I think PRIDE is ruining this game for some people

[Bornindamecca]

This isn't for Online or MyCareer, so if you have issues with those modes this is the wrong thread.

For User vs. CPU 5-on-5 gameplay, I think some people are just too prideful to turn down the difficulty and learn the game. Superstar/Sim is if you are already good at the game. If you know your shot releases, your team's play and your defensive matchups/settings for a given situation, you should play this level and still find a challenge, depending on what team you choose. (I can't lose with Cleveland since I opened the box, lmao)

We see a lot of people crying cheese and AI cheating. No doubt, there is a side dish of pepperjack in the CPU's arsenal. Bad players can play above their heads way too often in this game, and sometimes morphing/warping cheats you out of a good defensive play.

*******************However********************

This is a minor annoyance. It isn't deciding the outcome of games. If you're LOSING, it's still becasue you're a SCRUB. I'm sorry, but I'm Simnation not Scrubnation. If you put up a vid and you didn't call a play, had a late close out, had a mismatch, went one-on-one or tried some playground Pick and Roll offense, you need to lower the difficulty level.

With Sliders, you can't make the game perfect, but you can make it pretty close to excellent. Please play on a lower difficulty level if you feel that you can't win because the AI is cheesing you. I'm seeing a lot of scrubby videos and people crying about not getting their #Arcadenation results.

This isn't everyone. Some people have posted legit proof of issues that need to be addressed.

But it's a lot of people. Learn your offense. Learn your shot releases. Learn what all of the defensive adjustments mean and use them. Throw pride out the window and learn the game.

If you allow premature scrubby frustration to affect how they patch this game, we will NEVER get a real simulation.

And we'll deserve it.

--Books

[BBallcoach]

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I 100% agree. I thought I'd waltz through Pro (I always start on pro and move up)... I am still playing on Pro! You have to play SIM ball to win. That may annoy some folks, but as a hoops head and as a coach, I love it. This game is pretty much the closest thing you can get to NBA hoops.

[Sgt_Carnage]

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Wait,so if people have a gripe,the gripe isn't vaild,they're just scrubs? Get off the high horse,bro. Seriously. This beats all I've ever seen. Let's just overlook the stuff that's broken with the game. According to the OP our gripes aren't valid, we're just a bunch of scrubs. Give me a break.

[BBallcoach]

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Wait,so if people have a gripe,the gripe isn't vaild,they're just scrubs? Get off the high horse,bro. Seriously. This beats all I've ever seen. Let's just overlook the stuff that's broken with the game. According to the OP our gripes aren't valid, we're just a bunch of scrubs. Give me a break.

"Broken stuff" great nondescript way of BSing. most of the complaints in this game are one off instances or dude who cheese. It's painfully obvious.

[QDB9]

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True. To add with pride I think some people feel like they know what the CPU should do in most situations, and that's not the case either. I've been playing SS/sim and it's all about gameplan.

[GOGO head ray]

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CPU auto-putbacks are just scrub players? The fact that ai teammates oftentimes put themselves out of position for simple basketball fundementals are also because of scrub players? I played on allstar sim and blew out the warriors by 20 pts with the kings; same matchup on SS/sim and I can't keep up because the CPU starts to cheese.

[thedream2k13]

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Sorry OP this applies to user vs user online as well

[dmankey1]

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Agree. I'm getting my most enjoyable games playing All Star/default. Tried All Star/sim but not feeling it yet

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[Coach2K]

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I'm not ashamed to say that I play on rookie as my starting level when I first get the game every year.

You can still learn a lot at the easiest difficulty level about your team and how to use it.

Not only that, it's pretty fun to just go all out and thoroughly kill the CPU.

[DIESEL]

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CPU auto-putbacks are just scrub players? The fact that ai teammates oftentimes put themselves out of position for simple basketball fundementals are also because of scrub players? I played on allstar sim and blew out the warriors by 20 pts with the kings; same matchup on SS/sim and I can't keep up because the CPU starts to cheese.

OK, so based on that extensive 2 game sample it sounds like you need something between all-star and superstar. The good news is there are about 100 human and cpu sliders you can adjust to help your experience. If you have tried them all and still are not happy NBA Live will be out soon.

I just pray the dev team does not cave in to all these people who expect to be experts at this game in 1 week.

[DorianDonP]

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Wait,so if people have a gripe,the gripe isn't vaild,they're just scrubs? Get off the high horse,bro. Seriously. This beats all I've ever seen. Let's just overlook the stuff that's broken with the game. According to the OP our gripes aren't valid, we're just a bunch of scrubs. Give me a break.

Talk about building a straw man...

C'mon man if you're going to disagree with him at least represent his position accurately.

[Vni]

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Very good post man had to be said.

Right now I'am definately part of #scrubnation and after losing again to the CPU on superstar, I'am definately lowering the difficulty because I ain't good enough. But it's allright, I'll get there eventually.

[Bornindamecca]

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^^^The only crime in being a scrub is not admitting it.

If they made a good game, then we HAD to learn how to play it. If we were all experts on Superstar from day 1, that probably means the game needs some work. Winning in the NBA isn't easy and winning in an NBA sim shouldn't be easy.

Everyone is a scrub when a new game comes out, but only some people admit that and remove their scrubby tendencies one by one. I freely admit that there is too much scrub in my game. Gotta learn my shot releases and figure out my go-to plays for my teams.

I haven't played a perfect game yet, so you can talk flaws in ANY game. There is a difference between analyzing the game and critiquing it for improved development and crying scrubby tears, claiming that those flaws are causing you to lose.

[Sundown]

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We see a lot of people crying cheese and AI cheating. No doubt, there is a side dish of pepperjack in the CPU's arsenal. Bad players can play above their heads way too often in this game, and sometimes morphing/warping cheats you out of a good defensive play.

*******************However********************

This is a minor annoyance. It isn't deciding the outcome of games. If you're LOSING, it's still becasue you're a SCRUB. I'm sorry, but I'm Simnation not Scrubnation.

The issues you list aren't just "minor annoyances". And they do decide games-- how does scrubs playing above their skill level, warping past defense, and other cheese you list not decide games, especially close ones? The problem I have with how often they occur on SS is precisely because they don't resemble sim, and I prefer my difficulty to come from better actual play, not boosts that make players barely resemble themselves the moment you are out of rhythm. It's not the losing. It's how you lose, and when you finally do what you need to get a stop, the unrealistic tendencies of the AI negates that because they are already boosted and in rhythm. That is a patently unfun and unsim experience the times it does happen. It doesn't happen all the time, but yes, it does decide games if you're not good enough to prevent it.

There's All-Star and sliders for me, which both can provide a much more sim and realistic experience-- and I understand the need at this point to provide difficulty since there are only so many ways to do so with the current implementation -- but the "you're a scrub, this is sim" rhetoric is way too simplistic in regards to SS, if we truly care about an accurate representation of the sport in all difficulties.

HOF is pure cheese. SS is a large dose of cheese balanced precariously with Sim aspects on an unstable equilibrium to provide additional challenge for the guys who are good enough to beat the AI trying to play within realistiic limitations. All-Star and below are good if you aren't good enough or don't like that kind of thing.

So while I totally agree with swallowing your pride and turning down the difficulty, I would say that one should actually do it because the game rapidly loses its sim elements if they aren't very, very good, and the problems you list become more magnified -- rather than blaming it on the player for not being sim enough.

[SageInfinite]

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REAL TALK HERE!!!! I saw a dude on youtube today bitching about the game being cheesy. Dude's game was AWFUL. I mean straight horrible saying he was playing sim. Sometimes you gotta take a step back and learn the game and adjust instead of taking the easy way out and blaming the game. It ain't always the game. Either take the time to learn it and put it through it's paces, or move on.