12/3 Roster Update - TENDENCIES

[Real2KInsider]

Was brought to my attention by one of my followers ZionWilliamstan (not sure of their OS handle) that Touch & Shooting Tendencies were updated today.

More significantly, it appears that they changed the scales for Shot and Touch. If you find any changes to gameplay or simulation, post them here.

EDIT: 12/4/24 Roster Update

[pjt8405]

Just based of initial lookaround. It seems those were the only two re-scaled.

I wonder if one of these things is about to come along with today's update in the near future?

1. A playbook and or ACE update is coming and this was to account for those changes to GAMEPLAY only

2. More Tendency edits could be coming to balance gameplay using more re-tooled scales

What I've observed after today's update via personal testing

Sim Stats are now sort of out of whack in terms of PPG as league leaders (Luka, Ant, Giannis, SGA etc.) are now averaging only 24.8 or less with many top tier scorers dropped 6 + PPG using default sliders and controlling all 30 teams in MYNBA sim)

[Real2KInsider]

Quote: Originally Posted by pjt8405

Just based of initial lookaround. It seems those were the only two re-scaled.

Yes, Touch/Shot are re-scaled. They did update the actual Shooting Tendencies as well though (Under/Close/Mid/3pt).

Embiid for example
OLD: 68-86-42-38
NEW: 68-86-50-38

At second glance I think only Mid/3pt changed, double checking.

Quote:

Sim Stats are now sort of out of whack in terms of PPG as league leaders (Luka, Ant, Giannis, SGA etc.) are now averaging only 24.8 or less with many top tier scorers dropped 6 + PPG using default sliders and controlling all 30 teams in MYNBA sim)

You would think these guys would know that Shot Tend is for sims and didn't need to be re-scaled. There is literally zero reason to marry it to Touch. How do the devs not even know how their game works.

Knicks look terrible
Shot/Touch
72/75 Brunson (30 USG%)
72/72 Towns (29 USG%)
70/70 Bridges (19 USG%) - TF is this?
60/65 Anunoby (19 USG%)
60/65 Hart (14 USG%)
60/60 Payne (19 USG%)
60/60 McBride (18 USG%)
55/65 Achiuwa (16 USG% in 2024)
50/55 Robinson (10 USG% in 2024)
50/50 Sims (6 USG%)

65/60 Kolek
55/55 Ryan
45/65 Dadiet
45/45 Buie
35/55 Toppin
35/45 McCullar


Fun fact they ONLY updated standard contract players on teams so a few 2-Ways like Mac McClung, Brandon Williams, etc have the highest Shot Tends on their teams. Isaiah Wong who just signed with the Hornets has a 95 Shot Tendency. The quality control of this team has been *** for 20 ****ing years.

[Real2KInsider]

Knicks Shooting Tends
Under-Close-Mid-3pt
Brunson: 38-91-50-69
Towns: 47-56-30-58
Anunoby: 42-19-35-56
Bridges: 32-21-30-34-75
Hart: 32-21-X-34 (Forgot him if someone can grab it)
McBride: 24-20-30-72
Robinson: 57-2-20-0 (Yes that is a 20 Mid-Range Tend for Mitchell Robinson)
Payne: 23-31-40-74
Achiuwa: 60-20-25-22
Kolek: 30-40-30-60
Sims: 30-4-20-0
Ryan: 3-12-30-84
Hukporti: 95-0-20-0
Dadiet: 43-39-30-34
McCullar: 11-12-35-60
Buie: 5-34-30-92
Toppin: 28-9-30-38

Under/Close/3pt are unchanged for the Knicks. It is only MID-RANGE that is changed league-wide.

Clearly they just put Mid on some 5-point scale. They range from 10-60.
DeRozan is tops with 60.
Anyone who doesn't conform to this scale is a basically a Two-Way player.

Jared McCain's 3PT Tendency is changed 75 (+9) so they might have re-done a handful of players/rookies (i.e. why I thought it was more widespread)

[hurrikayne]

Robinson: 57-2-20-0 (Yes that is a 20 Mid-Range Tend for Mitchell Robinson)

Wtf?

[pjt8405]

Quote: Originally Posted by Real2KInsider

Yes, Touch/Shot are re-scaled. They did update the actual Shooting Tendencies as well though (Under/Close/Mid/3pt). Embiid for example OLD: 68-86-42-38 NEW: 68-86-50-38 At second glance I think only Mid/3pt changed, double checking. You would think these guys would know that Shot Tend is for sims and didn't need to be re-scaled. There is literally zero reason to marry it to Touch. How do the devs not even know how their game works. Knicks look terrible Shot/Touch 72/75 Brunson (30 USG%) 72/72 Towns (29 USG%) 70/70 Bridges (19 USG%) - TF is this? 60/65 Anunoby (19 USG%) 60/65 Hart (14 USG%) 60/60 Payne (19 USG%) 60/60 McBride (18 USG%) 55/65 Achiuwa (16 USG% in 2024) 50/55 Robinson (10 USG% in 2024) 50/50 Sims (6 USG%) 65/60 Kolek 55/55 Ryan 45/65 Dadiet 45/45 Buie 35/55 Toppin 35/45 McCullar Fun fact they ONLY updated standard contract players on teams so a few 2-Ways like Mac McClung, Brandon Williams, etc have the highest Shot Tends on their teams. Isaiah Wong who just signed with the Hornets has a 95 Shot Tendency. The quality control of this team has been *** for 20 ****ing years.

Sadly, we both know why the tendencies are in the state they are in. COMMUNICATION is key, and until that changes on their end it will continue as above. My ultimate wish would be that one day we get the actual DEV in charge of the tendencies to coordinate with the engineer in charge of creating them and they together get the much needed info on scales etc to the actual person editing them.

I don't really understand why these were the only tendencies updated as Shot Tendency, Mid, 3 affect SIM while Touch, Spot up Mid/3 affect Gameplay so no clue what the thinking was with what they put out.

I will say (My personal speculation) there could be the possibility the update was based off an earlier roster sheet given to edit off of instead of one that included all the two way players. If not, then that is just lazy.

[pjt8405]

Players who stand out as not getting proper edits

Adem Bona - Philadelphia 76ers - 60 Shot, 60 Touch

Ryan Rollins - Milwaukee Bucks - 70 Shot

AJ Johnson - Milwaukee Bucks - 65 Shot, 65 Touch

Tyler Smith - Milwaukee Bucks - 65 Shot, 55 Touch

Liam Robbins - Milwaukee Bucks - 50 Shot, 60 Touch

Adama Sanogo - Chicago Bulls - 75 Shot, 70 Touch

Anton Watson - Boston Celtics - 55 Shot

Cam Christie - LA Clippers - 60 Shot, 60 Touch

Isaiah Wong - Charlotte Hornets - 95 Shot

Oscar Tshiebwe - Utah Jazz - 70 Shot

Isaac Jones - Sacramento Kings - 65 Shot

Doug McDermott - Sacramento Kings - 70 Touch

Mikal Bridges - New York Knicks - 70 Shot, 70 Touch

Tyler Kolek - New York Knicks - 65 Shot, 60 touch

Pacome Dadiet - New York Knicks - 65 Touch

Jacob Toppin - New York Knicks - 55 touch

Quincy Olivari - LA Lakers - 60 Touch

Christian Koloko - LA Lakers - 60 Touch

Jalen Hood Schifino - LA Lakers - 60 Shot, 60 Touch

Armel Traore - LA Lakers - 60 Shot

Jarred Vanderbilt - LA Lakers - 55 Shot, 55 Touch

Mac McClung - Orlando Magic - 80 Shot - HIGHEST on the team

Brandon Williams - Dallas Mavericks - 80 Shot - HIGHEST on the team

Olivier Maxence Prosper - Dallas Mavericks - 55 Touch

Jalen Hardy - Dallas Mavericks - 75 Shot

Yongxi Cui - Brooklyn Nets - 60 Shot

Hunter Tyson - Denver Nuggets - 60 Shot

Johnny Furphy - Indiana Pacers - 60 Shot, 60 Touch

Enrique Freeman - Indiana Pacers - 55 Shot

Brandon Boston - New Orleans Pelicans - 75 Shot

Jamal Cain - New Orleans Pelicans - 75 Touch

Karlo Matkovic - New Orleans Pelicans - 55 Touch

Alondes Williams - Detroit Pistons - 85 Shot - higher than Cade, Ivey

Cole Swider - Detroit Pistons - 70 Shot

Ausar Thompson - Detroit Pistons - 60 Shot, 65 Touch

Wendell Moore Jr - Detroit Pistons - 60 touch

Bobi Klintman - Detroit Pistons - 60 Touch

Daniss Jenkins - Detroit Pistons - 60 Shot

DJ Carton - Toronto Raptors - 75 Shot, 75 Touch

Jamison Battle - Toronto Raptors - 30 Shot - needs increased

Jack McVeigh - Houston Rockets - 65 Shot

Nate Williams - Houston Rockets - 60 Shot, 60 Touch

N’Faly Dante - Houston Rockets - 60 Shot

Riley Minix - San Antonio Spurs - 55 touch

Josh Okogie - Phoenix Suns - 65 Shot

Oso Ighodaro - Phoenix Suns - 60 Shot, 70 Touch

Ajay Mitchell - OKC Thunder - 70 Shot

Adam Flagler - OKC Thunder - 65 Shot

Daishen Nix - Minnesota Timberwolves - 85 Shot

Josh Minott - Minnesota Timberwolves - 65 Shot

Jaylen Clark - Minnesota Timberwolves - 60 Shot, 70 Touch

P.J. Dozier - Minnesota Timberwolves - 60 Shot, 60 Touch

Terrence Shannon Jr - Minnesota Timberwolves - 60 Shot, 60 touch

Taze Moore - Portland Trail Blazers - 75 Shot

Pat Spencer - Golden State Warriors - 60 Shot, 60 touch

Tristan Vukcevic - Washington Wizards - 65 Touch