Only 2 1/2 Weeks to EA Access and No Gameplay... Concerned?

[extremeskins04]

Re: Only 2 1/2 Weeks to EA Access and No Gameplay... Concerned?

There's a reason people on this forum wanted gameplay videos early and it's so they can dissect the issues, report back to EA to get them atleast aware ahead of time on those issue so they can possibly get those fixes on the day one release patch.

And for people that will say "you can't determine something is broken unless you experience it or play it". You couldn't be farther from the truth there. People have an incredible eye for this stuff.

[DeuceDouglas]

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I don't know if anybody else saw it but there was a Twitter video posted either yesterday or Friday from someone who works at EA at the event they were having. It's since been deleted but he was talking about how he was up 21-6 on one of the competitive Madden players and then "the game started freezing and s***" and ended up losing.

It's impossible to know what exactly he's talking about but that's probably the type of thing I'm worried most about. I'm not really concerned with anything being "wrong" with gameplay, I pretty much know exactly what to expect. But with the engine change I kind of worry about that unforeseen issue that may come with the transition.

[RogerDodger]

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Agreed, and contrary to often stated opinion it doesn't bother me that they are acting entitled, it's actually almost comical to observe in fact.

You've completely missed the point about it having nothing to do with entitlement. I've spoken with enough devs, including Madden devs, to know they respect constructive feedback on stuff they know isn't perfect than those who aren't able to pick up on the fact it's ineffective or could be better.

[carnalnirvana]

Re: Only 2 1/2 Weeks to EA Access and No Gameplay... Concerned?

Not concerned because i am buying it around christmas so i will see enough of it post release.

i understand why people want to see it

[JayhawkerStL]

Re: Only 2 1/2 Weeks to EA Access and No Gameplay... Concerned?

There's a reason people on this forum wanted gameplay videos early and it's so they can dissect the issues, report back to EA to get them atleast aware ahead of time on those issue so they can possibly get those fixes on the day one release patch.

And for people that will say "you can't determine something is broken unless you experience it or play it". You couldn't be farther from the truth there. People have an incredible eye for this stuff.

Yes, I'm sure devs can't wait to hear from gamers whose main goal is to see the videos early so they can start pointing out everything they think is wrong publicly, even though they rarely have enough information to really do that.

Hence the new marketing strategy. I don't know why gamers think being so anxious to find and point out errors in videos they have not even seen yet is welcomed by the devs and publishers.

Feedback from playing the game? That's invaluable. Turning their marketing into a bitchfest? Seriously?

Bummed about not getting early videos? Blame those that see it as their job to pick apart the videos publishers hope will sell the game. Because once that is a thing, there is no longer a good reason to release them.


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[SolidSquid]

Re: Only 2 1/2 Weeks to EA Access and No Gameplay... Concerned?

Yes, I'm sure devs can't wait to hear from gamers whose main goal is to see the videos early so they can start pointing out everything they think is wrong publicly, even though they rarely have enough information to really do that.

Hence the new marketing strategy. I don't know why gamers think being so anxious to find and point out errors in videos they have not even seen yet is welcomed by the devs and publishers.

Feedback from playing the game? That's invaluable. Turning their marketing into a bitchfest? Seriously?

Bummed about not getting early videos? Blame those that see it as their job to pick apart the videos publishers hope will sell the game. Because once that is a thing, there is no longer a good reason to release them.


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I think the devs are self secure enough to deal with people pointing out flaws in the game. I don't have to play to play the game to see an issue.

[extremeskins04]

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Yes, I'm sure devs can't wait to hear from gamers whose main goal is to see the videos early so they can start pointing out everything they think is wrong publicly, even though they rarely have enough information to really do that.

Hence the new marketing strategy. I don't know why gamers think being so anxious to find and point out errors in videos they have not even seen yet is welcomed by the devs and publishers.

Feedback from playing the game? That's invaluable. Turning their marketing into a bitchfest? Seriously?

Bummed about not getting early videos? Blame those that see it as their job to pick apart the videos publishers hope will sell the game. Because once that is a thing, there is no longer a good reason to release them.


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Seriously?

Who said anything about a bitchfest? You assume it will be that way. What's the first post that gets created AND STICKIED when the game drops? A bug reporting thread. (which either the devs go through themselves or someone creates a master list and gives it to them)

Also there is usually a day one patch to take care of issues from the point of when the game goes gold until the release date. This is what early gameplay feedback comes from.

We're not out to get the devs with pitchforks and torches at their front door...

We want a working game and take care of the bugs as fast as possible so everyone can enjoy. I may be jumping the gun here but DD said he saw a post on Twitter with a video where it was removed very quickly cause the game was freezing when a dev and a competitive player were in a game.

Um, yea we need things like this fixed early...

[JayhawkerStL]

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Really has nothing to do with their insecurity, or lack thereof. Who wants to listen to a bunch of armchair game developers dissect a promotional video? Further, dissecting it and pointing out flaws, as though that is the purpose, only serves to undermine the marketing.

If people were just excited to see clips of a game they can't wait to play, early gameplay videos help build hype and sell games. If the members of the most visited sports gaming site see it as an opportunity to point out its flaws, it would be pretty dumb to release those videos any earlier than days before release, if at all. While some may whole heartedly believe they are an important cog in the development process, what they are really doing is creating an platform for gamers to talk about why they won't buy the game.

[roadman]

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I think you need to add in QA into the equation, too. EA's own testing and QA department might find bugs too close to when the game goes gold.

[extremeskins04]

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I think you need to add in QA into the equation, too. EA's own testing and QA department might find bugs too close to when the game goes gold.

Of course Road, but it's always good to have multiple eyes to look at things.

[roadman]

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Of course Road, but it's always good to have multiple eyes to look at things.

I was listing that along with the early eyes, not taking the early eyes out of the equation.

It's been a foregone conclusion that millions of eyes are better than the 1000 of eyes at a developer house.

[ggsimmonds]

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Often times it is hard to spot issues with early gameplay videos because of the people who post them. I cannot tell how certain aspects of the game are improved if the player does nothing but throw streaks. And that is what a lot of early videos in the past have been, casual cheesers.

I think the primary reason people want to see gameplay videos early is to satisfy their curiosity and they can be a bit impatient about it. It is a bit like waiting for a movie you are looking forward to to come out in theaters. In the end it makes no difference if you see it now or 2 months from now, but if given the choice you'd prefer to see it now.

I don't believe for one minute the reason is to spot bugs. If the bug is such that it is visible to you in a brief gameplay video then it is known to the developers. And for the reason of type of gamer who usually posts the video, balancing and tuning of features is not a benefit either.

No, the main reason is people want to see how certain mechanics are implemented, how the interface looks, etc.

[OhMrHanky]

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Really has nothing to do with their insecurity, or lack thereof. Who wants to listen to a bunch of armchair game developers dissect a promotional video? Further, dissecting it and pointing out flaws, as though that is the purpose, only serves to undermine the marketing.



If people were just excited to see clips of a game they can't wait to play, early gameplay videos help build hype and sell games. If the members of the most visited sports gaming site see it as an opportunity to point out its flaws, it would be pretty dumb to release those videos any earlier than days before release, if at all. While some may whole heartedly believe they are an important cog in the development process, what they are really doing is creating an platform for gamers to talk about why they won't buy the game.

U see both, here, man. People tend to talk about helping finding bugs and whatnot. But, I'm pretty sure if u look at early gameplay forum posts from last few years, you'll find both good and bad. People were digging the tightened jukes last year, as an example. And, some people post both pos and neg impressions.

I'm personally one of the people that just enjoys seeing early game footage cause I'm curious to see if some animations change or how smooth the game looks. As much as people often say every year, 'same old madden,' lol, there's always at least some minor variance in how the game 'moves'. So, again, I just enjoy seeing early to get an idea of what it's looking like. For me, the earlier I get it, the more hyped I get. The fact that videos are coming out so late prob isn't going to get me as hyped.

I think, maybe, also, I HATE baseball. So, the entire summer is garbage sports. Lol. So, I think I'm always ready to see some madden as early as possible.


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[DeuceDouglas]

Re: Only 2 1/2 Weeks to EA Access and No Gameplay... Concerned?

I think you need to add in QA into the equation, too. EA's own testing and QA department might find bugs too close to when the game goes gold.

True and I brought this up before but there's likely going to be more eyes seeing these videos than any amount of QA they've done, similar to what they've mentioned with release.

But I watch the videos like any other marketing device whether it be a commercial or movie preview. This forum also gives you the voice to provide your feedback on what you liked and didn't like about virtually every bit of Madden news and discuss it. It's not like I sit here watching every video on quarter speed looking for somebody to step wrong so I can come here and say "hee haw madden still sucks" and I know the vast majority of people don't do that either.

That being said, a lot of times you can't help but notice certain things. Just last year it only took me a couple videos to recognize that AI QB's weren't moving at all. It's something I would have liked to see them tweak but they didn't think it was an issue. I also remember seeing one MUT guy running around with Alan Branch in the secondary like he was Darren Sproles. A lot of people loved commentary last year and every year there's a lot of things I'm made aware of, good and bad, because people are noticing certain things I'm not.

There was probably more people complaining here about the YouTubers themselves last year than the actual game itself lol. This whole thing just seems overblown to me.

[roadman]

Re: Only 2 1/2 Weeks to EA Access and No Gameplay... Concerned?

True and I brought this up before but there's likely going to be more eyes seeing these videos than any amount of QA they've done, similar to what they've mentioned with release.

But I watch the videos like any other marketing device whether it be a commercial or movie preview. This forum also gives you the voice to provide your feedback on what you liked and didn't like about virtually every bit of Madden news and discuss it. It's not like I sit here watching every video on quarter speed looking for somebody to step wrong so I can come here and say "hee haw madden still sucks" and I know the vast majority of people don't do that either.

That being said, a lot of times you can't help but notice certain things. Just last year it only took me a couple videos to recognize that AI QB's weren't moving at all. It's something I would have liked to see them tweak but they didn't think it was an issue. I also remember seeing one MUT guy running around with Alan Branch in the secondary like he was Darren Sproles. A lot of people loved commentary last year and every year there's a lot of things I'm made aware of, good and bad, because people are noticing certain things I'm not.

There was probably more people complaining here about the YouTubers themselves last year than the actual game itself lol. This whole thing just seems overblown to me.

Yeah, I think I brought that up in a post later about more eyes seeing bugs/issues when you release videos early.

They tried something new this year, basically, they made their own bed, now they need to sleep in it.

It will be interesting if/when they change it up for next year.

I'm not sure if it would have helped any because people tend to stick what they feel is right, but maybe if they laid out a schedule earlier on in the process, maybe the noise would have been less or maybe not, too. lol