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  • dipset2050
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    • Oct 2004
    • 77

    #1

    Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

    Just hear me out........

    Begin Rant:

    First and foremeost, let me start by saying that I absolutely love this site. I love NBA 2K11. I also love my wife. But just b/c you love something doesn't mean that it/they can't have negatives impacts on your life in certain instances.

    I pose the question b/c I've been an avid reader at this website for a few years yet rarely post. I've gotten familiar enough with your screen names and posts that I have formed opinions on some of you (which is odd but so 21st century).

    So I gotta say that I feel that certain things have gotten so outta control that it's beyond ridiculous. Games come out on schedule and within 72 hours, people are saying its broken, it's horrible, its the greatest game ever created, I don't like this or that. 3 days. How many games can you have possibly played in 72 hours to form a true opinion on a game? Would you marry someone you knew for 3 days? Would you change cities b/c you visited for 3 days? Hopefully not. Yet, we've got patch lists/requests/DEMANDS up within 72 hours. And I get that and that's cool. The internet allows everyone to speak and rightfully so - even though ALL shouldn't speak.

    And herein lies the problem.

    It's one thing when you have a situation like a NBA Elite 11 where the issues are so glaring and are a core context of the game that you cannot operate as one should normally or its such a departure from the norm that it's startling. But what happens on here is a lot of whining and complaining and ridiculous requests from everything from sock colors to THE SHADE OF PURPLE ON A JERSEY.

    So why do I mention this?

    B/C from what I can tell of this last roster update - 2K is listening.

    And that scares me.

    The biggest discovery that was made about NBA2K11 was that 3 specific game styles would be offered. We all know what they are. People were finally given options on how they wanted the game to play. If I want a closer to reality simulation style game, I could finally do that. And it was PERFECT. Real shooting percentages. More foul calls. Real scores. FINALLY!!!!!!!! A game that RESEMBLED (not cloned - it's a videogame, people) what COULD HAPPEN in a real life NBA setting.

    Gameplay was changed across the board. Improvements made. The closest we've ever come to complete control of your player. True defensive rotations. Plays that got you shots.

    But guess what happened....

    Instead of taking, what - a week - to adjust to the game, learn the controls and adapt to the new surroundings, we make boisterous claims about it being to difficult, too much work and practically admitting that our egos are too large to simply just tailor the game to what we want.

    In my opinion, 2K should've stood their ground and forced the people - us - to play the game THE WAY THEY INTENDED IT for 30 days. The season doesn't even start until the end of the month. It's not like we wouldn't have waited - we've done that before. The game scored a 9.5 as is so why cave to the whims of a few that can solve their issues through sliders and the like? Why not just add a lobby for each difficulty? No, instead they make change to the core gameplay via an official roster update so that way they appease the current screamers and awaken new ones. Fantastic - so like the elephants v the donkeys.

    My brother just HAS to put the game on HOF difficulty. When I ask him why, he says he needs the challenge. Yet generally after 2 weeks of getting his head cracked or having to resort to parlor tricks to compete, he tweaks the sliders. So I always ask him this question - at what point are you tweaking the sliders to where it's not even HOF anymore? Why not just play it on Superstar?

    This is the first year where he headed my advice and it's as if he got a new disc. Superstar Simulation is how WE play. That's OUR NBA experience.

    But thanks to "our communities", now MY EXPERIENCE has been tainted from the original vision 2K gave us b/c others wouldn't simply do what should always be done - understand the game for what it is and set it up to the way YOU LIKE TO PLAY.

    What's the point of having a simulation setting if now all that 2K is going to do is cater to the changing winds of the 2000 different opinions they're trying to satisfy on their and this website?

    Sure I could just use the rosters stock or the previous update. But what about deals and trades and added players? So now I have to suffer on so many fronts b/c Joe Schmoo REFUSES to put the game on Pro/Default? That's preposterous.

    Gaming has gotten so supersoft its disgusting. This is why Madden will never be the too in-depth simulation that we "claim" we want. B/C the minute you make a simulation based on the actual tendencies of the sport, you get threads like - Is NBA2K11 TOO SIM?

    WOW.

    Wow.

    The bottom line is that no one wants to lose. Plain and simple. Everyone wants to feel like they can hang. Well this year 2K makes a game that shows you that you CAN'T HANG and instead of accepting the challenge, we push the game back to its former self.

    But why am I surprised b/c this seems to be the New America.

    Can't wait to see how much of 2K11 is made to become 2K10.

    End of demo.
    Last edited by dipset2050; 10-14-2010, 04:00 PM. Reason: Edited for grammar
  • Sam Marlowe
    Banned
    • Aug 2010
    • 1230

    #2
    Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

    You know what...excellent post.

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    • jeremym480
      Speak it into existence
      • Oct 2008
      • 18198

      #3
      Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

      Nice rant. I agree.

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      • amedawg00
        2K OL Legend
        • Jan 2008
        • 2884

        #4
        Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

        Just had to interrupt my project here at work to commend on you on this post....

        I think 2K11 has exposed many for not being as dedicated to the sim nation as they thought they were. Instead of readily admitting that, most are resorting to rant/gripes/grievance type threads. This game is not for the faint of heart, nor is it pick up and play. The learning curve is steep with how deep the game and controls are, yet many are seeking potential game killing patches instead of getting better through in-game action and practice mode.
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        • NINJAK2
          *S *dd*ct
          • Jan 2003
          • 6185

          #5
          Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

          dipset2050....... What a post! 2k listens..alot. We should be very careful what we claim to say needs fixing because of that fact...
          Last edited by NINJAK2; 10-14-2010, 03:10 PM.
          EA and 2k have the unfortunate task of trying to balance on a tightrope of fun and sim while trying not to fall 10,000 feet to their death. Instead of a safety net waiting down below there will just be angry customers quick to move out of the way and talk of their failure.

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          • staffan
            Rookie
            • Feb 2003
            • 263

            #6
            Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

            Good post!

            It is really scary if they try to please the few who complains via OS or other forums when the rest of the gamers/players are content and busy playing the game.

            But, maybe we shall use more than 3 days to evaluate the new "patch"

            I only tried it for one game and I did not like it.

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            • staffan
              Rookie
              • Feb 2003
              • 263

              #7
              Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

              Originally posted by amedawg00
              Just had to interrupt my project here at work to commend on you on this post....

              I think 2K11 has exposed many for not being as dedicated to the sim nation as they thought they were. Instead of readily admitting that, most are resorting to rant/gripes/grievance type threads. This game is not for the faint of heart, nor is it pick up and play. The learning curve is steep with how deep the game and controls are, yet many are seeking potential game killing patches instead of getting better through in-game action and practice mode.
              Yes, but what I do not understand is why people don´t play on casual if the game
              is too difficult/complicated/sim.

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              • nike_air3
                Rookie
                • Mar 2003
                • 24

                #8
                Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

                I mostly come on here to read what everyone says and get tips and what not but I had to comment and say that you've nailed this one right on the head.

                NICE JOB MAN!!!!!

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                • the_future420
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 3086

                  #9
                  Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

                  Good post.

                  I'm glad that 2k is listening to our complaints and its affecting change in the game, but I agree that people are complaining too much.

                  I still believe however that fast breaks are broken to some extent,help defense could be better and fouls need to improve. However outside of that, this game is ace. Haven't tried the update yet so I don't know how that affects things.
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                  • Chairman7w
                    MVP
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 1490

                    #10
                    Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

                    THIS:

                    Originally posted by dipset2050

                    But why am I surprised b/c this seems to be the New America.
                    WHen I was a kid, and I bought a bag of Nacho Cheese Doritos, every now and then you'd pull one out of the bag that was *really* *coated with the Nacho Cheese flavoring, and it was AWESOME!!

                    Nowadays, EVERY chip in the bag is like that, and the specialness of it is gone.

                    Seriously, it's indicative of what Dipset is referring to. America is spoiled and soft. Not sure exactly what all this means, but I don't think it's good.

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                    • FBeaule04
                      MVP
                      • Apr 2005
                      • 1119

                      #11
                      Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

                      I will reply the same as I replied to a person on XBOX.com about the fact he was tired about whinners who say games are this and that only few minutes after they are out.

                      First thing first, it won't be nice what I will say, but when I'm going on a forum, I'm assuming they will be 80% of negative feedback and 20% of positive feedback.

                      My assumption stands from the fact that people who like the game are playing it, and if they are writing about it, it's more related to the fact that they are at work or school!

                      When you dislike something, it's easy to go on a forum and starting taking jabs at it. Matter of fact, I would take someone seriously if he says the game is broke after playing 100 games but how come we can take someone seriously when he played 2-3 games and got beat so that game is crap?

                      I'm new to NBA 2K, so can't really compare, but for NHL, I'm seriously playing the game for the last 4 years. When you speak about the fact that companies are starting to listen about what's beeing said on forums and that's scary, your touching a solid point.

                      With NHL 11, there was people on EA Sports.com, XBOX.com, and other sites that were complaining about the fact they couldn't score at all. Games are ending 2-1, 3-2, I can't score, bla bla bla. So, what EA did was come up with a tuner that made the goalies less efficient. Results, online game were back to 6-5 but glitch shots made their way back in the process.

                      What companies need to understand, is that serious gamers will adapt. When your game is good, like NHL 11 and NBA 2K11 for exemple, it's not the company that should adjust to players, but players who should adjust to the game.

                      Anybody working in a company, isn't feeling great about his new job on first day. There's a learning curve, there's a share of abilities you have combined with the environment your in, that will take sometimes to install. Same with the game.

                      Best exemple would be this one. When Gears of War 2 went on the market, it took not even 8 hours before people started to complain about the fact they couldn't shoot people head shot from any distance like they use to do! **** simply made the game more realistic, and there was a bunch of whinners going at the company for breaking the game.

                      I'm not living in USA, I live in Quebec, and saying that's it's the new America is an understatement. What do you do when people aren't able to learn the french language? You made every attempt to get new words and change grammar rules for kids to get their grades in french classes.

                      What do you do because someone as 40% in maths? Geez, you will destroy is self-esteem in comparison with other kids. So you get the grades out, replace them by smilies and adding empty phrases like : "Your kid is having some difficulties applying rules but he is excellent at reading them."

                      Gaming isn't different than real life in the sense that people will never take the responsibilities of their failure. You don't suck at the game, no. The game suck and isn't good, it's Take Two fault if that game isn't letting me shine, just like EA did everything to make me feel bad while not let me scored 7-8 goals a game with shots having a ridiculous success rate!

                      I don't say we have to embrace and pray companies like Take Two, EA or **** for their work and put our heads in the sand. There's nothing perfect in life, that's a fact. But anyone honest here will agree that NHL 11 and NBA 2K11, are two of the best sports games ever made.

                      If your willing to forget what you learned and adapt to a new reality, there's no way you come out and say that these games are broken.

                      Just my two cents!
                      "Ice hockey is a form of disorderly conduct in which the score is kept." - Doug Larson

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                      • ZoneBlitz
                        MVP
                        • Jun 2003
                        • 1402

                        #12
                        Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

                        Agree with the OP. Great post!
                        When the game is on the line, winners want the ball.

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                        • erickonasis
                          MVP
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 3016

                          #13
                          Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

                          This my man is an EXCELLENT POST....Some people DEFINITELY need to read this
                          SLIDERS SUCK

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                          • staffan
                            Rookie
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 263

                            #14
                            Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

                            Originally posted by Chairman7w
                            THIS:



                            WHen I was a kid, and I bought a bag of Nacho Cheese Doritos, every now and then you'd pull one out of the bag that was *really* *coated with the Nacho Cheese flavoring, and it was AWESOME!!

                            Nowadays, EVERY chip in the bag is like that, and the specialness of it is gone.

                            Seriously, it's indicative of what Dipset is referring to. America is spoiled and soft. Not sure exactly what all this means, but I don't think it's good.
                            It is not only America...

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                            • NINJAK2
                              *S *dd*ct
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 6185

                              #15
                              Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

                              Another great post FB..Excellent job.
                              EA and 2k have the unfortunate task of trying to balance on a tightrope of fun and sim while trying not to fall 10,000 feet to their death. Instead of a safety net waiting down below there will just be angry customers quick to move out of the way and talk of their failure.

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