Madden NFL and the Future of Video Game Sports (Grantland)

[roadman]

^^^^

Very good well thought out post.

I'm not convinced Madden is as much as behind the times as people may think he is. He was very much involved in the hiring process of the Raiders new GM. He surely can't talk about yesteryear when interviewing the GM's, he has to talk in the now and the future.

We don't know what Madden does in his off time. He may consult with other teams in the league and knows what schemes they run.

He has a lot more time being retired than he did as announcer to keep up on things. If he is consulting with the Madden team, I would think and say he needs to be up to speed with what is going on now, not in the past.

[dfos81]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

^^^^ Very good well thought out post. I'm not convinced Madden is as much as behind the times as people may think he is. He was very much involved in the hiring process of the Raiders new GM. He surely can't talk about yesteryear when interviewing the GM's, he has to talk in the now and the future. We don't know what Madden does in his off time. He may consult with other teams in the league and knows what schemes they run. He has a lot more time being retired than he did as announcer to keep up on things. If he is consulting with the Madden team, I would think and say he needs to be up to speed with what is going on now, not in the past.

Exactly, I'm sure the EA/Tiburon team didn't spend hours looking at film from the 70's lol. If anything, they watched games from this year, and different schemes and coaching techniques.
What players different styles are and what makes them good/great.
It doesn't take a modern day coach or scout to breakdown what happened on a play by play basis.
I don't see how John Madden's input/feedback could possibly hold any football game back.

[Rocky]

The 22 players excuse is quite ridiculous IMO. It isn't like Madden is the first and only 11 on 11 football game ever made.

[shadia147]

Here's my problems with this article;
1) The writer openly admits to not watching "American" Football or Video Games regarding Football since the 1980's. So then , why exactly is he giving us his opinion??
2) As mentioned earlier, I'll reinterate... In all these breifings and watching games on TV, Has John Madden actually SEEN the video game himself? Or is he just getting "feature " Briefs from the Devs? Much like the articles we get from the same people hyping the game every year. It's one thing to have people TELLING you how wonderful the game is, it's another thing to actively be involved with PLAYING the game and seeing the issues yourself.
3) None of the DEVS actually played football beyond the high school level... This above everything else is a problem. You gotta have people who know the game involved with the game. Otherwise all this other stuff is all for naught. It has nopoint of reference.
It's like having Ken Burns tell us what it means to be a Jazz Musician.. How would he know if he's never played an instrument? Or been to a club? Or been on Heroin, or been discriminated against becauseof the color of his skin? How would Ken Burns qualify as an authority?
I ask the same question of this writer.

[steelersfan77]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rocky

The 22 players excuse is quite ridiculous IMO. It isn't like Madden is the first and only 11 on 11 football game ever made.

I'm not dissing the excuses, they're all very valid but at the same time you bring up a good point.

I think what it all comes down to was the programs and foundation that Madden and NCAA football were built upon. I don't think it was a very good idea with the power the new systems were able to deliver and are still delivering. Sometimes I wonder if the team that is in place now realizes this and would've opted in another direction?

I think when the time comes for the next generation of consoles that the time and effort needs to be weighed upon to make sure this game is the best representation of simulation football it can be for the most popular sport in the world. Well North America anyways. I'm no computer programs designer so I'll end my peace there.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by shadia147

Here's my problems with this article; 3) None of the DEVS actually played football beyond the high school level... This above everything else is a problem. You gotta have people who know the game involved with the game. Otherwise all this other stuff is all for naught. It has nopoint of reference.

Did you read the whole article?

Cam Weber started at QB in college, Larry Reichardt played QB in college and I know I'm missing some others who played college football.

Actually, Larry wasn't in the article, but I've know that from the past he played QB at one of the Florida colleges, which isn't low level.

[shadia147]

Sorry, I stand corrected. Nevertheless, they played at a very low level. I think one played in canada which is not the same.

[shadia147]

I've said this before.. But to me the perfect guy to have on the Dev team would be Peyton Manning.
A) He's a master of play vision.
And B) He probably plays the game in his spare time.
He'd be a natural to take over the Madden name some day.