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Xbox is the version to get 52 25.49%
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Old 07-22-2006, 10:11 AM   #41
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I've had both versions of NCAA since last Friday, and I have to say, the more I played the 360 version the less I liked it. Just too many holes in the gameplay, when directly compared to the current gen game. However, if people choose to compare the game to Madden 360, then there is a clear improvement. This might skew some people's opinions, as it would bring about a sense of relief, because NCAA is a finished game that plays ok, unlike Madden 360.

However, compare the current gen and 360 version, and there really is no comparison. Outside of graphics, the current gen version rules.

Next gen positives:

- GORGEOUS game. Just spectacular graphics, jaggies or not.
- Very clean menu screens.
- Playcalling interface is very next gen.
- Smart crowd actually is smart.
- Huge potential for the gameplay engine coupled with the control scheme.

Next gen negatives:

- Mario running is actually worse than before.

- Certain aspects of passing game are almost broken. Hitches that will bring back the receiver a bunch of yards before he turns upfield, sideline passes that unrealistically take the player out of bounds even when the receiver is standing still, db's that jump too high etc.

- Animations are WAY too long. Some of them look great, but inevitably, lead to frustrating moments, like the hitches mentioned above, or running game animations. An example: I ran a HB Slam to the right, met a defender one yard past the line of scrimmage. From here on the game took over and Ihad nothing to do with it. My HB spun off the first defender to the left, picking up another 4 yards with this animation, met another defender, who put my HB in a stumbling animation that lasted another 3 yards, only to be met by a third defender that engaged in a wrapping/dragging tackle animation for another 4 or 5 yards. Result: I had a 12 yard gain or so, not having anything to do with the play after the first yard, as I was holding up and to the right on my analog, while my HB proceeded to "animate" his way to the left. Don't know if you call this gameplay or not.

- Vaccuum tackling and other collision detection issues. The tackling is actually the worst culprit here, as it seems like you have to have a move predetermined in your mind, because about a yard or two before you and a defender actually meet up, you will engage in a tackling animation. Annoying. Collision detection issues seem to creep up a bit in the passing game, where I've had my WR get caught up with a defender for a one-steamboat, two-steamboat count before being able to progress, with no PI call, and Mario running in place with the defender.

- Presentation, though miles ahead of Madden 360, still lacking any atmosphere. You're actually better off turning the announcers off and cranking the crowd to max, as it's been programmed very well and gives you a sense of being there. However, in game presentation is almost non-existent, with limited pre and post-game shows, and no half-time show.

- The 30fps doesn't really become an issue until you play the current gen game and see and feel how smooth that game is. You'll definitely get a different feel for 360 NCAA after that, noticing the minor hiccups alot more.


Current gen positives:

- Gameplay is refined, naturally, with this probably being one of the last current gen NCAA's with significant dev time behind it, and it being the 6th installment on the cuurent gen systems. Everything from the very responsive controls to the different camera angles just give you a better feel than the 360 version.

- Animations. I will not be foolish and say they look better than the 360 game. That's silly. But they definitely have a more realistic football look to them. You'll see alot of ballcarriers being dragged down, catch animations that make sense, and in general animations that don't look out of place. Some of the animations on the 360 game look like the devs didn't consider the angle of attack or where the ball is coming from, whereas the current gen game seems to have animation that make sense.

- Campus Legend Mode. Whether you consider this to be fluff or not, it's still a fun mode to play, with all the mini games you do before hand to everything you have to consider while in the middle of it, it's just pure fun. There's some negatives to this mode as well, which I'll get into below, but it's still cool, IMO to develop a guy that you can later import into the Madden SS Mode, seeing your guy from College to retirement in the pros.

- The expanded playbooks, with all the trick plays, is pretty good. Some work better than others, but it's definitely fun to give them a try.

- The special teams cameras, while somewhat flawed, are still fun. The problem really comes in on Kick/Punt returns, not being able to turn the camera and getting smoked from the side, but it's still fun to be at field level.

- Dynasty Mode is a little deeper with the spring game and all the other refinements they've made to it over the years.

Current gen negatives:

- Heisman difficulty is still super human. This is clearly due to the fact that there's just not enough power in these systems to make the AI smarter on this difficulty level. In order to get a realistic experience, you have to play on AA with some slider tweaks.

- Mario running exists here too, just to a lesser extent than the 360 version.

- Campus Legend Mode. Although it's alot of fun, it still has it's share of problems. The mini games don't determine your skills, they just give you points to distribute any way you'd like. I ran a 4.38 with my QB, but all this did was give me 12 attribute points, not 90 Speed. Naturally, I gave those points to my throwing ability. So even though I ran a 4.38, my player's speed rating is a 52 because I didn't want to spend points on it. I also wish that you could play just your position in this game like you will in Madden. As it is, you control the whole team. Practice STILL sucks, just like it did in Madden 06 SS Mode. I just sim it.

- No half time show here either, but overall the presentation is what you'd expect...pretty good.

- Obviously the graphics pale in comparison to the 360 version, although the player models are more realistically sized than their 360 counterparts.


Now for some things that both games share, good and bad:

- Money plays, like corner routes, are prevalant in both games. (bad)
- Not enough penalties, mainly PI (bad)
- Momentum meter is not overdone, instead seems just right, as teams with momentum aren't superhuman, just seem a little more "focused" (good)
- Kicking meter is awesome. It was time for a change. (good)
- Jump the snap is both good and bad. On Heisman, the AI abuses it and it's an unfair advantage. On AA, though, it seems just right. (good/bad)
- Speed cheating is either non-existant or very minimal. Non-existant on everything below Heisman. (good)
- Interior running game needs work on both versions for different reasons. Current gen can get bogged down at times, while next gen the long animations and vacuum tackling really frustrate on the inside running game.(bad)

That's it for me. I'm sure there's more, but this is just what comes to mind. I hope nobody takes this personally. This is one person's opinion, and one that comes from playing both games extensively. I still believe 2k5 was the best ever, but this year's current gen NCAA is as good as it gets for EA football, and I'm having an absolute blast with it. Enjoy whatever you enjoy, and don't let anyone make you defensive about what you like. That's why there's at least this choice: Exclusivity has taken other developers out of the mix, but not development teams within a company. The two games play very differently, and you will find something to like, no doubt.
Very good post to breaking down the game in your opinion, but I disagree with a lot you said about the 360 version, I think there are really less holes in the 360 version your stating, because I have seen close to none of the problems you stated above...maybe I just haven't seen them yet...
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Old 07-22-2006, 10:30 AM   #42
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Very good post to breaking down the game in your opinion, but I disagree with a lot you said about the 360 version, I think there are really less holes in the 360 version your stating, because I have seen close to none of the problems you stated above...maybe I just haven't seen them yet...
Fair enough. Judging from the poll results, I wasn't expecting too many people to agree with me. Nor do I expect my post to change anyone's mind about either game, because I'm not saying anything negative about anybody that enjoys the 360 version. It's actually a nice thing to have two games that seem to play such different styles of football, that we all should find an NCAA that we enjoy. Which wasn't the case before this year, as it was current gen or nothing.
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Old 07-22-2006, 10:47 AM   #43
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Funny, so much "people haven't bought a 360 and side with the Xbox version because they're jelous" talk, and yet skimming through the thread just about every post that attempts to compare the two versions with at least some detail generally seems to conclude the current gen version is the better game to play. Hmmmm.
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Old 07-22-2006, 11:02 AM   #44
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Carrying on my point above, the people who have played both and side with the current gen:

"I own the PS2 and Xbox360, played them both don't even have an urge to put the 360 version in anymore, it's going back next trip to eb. The PS2 version has me completely captivated at the moment though. Once there is rosters, look out."

"really!!!! I own the 360, and can't help but feel the opposite. It saddens me that I choose to play on the $120 console as opposed to the 500 dollar console."

"I am 36 yrs old and I own both the XBOX and the 360 and both copies of NCAA 2007. I also own a 50' inch Samsung DLP with the ability to play both games on spilt screen. The staduims look better but everything else is really close in terms of graphics. The XBOX version is a more polish game with more features. The audible system in the XBOX version is the deepest of any football game I ever played. Both are great games but the XBOX version still is a better game."

"On the other hand, I also now have the xbox version and IMO it is 10X's better than the 360 version. The atmosphere alone makes the game a heck of a lot better to me not to mention better frame rates and a much better feeling of having control."

"Moving on, I think the collision detection issues combined with the AI, which is just OK especially when compared to the current-gen AI, and also the lack of any presentation whatsoever, make this game a good first effort, but not as good as the current-gen."

"I have both and IMO the XBOX version is the best football game EA ever put out. I was so impressed with 2007 I owned it on the XBOX, 360 and PSP."

"I don't have a problem paying $62 for a game, but please tell me the 360 version is better than what I seen in the demo. I have the Xbox version and there is no comparison."

"I've had both versions of NCAA since last Friday, and I have to say, the more I played the 360 version the less I liked it."


And the posts where the poster has played both and sides with next gen:

"to me after watching and playing the ps2 version in gamestop i could not stomach myself to play more then a series... "

And that's after playing it for one series. I may be overlooking some but that's the only post in here I can find where the poster clearly states he has at least played both, although in my examples above where posters side with current gen, they tend to actually own both, not just played for a short period of time.

Sorry, but I take what people go out of their way to post more than anonymous poll results. And it seems pretty obvious to me so far as a direct comparison people are enjoying current gen more. I suspect some people are enthralled by the initial appeal of the next gen visuals and reality may set in at a later date. Of course, i'm sure some people will genuinally believe the next gen version is better even then, but it is clear that current gen is, at the very least, just as good a game to play, which itself doesn't say much for the next gen version given the hardware advantage it has to play with. Anything short of across the board advantages over current gen IMO is a little disappointing.
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Polished. I think that that's the word that comes to mind for me when I think about the current gen game. They've had years to get it right, lost their way a bit with 2005 and 2006 after the stellar 2004, but have righted the ship in a big way.

Potential. That's definitely the word that comes to my mind as it relates to next gen. Increase the fps. Improve and shorten the animations. Smooth out the rough edges with the gameplay, especially the very heavy feel that ALL players have, and most importantly, give us more...more modes, more cameras, more presentation. The potential is there.

My favourite game is still 2k5...next gen Madden and NCAA have a very 2k-like LOOK to them. Now it's time to give us the FEEL. Make the game versatile, allowing gang-tackling, penalty animations, true one-on-one blocking. Alot of long-time EA football players despise the way the 2k football series controls. Fair enough. 2k wasn't perfect by any stretch, but it was closer to giving us what we want-realism. So take the best of both worlds. The versatility of the 2k engine, coupled with the ultra-smooth gameplay of the CURRENT GEN football games, and you will have found the Holy Grail of video game football.
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Let's keep this thread going. I have both XBox & 360 and I find myself playing the XBox version because to me it simply plays better. The playbooks are just sick and it also has a ton of new animations to make it look like you're playing football. Don't get me wrong though, the 360 has a crazy amount of animations as well, but something doesn't feel right about it to me. Just my opinion though.

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And the posts where the poster has played both and sides with next gen:

"to me after watching and playing the ps2 version in gamestop i could not stomach myself to play more then a series... "

And that's after playing it for one series. I may be overlooking some but that's the only post in here I can find where the poster clearly states he has at least played both, although in my examples above where posters side with current gen, they tend to actually own both, not just played for a short period of time.

Sorry, but I take what people go out of their way to post more than anonymous poll results. And it seems pretty obvious to me so far as a direct comparison people are enjoying current gen more. I suspect some people are enthralled by the initial appeal of the next gen visuals and reality may set in at a later date. Of course, i'm sure some people will genuinally believe the next gen version is better even then, but it is clear that current gen is, at the very least, just as good a game to play, which itself doesn't say much for the next gen version given the hardware advantage it has to play with. Anything short of across the board advantages over current gen IMO is a little disappointing.
I like how you conveniently leave my comment about preferring the 360 version out (If you got a 360 then this one's the no-brainer buy of the year IMO.), it makes one wonder who else's in the thread you've left out that preferred the 360's?

As for the comments, the vote, not the comments, speaks for itself. A 3 to 1 margin right now. The reason for far more comments from current-gen users than next-gen is they feel a need to justify the fact that they are going with the current-gen over what most are saying is a superior game in the next-gen. The next-gen voters don't have that same need to justify.
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I like how you conveniently leave my comment about preferring the 360 version out (If you got a 360 then this one's the no-brainer buy of the year IMO.), it makes one wonder who else's in the thread you've left out that preferred the 360's?

As for the comments, the vote, not the comments, speaks for itself. A 3 to 1 margin right now. The reason for far more comments from current-gen users than next-gen is they feel a need to justify the fact that they are going with the current-gen over what most are saying is a superior game in the next-gen. The next-gen voters don't have that same need to justify.
Sounds like you're trying to justify the 360.

I could care less which version people think is better. I'm just glad people have a solid football game. I'm glad the conversations have gone from this game is awful to trying to figure out which game console has the best game.
Leaves hope for the future that EA will continue to improve the game. This is the only game I truly get excited about every year.
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