Werewolf XLV - ROME! (Game over, post 3425)

[Poli]

That said, I can't believe someone put a 1 star vote on this thread. I know I put the 5 star in.

[Poli]

I've got a feeling I'm about to be boxed.

[DaddyTorgo]

I think barkeep merged the threads because I responded to something you had said in there. I actually debated whether to respond in that thread or just in here. But I figured you wouldn't see it in here, and I wanted to try to get you to come back in here and tell me what you meant ardent.

[Poli]

The only way I knew what you said, DT, was if I had been in here reading what's going on in the thread.

[DaddyTorgo]

my vote for ironhead explained (versus my vote for me when I already have 2 votes for me too).

I know i'm innocent. And aside from thinking I'm a wolf, I like the tenor of Ironhead's analysis. I would have rather voted for CR as my other vote, but he pulled himself out of the running.

And I honestly think Kwhit/Pass would be just as good as Ironhead. Not a lot seperating the three of them

[Poli]

Not a fan at all of this. I was just trying to avoid this critical garbage that I post useless garbage. Now all my "useless" garbage of my own thread is here.

Meh.

[Poli]

I guess now I'm held to the req that I can't edit my post from my former thread. Bah.

[DaddyTorgo]

The only way I knew what you said, DT, was if I had been in here reading what's going on in the thread.

d'oh. Good point. Brain...not really...working...today...no coffee

[Poli]

I recognize this isn't a huge deal and I need to chill out. Be back later.

[Barkeep49]

Not a fan at all of this. I was just trying to avoid this critical garbage that I post useless garbage. Now all my "useless" garbage of my own thread is here.

Meh.
I don't think you post any more useless garbage than most heavy posters.

[Grammaticus]

VOTE IRONHEAD CONSUL
VOTE KWHIT CONSUL

VOTE "MAKE THE BAD MAN FLY MOMMY! MAKE HIM FLY!!" (throw Neon_Chaos off the rock)


Nice song of fire and ice reference. That is exactly what I have been thinking of regarding the whole off the cliff thing.

[Grammaticus]

Hey DC, the deadline is at 9pm today ;)

[Grammaticus]

I don't think you post any more useless garbage than most heavy posters.

I know there was at least one good post over in your special thread.

[DaddyTorgo]

Nice song of fire and ice reference. That is exactly what I have been thinking of regarding the whole off the cliff thing.


niiiiiice. I was wondering who was going to get that reference! figured someone would

[KWhit]

Vote to execute Neon Chaos

Vote Autumn Consul
Vote Coffee Warlord Consul

[Peregrine]

vote Kwhit for consul

vote Ironhead for consul

[Peregrine]

Also, I'm going to arrest Barkeep tonight. I've been looking back over all the trust/distrust lists that have been posted and he's someone that seems to keep coming up on the distrust side of several people. Narcizo has previously said he'll arrest Dodgerchick.

[Tyrith]

Any current vote count?

[Ironhead]

Vote Ironhead for Consul
Vote Autumn for Consul

Aside from me the other people that I would really want to put as Consul would be Chief Rum and Narcizo. I can't vote for Narcizo and Chief Rum requested that we not vote him as Consul. Autumn isn't 100% in my book but he has put forth some good analysis and strategies throughout the game so I feel alright about voting for him as Consul.

Vote Throw Chubby/Lonestargirl off the Rock

I feel that regardless of who gets lynched tonight we have a very good chance of turning up a wolf. Neon Chaos is a good choice to lynch, but given that I felt enough suspicion to throw Chubby off the rock last night I see no reason not to vote the same way today.

Note: After discussing the role of Balbus Senna with Chief Rum earlier I have changed my bid from Maximus Maximus to Balbus Senna.

[Grammaticus]

So it looks like the vote will be against Dogeaus and Barkeepeus tomorrow.

[st.cronin]

Any current vote count?

5 Ironhead
5 Autumn
4 KWhit
2 Passacaglia
2 Barkeep
2 Daddytorgo
2 CoffeeWarlord
1 Dodgerchick
1 Grammaticus
1 Ardent

[Tyrith]

Don't want KWhit in power for the concentration reason I talked about previously, and with which CR agrees.

Going to try to put a little bit of separation here with two people I trust reasonably so far.

VOTE ELECT IRONHEAD
VOTE ELECT AUTUMN

[path12]

Sorry for not being around, I've been sick as a dog this weekend for some reason. Catching up on about 5-6 pages now.

[Barkeep49]

Peregrine: You'll notice that even CR has backed off some on me and Anxiety has placed enough trust in me to vote for me for consul. I think you could do better with tomorrow's arrest.

[path12]

Just to review the status of the plan right now. Here is how I presented it. I have added in CAPS what has publically been stated about these bids.

Dodgeus Erchickus-- Bid for MACRO, the sword killer--MAY BE BIDDING FOR ARDENT INSTEAD. NEED TO CONFIRM.
Kayus Whitus-- Bid for ARDENT, lawyer--HASN"T SAID IF HE WILL PARTICPATE. IF DC BIDS ON ARDENT, HE WOULD NEED TO BID FOR MACRO THE SWORD KILLER.
Abeus Anxietus-- Bid for DURUS PIMPUS, sex slave dealer--HAS REFUSED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PLAN SO FAR

Ironus Headus-- Bid for MAXIMUS MAXIMUS, legionnaire/BG--HAS POSTED BUT NOT SAID HE SUBMITTED A BID. WE NEED IRONHEAD TO GET IN ON THIS.
Passus Caglius-- Bid for VITUS AVIDUS, legionnaire/BG-- HAS PUT INA BID.

This should be all that is necessary to control the services. I would like to set up backup options, but I am uncertain of this because we start to get to more suspicious people (IMO). CoffeeWarlord and path12, though, have to be committed, because they are on the same level as Ironhead and Passacaglia. Wemust also lock down what they bid on.

Thusly, they should bid on:

Coffeus Yakus Warlordus-- Bid for MACRO, the sword killer== HAS PUT IN A BID. IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL RIGHT NOW, WITH THE TOP WEALTH ISSUES.
Pathus Twelvus-- Bid for ARDENT, lawyer-- HAS NOT POSTED IF HE PUT IN A BID, TO MY KNOWLEDGE (HASN'T POSTED AT ALL, I THINK).

Narcizo and I are in the next wealth group, so we should submit backup bids as well. I will bid for the sex slave dealer, if Narcizo will bid for one of the legionnaires/BGs.

NARCIZO AND I HAVE BOTH PUT IN OUR BIDS, MINE FOR THE SEX SLAVE, NARCIZO FOR THE BODYGUARD. PEREGRINE HAS PUT IN A BID FOR THE SEX SLAVES.

BARKEEP AND GRAMMATICUS HAVE OFFERED TO PUT IN BIDS, NO WORD YET, HOPEFULYL COMING.

AUTUMN HAS NOT BEEN SEEN SINCE YESTERDAY AND NOT KNOWN IF HE WILL PARTICIPATE.

Given all of the above, I would be primarily concerned (after the top tier issues) about making sure Ironhead states if he has gotten a bid in, and if Path12 and Autumn show up to put in backup bids.


If this is still valid when I get to the end of catching up I will put in my bid for Ardent as shown above. I see no problems with this plan. DC's blowup though makes me feel about 90% sure she's good.

[path12]

OK. Placing a bid for Ardent now. Votes:

THROW NEON OFF ROCK

ELECT AUTUMN CONSUL
ELECT KWHIT CONSUL

I think arresting DC is a mistake, but looks like that's a done deal. I also am glad the AE thread was merged, and I think he made some good points with his analysis.

[Grammaticus]

That said, I can't believe someone put a 1 star vote on this thread. I know I put the 5 star in.

How can you tell that someone put in one star? I just see the average.

[Poli]

I put a 5 star in. One vote doesn't show up...it takes two votes. The second vote made the average 3.

[Autumn]

Hi guys, as I said on Friday, I've been out of town, and am jumping in just before the deadline.

I like the plan for bidding for services. I'm not of high enough wealth to really help out, but I'll put in a backup bid for someone I suspect may not do as asked.

I'm trying to see wehre the vote situation is, but in order not to miss the deadline I'll vote first, change it later if necessary.

VOTE IRONUS HEADUS FOR CONSUL
VOTE AUTUMNUS LEAVUS FOR CONSUL

VOTE TO EXECUTE NEONUS CHAOSUS

[Autumn]

If someone could give me a brief recap on arrest suspects for tomorrow, and on the voting situation on the execution, I'd appreciate it.

[Autumn]

To explain my votes, since I think I'll be keeping them that way, Neonus Chaosus has just been on my slightly suspicious list for a while. I don't have any evidence, but I feel like we're so behidn we have to risk executing, and I have more of a feel on him than on Chubbus.

I saw that as of last count Ironhead and I were in the lead for consul. I have a good feeling about him, and about me obviously, so I thought I'd strengthen the vote count.

I'm not sure what's happening right now with arrests. But I've seen some of hte comments. I still trust Dodgerus Chickus. Everyone she's scanned as OK seems right on, including me of course, so I can't imagine she's a traitor. I don't know why she'd pass on useful info and no misleading info. I wouldn't arrest her, as we can use her wealth.

Pathus and Abeus Anxietus are on my slight suspicious list, so I woudln't mind seeing them arrested.

[hoopsguy]

And we have our first completed Monster Charm from Act IV.

Hydradon Hide:
+75 Health
+20% Less Damage from Beasts
Completion Bonus: 21 Armor
Can enhance all amor

Nice - I like the enhance armor a lot. It is going onto the Pristess's Leggings to bring the armor up to 73. That should distance it a great deal from the other items I'm seeing in shops.

[Grammaticus]

And we have our first completed Monster Charm from Act IV.

Hydradon Hide:
+75 Health
+20% Less Damage from Beasts
Completion Bonus: 21 Armor
Can enhance all amor

Nice - I like the enhance armor a lot. It is going onto the Pristess's Leggings to bring the armor up to 73. That should distance it a great deal from the other items I'm seeing in shops.

Uh, is this supposed to be in your dynasty thread? :confused:

[Autumn]

Man, I'm really behind on this game. I didn't even know about Monster Charms!

[st.cronin]

deadline

hoopsguys hydradon hide will not be counted

[Poli]

And we have our first completed Monster Charm from Act IV.

Hydradon Hide:
+75 Health
+20% Less Damage from Beasts
Completion Bonus: 21 Armor
Can enhance all amor

Nice - I like the enhance armor a lot. It is going onto the Pristess's Leggings to bring the armor up to 73. That should distance it a great deal from the other items I'm seeing in shops.

Are you not entertained?

[st.cronin]

The results of today's lawsuits are (winner underlined):

Dodgus Erickus sues Ironsus Headus
Dodgus Erickus sues Tyrus Ithus
Dodgus Erickus sues Passus Caglius
Dodgus Erickus sues Coffeus Yakus Warlordus
Dodgus Erickus sues Narcizus Lispus
Dodgus Erickus sues Autumnus Leavus
Dodgus Erickus sues Chiefus Rumus
Dodgus Erickus sues Peregrinus Barbarus
Dodgus Erickus sues Grammus Atticus
Mustang Salleous sues Chubbus Chubbus
Mustang Salleous sues Abeus Anxietus
Mustang Salleous sues Autumnus Leavus
Mustang Salleous sues Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Mustang Salleous sues Kayus Whitus
Mustang Salleous sues Narcizus Lispus
GRAMMATICUS ATTICUS SUES Passus Caglius
GRAMMATICUS ATTICUS SUES Mustangus
GRAMMATICUS ATTICUS SUES Neonus Chaosus
GRAMMATICUS ATTICUS SUES Dodgerus Erchickus
GRAMMATICUS ATTICUS SUES Ironus Headus
Ardent sues KWhit
Ardent sues DodgerChick
Ardent sues Anxiety
Ardent sues Path12
Ardent sues Passacaglia
Ardent sues Ironhead
Ardent sues Coffee Warlord
Ardent sues Peregrine
Ardent sues Narcizo
Ardent sues Barkeep
Ardent sues Autumn
Ardent sues Chief Rum
Ardent sues Mustang
Ardent sues Chubby
Ardent sues Grammaticus
Ardent sues Tyrith
Ardent sues DaddyTorgo
Ardent sues Neon Chaos
PASSUS CAGLIUS SUES DODGERUS CHICKUS

[st.cronin]

pms coming, as always, if you do not receive a pm you were outbid for your service

[Poli]

I'll be hiring myself from now on, thankyouverymuch.

[Poli]

Ardent sues Everyone again.

[Grammaticus]

I'll be hiring myself from now on, thankyouverymuch.

Oh yeah, forgot about law suits.

Grammaticus Atticus sues the following:

Anxietus
Peregrinus
Tyrishus
Daddeus Torgus
Passeus
Patheus
Dogeus Erchicus
Neonus Chaosus
Ironus Headus
Chubbeus

Domestic Dispute is the charge

[Poli]

I'm suing for Roughing the Passer. 15 yards, automatic first down.

[st.cronin]

The votes for execution are as follows:

13 - Neon - Ardent (2000), DaddyTorgo (2019), Anxiety (2120), Tyrith (2123), Narcizo (2143), Passacaglia (2147), Peregrine (2150), Dodgerchick (2151), Coffee Warlord (2167), Chief Rum (2181), KWhit (2265), path12 (2276), Autumn (2279)

2 - Chubby - Grammaticus (2152), Ironhead (2269)

Neon Chaos is thusly hurled to his death.

[Coffee Warlord]

Fair warning: I do not have the sword-killer.

[Grammaticus]

Fair warning: I do not have the sword-killer.

How do you know if we only get a PM when we are told that we DO have a service?

[Poli]

This just in: Neon Chaos was a good guy.

[st.cronin]

The following Senator has been murdered:

Peregrinus Barbarus, by poison

The new consuls of Rome are:

Ironus Headus
and Autumnus Leavus

The new Tribune of the Plebs is:

Narcizus Lispus

The best lawyer in Rome is:


Ardentus Enthusiastus

The second best lawyer in Rome is:

Narcizus Lispus

[Coffee Warlord]

How do you know if we only get a PM when we are told that we DO have a service?

'Cause I don't have any PM's?

[st.cronin]

Updated financial standings coming, may take a few minutes

[Grammaticus]

CW, are you assuming all of the PMs have been sent because st.cronin posted the lynch result?

[Coffee Warlord]

Yes. It's been my experience that once he posts anything after he says the 'pms are going out' line, the bidding pm's are done.

[Coffee Warlord]

And...jail Ardent. Please.

I absolutely, totally, positively do not trust him with as much money as he'll have under his belt if he wins that many lawsuits again.

[Grammaticus]

The following Senator has been murdered:

Peregrinus Barbarus, by poison

The new consuls of Rome are:

Ironus Headus
and Autumnus Leavus

The new Tribune of the Plebs is:

Narcizus Lispus

The best lawyer in Rome is:


Ardentus Enthusiastus

The second best lawyer in Rome is:

Narcizus Lispus

Is anyone in jail?

[Poli]

Warlord, don't hate.

[Grammaticus]

Warlord, don't hate.

Do you take pro bono work? :D

[Poli]

Besides, there's no doubt that the Ironhead is going to jail me. None.

[DaddyTorgo]

if neon was a good guy, you realize that puts you on the block ardent, so why would you share that with us?

[Coffee Warlord]

And please tell me we have someone in jail.

[hoopsguy]

Oops - going to delete a post intended for the Titan Quest dyansty page.

[Autumn]

I'm not really caught up, so someone please tell me why Peregrinus being loyal casts doubt on Ardentus? What else do these results tell us?

[Grammaticus]

And please tell me we have someone in jail.

I'm hoping since the section was missing entirely, that he just forgot to put it in.

[hoopsguy]

Never mind - too late as it has already been quoted and incorporated into other stuff. My apologies for clogging up the game with worthless posts :o:eek:

[Coffee Warlord]

Unless he's invis, I don't even see cronin on the boards anymore.

[Tyrith]

Totally won Faustus Felix's service for today.

[Poli]

if neon was a good guy, you realize that puts you on the block ardent, so why would you share that with us?
Because I haven't withheld anything or lied in this game. I won't start now.

[st.cronin]

The following Senators are in jail:

Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Dodgeus Erchickus

The following are the wealthiest men in Rome:

Ardentus Enthusiastus
Kayus Whitus


The following Senators are known as extremely wealthy:

Abeus Anxietus
Dodgeus Erchickus
Passus Caglius
Pathus Twelveus


The following Senators are known as moderately wealthy:

Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus
Grammus Atticus
Ironus Headus
Narcizus Lispus

The following remaining Senators are of normal wealth:


Autumnus Leavus
Chiefus Rumus
Chubbus Chubbus
Daddus Torgous
Mustangus Sallus
Tyrus Ithus

[Coffee Warlord]

Unless he's invis, I don't even see cronin on the boards anymore.

Although we're missing services and 'ranks' too, so hopefully he's not done.

[Coffee Warlord]

And holy SHIT did I plummet in wealth.

[Coffee Warlord]

Screw it.

Coffeus Yakus Sues Every Freakin' Body

[Poli]

Yeah, thanks for the loot, Warlord.

[Poli]

Screw it.

Coffeus Yakus Sues Every Freakin' Body
Get in line.

[Tyrith]

Woohoo, I beat someone in court!

Tyrith sues DC because he's a money grubbing jerk

[st.cronin]

The following people are offering their services in the Forum today:

Gallus Clarus, ex-legionnaire
Titus Ludius, ex-legionnaire
Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves
Animus Sentus, person rumored to be affiliated with the Priesthood
Furius Lucius, former warlord of Gaul, enslaved and now freed
Lexus Postus, owner of many horses
Blakus Fortunatus, owner of many horses


and of course,


Ardentus Enthusiastus
Narcizus Lispus

[st.cronin]

PRIMER:

Today Senators must vote to execute either Barkeepus Valerius of Dodgeus Erchickus.

[Grammaticus]

Grammaticus Atticus sues Mustangus Sallleus

Plagerism is the charge

[Ironhead]

Besides, there's no doubt that the Ironhead is going to jail me. None.

Actually I am not right now. I will give you the same chance/test we gave Dodgerchick. Given your newfound wealth you are in a great position to help the village if you are loyal. If you place bids on the sword kill and do not use it against the village we know you are good.

[Autumn]

Well, I'm not sure what progress we've made. I'll be interested in hearing service reports from everybody. I bid, and lost, for Ardentus's services yesterday.

And please, vote for who you would like arrested.

[Grammaticus]

I bid on the sword killer as the backup to the backup and I did not get him.

I know that is a big surprise.

[Poli]

Actually I am not right now. I will give you the same chance/test we gave Dodgerchick. Given your newfound wealth you are in a great position to help the village if you are loyal. If you place bids on the sword kill and do not use it against the village we know you are good.
Done, as in, I'll do it right now.

[Poli]

Done.

[Ironhead]

I bid on the services of Balbus Senna and did not win.

[Poli]

I've now received a PM back from cronin. He has my bid.

[Poli]

I'm retiring to chambers, but I thought I'd add this as well before I did:

The reason I sued was not for wealth, it was in hope of gaining info on someone, anyone. I figured the whole "using logic and whatever" the other word was might help me in determining if someone was loyal to the Republic or not.

Anyhow, I now fear for Narcizco. The 2nd best lawyer hasn't had a good track record.

Actually, given my wealth status, I fear for me now.

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, two days ago, my first day of enchanced wealth, I bud on and received the services of Ardent. Yesterday I ordered him to investigate KWhit which I just got back. KWhit is not guilty of any crime.

[Barkeep49]

Well I'm saddened but not surprised to see Peregrine still put me in jail.

Have to tell you I'm a little nervous that Narcizo has so much power, being the second best lawyer and tribune of the plebs. Not to mention tribune of the plebs seems to be a temporary position as of late, so maybe I don't have anything to fear from that power after all.

Anyhow obligatory Toss DC over the cliff because I sure don't want it to be me.

[Ironhead]

Anxiety - Question for you regarding lawyer use. Would you have had the ability to do both a scan and a prosecution yesterday? Could you have given Ardent's services to the Senate to prosecute our jailed members yesterday AND do a scan?

[Abe Sargent]

Anxiety - Question for you regarding lawyer use. Would you have had the ability to do both a scan and a prosecution yesterday? Could you have given Ardent's services to the Senate to prosecute our jailed members yesterday AND do a scan?

No, it was either or

[Passacaglia]

I'd like to hear how DC feels, now that she got her wish.

[Ironhead]

No, it was either or

That contradicts what Coffee Warlord told us at the beginning of the game.

Post #560
Here's what I find interesting, now. Take it for what it's worth.

There was one extra tidbit when I hired Swaggs that I didn't mention for obvious reasons. I was allowed to have him investigate one person that day. For the record, it was KWhit, and I was informed that Swaggs found no evidence of wrongdoing by him.

And now Swaggs is dead. Granted, he's in a high profile role to begin with, but I have to wonder if the bad guys knew exactly what ability Swaggs had and took care of business early.

Love ya AE, but I gotta wonder about you. I will concede that it's entirely possible only he had that ability, but, well, yeah.

Coffee used the lawyer for defense on Day 2 and also claims to have used him to scan KWhit.

CW, can you weigh in here?

[path12]

I didn't get my bid on Ardent, but I guess we already knew that.

[path12]

Dola, never mind, I'm stupid. I read Anxiety's post as that he got Ardent today and not two days ago.

Anyway, I didn't get my bid on Ardent.

[path12]

My biggest mistake this game was not keeping a notesheet. I should have known in a game this size. :(

[Abe Sargent]

In case anyone wonders why I chose KWhit -

1). Has a lot of money, and I wanted to make sure he was on our side because of it

2). Gained his money over time like no one else. Wanted to make sure we didn;t allow a bad guy to gain a bunhc of wealth right in front of us without challenging it.

3). Purloined Letter.

4). There was the whole, I send my horses but KWhit claimed he didn;t get them. Now we have confirmed that something happened.

[Autumn]

That contradicts what Coffee Warlord told us at the beginning of the game.

Post #560


Coffee used the lawyer for defense on Day 2 and also claims to have used him to scan KWhit.

CW, can you weigh in here?

This would be interesting to know more about, since both Coffee and KWhit's trustworthiness are largely based on this exchange.

[path12]

That contradicts what Coffee Warlord told us at the beginning of the game.

Post #560


Coffee used the lawyer for defense on Day 2 and also claims to have used him to scan KWhit.

CW, can you weigh in here?

Nice job. I'd like to hear more about this.

[Abe Sargent]

Nope, I just double checked. I can either use the lawyer for myself, in which I can have him do an investigation, or I can assign him to the Senate for investigations there. Its an either/or, not both

[path12]

I've got no issue with using the scan on KWhit, by the way -- IIRC that was right after the arrest miscommunication with Barkeep, so either of them would have been logical.

I wonder if Ardent could be hired to scan himself?

[Ironhead]

Definitley not condeming CW yet, but this really makes me wonder. Quite frankly I expected to be killed last night. I have twice prevented the wolves from getting an extra day kill, I was being elected as Consul and I at least felt like I had some decent leads on people.

Instead the wolves found it more important to remove the Tribune of the Plebs, which if they get one of their own members there we will not be able to arrest them and would have to rely on a sword kill. Makes me wonder if they left me alive because my assumptions so far have been way off base.

[Abe Sargent]

I've got no issue with using the scan on KWhit, by the way -- IIRC that was right after the arrest miscommunication with Barkeep, so either of them would have been logical.

I wonder if Ardent could be hired to scan himself?

I asked, because he was my first target, and was told he could not.

[Lorena]

That's funny, I was involved in a whole lotta lawsuits and only won 1! I must have some serious bad luck.

[Ironhead]

Dodgerchick - You have claimed to hire Ardent several times. Can you backup what Anxiety is saying regarding scanning someone being unavailable when using a lawyer for defense/prosecution?

[st.cronin]

The following are the recorded votes for Consul:

Anxiety Barkeep, DaddyTorgo
Ardent Ardent, Autumn
Autumn Autumn, Ironhead
Barkeep Barkeep, KWhit
Chief Rum Ironhead, Passacaglia
Chubby
Coffee Warlord KWhit, Coffee Warlord
Daddy KWhit, DaddyTorgo
Dodgerchick Dodgerchick, Autumn
Grammaticus Grammaticus, Ironhead
Ironhead Ironhead, Autumn
Kwhit Autumn, Coffee
Mustang
Narcizo Autumn, Ironhead
Neon Chaos
Passacaglia Passacaglia
Path12 Autumn, KWhit
Peregrine KWhit, Ironhead
Tyrith Ironhead, Autumn

[Narcizo]

Um.... Wow!

Clearly I'm now in a position of immense power. Obviously this makes me very happy. However it also makes me a teensy weensy bit scared. For the good of the village I would suggest that I have to be scanned and protected today. It seems to me that the wolves have a plan to keep killing the tribune until they get one of their own in.

Secondly, I hope you got my message Chief. I didn't get a reply so I'm not sure but with st cronin away I suspect that the message got to you too late for you to read it yesterday. I want to point out that I sent that message around the time I made my statement of who I bid on. Although I posted to state my arrest order I was not around to fully read what was being said. If I had I would not have followed the plan outlined to you. I'll state now that I did not get the service I bid on.

Those are two things I needed to post now. I'm going to review the happenings in more detail now.

[Narcizo]

Next, I apologise about Neon. (assuming Ardent isn't playing games with us - I can't verify that Neon was good by the way. It seems that you have to have been a lawyer for one day to get that info) My instinct told me he was our best shot at getting a wolf and we needed to get a trustworthy lawyer. Looks like I played right into the hands of the wolves. I feel very bad about it, not necessarily to Neon, who helped his cause almost as little as BS or ITC in my opinion, but bad for the villagers. I thought I was a good, if inexperienced, werewolf player until this game but this has really been a cold shower for those ideas.

[Narcizo]

Holy dola!

I've tried to work out who bid on what and how it should work out and I'm just completely confused. Ardent shooting up the wealth chart like that has completely thrown my reckoning out. It's annoying that I'm probably not going to get all the information until after I go to bed.

I'm glad it's someone else's job to pick arrests today I can tell you that for nothing.

[Narcizo]

Did I miss a vote, Narc? IIRC, I voted every single time. I haven't had a hard time commiting to a vote, I just voted the way that my limited knowledge of the game and my gut instincts told me to.

I've been reading through and noticed this. Might as well field it now while - no Neon didn't miss a vote. However he did vote to re-elect Alan, a move that is illegal. I mentioned it to no avail, he only changed the vote when Alan pointed it out to him.

No biggy (I thought that we only had one consul vote for example) but just something I thought was slightly iffy when we had very little to work with.

[Neon_Chaos]

:o

[Narcizo]

I think arresting DC is a mistake, but looks like that's a done deal. I also am glad the AE thread was merged, and I think he made some good points with his analysis.

Care to expand on that? To me it seemed the only arrest to make, almost everyone wanted it, herself included.

[Chief Rum]

All right, lots of interesting stuff today. I feel bad about Neon, but there's not much we can do about that now.

I am going to try to go back to my plan and see if I can nail down again who ended up bidding for what. Then we'll see where we stand.

I'm shocked at the wolves' choice for poisoning. Perhaps they were aiming for someone they felt wouldn't be protected. You could reasonably guess that I, ardent or Narcizo would be protected, and the top three wealth people were all at some point under suspicion/being looked at in the past day cycle. So maybe it's not too much of a surprise. But I still am abit.

Frankly, I thought I made my last post in this game earlier today.

Narcizo, I did receive your message. So the horses work I guess, Still not sure if it does much good. Even given you would not have done what you did had you been around to read further, I will take it into consideration and see if it had any effect on things.

I do have the ability to send a response. My PM suggests you would get my message at the deadline tonight (Monday). So the horse thing (from bidding to sending a message to receiving a reply) really does take three days. Wow, that's a long time in WW.

[Chief Rum]

BTW, very interested to hear CW's response to what Ironhead discovered.

[Narcizo]

So here we go

The following are the wealthiest men in Rome:

Ardentus Enthusiastus - Don't know
Kayus Whitus - Swordsman #2224

The following Senators are known as extremely wealthy:

Abeus Anxietus - Pimp Dude #2059
Dodgeus Erchickus - Ardent #2205
Passus Caglius - Vitus Avidus #2069
Pathus Twelveus - Ardent #2275 - Failed #2340

The following Senators are known as moderately wealthy:

Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus - Ardent #2192
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus - Swordsman #2071. Failed #2294
Grammus Atticus - Swordsman #2206. Failed #2328
Ironus Headus - Senna #2269 Failed #2331
Narcizus Lispus - Maximus Maximus #2159. Failed #2353

The following remaining Senators are of normal wealth:

Autumnus Leavus - Failed Ardent #2327
Chiefus Rumus - Pimp bloke #2059
Chubbus Chubbus - couldn't hire
Daddus Torgous - Don't know
Mustangus Sallus - Don't know
Tyrus Ithus - Fastus Felix #2314

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Coffee Warlord - Bid on Swordsman #2071. Failed #2294
Chief Rum - Pimp Dude #2059
Anxiety - Pimp Dude #2088/#2200
Narcizo - Maximus² # 2159. Failed #2353
Barkeep - Ardent #2192
DC - Ardent (I think) #2205
Gramm - Swordsman #2206. Failed #2328
KWhit - Swordsman #2224
Path - Ardent #2275. Failed #2340

Today
Tyrith - Fastus Felix #2314
Autumn - Failed on Ardent #2327
Ironhead - Failed on Senna #2331

[Narcizo]

Nice bit of cut and pasting there Narc. :o

[Narcizo]

Chief you're not going to be around much today correct?

[Narcizo]

So what do we have. Presuming no one is lying.

Ardent must have philosopher. Otherwise Senna would have fallen to Ironhead.
KWhit must have the swordsman. Ardent must have the philosopher so no-one can outbid KWhit.
Anxiety must have the pimp. Same story here. Ardent must have taken the philosopher.
DC must have Ardent. Same again. It's her or Ardent.
Pass must have the bodyguard.

Which means that it's pretty clear that I've been lying. I didn't take the bodyguard. I was trying to set up the wolfs by bidding for another service. At the time I thought that DC wasn't playing ball so there was a danger of the service dropping. I thought that if I put in a bid and no-one claimed him then we'd catch someone out. This is the plan I outlined to Chief Rum. A plan I concocted yesterday afternoon (my time). I trusted Chief because he came up with the plan which I think is a good one. I figured it was worth the risk. It might give a wolf Chief some ammo to use on me but it might also help us catch a wolf.

Which means there's a very good chance that we've only got one bodyguard today. :mad: Unless DT or Mustang bid on him.

I give up. I suck at this.

[Narcizo]

he came up with the plan which I think is a good one.

Came up with the plan for everyone to announce their bids, that is.

[Narcizo]

Tell me you have the bodyguard, DT or Mustang.

[Chief Rum]

Chief you're not going to be around much today correct?

Correct. I am here now. I will probably post once or twice int he morning, with votes, etc. But I will be gone after that until tomorrow late evening (again; i.e. like now).

[Chief Rum]

So here we go

The following are the wealthiest men in Rome:

Ardentus Enthusiastus - Don't know
Kayus Whitus - Swordsman #2224

The following Senators are known as extremely wealthy:

Abeus Anxietus - Pimp Dude #2059
Dodgeus Erchickus - Ardent #2205
Passus Caglius - Vitus Avidus #2069
Pathus Twelveus - Ardent #2275 - Failed #2340

The following Senators are known as moderately wealthy:

Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus - Ardent #2192
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus - Swordsman #2071. Failed #2294
Grammus Atticus - Swordsman #2206. Failed #2328
Ironus Headus - Senna #2269 Failed #2331
Narcizus Lispus - Maximus Maximus #2159. Failed #2353

The following remaining Senators are of normal wealth:

Autumnus Leavus - Failed Ardent #2327
Chiefus Rumus - Pimp bloke #2059
Chubbus Chubbus - couldn't hire
Daddus Torgous - Don't know
Mustangus Sallus - Don't know
Tyrus Ithus - Fastus Felix #2314

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Coffee Warlord - Bid on Swordsman #2071. Failed #2294
Chief Rum - Pimp Dude #2059
Anxiety - Pimp Dude #2088/#2200
Narcizo - Maximus² # 2159. Failed #2353
Barkeep - Ardent #2192
DC - Ardent (I think) #2205
Gramm - Swordsman #2206. Failed #2328
KWhit - Swordsman #2224
Path - Ardent #2275. Failed #2340

Today
Tyrith - Fastus Felix #2314
Autumn - Failed on Ardent #2327
Ironhead - Failed on Senna #2331

Didn't realize you were doing this, too. I am almost done with mine, FWIW.

[Chief Rum]

So what do we have. Presuming no one is lying.

Ardent must have philosopher. Otherwise Senna would have fallen to Ironhead.
KWhit must have the swordsman. Ardent must have the philosopher so no-one can outbid KWhit.
Anxiety must have the pimp. Same story here. Ardent must have taken the philosopher.
DC must have Ardent. Same again. It's her or Ardent.
Pass must have the bodyguard.

Which means that it's pretty clear that I've been lying. I didn't take the bodyguard. I was trying to set up the wolfs by bidding for another service. At the time I thought that DC wasn't playing ball so there was a danger of the service dropping. I thought that if I put in a bid and no-one claimed him then we'd catch someone out. This is the plan I outlined to Chief Rum. A plan I concocted yesterday afternoon (my time). I trusted Chief because he came up with the plan which I think is a good one. I figured it was worth the risk. It might give a wolf Chief some ammo to use on me but it might also help us catch a wolf.

Which means there's a very good chance that we've only got one bodyguard today. :mad: Unless DT or Mustang bid on him.

I give up. I suck at this.

Keep in mind the bids are done off of yesterday's wealth list, not the new one today. I think most if what you have there is still true, but there are some changes, and some different conclusions.

[Chief Rum]

BTW, never officially said. I did not win the sex slaves today.

[Chief Rum]

ORIGINAL PLAN

Dodgeus Erchickus-- Bid for MACRO, the sword killer
Kayus Whitus-- Bid for ARDENT, lawyer
Abeus Anxietus-- Bid for DURUS PIMPUS, sex slave dealer

Ironus Headus-- Bid for MAXIMUS MAXIMUS, legionnaire/BG
Passus Caglius-- Bid for VITUS AVIDUS, legionnaire/BG

Coffeus Yakus Warlordus-- Bid for MACRO, the sword killer
Pathus Twelvus-- Bid for ARDENT, lawyer

Narcizo and I are in the next wealth group, so we should submit backup bids as well. I will bid for the sex slave dealer, if Narcizo will bid for one of the legionnaires/BGs.

I would welcome backup bid commitments from Autumn, Barkeep and Peregrine...

***

Actual reported bids:

Dodgerchick-- ardent lawyer (#2165 & #2205)
Kwhit-- sword killer (#2224)
Anxiety-- sex slaves (#2088)

Ironhead-- balbus senna philosopher (#2269)--changed from maximus maximus bodyguard (#2194)
Passacaglia-- vitus avidus bodyguard (#2069)

Coffee Warlord-- sword killer (#2065 & #2071)
path12-- ardent lawyer (#2276)

Narcizo-- maximus maximus bodyguard (#2159)
Chief Rum-- sex slaves (#2059)
Autumn-- unclear who he bid on before deadline (#2279)
Barkeep-- suggested he would bid on someone; actual bid not listed
Peregrine-- sex slaves (#2164)

Grammaticus-- swor4ds killer (#2206)

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Who has said they have or have not received what they bid for. I have bolded whom we haven't heard yet what they got, if anything:

Dodgerchick-- ardent lawyer (#2165 # 2205)
Kwhit-- sword killer (#2224)
Anxiety-- sex slaves (#2088)[/b]

Ironhead-- balbus senna philosopher (#2269)--changed from maximus maximus bodyguard (#2194)-- DID NOT GET BALBUS SENNA
Passacaglia-- vitus avidus bodyguard (#2069)

Coffee Warlord-- sword killer (#2065 & #2071)-- DID NOT GET SWORD KILLER (#2294)
path12-- ardent lawyer (#2276)-- DID NOT GET ARDENT (#2340)

Narcizo-- sword killer (private bid)--changed from maximus maximus bodyguard (#2159)-- DID NOT GET SWORD KILLER (#2353 &2364)
Chief Rum-- sex slaves (#2059)-- DID NOT GET SEX SLAVES (#
Autumn-- unclear who he bid on before deadline (#2279)-- DID NOT GET ARDENT (#2327)
Barkeep-- suggested he would bid on someone; actual bid not listed
Peregrine-- sex slaves (#2164)-- KILLED BY POISON

Grammaticus-- sword killer (#2206)-- DID NOT GET SWORD KILLER (#2328)

Note: Faustus Felix apparently fell to Tyrith.

Analysis coming shortly.

[Chief Rum]

Oops, Dodgerchick/Kwhit/Anxiety should be bolded as not having said if they received their services or not.

[Chief Rum]

If we believe Ironhead (I do), there is a definite Tarq in the following group:

Dodgerchick
KWhit
Anxiety

Passacaglia
Coffee Warlord
path12

Ironhead bid on Balbus Senna and did not get him. Only these six had the possible ability to outbid him for Senna. Which means the Tarqs may have control of a conversion skill tonight.

CW and path have said they did not get their bids. We have not heard from the other four (about their bids anyway). We had bids for the sword killer, sex slaves and ardent not get past this group, judging from bids from the next tier not coming through, so for sure, those three are also in this group. If the top three did as they said they would, they will be the three with those services.

Keep in mind nothing here says there isn't more than one Tarq in this group either. But for sure, there is one.

BTW, the odds are slim my Day One sword killer patron and the Balbus Senna usurper are one and the same, but path12 is the only one of the above who appeared on both lists. I haven't yet decided how far to think that out yet.

[Chief Rum]

I'm out for the night. I will submit votes and a new plan in the morning. I will incorporate ardent's already submitted bid.

[Poli]

So what do we have. Presuming no one is lying.

Ardent must have philosopher. Otherwise Senna would have fallen to Ironhead.

I put a bid on one of the legionaires. As far as I could tell, I wasn't rich enough to be included in CR's plan. I did not win.

[Narcizo]

Keep in mind the bids are done off of yesterday's wealth list, not the new one today. I think most if what you have there is still true, but there are some changes, and some different conclusions.

Sorry. Didn't realise that. I'm going to redo this in the same format then, just because I think it's a bit clearer. And I want the glory of having my list quoted and altered.

The wealthiest men in Rome are:
Abeus Anxietus - Bid Pimp Bloke #2088/#2200 -
Dodgeus Erchickus - Bid Ardent #2205
Kayus Whitus - Bid Swordsman #2224

The following Senators are known to be extremely wealthy:
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus - Bid Swordsman #2071. Failed #2294.
Ironus Headus - Bid Senna #2269. Failed #2331
Passus Caglius - Bid Vitus Avidus #2069
Pathus Twelvus - Bid Ardent #2275. Failed #2340

The following Senators are of moderate wealth:
Autumnus Leavus - Failed on Ardent #2327
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus - Vote Ardent #2192.
Chiefus Rumus - Bid Pimp #2059 Failed #2370
Narcizus Lispus - [Bid Swordsman]Failed #2353.

The following (remaining) Senators are of ordinary wealth for the Senatorial class:
Ardentus Enthusiastus - ?
Chubbus Chubbus - couldn't bid
Daddyus Torgous - ?
Grammus Atticus - Bid Swordsman #2206. Failed #2328
Mustangus Sallus - ?
Tyrus Ithus - Fastus Felix #2314

I'm keeping completely out of the conjecture side until we have more data but CR's right. it appears that someone in the top seven is lying. And lying about the philosopher. Which, if I've read correctly and I'm not banking on it, means that there's a good chance of there being a conversion today.

[Poli]

Narc, what I did is about 2-3 posts above this.

[Chief Rum]

I put a bid on one of the legionaires. As far as I could tell, I wasn't rich enough to be included in CR's plan. I did not win.

Okay, almost in bed.

True enough, ardent. I didn't include senators in the lowest wealth tier. Didn't seem to be any point. Obviously, you are most definitely in the plan today.

Which bodyguard did you bid for?

[Chief Rum]

Sorry. Didn't realise that. I'm going to redo this in the same format then, just because I think it's a bit clearer. And I want the glory of having my list quoted and altered.

lol, true nuff. Mine's a mess.

[Narcizo]

Just seem Ardent's post. Don't want to requote my list just yet though.

[Poli]

Crap, I thought it was the legionaire. It was Balbus Senna, the philosopher. My bad.:o

[Chief Rum]

Just noting here that I missed BK stating before the deadline that he would put in a bid for ardent. I missed it in my run through. Narcizo caught it. Thanks Narcizo.

[Chief Rum]

Crap, I thought it was the legionaire. It was Balbus Senna, the philosopher. My bad.:o

Not too surprising, since Ironhead also swung and missed at the philosopher.

[Chief Rum]

Dodgerchick - You have claimed to hire Ardent several times. Can you backup what Anxiety is saying regarding scanning someone being unavailable when using a lawyer for defense/prosecution?

Just following up here. Can anyone confirm this? It would help on a number of levles. Thanks.

[Narcizo]

So my deductions from the first list was right about Ardent - just the result wasn't :D

[Poli]

So, let me get this straight, Anxiety was supposed to get the pimp, but instead took me?

[Poli]

So Ironhead fails with Senna, and the slaves fall through to CR, but he doesn't get them. Someone who said they bid on me or the swordsman above CR is lieing then.

I wonder if it's CW.

[Poli]

Can we believe CW fell that much by just losing a lawsuit?

[Narcizo]

Not too surprising, since Ironhead also swung and missed at the philosopher.

Claims he swung and missed. Ardent coming forward means that we know that it's very unlikely Ironhead placed his bid elsewhere. Given the vibes I've been getting from Ironhead I put him as the least likliest to be the liar in that group of seven.

[Narcizo]

So, let me get this straight, Anxiety was supposed to get the pimp, but instead took me?

I think you're getting mixed up there Ardent. I know the feeling.

I believe Anxiety claimed to have your services yesterday. He hasn't said who he got today.

[Poli]

Just seeing how the +/- on the list went since I noticed CW's plunge. Granted CW made a big deal about dropping as well.

Ardentus Enthusiastus +12, not surprising, I won a ton of suits.
Kayus Whitus +1, interesting he climbs a spot while Anxiety and DC drop 1
Abeus Anxietus -2, from 1st to 3rd while winning my service
Dodgeus Erchickus -2, from 2nd to 4th while NOT winning my service
Passus Caglius +1
Pathus Twelveus +1
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus +2
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus -4...interesting.
Grammus Atticus +7
Ironus Headus -5, while losing out on his bid.
Narcizus Lispus 0
Autumnus Leavus -3
Chiefus Rumus -2
Chubbus Chubbus +1
Daddus Torgous -1 I think now that Gramm climbed
Mustangus Sallus 2nd to last now with NC's death
Tyrus Ithus still last

From Saturday morning:

Abeus Anxietus
Dodgeus Erchickus
Kayus Whitus
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus
Ironus Headus
Passus Caglius
Pathus Twelvus
Autumnus Leavus
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Chiefus Rumus
Narcizus Lispus
Peregrinus Barbarus
Ardentus Enthusiastus
Chubbus Chubbus
Daddyus Torgous
Grammus Atticus
Mustangus Sallus
Neonus Chaosus
Tyrus Ithus


And with that, I'm out and off to work.

[Poli]

I think you're getting mixed up there Ardent. I know the feeling.

I believe Anxiety claimed to have your services yesterday. He hasn't said who he got today.
Gotcha. Thanks.

[Narcizo]

Can we believe CW fell that much by just losing a lawsuit?

He only fell one level. If he was near the bottom of the second level then it's possible that he fell to the third level, and might have done so without being sued at all as we've lost more people.

I've just thought of something and I want this out there now. If there's a conversion ability I'm the prime target for a conversion attempt. We need to scan me tomorrow. :)

*In your face Alternate Future #2 Narc*

[Poli]

That's the thing, though. The four spots he dropped are from me and three others still in the game.

[Poli]

See my post from 10 minutes ago...which lists, in order, the wealth rank cronin put together and below it the list of wealth from Saturday morning.

[Narcizo]

Just seeing how the +/- on the list went since I noticed CW's plunge. Granted CW made a big deal about dropping as well.


Ardent, the list isn't an exact guide. We don't know where people are in comparison to others within their wealth category - it's done in alphabetical order. However I'm going to stick my neck out and say that you're now the wealthiest among us.

[Poli]

This doesn't, however, take into account the other lawsuits...and I'll look more into that either during my workday or after I get home...depends on if I'm running around somewhere or sitting in the office again.

[Poli]

Ardent, the list isn't an exact guide. We don't know where people are in comparison to others within their wealth category - it's done in alphabetical order. However I'm going to stick my neck out and say that you're now the wealthiest among us.
Ah, I never caught that. Thanks.

[Passacaglia]

FTR, I won my bid.

[Grammaticus]

So, does Kwhit or DC have the swordman?

[Poli]

I'm guessing that means Kwhit won the swordsman, as DC said she was bidding on me.

[Grammaticus]

I was thinking Kwhit too, but DC has not really been very amicable or forthcoming. Not sure whether or not to trust her in going for who she said she would go for.

[Barkeep49]

I did not get Ardent. I am assuming DC did.

I would point out that while people have been uneasy about me, the facts against DC are stronger. She has been in a position of wealth and has done little for the communal good. Where as yesterday she could have guaranteed us the swordsman, instead she's likely taken Ardent again and we have no clue who has the swordsman, whether good or bad. Please join me in voting for DC today to be thrown off the rock.

[Coffee Warlord]

Reading. I see some lawyer clarification a few pages back, I'll respond shortly.

[Coffee Warlord]

Anxiety - Question for you regarding lawyer use. Would you have had the ability to do both a scan and a prosecution yesterday? Could you have given Ardent's services to the Senate to prosecute our jailed members yesterday AND do a scan?

Which Anxiety said no to. Which...it half fits, it half doesn't.

The one time I had the lawyer, I did indeed have the option of using him for the Senate as a prosecutor, or using him for my own benefit as a defender/lawsuit machine. It was very clear that I could use the lawyer for both my PERSONAL treason defense (remember, I was in jail), and the lawsuit I had going.

And I also had the scanning ability, which is where it gets unclear. I was not informed that, if I appointed the lawyer to the Senate, I would not get a scan. Mind you, I inquired further about that option (appointing him to the senate), because obviously I had other uses for him that day.

Long story short, I cannot fully confirm or deny what Anxiety said on this one.

I wasn't told it was an either/or option, but that may have come from a clarification that I didn't get 'cause I didn't go the Senate route for the lawyer.

[Grammaticus]

DC, did you get Ardent, the swordman, etc.?

[Grammaticus]

Which Anxiety said no to. Which...it half fits, it half doesn't.

The one time I had the lawyer, I did indeed have the option of using him for the Senate as a prosecutor, or using him for my own benefit as a defender/lawsuit machine. It was very clear that I could use the lawyer for both my PERSONAL treason defense (remember, I was in jail), and the lawsuit I had going.

And I also had the scanning ability, which is where it gets unclear. I was not informed that, if I appointed the lawyer to the Senate, I would not get a scan. Mind you, I inquired further about that option (appointing him to the senate), because obviously I had other uses for him that day.

Long story short, I cannot fully confirm or deny what Anxiety said on this one.

I wasn't told it was an either/or option, but that may have come from a clarification that I didn't get 'cause I didn't go the Senate route for the lawyer.

It sounds like you are both saying that if you give the Lawyer to the Senate to prosecute, you do not also get a personal scan, correct?

[Coffee Warlord]

Re-read. I was not explicitly told that.

[Grammaticus]

Well, it would sort of make sense as we would get two scans from one lawyer if you could use the lawyer for a senate prosection and a personal scan.

[Passacaglia]

I did not get Ardent. I am assuming DC did.

I would point out that while people have been uneasy about me, the facts against DC are stronger. She has been in a position of wealth and has done little for the communal good. Where as yesterday she could have guaranteed us the swordsman, instead she's likely taken Ardent again and we have no clue who has the swordsman, whether good or bad. Please join me in voting for DC today to be thrown off the rock.

I tend to agree, but from what I see, DC got herself into this mess by being so belligerent in the first place, which seems like an odd wolf move. I don't have much suspicion of Barkeep, so I'm likely to throw my vote at DC, but I'll give her some time today.

[Narcizo]

I only have a matter of 15 minutes and then I won't be here for the rest of the day. I have been hoping for a bit more information to be forthcoming but that turns out not to be the case. I had also sort of been hoping for a scan of DC or Barkeep but Anxiety's post suggests that isn't going to happen. I don't know what is going to come of CR plan but I honestly think it seems to be working and I would ask people to consider implementing it again. I'll not be able to participate, obviously, as I'm not going to be here again.

I'm going to

Vote execute Dodgerchick

I've finally got a bit of information to back this up for the first time in the game.
-1) I still think that there's a rich person in the wolves. DC fits the bill. See previous posts for my explanations about this.
-2) She was very doubtful about CR's plan. Fair enough I can understand people not wanting to advertise that they should be killed. But I honestly think CR's plan is a way to start garnering solid information, rather than the hunches and suspicions we've been going on up till now. Had KWhit not switched his bid to the Swordsman DC would have jeopardised the whole plan. So a plus for KWhit and a big minus for DC in my book.
3) Her wealth has put her in a position to really help the village. In my book I don't think she has really done so.
4) There's the question I raised of someone possibly killing Swaggs because they knew what the lawyer could do. It seems like there's a good chance that that comes down to DC or CW. It might not be anything but then again it might.

-1) She cleared Autumn who I trust. However it's not unknown for a wolf to clear in order to build up some trust. With the added bonus that if they go down the villager will probably go with them.
-2) Her massive reaction a couple of days ago. So maybe she was annoyed but at the fact that people were starting to question her in her role as a wolf. I don't really know anything about DC's personally, so I can't judge her based on that.

Meanwhile - Barkeep
-1) There's my impression that something wasn't right with Barkeep in the first few days. I think a couple of other people mentioned it as well.
-2) There's CR's theory that one of the wolves must be in the group of five including Barkeep. I don't know. It made sense to me at the time and it's something we might want to look at again. But I don't think it's enough to warrant an execution today.

On the other hand
+1) I don't think a wolf would make a strong play to become consul and then mess it up quite so catastrophically. ;)
+2) He was amenable to CR's plan. Admittedly you can say "well, it's easy for him to be when he's not really in the reckoning", but still it's a plus in my book.

I'm not even considering a vote to acquit both. We need to start gathering voting patterns.

I would normally say who I would like to see arrested at this stage but I think we need for the picture about who got what services to emerge. Sorry consuls. I know how it feels.

That's me for today. Good luck with the analysis of the list.

[Abe Sargent]

So, let me get this straight, Anxiety was supposed to get the pimp, but instead took me?

Two days ago, I wasn;t supposed to take anybody there bub

[Grammaticus]

So Anxiety, what services did you get?

[Abe Sargent]

I got the slaves obviously

[Poli]

Two days ago, I wasn;t supposed to take anybody there bub
Already duly noted there, bub.

[Abe Sargent]

No one else in the top area claims to have gotten them, it was mentioned that they didn;t fall, so someone in the top took them. They aren't all that powerful. If someone in the top six or seven or however many are on CR's list has the slaves, and I was the only one in that group to sauy that they were going to take them, then its not too hard to beleive that I got them and that I'm telling the truth when I say I got them as well.

[Abe Sargent]

Already duly noted there, bub.

Yeah, well, it hadn;t been while I was catching up.

[Mustang]

Ok.. back from freakin Disaster Recovery.

What the hell mechanic is in play where some senators WIN all their lawsuits all the freakin time and others lose all the time?

[Poli]

Vote to throw DC off the cliff.

While part of me wants to see the BK tossed, I think there is growing evidence that DC may have been bluffing this entire time.

I'm more than interested to hear from Kwhit and DC on this matter.

[DaddyTorgo]

if we're all that afraid of DC, why not just have the swordsman kill her? am I missing something there? it worries me that she's been constantly hiring ardent...something's going on there.

[Barkeep49]

if we're all that afraid of DC, why not just have the swordsman kill her? am I missing something there? it worries me that she's been constantly hiring ardent...something's going on there.
I'd be all for that were it not for the fact that she's already in jail. Are you suggesting we should both be killed? I think DC's hesitation and hostility are different from other games and she is the first person this game who I feel good about voting for, aside from the fact that it also saves my neck :).

[DaddyTorgo]

oh. I missed the fact that she was in jail as I was speed-reading through the morning's posts

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, I say use the swordsman if this doesn't work. But, I'm not convinced she's evil yet.

[Tyrith]

Really looking forward to KWhit confirming what he got.

I generally agree with Ironhead and CR's logic about our wolf pack. Anxiety and path stick out to me as the most likely problems on that list -- we still don't really know about either of them, do we? But how everything goes down today is going to be really telling as to who we need to be looking at going forward.

DC...is an interesting case. Her emotional outburst really makes me think she's innocent. Nothing she's really done in the past makes me think she's the kind of person that can fake that kind of outrage...but it's not impossible she learned how, one way or another. But if she's really as hotheaded as she seems she is ;), then it's probably legit. Really hard to control/fake that kind of stuff.

However, I don't have a particular reason to chuck BK off the cliff. I don't really have a particular reason to NOT chuck him off the cliff, though. For now I'm going to hold judgment until DC tells us what she did last night and what she's doing today.

[Grammaticus]

Don't use the swordman on her if she is already in jail. That just does not make sense.

Vote to send Dogeius Erchickus to the Rock

[Poli]

Kinda weird not having kwhit around today.

[Barkeep49]

DC...is an interesting case. Her emotional outburst really makes me think she's innocent. Nothing she's really done in the past makes me think she's the kind of person that can fake that kind of outrage...but it's not impossible she learned how, one way or another. But if she's really as hotheaded as she seems she is ;), then it's probably legit. Really hard to control/fake that kind of stuff.


Except that this would be her first time as a wolf. We have no idea what her wolfish play is. And I point out I had my own moment of outrage after KWhit and I failed to arrest two people on our first day as consuls.

[Grammaticus]

Is there an out of game reason why Kwhit is not around?

[Ironhead]

I am at work so I don't have a lot of time to elaborate on this and will not be on to post again until probably 6 pm est.

The following are the recorded votes for Consul:

Anxiety Barkeep, DaddyTorgo
Ardent Ardent, Autumn
Autumn Autumn, Ironhead
Barkeep Barkeep, KWhit
Chief Rum Ironhead, Passacaglia
Chubby
Coffee Warlord KWhit, Coffee Warlord
Daddy KWhit, DaddyTorgo
Dodgerchick Dodgerchick, Autumn
Grammaticus Grammaticus, Ironhead
Ironhead Ironhead, Autumn
Kwhit Autumn, Coffee
Mustang
Narcizo Autumn, Ironhead
Neon Chaos
Passacaglia Passacaglia
Path12 Autumn, KWhit
Peregrine KWhit, Ironhead
Tyrith Ironhead, Autumn



Post #2244
VOTE IRONHEAD CONSUL
VOTE KWHIT CONSUL

VOTE "MAKE THE BAD MAN FLY MOMMY! MAKE HIM FLY!!" (throw Neon_Chaos off the rock)


I went back and checked everyone's vote against what the final "recorded" votes were. The only in thread vote that didn't match the final votes was DaddyTorgo's vote for me as Consul - the final vote was changed to himself. As far as I know the only way to change a vote is with the Priest, who Coffee Warlord had stated he won in the thread yesterday. He even stated that it was a "worthless" service.

So assuming he wasn't lying about having the service why did he take the time to change a vote away from me as Consul? I could go back and try to figure out a timeline of votes later, but I don't think DT was ever really in the running to win as Consul yesterday. I don't think this speaks to guilt on DaddyTorgo as much as it is a very curious move by CW.

[Chief Rum]

All right, here is the current wealth list, with suggested bids:

The following are the wealthiest men in Rome:

Ardentus Enthusiastus-- sword killer (already bid, I believe)
Kayus Whitus-- ardent lawyer (i think we should prioritize putting ardent in someone's service besides DC)


The following Senators are known as extremely wealthy:

Abeus Anxietus-- narcizo lawyer (tryingf to change up where possible)
Dodgeus Erchickus-- can't bid today, in jail
Passus Caglius-- sex slaves
Pathus Twelveus-- one of the two bodyguards--pick one and be absolutely clear who you're picking


The following Senators are known as moderately wealthy:

Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus-- can't bid today, in jail
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus-- which ever bodyguard path12 doesn't pick, or if path12 comes later, path12 should pick whatever BG CW doesn't pick
Grammus Atticus-- backup sex slaves bid
Ironus Headus-- backup sword killer bid
Narcizus Lispus-- won't be able to bid today

The following remaining Senators are of normal wealth:


Autumnus Leavus -- backup ardent lawyer bid
Chiefus Rumus-- backup narcizo lawyer bid
Chubbus Chubbus
Daddus Torgous
Mustangus Sallus
Tyrus Ithus

I am in and out today, so I can't really flesh this out or give more suggestions. Some of you here will have to be custodians of seeing this all done.

My bid for Narcizo's services is in.

I will submit votes in a second.

[Poli]

You are correct, my bid is in.

[Chief Rum]

EXECUTE DODGERCHICK

She might be good and just misguided, but we can't make that assumption. Sorry DC, but we were always headed to this point.

I don't have arrest suspects right now, although I am leaning toward Coffee Warlord because of growing suspicious activity. It might be time to just remove Chubby from the game, too. It's clear he isn't participating.

I am out for the day. Good luck everyone.

[Grammaticus]

Okay, I have put in my backup bid for durus pimpus.

[path12]

Care to expand on that? To me it seemed the only arrest to make, almost everyone wanted it, herself included.

It's more meta than anything else. DC has never been a wolf, and she has been increasingly frustrated at times (personally I think she's being way too hard on herself) with in game situations that come up. Her blowup strikes me as a buildup of frustration for feeling like she made a mistake and is totally in character with being innocent in my opinion.

I could be wrong, but if she was bad I think she would not pick this time to blow up. So I think it was a waste because I don't think she's guilty. But I don't get the case against Barkeep either, so I find myself with the dilemma of having to choose between two people I kind of trust. Such is WW.

[DaddyTorgo]

VERY VERY INTERESTING IRONHEAD!

I know that I voted for you because as I said, I feel like you've been right on, and I didn't think electing myself consul would be as good as electing you consul.

So my vote was changed hmmm? Very curious CW.

I vote that our consuls move to arrest him.

[DaddyTorgo]

i vote arrest chubby and arrest CW.

[Coffee Warlord]

So assuming he wasn't lying about having the service why did he take the time to change a vote away from me as Consul? I could go back and try to figure out a timeline of votes later, but I don't think DT was ever really in the running to win as Consul yesterday. I don't think this speaks to guilt on DaddyTorgo as much as it is a very curious move by CW.

Further interesting due to the fact that I absolutely did not send in an order to use his services yesterday.

[Grammaticus]

Good spot Iron Head.

[Poli]

This is getting interesting.

[Autumn]

Sorry. Didn't realise that. I'm going to redo this in the same format then, just because I think it's a bit clearer. And I want the glory of having my list quoted and altered.

The wealthiest men in Rome are:
Abeus Anxietus - Bid Pimp Bloke #2088/#2200 -
Dodgeus Erchickus - Bid Ardent #2205
Kayus Whitus - Bid Swordsman #2224

The following Senators are known to be extremely wealthy:
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus - Bid Swordsman #2071. Failed #2294.
Ironus Headus - Bid Senna #2269. Failed #2331
Passus Caglius - Bid Vitus Avidus #2069
Pathus Twelvus - Bid Ardent #2275. Failed #2340

The following Senators are of moderate wealth:
Autumnus Leavus - Failed on Ardent #2327
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus - Vote Ardent #2192.
Chiefus Rumus - Bid Pimp #2059 Failed #2370
Narcizus Lispus - [Bid Swordsman]Failed #2353.

The following (remaining) Senators are of ordinary wealth for the Senatorial class:
Ardentus Enthusiastus - ?
Chubbus Chubbus - couldn't bid
Daddyus Torgous - ?
Grammus Atticus - Bid Swordsman #2206. Failed #2328
Mustangus Sallus - ?
Tyrus Ithus - Fastus Felix #2314

I'm keeping completely out of the conjecture side until we have more data but CR's right. it appears that someone in the top seven is lying. And lying about the philosopher. Which, if I've read correctly and I'm not banking on it, means that there's a good chance of there being a conversion today.

I want to clear up my bid. I bid for Ardent the day before this. On the bids being described above I made a backup bid for the sex slaves and lost.

[Poli]

As for who I'd like to see jailed, I'd go with DaddyTorgo or Path12.

A tertiary (not sure if I spelled that correctly) choice would be Tyrith.

[Autumn]

I tend to agree, but from what I see, DC got herself into this mess by being so belligerent in the first place, which seems like an odd wolf move. I don't have much suspicion of Barkeep, so I'm likely to throw my vote at DC, but I'll give her some time today.

I still have a hard time seeing Dodgerus CHickus as a traitor. It doesn't make much sense. If she is a traitor then we have to consider her use of services. Either:

1) She's been telloing the truth about the services she obtained. The use of the sex slaves was confirmed by Ironus Headus. If she was a traitor why would she choose to scan AlanT, myself and Swaggus and confirm us as loyal? I know I actually am loyal, and the others were killed by poison.

2) She's been lying about her service bids (either in league with Ironhead or only lying about the lawyer bids). She was using her bids for other services or using the lawyers in ohter ways, but pretending to use the lawyer scan on the above people.

Pretending to use the lawyer, but actually bidding on other services would be a devious traitor route to go, certainly. But if so, why scan and confirm loyalty for three people who actually are loyal? Woudln't it be much smarter to cast doubt on some loyal people and confuse us, or confirm some traitors as loyal? That seems too ridiculous a move by a wolf to believe.

That would have to be either a move to make us trust her, or just poor play. Given how well the traitors are doing, I don't believe they're playing poorly. And why would the traitors waste the wealthiest Roman on all this just to trick us?

I'm going to vote to free Dodgerchick. I think there's too much evidence showing that she's been playing on the loyal side. Yes, I wish she had done other things with some of her bids. But if she's scanned three loyal people, and blocked a player with the killer as her moves, she must be the worst traitor ever!

Barkeepus I don't have a strong sense on. I've suspected him at times. I don't have strong evidence, as I do with Dodgerus Chickus, that he's loyal. So I am going to vote EXECUTE BARKEEPUS unless I see some strong evidence in his favor.

[Autumn]

All right, here is the current wealth list, with suggested bids:

The following are the wealthiest men in Rome:

Ardentus Enthusiastus-- sword killer (already bid, I believe)
Kayus Whitus-- ardent lawyer (i think we should prioritize putting ardent in someone's service besides DC)


The following Senators are known as extremely wealthy:

Abeus Anxietus-- narcizo lawyer (tryingf to change up where possible)
Dodgeus Erchickus-- can't bid today, in jail
Passus Caglius-- sex slaves
Pathus Twelveus-- one of the two bodyguards--pick one and be absolutely clear who you're picking


The following Senators are known as moderately wealthy:

Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus-- can't bid today, in jail
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus-- which ever bodyguard path12 doesn't pick, or if path12 comes later, path12 should pick whatever BG CW doesn't pick
Grammus Atticus-- backup sex slaves bid
Ironus Headus-- backup sword killer bid
Narcizus Lispus-- won't be able to bid today

The following remaining Senators are of normal wealth:


Autumnus Leavus -- backup ardent lawyer bid
Chiefus Rumus-- backup narcizo lawyer bid
Chubbus Chubbus
Daddus Torgous
Mustangus Sallus
Tyrus Ithus

I am in and out today, so I can't really flesh this out or give more suggestions. Some of you here will have to be custodians of seeing this all done.

My bid for Narcizo's services is in.

I will submit votes in a second.

I will submit a backup bid for ARdentus.

[path12]

We haven't gotten confirmation yet as to who DC bid on and if she got that person, right?

[path12]

I will bid on the first bodyguard listed, whoever that is.

[Autumn]

If we believe Ironhead (I do), there is a definite Tarq in the following group:

Dodgerchick
KWhit
Anxiety

Passacaglia
Coffee Warlord
path12

Ironhead bid on Balbus Senna and did not get him. Only these six had the possible ability to outbid him for Senna. Which means the Tarqs may have control of a conversion skill tonight.

CW and path have said they did not get their bids. We have not heard from the other four (about their bids anyway). We had bids for the sword killer, sex slaves and ardent not get past this group, judging from bids from the next tier not coming through, so for sure, those three are also in this group. If the top three did as they said they would, they will be the three with those services.

Keep in mind nothing here says there isn't more than one Tarq in this group either. But for sure, there is one.

BTW, the odds are slim my Day One sword killer patron and the Balbus Senna usurper are one and the same, but path12 is the only one of the above who appeared on both lists. I haven't yet decided how far to think that out yet.

As I've stated elsewhere, I don't suspect Dodgerchick. The rest of this list though seem worthy of suspicion. If no one has evidence or a scan on any of these, we will have to find some way to pick from them.

I'm trying to catch up. Has Ironhead chosen an arrest suspect yet?

[Poli]

Not to my knowledge.

[st.cronin]

I have made numerous data errors in this game (although none that have significantly effected any results). There were no votes changed behind doors yesterday. If a vote was recorded wrong, I take the blame. Although I will say in my defense that people have been using lots of bold and other crazy fonts for things other than voting, and sometimes in the same post where they do vote.

[Grammaticus]

Anxietus said he won his bid. The other top tier bidders have not commented on their outcome.

[Abe Sargent]

st.cronin says: Knock it Off ;)

[st.cronin]

:)

I'm doing the best I can. This is far and away the most difficult game I've run yet.

[path12]

:)

I'm doing the best I can. This is far and away the most difficult game I've run yet.

I think you've done a good job so far, I think this would be a tough game to run... Although you do have me reviewing my ruleset for my upcoming game to make sure I'm not going to drive myself crazy........ ;)

[Lorena]

I just woke up and need to get some stuff done so I'm gonna post and take off for a few. I won the services of Ardent Enthusiast and apparently I'm still able to scan someone. If anyone can throw some names out I'd appreciate it.

I'll be back and comment some more.

[Mustang]

As I've stated elsewhere, I don't suspect Dodgerchick. The rest of this list though seem worthy of suspicion. If no one has evidence or a scan on any of these, we will have to find some way to pick from them.

I'm trying to catch up. Has Ironhead chosen an arrest suspect yet?

I thought you had thought Pass was not a traitor a few days ago?

I still am not sure if DC's messages are more and act or serious.. I tend to think serious but.. who knows.

[Autumn]

So, we need to make a decision on a scan and an arrest. I'm open to people's thoughts. I'll take a look through the posts and think about it myself.

[Autumn]

Well, I wouldn't say I thought he wasn't a traitor. But I didn't see any evidence, especially with teh player turnover just around then. It seemed worth giving some more time. I'll have to go back and look, but you're right that at the moment I don't have any damning evidence there other than the likelihood of there having been a rich traitor.

[Coffee Warlord]

So, we need to make a decision on a scan and an arrest. I'm open to people's thoughts. I'll take a look through the posts and think about it myself.

Torgo. Still.

[path12]

My candidates for a scan would be the consuls and tribune. If they're bad we're screwed.

Current candidates for arrest would be Tyrith and CW (I don't understand the lawyer capability that Ironhead pointed out yet).

[Coffee Warlord]

My candidates for a scan would be the consuls and tribune. If they're bad we're screwed.

Current candidates for arrest would be Tyrith and CW (I don't understand the lawyer capability that Ironhead pointed out yet).

Essentially, if you have the lawyer hired, you can appoint him as lawyer of the Senate and use him to prosecute instead of defense a traitor.

[Grammaticus]

I just woke up and need to get some stuff done so I'm gonna post and take off for a few. I won the services of Ardent Enthusiast and apparently I'm still able to scan someone. If anyone can throw some names out I'd appreciate it.

I'll be back and comment some more.

I suggest scanning Ardent and Kwhit or maybe CR. kwhit has been MIA and we need him on board to make the CR plan work, he is too rich. Ardent also being so rich and as the lawyer. CR because if he has the strongest good feel, so maybe just to try and make sure he is not bad. I don't know, I would probably go with Ardent. If Kwhit does not show up by deadline, I would go there.

[Grammaticus]

Actually DC, are you saying that you have a scan left over from yesterday? Or is is something that must be used at deadline today?

[path12]

Essentially, if you have the lawyer hired, you can appoint him as lawyer of the Senate and use him to prosecute instead of defense a traitor.


Jesus, how bad is it that it's day seven and I don't understand how every role works yet.

I had been under the belief that if the lawyer is hired that you said he could not both scan and defend in the same turn and someone else (don't have time to look it up right now) said that they hired the lawyer and they could do both. Which is the main basis of my suspicion toward you because up to now I've leaned towards you being good.

Am I wrong in my understanding? Also, if I understand what you're saying above, a lawyer can prosecute OR defend depending on who hired him? So a Tarq would be interested in hiring the lawyer in order to prosecute an innocent person in jail?

[Coffee Warlord]

I had been under the belief that if the lawyer is hired that you said he could not both scan and defend in the same turn and someone else (don't have time to look it up right now) said that they hired the lawyer and they could do both. Which is the main basis of my suspicion toward you because up to now I've leaned towards you being good.

To recap on how the lawyer worked when I had him (and bear in mind, I was in jail the day I had him)

- May use to defend yourself at the prison trial.
- May use in pending lawsuits.
- Will get 1 scan of person.

OR

- May appoint for the Senate and prosecute instead of defend.
- Will get 1 scan of person

From what I understand, the italicized part is the point of contention. Anxiety said it was an either/or on that part. That part was not clarified to me when I had the lawyer, and I didn't bother asking, 'cause obviously I wasn't gonna prosecute myself.

[Grammaticus]

To recap on how the lawyer worked when I had him (and bear in mind, I was in jail the day I had him)

- May use to defend yourself at the prison trial.
- May use in pending lawsuits.
- Will get 1 scan of person.

OR

- May appoint for the Senate and prosecute instead of defend.
- Will get 1 scan of person

From what I understand, the italicized part is the point of contention. Anxiety said it was an either/or on that part. That part was not clarified to me when I had the lawyer, and I didn't bother asking, 'cause obviously I wasn't gonna prosecute myself.
So, she should be able to defend herself with the lawyer and get a scan as well as use the lawyer in pending law suits. Right?

[Coffee Warlord]

I was able to do that, yes. I see no reason why she couldn't do that.

[Lorena]

Actually DC, are you saying that you have a scan left over from yesterday? Or is is something that must be used at deadline today?

Yes, due today.

[Coffee Warlord]

Vote Both Innocent

Basketball game tonight, not gonna be around.

I still think DT and AE are our traitors. Likely there's at least one more left aside from those two, but I've said I don't trust them from early on, and I still don't. Dodgerchick... I'm just not sure. Not gonna go along with the pack on this one. Barkeep, I still think highly of, and believe he was simply a victim of horrible timing/luck.

[Lorena]

To recap on how the lawyer worked when I had him (and bear in mind, I was in jail the day I had him)

- May use to defend yourself at the prison trial.
- May use in pending lawsuits.
- Will get 1 scan of person.

OR

- May appoint for the Senate and prosecute instead of defend.
- Will get 1 scan of person

I had to re-read my PM. The first time I got Ardent (who was #2 at the time), I could have prosecuted Coffee Warlord on behalf of the senate or had someone scanned. I chose not to prosecute Coffee Warlord and decided to have Ardent investigate AlanT.

[Lorena]

So basically what CW is saying is right, except I'm not sure about the use in pending lawsuits because if that was the case, I should have won my lawsuit against Imthecrew because I had Ardent at the time.

[Grammaticus]

Vote Both Innocent

Basketball game tonight, not gonna be around.

I still think DT and AE are our traitors. Likely there's at least one more left aside from those two, but I've said I don't trust them from early on, and I still don't. Dodgerchick... I'm just not sure. Not gonna go along with the pack on this one. Barkeep, I still think highly of, and believe he was simply a victim of horrible timing/luck.

I don't think you can vote innocent for both.

PRIMER:

Today Senators must vote to execute either Barkeepus Valerius of Dodgeus Erchickus.

[Coffee Warlord]

Blegh.

Lesser of two evils, then.

Vote Execute Dodgerus Chickus

Sorry DC, I trust Barkeep more than I trust you.

[Lorena]

I swear the more I read this the more I'm wondering if there are no Tarqs... I mean what IF the whole purpose of this game is to become the wealthiest person/s in the Republic.

Dunno I'm so confused :confused:

[Autumn]

All right, I'm wiating to hear from Ironus Headus about what Senator he plans to arrest tonight, or at least a list so I can make sure we don't duplicate.

[Lorena]

Dang I just can't keep up. It's work, sleep, kids, and housework, not much else... no more ww games while I'm employed I just can't hack it all. It's almost stressful to play and it shouldn't because it's just a game. But on a personal note, we have to get our son evaluated for autism so that has been on my mind as well and that's why I've been overly sensitive.

Anyway, I guess I need to vote. Obviously I'm gonna vote myself innocent but if I understand the rules, then by hiring Ardent then I should be able to be a free woman... err, man I guess.

vote dodgerchick innocent
vote bk guilty

Can I sue while in jail I don't even know... if someone can answer that I'd appreciate it. I'm off for a few hours.

[Ironhead]

Autumn - I just got home from work. Going to grab something to eat while scanning through what I have missed.

[Tyrith]

Like CW, I really, really hate this choice. DC just seems to be acting like DC. BK doesn't really have any evidence against him....aw, damnit.

[Poli]

Vote Both Innocent

I still think...AE are our traitors.


Wanna bet? :)

[Poli]

DC, would you scan Kwhit? Blast, she's already gone.

I'm finding it strangely suspicious Kwhit is nowhere to be found at a critical point. I know he visited another board earlier today.

Not that I'm stalking or metagaming, I'm just saying...

[Barkeep49]

[QUOTE=Autumn;1443942
Pretending to use the lawyer, but actually bidding on other services would be a devious traitor route to go, certainly. But if so, why scan and confirm loyalty for three people who actually are loyal? Woudln't it be much smarter to cast doubt on some loyal people and confuse us, or confirm some traitors as loyal? That seems too ridiculous a move by a wolf to believe.
[/QUOTE]
Every wolf can act as the seer since they know who the other bad guys are. Giving out information clearing others builds trust from those others since they know that they are indeed innocent. I think you'll find many veterans having used this ploy in the past, I know I have, when wolves. DC might not be an experienced wolf, but she is an experienced player. When I started playing I was a wolf nearly every time. When I started becoming a villager, my play was still very wolfish leading me to get killed early on in a lot of games. I see no reason to think that her first time as a wolf wouldn't be very close to how she is as a villager, considering all of her villager experience.

[Coffee Warlord]

If reports are to be believed, we've scanned KWhit TWICE now.

Clear someone else.

[Poli]

Working a conspiracy theory angle, this could make kwhit, anxiety, and CW all look bad.

They've all vouched for each other.

[Barkeep49]

I swear the more I read this the more I'm wondering if there are no Tarqs... I mean what IF the whole purpose of this game is to become the wealthiest person/s in the Republic.

Dunno I'm so confused :confused:

I actually think the fact that we never had a publicly announced victory condition lends some credence to the idea that killing all of the Tarqs isn't the real victory condition and is perhaps indeed something to do with money.

[Poli]

If reports are to be believed, we've scanned KWhit TWICE now.

Clear someone else.
Right, and at this point in my conspiracy theory I'm not sure I believe either of you.

[Barkeep49]

Like CW, I really, really hate this choice. DC just seems to be acting like DC. BK doesn't really have any evidence against him....aw, damnit.
I agree the mechanics of the game are unfortunate. It was why I was hoping Peregrine, who hasn't even been around today, would rethink his choice to arrest me.

[Tyrith]

VOTE EXECUTE DC

At this point, she seems stressed enough that she could have had that kind of an outburst and not necessarily be good. Really...the lesser of two evils, but I can't let me out of game feelings interfere with what I feel is more likely to be the correct choice right now.

[path12]

Not that I'm stalking or metagaming, I'm just saying...

Stalker. ;)

[Autumn]

Every wolf can act as the seer since they know who the other bad guys are. Giving out information clearing others builds trust from those others since they know that they are indeed innocent. I think you'll find many veterans having used this ploy in the past, I know I have, when wolves. DC might not be an experienced wolf, but she is an experienced player. When I started playing I was a wolf nearly every time. When I started becoming a villager, my play was still very wolfish leading me to get killed early on in a lot of games. I see no reason to think that her first time as a wolf wouldn't be very close to how she is as a villager, considering all of her villager experience.

I understand using that deception to build trust. But it seems this would be taking it excessively far. Why give an accurate read on three people? Seems like a huge wasted opportunity to create some confusion or dissent.

[Barkeep49]

DOLA -- This is a case where one candidate is better than none. If we have just one person we're able to more easily free or kill that person. In this way we're forced to kill and free someone. This was not how I anticipated the dynamic playing out.

[Autumn]

I agree the mechanics of the game are unfortunate. It was why I was hoping Peregrine, who hasn't even been around today, would rethink his choice to arrest me.

I believe that Senator Peregrinus was poisoned in his sleep last night, didn't you hear?

[Barkeep49]

Wow was my dola interrupted.

[Barkeep49]

I believe that Senator Peregrinus was poisoned in his sleep last night, didn't you hear?
Oh yeah. Forgot. I maintain the idea though that he hasn't been around :). You've just kind of excused his absence.

[Poli]

Autumn and Ironhead:

I hope you've read what I've posted in the last few minutes. I think I *might* be on to something here.

[Barkeep49]

I understand using that deception to build trust. But it seems this would be taking it excessively far. Why give an accurate read on three people? Seems like a huge wasted opportunity to create some confusion or dissent.
Except look at the confusion and dissent we have. Being honest, while undermining the villagers cause (by not taking out of play some of the more powerful bad guy powers) seems like a great way to build trust. I mean doesn't it figure that one of the richest people to start with was a bad guy?

[Tyrith]

Oh yeah. Forgot. I maintain the idea though that he hasn't been around :). You've just kind of excused his absence.

He can take blame from beyond the grave.

[Barkeep49]

I should add while I felt real good about DC as a bad guy at the start of the day my enthusiasm for her has waned, but I still think a better case can be made for her being a bad guy than me (obviously).

[Autumn]

I agree, Ardentus. Those three have created a bit of a self-congratulatory circle there, and if one of them is not to be trusted we have to worry about all of them.

[Poli]

To me, it just seems like Kwhit had an important role in what had to happen yesterday, and he hasn't shown to report it.

I could understand if he had something keeping him from coming in, but I just happened to see him at the MP FOF league forums. I wasn't looking for him specifically, as I had MP leagues on my mind at the time, but found it odd to see him there and not here.

[Autumn]

I'm going to go eat. I'll be after that to check in.

[Poli]

Looking at the last time he's logged in, he had an opportunity to let us know then as well.

[path12]

I agree, Ardentus. Those three have created a bit of a self-congratulatory circle there, and if one of them is not to be trusted we have to worry about all of them.

Yeah, but doesn't there have to be a point if someone is cleared twice we need to just accept that and try and get a read on someone else? If we're not going to trust the scan results the only way we're gonna clear anyone is after they're thrown off the friggin' rock.

I'm for clearing different people, whatever that's worth. I do not see how multiple scans help us.