Werewolf XXXVIII: Jack The Ripper (GAME OVER! GOOD WINS ON DAY SEVEN)

[Blade6119]

VOTE LYNCH LONESTARGIRL

VOTE LYNCH DADDYTORGO

If you were DC, and knew Barkeep was poisoned, would you go looking in the area he confirmed he would be? I dont know if i would...i just dont know, so for now ill say DT..im very open to change here though

[st.cronin]

Blade, somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think players pick their prostitutes, just an area. So it may have been just been random that DC ended up with Barkeep last night.

[Blade6119]

UNVOTE DADDYTORGO

VOTE DODGERCHICK

Quick change, i know...the robbery is too much for me, seeing as how BrianD and mr.w(two of the killers other victims) were both robbed. I just cant get past that, on top of the fact she initially lied by omission about it.

[Blade6119]

Blade, somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think players pick their prostitutes, just an area. So it may have been just been random that DC ended up with Barkeep last night.

Yes, but it was widely known barkeep was going to be in whitechapel...my point was if i had poisoned him i wouldnt go there at all.

But, now i find it likely she poisoned him last night(cronin, know the rash?..that seems like something barkeep would have known about if it had been before tonight) and robbed him. I also find it likely dubb lied about it being slow-acting, but this implies communication. Im willing to accept this as the likely outcome right now

[st.cronin]

Yes, but it was widely known barkeep was going to be in whitechapel...my point was if i had poisoned him i wouldnt go there at all.

But, now i find it likely she poisoned him last night(cronin, know the rash?..that seems like something barkeep would have known about if it had been before tonight) and robbed him. I also find it likely dubb lied about it being slow-acting, but this implies communication. Im willing to accept this as the likely outcome right now

Well ...

Either it was a slow acting poison or not. If it was, it could have been DC. If it wasn't, it could ONLY have been DC. So, either way, I think I'll need to be talked out of voting for her. In other words, we agree.

[Blade6119]

Cronin, what do you make of the line chief used to describe our chat with path...more to the point the second part, about possibility for error? I dont think he said that about swaggs or schmidty, which caught my eye when i read through.

[Blade6119]

you can answer in PM if you want cronin, dont feel obligated to respond here

[st.cronin]

No idea, really.

[hoopsguy]

FWIW, I've seen three interrogations by you guys - Schmidty, Dubb, and Path. Both Dubb and Path seemed uncomfortable with the process. Schmidty was a quick conversation.

But Path also expressed innocence to me in the PM I got. Yet this was not his secret that I learned (important distinction) but instead I learned that he had been visited by the two of you. I wish Path would come back as an innocent on one of these visits as he has prostitutes at least three times without us getting the information Barkeep got on Bullet the first time out.

[BrianD]

Sweet, I can tap Barkeep now that he is dead. :)

[Blade6119]

My worry was he was a simple londoner, but has been converted...but of that im not sure...just a thought.

Im heading out for most of the day, ill see you all later

[st.cronin]

FWIW, I've seen three interrogations by you guys - Schmidty, Dubb, and Path. Both Dubb and Path seemed uncomfortable with the process. Schmidty was a quick conversation.

Now, that's actually kind of interesting. I don't know if it means anything, though.

[Izulde]

VOTE PATH

VOTE LYNCH LONESTARGIRL

Unless there's some type of conversion ability in the game, which I don't think it's been proven one way or the other that there is, it can't have been DC, circumstantial evidence aside.

Furthermore, it would seem to me that dubb's comment about poisoning would indicate that it is in fact *not* an immediate kill, but one that builds up over time.

[path12]

hoops, you should be able to trust me from what I've written.

Anyhow, I see this as the situation:

1. LSG is good and there's another killer out there.
2. LSG is bad and there's another killer out there.
3. Path didn't lie when he said that someone was poisoned. DC backs this up with her write-up last night.
4. Path lied and nobody was poisoned. DC lies to cover up her murder.

1&2 are not mutually exclusive from 3&4 and vice versa.

You mean dubb instead of me here. I've never claimed anyone was poisoned.

[path12]

Cronin, what do you make of the line chief used to describe our chat with path...more to the point the second part, about possibility for error? I dont think he said that about swaggs or schmidty, which caught my eye when i read through.

Did I not get cleared?? Crap. My PM does say that I was confused about why you wanted to talk to me and that I reluctantly agreed, but I assumed you were able to clear me from the conversation.

[path12]

I wish Path would come back as an innocent on one of these visits as he has prostitutes at least three times without us getting the information Barkeep got on Bullet the first time out.

I do too. :( Unfortunately, I now have no money at all, so I won't be able to clear myself tonight.

[path12]

VOTE PATH

VOTE LYNCH LONESTARGIRL

Unless there's some type of conversion ability in the game, which I don't think it's been proven one way or the other that there is, it can't have been DC, circumstantial evidence aside.

By that same logic, it can't have been me based on the info bullet got from Barkeep night 1.

But I can only deal with the info or lack thereof that has come out. We've certainly got the margin for a bad lynch.

As for me, I think the fact that DC came right out and said she was with Barkeep when he died somewhat offsets the reluctance to mention the stealing. I'm going with the person who has never been vouched for by anyone and IIRC was with Barkeep a couple nights ago.

VOTE DADDY TORGO
VOTE LYNCH LSG

[hoopsguy]

Raiders - earlier in the game (Day 2) you thought you had caught a hint about what DaddyTorgo's role might be.

DT - I think we are far enough along in the game where you can spill your role information to help us make an informed decision today. Including an updated timetable of your night activities, please.

[hoopsguy]

RIP SnDvls. You were in my circle of trust.

I have a theory why Lathum didn't get a kill on Night 1. He didn't kill because he was targeting hoops. hoops was in the Cavell district that night and Lathum was following him. At that point, Sherlock Holmes and Watson (I believe I know who you are) came up on him and chased him away. They interrogated ntndeacon instead.



Raiders, this is the piece of information I was wondering about earlier. I saw NTN, Blade, Cronin, and Lathum in Cavell but I did not see you. Were you in that district this evening? If so, did anyone else see RA there to vouch for this?

Blade, I haven't encountered Raiders at all this game which could be bad luck. But none of the prostitutes have which should mark him as a special - we can't all have had bad luck, right? You seem pretty comfortable with his role, which is good. Does the role you have him slotted for fit with having this kind of information on Night 1?

[Lorena]

Alright, give me a minute to catch up, I'll be answering questions as I come across them.

[Blade6119]

VOTE PATH

VOTE LYNCH LONESTARGIRL

Unless there's some type of conversion ability in the game, which I don't think it's been proven one way or the other that there is, it can't have been DC, circumstantial evidence aside.

Furthermore, it would seem to me that dubb's comment about poisoning would indicate that it is in fact *not* an immediate kill, but one that builds up over time.

Izulde, i mean no offense by this...but after dubb visited you last night i can no longer trust you. Im not saying your evil, but you and your comments are now viewed in a much dimmer light then others. Hoops has also fallen from my COT. You two have been replaced by others, and while respect your opinion, im just telling you i cant drust DC becuase you tell me to.

[Blade6119]

Raiders, this is the piece of information I was wondering about earlier. I saw NTN, Blade, Cronin, and Lathum in Cavell but I did not see you. Were you in that district this evening? If so, did anyone else see RA there to vouch for this?

Blade, I haven't encountered Raiders at all this game which could be bad luck. But none of the prostitutes have which should mark him as a special - we can't all have had bad luck, right? You seem pretty comfortable with his role, which is good. Does the role you have him slotted for fit with having this kind of information on Night 1?
While his theory is somewhat incorrect in my opinion, yes, for night one it makes very much sense. I cant really account for any other night though, and have trusted him all off of night 1.

[Lorena]

VOTE LYNCH LONESTARGIRL

VOTE LYNCH DADDYTORGO

If you were DC, and knew Barkeep was poisoned, would you go looking in the area he confirmed he would be? I dont know if i would...i just dont know, so for now ill say DT..im very open to change here though

Exactly Blade. If I poisoned Barkeep, why would I be dumb enough to go back to him and incriminate myself? We can choose 2 places to find prostitutes, I chose Commercial or Whitechapel. Since I've never been to Whitechapel, I figured maybe I'll find hoops (someone whom I haven't hooked up with) to have someone else to clear me. Unfortunately for me, I went with Barkeep and he died while had sex.

[Blade6119]

Did I not get cleared?? Crap. My PM does say that I was confused about why you wanted to talk to me and that I reluctantly agreed, but I assumed you were able to clear me from the conversation.

It said you were a simple londoner, yes...but unlike with swaggs, schmidty, ntn, and dubb it also stated we might be mistaken. It might just be flavor, but it was noteworthy...

[Blade6119]

Exactly Blade. If I poisoned Barkeep, why would I be dumb enough to go back to him and incriminate myself? We can choose 2 places to find prostitutes, I chose Commercial or Whitechapel. Since I've never been to Whitechapel, I figured maybe I'll find hoops (someone whom I haven't hooked up with) to have someone else to clear me. Unfortunately for me, I went with Barkeep and he died while had sex.
My thought now is the poison is quick acting, not slow acting..so you would have had to visit him to kill him tonight...just so you know why i swapped

[Lorena]

Well ...

Either it was a slow acting poison or not. If it was, it could have been DC. If it wasn't, it could ONLY have been DC. So, either way, I think I'll need to be talked out of voting for her. In other words, we agree.

Someon asked (not sure who) who DaddyTorgo visited. And this is something I saw for myself:

Night 2 - chose Izulde in Cavell
Night 4 - he wanted Barkeep, but I got him first... happened in Commercial District

[Lorena]

Sweet, I can tap Barkeep now that he is dead. :)

/ooc
This game is so full of quotables... I love it :D

[path12]

/ooc
This game is so full of quotables... I love it :D

Like this? :D

Unfortunately for me, I went with Barkeep and he died while had sex.

[Lorena]

LOL, I had my share of some crazy ass quotes huh?

[hoopsguy]

I am again going to challenge anybody aside from DT that's voting for me to provide a justification for the vote.

There was a reference earlier that DT was trusted by MrW, so I went looking for it. This is the closest I can find. I believe it was motivated based on the fact that the two of them were in a run-off against each other rather than on any knowledge of DT as a force for good or evil.

So, Blade has indicated he still trusts RA which means that I will continue to trust him for today. Now I'm interested in what role RA thinks DaddyTorgo was hinting at and hopefully at what point he picked up on hints.

[st.cronin]

unvote Dodgerchick
vote path12

[hoopsguy]

Also, Izulde remains pretty high in my trust list. I don't see any way he could have killed Barkeep, although I do acknowledge there are scenarios where he could be on the side of the bad guys.

For last night, I saw Izulde at the start of the night (all three of us were in the same district) and at the end of the night when we discovered Barkeep.

I know my role does not allow me to visit a prostitute. I know Izulde started off as a prostitute. So I can't imagine he was able to visit Barkeep and poison during lovemaking - which is the death as described by Blade. I would be more concerned with him if we get to a point in the game where there are night kills and he does not have anyone coming forward reporting that they turned a trick.

[Lorena]

Izulde, i mean no offense by this...but after dubb visited you last night i can no longer trust you. Im not saying your evil, but you and your comments are now viewed in a much dimmer light then others. Hoops has also fallen from my COT. You two have been replaced by others, and while respect your opinion, im just telling you i cant drust DC becuase you tell me to.


Blade, so if I die and end up good, will you trust her then? Izulde has had my back THE ENTIRE GAME!!

Well, if something good comes out of my death, I hope one more person is cleared.

[Lorena]

Before I forget:

vote lynch lonestargirl

[Schmidty]

Sorry about disappearing. My internet did end up getting disconnected, so I'm having to connect on my laptop at the diner at the end of the street. Thank goodness they have free wireless.

Anyway, have a good game, and hopefully I'll have my service back soon so I can play again in the near future.

[Swaggs]

I'm not sure if I necessarily want the person who knows this answer to give it to us, but for the trusted of you who have already revealed, do you think there is a limit to the number of days that LSG can be jailed? Or does she need to be charged with a new crime each day she stays?

I am thinking the smart move here would be to keep her alive and vote for Dodgerchick today. Unless we can really pinpoint Barkeep's killer OR we get lucky and manage to lynch them, I think we will have a question as to DC's innocence.

[Raiders Army]

So, Blade has indicated he still trusts RA which means that I will continue to trust him for today. Now I'm interested in what role RA thinks DaddyTorgo was hinting at and hopefully at what point he picked up on hints.

You should trust me. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised that you don't know what my role is. This isn't like the "you" of old. Blade and st. cronin figured it out.

Anyhow, I don't think I hinted at what DT's role was. If I did, then I definitely didn't know what I was talking about. I believe the only thing that I could deduce was that Mr. Wednesday trusted DT, dubb, and bulletsponge. By association, I trusted them. We all know what happened with dubb, so...

[Lorena]

Not that this means anything, but I am Anthony Guillory, a normal Londoner. The fishy smell wasn't the prostitutes, it was my clothing for I am a fisherman.

My role isn't important at all, so you will lose nothing. I'm just hoping that once I turn up good, that you'll at least trust Izulde since he KNOWS my role.

[Lorena]

I probably shouldn't of capitalized KNOW because my role isn't anything, just counts toward good side.

[hoopsguy]

You should trust me. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised that you don't know what my role is. This isn't like the "you" of old. Blade and st. cronin figured it out.

Anyhow, I don't think I hinted at what DT's role was. If I did, then I definitely didn't know what I was talking about. I believe the only thing that I could deduce was that Mr. Wednesday trusted DT, dubb, and bulletsponge. By association, I trusted them. We all know what happened with dubb, so...

Raiders, I'll have to go back again and look for the post, but I'm pretty sure you said something like "I don't catch a lot of hints, but I caught that one" to DT after he talked about being a trader.

In terms of your role, I've held onto the notion of you holding a specific role for the past couple of days and I still do. I'm much more interested in exploring DaddyTorgo than you today, but I did want assurances from Blade on people I had considered trusted coming into today. If we were on the same page, then I could spend my efforts working on the less trusted people (DT is one of those).

If my posts didn't convey this, then obviously I didn't type them all that well.

[Lorena]

Well, I was hoping on getting an answer from CR, but knowing blade, if I don't respond by the time he logs on, then he'll build a case against be based on the fact that I'm withholding information:
----------------------------------------------------

Night 0 - Start w/ 10 shilling, no action

Day 1 - Earn 3 shilling, total 13 shilling

Night 1 - Hired Izulde in Bishopsgate (- 5 shilling), was robbed and costed me (-3 shilling) to replace, have a total of 5.

Day 2 - Earn 3 shilling, total of 8 shilling

Night 2 - no action, looked for Izulde in Cavell but she went with DT instead, was not robbed and keep my 8 shilling.

Day 3 - Earn 3 shilling, total of 11 shilling

Night 3 - Go to Opium Den (-5), was robbed again, used (-3) of my shilling to replace, I have a total of 3 shilling.

Day 4 - Earn 3 shilling, 6 shilling total

------------------------------------

I'm stopping here, there seems to be a discrepancy with the amount of shilling I had after this night, so I need to confirm before I post anything.

[Blade6119]

Well, I was hoping on getting an answer from CR, but knowing blade, if I don't respond by the time he logs on, then he'll build a case against be based on the fact that I'm withholding information
:rolleyes:

[Lorena]

:rolleyes:

:)

so since you're here blade, is there anything (except the shilling part), you wanna ask me?

[Blade6119]

:)

so since you're here blade, is there anything (except the shilling part), you wanna ask me?

I already asked you the question i want to know, and you said you cant answer it until chief responds...its what prompted your unnecessary comment about me.

[Lorena]

I already asked you the question i want to know, and you said you cant answer it until chief responds...its what prompted your unnecessary comment about me.

Did I strike a nerve? Sorry blade, but I kinda thought you'd bring this up and somehow hold it against me.

[Blade6119]

Did I strike a nerve? Sorry blade, but I kinda thought you'd bring this up and somehow hold it against me.
I would only do that if i thought i had a bad guy and wanted votes quickly. I dont have any damning evidence of you, just a lot of circumstansial...i would not do something like that in this situation, especially not to a friend

[hoopsguy]

Is the amount of money stolen a variable amount?

[st.cronin]

ok trying again after my post got eaten by the tubes ...

Izulde can clear DC as of which night? Because if it's just night 1, that's not really that convincing.

[Lorena]

Is the amount of money stolen a variable amount?

It has ALWAYS been 3 with me.

[DaddyTorgo]

summary??

oh and sorry I missed the hanging out last night...I was asleep at my computer at that point

[Blade6119]

It has ALWAYS been 3 with me.

Then how did you steal 30 from barkeep?

[hoopsguy]

Daddy - since you are in the thread I think we all would be interested in your timeline for the last few days.

[DaddyTorgo]

hoops - I will type it up soon as I get home. I only have 4 more minutes on my lunch break here at work unfortunately....and internet on my phone is not the place to by typing up my timeline. I can tell you though that lynching me would be the wrong course of action...as unhelpful as the flowers I have provided have been.

I am a simple trader...in town to sell said flowers to a certain proprieter. that's all.

I should get home before lynch, but just in case:

VOTE LYNCH DODGERCHICK

VOTE NO LYNCH LONESTARGIRL

the stealing is damming DC...sorry
and I like blade's argument for keeping lsg alive I think?

sorry can't bold on phone CR. back to work as of 1 min ago!

[DaddyTorgo]

hoops - I will type it up soon as I get home. I only have 4 more minutes on my lunch break here at work unfortunately....and internet on my phone is not the place to by typing up my timeline. I can tell you though that lynching me would be the wrong course of action...as unhelpful as the flowers I have provided have been.

I am a simple trader...in town to sell said flowers to a certain proprieter. that's all.

I should get home before lynch, but just in case:

VOTE LYNCH DODGERCHICK

VOTE NO LYNCH LONESTARGIRL

the stealing is damming DC...sorry
and I like blade's argument for keeping lsg alive I think?

sorry can't bold on phone CR. back to work as of 1 min ago!

[Blade6119]

for the first time all game im totally confused as to who to go after

[Antmeister]

lol, I forgot my password and exhausted my 5 attempts so I have to use Antmeister's computer.

Then how did you steal 30 from barkeep?

Yeah, I stole 30 shillings from Barkeep (5 of which were mine), but I've had 3 shillings stolen from me every single time.

This'll be my last post in a while cuz Antmeister isn't exactly happy with me using his name on a WW thread.

[SnDvls]

This'll be my last post in a while cuz Antmeister isn't exactly happy with me using his name on a WW thread.

should have seen my shock seeing him post here...but what does he care it doesn't count anyhow ;)

[Raiders Army]

for the first time all game im totally confused as to who to go after

FWIW, I'm not strong on Dodgerchick at all (remember I was the first one to put a vote on her today). I could vote for Daddy Torgo rather easily since I don't like the pile on Dodgerchick with no hard evidence against her.

[Blade6119]

FWIW, I'm not strong on Dodgerchick at all (remember I was the first one to put a vote on her today). I could vote for Daddy Torgo rather easily since I don't like the pile on Dodgerchick with no hard evidence against her.
For me its the robbery, not the timing. Mr. W and brian d were also robbed when killed..thats what keeps my vote on DC...DT is just a guess, especially with his supposed 4 gold a night...but im very torn, and i could vote for path, izulde, and even hoops tonight

[Blade6119]

dola, and her not telling us until it became public we knew he was robbed and she was with him..then she admitted it, and said she didnt tell us becuase she was worried it would get her lynched.

DC, ill tell you right now for the future. Not telling us things that make you look bad is a lot worse then telling us. When we find out through other means, it will look a lot worse for you.

[Raiders Army]

Current vote tally (let me know if I'm wrong):

Dodgerchick (3)-Raiders Army, Blade, Daddy Torgo
Path (2)-Izulde, st. cronin
Daddy Torgo (1)-path

Not voted: bulletsponge, hoops, Dodgerchick, Swaggs

It's still very much open.

[Lorena]

Oh yay, I'm in. I used the same password every time I attempted to log in... not sure wht happened.

Anyway, I don't know what else to say other than what's been said.

[Lorena]

For me its the robbery, not the timing. Mr. W and brian d were also robbed when killed..thats what keeps my vote on DC...DT is just a guess, especially with his supposed 4 gold a night...but im very torn, and i could vote for path, izulde, and even hoops tonight

It's circumstantial evidence blade. That's fine, I made my peace with my lynching, just don't be surprised when I show up as good.

[Raiders Army]

It's circumstantial evidence blade. That's fine, I made my peace with my lynching, just don't be surprised when I show up as good.

Did you vote yet?

[Lorena]

e hardola, and her not telling us until it became public we knew he was robbed and she was with him..then she admitted it, and said she didnt tell us becuase she was worried it would get her lynched.

DC, ill tell you right now for the future. Not telling us things that make you look bad is a lot worse then telling us. When we find out through other means, it will look a lot worse for you.

Alright, I learned my lesson, the hard way unfortunately.

[hoopsguy]

Quick player recaps:

Hoops - I know I started good and remain good, but others obviously get to judge for themselves on this point.

Izulde - Unlike earlier in the game, I have now seen that Izulde is a prostitute, which means that he started good.

Raiders - have not encountered yet, but vouched for by Blade

Swaggs - have not encountered yet, but vouched for by Blade

Blade/Cronin - have seen them together three times. I suppose there is a slight possibility that they are not Holmes/Watson but I have no interest in exploring this point today

Path - have seen Path on two nights so far. Do we have any instances where someone has killed on the same night they visited a prostitute? Has anyone seen two prostitutes in a single night (would be expensive)

Daddy - have not encountered him yet this game although he has seen prostitutes earlier in game (will try to pull up posts from Barkeep/Izulde). Has stated he is not a common villager - has he been robbed? Would seem like a good candidate for this if he can accumulate money faster and is not spending it ... if I'm not voting for DC I'm probably voting for him

Bullet - was vouched for as good by Barkeep early in the game. So like the prostitutes, only way for him to now be bad is for a conversion mechanic to exist in the game.

Dodgerchick - seems to have spent a few nights with prostitutes, although not me. Was with Barkeep last night and stole money from him on her way out.

[path12]

For the record, I think my vote is staying on DT regardless of the possibility of saving myself by switching. I'm going to be surprised if DC is bad so I don't see the point of switching to someone else I think is good.

[Raiders Army]

Path - have seen Path on two nights so far. Do we have any instances where someone has killed on the same night they visited a prostitute? Has anyone seen two prostitutes in a single night (would be expensive)

If I had a million bucks, you know what I'd do? Two chicks at once.
.

[Lorena]

Did you vote yet?

No, I haven't. Out of self perseverance, I'm waiting.

[Izulde]

By that same logic, it can't have been me based on the info bullet got from Barkeep night 1.

But I can only deal with the info or lack thereof that has come out. We've certainly got the margin for a bad lynch.

As for me, I think the fact that DC came right out and said she was with Barkeep when he died somewhat offsets the reluctance to mention the stealing. I'm going with the person who has never been vouched for by anyone and IIRC was with Barkeep a couple nights ago.

VOTE DADDY TORGO
VOTE LYNCH LSG

Hmm good point. DT was with Blade and was with Barkeep a couple nights ago.

While I still have my suspicions about you, the evidence for DT does seem stronger so therefore

UNVOTE PATH

VOTE DADDYTORGO

[Izulde]

Izulde, i mean no offense by this...but after dubb visited you last night i can no longer trust you. Im not saying your evil, but you and your comments are now viewed in a much dimmer light then others. Hoops has also fallen from my COT. You two have been replaced by others, and while respect your opinion, im just telling you i cant drust DC becuase you tell me to.

I find it a little curious that your COT has changed for those reasons, because the prostitutes have no say in who visits them.

But no offense taken. :)

[hoopsguy]

Here are my summaries of the Night actions. After this review I think it is less likely we are facing multiple opponents, unless one of them is LoneStarGirl.


Post #455 (Night 1 results)
BrianD - beaten to death and robbed
Fouts - mauled by Hyde (Saldana)
Tyrith - killed in home by werewolf (Dubb)
No action by Lathum (Jack)

Post #845 (Night 2 results)
SnDvls - torn apart (Dubb?)
Izulde was arrested
Lathum lynched Day 2
No action by Saldana
No action by other killer(s) - Fagin/Moriarity?
Conversion chance this night? If so, could be Bullet or a prostitute as "known" goods

Post #1298 (Night 3 results)
Schmidty - beaten to death by Hyde (Saldana)
Mr Wednesday - backstabbed
Swaggs was arrested, Izulde released
No action by Dubb

Post #1768 (Night 4 results)
LoneStarGirl arrested, Swaggs released
No action by Dubb or other killer(s)

Post #1964 (Night 5 results)
Barkeep - poisoned during a visit from a john
LoneStarGirl remains in jail
No action by any other killer(s)

[hoopsguy]

And a hush falls over the crowd.

[Lorena]

I have shotty internet access, so I'm gonna have to vote before I can't vote at all:

Vote DaddyTorgo

Since I know I'm good and DT was the other John that visited Barkeep, then I'm assuming it's him.

'Til later... hopefully I'm still alive.

[Blade6119]

Hmm good point. DT was with Blade and was with Barkeep a couple nights ago.

While I still have my suspicions about you, the evidence for DT does seem stronger so therefore

UNVOTE PATH

VOTE DADDYTORGO

When the hell was DT with me???? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[hoopsguy]

DC, are you suggesting that DT visited Barkeep last night? Or earlier in the game?

[Izulde]

When the hell was DT with me???? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Sorry, meant to type Barkeep and didn't notice I typed your name by mistake until you pointed it out.

[Blade6119]

I find it a little curious that your COT has changed for those reasons, because the prostitutes have no say in who visits them.

But no offense taken. :)

If dubb converted you, does it matter? He would have been just as happy with any of the others, except maybe barkeep if he was poisoned days ago.

[Blade6119]

Here are my summaries of the Night actions. After this review I think it is less likely we are facing multiple opponents, unless one of them is LoneStarGirl.


Post #455 (Night 1 results)
BrianD - beaten to death and robbed
Fouts - mauled by Hyde (Saldana)
Tyrith - killed in home by werewolf (Dubb)
No action by Lathum (Jack)

Post #845 (Night 2 results)
SnDvls - torn apart (Dubb?)
Izulde was arrested
Lathum lynched Day 2
No action by Saldana
No action by other killer(s) - Fagin/Moriarity?
Conversion chance this night? If so, could be Bullet or a prostitute as "known" goods

Post #1298 (Night 3 results)
Schmidty - beaten to death by Hyde (Saldana)
Mr Wednesday - backstabbed
Swaggs was arrested, Izulde released
No action by Dubb

Post #1768 (Night 4 results)
LoneStarGirl arrested, Swaggs released
No action by Dubb or other killer(s)

Post #1964 (Night 5 results)
Barkeep - poisoned during a visit from a john
LoneStarGirl remains in jail
No action by any other killer(s)

Note, both Mr. W and Barkeep were robbed just like brian D...thats the key to why im still looking at DC over izuldes trust

[st.cronin]

Does anybody think there is any value in going through the people KNOWN to have been seen with Barkeep? I'm thinking of switching back to DC.

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, there is absolutely value in this. The only concerns is that it may not represent a complete list.

[hoopsguy]

Of course, that list of people includes Path, DaddyTorgo, Bullet, and Dodgerchick - pretty sure they are all confirmed.

[Blade6119]

Cronin, there is absolutely value in this. The only concerns is that it may not represent a complete list.

Quite frankly im fine with either DT or DC being lynched...doesnt matter much to me...ill just scan the other tonight

[Blade6119]

Of course, that list of people includes Path, DaddyTorgo, Bullet, and Dodgerchick - pretty sure they are all confirmed.

DT is not confirmed, and DC confirmation is in doubt after what we all saw

[Raiders Army]

Of course, that list of people includes Path, DaddyTorgo, Bullet, and Dodgerchick - pretty sure they are all confirmed.

Problem is, confirmed by whom? Mr. Wednesday vouched for DT and bullet. Izulde vouched for DC. I'm at a loss as to who vouched for path. Also, just for language purposes, how about vouch instead of confirm. I think confirm is somewhat misleading.

[Blade6119]

I should say, this is the same izulde dubb believed would clear him and then came in and gave a shaky story

[hoopsguy]

Confirmed visits to Barkeep. So upon further review that doesn't narrow down my list all that much. Maybe overlaying it with the days they did visit would be more valuable?

I'm not sure if these days are correct
Night 0 - Path
Night 1 - Bullet
Night 2 - two johns
Night 3 - ????
Night 4 - Daddy Torgo and Dodgerchick (per Blade's post 1993)
Night 5 - Dodgerchick and someone else?

Barkeep was robbed of 30 shillings, so we should be able to figure out the number of johns. Start with 10, expenses knock off 2 per day. So with Night 0 counting that is -10. Forty shillings accumulated = 8 johns. So either it was just DC yesterday with someone on Night 3 or BK came up empty on Night 3 and doubled up again yesterday.

[hoopsguy]

Sorry about the use of word choice "confirmed" there - realized it as I posted it but it took awhile to run the numbers and track down posts for my next point/post.

[Blade6119]

With DT, I can only confirm that he was Izulde's john last night, nothing more than that.

With bulletsponge and dubb, I can account for their whereabouts during intervals last night, again nothing more than that.

It seems fairly likely that neither is Mr. Hyde, but I would not commit to neither being the werewolf nor neither being Moriarty/Fagin/crew.

Here is Mr. W supposed confirmation of DT hoops is going off of. He in no way clears DT.

Suprise suprise though, its Izulde again...he seems to keep popping up

[hoopsguy]

Scratch that last post, bad math.

Start with 10.
Had 10 in expenses over five days.
30 stolen

6 johns, we have them all accounted for in the above post.

[st.cronin]

unvote path12
vote DodgerChick

I'm going with Holmes on this one.

[Blade6119]

Scratch that last post, bad math.

Start with 10.
Had 10 in expenses over five days.
30 stolen

6 johns, we have them all accounted for in the above post.

No, there are 7 in that post..DC claims she took her 5 back as well from last night, so you have to count her twice.

[Izulde]

I should say, this is the same izulde dubb believed would clear him and then came in and gave a shaky story

I'd like to point out that I in no way cleared dubb, nor had any intention of clearing him. As far as I'm concerned, dubb's comment was just a ploy to try and sow discord among the good guys and your feeding into it shows that it's working.

Don't let it work.

[hoopsguy]

Here is Mr. W supposed confirmation of DT hoops is going off of. He in no way clears DT.

Suprise suprise though, its Izulde again...he seems to keep popping up

Let's be accurate in reporting the data - I was asking why people thought MrW had cleared DaddyTorgo. I was trying to build a case against him, not clear him.

[Blade6119]

I'd like to point out that I in no way cleared dubb, nor had any intention of clearing him. As far as I'm concerned, dubb's comment was just a ploy to try and sow discord among the good guys and your feeding into it shows that it's working.

Don't let it work.

No, i dont trust you becuase the only 3 people i know to have visited you reads the 2 top suspects right now and the WW..that speaks poorly, dubby or not

[hoopsguy]

No, there are 7 in that post..DC claims she took her 5 back as well from last night, so you have to count her twice.

I guess that depends on how you interpret the numbers. Did DC say she got 30 + her 5? Or that she lifted 30 from the apartment?

Either way, at this point I'm going to

VOTE DODGERCHICK

[Izulde]

No, i dont trust you becuase the only 3 people i know to have visited you reads the 2 top suspects right now and the WW..that speaks poorly, dubby or not

Why should that speak poorly? I told you, it's entirely random who visits what prostitute. The only thing prostitutes control is what district they work in each night.

[hoopsguy]

Also, does anyone have an idea where we are on the LSG lynch/no lynch vote?

[hoopsguy]

Why should that speak poorly? I told you, it's entirely random who visits what prostitute. The only thing prostitutes control is what district they work in each night.

Izulde, would you publish your entire list of visits by night?

As for Blade's point, it speaks to you having bad luck and a greater chance of being converted, if that metric is in the game.

[Lorena]

DC, are you suggesting that DT visited Barkeep last night? Or earlier in the game?

It was suggested that DT and I were the only 2 that weren't totally cleared (even though Izulde has repeatedly cleared me as good), so I'm going on that assumption.

I was talking about Night 4 when DT was also there.

[Blade6119]

Yeah, I stole 30 shillings from Barkeep (5 of which were mine), but I've had 3 shillings stolen from me every single time.

Hoops, apprently i mispoke as she says only 5 were hers. I would assume after two times it would be 10. Do you get paid before or after the fun?

[hoopsguy]

I don't think it is explicit in terms of when the transaction takes place. Our money summary is at the end of the PM.

[Izulde]

Night 0: Fouts
Night 1: Dodgerchick (common Londoner - good)
Night 2: About to go off with DaddyTorgo, but jailed
Night 3: Released from jail after working hours
Night 4: dubbs (had an opium den dream about the Sleeper Awakening (red herring is my guess) )
Night 5: path deliberated between me and hoops, chose hoops. DC deliberated between me and Barkeep, chose barkeep. No play for me.

[Blade6119]

Night 4: dubbs (had an opium den dream about the Sleeper Awakening (red herring is my guess) )

That actually sounds like a conversion to me, but i have to go

[Izulde]

That actually sounds like a conversion to me, but i have to go

Nope, nothing came up in the PM that said I was converted, so my belief is I'm still good.

Besides, telling someone about a dream would be a pretty silly conversion mechanism.

[Lorena]

For me its the robbery, not the timing. Mr. W and brian d were also robbed when killed..thats what keeps my vote on DC...DT is just a guess, especially with his supposed 4 gold a night...but im very torn, and i could vote for path, izulde, and even hoops tonight

That's exactly why I didn't mentioned I robbed him... I knew if I mentioned it, it would incriminate me. But I guess it doesn't matter.

So question, I would really like to know why I'm getting lynched. Is it because BK died and I was with him, or is it because I robbed him? It's one or the other.

[hoopsguy]

Could mean someone else was converted, potentially.

What the hell was DT doing last night? No urchins, no prostitutes (Izulde saw Path and DC - which is different from my experience on previous evenings - but none of us saw DaddyT) - opium? Why, when visiting a prostitute could help his cause?

[Raiders Army]

Just read and got caught up. I think it's a bad idea to vote Barkeep today. Right, now, it is down to DT, RA and Wednesday for me. I think I'm gonna put some pressure on Torgo and see if we can't get something out of him. This vote is subject to change.

VOTE DADDYTORGO

Interesting vote on Day 2 when we hit Lathum. He switched votes on Day 2 to Lathum once hoops presented his case. This is also making me think that DT is okay.

[Raiders Army]

I'm thinking about switching my vote to Izulde.

[Lorena]

I wanna reiterate what happened last night, as it seems there might be confusion of when I robbed BK:

I go to Commercial and didn't find anyone so I go to Whitechapel Rd where Barkeep, Izulde and Hoops are hooking on the corners. Barkeep and I are having sex and he pushes me away making choking sounds. I am so freaked out (as I was IRL when I read it) that I freeze and don't wanna go out then he dies. I didn't get my money's worth so I go to the dresser, look in her purse and find 30 shilling (5 were mine). Since she's dead, I take it and I go home, to my flat in Bishopsgate.

[hoopsguy]

If we just have the one bad guy in play, we have him down for kills potentially on Nights 1, 3, and 5.

He robbed Brian D (at least) and may get some kickbacks from urchins if he is Fagin.

DaddyTorgo tried to get Izulde on Night 2 when he was arrested and hooked up with Barkeep on Night 4 (Blade, are you positive it was this night?)

DodgerChick says she tried to hire Izulde Night 2 (Izulde, can you verify this from your Night 2 PM) and was with Barkeep Night 4. But was also with Barkeep last night (confirmed) and Izulde Night 1 (confirmed). So for DC to kill on Night 1 and be with a prostitute who sees her as good in that same period seems like a stretch.

UNVOTE DODGERCHICK
VOTE DADDYTORGO

[Raiders Army]

Night 0: Fouts
Night 1: Dodgerchick (common Londoner - good)
Night 2: About to go off with DaddyTorgo, but jailed
Night 3: Released from jail after working hours
Night 4: dubbs (had an opium den dream about the Sleeper Awakening (red herring is my guess) )
Night 5: path deliberated between me and hoops, chose hoops. DC deliberated between me and Barkeep, chose barkeep. No play for me.

DodgerChick says she tried to hire Izulde Night 2 (Izulde, can you verify this from your Night 2 PM) and was with Barkeep Night 4. But was also with Barkeep last night (confirmed) and Izulde Night 1 (confirmed). So for DC to kill on Night 1 and be with a prostitute who sees her as good in that same period seems like a stretch.

I don't think Izulde concurs with your assessment on Night 2.

[Raiders Army]

The more I think about it, the more I think DC is the right choice tonight. Good bye Lorena.

[Swaggs]

I'm here and looking for some guidance.

Right now, I am thinking that dubb set us up with the "slow acting poison" comment.

[Lorena]

The more I think about it, the more I think DC is the right choice tonight. Good bye Lorena.

LOL, it's cool. If I'm bad, i certainly don't know about it.

[Raiders Army]

Well, you're gonna hang one way or the other.

[hoopsguy]

Swaggs, I'm on board with that analysis (Dubb lying) if you believe that Brian's killer on Night 1 is different than Barkeep's killer on Night 5. Or if you believe that someone can both visit a prostitute and kill in the same night. Either of those explanations would allow the easy choice today (Dodgerchick) to be the killer last night.

[Swaggs]

Do we know if Blade can interview people while they are in jail?

[Swaggs]

Refresh me on the circumstances of Brian D.'s murder?

[Raiders Army]

I don't believe he can because they can't do anything while in jail.

[hoopsguy]

See Post #2072 for a review of all the Night actions (listed Night 1 here for you):

Post #455 (Night 1 results)
BrianD - beaten to death and robbed
Fouts - mauled by Hyde (Saldana)
Tyrith - killed in home by werewolf (Dubb)
No action by Lathum (Jack)

[Lorena]

So question, I would really like to know why I'm getting lynched. Is it because BK died and I was with him, or is it because I robbed him? It's one or the other.

Anyone?

[hoopsguy]

DC, considering I changed my vote for me it is neither at the moment.

AFK for a few, hope to be back before deadline.

[Lorena]

Well, I'm thoroughly frustrated right now, so I'm outta here.

[Chief Rum]

NOTE: POTENTIAL GM ISSUE

The power at my place has gone on the blink again. It's really annoying; it's the third time in less than a month that we have had a power outage to our neighborhood/area. I don't know what the heck is going on. I am at a Kinko's right now.

I may need to end tonight's voting early, as I can't stay on here for too long. I will be reading up on the thread here and doing some errands, but then I will have to end the day, even if it is not 7 yet.

So please vote as soon as possible if you have not already (or if you intend to change your vote).

The power outage could have no effect being the next couple hours and we're game on for tomorrow. Be prepared, however, for me being without power all night, which means I will not be able to process Night Actions tomorrow morning. If this happens, I will process Night Actions tomorrow night after I return from work (about 9-10 p.m. PDT) and then we will have the normal lynch time in place for 7 p.m./4 p.m. EST/PDT on Wednesday. This is all assuming I get power back (I should) and if the game is still going (I ain't sayin').

So sorry for the bad news. Cross your fingers you hear from me tomorrow morning after I run tonight's lynch.

How much are they charging me for power again? :mad: ?

[Tyrith]

Night 0: Fouts
Night 1: Dodgerchick (common Londoner - good)
Night 2: About to go off with DaddyTorgo, but jailed
Night 3: Released from jail after working hours
Night 4: dubbs (had an opium den dream about the Sleeper Awakening (red herring is my guess) )
Night 5: path deliberated between me and hoops, chose hoops. DC deliberated between me and Barkeep, chose barkeep. No play for me.

Chief, did you ever play Everquest, by chance? :P

[Swaggs]

I think I am just going to hope we hit a homerun today:

Vote Dodgerchick
Vote Lynch LSG

[Lorena]

I think I am just going to hope we hit a homerun today:

Vote Dodgerchick
Vote Lynch LSG

Yeah, unfortunately you're gonna strike out.

[path12]

Confirmed visits to Barkeep. So upon further review that doesn't narrow down my list all that much. Maybe overlaying it with the days they did visit would be more valuable?

I'm not sure if these days are correct
Night 0 - Path
Night 1 - Bullet
Night 2 - two johns
Night 3 - ????
Night 4 - Daddy Torgo and Dodgerchick (per Blade's post 1993)
Night 5 - Dodgerchick and someone else?

Barkeep was robbed of 30 shillings, so we should be able to figure out the number of johns. Start with 10, expenses knock off 2 per day. So with Night 0 counting that is -10. Forty shillings accumulated = 8 johns. So either it was just DC yesterday with someone on Night 3 or BK came up empty on Night 3 and doubled up again yesterday.

Catching up. I can confirm you are correct for night 0.

[path12]

Problem is, confirmed by whom? Mr. Wednesday vouched for DT and bullet. Izulde vouched for DC. I'm at a loss as to who vouched for path. Also, just for language purposes, how about vouch instead of confirm. I think confirm is somewhat misleading.

RA, bullet learned from Barkeep on his night 1 visit that the john from night 0 was good. That was me, and is all I have as far as a vouch goes. If you believe in conversions (not sure I do at this point) you obviously have to take that into account.

[path12]

Night 4: dubbs (had an opium den dream about the Sleeper Awakening (red herring is my guess) )

I missed this completely. Could you clarify it?

[hoopsguy]

I feel lost at the end of days when I don't keep track of the votes - will start doing that again tomorrow.

[path12]

Nope, nothing came up in the PM that said I was converted, so my belief is I'm still good.

Besides, telling someone about a dream would be a pretty silly conversion mechanism.

The dream could hint at someone else awakening. Without copying it, could you paraphrase the details?

[Chief Rum]

Chief, did you ever play Everquest, by chance? :P

Nope. If you're saying my game is like crack, then thanks! Otherwise I don't know what you're driving at. :)

[path12]

That's exactly why I didn't mentioned I robbed him... I knew if I mentioned it, it would incriminate me. But I guess it doesn't matter.


Because it wasn't incriminating enough being in bed with her when she died? :)

That's the one thing with the story, you were gonna have problems with that to begin with, holding off on stealing the money seemed minor in comparison to me.

That said, I still don't think you're evil.

[hoopsguy]

I also think I gave off enough of a hooker vibe to draw Jack's attention - hoopsguy

I'm flattered to take over the quote section, but RA's comment was definintely funnier :)

[hoopsguy]

Did Bullet ever vote?

[hoopsguy]

Because I'm wondering if we are at 4-4-1 right now.

[path12]

I don't remember. I was swamped today and just kept skimming.

[Chief Rum]

I have it at 5-4 now. As follows:

DC—RA, Blade, DT, path12, Swaggs
DT—stcronin, Izulde, DC, hoops

Does that seem right to everyone?

[Lorena]

I'm flattered to take over the quote section, but RA's comment was definintely funnier :)

There were so many quotes I wanted to put on my signature from this game but refrained. (BrianD's was one of them)

Chief, thanks for running such an awesome game. I think I got a little carried away with my character at times though ;)

[path12]

I have it at 5-4 now. As follows:

DC—RA, Blade, DT, path12, Swaggs
DT—stcronin, Izulde, DC, hoops

Does that seem right to everyone?

I voted DT, not Dodgerchick.

[hoopsguy]

Chief, you have Path listed with both people.

[path12]

By that same logic, it can't have been me based on the info bullet got from Barkeep night 1.

But I can only deal with the info or lack thereof that has come out. We've certainly got the margin for a bad lynch.

As for me, I think the fact that DC came right out and said she was with Barkeep when he died somewhat offsets the reluctance to mention the stealing. I'm going with the person who has never been vouched for by anyone and IIRC was with Barkeep a couple nights ago.

VOTE DADDY TORGO
VOTE LYNCH LSG

For the record.

[Chief Rum]

Yeah, I had path and st cronin reversed, and then replaced st cronin with path. Ugh.

St cronin your vote is on DC, isn't it?

If so, it should be as follows:

DC—RA, Blade, DT, stcronin, Swaggs
DT—path, Izulde, DC, hoops

[hoopsguy]

That sounds right, but I haven't written votes down the last few days so I'm going from memory.

[Chief Rum]

For the record.

I know, path. I just put the wrong name know. This sucks doing this at Kinkos. I HATE Anaheim power utility right now.

[hoopsguy]

Dola - Cronin is only one I'm not sure about in terms of recalling conversations, but I think your list is correct.

[path12]

st.c voted dodgerchick #2091.

[Chief Rum]

I'm going to confirm right now, but regardless, deadline has passed. We'll see where it ends up.

[Chief Rum]

st.c voted dodgerchick #2091.


Thanks. Pretty sure I have it right, but with it so close, I need to be sure.

[path12]

I know, path. I just put the wrong name know. This sucks doing this at Kinkos. I HATE Anaheim power utility right now.

I've also lost power three times in the past month. I feel your pain.

[Chief Rum]

Okay it is confirmed. I am doing the writeup right now.

[Blade6119]

The dream could hint at someone else awakening. Without copying it, could you paraphrase the details?

This was exactly what i meant when i said it sounded like a conversion...i wasnt saying izulde, but it seemed to me to signify a the bad guy gained a bad guy that night(the night we had no kills if im not mistaken)

[Blade6119]

DaddyTorgo tried to get Izulde on Night 2 when he was arrested and hooked up with Barkeep on Night 4 (Blade, are you positive it was this night?)
Barkeep said he hooked up with DC and DT that night...thats how positive i am, meaning i know nothing about it...just passed along what Barkeep said.

[DaddyTorgo]

damm. missed the deadline. home now though. and i'll put together a list of my night actions here in a minute.

[DaddyTorgo]

hoops...last night i was falling asleep and missed the deadline to get my night action in.

[Lorena]

Dang, 30 shillings gone to waste :(

[Blade6119]

Dang, 30 shillings gone to waste :(

That will teach you to steal :p

[Lorena]

That will teach you to steal :p

lol :D

Hey, I'm just a poor fisherman that was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Chief Rum]

For the first time in days, the mob seems confused as to who to go after. There are two clear choices. Dodgerchick and Daddy Torog are both highly suspected of being responsible for Barkeep's death this past night. But who?

The vote revolves all day, as the arguments go back and forth. Finally, as the sun begins to set, one side gets its consensus, and the lynch is on.

Dodgerchick and LoneStarGirl, two days in jail now, are led to Whitechapel Road. The mob sees little reason to hold up LoneStarGirl's lynch now, as there is no other suspect currently for Mr. Wednesday's death.

They put the noose around her neck as she visibly alters between staring them in defiance and showing her fear for what is about to happen. She is soon hanging in the air, fighting for any breath she can get. But none is soon coming--LoneStarGirl is dead.

The mob turns to Dodgerchick. She seems more openly fearful and remorseful. She offers them the shillings she stole, for repentance if nothing else. "Keep them, Judas!", the crowd roars. This makes her angry and she quiets down to take her punishment as well as can be expected. She is soon hanging beside LoneStarGirl, and it is not long before she has breathed her last. Dodgerchick is dead.

The bodies are cut down and searched. By all accounts, they both look to be normal Londoners.

The mob is not satisfied with this. They go to the homes of the suspects to search them. In LoneStarGirl's home, they find a wealth of stolen goods and several dirty homeless orphans holed up inside, hiding. Clearly, they have found the home of the evil Fagin! They have indeed removed a blight from Whitechapel today!

Can they hit gold twice? The mob searches Dodgerchick's flat. Sadly, there is no obvious signs of despicability here. She was what she said she was--a simple fisherman, in the wrong place at the wrong time.

As the mob retreats into the streets of Whitechapel, they consider carefully what evil they may have done in trying to eradicate other evils from their district.

DAY SIX IS NOW OVER. NIGHT SIX NOW BEGINS. IF NORMAL PLANS HOLD, THERE WILL BE A NIGHT ACTION RUN TOMORROW MORNING AT 7 A.M. EST/4 A.M. PDT. IF NOT, IT WILL LIKELY BE A LATE NIGHT ACTION RUN TOMORROW NIGHT, ABOUT 10 P.M. PDT, WITH THE NEXT DAY DEADLINE SET FOR WEDNESDAY EVENING, NORMAL TIME. PLEASE SEE PREVIOUS GM POST FOR EXPLANATION.

[Izulde]

I *told* you guys DC was good and a normal Londoner. :mad:

[Lorena]

:(

[Blade6119]

lol :D

Hey, I'm just a poor fisherman that was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Only in WW can someone make love to a hooker soo badly they die, rob them after they die in your arms, be seen by multiple people do all this this, and be deemed good by society in the end. Well, i guess WW and senators...

[Blade6119]

I *told* you guys DC was good and a normal Londoner. :mad:

We got fagin, for all intensive purposes im happy as can be..sucks DC had to go, but she brought that on herself for not telling us up front about the robbery. I wouldnt have gone after her nearly as hard if she hadnt tried to hide it.

[hoopsguy]

Blade, I'm not sure that Daddy is a lock for a scan tonight.

Izulde and Hoops - started good as prostitutes
Bullet - revealed good by Barkeep on Night 1
Blade/Cronin - dynamic duo
Raiders/Swaggs - both trusted by Blade
Path - scanned by Blade last night

If you are worried about a conversion in the game scan someone you trust and lets see if we get lucky. If there are no conversions then DaddyTorgo is the only one left as potentially an original evil.

Take your shot on someone else, if you don't come up with a bad guy we go ahead and lynch DaddyTorgo. Unless we believe there were six bad guys we are not in much danger right now. We've already had a brutal wolf in this game (Lathum) so we aren't at risk in that manner as we approach end game.

[hoopsguy]

By "scan someone you trust" I mean scan someone that isn't Daddy - obviously you understand your own trust list just fine and don't need to explain it to anyone.

I would consider DaddyTorgo to be a fall-back lynch at this time. And if that sounds cold, well he has missed two actions already this game, has had long lapses of non-participation, and has no substantial vouches heading into Night 6. Sorry, but those are the breaks.

[Chief Rum]

All right, I am out. Hopefully will be up running tomorrow morning. But if you don't hear from me, you know what's going on. Be sure to get your night actions by the deadline anyway.

Good luck!

[Blade6119]

Blade, I'm not sure that Daddy is a lock for a scan tonight.

Izulde and Hoops - started good as prostitutes
Bullet - revealed good by Barkeep on Night 1
Blade/Cronin - dynamic duo
Raiders/Swaggs - both trusted by Blade
Path - scanned by Blade last night

If you are worried about a conversion in the game scan someone you trust and lets see if we get lucky. If there are no conversions then DaddyTorgo is the only one left as potentially an original evil.

Take your shot on someone else, if you don't come up with a bad guy we go ahead and lynch DaddyTorgo. Unless we believe there were six bad guys we are not in much danger right now. We've already had a brutal wolf in this game (Lathum) so we aren't at risk in that manner as we approach end game.
Dubb was also a brutal wolf, but our constable spent money to save me...remember that.

Right now the question i want you ask you. Do you believe we have a conversion, or moriarty. If the latter, DT makes the most sense for a scan...if the former, he does not. Do you assume that role is not in the game, which states is a role against holmes, which i am in the game.

[hoopsguy]

I'll be in Commercial if anyone is looking for action tonight.

[hoopsguy]

Moriarty only - 50% likelihood
Conversion only - 25% likelihood
Moriarty + conversion - 25% likelihood

Assuming you are right with your trust on RA and Swaggs, then the only people who could have started bad are DT or Path with a cunning wolf ability, right?

Starting with five bad guys, who can execute multiple kills on given evenings, and have a conversion, seems to be significantly upping the ante in terms of difficulty. The good guys have their share of advantages so I'm not ruling it out.

[Blade6119]

Moriarty only - 50% likelihood
Conversion only - 25% likelihood
Moriarty + conversion - 25% likelihood

Assuming you are right with your trust on RA and Swaggs, then the only people who could have started bad are DT or Path with a cunning wolf ability, right?

Starting with five bad guys, who can execute multiple kills on given evenings, and have a conversion, seems to be significantly upping the ante in terms of difficulty. The good guys have their share of advantages so I'm not ruling it out.
Our biggest advantage was 2 seers, and 2 roles that can support their seers(1 with BG powers, one with arrests). We just got unlucky they got NTN so early, especially after the 2 seers found each other on night 1 and could have worked together.

Outside of that, the hookers are partial seers.

How about this:

CONSTABLE, ARREST DADDYTORGO PLEASE

That way, if need be, we can take 2 again(hightening our chances of catching evil)

[Lorena]

Ya'll are really not reading what I post... it's alright, I'm used to it.

[Blade6119]

Ya'll are really not reading what I post... it's alright, I'm used to it.

I read what you posted, and understand your feelings. Im just telling you in my opinion if you had come out with the info all up front i think DT would have been lynched. Bad guys hide incriminating info, good guys share it. It looked bad when you hid it, whatever your intentions.

Thats my .02, take it for what you will

[hoopsguy]

Our biggest advantage was 2 seers, and 2 roles that can support their seers(1 with BG powers, one with arrests). We just got unlucky they got NTN so early, especially after the 2 seers found each other on night 1 and could have worked together.

Outside of that, the hookers are partial seers.

How about this:

CONSTABLE, ARREST DADDYTORGO PLEASE

That way, if need be, we can take 2 again(hightening our chances of catching evil)

Love it.

[DaddyTorgo]

By "scan someone you trust" I mean scan someone that isn't Daddy - obviously you understand your own trust list just fine and don't need to explain it to anyone.

I would consider DaddyTorgo to be a fall-back lynch at this time. And if that sounds cold, well he has missed two actions already this game, has had long lapses of non-participation, and has no substantial vouches heading into Night 6. Sorry, but those are the breaks.



hoops...my "long lapses of non-participation" are due to my work schedule, which if you will note, I have always posted about well in advance. so don't use that as a reason to lynch me. sucks that my work schedule sucks so much, but them's the breaks...i don't have the luxury of having the sort of job where i can sit around all day and play WW. missed night actions...yep. done that. i was tired last night and confused by the options CR presented for the weekend. so lynch me for that. blah. vouches? izulde was about to get busy with me, through no fault of his own. and barkeep and i definately had a good time, although I didn't poison him, so don't jump to that conclusion. who else did he service who could have poisoned him?

[Raiders Army]

I knew LSG was a baddie! Not really...

[Blade6119]

DT..for better or worse, no one can vouch for you. LSG, dubb, saldana and lathum were all unvouched for by anyone...all 4 came up evil. Do you know who alive left is unvouched for by anyone...just you.

You have to see where were coming from then...besides, if your good go to a prostitute tonight and earn your trust.

[hoopsguy]

Daddy, I have led lynch expeditions for much thinner reasons than I have outlined here.

But if you want to help us win the game, rather than complain about people gunning for you, put together a comprehensive post of your activities - what have you done with day/night actions so far this game?

Also, I'm working with the idea that you do not have a bodyguard or seer power at this point in time. I would assess the risk/reward associated with a full reveal if you are a good guy at this stage in the game. We are going to be heading into Day 7 tomorrow. I expect you will be safe as a kitten from the bad guys tonight.

If you are not going to have the bandwidth at work tomorrow to be able to post in your own defense then please do it this evening. I don't want to see us make a mistake because of perceived inactivity, but lacking other candidates/reasons I'll take my chances if you don't engage yourself within seven days of game play.

[DaddyTorgo]

Daddy, I have led lynch expeditions for much thinner reasons than I have outlined here.

But if you want to help us win the game, rather than complain about people gunning for you, put together a comprehensive post of your activities - what have you done with day/night actions so far this game?

Also, I'm working with the idea that you do not have a bodyguard or seer power at this point in time. I would assess the risk/reward associated with a full reveal if you are a good guy at this stage in the game. We are going to be heading into Day 7 tomorrow. I expect you will be safe as a kitten from the bad guys tonight.

If you are not going to have the bandwidth at work tomorrow to be able to post in your own defense then please do it this evening. I don't want to see us make a mistake because of perceived inactivity, but lacking other candidates/reasons I'll take my chances if you don't engage yourself within seven days of game play.

i've engaged in the game hoops. taking cheap shots at me for having to work is pretty low, and honestly is a good way of discouraging me from participating in future WW games. not that i expect that to cause you to back off or really get any response from anyone other than a sarcastic "boo hoo" or "maybe you shouldn't" from you or anyone, but just FYI.

i don't suppose I have the option of visiting a prostitute tonight, as Blade has called for RA to arrest me tonight and haul me off to jail.

i will put together a list of my actions tonight, and also FYI I am not working tomorrow and I intend to do a bunch of stuff on my computer so I should be around.

[hoopsguy]

Daddy, I honestly don't see the cheap shot in that post. If anything, I tried to outline ways that I thought you could avoid being lynched tomorrow.

It isn't a matter of post count, as Swaggs has relatively few in this game. But he is vouched for, so he doesn't draw much attention.

It isn't a matter of wanting to discourage anyone from playing the game - I try to be as inclusive as possible in both my public posts and private conversations with people. I enjoy playing werewolf games on this board and the best way to ensure a steady stream of games is to keep players around and engaged in order to build their enjoyment.

If this is a defense that you are mounting as a bad guy, I have sympathy for being in that position two games in a row. Ask Lathum how it feels to be a bad guy every time out; I'm sure he has thoughts on the matter. As do others who have been there ...

Looking forward to chatting with you tomorrow.

[Raiders Army]

i've engaged in the game hoops. taking cheap shots at me for having to work is pretty low, and honestly is a good way of discouraging me from participating in future WW games. not that i expect that to cause you to back off or really get any response from anyone other than a sarcastic "boo hoo" or "maybe you shouldn't" from you or anyone, but just FYI.

FWIW, I don't think anyone is taking cheap shots at you. I also don't think that it would be in anyone's interest to discourage anyone else from playing in future WW games. My two cents.

[DaddyTorgo]

Daddy, I honestly don't see the cheap shot in that post. If anything, I tried to outline ways that I thought you could avoid being lynched tomorrow.

It isn't a matter of post count, as Swaggs has relatively few in this game. But he is vouched for, so he doesn't draw much attention.

It isn't a matter of wanting to discourage anyone from playing the game - I try to be as inclusive as possible in both my public posts and private conversations with people. I enjoy playing werewolf games on this board and the best way to ensure a steady stream of games is to keep players around and engaged in order to build their enjoyment.

If this is a defense that you are mounting as a bad guy, I have sympathy for being in that position two games in a row. Ask Lathum how it feels to be a bad guy every time out; I'm sure he has thoughts on the matter. As do others who have been there ...

Looking forward to chatting with you tomorrow.

alright...fair enough. I guess i was just being a bit...testy.

[Blade6119]

FWIW, I don't think anyone is taking cheap shots at you. I also don't think that it would be in anyone's interest to discourage anyone else from playing in future WW games. My two cents.
Ya, we dont say things like this:

"Oh, your still playing raiders??? I thought you would have quit by now with how bad you are...god, never play WW again RA. Ever since we failed in X-com you have just been going downhill...hang em up RA, your just not the player you once were."

We may think it, but we dont tell him...i mean tell anyone


:p

[Blade6119]

Bulletsponge has been the least active player alive now that LSG is dead..does it upset me, yes...can i do anything about it? Well, besides lynching him, no...Is he helping us win this, not at all...he didnt even vote today. But barkeep was vouching for him earlier.

Though with conversion possible, he suddenly is less trusted and apparently doesnt care to be around to share his thoughts

[Raiders Army]

Ya, we dont say things like this:

"Oh, your still playing raiders??? I thought you would have quit by now with how bad you are...god, never play WW again RA. Ever since we failed in X-com you have just been going downhill...hang em up RA, your just not the player you once were."

We may think it, but we dont tell him...i mean tell anyone


:p

I won't tell this RA fellow if you don't. ;)

[hoopsguy]

Seriously, he already has to live with being a Raiders fan.

[hoopsguy]

What worse, rooting for horrid NFL team or having jbmagic as your team prolific fan FOFC board?

[Raiders Army]

What worse, rooting for horrid NFL team or having jbmagic as your team prolific fan FOFC board?

That's a no-win situation right there. At least in FOF and Madden, the Raiders are doing quite well. :D

[Blade6119]

DT, as someone who has by far the most experience taking and giving WW cheap shots(i went like 5 games straight a ways back with a MAJOR blow-up with a new person every game...we havent had a major blow-up since egypt, so understand they werent minor).

Ive come to learn that WW can make people angry, can make them say comments you dont like, and can generally make you want to strangle them. At the end of the day though, our little community is pretty close. Schmidty and i used to hate each other and we get along great now. Lathum and i, well you dont even want to know how bad that was...were quite amiable now. DC and barkeep both took a shot at me this game with comments, but i talk to both outside of FOFC in very friendly terms. I think it took me awhile to understand its the game, not the people, causing the tension. A lot of the people here(in the WW community) will go out of their way to be nice to each other. Most are really decent people(except raiders, but we covered that ;) ). Once i learned to not let those things get to me my enjoyment of WW increased 10 fold. Now i feel like its a fraternity where we may have small arguements and squabbles, but at the end of the day were all friends and somewhat a family here in our corner of FOFC(not counting raiders again, noted). I hope in time you will come to see it that way too, and will be comfortable saying things like what i have about raiders becuase you both know your joking.

[Blade6119]

time for bullet to get mad at me for a cheap shot i regretted posting the second i did it

[Alan T]

But I really do hate you all!

[bulletsponge]

ok, i see im still alive.

[bulletsponge]

time for bullet to get mad at me for a cheap shot i regretted posting the second i did it

what cheap shot?

[Blade6119]

what cheap shot?
Just look away, dont go looking for it

[path12]

I'll be in Commercial if anyone is looking for action tonight.

No cash, plus I need some variety.

[Alan T]

But I really do hate you all!

p.s. I totaled up my air-miles for 2006. Ended up with 47216 miles for the year. Not as much as the past two years though!

[Blade6119]

p.s. I totaled up my air-miles for 2006. Ended up with 47216 miles for the year. Not as much as the past two years though!

Go away back stabbing ninja, my eye still hurts!!

[bulletsponge]

Bulletsponge has been the least active player alive now that LSG is dead..does it upset me, yes...can i do anything about it? Well, besides lynching him, no...Is he helping us win this, not at all...he didnt even vote today. But barkeep was vouching for him earlier.

Though with conversion possible, he suddenly is less trusted and apparently doesnt care to be around to share his thoughts


is this the cheap shot post you were refering to? whats bad about it?

[Blade6119]

is this the cheap shot post you were refering to? whats bad about it?

I said you werent helping us win...wow, if your not offended then im happy. Im used to having to apologize for even the slightest slant. I dont mean it as an insult, so i hope you dont take it that way.

[bulletsponge]

I said you werent helping us win...wow, if your not offended then im happy. Im used to having to apologize for even the slightest slant. I dont mean it as an insult, so i hope you dont take it that way.


meh. you sniff out the badies better than i ever would. plus i havnt been reading :rolleyes: , so i couldnt follow if i wanted to. just staying alive and keeping the odds in our favor is all im really any good for now anyways

[Lathum]

I agree with everything BLade said. Everythime there is some tension I think we should post a link to the egypt game so people can realize things aren't so bad anymore...

[Blade6119]

meh. you sniff out the badies better than i ever would. plus i havnt been reading :rolleyes: , so i couldnt follow if i wanted to. just staying alive and keeping the odds in our favor is all im really any good for now anyways

I have a role, nothing more..you showed your skills when you set me up a few games back with your night actions, so your quite capable

[Blade6119]

I agree with everything BLade said. Everythime there is some tension I think we should post a link to the egypt game so people can realize things aren't so bad anymore...

you were madddddddd that game, oh boy...im still stunned i get mid-day killed right after we have our total breakdown and no one connects the dots :eek:

Im still paying you back for that, and im looking forward to when were both bad so i can cut you loose on day 1 and laugh :p

[dubb93]

you were madddddddd that game, oh boy...im still stunned i get mid-day killed right after we have our total breakdown and no one connects the dots :eek:

Im still paying you back for that, and im looking forward to when were both bad so i can cut you loose on day 1 and laugh :p

I'm bored. Someone link it.

[Mr. Wednesday]

We got fagin, for all intensive purposes im happy as can be.
That should be, "for all intents and purposes."

Sorry, misworded idiom peeve of mine.

[Blade6119]

That should be, "for all intents and purposes."

Sorry, misworded idiom peeve of mine.
Daddytorgo...remember when i said we all like each other? Scratch that, i now hate someone

:)

[Blade6119]

I'm bored. Someone link it.

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=50375&highlight=Necromancer

Its in that thread, around night 3 day 4 i believe.

[Tyrith]

I second Alan in hating you all, especially Alan himself :P and hoops!

[st.cronin]

Lathum day-killing Blade is easily the greatest FOFC werewolf moment ever. Heck, it's got to be on the short list of greatest FOFC moments ever.

[st.cronin]

I can't believe this game isn't over yet.

[Chief Rum]

Hey all, it appears the power has returned. Hopefully it will hold on into the morning at least.

Plus, I found out my second job went against months of scheduling consistency and have me off tomorrow night. Go figure. So it will be business as usual, assuming there is still a game to be played at that point.

[Chief Rum]

Deadline. Writeup coming.

[Chief Rum]

Despite the iffy nature of the lynch in the day time, the people of Whitechapel remain resolved to settle this matter within the next day or two. There are calls to arrest Daddy Torgo, as Dodgerchick's innocence can only mean he is guilty, can it not, they reasoned?

They will not wait around on the Chief of Inspectors, though. They have another night to try to pass alive. They return quietly to their homes to wait it out.

It is a quiet night, and not many are out except for the prostitutes--and the constables! They do indeed find DaddyTorgo in Whitechapel, getting some dinner, and they arrest him on the charge of suspicion of the murder of Barkeep! There is no incident in his arrest, and he is removed to the jail on Whitechapel Road.

The public remains inside while this is happening--but apparently that cannot keep them safe. Early in the wee morning hours, hoopsguy[/b[, working on a corner in Commercial, hears a door opening and closing repeatedly in the wind a block over from his spot for the night. He goes to investigate, and soon arrives at [b]path12's door.

Soon a hue and cry has been raised. path12 is dead! A dagger has been thrust into his heart, and his flat is torn up from the struggle.

And yet, DaddyTorgo was already in jail...

[b]NIGHT SIX NOW ENDS. DAY SIX NOW BEGINS. THE DEADLINE FOR VOTING AND DAY ACTIONS IS 10 P.M. EST/7 P.M. PDT. THE MINIMUM REQUIRED LYNCH NUMBERS IN THE REGULAR LYNCH IS TWO.

DADDYTORGO IS ALSO UP FOR LYNCHING.

[Chief Rum]

PMs coming shortly.

[hoopsguy]

No hookups, no one seen. Just the discovery of Path's body, as detailed in the general message.

Blade, hope that you came up with something clever with your view last night. The fact that you have been left alive this long implies to me that our killer is probably someone in your trust list.

Taking out Path took some guts too as he would likely have been among the list of top targets with DaddyTorgo locked up.

[Izulde]

No hookups, no one seen for me either and I was in Whitechapel. Was a real dead night too.

I also find path's murder quite surprising, as he and DaddyTorgo were two of the most talked about suspects.

[Raiders Army]

I'm guessing that either Moriarty or a Freemason killed path. I hope it was Moriarty. That being said, if it was Moriarty then DT is innocent.

[Izulde]

VOTE LYNCH DADDYTORGO

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

I still suspect DT of poisoning Barkeep, and bullet's been awfully UTR and the only one I'm getting anything close to an evil vibe from at this point.

[Raiders Army]

I can go with that.

VOTE BULLETSPONGE
VOTE LYNCH DADDYTORGO

[Lorena]

i've engaged in the game hoops. taking cheap shots at me for having to work is pretty low, and honestly is a good way of discouraging me from participating in future WW games. not that i expect that to cause you to back off or really get any response from anyone other than a sarcastic "boo hoo" or "maybe you shouldn't" from you or anyone, but just FYI.

I feel the same way almost every game. Usually after signing up I tell myself, why in the hell did I sign up? There's something strangely appealing about this game. I'm lucky though, I do have time to play, but there are times that I get so damn frustrated that I feel like not playing anymore. Actually, I still feel like that. But I'm a chick and get emotional over stupid things, things I probably shouldn't. That and I really suck, I'm fucking terrible... clues get thrown around and when people say "I read the clues" I'm like what fucking clues? I didn't read shit.

Anyway, just wanted to say I know where you're coming from DT.

[ntndeacon]

I feel the same way almost every game. Usually after signing up I tell myself, why in the hell did I sign up? There's something strangely appealing about this game. I'm lucky though, I do have time to play, but there are times that I get so damn frustrated that I feel like not playing anymore. Actually, I still feel like that. But I'm a chick and get emotional over stupid things, things I probably shouldn't. That and I really suck, I'm fucking terrible... clues get thrown around and when people say "I read the clues" I'm like what fucking clues? I didn't read shit.

Anyway, just wanted to say I know where you're coming from DT.

I just assume they are picking on my character. And that they don't know squat. I too hardly ever see the clues bandied about in most games.

[Lathum]

Lathum day-killing Blade is easily the greatest FOFC werewolf moment ever. Heck, it's got to be on the short list of greatest FOFC moments ever.

fond memories...:p

[hoopsguy]

Daddy, when you sign on - were you able to complete any activities last night before you were arrested?

That is one thing that has been challenging for me in trying to understand nightly events - I have not been able to follow when events are happening in terms of the two phases (1st or 2nd) or to understand what people can do in conjunction with their actions.

However, with Path's death I'm moving further towards the idea that people can not both visit a prostitute and kill on the same evenings.

There is not a single person left alive who has visited me at night.
People I have not seen at all during night sessions: Raiders, Swaggs, Bullet, Daddy.

[hoopsguy]

I'm also looking for someone to come up with a good reason that we would not do full role reveals today - are there still meaningful reasons to hold onto role information in order to keep someone alive at night? They have left Blade (seer) alive for 3+ nights now ...

[path12]

Crap, I was hoping to make it till the end. Good luck!

[path12]

I feel the same way almost every game. Usually after signing up I tell myself, why in the hell did I sign up? There's something strangely appealing about this game. I'm lucky though, I do have time to play, but there are times that I get so damn frustrated that I feel like not playing anymore. Actually, I still feel like that. But I'm a chick and get emotional over stupid things, things I probably shouldn't. That and I really suck, I'm fucking terrible... clues get thrown around and when people say "I read the clues" I'm like what fucking clues? I didn't read shit.

Anyway, just wanted to say I know where you're coming from DT.

FWIW, I don't think any of us always see the clues, and sometimes the clues are frankly wrong. I think that you've come a lot further than you think you have, and I'd say the same for all of the newer players. You guys bring a lot to the table even when you think you don't.

It's really just a matter of playing more, there's no light bulb that magically comes on, you just start to see things that you might not have before. But never think that you don't have something to add as a newer player -- and if any of us are making you feel that way you need to call us on it, because it's likely not intentional or personal, but just a comment in the heat of the moment.

[hoopsguy]

I think both Path and Blade had really good posts on the larger werewolf community.

I think this is a challenging game to play if you do not have cycles to give to it - there are several hundred posts a day coming from a large number of players at the outset of the game. Some of those people are trying to deceive you, while others are trying to provide information to help you make good decisions. I think it is a substantial advantage having time to see some of the information posted in real-time and be able to react to it. Reading a ton of posts at the end of the day has to be tough, as you have only a limited ability to shape the conversation by that point in time.

There is also an advantage from having played with people in previous games, as you start to build some kind of a profile for how that person acts in certain roles/situations. This is, I think, where the vets do build up a bit of an advantage in play. But that doesn't mean they are right all the time - or even most of the time.

Anyways, I would be very interested in having conversations about how we can make the game more enjoyable for people - whether it is structure of a game or changes in inter-personal behavior. I know the majority of the folks here have a lot of fun playing this game and want to continue running engaging, vibrant games with participation from everyone involved. That said, I think that moving that conversation out of this thread and into a more specific thread on the topic might be a better way to go so we don't threadjack Chief's game and to potentially include a bigger audience.

[Blade6119]

Raiders, i think its time for you to come out with everything...its not a secret anymore, and your now the only uncleared person alive

As of now, bullet would be my vote...but im not ready to place it just yet.

[hoopsguy]

Blade - why Raiders vs Swaggs? I have thought Raiders had a certain role but I've never had any feel for what Swaggs' role is.

I understand you want Raiders to come forward, but some illumination between these two would be helpful.

[Blade6119]

Blade - why Raiders vs Swaggs? I have thought Raiders had a certain role but I've never had any feel for what Swaggs' role is.

I understand you want Raiders to come forward, but some illumination between these two would be helpful.
I have scanned swaggs, and know what role he has(or had at the time i suppose)...i have not scanned raiders.

[Raiders Army]

i don't suppose I have the option of visiting a prostitute tonight, as Blade has called for RA to arrest me tonight and haul me off to jail.
Well, as DT surmised, I can arrest people. I arrested Izulde on a guess based on his vote for Day 1, but that was apparently wrong. I arrested Swaggs because I suspected him. I arrested LSG because she was quiet and nobody vouched for her. Of course, I arrested DT because Blade told me to. ;)

I am the Chief of Inspections. The reason why I knew what happened with Lathum following hoops was because ntndeacon followed hoops that night to figure out who he was. It was revealed that hoops was a simple prostitute at the time. I have never gone out at night and I have no idea about money in this game. Thus, the gold comment at the beginning of the game. I can also duke the vote and prevent someone from being lynched.

That being said, because I have Swaggs in jail we can lynch him tonight or keep him in jail or free him. The way we keep him in jail is by bringing evidence forward that he committed the murder of Barkeep. FWIW, I do not need any evidence to jail someone; however, to keep them in jail another day/night, I must present evidence like everyone else. I did so with LSG in a PM to Chief Rum. It can be any evidence, however flimsy, but Chief Rum is the sole judge of what constitutes enough to keep that person in jail.

[Raiders Army]

Forgot a few other things:

There can be up to two people in jail at a time.
Anyone who is arrested and released cannot be jailed again. So Izulde and Swaggs cannot be jailed again.

[Blade6119]

And for everyone who cant connect the dots, i scanned NTN deacon night one...so raiders knew us because of our chat with NTN, who he could speak freely with like cronin and I can. We knew him when he spoke about knowing both holmes and watson the next morning. So we have both protected the other.

I lied about seeing raiders in my urchin bid to stop the lynch turning his way, he bought silver bullets and saved me from dubb.

[hoopsguy]

Raiders, that is the role I expected you to have, although obviously didn't know the particulars.

How did you and Blade interact early in the game? Because I still don't understand that part if you don't go out at night and Blade has never formally looked you up?

[Raiders Army]

I lied about seeing raiders in my urchin bid to stop the lynch turning his way, he bought silver bullets and saved me from dubb.
FWIW, that wasn't me. I just attributed that to the write-up.

[st.cronin]

I won't get completely caught up til later this afternoon, but I think our last bad guy screwed up last night. I was planning on pushing hard for a path lynch today.

[hoopsguy]

OK, so lets go over information that we have up to this point.

Izulde - known good Night 0
Hoops - known good Night 1 (per RA via NTN)
Bullet - known good Night 1 (per Barkeep)
Blade/Cronin - Holmes/Watson
RA - Inspector
Swaggs - ???
DT - ???, but what was sequence for jailing vs killing? Night results suggest jail first ...


Raiders, can you shed any light on the timing of a jailing compared to other night actions?

[Blade6119]

FWIW, that wasn't me. I just attributed that to the write-up.

Well screw you, i thought you went out of your way to help me...never mind, go ahead and lynch raiders



:p

[hoopsguy]

DaddyT - how did you know that Raiders did the jailing? I suspected it, but that was based to a certain extent on past games played. To the best of my knowledge, you have not played in a game with him before.

Did you have access to information? If so, how?

[Blade6119]

OK, so lets go over information that we have up to this point.

Izulde - known good Night 0
Hoops - known good Night 1 (per RA via NTN)
Bullet - known good Night 1 (per Barkeep)
Blade/Cronin - Holmes/Watson
RA - Inspector
Swaggs - ???
DT - ???, but what was sequence for jailing vs killing? Night results suggest jail first ...


Raiders, can you shed any light on the timing of a jailing compared to other night actions?
Swaggs - Known good night 3 (per Blade and Cronin)

[Blade6119]

DaddyT - how did you know that Raiders did the jailing? I suspected it, but that was based to a certain extent on past games played. To the best of my knowledge, you have not played in a game with him before.

Did you have access to information? If so, how?

Well, he was the only person whos role wasnt public knowledge..it didnt seem a big secret to me who RA was

[Raiders Army]

Raiders, can you shed any light on the timing of a jailing compared to other night actions?

Nope. I don't know how the timing goes. I believe I asked that question of Izulde and Swaggs earlier. I was confused that one was able to perform a night action and one was not. FWIW, I don't believe that DT did not perform a night action. My guys got him while he was eating dinner.

As per the last sentence above, I don't go out. I have some guards who go out and get people.

[Swaggs]

That being said, because I have Swaggs in jail we can lynch him tonight or keep him in jail or free him. The way we keep him in jail is by bringing evidence forward that he committed the murder of Barkeep. FWIW, I do not need any evidence to jail someone; however, to keep them in jail another day/night, I must present evidence like everyone else. I did so with LSG in a PM to Chief Rum. It can be any evidence, however flimsy, but Chief Rum is the sole judge of what constitutes enough to keep that person in jail.

I'm not in jail. DT is.

[Swaggs]

I was able to go to the opium den to get high AND be questioned by Blade and cronin (who should both be able to verify this) on Night 3, so it appears that it is possible to carry out a night action before being arrested.

[hoopsguy]

Well, he was the only person whos role wasnt public knowledge..it didnt seem a big secret to me who RA was

Swaggs' role was not public knowledge - I still have no idea what he does.

Thanks for the update on that "known good" list.

[Swaggs]

BTW, I did not go out last night because I still couldn't afford it.

[Swaggs]

Swaggs' role was not public knowledge - I still have no idea what he does.

Thanks for the update on that "known good" list.

I am the local tanner. No special abilities.

[Blade6119]

Swaggs' role was not public knowledge - I still have no idea what he does.

Thanks for the update on that "known good" list.

Yes it is, he is a simple londoner...i said it the morning after i scanned him, but later on i hinted at him having one when he and raiders were squabbling quite frankly to give the bad guys more targets to consider. Swaggs was a simple londoner on night 3.

[Blade6119]

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