player being granted 'super powers' if they achieve certain feats...but we must remember this is a video game!

Ok, had some interesting results/stats with a new slider set: batting @40/80/30/30 and pitching @50/55/0/0 (pitch speed 60 for what it's worth!)

White Sox 5-3 Indians

Hits : 8-12
HRs : 0-0
Avg : .242 - .400
Ks : 7-10
BBs : 1-2
1B : 3-8
2B : 5-3
3B : 0-1
SB : 1/1 - 1/3
PC : 104-117

Twins 1-6 Rangers

Hits : 6-11
HRs : 1-1 (Thome - Cruz)
Avg : .206 - .366
Ks : 6-12
BBs : 4-2
1B : 4-6
2B : 1-2
3B : 0-2
SB : 2/3 - 0/0
PC : 126-110

Royals 4-13 Red Sox

Hits : 8-20
HRs : 2-0 (Hosmer, Butler)
Avg : .235 - .500
Ks : 4-8
BBs : 6-1
1B : 4-12
2B : 2-6
3B : 0-2
SB : 0/0 - 1/1
PC : 138-103

These have all been decent games, big variety in scores/stats. The Red Sox seem to double at will, I guess the Green Monster plays it part, I'll have to remember to take the Sox on the road. Given the pitching sliders I was surprised that the old 40/80 combo didn't provide more HRs, but the hits in general seemed fine given the matchups - the Red Sox were actually up 6-0 on eight hits in the first. I think there may be a future with these sliders, does need a lot more test games, but I like what I'm seeing with 50/55. When strike zone freq. is @50 or lower the number of BBs tends to average out quite high, but when @55 with pitch success of 55/60 then the number of Ks goes too high and the pitch count gets too low. Pitch count does look a little lower than ideal, but at least the balls to strikes ration is working out fine, the range should be 60-65% strikes thrown. I think you may be right about the contact/power combo, these sliders are getting the pitching about right so I'll run with 40/80 at the moment, but 45/70, 40/75 or 35/80 might be the answer. Onwards!

[Lupus11]

Re: Com vs Com sliders

Here's a couple more with the 40/80/30/30 bat and 50/55/0/0 pitch sliders:

Orioles 6-2 Yankees

Hits : 15-8
HRs : 0-1 (Granderson)
Avg : .365 - .250
Ks : 5-7
BBs : 1-2
1B : 13-4
2B : 2-2
3B : 0-1
SB : 0/0 - 1/1
PC : 93-139


Giants 4-12 Reds

Hits : 8-16
HRs : 0-5 (Votto 2, Bruce, Cozart 2)
Avg : .235 - .363
Ks : 7-9
BBs : 3-2
1B : 7-9
2B : 0-2
3B : 1-0
SB : 0/0 - 1/2
PC : 137-100

Again a decent variety of stats and results. I changed the fielders speeds to 30 for at least one of these game, can't remember if it was for both. Not bad so far.

[johnriii]

Re: Com vs Com sliders

Here's a couple more with the 40/80/30/30 bat and 50/55/0/0 pitch sliders:

Orioles 6-2 Yankees

Hits : 15-8
HRs : 0-1 (Granderson)
Avg : .365 - .250
Ks : 5-7
BBs : 1-2
1B : 13-4
2B : 2-2
3B : 0-1
SB : 0/0 - 1/1
PC : 93-139


Giants 4-12 Reds

Hits : 8-16
HRs : 0-5 (Votto 2, Bruce, Cozart 2)
Avg : .235 - .363
Ks : 7-9
BBs : 3-2
1B : 7-9
2B : 0-2
3B : 1-0
SB : 0/0 - 1/2
PC : 137-100

Again a decent variety of stats and results. I changed the fielders speeds to 30 for at least one of these game, can't remember if it was for both. Not bad so far.

Here is the result of one game with contact/power @ 35/75.

Cubs 6 pirates 5
hits 9-8
hr 1-2
ks 12-10
bb 2-3

overall, not too bad. strikeouts were a bit high, IMO, but I probably need to run a few more games before I judge that portion. three HR's a game wouldn't bother me, however the Pirate who hit one of theirs had a 59 power rating, and it was in the top of the 2nd. your results with your pitching set up that way is interesting. I may have to try that after a few more games with mine.

[Lupus11]

Re: Com vs Com sliders

Here is the result of one game with contact/power @ 35/75.

Cubs 6 pirates 5
hits 9-8
hr 1-2
ks 12-10
bb 2-3

overall, not too bad. strikeouts were a bit high, IMO, but I probably need to run a few more games before I judge that portion. three HR's a game wouldn't bother me, however the Pirate who hit one of theirs had a 59 power rating, and it was in the top of the 2nd. your results with your pitching set up that way is interesting. I may have to try that after a few more games with mine.

What pitching sliders are you running?

I've come to the conclusion that 40/80 gives too many hits, power @80 does provide homers, but I was seeing too many double digit and high average games. The only way to lower Ks without turning every game into a batting fest is to have higher contact, but then too much power means the same old high hit numbers, and not enough contact means barely any homers. Strike zone freq. @55 does make a quite dramatic change to @50, the ball is there to be hit far more often regardless of pitch success. I have tried 45/75 which actually was very close to 40/80 results, ran a few on 35/75 which provided some decent numbers but becayse of low contact there was a tendency for pitching domination. The true sweet spot would be possible if we didn't have to rely on increments of 5, but I've been running a few games with 45/70 and am seeing a nice balance between hitting and pitching (50/55/0/0). So far the Ks have ranged from 4-12, BBs 0-5, games with multiple HRs and games with none. The Rangers had 10 runs on 17 hits in one game, the Cubs were held scoreless on 3 hits. The averages are generally in the right range but the Rangers hit .414 and the Cubs a measly .107. I'll post the lot later. At the moment these are looking good, but it might be worth trying 45/70 with pitching @ 55/50 or 60/50 as they have usually been fairly solid sliders, but unless 50/55 fails from this point on, it's a good combo although the pitch counts are lower than ideal - although I don't really want to watch both teams average 148 pitches for an entire 162 game season. For realistic pitch counts you must have strike zone freq. @50 or lower, so there may be a case for trying 45/70 batting with various other combos such 55/45-50 or 50/45-50. Ever get the feeling you're living out an MLB 2K11 Groundhog Day?

[UNCHeelsftball2011]

Re: Com vs Com sliders

ive got a slider combo that seems to be doing real good right now. I used the base from the set that was posted in here, made a few changes...seems to work well.

Im doing my franchise game with the Nats, we r home against the phillies. In the 6th inning, the Phillies are up 5-1. They scored 5 runs on 7 hits, with 1 error. My Nats have score 1 run, on 2 hits, with 1 error. Once the game is finished, ill post the final stats

[UNCHeelsftball2011]

Re: Com vs Com sliders

Stats from Phillies @ Nationals:

Phillies:

7runs, 9 hits, 1 error

V. Worley: 6 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 3 BB, 10 SO
D. Herndon: 2.2 IP, 4H, 3 R, 3ER, 2 BB, 2 SO
B. Lidge: 0.1 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 0 SO




Nationals:

L Hernandez: 4.2 IP, 7 H, 5 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 2 SO, 1 HR
J Marquis: 0.1 IP, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0
J Zimmerman: 2 IP, 2 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 3 SO
D Stoven: 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 3 SO





TEAM STATS:

PHILLIES

.272 avg
7 Singles
0 Dbls
1 Triple
1 HR
1 SB
1 Caught Stealing
.624 strike %


NATS

.228 avg
8 singles
0 doubles
0 triples
0 HR
2 SB
0 Caught Stealing
.554 strike %

[UNCHeelsftball2011]

Re: Com vs Com sliders

heres the sliders i used:

Batter Contact: 30
Batter Power: 95
bunt contact: 50
Bunt Success: 45
____________________

Pitch Speed: 80
Pitch Success: 60
Strike Zone: 50
Pitch Break: 50
Composure: 40
____________________

Gather Error: 55
Throw Error Freq: 60
Outfield throw speed: 80
infield throw speed: 50
outfield run speed: 90
infield run speed: 80
_____________________

Base Run Speed: 60
Hit and Run Tendency: 75
Sac Bunt: 75
Squeez Tendency: 70
Base Runner Agression: 80
Steal Aggression: 85
Catcher Arm: 60
Catcher Arm Accuracy: 40

[Lupus11]

Re: Com vs Com sliders

heres the sliders i used:

Batter Contact: 30
Batter Power: 95
bunt contact: 50
Bunt Success: 45
____________________

Pitch Speed: 80
Pitch Success: 60
Strike Zone: 50
Pitch Break: 50
Composure: 40
____________________

Gather Error: 55
Throw Error Freq: 60
Outfield throw speed: 80
infield throw speed: 50
outfield run speed: 90
infield run speed: 80
_____________________

Base Run Speed: 60
Hit and Run Tendency: 75
Sac Bunt: 75
Squeez Tendency: 70
Base Runner Agression: 80
Steal Aggression: 85
Catcher Arm: 60
Catcher Arm Accuracy: 40

Interesting contact/power combo. Have you run many games with that setup?

[Lupus11]

Re: Com vs Com sliders

Ok, here are the stats for the games with the 45/70/30/30 batting and 60/50/55/0/0 sliders. For pitch speed I use 60 because that is the default setting, not sure if it does play much of a role if any in CPU vs CPU games, although I do seem to remember there being more strikeouts @50 than @75 earlier, but that was only a few games.

Rangers 10-2 Blue Jays

Hits : 17-6
HR : 1-1 (Kinsler - Bautista)
Avg : .414 - .187
Ks : 7-7
BB : 0-5
1B : 12-4
2B : 2-1
3B : 2-0
SB : 1/1 - 0/0
PC : 93-139

Orioles 7-5 Yankees

Hits : 10-9
HR : 1-2 (Lee - Swisher, Granderson)
Avg : .277 - .257
Ks : 4-5
BB : 2-1
1B : 7-5
2B : 1-2
3B : 1-0
SB : 1/1 - 0/0
PC : 94-113

Cubs 0-2 Cardinals

Hits : 3-6
HR : 0-0
Avg : .107 - .214
Ks : 4-9
BB : 0-1
1B : 2-5
2B : 1-1
3B : 0-0
SB : 0/0 - 0/0
PC : 80-96

Mets 6-2 Nationals

Hits : 9-7
HR : 0-0
Avg : .281 - .212
Ks : 10-8
BB : 0-3
1B : 5-5
2B : 4-2
3B : 0-0
SB : 1/2 - 0/1
PC : 101 - 104

Marlins 8-3 Braves

Hits : 9-7
HR : 3-0 (Stanton, Cameron, Buck)
Avg : .257 - .194
Ks : 12-10
BB : 5-3
1B : 6-7
2B : 0-0
3B : 0-0
SB : 0/0 - 0/0
PC : 151 -125

Pirates 1-8 Phillies

Hits : 4-11
HR : 0-0
Avg : .133 - .333
Ks : 5-5
BB : 3-2
1B : 4-9
2B : 0-2
3B : 0-0
SB : 1/1 - 0/1
PC : 117-99

Astros 4-17 Brewers

Hits : 13-25
HR : 0-3 (Hart, Fielder, McGehee)
Avg : .342 - .531
Ks : 8-7
BB : 1-1
1B : 10-17
2B : 3-5
3B : 0-0
SB : 0/0 - 1/1
PC : 141-113

As you can see a nice variety of games and stats ranging from the Cubs' no-show to the Brewers' monster effort. Pitch counts lower than ideal, but this comes from having strike zone frequency @55, and this also accounts for slightly lower BBs. Obviously the solution is to drop strike zone frequency to 50 and then see if the batting numbers change and then maybe mess with pitch success, although the 60/50 combo did provide decent pitch counts for the WS it also upped the BBs, so I would think that the only viable alternatives are 55/50 or 50/50 which I haven't run with 45/70 batting combo yet. These sliders seem to show that break influence plays virtually no role, but it the above changes to the pitching tilt the balance towards the batting than break influence might be he last resort.

I'd have to look at the MLB stats to check on the number of steals/attempts, the extra base numbers look fine, but both these can be solved with the sliders without dramatically altering the game. The main issue with this game has always been trying to get the balance between hitting and pitching, and these look fine other than the pitch counts and low BBs, so I think the 55/50 or 50/50 pitching tweaks are worth trying, but if they inflate the offensive numbers then I'll stick with these.

[UNCHeelsftball2011]

Re: Com vs Com sliders

Interesting contact/power combo. Have you run many games with that setup?

yea i have done about 20 franchise mode games with that set up (all CPU v CPU). I had a wide variety of results, all within the relm or reality. Some high scoring games (last game i did the Braves beat me 8-3, they were up 8-0 until the top of the 8th), some low scoring games, some extra innings games.


I did make some new tweaks to it, but my disk broke so itll be a couple weeks before i get back on. But the changes i made increased the reality of the games... for instance in the 8-3 win by the braves, they had something like 6 singles, 2 double, and 2 homers. Once i get the game again i will get on and post what my current sliders are.

I think i just adjusted the baserunner speed, but im not 100% sure if that was the only change

[johnriii]

Re: Com vs Com sliders

Ok, here are the stats for the games with the 45/70/30/30 batting and 60/50/55/0/0 sliders. For pitch speed I use 60 because that is the default setting, not sure if it does play much of a role if any in CPU vs CPU games, although I do seem to remember there being more strikeouts @50 than @75 earlier, but that was only a few games.

Rangers 10-2 Blue Jays

Hits : 17-6
HR : 1-1 (Kinsler - Bautista)
Avg : .414 - .187
Ks : 7-7
BB : 0-5
1B : 12-4
2B : 2-1
3B : 2-0
SB : 1/1 - 0/0
PC : 93-139

Orioles 7-5 Yankees

Hits : 10-9
HR : 1-2 (Lee - Swisher, Granderson)
Avg : .277 - .257
Ks : 4-5
BB : 2-1
1B : 7-5
2B : 1-2
3B : 1-0
SB : 1/1 - 0/0
PC : 94-113

Cubs 0-2 Cardinals

Hits : 3-6
HR : 0-0
Avg : .107 - .214
Ks : 4-9
BB : 0-1
1B : 2-5
2B : 1-1
3B : 0-0
SB : 0/0 - 0/0
PC : 80-96

Mets 6-2 Nationals

Hits : 9-7
HR : 0-0
Avg : .281 - .212
Ks : 10-8
BB : 0-3
1B : 5-5
2B : 4-2
3B : 0-0
SB : 1/2 - 0/1
PC : 101 - 104

Marlins 8-3 Braves

Hits : 9-7
HR : 3-0 (Stanton, Cameron, Buck)
Avg : .257 - .194
Ks : 12-10
BB : 5-3
1B : 6-7
2B : 0-0
3B : 0-0
SB : 0/0 - 0/0
PC : 151 -125

Pirates 1-8 Phillies

Hits : 4-11
HR : 0-0
Avg : .133 - .333
Ks : 5-5
BB : 3-2
1B : 4-9
2B : 0-2
3B : 0-0
SB : 1/1 - 0/1
PC : 117-99

Astros 4-17 Brewers

Hits : 13-25
HR : 0-3 (Hart, Fielder, McGehee)
Avg : .342 - .531
Ks : 8-7
BB : 1-1
1B : 10-17
2B : 3-5
3B : 0-0
SB : 0/0 - 1/1
PC : 141-113

As you can see a nice variety of games and stats ranging from the Cubs' no-show to the Brewers' monster effort. Pitch counts lower than ideal, but this comes from having strike zone frequency @55, and this also accounts for slightly lower BBs. Obviously the solution is to drop strike zone frequency to 50 and then see if the batting numbers change and then maybe mess with pitch success, although the 60/50 combo did provide decent pitch counts for the WS it also upped the BBs, so I would think that the only viable alternatives are 55/50 or 50/50 which I haven't run with 45/70 batting combo yet. These sliders seem to show that break influence plays virtually no role, but it the above changes to the pitching tilt the balance towards the batting than break influence might be he last resort.

I'd have to look at the MLB stats to check on the number of steals/attempts, the extra base numbers look fine, but both these can be solved with the sliders without dramatically altering the game. The main issue with this game has always been trying to get the balance between hitting and pitching, and these look fine other than the pitch counts and low BBs, so I think the 55/50 or 50/50 pitching tweaks are worth trying, but if they inflate the offensive numbers then I'll stick with these.

you may be on to something, because I have had four really decent games with 35/75 contact/power, outside of the high strikeout totals. I don't have time to post stats, but suffice it to say that 35/75 is almost perfect, but EACH TEAM was averaging over 10 k's per game, and around 3 walks. in four games, I have seen 6 hrs, so the power is there. I'm thinking if I go with your recent pitching sliders, it should be just right. oh yeah, no games with over 12 hits by either team.

[Lupus11]

Re: Com vs Com sliders

yea i have done about 20 franchise mode games with that set up (all CPU v CPU). I had a wide variety of results, all within the relm or reality. Some high scoring games (last game i did the Braves beat me 8-3, they were up 8-0 until the top of the 8th), some low scoring games, some extra innings games.


I did make some new tweaks to it, but my disk broke so itll be a couple weeks before i get back on. But the changes i made increased the reality of the games... for instance in the 8-3 win by the braves, they had something like 6 singles, 2 double, and 2 homers. Once i get the game again i will get on and post what my current sliders are.

I think i just adjusted the baserunner speed, but im not 100% sure if that was the only change

Sounds interesting, hope you get back into the game again soon.

[Lupus11]

Re: Com vs Com sliders

The odd thing with strike zone freq. is that the strike to ball ratio is in the ideal range when you have it @55 just as it is when you have it @50, but the pitch counts are on average 30 pitches lower.

[Lupus11]

Re: Com vs Com sliders

you may be on to something, because I have had four really decent games with 35/75 contact/power, outside of the high strikeout totals. I don't have time to post stats, but suffice it to say that 35/75 is almost perfect, but EACH TEAM was averaging over 10 k's per game, and around 3 walks. in four games, I have seen 6 hrs, so the power is there. I'm thinking if I go with your recent pitching sliders, it should be just right. oh yeah, no games with over 12 hits by either team.

johnriii,

The high strikeout numbers with 35/75 were what put me off it a little, but I don't think I spent enough time messing with pitching sliders. It's good to see you're getting BBs at that number (in the 2.75-3.25 range) so you seem to have the pitching sliders fine, but the higher Ks suggest that contact is either too low or something to do with break influence and any change to the success and strike zone sliders is best avoided otherwise BBs go up or down again. What are your pitching sliders at the moment?

[johnriii]

Re: Com vs Com sliders

johnriii,

The high strikeout numbers with 35/75 were what put me off it a little, but I don't think I spent enough time messing with pitching sliders. It's good to see you're getting BBs at that number (in the 2.75-3.25 range) so you seem to have the pitching sliders fine, but the higher Ks suggest that contact is either too low or something to do with break influence and any change to the success and strike zone sliders is best avoided otherwise BBs go up or down again. What are your pitching sliders at the moment?

I started a new franchise with the cubs and here are my results...

Cubs 6-1 record (lost the last game)
Cubs 6 pirates 5 (hits 9-8, hrs 1-2, k's 12-10, bb's 2-3)
Cubs 10 pirates 3 (hits 12-10, hrs 2-0, k's 6-8, bb's 6-3)
Cubs 2 pirates 0 (hits 7-4, hrs 0-0 k's 14-9, bb's 4-3)
Cubs 3 diamondbacks 1 (hits 10-5, hrs 0-1, k's 17-10, bb's 1-4)
Cubs 2 diamondbacks 1 (hits 6-9, hrs 1-0, k's 7-6, bb's 3-0)
Cubs 8 diamondbacks 4 (hits 16-14, hr's 2-0, k's 4-9, bb's 1-3)
Cubs 7 Brewers 8 (hits 19-15, hr's 4-2, k's 8-7, bb's 2-1)

I went with 50-55-0-0 on the pitching sliders, with speed @ 60, hitting at 35/75. all of my other sliders remain unchanged. I'm seeing a good variety of games, with some hitfests. 15 homers in 7 games might be a bit much, but i may need to give this a few more games. the K's are my biggest issues, I'm averaging something like 18 strikeouts per game, or 9 per team. I don't know what the MLB average is, but I doubt that it's 18 per game. so, I guess moving the contact slider up is the only other option, though the next game between the cubs/brewers may even be worse than the 34 hit monstrosity above.