05:25 PM - February 9, 2011 by Steve_OS
ESPN's Jon Robinson interviewed Ian Cummings, as they discuss the recently announced surprise onside kicks and tuner sets, coming to Madden NFL 12.
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Madden 12 News Post
05:25 PM - February 9, 2011 by Steve_OSESPN's Jon Robinson interviewed Ian Cummings, as they discuss the recently announced surprise onside kicks and tuner sets, coming to Madden NFL 12.
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# 1
jeremym480 @ 02/09/11 05:44 PM
So.... surprise onside kicks are now limited to one per game. 
interesting.
Also, I'm still wondering if the CPU will attempt these. Anyone know?
interesting.Also, I'm still wondering if the CPU will attempt these. Anyone know?
Thats cool, I guess they had to limit it or else you would have had people flaming his twitter in massive droves whining about cheezing.
I personally can't wait to hear what they have to say about online franchise. I have never joined or had one yet because I didn't feel like it was up to the level that it needed to be to spend the time on it.
I personally can't wait to hear what they have to say about online franchise. I have never joined or had one yet because I didn't feel like it was up to the level that it needed to be to spend the time on it.
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sniperhare @ 02/09/11 06:27 PM
I'm hoping we finally get the ability to edit draft classes and players (including being able to edit height and weight, and for that to matter) and for Madden to have a working practice squad and IR so we can have accurate rosters.
They also need to fix FA and the franchise tags, so teams get extra draft picks like they do in the NFL. After all "If it's in the game, it's in the game."
They also need to fix FA and the franchise tags, so teams get extra draft picks like they do in the NFL. After all "If it's in the game, it's in the game."
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PGaither84 @ 02/09/11 06:41 PM
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Why not give gamers access to edit or create threshold sliders for these things that gamers can tweak to their liking? Otherwise, the same thing that happen to NCAA will happen to Madden in regards to the Tuners.
The truth is that there are too many perspectives about what is realistic and there really is not a middle ground the game can be tweaked to.
Look at gamer response at the "Under The Hood" editing NBA 2k11 gives.
Just build the game as you normally would and set such threshold sliders as default and let gamers decide.
Man, at some point EA will need to stop trying to break through the wall to get to perfection (no video game can be) and just provide the tools so gamers can go over or around that wall to achieve the best gaming experience for themselves."
Oh, well!!
The truth is that there are too many perspectives about what is realistic and there really is not a middle ground the game can be tweaked to.
Look at gamer response at the "Under The Hood" editing NBA 2k11 gives.
Just build the game as you normally would and set such threshold sliders as default and let gamers decide.
Man, at some point EA will need to stop trying to break through the wall to get to perfection (no video game can be) and just provide the tools so gamers can go over or around that wall to achieve the best gaming experience for themselves."
Oh, well!!
I believe this whole tuner set thing is just another gimmick. They normally are called sliders. Its a very early out in my opinion. You want more surprise onside kicks..well here's another tuner set..Less fumbles well here's another one. A better game > you'll have to wait till next year , sorry. My only hope is that Ea continues to be exposed. That they drop the hold on this NFL license and let a better team come and develop a real representation of this sport. A decade of underachievement...Well at least they introduced the vision cone a couple years back....
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countryboy @ 02/09/11 08:36 PM
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Tuner sets are great news folks, especially if you are familiar with NCAA. Onside kicks was just an appetizer of what is to come.
We already knew they weren't touching franchise mode and I wouldn't expect any game play/presentation news.
Looks like we find out in a month or so a bit of new info.
We already knew they weren't touching franchise mode and I wouldn't expect any game play/presentation news.
Looks like we find out in a month or so a bit of new info.
I am surprised with the Keisel beard talk all week, EA didn't pick up on that and add ability to adjust your players facial hair during playoff run. Haha
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I also like how in NHL you can choose which tuner set you want to use. I don't understand how that can be in one game and not another? That NEEDS to be an option in Madden 12.
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TracerBullet @ 02/09/11 10:50 PM
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Yeah, sorry Jersey, I could have worded that better.
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H to the Oza @ 02/10/11 01:49 AM
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DavonBrown @ 02/10/11 02:13 AM
Surprise onside kicks? They overlook the critical issues and add surprise onside kicks? And if you look at the video, the kick didn't even look realistic. Their was no contact or interaction between players and players didn't even run towards the football.
If you want to make special teams play a bigger part in the game just fix the blocking on returns and make it possible to block kicks. If you want to add some shenanigans just add some new trick plays, bobbled snaps, etc.
You complain about disk space, but you leave out important aspects of football that we see everyday(height and weight matters, realistic WR/DB interaction, realistic OL/DL interaction, realistic tackling, coverage, tendencies, jump balls, etc) and decide to waste space to add something that we see once per season. EA Sports makes zero sense to me.
If you want to make special teams play a bigger part in the game just fix the blocking on returns and make it possible to block kicks. If you want to add some shenanigans just add some new trick plays, bobbled snaps, etc.
You complain about disk space, but you leave out important aspects of football that we see everyday(height and weight matters, realistic WR/DB interaction, realistic OL/DL interaction, realistic tackling, coverage, tendencies, jump balls, etc) and decide to waste space to add something that we see once per season. EA Sports makes zero sense to me.
I have high hopes for Madden 12 because the slogan "True to the game" (I think that's what it was) is a lot more hopeful than last years slogan (which had the word "simpler" in it) I'm also hoping that NBA 2k11 was a wake up call to the Madden team that they are the only ones half-assing it, but I'm sure I'll be disappointed.
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Tuner sets imo also, are certainly not a "gimmick".
I have no experience myself with the NCAA game. But have played NHL religiously for the last two years. And I agree that the tuner sets helped nicely, to refine NHL's game play. And it is a great benefit, to have the choice of tuners that you personally prefer. With NHL '11'...there are eight different tuners to chose from. So the variety of tuners is very welcome.
If done well...I think tuner sets will be a very nice addition to Madden '12'.
I don't really see any of these as being features.
The tuner sets are essentially just a new and faster way for the developers to correct things they should have done in development - nice, but a bigger deal for EA than for the consumers, IMO.
Surprise onside kick is just a new addition to the playbook, which is hardly a feature by any means. That'll be like calling a play-action pass or a fleaflicker for a feature instead of a play.
Also what's the deal with limiting it to one time per game?? It that EA's new approach? "Sorry, but in Madden 12 you can only throw 14 deep balls per game and 7 times in the flats, otherwise people might exploit the game." I'd settle for some adaptive AI that recognizes that people are using "surprise" onside kicks--can't really call it a surprise if people use it once per game anyway.
The tuner sets are essentially just a new and faster way for the developers to correct things they should have done in development - nice, but a bigger deal for EA than for the consumers, IMO.
Surprise onside kick is just a new addition to the playbook, which is hardly a feature by any means. That'll be like calling a play-action pass or a fleaflicker for a feature instead of a play.
Also what's the deal with limiting it to one time per game?? It that EA's new approach? "Sorry, but in Madden 12 you can only throw 14 deep balls per game and 7 times in the flats, otherwise people might exploit the game." I'd settle for some adaptive AI that recognizes that people are using "surprise" onside kicks--can't really call it a surprise if people use it once per game anyway.
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Tuner sets are huge for the consumer as well. If running backs are only avg 3.2 yds per carry across the board, tuner set time. I'm a big stat person and I respect everyone's opinion, but for me, the stat nut, this a huge feature.
Also, just because they release info in small amounts early on, doesn't mean there isn't something that looms larger, game play, presentation and franchise wise down the road.
Some people are trying to compare SOK's to what's behind door #1, door #2 and door #3. Pretty difficult to judge when there isn't anything to compare it with.
For example, it's much easier for me to look and compare franchise info in May and put it up against SOK's in early February.
Tuner sets are huge for the consumer as well. If running backs are only avg 3.2 yds per carry across the board, tuner set time. I'm a big stat person and I respect everyone's opinion, but for me, the stat nut, this a huge feature.
Also, just because they release info in small amounts early on, doesn't mean there isn't something that looms larger, game play, presentation and franchise wise down the road.
Some people are trying to compare SOK's to what's behind door #1, door #2 and door #3. Pretty difficult to judge when there isn't anything to compare it with.
For example, it's much easier for me to look and compare franchise info in May and put it up against SOK's in early February.
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