Werewolf XXXVIII: Jack The Ripper (GAME OVER! GOOD WINS ON DAY SEVEN)

[Blade6119]

He has been vouched for, although possibly not in a way that would be obvious, unless you know what to look for.

I don't know if Blade sees the same thing, or has a different reason. Blade's list is somewhat different from mine.

My urchin saw raiders spending money on night 1, and he spent it on something i dont think a bad guy would spend it on as per the intial rules.

[Alan T]

I actually did go to the opium den, and if I remember right, I was the first one who talked about my opium den experience.

I have tried to hire an urchin, but failed on night 0. I have not tried since due to money issues. I got robbed on night 1 (the same night i went to the opium den), so money is tight with me. (all of which I had previously said).

That should read I spent money on the urchin day 1, not night 0 sorry. Night 0 I didnt do anything as I saved money for the urchin.

[hoopsguy]

Blade, you indicated that you had a role that is not on the main page?

[Blade6119]

I have tried to hire an urchin, but failed on night 0. I have not tried since due to money issues. I got robbed on night 1 (the same night i went to the opium den), so money is tight with me. (all of which I had previously said).

Alan, maybe someone else can save you here...but my bid for the urchin is a day action and my 10 shillings bid was placed on day 1 before the lynch deadline. Saying you did it on night 0 is a very bad slip-up in my mind :eek:

[Blade6119]

That should read I spent money on the urchin day 1, not night 0 sorry. Night 0 I didnt do anything as I saved money for the urchin.
grrrr, i hate you and catching your slip-ups...though it was made, now im less sure of it

[Alan T]

Alan, maybe someone else can save you here...but my bid for the urchin is a day action and my 10 shillings bid was placed on day 1 before the lynch deadline. Saying you did it on night 0 is a very bad slip-up in my mind :eek:

You might have missed it since it was at the top of a new page, I corrected myself there.

It is a day action, and I even said so the day I did it. Part of my trust in path was he was one of the first to mention the day action, and I was the first to say I did the day action of hiring the urchin. Then I was the first to come back and say mine failed due to being overbid (before you stated getting yours).

I'm pretty sure if Im lying now that would have been amazing of me to guess all of that info at the time. :)

[Blade6119]

Blade, you indicated that you had a role that is not on the main page?

Yes, and no...it would fall under the category of one of the good roles i suppose, but from what the role entails it is quite unique. It comes with restrictions to my voluntary actions, but also a side involuntary action that despite here to fore being rather useless might one day be helpful.

[Alan T]

grrrr, i hate you and catching your slip-ups...though it was made, now im less sure of it

Like I said.. if I had known that hiring an urchin was a day time activity before anyone else said.. and known that someone outbid my 7 shillings before anyone else said.. without having actually tried that.. it would be the most amazing WW move ever.. or I would have to be an urchin myself (which I am not).

[Blade6119]

I actually did go to the opium den, and if I remember right, I was the first one who talked about my opium den experience.

I have tried to hire an urchin, but failed on night 0. I have not tried since due to money issues. I got robbed on night 1 (the same night i went to the opium den), so money is tight with me. (all of which I had previously said).
You might have missed it since it was at the top of a new page, I corrected myself there.

It is a day action, and I even said so the day I did it. Part of my trust in path was he was one of the first to mention the day action, and I was the first to say I did the day action of hiring the urchin. Then I was the first to come back and say mine failed due to being overbid (before you stated getting yours).

I'm pretty sure if Im lying now that would have been amazing of me to guess all of that info at the time. :)

Can you explain then if you on night 0 didnt spend your money, and on night 1 got robbed of your gold, when you went to the opium den and how you afforded the price on the only other available night(day 2?) If you got robbed, how did you make the cash with your 3 shilling income to afford the opium den on night 2?

[Mr. Wednesday]

My urchin saw raiders spending money on night 1, and he spent it on something i dont think a bad guy would spend it on as per the intial rules.
I presume you are intentionally omitting a mention of what it was spent on because you think that information is best not spread around?

[Blade6119]

Like I said.. if I had known that hiring an urchin was a day time activity before anyone else said.. and known that someone outbid my 7 shillings before anyone else said.. without having actually tried that.. it would be the most amazing WW move ever.. or I would have to be an urchin myself (which I am not).
VOTE ALAN T

Something in this post is a lie, its time for you to die

[Blade6119]

I presume you are intentionally omitting a mention of what it was spent on because you think that information is best not spread around?

I have not been as forthcoming as i indicated, and if you will permit me i think it just allowed me to catch Alan T in a lie..but yes, i think it best if the rest of my urchin info stays as it is for now

[Mr. Wednesday]

That's entirely fair. Far be it from me, who has been irate at others for questioning my exercise of discretion, to criticize you for doing the same. :)

[hoopsguy]

Blade, I would really like to understand what I witnessed last night. If it makes sense, it will buy a great deal of trust going forward.

My worry is that right now I have you spending a small fortune to hire an urchin on Day 1, who gives you information on Tyrith's death that points towards a prostitute as the only person in the district - information that was clearly incorrect. That was supposed to consume all of your money, but it did not. You then have additional urchin interactions - seeing RA spend money, for example.

Now, there is a role that has heavy ties to urchins and that role is included under the list of bad guys in this game ... which implies that we should eliminating Fagin as part of our victory conditions.

[Alan T]

Can you explain then if you on night 0 didnt spend your money, and on night 1 got robbed of your gold, when you went to the opium den and how you afforded the price on the only other available night(day 2?) If you got robbed, how did you make the cash with your 3 shilling income to afford the opium den on night 2?

I'm not lying at all. I would assume you would know when you spend money on an urchin as a day action, if it fails, you dont find out until the end of that night.

Anyone who has tried to hire an urchin and failed can tell you that Blade.

Night 0, I did nothing. I started with 10 shillings.
Day 1, spent 7 on hiring an urchin, and 5 on the opium den (leaving 1 spare shilling of the 13 I had).
End of night 1, I got my opium den PM which I shared with everyone at the time, and found out I had failed to hire an urchin as well as being robbed.

Im glad you are pressing me here, I am really sure others will come to my aid.

Do you have anyone who will vouch for you? I was hoping to draw someone in a trap, and maybe you are the bad guy who I trapped.

[Mr. Wednesday]

hoops, I am 100% certain that Blade is not Fagin.

[Blade6119]

Blade, I would really like to understand what I witnessed last night. If it makes sense, it will buy a great deal of trust going forward.

My worry is that right now I have you spending a small fortune to hire an urchin on Day 1, who gives you information on Tyrith's death that points towards a prostitute as the only person in the district - information that was clearly incorrect. That was supposed to consume all of your money, but it did not. You then have additional urchin interactions - seeing RA spend money, for example.

Now, there is a role that has heavy ties to urchins and that role is included under the list of bad guys in this game ... which implies that we should eliminating Fagin as part of our victory conditions.
I did not spend 10 gold on day 1 for the urchin, and barkeep was not the only person the urchin saw in the district. I lied about both for different reasons. The first to trap a bad guy into doing what Alan has just done(lie about placing a bid, which i now know he did not) and the latter to protect raiders from the public eye.

[Alan T]

Blade, I would really like to understand what I witnessed last night. If it makes sense, it will buy a great deal of trust going forward.

My worry is that right now I have you spending a small fortune to hire an urchin on Day 1, who gives you information on Tyrith's death that points towards a prostitute as the only person in the district - information that was clearly incorrect. That was supposed to consume all of your money, but it did not. You then have additional urchin interactions - seeing RA spend money, for example.

Now, there is a role that has heavy ties to urchins and that role is included under the list of bad guys in this game ... which implies that we should eliminating Fagin as part of our victory conditions.

You are putting together what I was putting together I think.

Saldana actually originally caught it but since then backed off having got a good feeling about Blade. For me the opposite happened that after I looked at it closely, I started putting alot more together and have called him for it. I still believe he is Faigin. He never explained how he was out at night after spending all of his money, and I am curious if anyone saw him out last night when he wouldnt have had any money to be out either (with the 2 shillings a day he makes).

If anyone has been lying, its Blade, and now his actions against me pretty close to seal it for me. Blade better come clean soon, or I have a feeling this will end badly for him if he is truly good.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'll vouch for Blade.

[hoopsguy]

Fair enough, MrW. If that is not the case, I'm trying to understand what other role has the finances associated with Blade's declared actions (multiple urchins) and would be engaged in the manner I observed last night.

MrW, do you still believe you saw the same event as me last night?

[Alan T]

I did not spend 10 gold on day 1 for the urchin, and barkeep was not the only person the urchin saw in the district. I lied about both for different reasons. The first to trap a bad guy into doing what Alan has just done(lie about placing a bid, which i now know he did not) and the latter to protect raiders from the public eye.

unvote Raiders Army
vote blade

Blade is lying here. If he says he knows I didnt place a bid for an urchin on day 1, its an outright lie. He's bad and I'll bet my life on it. There is no way he could know that as I did indeed place a bid and said so before anyone else even mentioned hiring urchins as an ability.

[Blade6119]

Do you have anyone who will vouch for you? I was hoping to draw someone in a trap, and maybe you are the bad guy who I trapped.

The reverse has happened. I trapped you...my winning bid for the urchin on day one was 6 shillings. You just said this:

and known that someone outbid my 7 shillings before anyone else said.

Im sorry Alan, you just made a fatal mistake...

[Alan T]

I did not spend 10 gold on day 1 for the urchin, and barkeep was not the only person the urchin saw in the district. I lied about both for different reasons. The first to trap a bad guy into doing what Alan has just done(lie about placing a bid, which i now know he did not) and the latter to protect raiders from the public eye.

Let me guess, your urchin also saw me in the district with barkeep and tyrith that night?

[Blade6119]

unvote Raiders Army
vote blade

Blade is lying here. If he says he knows I didnt place a bid for an urchin on day 1, its an outright lie. He's bad and I'll bet my life on it. There is no way he could know that as I did indeed place a bid and said so before anyone else even mentioned hiring urchins as an ability.

If you placed a bid of 7 shillings i would not have won the urchin bid, as i only offered 6. Thats how i know your lying alan.

[Alan T]

The reverse has happened. I trapped you...my winning bid for the urchin on day one was 6 shillings. You just said this:



Im sorry Alan, you just made a fatal mistake...

you would not have beaten my bid with 6 shillings.

I put an order in to have schmidty followed that night, and my bid was not taken and instead I was robbed.

If folks follow you on me, I insist everyone lynch Blade tommorrow after I turn up good, and dont let him weasel his way out of it. I'll turn up good, and for blade to say he knows stuff that he doesn't is a lie.

[Alan T]

If you placed a bid of 7 shillings i would not have won the urchin bid, as i only offered 6. Thats how i know your lying alan.

Im fine with going with a me vs you lynch tonight. I'm sure I have people who will vouch for me. Now answer my question about if Im the other person you saw with Barkeep and Tyrith that night.

[hoopsguy]

Blade, help me to finish connecting the dots here - on Day 2 why would you have a vested interest in protecting Raiders by not mentioning him in Commercial and isolating Barkeep?

[Blade6119]

you would not have beaten my bid with 6 shillings.

I put an order in to have schmidty followed that night, and my bid was not taken and instead I was robbed.

If folks follow you on me, I insist everyone lynch Blade tommorrow after I turn up good, and dont let him weasel his way out of it. I'll turn up good, and for blade to say he knows stuff that he doesn't is a lie.

I bid 6 shillings for the urchin to spy on commercial, and it succeeded. You can lie all day long, but my elaborate trap ive been setting the past 36 hours has just clamped shut on you

[DaddyTorgo]

ok. can someone give me a down and dirty synopsis so I can know where to vote in the next half hour? I have a pizza to eat too!

[Mr. Wednesday]

Fair enough, MrW. If that is not the case, I'm trying to understand what other role has the finances associated with Blade's declared actions (multiple urchins) and would be engaged in the manner I observed last night.

MrW, do you still believe you saw the same event as me last night?

I'm not certain you saw the exact events I did, or got the exact identification of one of the persons involved that I did.

We have the same interpretation of Schmidty.

My current belief about who Blade is, is not inconsistent with anything that I am aware of him avowing so far.

I'll go back from saying that I'm 100% sure he's not Fagin. I'm merely somewhere in the 90 to 95% range.

[Blade6119]

Blade, help me to finish connecting the dots here - on Day 2 why would you have a vested interest in protecting Raiders by not mentioning him in Commercial and isolating Barkeep?

Becuase if i shared what i saw it would give away his role..quite simply, its not my place or in the best interest of the good guys for me to do that to him.

[Alan T]

I bid 6 shillings for the urchin to spy on commercial, and it succeeded. You can lie all day long, but my elaborate trap ive been setting the past 36 hours has just clamped shut on you

Cool. I say I did try to hire an urchin and you say I don't. Everyone who believes you vote for me. and everyone who believes me vote for Blade.

Sounds like a fun time to me. If I get lynched, I want everyone to lynch Blade tommorrow as you will see I had no reason to lie. Wheras Blade has been lying this entire game.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Blade isn't going to get lynched tomorrow.

At this point, I'm going to trust his play. At worst, we force Alan into a reveal that I don't think is going to hurt us overmuch.

VOTE Alan T

[Blade6119]

Im fine with going with a me vs you lynch tonight. I'm sure I have people who will vouch for me. Now answer my question about if Im the other person you saw with Barkeep and Tyrith that night.

No, were nowhere in my note left for me at my place of residence at the end of night 1 from the urchin

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, I should say, unless something remarkable happens tonight, Blade isn't going to get lynched tomorrow.

[hoopsguy]

If Schmidty was around to discuss his version of events from last night I'm sure that could cinch my vote in one direction or the other.

DaddyTorgo - there is a showdown right now between Alan and Blade, with each convinced that the other is a bad guy. It revolves around money spent hiring an urchin during Day/Night 1. If you have to get a vote in right now you should cast it on one of those two guys. Only about 50 posts or so to read (recent stuff) to get the gist of the discussion.

[LoneStarGirl]

Wow, usually blade vs alant fights are stupid but this is really interesting. One of the two are lying, but which one?

[Blade6119]

Fair enough, MrW. If that is not the case, I'm trying to understand what other role has the finances associated with Blade's declared actions (multiple urchins) and would be engaged in the manner I observed last night.

MrW, do you still believe you saw the same event as me last night?

I hired one urchin for 6 shillings hoops, not multiple and not a fortune spent. It is the fact my bid of 6 worked and Alan is claiming his bid of 7 did not that forces me to say hes lying.

[Alan T]

Blade isn't going to get lynched tomorrow.

At this point, I'm going to trust his play. At worst, we force Alan into a reveal that I don't think is going to hurt us overmuch.

VOTE Alan T

I don't have anything to reveal. Im the role that I said I was the entire game. I am a cooper (I didnt even know what a cooper was until this game and had to look it up). I am a normal Londoner.

I'll leave it up to others if they feel I am worth saving or not. I just say for the good people to keep track of people who push hardest for my lynch. I assure you I will end up being good and you will know who to lynch tommorrow.

[hoopsguy]

For now, I'll side with the player who has someone vouching for him in Blade. I've actually seen Blade at night as well, but have not witnessed Alan out and about, which is a small strike against him.

I'm hoping Schmidty can come in and clear up his meeting last night to help cement this vote.

VOTE ALAN T

[Mr. Wednesday]

Alan, if you're a victim of misleading circumstance, then I truly regret the result of our actions. However, I think the circumstances dictate the action.

[Alan T]

Normally I would say me being an ordinary villager it doesnt matter if you lose me or not. But I hate seeing Blade fool the rest of you big time.

I also think a run away vote would be very unhelpful. I think you all should keep it a close vote, and keep track of who is willing to put their life on the line to swear I am a bad guy.

I am who I say I am.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm fairly certain that Blade is not intentionally misleading us. It's possible that the circumstances are misleading him, but given who I think he is, he has no reason (aside from shockingly loose play) to concoct a story to try to put you on the block.

[hoopsguy]

MrW, any information you feel like you can reveal about your confidence in Blade would definitely be appreciated.

[path12]

I have more trust in Blade to this point than Alan, so for now I'm going to have to vote with him.

VOTE ALAN T

It is day 3, isn't it?

[Alan T]

Alan, if you're a victim of misleading circumstance, then I truly regret the result of our actions. However, I think the circumstances dictate the action.



I disagree, and think its very fishy for you to start your backtracking before Im even lynched since you know I will end up good. Its interesting to me that three of the people who have had no one vouch for them (Mr.W, St.Cronin and Blade) are the ones leading the charge.

This isnt a victim of circumstance at all. I dont mind dying, but I think you should keep it close so people are held accountable for their actions. I don't hold hoops vote against him as I feel pretty confident he is good. The rest of you however are fair game as far as I am concerned.

[Blade6119]

Normally I would say me being an ordinary villager it doesnt matter if you lose me or not. But I hate seeing Blade fool the rest of you big time.

I also think a run away vote would be very unhelpful. I think you all should keep it a close vote, and keep track of who is willing to put their life on the line to swear I am a bad guy.

I am who I say I am.

Alan, as a bad guy a 1-1 is a very bad idea for me. Much like yesterday when i went after lathum with hoops, im serving the side of good.

Secondly, asking us to keep it close just makes me even more sure. Since you wont back off of your 7 shilling claim, you must die

[Alan T]

I'm fairly certain that Blade is not intentionally misleading us. It's possible that the circumstances are misleading him, but given who I think he is, he has no reason (aside from shockingly loose play) to concoct a story to try to put you on the block.

Well, we get to find out after the game if hes a good guy on why he says he knows for sure that I didnt try to get an urchin when I did. But using a KISS philosophy, I find it highly more likely I know the real reason for someone saying I didnt do something that I did.

[Alan T]

Alan, as a bad guy a 1-1 is a very bad idea for me. Much like yesterday when i went after lathum with hoops, im serving the side of good.

Secondly, asking us to keep it close just makes me even more sure. Since you wont back off of your 7 shilling claim, you must die

Why dont you want it close? so your fellow bad guys will be caught out in the open for who they are?

If you landslide on me, and I turn up good, all you know is Blade lied. If you keep it close, you get to find out who is going to go out of their way to condemn a good person and you have Blade + someone else.

[Mr. Wednesday]

MrW, any information you feel like you can reveal about your confidence in Blade would definitely be appreciated.
I think anything more would essentially be a full reveal, which I am only willing to do if he's in imminent danger.

[Blade6119]

Night 0, I did nothing. I started with 10 shillings.
Day 1, spent 7 on hiring an urchin, and 5 on the opium den (leaving 1 spare shilling of the 13 I had).
End of night 1, I got my opium den PM which I shared with everyone at the time, and found out I had failed to hire an urchin as well as being robbed.
I will say this, whether it leads to people trusting me more or less. I can only carry 10 gold at a time. I can carry no more then that at any time. It doesnt damn you, but it proves we at least dont have the same role which makes me happier with my vote.

[LoneStarGirl]

I trust Alant for some reason. But Blade has somebody vouching for him. So unless Blade and his voucher are bad most people are going ot vote for Alant. I dont think I want to vote for either one.

vote raiders army

[dubb93]

I'm stuck in a bad place. Nearly everything Alan has said about his role matches up with me. I'm nearly 100% sure we started with the same role. I don't have much time, but I have some thinking to do. I think either Alan or Blade has been converted.

[Alan T]

Just to get my full night 1 in the open since its at question. I cant quote my PM so will just give the highlights.

I go to the opium den and settle down on the couch.
My opium induced dream is a very funny reference to the Atlanta Braves which is my favorite baseball team and Chief knows that. I actually made jokes about it in this game 2 different times just giving Chief a hard time about how he put it in my PM.

I wake up and go home.

I find my bribe untaken.

I was told urchins found other missions more lucrative.

I am told even worse, I was burglarized.

The burglar missed my money pouch near the door step but didnt miss much inside.



There, thats my night 1. Care to retract your statement Blade?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Blade, are you certain that you were bidding against Alan for the services of the urchin?

[Blade6119]

Just to get my full night 1 in the open since its at question. I cant quote my PM so will just give the highlights.

I go to the opium den and settle down on the couch.
My opium induced dream is a very funny reference to the Atlanta Braves which is my favorite baseball team and Chief knows that. I actually made jokes about it in this game 2 different times just giving Chief a hard time about how he put it in my PM.

I wake up and go home.

I find my bribe untaken.

I was told urchins found other missions more lucrative.

I am told even worse, I was burglarized.

The burglar missed my money pouch near the door step but didnt miss much inside.



There, thats my night 1. Care to retract your statement Blade?
Why would i? You say you bid 7, i won the bidding with a bid of 6. Then, while maybe the normal villagers can carry more, i can only carry 10 shillings at a time while you claim to have had 13. What about your story would make me want to change?

[saldana]

Of the people whose role I don't know, the vast majority have been a john (or claimed it, or attempting it) or been to the opium den. Offhand, the remaining ones who haven't are saldana, LSG, RA, and Alan.

Right? Did I miss any of the four above claiming to seek comfort in their vices, or one of the proprietors identifying them as a customer?

I'm actually not trying to make a point that they're bad guys, necessarily, as I have no reason to think that Jekyll or Moriarty would be beyond visiting a prostitute, for example, and equally, there are a couple of as-yet-unidentified roles that would not be particularly likely to be customers.

W, i did go looking for a hooker on night 0, but didnt find one in the 2 areas i looked...since then i stayed home on night 1 to save money, and stayed home again, since of the 3 kills on night one, only the werewolf seems to come to your house to kill you...i thought it was the best way to stay alive...the other kills both happened in the streets

[Blade6119]

Blade, are you certain that you were bidding against Alan for the services of the urchin?
I placed a bid of 6 shillings for the urchin on day 1. Unless someone else can come forward and say they placed a bid of 8 or more and got a second urchin on day one but never told us until now(which even if they do i will be skeptical), i believe i bid against alan just as i did saldana and i think LSG. Actually, i find it more likely alan didnt bid, as i see no reason for him to say he bid 7 and stand by it if he bid 6 or less. Saldana bet 6, so i beat most likely by a tie-breaker. I dont really see a scenario where he bid 7 and lost to me for an urchin. And i dont think their are more then one urchins running around we can bribe, as i dont think its a character in the game.

[Alan T]

Why would i? You say you bid 7, i won the bidding with a bid of 6. Then, while maybe the normal villagers can carry more, i can only carry 10 shillings at a time while you claim to have had 13. What about your story would make me want to change?

Just wondering how tightly you are wanting to put the noose around your neck is all. I dont have anything in my PM limiting me to 10 shillings either. I started out with 10 shillings or half a pound.

The only warning i get is to not horde my money since some criminal denizens have a nose for unspent money and I could get burglarized (which I did).

[dubb93]

Mr. W quick. I have 5 minutes b/f I have to go to work. Are you sure that Blade wasn't turned last night? If conversions are in the game him and hoops and the prostitutes out in the open were the top candidates for conversion last night.

[DaddyTorgo]

ok. almost out of time on my break so gotta make this quick. it seems that blade's arguments have more evidence behind them. I should be home in time to change last minute if necessary. apologies I can't bold on my phone


VOTE ALANT

back to work for me

[dubb93]

.....I need to know this b/f I vote.....

[Alan T]

ok. almost out of time on my break so gotta make this quick. it seems that blade's arguments have more evidence behind them. I should be home in time to change last minute if necessary. apologies I can't bold on my phone


VOTE ALANT

back to work for me

I laugh at the word evidence :)

[Mr. Wednesday]

dubb, while I can't completely rule out Blade getting turned, I think it's highly unlikely for the role that I think he holds.

[Alan T]

Well I'm going to walk back to the hotel and maybe get some dinner. I'll likely be away for an hour or so I guess. I doubt Im needed around for a bit anyways. I've said all i can, and don't have any other special role or anything great to reveal.

All thats left for me is to sit back in the old "You're lying"... "No! you're lying" back and forth with Blade the rest of the night. Blade picked someone who obviously has no ability to know anything about him at night to do this with for a reason. I feel confident I've put out enough to keep those who are good from voting for me. The only ones left you know who to go after tommorrow :)

I'll be back later to see how Blade is squirming as more people show up :)

[dubb93]

dubb, while I can't completely rule out Blade getting turned, I think it's highly unlikely for the role that I think he holds.

Well, I think Alan's points about his role have jived more with me than what Blade has said this game. That puts Alan further up my trust list than Blade in the first place. While I have no say in the whole urchin bidding business, I have no clue who bidded what, I think that is between the two of them.

If you can't rule out blade being turned I'm going to have to side with Alan. No matter how unlikely it is(again, I have no clue what role you think Blade has, I had him down as a slightly irregular londener)

With all that said I must

VOTE BLADE6119

I think he was one of, if not the top suspect for conversion last night. And with that I am out for the night. Lunch time is over, I'll will be back a little after 10PM est when I get off work. If Alan ends up getting lynched I hope I'm wrong about him, but I still think he is playing with the same cards I myself have been dealt.

[path12]

One question. Might it be possible for a particular role to take precedence over a bid amount?

My thinking is along this line: Blade claims to have an unlisted role (and that possibility does exist in the rules). He says it is one that the title might make one doubt his allegiance. What if it was something that tangentially related to the urchins? Maybe then if he places a bid it gets precedence over a common Londoner.

I'm trying to come up with an explanation where they're both good and neither is lying. That's the best I can think of right now.

[hoopsguy]

Dubb, I can't 100% rule out Blade being converted but I can provide a good reason for why he is unlikely to have been converted - at least last night.

I'll post it if we are at a point during the voting where it becomes necessary to do so. For now I'm trying to allow people some secrets.

[Blade6119]

One question. Might it be possible for a particular role to take precedence over a bid amount?

My thinking is along this line: Blade claims to have an unlisted role (and that possibility does exist in the rules). He says it is one that the title might make one doubt his allegiance. What if it was something that tangentially related to the urchins? Maybe then if he places a bid it gets precedence over a common Londoner.

I'm trying to come up with an explanation where they're both good and neither is lying. That's the best I can think of right now.

My initial role PM describes the urchin as a capitalist, explaining he will only undertake a mission that is lucrative to him. So i see no reason for him to accept my 6 over Alan's 7.

And no, i have no connection to the urchins in town

[Blade6119]

Alan T - Daddy Torgo, Blade, Cronin, Mr. W, Hoopsguy, Path

Blade - AlanT, Dubb

Raiders Army - LSG

Am i missing anything?

[LoneStarGirl]

okay well i sat here and thought about it and decided that if i trust alant, why not vote for blade? I dont want to have a wasted vote tonight

vote blade

[Blade6119]

And if no one swapps off of alan, we have our 6 needed for lynch, regardless of 16 population or 17 if izulde counts while in jail.

Speaking of which:

VOTE NO LYNCH IZULDE

[Blade6119]

okay well i sat here and thought about it and decided that if i trust alant, why not vote for blade? I dont want to have a wasted vote tonight

vote blade
You have to unvote raiders then vote me LSG, please corrrect that

[Mr. Wednesday]

At this point, I'm very interested in seeing if Raiders Army has anything to add to the conversation... either about Blade vs. Alan, or about Izulde being in the clink.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Blade, we've got enough to lynch, but we do need to be concerned about who wins the vote. It doesn't do any good to have six on someone else if there's seven on you. :)

[Blade6119]

Blade, we've got enough to lynch, but we do need to be concerned about who wins the vote. It doesn't do any good to have six on someone else if there's seven on you. :)
I dont expect us to stay at 6, so im not really all that worried. Im much more interested in watching from here on out who falls where(and LSG, much more then dubby). If nothing changes between now and then, LSG is my vote tomorrow.

[path12]

My initial role PM describes the urchin as a capitalist, explaining he will only undertake a mission that is lucrative to him. So i see no reason for him to accept my 6 over Alan's 7.

And no, i have no connection to the urchins in town

OK, maybe not the urchins (JE's role kind of covered that anyway). But without revealing, is there the possibility that your role has some sort of prestige attached to it that might make a bid from you more attractive than one from a common Londoner, even if it was slightly less?

[Lorena]

Well, blade and alan have said things that match my first PM, so it's really difficult for me to choose which one to vote for.

Some have talked about blade possibly getting converted, but isn't it a possibility that the one that got converted was alan? I mean, he keeps quoting the first PM which a role a lot of us have, but someone refresh my memory on what he did last night because I don't remember right off the bat.

[Lorena]

dola,

How are the votes looking? I've been really lazy and haven't kept track. Thx in advance.

[Blade6119]

OK, maybe not the urchins (JE's role kind of covered that anyway). But without revealing, is there the possibility that your role has some sort of prestige attached to it that might make a bid from you more attractive than one from a common Londoner, even if it was slightly less?

I would think my name is even less recognizable to the urchins then even the fellow commoners of london. I am not someone of prestige, as i come from rather humble means and have morals to reflect as such.

[hoopsguy]

I've been scanning through the last 700 or so posts looking to see if anyone previously made a claim to have spent 7+ shillings - if I had found it I would have switched my vote from Alan to Blade. But I haven't been able to find anything along those lines.

[hoopsguy]

Also, I've asked a couple of times for some explanation of the events I saw around Schmidty last night and have not gotten an answer. This makes me nervous, as there are multiple people who could potentially address this.

[Blade6119]

Also, I've asked a couple of times for some explanation of the events I saw around Schmidty last night and have not gotten an answer. This makes me nervous, as there are multiple people who could potentially address this.

Isnt it quite possible those people dont want to address this? I have held things back for purposes of helping good all throughout, is it not possible the people you want to answer your questions are doing the same?

[Lorena]

I've been scanning through the last 700 or so posts looking to see if anyone previously made a claim to have spent 7+ shillings - if I had found it I would have switched my vote from Alan to Blade. But I haven't been able to find anything along those lines.

Hoops, I would have remembered something like that because I was interested in how much an urchin could be hired for. When Blade mentioned he paid 10 shillings, I figured that was something I didn't want to pursue... it's a little much for me.

[Blade6119]

I've been scanning through the last 700 or so posts looking to see if anyone previously made a claim to have spent 7+ shillings - if I had found it I would have switched my vote from Alan to Blade. But I haven't been able to find anything along those lines.

If they had i would have reacted then. One other person, saldana i think, claimed a bid of 6 i believe. I just assumed i won a tie-breaker and moved about my business.

[saldana]

this is a tough call....alan has had my back all day, but right now its a question of whether we believe blade or not about the 6 shillings....i cant see blade making a 1 for 1 trade with this much game left, so as much as it bothers me to do this

vote alant

[saldana]

If they had i would have reacted then. One other person, saldana i think, claimed a bid of 6 i believe. I just assumed i won a tie-breaker and moved about my business.

thats correct...i bid 6 on day 1 and was told that the urchins went for a better offer.

[saldana]

dola, i was not told what the offer was, but when blade said 10 the next day, i decided to stay home so i would have 13 to use the next time i put in a bid....which by the way, was for tonight, so i hopefully will have some info for the good of the town tomorrow.

[hoopsguy]

Isnt it quite possible those people dont want to address this? I have held things back for purposes of helping good all throughout, is it not possible the people you want to answer your questions are doing the same?

Sure, but since we are looking at a Blade/Alan showdown I would like to understand the variables. And understanding this would make me a LOT more comfortable with my decision. I'm not sure what to make of the fact that 3-4 people who could talk about it are choosing not to do so.

I'm asking for answers to this now. I'll be demanding answers if Alan turns out to be a bad lynch.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Also, I've asked a couple of times for some explanation of the events I saw around Schmidty last night and have not gotten an answer. This makes me nervous, as there are multiple people who could potentially address this.

As I already said, I feel like any further information than I've already offered is essentially a full role reveal, and I'm not willing to do that under the current circumstances.

[Alan T]

I'm back and about to order room service. I actually figured Blade would have backpeddled some by now or something. Surely if he is bad, why would he pursue me on this.

I've told folks the truth, I put in my order to the urchin to follow Schmidty that night. I really want to see Blade lynched if I die here today, but Im not sure how much of that is just spite out of Blade not being reasonable here or lying about something or I dont know what.

If Blade is actually telling the truth, then I have no idea why my order to have Schmidty followed wasnt taken unless Schmidty was the urchin I actually was trying to bribe.

It looks like people are deadset on lynching me which is fine, I guess my question to you all is the following:

What do you learn when I turn up good? Who do you go after? Are you willing to go after Blade tommorrow?

[Blade6119]

Actually, I neglected to mention that. Good catch. Yes, roles will be revealed upon death, although no guarantees that there isn't a night action in the game that could temporarily confuse things there. ;)

But, yes, you will receive role/identity information upon death.

Not trying to squirm out, just wondering if chief is hinting at this...either way he needs to die

[Alan T]

Not trying to squirm out, just wondering if chief is hinting at this...either way he needs to die

Is this going to be your story when I turn up good? THat i have a role that clouds things?

[Blade6119]

Is this going to be your story when I turn up good? THat i have a role that clouds things?

No, i wont need that at all..ive got all the evidence i need to prove im on the side of good, just talking while we await your doom

[Alan T]

No, i wont need that at all..ive got all the evidence i need to prove im on the side of good, just talking while we await your doom

Well while we're talking to await my doom.. I would love to hear what people's plan will be tommorrow after my lynch reveals I am good. You seem very confident you'll stay safe, confident enough to make this play and flat out say I'm lying about my action from the other day. This intrigues me alot since I often can map things out, but I really am puzzled by what your play here is. I don't understand why you are putting yourself on the line just to lynch a common londoner.

[path12]

What do you learn when I turn up good? Who do you go after? Are you willing to go after Blade tommorrow?

If you turn up good, it would take some extraordinary info to make me not vote Blade tomorrow.

[Blade6119]

Well while we're talking to await my doom.. I would love to hear what people's plan will be tommorrow after my lynch reveals I am good. You seem very confident you'll stay safe, confident enough to make this play and flat out say I'm lying about my action from the other day. This intrigues me alot since I often can map things out, but I really am puzzled by what your play here is. I don't understand why you are putting yourself on the line just to lynch a common londoner.

Its the only lie i have caught anyone in all game, what reason do i have to believe your a common londoner?

Besides, all my death will bring is fact to my claims

[Barkeep49]

I did not spend 10 gold on day 1 for the urchin, and barkeep was not the only person the urchin saw in the district. I lied about both for different reasons. The first to trap a bad guy into doing what Alan has just done(lie about placing a bid, which i now know he did not) and the latter to protect raiders from the public eye.

This made me mad. He didn't lie just to protect raiders. He lied to incriminate me. Let's not forget until I had a calvacade of people come forward to vouch for me, the reason I was trying not to do a hard defense since I hoped the vote simply wouldn't pick up much steam, I was set to be lynched nearly exclusively because of what Blade said.

Then there is Alan. For whatever reason Alan tried hard to pretend he hadn't been to a prostitue. I guess I just wasn't that good. For whatever reason he told me about his rounders dream. The whole thing was strange and was very different than the flavor I've gotten on my 3 other visits (hoops is right that I had two clients last night).

Blade is all happy like over his catching of Alan in a supposed lie, but his lie over the murder situation makes me uneasy to say the least. I'm around until lynch, but at this point and time I would cast my vote against Blade rather than Alan perhaps over his own intentionally misleading attempt to get me killed.

[Swaggs]

Blade, if you are trusting Raiders then what direction do you think makes sense for our vote today? I've got a better feel for people I would prefer to avoid than people I should vote to lynch.

Swaggs? LSG? Do you distrust Alan now? Would love to talk through some scenarios ...

I probably distrust Alan more than I trust him, but I like having him in the game, so probably wouldn't vote for him unless he got fingered. He does a good job of throwing ideas out and keeping the lines of communication open.

[path12]

I wish I didn't have to leave but I do. I'll be away until after lynch.

[Alan T]

This made me mad. He didn't lie just to protect raiders. He lied to incriminate me. Let's not forget until I had a calvacade of people come forward to vouch for me, the reason I was trying not to do a hard defense since I hoped the vote simply wouldn't pick up much steam, I was set to be lynched nearly exclusively because of what Blade said.

Then there is Alan. For whatever reason Alan tried hard to pretend he hadn't been to a prostitue. I guess I just wasn't that good. For whatever reason he told me about his rounders dream. The whole thing was strange and was very different than the flavor I've gotten on my 3 other visits (hoops is right that I had two clients last night).

Blade is all happy like over his catching of Alan in a supposed lie, but his lie over the murder situation makes me uneasy to say the least. I'm around until lynch, but at this point and time I would cast my vote against Blade rather than Alan perhaps over his own intentionally misleading attempt to get me killed.

You told me something too last night. My talking about you I feared would make it too obvious what the other person's role is on an accident I made earlier in an assumption. I figured I wouldn't call on you to vouch for me since I didn't want to out the other person. I honestly am a common londoner, so losing me to catch someone else in a lie is not a bad gamble. I would make that gamble with someone else in any game when its a person claiming a normal role vs someone claiming a special role, so it would be hypocritical of me to think otherwise here. Im normal, so losing me doesn't lose a special role.

I honestly don't mind dying, I just dont want it to be a run away. I want people to put their stake on who they believe so something can be learned from my death. I do mind dying in a senseless runaway death that doesnt help us. I feel if the vote is close, it helps us alot more than otherwise.

[hoopsguy]

Barkeep, can you tell us what you learned about each of your clients so far? I think I know the info on three of them from earlier in the thread, but would like a recap all in one post if you don't mind putting it out there.

[Raiders Army]

My urchin saw raiders spending money on night 1, and he spent it on something i dont think a bad guy would spend it on as per the intial rules.

Trying to read through the thread to catch up but this caught my eye.

Also, there's a reason why I didn't defend myself today. I told y'all that I'd be out until about 7 EST at work.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, can you give me a rundown of your finances, from start to now?

Start with x
Pay urchin, down to y
Visit den, down to z
Robbed, down to 0
Recover some money, up to #

Etc, etc.

[Raiders Army]

Alan T - Daddy Torgo, Blade, Cronin, Mr. W, Hoopsguy, Path

Blade - AlanT, Dubb

Raiders Army - LSG

Am i missing anything?

I voted for LSG before I left this morning. :)

[Alan T]

Alan, can you give me a rundown of your finances, from start to now?

Start with x
Pay urchin, down to y
Visit den, down to z
Robbed, down to 0
Recover some money, up to #

Etc, etc.

I technically didn't hit 0 when I was robbed. I never said I lost all of my money there.

Night 0 I did nothing so had 10 shillings
Day 1 got 3 more shillings at the end of the day I think? I actually asked CR clarification on when the payday happened every day and if he had any rough guideline on how much is normal spending for an urchin so I had an idea what to spend (I wasn't clear that we were competing against so many others at the time like I am now).

CR said he couldnt answer the second question but the first question I get paid at the end of the day so I assume that means lynch time.

So.. day 1 at lynch I had 13 shillings then. I offered some for an urchin and used 5 for the opium den night 1.

I came back and found I was robbed and ended night 1 with 5 shillings.

End of day 2 I got 3 more which would be 8 shillings, but I spent 5 more last night as you now know on the worst lover I've had since my ex-wife.

My PM from last night said I have 3 shillings and would have 6 tonight.

[Barkeep49]

Well I'll give you 3 of 4 visits:

Path -- Learned where he lives. I see no reason to make that info public at this time, especially as path has indicated he doesn't want it out there.

Bullet -- He is as common as I am pretty

Alan -- Learned about this rounders thing.

It seems as though I don't learn what info I give up, which is frustrating. So I've told alan something, but I'm not sure what I've told him. I think my other johns have revealed what I told them.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm willing to move off of Alan, but not onto Blade.

[Raiders Army]

Okay. All caught up. I can tell you that voting for Blade is probably a mistake. I can tell you that voting for me is definitely a mistake. I have increased my circle of trust to:

Barkeep
hoops
Blade
path
bulletsponge
Mr. Wednesday
st. cronin
Daddy Torgo
dubb
Schmidty
saldana
DC
Izulde

That leaves LSG, Alan T, and Swaggs. I am reasonably sure (if the extended trust list is right) that at least two of them are evil. There may be someone on the trust list that is evil, but I don't know. I'm good for voting for any of the three of them. Since LSG isn't getting any votes, I'll

UNVOTE LSG
VOTE ALAN T.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Alan, do you feel that you can say whose role you were worried about blowing, since it's obviously not your own or Barkeep's?

[Blade6119]

Raiders, do you understand why i said what i said? Im hoping we understand each other

[Alan T]

Well I'll give you 3 of 4 visits:

Path -- Learned where he lives. I see no reason to make that info public at this time, especially as path has indicated he doesn't want it out there.

Bullet -- He is as common as I am pretty

Alan -- Learned about this rounders thing.

It seems as though I don't learn what info I give up, which is frustrating. So I've told alan something, but I'm not sure what I've told him. I think my other johns have revealed what I told them.

Well if I tell you, then it will out someone else's role.. I partially expect they know I know so will leave it up to them if they want me to out it. To help you out barkeep, I find it likely that you know this person's role obviously in order to tell me. So I dont know how many roles you -know- but maybe that helps narrow it down for you some.

[Raiders Army]

Raiders, do you understand why i said what i said? Im hoping we understand each other

Roger

[Mr. Wednesday]

RA, I think it would be a mistake to assume that the supposed commonpeople are all what they seem.

[Barkeep49]

Alan, can you give me a rundown of your finances, from start to now?

Start with x
Pay urchin, down to y
Visit den, down to z
Robbed, down to 0
Recover some money, up to #

Etc, etc.
Hoops if you're going after all this information I think it's time you come clean yourself.

[Raiders Army]

I gotta play Marvel Ultimate Alliance with my son. I'll be back in a bit.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, so if you are saying that you trust them, should I infer that you know something that I don't?

[Alan T]

Alan, do you feel that you can say whose role you were worried about blowing, since it's obviously not your own or Barkeep's?

I honestly thought they had previously revealed it before I kinda goofed today. It might have been subtle enough that others didnt notice.. Im not sure. I guess I wasn't suprised to find it out so something in my head thought it was already out.

I will say I don't understand why they are keeping it a secret, but its their role and while losing me isnt a huge deal, losing them Im not sure if its as good.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Barkeep, hoops isn't on the block and Alan is.

[Alan T]

Dola, so if you are saying that you trust them, should I infer that you know something that I don't?

is this to me or someone else?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Alan, I'm not asking you to reveal what the role is, or even any circumstances around your learning it. All I'm asking is if you can indicate which player it is?

e.g. "I think it's Mr. Wednesday's role that I would be revealing."
or, "No, I think even saying who it is would be too much information."

[Barkeep49]

Well if I tell you, then it will out someone else's role.. I partially expect they know I know so will leave it up to them if they want me to out it. To help you out barkeep, I find it likely that you know this person's role obviously in order to tell me. So I dont know how many roles you -know- but maybe that helps narrow it down for you some.
Weird. I only know bullet's role. I just went and reread all of them. So unless it's bullets role (which I've already publicly stated) then somehow I told you something that I am not myself aware of as a player.

[hoopsguy]

I technically didn't hit 0 when I was robbed. I never said I lost all of my money there.

Night 0 I did nothing so had 10 shillings
Day 1 got 3 more shillings at the end of the day I think? I actually asked CR clarification on when the payday happened every day and if he had any rough guideline on how much is normal spending for an urchin so I had an idea what to spend (I wasn't clear that we were competing against so many others at the time like I am now).

CR said he couldnt answer the second question but the first question I get paid at the end of the day so I assume that means lynch time.

So.. day 1 at lynch I had 13 shillings then. I offered some for an urchin and used 5 for the opium den night 1.

I came back and found I was robbed and ended night 1 with 5 shillings.

End of day 2 I got 3 more which would be 8 shillings, but I spent 5 more last night as you now know on the worst lover I've had since my ex-wife.

My PM from last night said I have 3 shillings and would have 6 tonight.

Day 1 at lynch you had 13 shillings - you offered 7 for an urchin based on your earlier post, then 5 for opium den. That should leave you with 1. And if you were robbed there would only be one to take.

What am I missing here?

[Blade6119]

is this to me or someone else?
Its to RA

Mr. W: Using your own argument, RA isnt on the block, Alan is

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, hoops isn't on the block and Alan is.
I hear ya but it wasn't just alan he's been pushing for. I just quoted that.

[Mr. Wednesday]

is this to me or someone else?
If it had actually been a dola, rather than two posts slipping in between, it would have been apparent that I was addressing RA. :)

He's got a bunch of people that I've not made out to be anything more than clients of the various working women, either by observation or admission, and I wanted to know if he was merely infering trust from that, or if he had additional information.

[hoopsguy]

BK, can you reveal what type of information you learned about the other john? Don't name him, but indicate something like:
- learned where he lived
- learned a role
- learned that he is a sexual deviant

Whatever broad category of knowledge you learned, if you don't feel this is too damning.

[Alan T]

Alan, I'm not asking you to reveal what the role is, or even any circumstances around your learning it. All I'm asking is if you can indicate which player it is?

e.g. "I think it's Mr. Wednesday's role that I would be revealing."
or, "No, I think even saying who it is would be too much information."

If I say who it is, the role will be obvious. I've been pretty transparent about my beliefs of everyone this game. So wasn't holding it back.

Blade is right, I did make a mistake today, but saying I tried to get an orphan day 1 wasn't it. I'll respect the other person and expect they know who Im talking about. If they dont want it out, I'll go to my death with it held in. I honestly don't know why they are hiding it, but so be it.

[Barkeep49]

Day 1 at lynch you had 13 shillings - you offered 7 for an urchin based on your earlier post, then 5 for opium den. That should leave you with 1. And if you were robbed there would only be one to take.

What am I missing here?
Hmm. This is a money thing seems to be fairly damning since I know he had 5 shillings for me last night. The whole accounting thing doesn't seem to add up. I'm buying it, though I am still pissy towards Blade.

Vote Alan T

[Blade6119]

Day 1 at lynch you had 13 shillings - you offered 7 for an urchin based on your earlier post, then 5 for opium den. That should leave you with 1. And if you were robbed there would only be one to take.

What am I missing here?
And someone else notices his numbers dont work...

[Mr. Wednesday]

Its to RA

Mr. W: Using your own argument, RA isnt on the block, Alan is
Is this in reference to my pressing Alan for a name, or RA for whether he has additional information that would clear the folks that seem to be commoners?

[Barkeep49]

BK, can you reveal what type of information you learned about the other john? Don't name him, but indicate something like:
- learned where he lived
- learned a role
- learned that he is a sexual deviant

Whatever broad category of knowledge you learned, if you don't feel this is too damning.
I learned what he saw that night and something else which might be significant, or might not be. I'm hoping I run into him again and get further refinement.

[Alan T]

Day 1 at lynch you had 13 shillings - you offered 7 for an urchin based on your earlier post, then 5 for opium den. That should leave you with 1. And if you were robbed there would only be one to take.

What am I missing here?

My understanding are the bribes aren't done in person. I have no idea who I was trying to bribe or if its even an ordinary player or a NPC. From what I understand, you leave it for them and come back later to see if it was taken or not.

[hoopsguy]

BK, if you really think there is value in me "coming clean" I will. I have felt that there was greater value in me retaining some level of mystery about what my role may be.

I'm pretty sure you already know what my role is, so I'm a little surprised you are asking for this, though ...

[Blade6119]

Is this in reference to my pressing Alan for a name, or RA for whether he has additional information that would clear the folks that seem to be commoners?

RA

[Barkeep49]

Dola -- What he saw was Izulde's getting arrested, suggesting that happened during the first half of the night.

[Alan T]

Weird. I only know bullet's role. I just went and reread all of them. So unless it's bullets role (which I've already publicly stated) then somehow I told you something that I am not myself aware of as a player.

Its not bullet.. and it says very clearly you tell me player X is a Y

[hoopsguy]

My understanding are the bribes aren't done in person. I have no idea who I was trying to bribe or if its even an ordinary player or a NPC. From what I understand, you leave it for them and come back later to see if it was taken or not.

So if you have a lower bid, you don't end up losing the money? This should be pretty easy to verify from others who have pursued the urchins ...

[Barkeep49]

BK, if you really think there is value in me "coming clean" I will. I have felt that there was greater value in me retaining some level of mystery about what my role may be.

I'm pretty sure you already know what my role is, so I'm a little surprised you are asking for this, though ...
I do know what your role is, you're right. I suppose that's what I could have passed on to Alan T. I don't think you gain the advantage you think you do, but I will defer to your judgement. It would just be a shame for you to die anyway with so much knowledge.

[Blade6119]

My understanding are the bribes aren't done in person. I have no idea who I was trying to bribe or if its even an ordinary player or a NPC. From what I understand, you leave it for them and come back later to see if it was taken or not.

My PM states quite clearly to do the action i will stop and orphan and bribe him(clearly implies in person). At the end of the night, i will either get my money back at my place of residence or a note.

But my PM at least seems very clear i offer it in person.

[Barkeep49]

Its not bullet.. and it says very clearly you tell me player X is a Y
Yeah I realized I'm a dolt when talking with hoops.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I saw the arrest early, then saw the event in Bishopsgate later.

[saldana]

My understanding are the bribes aren't done in person. I have no idea who I was trying to bribe or if its even an ordinary player or a NPC. From what I understand, you leave it for them and come back later to see if it was taken or not.

My PM states quite clearly to do the action i will stop and orphan and bribe him(clearly implies in person). At the end of the night, i will either get my money back at my place of residence or a note.

But my PM at least seems very clear i offer it in person.



it is clear to me that the bribe is done in person as well...i did get my money back the day i lost the bid though...alan saying he didnt do his in person makes me feel alot better about my vote

thats 2 mistakes.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I technically didn't hit 0 when I was robbed. I never said I lost all of my money there.

Night 0 I did nothing so had 10 shillings
Day 1 got 3 more shillings at the end of the day I think? I actually asked CR clarification on when the payday happened every day and if he had any rough guideline on how much is normal spending for an urchin so I had an idea what to spend (I wasn't clear that we were competing against so many others at the time like I am now).

CR said he couldnt answer the second question but the first question I get paid at the end of the day so I assume that means lynch time.

So.. day 1 at lynch I had 13 shillings then. I offered some for an urchin and used 5 for the opium den night 1.

I came back and found I was robbed and ended night 1 with 5 shillings.

Alan, here's the math problem.

You start with 13 shillings.
Offer 7 as a bribe, spend 5 on the den, leaving one.
Then you get robbed.
And your offer was not accepted.
Conceivable results:
one -- the seven was stolen.
seven -- the one was stolen.
eight -- nothing was stolen.
four, ten, or eleven -- above plus the three that you receive as income.
Inconsistent result that you claim:
five -- ???

This could work if you offered less than you claim (why?), or if your account was capped at ten. Are you saying that only some of your money was stolen?

[Lorena]

My understanding are the bribes aren't done in person. I have no idea who I was trying to bribe or if its even an ordinary player or a NPC. From what I understand, you leave it for them and come back later to see if it was taken or not.

Umm... my PM says something different. I can stop and bribe him, but I don't remember it saying if it was an NPC or not. I do know that if I'm not the winning bidder, I do not lose the money.

[Alan T]

BK, if you really think there is value in me "coming clean" I will. I have felt that there was greater value in me retaining some level of mystery about what my role may be.

I'm pretty sure you already know what my role is, so I'm a little surprised you are asking for this, though ...

Put 2 and 2 together on why he is asking it.

And then try to figure out what my slip up this morning was.

Ugh.. I give up.

Well, Im going to take it easy for a while. The masses have spoken.

I dunno if i will be back before lynch or not, but if not, my final parting shot:

I have tried to be honest about as much as I could this game. I am good, my name is Charles Shanding and I am the town cooper.

I have actually messed up a few times this game.. but at this point its irrelevant. I've just played a bad game I think all together.

I messed up my notes on what I did day 1, and didnt realize it till I got to the hotel. I originally told Chief to put 4 shillings down, but then realized I would get 3 more at the time and wrote down 4+3 on my notes for 7. My pm to chief only asked for 6. At this point I dont honestly care if anyone believes me however I do want people to know Blade might be telling the truth when I die tonight about what he put in. I made the mistake not him.

My next mistake was that my notes I had down hoops as a prosititute and when I found out the info from barkeep last night it didnt suprise me since i had figured that out based on stuff in the thread. I said as much this morning when he responded that he never outed himself, so I quickly changed my direction trying to cover for it.

That made my talking about barkeep tonight a pain because I would have to out hoops if pressed or just take it with me to my grave.

Other than that, I honestly know zilch. I havent seen anyone, talked to anyone, been visited by anyone or anything. I've tried to make all of my judgements on people's actions in the thread which is a pain since people are vouching for the 3 or 4 people who havent done sqwat or said anything and wont even say why... All it leaves the rest of us with is trying to track down if this group are the good guys or the bad guys and nothing to base it on.

It might be great for everyone else to play super-sleuth and hide it all, but for me it made it difficult. the people i suspected in raiders, schmidty, swaggs, etc was solely because I couldn't get a read on any of them because they didnt hardly even participate any.

Sorry I can't leave with any super great insight or anything, but I've pretty much played my worst game since perhaps the harry potter game. I just was awful. I probably shouldn't sign up for games on weeks when I have so much work to do and travel but so be it.

Anyways I'm flying out tommorrow and will be gone anyways, so this is as good as any day for me to die. I wish my death told you more, but guess its not to be. I had fun, and thanks to Chief for a good game.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, actually, four, ten, or eleven don't make sense, scratch those. It should be one, seven, or eight, but not five.

[hoopsguy]

OK, for the 50% of the people who have not seen me out shaking my ass at night I'm the last prostitute.

Night 0 - in Commercial I saw BK, SnDvls, and hooked up with Tyrith who lived in Commercial

Night 1 - no hookups, but saw the people enter and leave Cavell (NTN, Cronin, Blade, and Lathum)

Night 2 - hookup with Path, learned he was in opium den on Night 1. Saw BK score twice. Saw Blade, Cronin, and Schmidty all in Bishopsgate during 2nd phase, and witnessed some interation involving Schmidty that I have not completely explained yet but asked for the parties directly involved to comment upon

[Mr. Wednesday]

OK... I already knew about hoops. I think half the people playing already knew about hoops. :)

We've still got a monetary inconsistency, though, even with an offer of six instead of seven.

[Alan T]

Sorry guys, I messed up on my original bribe, but it very clearly says I return home and find my bribe untaken. It also says I am left with only 5 shillings. No idea why the math works the way it does, but oh well.

Anyways, best of luck to all, going to do other stuff :)

[Mr. Wednesday]

hoops, I've said more than once that I don't think it's possible for the parties involved to comment upon it without a full role reveal, which is in nobody's interest unless they're on the block.

[Alan T]

P.S. before I go, I don't like taking shots at people, but Blade, its a little tiring always being your target. I honestly don't know if you are good or bad but I'll enjoy watching your remarks when I turn up good either way.

If you want to know why the shilling discrepency, ask Chief. I have no clue.

[Blade6119]

P.S. before I go, I don't like taking shots at people, but Blade, its a little tiring always being your target. I honestly don't know if you are good or bad but I'll enjoy watching your remarks when I turn up good either way.

If you want to know why the shilling discrepency, ask Chief. I have no clue.
We can talk about it after the game, but to be honest you were my most trusted person in the game until about mid-day today when cronin said bad guys might be able to bribe and what not. Then you worried me, and then you said 7. But until then, you were my most trusted ally.

[Lorena]

Anyone have a vote count?

[hoopsguy]

MrW, I'll drop it if you guys are confident we have a bad guy. When I was asking the questions we (the collective group on Alan) didn't sound terribly confident on our vote beyond Blade, who was the one calling out Alan.

If Alan shows up good I'm going to want to understand that meeting in a lot more detail than I do right now. If Alan shows up as a bad guy I won't mention it again (for awhile, anyways :) ) and will modify my trust lists accordingly.

[Blade6119]

Anyone have a vote count?

7 on alan i think, 3 on me...i think, not sure if barkeep voted, but either way alan is getting lynched.

[LoneStarGirl]

unvote raiders army

vote blade

[LoneStarGirl]

I really think Alant is good
And since there is only one more person on the chooping block i had to go with him to keep things tight

[Blade6119]

MrW, I'll drop it if you guys are confident we have a bad guy. When I was asking the questions we (the collective group on Alan) didn't sound terribly confident on our vote beyond Blade, who was the one calling out Alan.

If Alan shows up good I'm going to want to understand that meeting in a lot more detail than I do right now. If Alan shows up as a bad guy I won't mention it again (for awhile, anyways :) ) and will modify my trust lists accordingly.
Alan just said he actually submitted a bid of 6, not 7, and it was his mistake, not mine. So when he turns up good, dont blame me for trying to catch a bad guy.

Ill discuss this after the game hoops, but your really annoying me right now. For all the times you say i dont listen to reason, your making up for it with this constant pushing when multiple people have said stop.

[Raiders Army]

Dola, so if you are saying that you trust them, should I infer that you know something that I don't?

Yes you should infer something. :)

Basically, here is my list:

I'm fairly sure that the following aren't evil:

Barkeep
st. cronin
hoops
Blade
path
Mr. Wednesday
DC
Izulde

barkeep trusts for bulletsponge
You (Mr. Wednesday) trusts for Daddy Torgo, bulletsponge, and dubb
st. cronin trusts hoops, barkeep, blade, Schmidty, and saldana

That leaves Alan T, LSG, and Swaggs if my process of elimination is correct.

[Lorena]

So I'll ask again, did anyone hire an urchin last night? It seems improbable that NO ONE hired one... I would assume these type of services would be immensely popular.

[Blade6119]

Yes you should infer something. :)

Basically, here is my list:

I'm fairly sure that the following aren't evil:

Barkeep
st. cronin
hoops
Blade
path
Mr. Wednesday
DC
Izulde

barkeep trusts for bulletsponge
You (Mr. Wednesday) trusts for Daddy Torgo, bulletsponge, and dubb
st. cronin trusts hoops, barkeep, blade, Schmidty, and saldana

That leaves Alan T, LSG, and Swaggs if my process of elimination is correct.
Dodgerchick too

[Blade6119]

So I'll ask again, did anyone hire an urchin last night? It seems improbable that NO ONE hired one... I would assume these type of services would be immensely popular.

Of the people who bid on day 1, i didnt place a bid, saldana didnt place one, alan didnt place one, and i dont know who else. I think last night really might have gone with no one. Though a few people like schmidty havent said much, so maybe he did.

[Raiders Army]

I really think Alant is good
And since there is only one more person on the chooping block i had to go with him to keep things tight

If Alan T turns out to be who I thinks he is, then I'm fairly sure that you will be who I think you are. How's that for being vague?

[Raiders Army]

Dodgerchick too

She's in there.

[Blade6119]

She's in there.
Are you sure you trust her? I dont trust her, but if you are sure...

[Lorena]

If Alan T turns out to be who I thinks he is, then I'm fairly sure that you will be who I think you are. How's that for being vague?

LSG and AlanT are who we thought they were!!!



Sorry, Denny Green flashback ;)

[Barkeep49]

Blade I still want a response:

How do you justify attempting to have me lynched with what you knew to be a lie?

[Blade6119]

Blade I still want a response:

How do you justify attempting to have me lynched with what you knew to be a lie?
I didnt lie about my urchin's views, at least not that time

[Lorena]

BTW, Schmidty mentioned he had financial problems and might get his internet turned off... did we get a replacement for him?

[hoopsguy]

Blade, I think this would be an excellent topic for discussion after the game is over. Because it has bugged the heck out of me today.

[Lorena]

dola,

Hope all turns out okay Schmidty; it's really, really tough being in that kind of situation... lord knows we've had our share of financial issues.

You'll be in my thoughts.

[Raiders Army]

Are you sure you trust her? I dont trust her, but if you are sure...

I'm fairly sure since she was the first to vouch for Izulde. I believe somewhere today someone else vouched for her as well. Of course my list is entirely predicated on some things better left unsaid at this point.

[Barkeep49]

I didnt lie about my urchin's views, at least not that time
Wait. Did you or did you not see Raiders and I there?

[Raiders Army]

Without a doubt, I trust hoops, st. cronin, barkeep, path, and blade.

[Barkeep49]

I mean we all know your urchin gave you bad info at this point since I think there's little disputing that bullet was also in the district, at the bare minimum, since we slept together. Just trying to figure out how bad your info was.

[st.cronin]

Boy am I curious to see how this lynch turns out.

[Blade6119]

Wait. Did you or did you not see Raiders and I there?

Id perfer not to answer this right now

[Barkeep49]

Id perfer not to answer this right now
So let's just be clear: You would prefer not to answer whether or not you lied in the process of attempting to get a good guy lynched?

[Lorena]

Well, I guess I need to vote, I don't wanna miss too much of the Ravens vs. Bengals game.

Vote AlanT

Everything he said I agreed with up until the accounting discrepancy. Alan is known for his detail and I cannot fathom him making a mistake like that. When I found out how much money I made a day, I was already thinking of scenarios on how to spend it, including hiring an urchin (I felt some comfort knowing that if I bid, my money would not be lost).

[Lorena]

dola,

It's driving me nuts that a lot of people aren't willing to share information... it really, really bugs me.

[Lorena]

Including AlanT, he knows something on someone, but is not willing to out them. It bothers me that he's willing to die with this info which is not good for the village.

[st.cronin]

dola,

It's driving me nuts that a lot of people aren't willing to share information... it really, really bugs me.

Well, the information that has been shared has tended to just totally baffle me.

[Blade6119]

So let's just be clear: You would prefer not to answer whether or not you lied in the process of attempting to get a good guy lynched?
I did not lie in attempting to get you lynched, does that make your hissy fit better?

[Raiders Army]

Including AlanT, he knows something on someone, but is not willing to out them. It bothers me that he's willing to die with this info which is not good for the village.
Well, if I were in his position right now I'd spill the beans...but then again I'm a good guy. ;) A bad guy would just fake it.

[hoopsguy]

Alan has spilled "it" - he says he learned that I was a prostitute.

[Barkeep49]

dola,

It's driving me nuts that a lot of people aren't willing to share information... it really, really bugs me.
I understand. I sit here holding back info only
1. If I don't feel like it's my secret to divulge (like I did with hoop's role as a prostitute)
or
2. The information seems like it makes more sense to try and gather more of it and paint a more complete picture.

[Blade6119]

Alan has spilled "it" - he says he learned that I was a prostitute.

Your not one though, are you?...i had you pegged in a similar, but not exactly the same role.

[Barkeep49]

I did not lie in attempting to get you lynched, does that make your hissy fit better?
Yes, though I'm clearly missing something important about the information you have.

[Lorena]

Alan has spilled "it" - he says he learned that I was a prostitute.

No shit, that was the big secret? I was in suspense the whole time, I thought it was something juicy.

[Barkeep49]

No shit, that was the big secret? I was in suspense the whole time, I thought it was something juicy.
I know. That's why I didn't quite get the way hoops was playing.

[Raiders Army]

No shit, that was the big secret? I was in suspense the whole time, I thought it was something juicy.

Ohhhhhhhh...the opening is there....

go for it!

Yeah, well the real juicy part is something that the prostitute's clients don't wanna know!!!

[hoopsguy]

Your not one though, are you?...i had you pegged in a similar, but not exactly the same role.

I am - I tried to keep some level of suspense so people might think I'm the Bordello Mom or some unlisted role, but I'm just another streetwalker.

Throughout the game I've tried to give as much of my info as possible without explicitly listing my role, figuring if a bad guy or two took me for a more important role they might gun for me instead of taking out one of the more meaningful roles.

[Raiders Army]

Well it worked since Lathum was gunning for you on Night 1.

[st.cronin]

Reading over the thread again, I feel quite good about this lynch. Alan is lying about more than one thing, and never did reveal anything useful.

[st.cronin]

Well it worked since Lathum was gunning for you on Night 1.

Woah, how do we know that?

[Blade6119]

I am - I tried to keep some level of suspense so people might think I'm the Bordello Mom or some unlisted role, but I'm just another streetwalker.

I thought you were the bordello mom too, so you fooled me

[hoopsguy]

RA, does that mean that Lathum was not one of the people completing a kill on Night 1? Because that would imply that we are likely still facing three bad guys ...

[st.cronin]

Out for the night.

Good luck, London.

[Barkeep49]

Reading over the thread again, I feel quite good about this lynch. Alan is lying about more than one thing, and never did reveal anything useful.
And the whole rounders thing is just plain strange. Could just be CR's idea of a joke, which is what I think it is, as I'm at a loss to understand how it relates to the game in any fashion.

[Raiders Army]

RIP SnDvls. You were in my circle of trust.

I have a theory why Lathum didn't get a kill on Night 1. He didn't kill because he was targeting hoops. hoops was in the Cavell district that night and Lathum was following him. At that point, Sherlock Holmes and Watson (I believe I know who you are) came up on him and chased him away. They interrogated ntndeacon instead.

RA, does that mean that Lathum was not one of the people completing a kill on Night 1? Because that would imply that we are likely still facing three bad guys ...

I believe we're still facing three bad guys. I think at least two of them are Alan T, LSG, or Swaggs. The third may be in my circle of trust (probably extended circle).

[Raiders Army]

Remember we still have Hyde and the WW out there. We also have Moriarty and Fagin as well. The WW might've visited a prostitute one night so that one will be hard to tell on the surface. Same thing with Hyde.

[Raiders Army]

My internet connection is going in and out right now and Survivor is coming on. I'll be in and out until the lynch. Good luck to us.

[Blade6119]

Im out for the next 2 hours, hope we got alan

[Alan T]

welp its 9. Thanks again for the game Chief. I'm buying you a calculator for christmas. I don't blame chief for my getting in trouble though, since I did mess up.

However before I go... no Im not lying about anything. Im leaving with everything i know which isnt much. I told you who I suspected based on what I know.


If raiders, Blade, Cronin are all good.. then I really have no clue who is bad this game.

Ive learned my lesson though I'm not going to play on business trips anymore.. its too tough and I keep messing up.

Anyways good luck villagers, sorry I played poorly this time out.

[Lorena]

Don't we have 1 more hour til lynch?

[Alan T]

I thought lynch was 9pm. I tell you.. Im just not with it =\

[Alan T]

guess Ill come back in another hour for my farewell speech.

[Lorena]

I thought lynch was 9pm. I tell you.. Im just not with it =\

Is it? Day actions are due at 10 eastern... can't remember if lynch time has passed or not.

[Barkeep49]

We have 1 more hour. Says so right in the topic title.

[Mr. Wednesday]

You (Mr. Wednesday) trusts for Daddy Torgo, bulletsponge, and dubb
With DT, I can only confirm that he was Izulde's john last night, nothing more than that.

With bulletsponge and dubb, I can account for their whereabouts during intervals last night, again nothing more than that.

It seems fairly likely that neither is Mr. Hyde, but I would not commit to neither being the werewolf nor neither being Moriarty/Fagin/crew.

[Lorena]

Well, there's something that's really bothering me. After I voted for Alan, I checked my PMs in regards to the money I spent and something doesn't add up... literally.

Unvote AlanT
Vote Blade

[Mr. Wednesday]

RA, does that mean that Lathum was not one of the people completing a kill on Night 1? Because that would imply that we are likely still facing three bad guys ...
hoops, we've been over this:
one kill: Mr. Hyde
one kill: werewolf
one kill: Fagin/Moriarty

no kill: Lathum aka JTR

We are after AT LEAST three bad guys.

[Mr. Wednesday]

DC, Blade is a bad alternative. I'd strongly recommend you choose someone else.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Do we have a current vote count?

[Lorena]

Whoopsie... I made a mistake. I looked pretty closely at my first 2 PMs and glanced really quick at my last one, didn't notice the last part of it.

Unvote Blade
Vote Alan

Sorry about that, I get distracted with my 2 year old.

[Swaggs]

I'm still catching up and about 2 pages behind, but I think I've seen enough to put a vote out there: Vote AlanT

[DaddyTorgo]

home. do i need to change off alan?

[Alan T]

home. do i need to change off alan?

not really.

[Alan T]

heh... just reread my night 1 pm again about to send a fun little joke PM to chief and just noticed for the first time.. it costed me 3 shillings to replace stuff that was stolen. So night 1 was 13 - 5 = 8 - 3 = 5.

Guess I owe Chief an apology.... ok now you all can really put me out of my misery.

[Mr. Wednesday]

DT, I think it's probably too late. Too many votes on Alan, not enough people around who would have any interest in flipping back.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Hmm... at long last, we have something that holds together...

[Alan T]

DT, I think it's probably too late. Too many votes on Alan, not enough people around who would have any interest in flipping back.

Dont really think it matters anyways. I messed up so many times on simple things I deserve to die.

I'm a basic role, so the village doesnt lose anything, and if you dont lynch me you'll be wondering if I was lying the rest of the game till I did die.

I'll be flying tommorrow anyways so wouldnt be able to even be around much anyhows (which after today probably is a good thing)

[Lorena]

heh... just reread my night 1 pm again about to send a fun little joke PM to chief and just noticed for the first time.. it costed me 3 shillings to replace stuff that was stolen. So night 1 was 13 - 5 = 8 - 3 = 5.

Guess I owe Chief an apology.... ok now you all can really put me out of my misery.

Goddamit, another piece of nugget I can confirm... ugh.

Unvote Alan
Vote Blade

I hate seesawing like this. My internet access is not reliable right now, so chances are that my vote is staying.

[Alan T]

Hmm... at long last, we have something that holds together...

You have to understand, the corp office I am in is much different from my normal office. My normal office, I run the place, I have my own area, no one snooping at me or bugging me, etc.

When I come to the corp office, I get a tiny cube next to the VP I report to and am constantly getting bugged every 3 minutes by someone coming by to talk about stuff just because Im not there much.

Plus they don't even allow this site at the corp office, so I have to actually connect to a neoteris box that sits in the middle of India which I then log in to with a special account i have that I then can pass it URLs to this site to get here while at work.

The neoteris box likes to log me out every 5-6 pages though which forces me to constantly be relogging in. With it being halfway around the world, it takes like 1-2 minutes every page load with the latency plus SSL overhead plus proxying.

I basically tried to write down everything I could to notepad files on my laptop while in the hotel room so I could read this thread with as few page refreshes as possible. It wasnt that bad for me to jot down notes that people said during the day in the thread, but it was a royal pain to check my PMs, so I instead wrote down my PM in a notepad file in the hotel each morning before I left and then transposed.

The part I royally screwed up this game was my PMs.. I goofed them big time.. It probably was a mistake to play this game for me with my workload and traveling, but I'm a WW junkee I guess.

I've cooled down a bit about blade too. I dont fault him for coming after me today. I'm not mad or anything.. just disappointed that I short circuited myself on my typical day 3 in a game I was enjoying.

[Barkeep49]

Wow. I think Alan DOES win for addict status.

[Lorena]

Yeah, that's a lot of work involved to keep up.

[DaddyTorgo]

wow alan. that's crazy. the village appreciates your sacrifice though. wow

[Raiders Army]

Let's see what happens!!!

[Alan T]

Its not too bad. I can read the page logged out still, so only have to deal with the latency. I just cant check PMs or post. Since I only get PMs with my role at the end of night time, that wasnt a big deal. But now you see why I logged in and did long posts all at once.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Yup.

[Alan T]

Let's see what happens!!!

I got 3 min still, don't be in such a rush to be rid of me!

[Chief Rum]

Time check

[Alan T]

Time check

Stop rushing my demise!

In fact, time for a real role reveal. I am really Hiro from heros. I traveled back in time to save london from Jack the ripper. now my job is done I am out of here!

[Alan T]

Ok. -NOW- you can kill me.

So long all and thanks for all the fish

[Chief Rum]

Deadline.

Results coming shortly.

[Alan T]

Well, dunno if anyone really believed me or not.. But I dont think I lied about one thing this entire game. The worst I ever got was held back information. but never lied once I can remember.

I figured I would try that out for once :) Anyways good luck village!

[Alan T]

Dola when I said I held back information, I was referring to not wanting to out hoops. I probably would have mentioned my interaction with barkeep if I hadnt already screwed up once that morning with hoops's info. ahh well

[Chief Rum]

Goddamit, another piece of nugget I can confirm... ugh.

Unvote Alan
Vote Blade

I hate seesawing like this. My internet access is not reliable right now, so chances are that my vote is staying.

lol...you're killing me. ;)

[Alan T]

lol...you're killing me. ;)

lol, I will make it easy for you. Alot of people voted for me and I'm lynched :)

[Mr. Wednesday]

Alan, I for one am sorry about the pile on, it was an honest mistake triggered by your honest mistake.

[Lorena]

lol...you're killing me. ;)

Sorry :o

[Alan T]

Alan, I for one am sorry about the pile on, it was an honest mistake triggered by your honest mistake.

No hard feelings at all for anyone. I screwed up big time. I would have done the same thing

[Lorena]

so how much did you bid for the urchin alan? Can he still say?

[Alan T]

so how much did you bid for the urchin alan? Can he still say?

Well I'm not dead yet, but I already corrected myself earlier. What I said earlier was true. I paid 6 shillings to bribe an urchin to follow Schmidty.

For whatever reason my notes said 7 and it was all downhill from there

[Chief Rum]

As the sun starts to rise on the day, the mob seems to have lost some of its enthusiasm. Jack The Ripper is gone, but deaths are still happening--but not as many. Welcome to Whitechapel, long time residents would say.

People seem confused as to who to look to today to lynch, except almost unanimous agreement that lynching poor Izulde would be a waste.

Some brave few, nonetheless, try to stir the crowd up, looking about for likely suspects. And sometimes that sort of thing backfires them. Blade gets bandied about quite abit, as does Raiders Army.

Alas, the true vitriol, though, falls on the loudest speaker of them all. AlanT harangues the crowd, but all it does is draw attention to him. As the day turns toward afternoon, there is growing consensus: if anyone is to die, it must surely be AlanT.

By the end of the day, AlanT seems resigned to what has become his fate. He feels like this has happened to him before, on so many other Day Threes, on so many other occasions when he spoke out.

He resists little as the mob reaches for him for the final time. They search him very carefully, and find some barrell corks, but no surgeon's tools or other artifacts of death. This doesn't steer them from their goal.

They put the noose around his neck, and ask him if he has any sins he wishes to confess to, or any last words.

He says only this: "Has anyone seen my abacus?"

With that, the mob drops at the end of his rope and in a few short moments, Alan T aka Charles Shanding of cooping fame (Keggers R Us), nothing but a simple Londoner, has passed from this life into the next (WW game).

With both the cooper and the bartender dead, Whitechapel might be a dull place tonight--with a fog rolling in to boot.

DAY THREE IS OVER. NIGHT THREE NOW BEGINS. NIGHT ACTIONS ARE DUE AT 7 A.M. EST/4 A.M. PDT FRIDAY.

[Alan T]

Lol, thanks Chief, that lynch did me justice and made me laugh.

I might have lost my abacus, but I definitly have my calendar. I knew it was day 3 and time to check out!

Anyways thanks for the fun all. I'll pop back in when I can to keep up with how it goes :)

[DaddyTorgo]

aaargh. so where do we turn now? fog tonight people...be wary of outdoors

[Mr. Wednesday]

Well, I'm guessing tomorrow's going to be lively.

[dubb93]

:sigh: