The Official 2024-25 Season Talk Thread

[pietasterp]

Quote: Originally Posted by DrJones

Mike Ilitch's pocketbook didn't hurt, either!

Oh, did I leave out this was pre-salary cap era (at least 3 of the 4 cups)? Must have slipped my mind...

[DrJones]

Quote: Originally Posted by pietasterp

Oh, did I leave out this was pre-salary cap era (at least 3 of the 4 cups)? Must have slipped my mind...

https://www.sportsbusinesssims.com/n...m-payrolls.htm

Some fascinating stuff here. The cap didn't hit the 77M payroll of the 03/04 Rangers until the 18/19 season!

EDIT: The 03/04 Rangers finished 22 points out of the playoffs!

[l3ulvl]

Quote: Originally Posted by pietasterp

Oh, did I leave out this was pre-salary cap era (at least 3 of the 4 cups)? Must have slipped my mind...

I miss when the Wings were the Yankees lol


edit: I should probly say Dodgers now. Either way, that was a fun time

[Majingir]

Quote: Originally Posted by DrJones

https://www.sportsbusinesssims.com/n...m-payrolls.htm Some fascinating stuff here. The cap didn't hit the 77M payroll of the 03/04 Rangers until the 18/19 season! EDIT: The 03/04 Rangers finished 22 points out of the playoffs!

That's one thing which really hurt teams early on in the NHL.

That 05/06 season really made no sense because you had such a low salary cap, but teams salaries carried over from the pre cap days.

One of the reasons (along with the gameplay changes) that teams with younger/lower salary guys succeeded so much more like the Sabres and Canes and teams that were salary/vet heavy struggled initially.

[Majingir]

Bruins beat Panthers.

They're still not in a WC spot, but it would be funny if they met in the playoffs.

Don't think a team has ever traded their captain mid season AND faced the team who he got traded to in the playoffs.

[DrJones]

Quote: Originally Posted by Majingir

Bruins beat Panthers. They're still not in a WC spot, but it would be funny if they met in the playoffs. Don't think a team has ever traded their captain mid season AND faced the team who he got traded to in the playoffs.

Mid-season? Hmm, no I don't think so.

Pre-season? I can think of at least one very famous example.

Personal anecdote: Game 7 of Oilers/Kings was April 15, 1989 and was joined in progress on HNIC immediately following the end of Canucks/Flames (the Stan Smyl breakaway/Joel Otto kick-in game). 16-year-old me was absolutely traumatized/furious and I let out my frustrations while watching EDM/LA (I was cheering for the Kings because f*** Albertan teams, especially back then). So I let loose during that game with a nonstop stream of profanity that would've made Andrew Dice Clay blush (a very dated but era-appropriate reference). Of course, this was the 80s and my parents weren't rich, so we only had one TV and my cursing barrage was directed at the "family" set. Now my Dad had threatened to kick my *** before (he never did), but this was the only night where I was threatened with institutionalization if I didn't shut the f*** up! Good times.

[DrJones]

Quote: Originally Posted by Majingir

One of the reasons (along with the gameplay changes) that teams with younger/lower salary guys succeeded so much more like the Sabres and Canes and teams that were salary/vet heavy struggled initially.

And this is why the cap needs to be kept. In addition to killing smaller markets, the on-ice quality of games would suffer greatly. 4 or 5 markets would gobble up all the stars (and grossly overpay older stars), everyone else would go right back to Trap City. I really don't want to watch 25 versions of Rick Tocchet's Canucks.

[Majingir]

Quote: Originally Posted by DrJones

And this is why the cap needs to be kept. In addition to killing smaller markets, the on-ice quality of games would suffer greatly. 4 or 5 markets would gobble up all the stars (and grossly overpay older stars), everyone else would go right back to Trap City. I really don't want to watch 25 versions of Rick Tocchet's Canucks.

The cap is fine, but they need a luxury tax.

With a hard cap and trying to make a level playing field, you're now making it uneven because of the tax situation which swings things in the other direction.

Instead of the big markets being able to spend, they're now anchored down to the level of the floor teams.

The luxury tax can allow the big market/high tax teams to spend slightly more while bringing up the lower market teams by giving them the taxed money.

Quote: Originally Posted by DrJones

Mid-season? Hmm, no I don't think so. Pre-season? I can think of at least one very famous example. Personal anecdote: Game 7 of Oilers/Kings was April 15, 1989 and was joined in progress on HNIC immediately following the end of Canucks/Flames (the Stan Smyl breakaway/Joel Otto kick-in game). 16-year-old me was absolutely traumatized/furious and I let out my frustrations while watching EDM/LA (I was cheering for the Kings because f*** Albertan teams, especially back then). So I let loose during that game with a nonstop stream of profanity that would've made Andrew Dice Clay blush (a very dated but era-appropriate reference). Of course, this was the 80s and my parents weren't rich, so we only had one TV and my cursing barrage was directed at the "family" set. Now my Dad had threatened to kick my *** before (he never did), but this was the only night where I was threatened with institutionalization if I didn't shut the f*** up! Good times.

Mid season is the key. Usually trading your captain mid season is a big sign of a rebuild. But then going on to make the playoffs AND facing the team he's now with would be something.