Too Many "Pedro Martinez" Type Changeups?

[Keirik]

I play on All Star, zone pci off button hitting. I almost always only use x to hit as i tuned tje sliders for more power since i personally prefer a one button type of batting.

What i notice though is far too many pitchers have devastating changeups. I feel that its a bit unrealistic. Only elite pitchers really have great changeups like this. Am i alone in this? Any tips? Any solution? Id up pitch speed but i dont think that sould help without also just speeding up fastballs too much as well.

[RogueHominid]

Re: Too Many "Pedro Martinez" Type Changeups?

One issue that people have noted relates to pitch speed differential. Too many pitchers in The Show have a larger gap between their FB and their CH than they have in real life, making the pitch more effective than it should be irrespective of movement.

The other issue, which I do see, is that even average pitchers often have a CH that appears to fall off a table, beginning at the belt and ending way out of the zone. Some people have that pitch, but most don't get that much break that late in the pitch's path.

With regard to movement, I know the new pitch trajectories represent a move toward more realistic representation of pitch movement. Hopefully in the future this becomes even more rigorous and realistic.

[Baseball Purist]

Re: Too Many "Pedro Martinez" Type Changeups?

One issue that people have noted relates to pitch speed differential. Too many pitchers in The Show have a larger gap between their FB and their CH than they have in real life, making the pitch more effective than it should be irrespective of movement.

The other issue, which I do see, is that even average pitchers often have a CH that appears to fall off a table, beginning at the belt and ending way out of the zone. Some people have that pitch, but most don't get that much break that late in the pitch's path.

With regard to movement, I know the new pitch trajectories represent a move toward more realistic representation of pitch movement. Hopefully in the future this becomes even more rigorous and realistic.

Agree 100%. I wonder if the speed differential is being addressed in a patch. I would agree that far too many pitchers in the game have devastating movement on their off-speed pitches. I love how the movement was implemented, just too many pitchers in the game have HOF offspeed stuff.

[Keirik]

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Exactly right, both of you two. Glad im not the only one seeing it. It just takes a tiny bit away when almost every pitcher that has a changeup in their repitore have a 20 mph difference and disguise the pitch perfectly.

[jcar0725]

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I've noticed it too. I actually have to look for the change up in order to hit it, and that's even for average pitchers.

[kehlis]

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Only elite pitchers really have great changeups like this. Am i alone in this?

I very much disagree with this statement.

Often times the best pitch mediocre pitchers have is their changeup.

As an example. Dallas Braden made it in the Majors as long as he did because his changeup was so devastating.

The rest of his pitches were nothing but mediocre which is why he is no longer pitching.


Pedro's changeup was as devastating as it was because of how fantastic his other stuff was.

[Keirik]

Re: Too Many "Pedro Martinez" Type Changeups?

I very much disagree with this statement.

Often times the best pitch mediocre pitchers have is their changeup.

As an example. Dallas Braden made it in the Majors as long as he did because his changeup was so devastating.

The rest of his pitches were nothing but mediocre which is why he is no longer pitching.


Pedro's changeup was as devastating as it was because of how fantastic his other stuff was.

Pedros changeup was devastating because it looked like his fastball coming out but was much slower and dropped off the table, like every pitcher in this game. Agree to disagree, but pedro had a fantastic change. It wasnt just because his other pitches were good.

[kehlis]

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Pedros changeup was devastating because it looked like his fastball coming out but was much slower and dropped off the table, like every pitcher in this game. Agree to disagree, but pedro had a fantastic change. It wasnt just because his other pitches were good.

I'll agree to disagree as well but look at any pitchers fastball/change. The change is effective because it does just that, looks like a fastball and then drops off.

I'm not diminishing Pedro's was superior to most, but I'm not seeing that difference in the game (other the things already mentioned) nor would I agree that you have to be an elite pitcher to have an elite changeup.

That's probably a discussion for a different forum though lol.

[jcar0725]

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A lot of pitchers that throw 95 mph have an average change. Pedro's change was out of this world. A pitcher in the show that throws high heat but has an average change, the change shouldn't look like Pedro's.

[kehlis]

Re: Too Many "Pedro Martinez" Type Changeups?

A lot of pitchers that throw 95 mph have an average change. Pedro's change was out of this world. A pitcher in the show that throws high heat but has an average change, the change shouldn't look like Pedro's.

Pedro's change was particularly devastating because not only did it drop but it also moved into a right handed batter due to his arm slot.

That's hard to duplicate but per the point of the thread I haven't seen any changes that have any vertical movement in addition to the drop.

[DJ]

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Although it's improved the past two years, the biggest issue with changeups for me, more than the movement, is the speed differential. Pedro Martinez is an excellent example. His fastball-changeup differential irl was 16-18 mph. Most pitchers are 8-10 mph.

In MLB The Show, you'll see this number somewhere between the two, trending more towards Pedro's average speed differential. To me that's not realistic for what you see across MLB.

The OSFM with pitch edits usually takes care of this issue but the default SCEA rosters have had this discrepancy for years.

[Keirik]

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I'll agree to disagree as well but look at any pitchers fastball/change. The change is effective because it does just that, looks like a fastball and then drops off.

I'm not diminishing Pedro's was superior to most, but I'm not seeing that difference in the game (other the things already mentioned) nor would I agree that you have to be an elite pitcher to have an elite changeup.

That's probably a discussion for a different forum though lol.

Well, we agree in theory, but i think we disagree that in this game, I feel there is no difference between a number 5 starters change/fastball difference and a number 1 starter's change/fastball. That's my issue. I haven't noticed one pitcher who didnt have the same drop/change of speed from each other when using the change. It just needs improvement IMO.

[md3883]

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I'd agree but I think the issue is even worse for pitchers with an average fastball (87-90 mph). In this game they throw that with like a 71mph change and curve and an 86 mph slider. There's no one in the MLB throwing pitches like that.

[Keirik]

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I'd agree but I think the issue is even worse for pitchers with an average fastball (87-90 mph). In this game they throw that with like a 71mph change and curve and an 86 mph slider. There's no one in the MLB throwing pitches like that.

I agree with that except that i find rhe curve to be fairly easy to pick up after the release so its easier to wait on the pitch.

[Speedy]

Re: Too Many "Pedro Martinez" Type Changeups?

Although it's improved the past two years, the biggest issue with changeups for me, more than the movement, is the speed differential. Pedro Martinez is an excellent example. His fastball-changeup differential irl was 16-18 mph. Most pitchers are 8-10 mph.

In MLB The Show, you'll see this number somewhere between the two, trending more towards Pedro's average speed differential. To me that's not realistic for what you see across MLB.

The OSFM with pitch edits usually takes care of this issue but the default SCEA rosters have had this discrepancy for years.

My issue is both the speed and break...in real life, pitchers with average to bad changeups do telegraph the pitch much more by slowing down their arm action. I don't know it could be implemented but that's a factor I'd like to see because that's the mark of a true great changeup...how much the arm action resembles the fastball's.