Did We Get Bamboozled?

[Gosens6]

Prior to release, 2K was promising a full featured, next gen experience. We all know now that they were exaggerating quite a bit.

They failed to mention a few things to us before we all bought the game.

1. No CAP, at all..

2. No saving of rosters to your HDD

3. Once you create a save while being connected to the 2K servers, you HAVE to be connected at all times to use these saves.

4. VC being EVERYWHERE, not just in MyCareer or MyTeam. (Along with prices still being ridiculously high, in some cases even higher than CG)

5. We were promised a groundbreaking experience with MyGM. So far all we got is crazy high VC prices to do anything, the same flaws from CG, and some new gamebreaking bugs riddled through the mode, it's basically unplayable.

6. MyCareer is scripted beyond belief, for the first time in this mode it doesn't even feel like we're controlling our own character, we're just playing out a story. When the game wants your team to lose, or you to have a bad game, you're basically forced to play poorly to further the story. Not what we wanted, not how it should be.

7. Defensive settings removed for POE. We're still not 100% on how these actually work.

These are just a few of the multitude of issues, missing things, game breaking bugs in certain modes, etc. So, my question to you all is, do you feel like 2K played us all when they made the promises they did? Graphics are great, gameplay is good, but I feel like they lied to us when they promised a fully featured next gen title.

Just a few more from a fellow poster:

Only 1 roster save at a time as far as I can tell. I tried to save a second roster and it saved over my first one.
-no playoffs mode
-no multiplayer association
-terrible menu
-editing rosters- player roles edits dont "stick"- revert back to original
-editing sliders- several edits dont "stick"-have to be reset every time you play a quick game
-have to download your roster every time to play a quick game
-no custom roster under NBA Today
-no official roster updates yet- missing players-this is the one thing that will eventually get corrected?
-no options to turn off bad cpu ai for trades/player roles/fa signings
-rotations get reset by cpu in season mode for cpu teams-terrible rotation logic-still broken

[Phreak50]

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2. No saving of rosters to your HDD

3. Once you create a save while being connected to the 2K servers, you HAVE to be connected at all times to use these saves.

These two are a disgrace tbh. I create my own roster... to save it am forced to upload to 2K servers. Then to use it, it must then download it each time (strangely upwards of 2, 3 minutes).


But yeah the other points are true. Good game, but if you played current gen to death as I did, this is just a $60 tech demo.

[RangersCruz]

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I agree but i like the new MyCareer over the same boring game after game

[Gosens6]

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I agree but i like the new MyCareer over the same boring game after game

I would like it, but often times the story doesn't even make sense. I had a bad night and need to practice my jumpshooting? I just scored 31 points on 50% shooting from the field, okay coach.

Then, I'm averaging over 20 points a game, and shooting at a high percentage, but my coach isn't happy with my performance? Okay, coach.

Our team HAS to lose this game to further along the corny story, so, my teammates and myself are blowing WIDE open layups, i'm talking wide open. Not once or twice in a game, but several times. Low and behold, a cutscene about how we lost the game blah blah blah, what a fun mode.

[VDusen04]

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I think some of the symptoms were there. I know some grew tired of my skeptical point of view prior to release, and I apologize if I became grating, but I attempted to respectfully convey that I felt my stance was within reason.

As some others have suggested in the past few weeks, I feel there's a divide at 2K between designers who want to make an artistic masterpiece (i.e. chasing the dream of making the best basketball simulation of all-time) and those who want to make 2K the most lucrative business possible. Both stances are understandable, but I feel only one of them is hampering the integrity of the product right now.

As such, with the crazy #OMG social networking hype, vague assurances, and radio silence over very important core questions, I didn't really know what 2K had in store, but I felt a fair amount of uncomfortable surprises were likely. Some aspects of 2K have begun to shift and I noticed this in 2K13. 2K14 only seemed to continue on that path (ex: marketing that felt like, "We're giving you guys exactly what you begged for: a poor man's LikeMike storyline in MyPlayer!")

I was hoping for the best this year but you guys may know from my posts I had a lot of hesitations. 2K has moved from Day One purchase for me to Wait-and-See, and that really bums me out. I wish we could trust marketing's every word about new experiences and fantastic fun and revolution and extraordinary upgrades but again, it's their job to portray that look, so it's not that simple for us anymore.

[Gosens6]

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I think some of the symptoms were there. I know some grew tired of my skeptical point of view prior to release, but I attempted to respectfully convey that I felt my stance was within reason.

As some others have suggested in the past few weeks, I feel there's a divide at 2K between designers who want to make an artistic masterpiece (i.e. chasing the dream of making the best basketball simulation of all-time) and those who want to make 2K the most lucrative business possible. Both stances are understandable, but I feel only one of them is hampering the integrity of the product right now.

As such, with the crazy #OMG social networking hype, vague assurances, and radio silence over very important core questions, I didn't really know what 2K had in store, but I felt a fair amount of uncomfortable surprises were likely. Some aspects of 2K have begun to shift and I noticed this in 2K13. 2K14 seemed to continue on that path (ex: marketing that felt like, "We're given you guys exactly what you begged for: a poor man's LikeMike storyline in MyPlayer!")

I was hoping for the best this year but you guys may know from my posts I had a lot of hesitations. 2K has moved from Day One purchase for me to Wait-and-See, and that really bums me out. I wish we could trust marketing's every word about new experiences and fantastic fun and revolution and extraordinary upgrades but again, it's their job to portray that look, so it's not that simple for us anymore.

Perfectly said! They've done this the last two years, and the increase of VC throughout the entire game has turned me off tremendously. If you're going to force us to use VC with everything, don't lie to us about what we're buying at least.

Iv'e bought this game faithfully every single year on launch day since NBA 2K. 2K15 might be the first time I hold out a month or so to see what they put out and if it's even worth getting frustrated about. It's sad really, they're becoming everything we don't want them to be.

[RangersCruz]

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I would like it, but often times the story doesn't even make sense. I had a bad night and need to practice my jumpshooting? I just scored 31 points on 50% shooting from the field, okay coach.

Then, I'm averaging over 20 points a game, and shooting at a high percentage, but my coach isn't happy with my performance? Okay, coach.

Our team HAS to lose this game to further along the corny story, so, my teammates and myself are blowing WIDE open layups, i'm talking wide open. Not once or twice in a game, but several times. Low and behold, a cutscene about how we lost the game blah blah blah, what a fun mode.

Rumors were they were making a wwe like storyline so doesn't really surprise me when it forces your team to lose

[bamalam]

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I was just wondering if anyone had compiled all the issues in 1 thread/post.


IGNORE IF ALREADY LISTED ELSEWHERE

I would like to see all the issues get added to the op if possible, so 2k can see all of them at 1 time, and os guys can find them all-

Maybe guys can start listing here and we can get them all added to op?

-Only 1 roster save at a time as far as I can tell. I tried to save a second roster and it saved over my first one.
-no playoffs mode
-no multiplayer association/no 30 teamcontrol
-terrible menu
-editing rosters- player roles edits dont "stick"- revert back to original
-editing sliders- several edits dont "stick"-have to be reset every time you play a quick game
-have to download your roster every time to play a quick game
-no custom roster under NBA Today
-no official roster updates yet- missing players-this is the one thing that will eventually get corrected?
-no options to turn off bad cpu ai for trades/player roles/fa signings
-rotations get reset by cpu in season mode for cpu teams-terrible rotation logic-still broken

[Vni]

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Called it. Beta version in full effect. People make fun of EA sports and they should but this version of nba 2K seems to be pretty terrible outside of the on court gameplay.

[dukebeatsuncagain]

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So glad I didn't get PS4.

[cthurt]

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I just want to know will the features we loved from current gen be put into next gen at all...or is this new direction just the way its going to be because I can't find one new feature they added in next gen that I'm happy with besides the graphics.

Since I bought a PS4 on release mainly for this game my system is collecting more dust then playing time with no roster update or gameplay patch released yet. Must say I'm losing a lot of confidence in 2k they use to be my go to game but lately they have become my most frustrating purchase over the last few years.

[RangersCruz]

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I just want to know will the features we loved from current gen be put into next gen at all...or is this new direction just the way its going to be because I can't find one new feature they added in next gen that I'm happy with besides the graphics.

Since I bought a PS4 on release mainly for this game my system is collecting more dust then playing time with no roster update or gameplay patch released yet. Must say I'm losing a lot of confidence in 2k they use to be my go to game but lately they have become my most frustrating purchase over the last few years.

i hope you didn't really spend over 400 bucks for one game

[seanbarkley]

Did We Get Bamboozled?

Prior to release, 2K was promising a full featured, next gen experience. We all know now that they were exaggerating quite a bit.

They failed to mention a few things to us before we all bought the game.

1. No CAP, at all..

2. No saving of rosters to your HDD

3. Once you create a save while being connected to the 2K servers, you HAVE to be connected at all times to use these saves.

4. VC being EVERYWHERE, not just in MyCareer or MyTeam. (Along with prices still being ridiculously high, in some cases even higher than CG)

5. We were promised a groundbreaking experience with MyGM. So far all we got is crazy high VC prices to do anything, the same flaws from CG, and some new gamebreaking bugs riddled through the mode, it's basically unplayable.

6. MyCareer is scripted beyond belief, for the first time in this mode it doesn't even feel like we're controlling our own character, we're just playing out a story. When the game wants your team to lose, or you to have a bad game, you're basically forced to play poorly to further the story. Not what we wanted, not how it should be.

7. Defensive settings removed for POE. We're still not 100% on how these actually work.

These are just a few of the multitude of issues, missing things, game breaking bugs in certain modes, etc. So, my question to you all is, do you feel like 2K played us all when they made the promises they did? Graphics are great, gameplay is good, but I feel like they lied to us when they promised a fully featured next gen title.

Just a few more from a fellow poster:

Only 1 roster save at a time as far as I can tell. I tried to save a second roster and it saved over my first one.
-no playoffs mode
-no multiplayer association
-terrible menu
-editing rosters- player roles edits dont "stick"- revert back to original
-editing sliders- several edits dont "stick"-have to be reset every time you play a quick game
-have to download your roster every time to play a quick game
-no custom roster under NBA Today
-no official roster updates yet- missing players-this is the one thing that will eventually get corrected?
-no options to turn off bad cpu ai for trades/player roles/fa signings
-rotations get reset by cpu in season mode for cpu teams-terrible rotation logic-still broken

Couldn't have said it better man. Seeing the huge amount of things they stripped from previous games and the amount of horrible new ideas they added, it seems impossible that in any patch, or even in next year game they can address all this disaster. This will take 2-3 years at best.

[VDusen04]

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I just want to know will the features we loved from current gen be put into next gen at all...or is this new direction just the way its going to be because I can't find one new feature they added in next gen that I'm happy with besides the graphics.

Since I bought a PS4 on release mainly for this game my system is collecting more dust then playing time with no roster update or gameplay patch released yet. Must say I'm losing a lot of confidence in 2k they use to be my go to game but lately they have become my most frustrating purchase over the last few years.

I think that's the big question. Are these weird hiccups, like ESPN NBA Basketball 2004, or is this a long term direction change? I hope it's not the latter, but I have a feeling it might be.

The unfortunate part here is there's no longer a viable basketball simulation alternative if 2K really does continue down a lame path in certain regards. If 2K continues pursuing VC, movie storylines, forced online connectivity for offline matters and limited customization, we don't have anywhere else to go - we're just out of luck.

I wonder if this is one of the unintended consequences of NBA Live's downfall. Whereas before 2K was able to hang their hat as the realistic, simulation-based alternative to Live's looser product, now it seems 2K's attempting to wear both hats: simulation and mass appeal (which aren't always one in the same).

But to go back to the direct topic at hand, I think it'd be wise for all to make educated decisions regarding their purchase next year. The hype is going to be there. People in charge at 2K are going to be touting all sorts of new aspects. I can already imagine their platform: "We didn't have the time to include all we wanted last year but now with a full year to focus, we've added everything you've ever wanted. We got back to our off-court simulation roots." And maybe there'll be some truth to such claims, but folks are probably going to want to be a little more cautious about such words.

[cthurt]

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i hope you didn't really spend over 400 bucks for one game

Naw I was going to buy a PS4 anyway but the reason I got it on release instead of later was to play 2k.