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  • DolfanDave
    Rookie
    • Dec 2002
    • 215

    #1

    Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

    I feel like Neo from Matrix because all I am hearing is how this is the best sports game ever from respected people all accross the internet but I played the game in less than one hour on September 25 and knew something wasn't right(aka a glitch in the matrix) but couldn't put a finger on it. But I eventually took the red pill to enter the painful world of reality that NBA 2K16 is fundamentally flawwed. I am hoping that I bring this to light and "open" the eyes of others so we can have the greatest sports game of all time or you can continue to take the blue pill but I am going to show you what is happening in this game that drives me nuts lol. Seriously , I understand it is me against the world on this but I can no longer say nothing as this game is one patch away from greatness.

    Things I was noticing was from one day was

    1. Frequent Defensive 3 seconds call
    2. Mixmatch defense at a high level without reason
    3. player confusion(ie players just leaving players)

    Now let me say these are not sporadic issues because what i listed above happens in previous 2K but not at this level which is why I was baffled that no one had a problem with it. So I waited to see if any of the simheads would pickup on it and address this glaring issue as I am more of a lurker than the guy that post 5 millions post.

    This is evident because I have been on OS since 2002 so I am a silent "old head" that occasionally speaks but religiously ckeckin daily. So I took it upon my self to start to analyze why these problems I listed above is happening at such a high rate to where it is crippling my love for the greatest sports publisher ever.

    I am a huge video gamer and particularly a huge sports playing video gamer. The only reason I have bought video games consoles was for sports games starting with the sega dreamcast. I still have almost every 2k title so I ain't no noob. Second I have been playing video games since my mom got me Pong from Sears & Roebuck(yeah I am old lol). I say all this because I dont want to be discredited before you even look at the hours I took out my schedule to show a fundamental flaw in the game. A game series I absolutely love so hopefully a dev can see this and address it in a patch

    Let me state that this game can be the greatest sports game in my lifetime and hoping that it is something the dev team can fix. which is saying allot as I have played atari football(hey it was all we had back then) madden, joe montana football, 10 yard fight, Run N Gun, 2k5, tv sports football, Hardball & Basketball(threw that in for the old school pc heads).

    So after all that intro I am now going to go in to detail with the problem with NBA 2K16 with video.

    The Computer AI On Transition Defense is broken(This is not an opinion!!)

    How can you say that? Because I have video proof of an issue that happens 90% of the time on transition defense.

    I have found the root problem which is that on a missed shot or free throw 2 players on defense runs to a preprogram spot and plays zone defense on the strong side to protect from a fast break. The problem is they do this no matter the situation or who they are guarding. So even when there is no fast break opportunity players leave their players creating a fast break opportunities. Players will leave their man IN TRANSITION to go to a preprogrammed spot on the court. And they linger in this zone defense even after the ballhandler crosses the half court line which cause even more problem .

    And to answer some questions in advance

    What level are you playing?

    Superstar Sim

    This ain't a big problem?

    Transition Defense is about 55% of the game people. I know this because shooting percentages are around 45%. So when 55% of what you do is flawed 90% of the time then we have a problem. For example if I told you that in Madden on 2nd and 3rd down the cb guarding the wr leaves the wr and go into a zone leaving the wr wide open even though they should be in man would you say that madden is the best sports game ever?

    Why dont you switch to the player doing dumb stuff?
    I can control only one player at a time I can't fix 2-3 players doing dumb stuff. plus as an offline gamer mainly i have no control of the cpu.

    This doesn't happen in my game?
    Let me be clear after every missed shot 2 players will turn away and just run to a spot I dont care if you own a XBOX or PS4 it is happening on your game


    Let me state that I am not a youtuber so some of the video audio is bad as it was recorded from xbox one on twitch and there was lagging issues so I apologize for that but nothing in my control. I tried labeling all the ones with bad audio. Also some audio is out of sync but the video is crystal clear.

    If you only watch a few videos you must watch the one labeled "example 1" first as that one explain the root cause of the transition defense with video proof and the audio dont start out good and is over 7 minutes(i apologize as it explains in detail the problem) the other videos are about 3-4 on average. The link is to example 1 but I have 20 more on that channel.



    I am adding this additional link which is all the videos showing why this a 90% of the time problem as the first link just shows one of the issues not that the issues is always the same but based on the 3 things I mentioned above.



    Thanks for your time
    Last edited by DolfanDave; 10-02-2015, 10:29 PM. Reason: Adding additional link
  • domp242
    Rookie
    • Sep 2013
    • 142

    #2
    Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

    I've played it since it came out pre order n I agree with you...the transition defense sucks...online its worse... I play on hof Sim..been doing so since 2k12..I'm no rookie...one patch n the game is perfect no other complaints..just that transition defense...

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    • DolfanDave
      Rookie
      • Dec 2002
      • 215

      #3
      Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

      Originally posted by domp242
      I've played it since it came out pre order n I agree with you...the transition defense sucks...online its worse... I play on hof Sim..been doing so since 2k12..I'm no rookie...one patch n the game is perfect no other complaints..just that transition defense...

      Sent from my SM-G850M using Tapatalk
      You don't understand how glad I am to not be the only one seeing this but this is a huge problem as transition defense is half the gameplay which effects the game immensely and it is completely broken so how can this game be the GOAT?

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      • The 24th Letter
        ERA
        • Oct 2007
        • 39438

        #4
        Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

        Ill never understand why folks get so upset that people are enjoying the game....

        Good video, hopefully we can get this ironed out....this isn't the only transition issue either....some times players that get back square their body too soon and some one sneaks in behind them for an easy score....

        Only thing I'll disagree with is that it happens every time.....if my wing was that open every fast break I'd be doing a lot better online, lol


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        • apollooff320
          Banned
          • Oct 2007
          • 1462

          #5
          Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

          I agree with the OP but that's not the only problems I've been seeing. A lot of ppl are in the honeymoon phase or playing mycareer right now so they won't be spotting a lot of the problem right away. Also when ppl do post problems they see u get the usual "your stick skills may be bad" or some other ******** bull crap. Just wait another few weeks and ppl won't be blind and start pointing out all the problems with the game. Then the devs will patch the issues.
          Last edited by apollooff320; 10-02-2015, 08:32 PM.

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          • DolfanDave
            Rookie
            • Dec 2002
            • 215

            #6
            Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

            Originally posted by The 24th Letter
            Ill never understand why folks get so upset that people are enjoying the game....

            Good video, hopefully we can get this ironed out....this isn't the only transition issue either....some times players that get back square their body too soon and some one sneaks in behind them for an easy score....

            Only thing I'll disagree with is that it happens every time.....if my wing was that open every fast break I'd be doing a lot better online, lol


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            I never stated everytime. 90% of the time. And I am not exaggerating. On transition 2 players goes to two preprogrammed spots. You can check it out for yourself. It causes mixmatch, players being lost 90% of time. If you doubt my 90% claim I ask that you post just 5 videos after a missed shot and I guarantee you see the same thing on my video. Again this is a legacy issue that got worst. It happen in NBA 2k15 and I didn't have a problem but it is worst this year which causes major issues as transition d is the majority of the game. But I am glad you see it also because if they can clean that up a bit I will be a happy camper but as is this game isn't the GOAT is all I am saying.

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            • The 24th Letter
              ERA
              • Oct 2007
              • 39438

              #7
              Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

              Sure, there's always honeymoon phase...

              but there's also guys looking for a reason to divorce as soon as they "I do"

              It's like they get excited about finding issues or something to complain about....how is that **** fun? I don't get it....

              Now as for the topic at hand OP.....I'll test it for myself in an actual game, I personally don't trust practice mode...I definitely have seen it before though .....but 90% sounds a bit high to me. I'll post my results here.

              Side note: I wouldn't get so worked up over people calling it the GOAT....if that's how they feel that's how they feel....devs will still come here and make adjustments either way...

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              • Taer
                MVP
                • Sep 2011
                • 1436

                #8
                Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                This year, I've been spending most of my time trying to get my controls down correctly. I am not really analyzing every play at the moment, so I can't really comment on everything.

                I have noticed that the slower teams' transitional play is at a much lower level than the faster teams but I was not aware of anything certain outside of the occasional cherry pick.

                I do know there are legacy issues brought forth from 2K15 and prior - first patching really needs to take place before I can say these are concerns going forward because some if not most of these are always addressed with the first patching.

                The things that make this year on the level of 2K11 for me are the overall presentation of systems and mechanics. For example, the game-play graphics ( the stats, score, etc) really help immerse me better than at any time since 2K11. There is a lot offered by the dev teams and I need to explore more of the game before saying more.

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                • DolfanDave
                  Rookie
                  • Dec 2002
                  • 215

                  #9
                  Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                  Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                  Ill never understand why folks get so upset that people are enjoying the game....

                  Good video, hopefully we can get this ironed out....this isn't the only transition issue either....some times players that get back square their body too soon and some one sneaks in behind them for an easy score....

                  Only thing I'll disagree with is that it happens every time.....if my wing was that open every fast break I'd be doing a lot better online, lol


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                  Oh let me just add that the problem isn't that your wing man is open everytime. The problem is that depending on which player are preprogramed determines what issues on defense you have so one time they might leave wing defender open another time the wing definders aren't the preprogrammed player but you still will have a mismatch because they left a player going up the center or they stay with the wing defender then leave that guy in half court because the preprogrammed players stay zoned up 2 long. I have every scenaio on video you just watched one video and assumed that's my problem. I have 21 videos showing all the problems from this and it is 90% not 90% wing man being to be clear but have video for all the issues that happen from broken tansition . Im rambling now lol

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                  • jfsolo
                    Live Action, please?
                    • May 2003
                    • 12992

                    #10
                    Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                    The issues that are in the OP are pretty obvious to anyone playing the game with anything resembling a critical eye. It's not the kind of thing that generates much discussion for some reason. I'm 100% certain that it will be fixed. Beluba and the boys have to know that it's there and they'll fix it. I just hope that it's not a month from now. I'm not good enough to beat the CPU with the free points that this bug allows.
                    Jordan Mychal Lemos
                    @crypticjordan

                    Do this today: Instead of $%*#!@& on a game you're not going to play or movie you're not going to watch, say something good about a piece of media you're excited about.

                    Do the same thing tomorrow. And the next. Now do it forever.

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                    • Rockie_Fresh88
                      Lockdown Defender
                      • Oct 2011
                      • 9684

                      #11
                      Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                      Some of the issues are legit but then some of them are from not understanding the game
                      #1 Laker fan
                      First Team Defense !!!

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                      • landman2069
                        Rookie
                        • Sep 2015
                        • 352

                        #12
                        Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                        Yeah you identify the exploit flaw that just kills me. I'm racing back into an offscreen defense situation when they bomb a pass and turbo with John wall. By the time my guys are in place I am in bounding the ball. This is really bad online.

                        However this game is amazing in the other areas of play. That's why people are saying it's the best and I agree with that too. It has the best potential for sure. Really good job by 2k.

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                        • EarvGotti
                          MVP
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 2270

                          #13
                          Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                          I will agree, the transition defense in this game is HORRIBLE.

                          This is one thing that needs to be fixed for sure. Along with help defense in the paint.
                          Lineup:
                          PG) Gary Payton
                          SG) '95-'96 Michael Jordan
                          SF) Sapphire Scottie Pippen
                          PF) '95-'96 Dennis Rodman
                          C) Hakeem Olajuwon

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                          • DolfanDave
                            Rookie
                            • Dec 2002
                            • 215

                            #14
                            Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                            Originally posted by Rockie_Fresh88
                            Some of the issues are legit but then some of them are from not understanding the game
                            I will just say your response prove you didn't read my problem let alone watch video proof of what I was saying with the game. I believe in constructive criticism so if you have a valid point explain it and I can accept that but random comments with no explanation don't add to the discussion.

                            Because I listed 3 things and the root of the problem which has nothing to do with a player skill because this is a computer issue not a human issue. I don't care how great or bad you are at 2k 2 players will leave their man to go to preprogrammed spot in transition. Again the problem is the computer ai transition defense which I can't control when I am on offense as I mainly play offline but even the few videos on defense I can't control 2-3 players simultaneous doing dumb stuff and most of my 21 videos shows me playing offense getting wide open shots because the cpu created a fastbreak opportunity for me when there wasn't one and if there was no open shots on the wing then I am getting ideal mismatch not based on play but because of computer controlled ai so your answer makes no sense to me. But I seriously welcome you in a real discussion on how I can make a computer ai do something through sliders or what not but stick skills won't solve this computer ai problem

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                            • DolfanDave
                              Rookie
                              • Dec 2002
                              • 215

                              #15
                              Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                              Originally posted by EarvGotti
                              I will agree, the transition defense in this game is HORRIBLE.

                              This is one thing that needs to be fixed for sure. Along with help defense in the paint.
                              I'm going to be honest Earvgotti. If they fix just this I will shut the heck up because this game does everything else so beautifully I can deal with the other small nagging issues but transition defense is half the game lol

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