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  • fluent2332
    MVP
    • Aug 2005
    • 1735

    #1

    2-3 Zone All Game...Completely Legitimate Strategy

    There's nothing wrong with playing a zone for an entire game if the other team is unsuccessful against it. Why would I switch defenses when the other team is having trouble beating it? I play mostly 2-3 zone with Golden State, which is 26th in defense to begin with, playing man to man is suicide...and in my zone I choose to leave weak shooters wide open. Completely legit strategy. To the person who quit against me ( I won't name names) it was a very weak reason to quit. I play completely sim, but I always pick apart my opponent and take advantage of any legit strategy I can, which includes playing zone against weaker outside shooting teams. I don't exploit anything ( I don't even know of any exploits for this game? Spin dunks? I dunno? ) .

    This game allows you to be your own coach on the floor and use your own personal strategies that you would if you were an NBA head coach. That still means you can play sim but you employ your own strategies. Quitting because you're facing a zone is just flat out WEAK.
  • FLA$H
    Rookie
    • Apr 2011
    • 5

    #2
    Re: 2-3 Zone All Game...Completely Legitimate Strategy

    Zone is good for sim, but vs the top players it will get you killed
    Beat The Celtics!

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    • Pared
      Legen - WAIT FOR IT
      • Feb 2003
      • 39337

      #3
      Re: 2-3 Zone All Game...Completely Legitimate Strategy

      Would putting your star athletic guard at center and iso-ing be considered a "legitimate strategy" since the game lets you do it?
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      • Xx Qontrolz xX
        Rookie
        • May 2011
        • 444

        #4
        Re: 2-3 Zone All Game...Completely Legitimate Strategy

        Originally posted by Pared
        Would putting your star athletic guard at center and iso-ing be considered a "legitimate strategy" since the game lets you do it?
        exactly

        zone all game is just not nba - like, so just for this i wouldnt play with some1 who does that

        only example i know was that suns lakers series last year
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        • fluent2332
          MVP
          • Aug 2005
          • 1735

          #5
          Re: 2-3 Zone All Game...Completely Legitimate Strategy

          Originally posted by FLA$H
          Zone is good for sim, but vs the top players it will get you killed
          Oh I agree, especially against teams that can shoot. Trust me, playing as GS I've had my zone crushed by plenty of different players online. But against some the zone is golden because they don't know how to break it, or they flat out can't shoot, or they don't take smart shots, etc.

          Would putting your star athletic guard at center and iso-ing be considered a "legitimate strategy" since the game lets you do it?
          Sure, why not? It's certainly not the brightest move, but if you want to re-write the rule books and develop your own 'crazy' strategy that you think can win, then by all means go for it. This game is so deep that it lets you have all the freedom in the world for how you want to craft your playing style. Personally, if you did that mess against me it would probably lead to a loss, since the flip side to your "move" is that you'll get killed on the boards, and on defense. So it balances out. It could also be countered with defensive settings, such as placing your own athletic guard to cover this new found "center", or by playing zone which would also negate the advantage.

          Hell, if you want to run with 5 PGs on the court, go for it, doesn't mean you won't get killed, but it's still your own choice how you want to play the game. Nothing you can do in the game is overpowered, and everything can be countered. As long as you're not abusing the spin dunk or some other exploit, then I say go for it. Unleash your inner Don Nelson. Have "sim players" ever watched Golden St. when they were coached by Nelson? Steven Jackson played the 5 on occasion. Reggie Williams the 4. Anthony Tolliver jacking up 3s playing the center position. That's some of my favorite brand of basketball right there.

          The counter for the 2-3 zone (both in real life and in this game) is penetration from the wing position and shooting smart, open shots. Do that against the zone and you will feast against it. It's not my fault that YOU can't beat the zone. Look at PHX vs. LA from a few years ago in the Western Conf. finals. LA had plenty of trouble against the 2-3 zone. Was Alvin Gentry not playing sim by using the zone? Whereas he used it for a few game stretch I happen to use it nearly every game and I try to master it.

          I personally pattern my play style after Don Nelson coached teams, with my own twist. I play small ball, plenty of 2-3 zone, and I run at every chance I get. Of course it depends on the team I'm using, but I see nothing wrong with the way I play the game, and I consider myself the most hardcore of sim players, and I say that proudly. I've been playing sim basketball since 2k3. It just saddens me that a good, legitimate sim player would quit against me because they are facing a zone, and feel that it's a somehow cheap strategy to use just because they don't know how to counter it. And then say I'm not playing sim, ridiculous.

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          • fluent2332
            MVP
            • Aug 2005
            • 1735

            #6
            Re: 2-3 Zone All Game...Completely Legitimate Strategy

            Originally posted by Xx Qontrolz xX
            exactly

            zone all game is just not nba - like, so just for this i wouldnt play with some1 who does that

            only example i know was that suns lakers series last year
            Well guess what, I think OUTSIDE the box, and I say 2-3 zone all game is NBA. I don't care what current coaches do, or how much they use it. Personally if I were an NBA head coach I'd use it a ton, because I don't think these teams have enough good outside shooters to poke holes in it. And I play this game as if I were the head coach on the sidelines giving the orders. And guess what, the good teams would punish me for playing zone, just how it should be. But just because I have a different coaching philosophy doesn't make me a bad person. Get off your high horse man. It's called BASKETBALL and 2-3 zone is a fundamental move that even high schoolers can play.
            Last edited by fluent2332; 05-24-2011, 10:48 AM.

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            • TheKasmar
              Pro
              • Aug 2009
              • 955

              #7
              Re: 2-3 Zone All Game...Completely Legitimate Strategy

              Given the increase in tipped passes and the decrease in 3pt shooting pecetages, I could see why most would prefer to play zone. A good zone D in 2k can be stiffling.

              If you are playing somebody and killing them with zone I bet that same person woud struggle agaisnt man-to-man D too. Blaming zone was probably just a cop out.

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              • ManiacMatt1782
                Who? Giroux!
                • Jul 2006
                • 3982

                #8
                Re: 2-3 Zone All Game...Completely Legitimate Strategy

                Originally posted by Xx Qontrolz xX
                exactly

                zone all game is just not nba - like, so just for this i wouldnt play with some1 who does that

                only example i know was that suns lakers series last year
                The reason is that the other coaches offence would adjust and start destroying the zone. If the offense never adjusts, why would the defense?
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                • Pared
                  Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 39337

                  #9
                  Re: 2-3 Zone All Game...Completely Legitimate Strategy

                  Originally posted by fluent2332
                  Sure, why not? It's certainly not the brightest move, but if you want to re-write the rule books and develop your own 'crazy' strategy that you think can win, then by all means go for it. This game is so deep that it lets you have all the freedom in the world for how you want to craft your playing style. Personally, if you did that mess against me it would probably lead to a loss, since the flip side to your "move" is that you'll get killed on the boards, and on defense. So it balances out. It could also be countered with defensive settings, such as placing your own athletic guard to cover this new found "center", or by playing zone which would also negate the advantage.

                  Hell, if you want to run with 5 PGs on the court, go for it, doesn't mean you won't get killed, but it's still your own choice how you want to play the game. Nothing you can do in the game is overpowered, and everything can be countered. As long as you're not abusing the spin dunk or some other exploit, then I say go for it. Unleash your inner Don Nelson. Have "sim players" ever watched Golden St. when they were coached by Nelson? Steven Jackson played the 5 on occasion. Reggie Williams the 4. Anthony Tolliver jacking up 3s playing the center position. That's some of my favorite brand of basketball right there.

                  The counter for the 2-3 zone (both in real life and in this game) is penetration from the wing position and shooting smart, open shots. Do that against the zone and you will feast against it. It's not my fault that YOU can't beat the zone. Look at PHX vs. LA from a few years ago in the Western Conf. finals. LA had plenty of trouble against the 2-3 zone. Was Alvin Gentry not playing sim by using the zone? Whereas he used it for a few game stretch I happen to use it nearly every game and I try to master it.

                  I personally pattern my play style after Don Nelson coached teams, with my own twist. I play small ball, plenty of 2-3 zone, and I run at every chance I get. Of course it depends on the team I'm using, but I see nothing wrong with the way I play the game, and I consider myself the most hardcore of sim players, and I say that proudly. I've been playing sim basketball since 2k3. It just saddens me that a good, legitimate sim player would quit against me because they are facing a zone, and feel that it's a somehow cheap strategy to use just because they don't know how to counter it. And then say I'm not playing sim, ridiculous.
                  I'm not going to get into the whole "sim" discussion but I can tell you that this sort of mindset is why I avoid randoms.

                  I'd rather someone at least try and emulate what an NBA team would do somewhat. I can see that reasoning going for a college game but not for an NBA game. You're just making it a video game then, IMHO, not a "strategical maneuver to display your coaching prowess" or however you would like to put it.
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                  • ZoneBlitz
                    MVP
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 1402

                    #10
                    Re: 2-3 Zone All Game...Completely Legitimate Strategy

                    Originally posted by fluent2332
                    Oh I agree, especially against teams that can shoot. Trust me, playing as GS I've had my zone crushed by plenty of different players online. But against some the zone is golden because they don't know how to break it, or they flat out can't shoot, or they don't take smart shots, etc.

                    Sure, why not? It's certainly not the brightest move, but if you want to re-write the rule books and develop your own 'crazy' strategy that you think can win, then by all means go for it. This game is so deep that it lets you have all the freedom in the world for how you want to craft your playing style. Personally, if you did that mess against me it would probably lead to a loss, since the flip side to your "move" is that you'll get killed on the boards, and on defense. So it balances out. It could also be countered with defensive settings, such as placing your own athletic guard to cover this new found "center", or by playing zone which would also negate the advantage.

                    Hell, if you want to run with 5 PGs on the court, go for it, doesn't mean you won't get killed, but it's still your own choice how you want to play the game. Nothing you can do in the game is overpowered, and everything can be countered. As long as you're not abusing the spin dunk or some other exploit, then I say go for it. Unleash your inner Don Nelson. Have "sim players" ever watched Golden St. when they were coached by Nelson? Steven Jackson played the 5 on occasion. Reggie Williams the 4. Anthony Tolliver jacking up 3s playing the center position. That's some of my favorite brand of basketball right there.

                    The counter for the 2-3 zone (both in real life and in this game) is penetration from the wing position and shooting smart, open shots. Do that against the zone and you will feast against it. It's not my fault that YOU can't beat the zone. Look at PHX vs. LA from a few years ago in the Western Conf. finals. LA had plenty of trouble against the 2-3 zone. Was Alvin Gentry not playing sim by using the zone? Whereas he used it for a few game stretch I happen to use it nearly every game and I try to master it.

                    I personally pattern my play style after Don Nelson coached teams, with my own twist. I play small ball, plenty of 2-3 zone, and I run at every chance I get. Of course it depends on the team I'm using, but I see nothing wrong with the way I play the game, and I consider myself the most hardcore of sim players, and I say that proudly. I've been playing sim basketball since 2k3. It just saddens me that a good, legitimate sim player would quit against me because they are facing a zone, and feel that it's a somehow cheap strategy to use just because they don't know how to counter it. And then say I'm not playing sim, ridiculous.
                    Hmmmm...I'm inclined to agree with the OP here. I don't see it as cheese because it is really not hard to beat a 2-3 zone. In fact, it's quite easy. To me, 2k11 is robust enough to quite easily dispatch of most folks that use that type of strategy.

                    In addition, I do think it's sim. Look at Jordan. There were times when he was just unstoppable. Should Phil Jackson have asked Jordan to sit down because he was too good for the other teams? Would it be wrong for a player to use Jordan in the game to be unstoppable? I don't know what will happen to the Heat, but if the big 3 prove impossible or extremely difficult to stop in real life, should we stop playing with them in the game?

                    I think if a team in real life finds your weakness, they will exploit it until you make them switch to something else. I think the OP is doing the same. The 2-3 zone is not complicated and, quite honestly, not particularly difficult to overcome.
                    When the game is on the line, winners want the ball.

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                    • annan
                      Banned
                      • Feb 2004
                      • 355

                      #11
                      Re: 2-3 Zone All Game...Completely Legitimate Strategy

                      Agree with op...zone is viable strategy. Only thing cheesy is exploiting a known game issue that cannot be countered.

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                      • Trash-man143
                        Rookie
                        • May 2011
                        • 38

                        #12
                        Re: 2-3 Zone All Game...Completely Legitimate Strategy

                        is hop-stepping legitimate just because my opponent cant stop it...

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                        • Humble_Thyself
                          Rookie
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 198

                          #13
                          Re: 2-3 Zone All Game...Completely Legitimate Strategy

                          Agree 100% with the OP.

                          I believe there is a KEY difference between using a tactic or strategy that is "unique" or "outside of the box" and one that exploits the game's programming to take advantage of the opponent.

                          Running zone throughout an entire game, playing a PG/SG at the 5 spot is a unique strategy. Would most NBA teams do it? No. Has it been done before in NBA history? Yes. Is it exploiting the game's programming to take advantage of the opponent? I definitely don't think so; like the OP said, the guy running zone and playing his guard at the 5 spot has to face serious consequences if the other team knows how to overcome the strategy.

                          Now, when you have someone taking Lebron James, iso-motioning 100% of the time, using the hop-step to jump across the lane, using the flick-flick move to draw fouls and score 99% of the time, I believe he's exploiting the game's programming in a way that would never occur in reality nor would any coach utilize as a strategy because it flat out wouldn't work.

                          There are countless other examples of what's known as "cheese"...to me, it all boils down to my original definition. If you're exploiting the programming, you're not playing "sim" basketball. If you're using an odd strategy, to me, you're just fine.

                          Keep running the zone OP and let us know if you come across other unique strategies!
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                          • ffaacc03
                            MVP
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 3485

                            #14
                            Re: 2-3 Zone All Game...Completely Legitimate Strategy

                            Some people are missing the point here ... it is not about winning or loosing or about been an exploit or not ... is about going against sim and most importantly, going against the nature of the game.

                            This is by nature an "NBA" game, this is the most authentic videogame representation of the "NBA" ... that is why there are tons of ratings and tendencies that affect all players and teams, they are assigned in order to provide an authentic experience ... is intended to make single players and teams behave like their real counterparts (leaving aside some unscaled and biased default approach) ... and so should the human players do, not only because it provides them with better odds at winning by taking advantage of the strengths and weaknesses ... but because it also legitimates and enhances the experience doing so within the "NBA" standards.

                            Everyone is indeed entitled to play the game as they like, but in order to claim having a ligitimate aproach, you cant negate the nature of the game, which is built upon the "NBA" experience.

                            P.S.
                            There is also a difference between sim and cheese, a sim approach is to live and die between the realm of an NBA simulation ... been a cheeser is to live and die within the game exploits ... to me, merely judging by this comment, you may be none ... which isnt good or bad, but just your style of play.

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                            • NickD54
                              Rookie
                              • May 2011
                              • 5

                              #15
                              Re: 2-3 Zone All Game...Completely Legitimate Strategy

                              I think the only way to argue that a 2-3 zone is against the nature of the NBA game is to rely on the fact that teams can easily beat it on a consistent basis.

                              However, if you have a team that is just horrible shooting from outside they have a lot tougher time beating the zone. This makes the zone a viable option against that team.

                              There's no reason to say an NBA coach wouldn't do the same as the OP if his opposing team couldn't beat the zone. It's the offensive player's job to know how to exploit the holes in a zone defense. Just like a bad team, a bad player doesn't recognize how to use the zone's weakness to their advantage.

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