Com vs Com sliders

[Lupus11]

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looking forward to seeing your results, and I have lowered my contact down to 35, I was still seeing way too many hits. your pitch speed is a bit high, IMO, but it shouldn't really matter to the CPU. for my taste, too many homers are going to the opposite field, so I was thinking of actually lowering that slider...I will be posting my results from a couple games tonight.

Interesting what you say about pitch speed. Does it make a difference for CPU vs CPU? At the moment the only stat that is a little off is the number of Ks, ideally the average would be about 7.1 per team per game rather than the 9.1 that I'm seeing. I'll drop pitch speed by 5 from the third game of each series or for the LCS, unless you'd care to try a few games with a lower pitch speed, and see if there is an change.

[Lupus11]

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Ok, the latest game was a 2-1 victory for the Giants over the Braves to level th series at 1-1. The Braves managed 5 hits: 4 singles and 1 triple. The Giants had 6 hits: 5 singles and 1 double. Each team had 2 BBs, and the Giants were 0/1 in steal attempts. All in all a nice defensive battle, but too many Ks: Braves had 12, Giants had 13.

I've decided to make a few tweaks for the next game (Yankees at Rangers) in an effort to cut the Ks. I'm dropping pitch speed to 75, pitch success to 55, while increasing outfielder speed to 55 and infielder speed to 65. Hopefully this will cut the Ks, while the increase in fielder speeds should keep the offensive numbers close to how they have been. The decrease in pitch success may increase BBs, but they have been a little below average to this point. I'll run these new sliders through to the end of the LDS, and then see how they match up.

After seven games the teams had been averaging 3.64 runs each per game on 8.21 hits, batting average of .247 with 2.21 BBs per game. The only problem was Ks being a little high: 9.57 each team per game, about 2 Ks too high. There 10 HRs in the 7 games. There was one shutout (plus the 'lost' game), and four occasions when teams were held to 1 run (inc. Texas in its 1-0 win over NYY). Runs, hits and batting average worked out at just about average for MLB, BBs just below average. I will get at least 6 games with these changes, if it turns into a scoring/hitting fest then I'll just put up with high Ks and low-ish BBs and go back to the original sliders. It's a shame that the sliders can only be tweaked in increments of 5 rather than 1 as in NBA 2K11. But all in all, pleased with the game, and if I only end up with one gripe because Ks are 2 too many on average, then ok.

Ok, Yankees and Rangers, game two...

[johnriii]

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lupus11,

those stats look pretty good, not enough homers for my taste, but overall, they look good. I'm in the middle of a game KC VS SEA and the mariners jumped out to a 4-0 lead in the first inning on 4 hits and 3 walks, including a homer by their catcher to deep center. now in the top of the sixth, the score is still 4-0. mariners have 9 hits, royals have 4. I will post final results after its over. contact @ 35 I believe is good, but depending on the pitchers, the game can still be a slugfest, even without the hr's. if I raise power anymore, even by five, I'm afraid we'll have batting practice...I will give it a couple more games before I take that plunge.

[Lupus11]

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johnriii,

The balance between hits and Ks seems to be the biggest problem. Homers were low to ok with those sliders: 10 HRs in seven games equals 0.7 HRs each team per game. Current MLB season has the Yankees hitting 1.9 per game, Twins are worst at 0.4 per game. Possibly raising power to 80 while reducing contact to 30 give homers a little boost keeping hits in the right range.

Ok, game two Rangers-Yankees played using the latest tweaks, interesting start. I happened to check the pitch counts for the first seven games under my original sliders, the average number of pitches per team each game was 123.6. I found this article http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7533 which gives the average number of pitches in the MLB at 146. Ok, after 9 innings the Rangers had thrown 149, the Yankees 146! There was a better feel and pace to the game, so reducing pitch success to 55 seems to have worked. The Yankees won the game 6-5 after 10 innings, both teams finishing with 15 hits and 1 error. The hit count after 9 innings was NYY 13-12 Texas so a little higher, but each team had one drop in the outfield (sometihng I haven't seen often in this game), so error free baseball would have the count at 12-11 after 9 full innings, not dramatically more than in some of the other games. Cincy had 11 and 13 vs Philly, the Braves and Giants each had 10 in game one, while Boston had 11 and 8 vs. the Twins. The Yankees have always been one of the better hitting teams on any sliders I have tried, so we'll see how we go. After nine innings the Yankees were hitting .333, Texas .300, both increased slightly during the extra inning. Nine innings saw the Yankees 0/1 on steal attempts, they finished 1/3 overall, the Rangers were 1/1 after nine and in total. So, the hits increased slightly with the adjusted sliders, but not worryingly so. The best news was the number of Ks reduced to a more realistic figure, 7 for each team, with Texas getting one of theirs in the extra inning. BBs were NYY 4-3 Texas. It was by far the best game to watch, I'd have preferred 3 or 4 hits fewer per team and maybe a couple of homers, but not bad. It's promising, but I'll play out the rest of the LDS with these. I'm not sure if reducing pitch speed affects the CPU vs CPU but pitch success at 55 seems to have pitch counts more realistic. No HRs in this game, so I think power at 80 might be the way to, possibly reducing contact to 30 or increasing infielder speed by 5. I think we're getting as close as we will be able to get: hits between 7-10, Ks 5-9, runs 3-6, about 90% of the time would be ideal. Of course the teams I am using are contenders, it might be worth trying a few more obvious mismatches at some point. The sliders may get us close, but I guess there's always the 'pleasure' of tweaking individual player stats, wouldn't that be 'fun'? ;-)

Currently watching Philly at Cincy, top of the 5th, Philly leading 2-1, 3 hits and 4Ks each, Philly has 2 SBs. Looking ok...so far!

[Lupus11]

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Ok, Phillies and Reds have completed game 3. My fears that the new sliders would lead to hit fests didn't come to pass. Philly wins 3-1 on 8 hits to 3. Error count Philly 1-0 Cincy.

SBs: Phillies were 3/3, Reds 0/0.
Ks : Phillies 8, Reds 6
BBs: Phillies 2, Reds 3
Avg: Phillies .242, Reds .100
Pitch count: Phillies 98, Reds 105

These stats are much closer to how I imagined these two would play. Reds lead series 2-1. No homers, but it was a pitching duel, I'm tempted to increase power to 80, but I'll hold off for remainder of LCS. The next game is Boston and Minnesota, the Red Sox have hit 4 HRs in two games, so hopefully they will clear the wall...none so far with power at 75 with these sliders in two games.

As I clicked to post this, Jason Kubel just homered off Josh Beckett in the bottom of the 1st!!!

[Lupus11]

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As I clicked to post this, Jason Kubel just homered off Josh Beckett in the bottom of the 1st!!!

Boston win the series 3-0 with a 6-3 victory. The game was tied at 3-3 after just two innings.

Hits : Red Sox 10, Twins 11
Ks : Red Sox 4, Twins 7
BBs : Red Sox 2, Twins 6
SBs : Red Sox 2/2, Twins 0/0
Avg : Red Sox .285, Twins .323
Pitch count: Red Sox 119, Twins 152
Twins had one error

Good game, started with 3 homers in first two innings. Red Sox twice left bases loaded, second time man out caught by wall. Hit numbers on high end, but Boston were averaging 9.5 on old sliders, no reason for concern yet. Ks much lower, BBs quite high, but so far averaging within realistic range over three games on these sliders. Boston had 7 singles, 1 double, 1 treble; Twins had 9 singles. Saltalamacchia homered for Boston, Kubel and Thome for Minnesota.

After three games with these sliders, hits are high but still averaging less than 10 per team, while runs Ks and batting averages right in the middle of current MLB ranges. I'm happy with these sliders so far, would prefer hits down a touch without boosting pitching numbers. Infielder speed seems to be the way to cut down too many groundball hits. Number of homers may be only major issue to resolve, but there have been two more in 5 innings of next game already. Everything else is within current MLB ranges, at worst towards the high end for hits and BBs.

[Lupus11]

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Ok, last one for today.

Reds win series 3-1 with a 5-0 victory over Phillies.

Hits : Phillies 8, Reds 10
Ks : Phillies 9, Reds 4
BBs : Phillies 1, Reds 1
SBs : Phillies 0/1, Reds 0/0
Avg : Phillies .266, Reds .322
Pitch count : Phillies 100, Reds 107
No errors

Another good defensive matchup between these two. Hits quite high, but Reds had been averaging 12 with old sliders and Phillies 7.5 in those two games. Ks good again, and BBs low. BBs with these new sliders are now right in the middle of current MLB season range after four games. Ks are now 6.37 per team per game, again in the middle of range for MLB stats. Phillies managed 8 singles, Reds had 6 singles and 1 double.

And the good news is there were 3 homers for the Reds, Stubbs hit 2 of them and Votto had the other. That's three in each of the last two games with these sliders, after zero in the first two games. On average there are 2 homers per game (both teams combined) in MLB, so we'll see how this goes, looks promising. Braves and Giants are tied 1-1, and the Rangers and Yankees are also 1-1. So, at least four more games in the LDS, so should have a decent idea of how these sliders work out. Hits still towards the top end of the MLB range, averaging about 1 hit per team more than the old sliders, but that is not too bad.

[johnriii]

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Ok, last one for today.

Reds win series 3-1 with a 5-0 victory over Phillies.

Hits : Phillies 8, Reds 10
Ks : Phillies 9, Reds 4
BBs : Phillies 1, Reds 1
SBs : Phillies 0/1, Reds 0/0
Avg : Phillies .266, Reds .322
Pitch count : Phillies 100, Reds 107
No errors

Another good defensive matchup between these two. Hits quite high, but Reds had been averaging 12 with old sliders and Phillies 7.5 in those two games. Ks good again, and BBs low. BBs with these new sliders are now right in the middle of current MLB season range after four games. Ks are now 6.37 per team per game, again in the middle of range for MLB stats. Phillies managed 8 singles, Reds had 6 singles and 1 double.

And the good news is there were 3 homers for the Reds, Stubbs hit 2 of them and Votto had the other. That's three in each of the last two games with these sliders, after zero in the first two games. On average there are 2 homers per game (both teams combined) in MLB, so we'll see how this goes, looks promising. Braves and Giants are tied 1-1, and the Rangers and Yankees are also 1-1. So, at least four more games in the LDS, so should have a decent idea of how these sliders work out. Hits still towards the top end of the MLB range, averaging about 1 hit per team more than the old sliders, but that is not too bad.

I like the variety of games you're getting.later tonight, I'm going to post the game from last night, then the one I'm saving right now. with the two rookie phenoms, the Royals are 8-5.

[johnriii]

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kc 6 sea 4
hits kc 9 sea 11
HR kc 1 sea 0
SO kc 12 sea 5
BB KC 2 SEA 5

all hits were singles other than the homer by Alex Gordon. SO's a bit high, but some unknown royals reliever had 7 in 3.1 innings of work. J. Jeffress is his name. anyway, I'm OK with the stats that came out of this game. 3 errors between the teams as well.

KC 5 SEA 1
hits KC 11 SEA 5
HR KC 2 SEA
so KC 11 SEA 5
BB KC 3 SEA 2
0 ERRORS

Billy butler went yard in the first inning, and E. Hosmer got one in the third. Soria struck out 4 of 5 batters faced, so I won't freak over double digit strikeouts. I did raise power to 80, and didn't get the homerfest that I thought would come, especially since butler went deep early. Sea actually went to the warning track on four different fly balls, so I guess it could have been worse. I'm leaving the sliders alone for the next four games to see what happens, I think I may be close.....

[Lupus11]

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kc 6 sea 4
hits kc 9 sea 11
HR kc 1 sea 0
SO kc 12 sea 5
BB KC 2 SEA 5

all hits were singles other than the homer by Alex Gordon. SO's a bit high, but some unknown royals reliever had 7 in 3.1 innings of work. J. Jeffress is his name. anyway, I'm OK with the stats that came out of this game. 3 errors between the teams as well.

KC 5 SEA 1
hits KC 11 SEA 5
HR KC 2 SEA
so KC 11 SEA 5
BB KC 3 SEA 2
0 ERRORS

Billy butler went yard in the first inning, and E. Hosmer got one in the third. Soria struck out 4 of 5 batters faced, so I won't freak over double digit strikeouts. I did raise power to 80, and didn't get the homerfest that I thought would come, especially since butler went deep early. Sea actually went to the warning track on four different fly balls, so I guess it could have been worse. I'm leaving the sliders alone for the next four games to see what happens, I think I may be close.....

Nice stats, is this with power at 80? I wonder if that may account for the higher strikeouts?

[Lupus11]

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Latest game was another tight defensive battle in the NL.

Braves beat Giants 3-2 to go up in the series (2-1).

Hits : Giants 10, Braves 4
Ks : Giants 10, Braves 4
BBs : Giants 4, Braves 5
SBs : Giants 0/0, Braves 0/1
Avg : Giants .303, Braves .142
Pitch Count : Giants 104, Braves 118
Each team had 1 error

Giants took a 2-1 lead into bottom of 7th, Baumgarner had dominated, but Gonzalez doubled and the Hinske hit a 2 out homer to give the Braves the lead. Good defensive matchup. Giants had 8 singles, 1 double and 1 triple; Braves just 1 single, 2 doubles and the HR. That's 7 homers in the last 3 games. I'm happy with these sliders, only thing that needs watching is the number of homers: 1.9-2.1 per game both teams combined would be the range for MLB over last few seasons. Need to remember that these playoff teams are all contenders so they have stronger pitching, which should keep the big bats reasonably quiet...just not too quiet!

Anyway, Rangers and Yankees due up, so should see a few more runs and hits...

[Lupus11]

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Ok, Rangers beat the Yankees 7-4 to go 2-1 in the series.

Hits : Rangers 12, Yankees 12
Ks : Rangers 8, Yankees 7
BBs : Rangers 3, Yankees 5
SBs : Rangers 2/2, Yankees 0/0
Avg : Rangers .307, Yankees .324
Pitch Count : Rangers 130, Yankees 167
Rangers had 1 error

Game scoreless until 4th, Rangers score 3 runs and repeat the trick in the 5th. Rangers led 7-1 after 7, Yankees rallied, but A-Rod struck out looking with men on 1st and 2nd and 2 outs in bottom of 9th. Rangers had 9 singles, 1 double and 1 triple; Yankees had 10 singles, 1 triple. Cruz homered for Rangers, Cano homered for Yankees.

[Lupus11]

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Braves win series in four games with 3-0 victory over Giants.

Hits : Giants 8, Braves 6
Ks : Giants 8, Braves 10
BBs : Giants 6, Braves 2
SBs : Giants 0/0, Braves 0/0
Avg : Giants .235, Braves .222
Pitch Count : Giants 111, Braves 114
No errors

Braves scored runs in 1st, 4th and 8th innings. Jurrjens pitched 7 inns for Braves: 6 hits, 1 walk and 7 Ks. Giants had just 8 singles; Braves only 4 singles, but 2 doubles. Nice pitching duel. Braves to meet Reds in NLCS...should be low scoring!

[Lupus11]

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It's bye-bye Yankees, Rangers win game four 4-3.

Hits : Rangers 12, Yankees 7
Ks : Rangers 9, Yankees 7
BBs : Rangers 6, Yankees 4
SBs : Rangers 1/2, Yankees 1/2
Avg : Rangers .333, Yankees .218
Pitch Count : Rangers 144, Yankees 152
No errors

Rangers score 4 runs in the 2nd, Yankees responded with 2 in the 3rd. Once again Yankees left men on bases in 9th inning. Rangers had 10 singles and 1 double; Yankees only 4 singles with 1 double. Cruz homered again for Texas; Jeter hit a 2 run homer, and Teixeira went yard for the Yankees. Boston and Texas in the ALCS...should be plenty of hits.

[Lupus11]

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One thing that I've been wondering about is what if any role 'pitch speed' plays in CPU vs CPU games. I've had it around 75-80 in every slider set I've used, for no reason other than the fact that is how everyone seems to put it. I'm not convinced it plays a role at all, but I wondered if it affected where home runs were hit: I seem to be seeing rightys homering to right or right-center, and leftys hitting homers to left or left-center. Maybe it was my imagination, but I couldn't remember seeing anything going other than opposite. So after the last game I dropped pitch speed to 50 and ran game between the Royals and Indians. I feared that pitch speed might actually have an effect and a hit fest would occur, especially with teams with weaker pitching. Carmona was awful, seemed to be unable to locate the zone, walked and hit batters, walked a batter with bases loaded, and Matt Treanor stepped up and smashed a grand slam...deep over left! Ok, so maybe pitch speed affects where the homers go, but I had the sickening feeling that the slider set was not good for weaker pitching staffs. Royals led 6-0 after the 1st!! After two innings Royals led 6-1, but had given up 3 BBs to the Indians 5 BBs!! Fear not, the pitchers settled down (Carmona settled down on the bench!), Davies pitched well for Royals, and game eventually finished 6-2, with the stats all realistic for MLB. Treanor's homer was the main point of interest, first one I can clearly remember being hit opposite. So, I'll drop pitch speed to 50 for the LCS; pitch speed doesn't affect the game visually on CPU vs CPU. Hopefully a few more homers will be going opposite to opposite!