Were we ever told why Real-Time Presentation was removed?

[canes21]

As the title indicates, were we ever told why the completely real-time presentation was removed? Either I am misremembering or we used to be able to watch the entire game with no skip forwards if we never pressed any button between pitches.

Now these days, when using the slowest presentation style it still randomly will skip ahead immediately to the next pitch, it sometimes skips the batter walk-ups, it's not 100% real-time anymore. It will be real-time for a period of time, but then the game will just decide when it wants to skip forward.

I'm someone who enjoys never skipping anything unless it is poor quality (Madden 21 intros and practically all Madden 21 presentation). When we had real-time presentation I loved relaxing and letting the game unfold slowly like a real baseball game. When I play NBA 2k21 I let the game play out in its entirety and never skip forward at all.

I would rather see quirks with the real-time presentation over having it jarringly skip forward on its own. For example, I am more immersed in NBA 2k21 even when there is a goof in the presentation with clipping, or someone walking through the camera than I am when MLB The Show immediately skips to the next pitch before the foul ball even had a chance to land. If it was removed due to quirkiness I don't agree with the move. It is similar to referees in Madden. They weren't perfect, but it was still much better when they were on the field than it is now that they are completely gone. They didn't throw flags in real-time or act like real humans 100% of the time, but seeing them there brought the game to life more than not having them at all.

[Blzer]

Re: Were we ever told why Real-Time Presentation was removed?

Telemetry stated people X through things, so they made the decision for everyone and said that they'll help us by removing it. I'm sure there are other things that help them in the end as well regarding loading items and such, but they're justifying it with the telemetry.

[boxers]

Re: Were we ever told why Real-Time Presentation was removed?

Because gen z are impatient with short attention spans, it’s why we have quick counts and a other things they have put it to cut time off

So unnecessary. I'm not part of Gen z and I neither have the time nor the desire to play 162 games taking over 90 mins to each to complete. It was a good option to add that didn't change the core game for those who liked it the old way. I think you can still play without quick counts, so why complain about something that doesn't affect you?

As for OP's question, not sure about the answer but Blzer's comment makes sense. Even on the faster modes, there's some unnecessary skipping and random selection of when to display batter walk-up stats that wasn't in versions prior to last year's game -- tldr could also be a presentation glitch from the new format they introduced last year.

[capa]

Re: Were we ever told why Real-Time Presentation was removed?

if they were xing through the RT presentation anyway why remove it? They still x through anything that is not the next pitch. Even abbreviated cut scenes.

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[Archie56]

Re: Were we ever told why Real-Time Presentation was removed?

Because gen z are impatient with short attention spans, it’s why we have quick counts and a other things they have put it to cut time off

It has nothing to do with gen z. I'm 41 years old with a wife and 3 year old and I don't always have the time to sit there and play full games. Quick counts help shorten the games so I can get a few in. It gives people options. Now as far as RTP, I still wish we had that. I know they said telemetry shows people X through it more often than not, but still wish we had the option to watch everything play out.

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[mlblover15]

Re: Were we ever told why Real-Time Presentation was removed?

could it also be because they brought in the broadcast package?

[canes21]

Re: Were we ever told why Real-Time Presentation was removed?

Telemetry stated people X through things, so they made the decision for everyone and said that they'll help us by removing it. I'm sure there are other things that help them in the end as well regarding loading items and such, but they're justifying it with the telemetry.

I don't think I'll ever understand the idea behind changing something like this when you already offer the different options. I feel too many companies get too focused on the numbers and never think of why the numbers are what they are and what else can change.

If this is truly why they made the change, why not have the default presentation style be one of the quicker options and have those that want to take it all in switch to real-time? Let people skip when they want.

It reminds me of the few times EA referenced their telemetry data. They said people button mashed through a lot of their opening presentation so they streamlined it all and even skip the coin toss now. Their presentation has always been their weakest point. I'm a presentation nut who will watch it all and I even skip it in Madden because it is so bad, not because I hate presentation.

They also referenced one year how the vast majority of franchise players never got past year 1 or year 2. They seemed to take this as franchise was a dying mode and their attention to that mode over the years has practically confirmed that. They looked at the data completely wrong. Again, I'm a franchise only player for the most part and I struggled to get past year 1 in Madden because the mode was so poorly done and not deep at all.

I think these days in all industries, not just gaming, there is an over-reliance on analytics. Companies get sucked into using numbers to drive their direction, but numbers do not always tell the whole story. I work with numbers every day. That's my job. Numbers lie.

If SCEA decided to speed up presentation for everyone despite having options already because their analytics showed people skipped through a chunk of it, then shame on them. That was not the best decision to make, in my opinion. Like I said before, make the default option one of the quicker options and just leave the real-time as it was as a 100% real-time presentation style. The current style we have now of 80% real-time is too jarring at times and it hurts the game.

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[Funkycorm]

Re: Were we ever told why Real-Time Presentation was removed?

Because gen z are impatient with short attention spans, it’s why we have quick counts and a other things they have put it to cut time off

I am sorry but this comment is out of line. Not everyone plays the game the same way. And you are blaming an entire age group when there is more to it.

I am 40 years old, married with 2 kids, work 45-50 hours a week (in a job I love and moved my family for by the way), and am actively involved with my 2 boy's scout troops so my time is valuable to me.

I personally do not play quick counts and I probably have contributed quite a bit to hitting x to pass everything but that doesn't mean I am happy that it is gone or changed for the worse.

I think the option to have real time broadcast presentation should still be there. I play on hybrid and don't have walk-ups and everything else but I am not judging those that want it. It plays a little faster for me. If someone wants to play that way, they should be able to without judgement one way or the other.

Personally I am thrilled that we have the save and close game in progress so I can come back later. I am upset y2y saves are gone but the save mid game is also a huge thing for me.

[SmashMan]

Re: Were we ever told why Real-Time Presentation was removed?

Wasn’t it only added after MLB2K had it as one of their presentation points one year? If so (obviously I could be misremembering), maybe without a competitor it’s just not something that SDS was interested in having in their game, analytics or not?

[BlueSkies77]

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Ok I just realized what this topic was about. I find it jarring as well and I don’t understand why they don’t give the option to have this feature on or off. I don’t mind if a game is 2 hours long that’s what in game save is for.

And I got to say it’s really cheesy how they only show a batters full cutscene if they are a “star player” like Bryce Harper but not many other hitters get that same cutscene treatment. Really effing cheesy and eye roll inducing.

[Caulfield]

Re: Were we ever told why Real-Time Presentation was removed?

my guess is with so many new animations added every year, the Studio needed the memory space. hopefully the next-gens will bring a return to form

[KnightTemplar]

Re: Were we ever told why Real-Time Presentation was removed?

Because gen z are impatient with short attention spans, it’s why we have quick counts and a other things they have put it to cut time off

I simply could not play the game without quick counts. 74 years old.

[Gosens6]

Re: Were we ever told why Real-Time Presentation was removed?

Because gen z are impatient with short attention spans, it’s why we have quick counts and a other things they have put it to cut time off

What does this even mean? I’m 32 years old with a full time job, a wife and a son. I don’t have time to play a full, 90 minute game and make any progress in my franchise. I’m thankful to SDS for being able to get through a game quick in a variety of different ways.

Being able to quick manage a few innings whenever I feel like is a godsend


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[Caulfield]

Re: Were we ever told why Real-Time Presentation was removed?

oh man I love me some quick counts. I usually get 3 seasons of ''every pitch played, every full at-bat played'' but QC allows me to get 3 more additional seasons in as well also too

[ninertravel]

Re: Were we ever told why Real-Time Presentation was removed?

It has nothing to do with gen z. I'm 41 years old with a wife and 3 year old and I don't always have the time to sit there and play full games. Quick counts help shorten the games so I can get a few in. It gives people options. Now as far as RTP, I still wish we had that. I know they said telemetry shows people X through it more often than not, but still wish we had the option to watch everything play out.

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Almost 40 with 2 kids myself.. and work 70 hours. I still manage 2 games a night. quick counts is not baseball, it's to arcade like. you can't even feel the at bat or get into rhythm it defeats the purpose of what baseball is. it effects the way the game is played realistically and with sliders. it makes it unbalanced. that's how I feel about it though.

every year they keep finding something to cut back on with time. quick counts now quick manage (which you might as well use if you want to cut time down) or jump into a moment in a season.

Now with presentation you have to hit "L2" which I forget 9 times out of 10, to see the lineups when it should be coming up itself. yet you can't skip "flat out Hedi" every time she comes on. There is no consistency here at all.

They will keep cutting down things until we can finish a game in 30 mins.

maybe I was out of line a bit.. but yes the gen z fornite COD generation who just want action action action mash X are more who I am thinking of. I didn't wanna dare say a certain mode on this game......