Were we ever told why Real-Time Presentation was removed?

[BlueSkies77]

Re: Were we ever told why Real-Time Presentation was removed?

Almost 40 with 2 kids myself.. and work 70 hours. I still manage 2 games a night. quick counts is not baseball, it's to arcade like. you can't even feel the at bat or get into rhythm it defeats the purpose of what baseball is. it effects the way the game is played realistically and with sliders. it makes it unbalanced. that's how I feel about it though.

every year they keep finding something to cut back on with time. quick counts now quick manage (which you might as well use if you want to cut time down) or jump into a moment in a season.

Now with presentation you have to hit "L2" which I forget 9 times out of 10, to see the lineups when it should be coming up itself. yet you can't skip "flat out Hedi" every time she comes on. There is no consistency here at all.

They will keep cutting down things until we can finish a game in 30 mins.

maybe I was out of line a bit.. but yes the gen z fornite COD generation who just want action action action mash X are more who I am thinking of. I didn't wanna dare say a certain mode on this game......

I’ve noticed in 20 that the time between pitches when the cpu is pitching was really reduced. I sometimes can’t even get a practice swing in because the cpu goes into their windup so fast.

[beau21]

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my guess is with so many new animations added every year, the Studio needed the memory space. hopefully the next-gens will bring a return to form

That would be a very welcome (re)addition.


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[Archie56]

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Almost 40 with 2 kids myself.. and work 70 hours. I still manage 2 games a night. quick counts is not baseball, it's to arcade like. you can't even feel the at bat or get into rhythm it defeats the purpose of what baseball is. it effects the way the game is played realistically and with sliders. it makes it unbalanced. that's how I feel about it though.

every year they keep finding something to cut back on with time. quick counts now quick manage (which you might as well use if you want to cut time down) or jump into a moment in a season.

Now with presentation you have to hit "L2" which I forget 9 times out of 10, to see the lineups when it should be coming up itself. yet you can't skip "flat out Hedi" every time she comes on. There is no consistency here at all.

They will keep cutting down things until we can finish a game in 30 mins.

maybe I was out of line a bit.. but yes the gen z fornite COD generation who just want action action action mash X are more who I am thinking of. I didn't wanna dare say a certain mode on this game......

Just bc you don't like quick counts doesn't mean it was a bad addition to the game. And since it's optional, who gives a crap if it's in there or not. It's obviously not affecting you and how you play the game since it's not something you use.

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[ninertravel]

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Just bc you don't like quick counts doesn't mean it was a bad addition to the game. And since it's optional, who gives a crap if it's in there or not. It's obviously not affecting you and how you play the game since it's not something you use.

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Here we go again one of those 'it's not effecting you so why does it bother you'

It does effect me actually and others because the focus has been working on cutting time off games making it mainstream rather then other things.. people don't get this at all and have the attitude of 'who cares don't play it like that'

[canes21]

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I don't hate QC and tried it in the past for a long time before making a real decision on it. It simply isn't for me. I'd rather play less games, but with every pitch of an AB than play with QC, but that's simply how I am. However, QC and the removal of true real-time presentation plus other additions like MtO show what SCEA prioritizes right now. It's not the crowd that wants a slow, drawn out game.

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[KnightTemplar]

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Here we go again one of those 'it's not effecting you so why does it bother you'

It does effect me actually and others because the focus has been working on cutting time off games making it mainstream rather then other things.. people don't get this at all and have the attitude of 'who cares don't play it like that'

Well, it does take quite a bit of time to play every pitch. You’re not saying it should be like “real” baseball and take 3 hours to play a game, are you? They’d lose me as a gamer if it was like that, and if they did have to cut some corners, and we really don’t know why, i’m all for it.

[ninertravel]

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Well, it does take quite a bit of time to play every pitch. You’re not saying it should be like “real” baseball and take 3 hours to play a game, are you? They’d lose me as a gamer if it was like that, and if they did have to cut some corners, and we really don’t know why, i’m all for it.

no if I suggested that we would need commercial breaks with real ads

It takes me a hour to finish a game and that is fine it's in fact quicker to finish a game then madden (unless you are only playing 5 min quarters)

I just can't take an At Bat with a 3-2 count. or 3-1 or 0-2 it's just not baseball to me. and I think it is harder to draw a walk that way. it actually makes you more lazy of a player because you feel more swing happy. then trying to draw a walk or get a feel for the at bat.

yes I know it is 'optional' but every year they keep focusing on cutting down the game rather then focusing on other things. and 'streamlining' the game for the casual player.... people say it isn't affecting me. but eventually it does like now making us Hit L2 for the line-up screen which as I said before 9 outs of of 10 we forget. it should just show up on the screen like it used to. but they slowly are taking away more presentation away from the other (now we also only have 2 themes we used to have 3) so I hate the 'who cares it's not affecting you' replies' they can go away. it's like when people say 'who cares about mobile games don't play them if you don't like them' those people miss the point completely.

[Caulfield]

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Here we go again one of those 'it's not effecting you so why does it bother you'

It does effect me actually and others because the focus has been working on cutting time off games making it mainstream rather then other things.. people don't get this at all and have the attitude of 'who cares don't play it like that'

and conversely, the things you like that others don't, affects them negatively. if Sony only worked on the things everyone liked and agreed on, Show 06 would have been the Studios first, and last, effort.
this is like saying I don't like Sony wasting resources on movies and music because it negatively impacts my HR Derby experience

[countryboy]

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Here we go again one of those 'it's not effecting you so why does it bother you'

It does effect me actually and others because the focus has been working on cutting time off games making it mainstream rather then other things.. people don't get this at all and have the attitude of 'who cares don't play it like that'

You really need to let go of the everyone should do/play as I do attitude

Its a ****ing video game. People all have different ways of playing the game and enjoying it. If you're not mature or civil enough to deal with that, then maybe a video game forum with a melting pot of different ideas of what is deemed fun and enjoyable isn't for you.

[Archie56]

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Here we go again one of those 'it's not effecting you so why does it bother you'



It does effect me actually and others because the focus has been working on cutting time off games making it mainstream rather then other things.. people don't get this at all and have the attitude of 'who cares don't play it like that'

Look, you and I don't see eye to eye on quite a bit around here, and that's okay. All I'm saying is having MORE options on how to play a game is not a bad thing. Quick counts doesn't affect you bc you don't play with them. When I have more time on the weekends, I don't use quick counts. But I have just as much fun playing the game when I do. This is the last thing I'll say about this bc there's no point. We all play the game differently and I'm just glad that SDS gives everyone plenty of options on how they want to play the game

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[SmashMan]

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Here we go again one of those 'it's not effecting you so why does it bother you'

It does effect me actually and others because the focus has been working on cutting time off games making it mainstream rather then other things.. people don't get this at all and have the attitude of 'who cares don't play it like that'

You playing every pitch of every game skews the data, giving SDS the idea that more people play that way. You should stop immediately. Thanks.

[ninertravel]

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You really need to let go of the everyone should do/play as I do attitude

Its a ****ing video game. People all have different ways of playing the game and enjoying it. If you're not mature or civil enough to deal with that, then maybe a video game forum with a melting pot of different ideas of what is deemed fun and enjoyable isn't for you.

There you are now too.. knew you would step in as well and get involved like always. you don't get it so I won't bother either. because you clearly don't understand what I am getting at. by saying 'it's only a game' means you are really saying you don't care either and it doesn't matter.

[ninertravel]

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Look, you and I don't see eye to eye on quite a bit around here, and that's okay. All I'm saying is having MORE options on how to play a game is not a bad thing. Quick counts doesn't affect you bc you don't play with them. When I have more time on the weekends, I don't use quick counts. But I have just as much fun playing the game when I do. This is the last thing I'll say about this bc there's no point. We all play the game differently and I'm just glad that SDS gives everyone plenty of options on how they want to play the game

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Thanks for being civil with your reply unlike others on here.

my point wasn't to comment on 'others playing the game there way' it was to point out where the game has been heading the last few years where it is heading that more casual way focus like QCs like taking out presentation. like taking out season mode and focusing on M2O and reducing the time and presentations.

it's all fine for people to use QCs as long as the other options are in. but it is scary that every year little bits and pieces like not showing the line-up screen or taking away a presentation theme is taken out for the expense of these sort of things to streamline it more. more options is great I agree! but it's scaring me those options are getting limited now.

[Blzer]

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my guess is with so many new animations added every year, the Studio needed the memory space. hopefully the next-gens will bring a return to form

I always suspected this was the Vita's excuse. They didn't have any cutscenes (I think they had walk-ups but that's it) or replays. This saved on memory here and on commentary, as they barely needed any lines for anyone other than Vasgersian. My argument was further supported by the low-res commentary audio, saving space anywhere that they could.

I don't know how much animations take up, but I'm sure those stadiums and uniforms are taking up quite a bit of space.

[bigd51]

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Look, you and I don't see eye to eye on quite a bit around here, and that's okay. All I'm saying is having MORE options on how to play a game is not a bad thing.
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It can be, though.

Let me preface this by saying that I've always loved The Show for the plethora of options available to the gamer to play the game how they want. It's one thing that makes it stand out from every other sports game and a big reason why The Show is so respected.

I can empathize w/ both sides, though, b/c although I love the plethora of options to play how I want to play, I can also see where too many options can definitely be a bad thing in regards to development and truly progressing the game beyond what it actually could be.

Every addition has to be balanced w/ the other options in mind, which means the other options may have to be tuned to compensate, which only means more work for the devs when producing a yearly release game, which only means sacrificing attention spent towards more important aspects of the game. For all we know, the plethora of options could be holding this game back in ways we're not considering.

The reason I personally skip through the vast majority of presentation cut-scenes is b/c the cut-scenes haven't changed in over a decade. The presentation aspects of the game still use a lot of the same visuals and commentary lines from 15 years ago. When you spend 10-15 years seeing the same cut-scenes of the pitcher running to the mound, the same batter-walkup style, the same replay styles, etc. then it's hard not to "X" through them.

You could also say if more attention were paid to updating the presentation yearly and making it seem as fresh as possible, then more people like me would be willing to sit through them, but that just cycles back to my original point of SDS having to choose which aspect is more important to improve in their limited time-frame.

TL;DR

This has nothing to do w/ generational appeal. Like every yearly sports game, this has everything to do w/ the limited time-frame given to these devs to release a yearly title. If they had more dev time, then they could probably fit everything in and make sure every option was copacetic w/ every other option... but b/c of the limited time-frame, sometimes they're forced to choose which is more important to focus on from necessity out of their control.