I think PRIDE is ruining this game for some people

[2_headedmonster]

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maaaan im glad its been said.

There are people who are too prideful to admit that their defensive scheme may be to blame for mistakes...

There are people too prideful to consider they are taking their players out of rebounding position...

There are people too prideful to break their no switch rule to boxout

There are people too prideful to report accurate accounts, and would rather just spew" 90% this" and "every time that"

I understand there are issues, i understand the game is far from perfect, but speaking in hyperbole is counter productive. Post stats from multiple games, detail your style ( no switch, on ball warrior etc), and mention your control settings to keep things productive. I want issues solved as much as the next guy, but i don't want frustration-fueled, user-error based complaints confused for legitimacy.

[RyanLeaf16]

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I completely agree with the OP. For those that take issue with his post, he clearly stated that not everyone is included in his critique. He is talking about those who don't play basketball. He's talking about those that treat this game as the "Showtime era" and are looking to run up and down the court with no regard for strategy or in-game adjustments.

This year's game forces you to play a varied game and to identify the weaknesses in the CPU opponent. It no longer allows you to exploit anything for any extended period of time. I'm just as guilty of it as well, but, at least I can recognize it.

I don't get nearly the time to play as I used to. I've only been able to squeeze in four game in my customized legends My League and I am 2-2. Found that in all of my games thus far, the CPU has adjusted to my go-to plays and style and have shut down my passing lanes and began killing me in the transition game - until I adjusted.

Plus, Superstar and HOF settings are pure cheese anyway. They may provide a great challenge, but, you should know going into it that the game has been programmed, at those levels, to stunt your level of performance. So anyone that whines about that is also just wasting their time.

[Vni]

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And btw I completely agree that now they have the right people working at 2K the only thing stopping them from delivering a true simulation might be us.

Sad.

[GOGO head ray]

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OK, so based on that extensive 2 game sample it sounds like you need something between all-star and superstar. The good news is there are about 100 human and cpu sliders you can adjust to help your experience. If you have tried them all and still are not happy NBA Live will be out soon.

I just pray the dev team does not cave in to all these people who expect to be experts at this game in 1 week.

The sample I posted was just that; a sample. I have played the game extensively since launch day. Nontheless; the sliders are broken so whats the point of adjusting them. I do pray that the devs. don't listen to those with rose tinted glasses and rather fix parts of the game that needs adjustment.

[magicman32]

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I usually start on pro first every year and move up to Allstar/Sim after a few games. I never play above that difficulty. Allstar plays the best to me. I find the CPU cheese/speed boosts to be unrealistic on anything above allstar. Just my opinion.

[2_headedmonster]

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The sample I posted was just that; a sample. I have played the game extensively since launch day. Nontheless; the sliders are broken so whats the point of adjusting them. I do pray that the devs. don't listen to those with rose tinted glasses and rather fix parts of the game that needs adjustment.

"the sliders are broken"

im sorry you got the one game where there isnt a issue with a few sliders you could specify, but the sliders as a whole are plain broken. unfortunate.

[jcmreds]

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Real player % on Pro is working great for me.

[lgxjames]

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OP has a decent point...However...for me the issue is balance. right now I have a .500 record with the Wolves, All-Star/Simulation

Here I struggle with on-ball defense and backcuts (the worst) but offense feels right...

going down a level; I'm killing it on offense and defense is a block, steal fest...I'm not a slider nerd so just waiting for someone to develop one...

[Crookid]

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This isn't for Online or MyCareer, so if you have issues with those modes this is the wrong thread.

For User vs. CPU 5-on-5 gameplay, I think some people are just too prideful to turn down the difficulty and learn the game. Superstar/Sim is if you are already good at the game. If you know your shot releases, your team's play and your defensive matchups/settings for a given situation, you should play this level and still find a challenge, depending on what team you choose. (I can't lose with Cleveland since I opened the box, lmao)

We see a lot of people crying cheese and AI cheating. No doubt, there is a side dish of pepperjack in the CPU's arsenal. Bad players can play above their heads way too often in this game, and sometimes morphing/warping cheats you out of a good defensive play.

*******************However********************

This is a minor annoyance. It isn't deciding the outcome of games. If you're LOSING, it's still becasue you're a SCRUB. I'm sorry, but I'm Simnation not Scrubnation. If you put up a vid and you didn't call a play, had a late close out, had a mismatch, went one-on-one or tried some playground Pick and Roll offense, you need to lower the difficulty level.

With Sliders, you can't make the game perfect, but you can make it pretty close to excellent. Please play on a lower difficulty level if you feel that you can't win because the AI is cheesing you. I'm seeing a lot of scrubby videos and people crying about not getting their #Arcadenation results.

This isn't everyone. Some people have posted legit proof of issues that need to be addressed.

But it's a lot of people. Learn your offense. Learn your shot releases. Learn what all of the defensive adjustments mean and use them. Throw pride out the window and learn the game.

If you allow premature scrubby frustration to affect how they patch this game, we will NEVER get a real simulation.

And we'll deserve it.

--Books

I agree with a lot of points. Although, a lot of my HOF feedback is for MC, I have been trying to keep it constructive without sounding like I'm complaining as feedback is important for patches.

However, there are quite a few fanboys running around preaching while playing on Pro. There are legitimate things that need fixing and legitimate players posting legitimate concerns and solutions (as you stated).

I just think it is also important for people to realize we all love the game and want it to succeed. There will be the "control breakers" who are just coming on to vent their frustration, but gear the reprimand towards them (no directed at OP). The game is not perfect by any standard, but please don't act like a hero because you are playing well on Pro and help the community help the developers.

Noting is perfect and praising the game to veterans just clouds the solid feedback with arguments.

[sirjam]

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I thought I read the game was tested on superstar sim? Anyways I play on that level win some lose some. I beat the thunder with GRIZZ ON THAT LEVEL. Conley ran the show like real life. I ran 2k smart play almost everytime and if the clock got below 10 I backed out and ran pick and roll with Gasol. Also Zebo gave Ibaka fits and fouled him out. Seemed pretty realistic to me. KD was torching me until I set the d on him to deny and force baseline. Held Russ in check with on ball d as I discussed in my thread.

[jcmreds]

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The only issues I have with the game are the warp speed of offensive rebound put backs, and sluggish reaction time on defense.


I don't have a problem with the amount of OR because I get about the same number as the cpu. The defensive lag has forced me to anticipate the cpu's next move, and see the whole court which I kinda like.

[sirjam]

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The only issues I have with the game are the warp speed of offensive rebound put backs, and sluggish reaction time on defense.


I don't have a problem with the amount of OR because I get about the same number as the cpu. The defensive lag has forced me to anticipate the cpu's next move, and see the whole court which I kinda like.

I echo the rebounding issue

[tyberious4now]

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The only issues I have with the game are the warp speed of offensive rebound put backs, and sluggish reaction time on defense.


I don't have a problem with the amount of OR because I get about the same number as the cpu. The defensive lag has forced me to anticipate the cpu's next move, and see the whole court which I kinda like.

This should help you...

Offensive rebound at 30 for both

Defensive rebound 35 for both

Box out assistance 100
to me it evens the game out...I play on pro and has been having amazing games... I realize reading in this forum that alot of people really don't know what sim bball is nor do they care...I tend to ignore some people when they make statements like the game is broken because I can't edit their tattoos....LOL it's stuff like this that make me realize also that the demographic is alot of young cats playing this game.

My only wish/hope is that we could have a mature forum to discuss how we can make this game a true sim on any level...

[cam21224]

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I played on allstar sim and blew out the warriors by 20 pts with the kings; same matchup on SS/sim and I can't keep up because the CPU starts to cheese.

So why not tweak the sliders for a more competitive all star level base for yourself?

Did you use the POE's? Did you adjust to hide your teams weakness? Did you try to take away the Warriors strength?

I've found that everytime I've lost so far to be on me, not the CPU cheating but me relaxing and coasting, not adjusting and forcing the issue instead of taking what the CPU is giving me.

Take this game for example, I tried to play a high pace game against the Nuggets, when I should of slowed the tempo down and took better shots instead of trying to beat them at their own game/strength.

Their bench depth, blazers lack of depth and my turnovers resulted in my lost, not some system out to cheat me.



Use the tools available to you at all times!

I swear all they need to do is fix the fouls, offensive rebound putbacks, three point attempts, stats overlays/player of the game and not go backwards an dum the game down for the frustrated crew that refuse to adjust and play basketball instead of video games.

[JA Money14]

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Sorry I'm late to the party, but I'm really glad that this was said. Not just the original sentiment that we should all look in the mirror and ask ourselves if were playing up to par, but talking about those people in particular that complain about what is a fantastic game.

I have been around this amazing website since 2K10's launch and this game for whatever reason has seen the most negative backlash I've seen in a while for a game. I just don't get it. This is a place for sim basketball and adult criticism and suggestion. Server and online issues aside, I cannot see how people can constantly attack this incredible game so much.

The game is not perfect, that's not what I'm saying at all, it has it's flaws, we all know that. Anyone that played 2K14 next gen, though... I can't even compare with words how beautiful 2K15 is. It's night and day from 2K14. Again, I'm talking about strictly gameplay here. 5-on-5, real NBA basketball, from the jump.

It seems like everyday I traverse OS and this forum in partcular, I see 2 or 3 threads claiming that the game is "Broken". That is far and away the most overused word I've seen to describe 2K. I've seen "Shot meter broken, game unplayable" "Sliders are broken" "Rebounding is broken, 2K needs MAJOR PATCH" "Broken game, broken modes" and best of all "FACESCAN is Broken, what's the point" There really is no point in talking to those people, because they are frustrated beyond words and cannot be reasoned with, so I stay out of that and just shake my head, knowing that someone who isn't as level headed may see that and take up that opinion just to attack the game.

I'm sorry to ramble on, but I just wanted to thank the OP and all of the #SimNation that came on here to support his sentiments, INCLUDING the people that seem to disagree, but can maturely discuss it to a point and not claim that the game is "Trash" or "Broken".

We're all here because we want an amazing game. We have that in terms of gameplay this year, guys. I don't want 2K to make any crazy changes because of all the negative feedback. Please keep improving on the base you already have and iron out some of the issues. (The real ones)