Werewolf XLV - ROME! (Game over, post 3425)

[KWhit]

If the sex slaves can stop a Consul from arresting someone then we are really screwed. I mean, I'm pretty sure there's no way we can win anyway, but that would really clinch it.

They stop an action. I would be surprised if it couldn't stop a consul arrest.

[Passacaglia]

Dear Senators, I have more grave news. I was unable to procure the services of Macro Gothicus.

[hoopsguy]

OK, so lets try and work through how the hiring of the killer would work.

Day 1 - we see a list of services, including Furius Lucius
Day 2 - whoever won Furius deploys him. But the bad guys allow Macro Gothicus to fall to Ironhead, when there are multiple wealthier people ahead of him (Bullet and Crew were good, DC and Pass/MV were ahead of him as well, possibly others)
Day 3 - bad guys win the bid fof Furius again, based on results
Day 4 - we try to coordinate who gets Macro, bad guys release Furius again.

[hoopsguy]

Dear Senators, I have more grave news. I was unable to procure the services of Macro Gothicus.

The only person who could beat you for that bid would be DC. Crew was not allowed to procure services from prison and you three were at the top of the food chain.

[Passacaglia]

As I promised, I went out in search of the man I was told was named Furio, but was actually named Macro. I hired him on the spot, but upon returning to my office, he informed me that his name was actually Maximus Maximus, and that he was a bodyguard.

My intent truly was to hire Macro Gothicus, and I am sure I called him Macro Gothicus by name in my correspondence with him. It was not until the contract had been signed that he revealed his true identity. I am sorry I let down the Republic by being duped in such a manner.

[Poli]

My message has been sent.

[KWhit]

As I promised, I went out in search of the man I was told was named Furio, but was actually named Macro. I hired him on the spot, but upon returning to my office, he informed me that his name was actually Maximus Maximus, and that he was a bodyguard.

My intent truly was to hire Macro Gothicus, and I am sure I called him Macro Gothicus by name in my correspondence with him. It was not until the contract had been signed that he revealed his true identity. I am sorry I let down the Republic by being duped in such a manner.

Huh?

[Peregrine]

So we'll have to hear from Barkeep to be sure, but if he was sex slaved, then who are the traitors protecting? The last list Barkeep made was LSG (already arrested), myself (loyal) and Antmeister.

[Passacaglia]

The only person who could beat you for that bid would be DC. Crew was not allowed to procure services from prison and you three were at the top of the food chain.

I can't guarantee that DC beat me, as I ended up with Maximus Maximus. :eek:

[hoopsguy]

Well, the answer to who got Macro will come into play tomorrow, not with the results we just saw.

[Abe Sargent]

So Ironhead had the sex slaves sent to him on day 3? Meaning they were back in play today, right? So someone could have sent them to BK????

Can anyone vouch for them? Who won them yesterday?

As I mentioned earlier, I won them. I did not send them to Bk, that'd be silly.

[KWhit]

As I mentioned earlier, I won them. I did not send them to Bk, that'd be silly.


I didn't remember who said they had them. So you had the sex slaves last night/today? Did you send them to somebody?

[hoopsguy]

Updated lawsuit results (current):

AlanT (5-0) over KWhit, Hoops, Rum, Barkeep, and ITC
KWhit (14-1) loss to Alan, wins over WVU, Saldana, Swaggs, AE, Bullet, SnDvls, Rum, DT, Hoops, Narc, Neon, Tyrith, Ardent, Anxiety
Anxiety (6-1) loss to KWhit. Wins over Neon, DT, LSG, MV, Schmidty twice
Saldana (6-1) loss to KWhit, wins over Autumn, Barkeep, Rum, CW twice, and Ant
Narcizo (3-1) loss to KWhit, wins over Peregrine, LSG, and DT
Peregrine (3-1) loss to Narcizo, wins over Path, Neon, and LSG
Path (2-1) loss to Peregrine, wins over Neon and Ant
Gramm (2-1) loss to Autumn, wins over Mustang and Pass
Hoops (3-2) losses to Alan and KWhit, wins over Autumn, BK, and DT
Autumn (3-2) loss to Saldana and Hoops, wins over WVU, Gramm, and Neon
Bullet (1-1) loss to KWhit, win over ITC
AE (2-2) loss to KWhit twice, win over Swaggs and CW
CW (2-3) loss to Ardent and Saldana twice, wins over Iron and DC
Barkeep (2-3) lost to Saldana, KWhit,and Hoops. Wins over Neon twice
Crew (1-2) losses to Bullet and AlanT, win over DC
Rum (1-3) losses to Alan, KWhit, and Saldana. wins over LSG
Neon (2-7) losses to Barkeep twice, Autumn, Path, Peregrine, win over Ant twice
DT (1-4) lost to Anxiety, KWhit, Narcizo, and Hoops. Win over WVU
Ant (1-4) lost to Neon twice, Path, and Saldana. Win over Schmidty
Iron (0-1) loss to CW
SnDvls (0-1) loss to KWhit
Tyrith (0-1) loss to KWhit
Swaggs (0-2) loss to KWhit and AE
DC (0-2) lost to ITC and CW
Pass (0-2) lost to Anxiety and Gramm
Schmidty (0-3) loss to Anxiety twice and Ant
LSG (0-4) lost to Rum, Narcizo, Peregrine, and Anxiety
WVU/Mustang (0-4) loss to Autumn, DT, KWhit, Gramm

[Abe Sargent]

The only person who could beat you for that bid would be DC. Crew was not allowed to procure services from prison and you three were at the top of the food chain.

That depends on if money changes before bids are done. Has stcronin posted that? He got knocked down hard today.

[path12]

The following Senators have been murdered:

Saldanus Lathumus, by sword
Schmidtyus Schmidtyus, by poison

Crap. I was trying to hire him.

[Lorena]

Alright I just woke up so I'm gonna post what I got by PM. I acquired the services of Ardent for Day IV and I had him check Autumn... he's in the clear no evidence of wrongdoing.

Now I gotta get ready for work... cya'll later.

[Antmeister]

Man....something is way off. KWhit, you are totally defending BK and I am not 100% sure which person sent the vote. Anxiety clearly states that he acquired the sex slaves and didn't use them on BK. Do I trust Anxiety, KWhit, or BK? Who is BSing us?

[Abe Sargent]

As one of the new wealthiest, do you folks think I should make a play for Furius today? Or should I try to lock up one of teh better roles that aren't as contentious?

[Abe Sargent]

I want to hear from BK first. What happened buddy?

[Autumn]

That depends on if money changes before bids are done. Has stcronin posted that? He got knocked down hard today.

That will be vital to know. Hopefully st.cronin will give us that info.

So far, it seems like either Barkeepus or Abeus Anxietus is a traitor. I'll be waiting to hear Barkeepus' defense.

I don't understand what you are saying Pascalligus. Do you think a mistake was made in your PMs with St.Cronin?

[hoopsguy]

That depends on if money changes before bids are done. Has stcronin posted that? He got knocked down hard today.

Anxiety, how did you come into such great wealth? You jumped two levels, which is more rapid than when KWhit was winning 5+ suits a day.

[Poli]

Oh, shoot. BK is here. This should be good.

[Abe Sargent]

Maybe it was the people I beat?

[KWhit]

Man....something is way off. KWhit, you are totally defending BK and I am not 100% sure which person sent the vote. Anxiety clearly states that he acquired the sex slaves and didn't use them on BK. Do I trust Anxiety, KWhit, or BK? Who is BSing us?


:rolleyes:


I am trying to figure out what happened. I'm not defending anybody - especially BK after he ripped me a new on last night when my conditional arrest didn't go through. If it turns out that he screwed up and didn't get an order in, then his ass is grass.

And why in the WORLD would you think I didn't make the arrest? I posted this WELL before BK started discussing who he would vote for:

This is for Barkeep:

I'm going to arrest LoneStarGirlus.


:D



Just having a little fun.


And then LSG is the one who was arrested! Why would you even consider that I didn't make the arrest like I said I would. It makes no sense!

[Autumn]

I'm glad to be in the clear, Dodgerus Chickus, but I don't know if it's been wise for you to use your wealth on the lawyers and sex slaves while we're getting murdered.

[Abe Sargent]

My guess is I was nearly at the top of that level, and then the combination of multiple victories today turned out really well for me.

[Poli]

Alas, it's time for me to retire to chambers. G'night.

[Autumn]

Anxiety, how did you come into such great wealth? You jumped two levels, which is more rapid than when KWhit was winning 5+ suits a day.

It seems bizarre to me too. It could be a quirk of the numbers.

[Barkeep49]

I apologize. I was at work at the library and the internet was basically down and I was prevented from sending in any sort of order.

[Peregrine]

I have to admit, I'm starting to get a bit suspicious why all the lawyers are getting killed, but AE continues to remain alive. Traitors protecting their own, perhaps.

[KWhit]

I apologize. I was at work at the library and the internet was basically down and I was prevented from sending in any sort of order.

That's too bad.

:rolleyes:

[Mustang]

If Barkeep is a tarq, (or anyone for that matter), what is the benefit in NOT arresting someone? The only thing I can think of is that LSG is not a Tarq, he knows that and so he would not bother with an arrest but, that seems like a horrible move. :confused:

[Autumn]

And why in the WORLD would you think I didn't make the arrest? I posted this WELL before BK started discussing who he would vote for:

As I said before the results of the execution, I had the impression Antus knew ITC was innocent, and is trying to set up some other loyal members to look bad. This seems more of the same. This suggests to me that Antus and perhaps Barkeepus both are traitors. I'd be glad to see evidence that proves me wrong.

[KWhit]

I have to admit, I'm starting to get a bit suspicious why all the lawyers are getting killed, but AE continues to remain alive. Traitors protecting their own, perhaps.


I noticed the same thing. Don't know if it means anything. But it's something to keep an eye on.

[Coffee Warlord]

Well kids, I screwed up.

Yes. I had the sword last night, and used it on Saldana. It was a calculated risk that, well, failed miserably. From the beginning, I frankly thought there was a chance that the Tarqs might start with one position of power, and Tribune was the only position that none of us could challenge. Add to that the fact that Saldana was posting very sparingly, and I had a suspicion in the back of my head that he could be bad.

So...yesterday I bid on the murdered, and had him executed. I took a shot on a gut feeling, and blew it. May have screwed us royally, and if so, my apologies.

If you wanna gut me, go ahead. Still not a traitor, though I freely admit I done messed up on that one.

[KWhit]

As I said before the results of the execution, I had the impression Antus knew ITC was innocent, and is trying to set up some other loyal members to look bad. This seems more of the same. This suggests to me that Antus and perhaps Barkeepus both are traitors. I'd be glad to see evidence that proves me wrong.


I agree about Ant. He either is not listening, not thinking, or is a Tarquin. Neither one of those is particularly helpful.

[Barkeep49]

That's too bad.

:rolleyes:
See the WW ethics thread. I never lie about RL availability and have a long history of stating how I'm at work on Thursday nights.

[KWhit]

Well kids, I screwed up.

Yes. I had the sword last night, and used it on Saldana. It was a calculated risk that, well, failed miserably. From the beginning, I frankly thought there was a chance that the Tarqs might start with one position of power, and Tribune was the only position that none of us could challenge. Add to that the fact that Saldana was posting very sparingly, and I had a suspicion in the back of my head that he could be bad.

So...yesterday I bid on the murdered, and had him executed. I took a shot on a gut feeling, and blew it. May have screwed us royally, and if so, my apologies.

If you wanna gut me, go ahead. Still not a traitor, though I freely admit I done messed up on that one.


Do we KNOW that Saldana was loyal? Did I miss something?

[hoopsguy]

It is a smidge early to go after people for still being alive (in my opinion), but I think it is critical that the person hiring Lawyer #2 (Neon) use them to scan Ardent.

[Coffee Warlord]

I didn't see any notice that he WASN'T, so I assume the worst. Believe me, I'd be quite relieved if my gamble paid off.

[Autumn]

If Barkeep is a tarq, (or anyone for that matter), what is the benefit in NOT arresting someone? The only thing I can think of is that LSG is not a Tarq, he knows that and so he would not bother with an arrest but, that seems like a horrible move. :confused:

Well that seems like a great move, actually. As has been mentioned, wtih two candidates there's a chance of a split vote and no execution. So far we've shown willingness to jump on a bandwagon and kill a quiet Senator regardless of the lack of negative evidence. If Barkeepus was a traitor, and saw Kayus Whitus' arrest plan, it would be smart for him to not arrest.

Except for the fact that everybody's going to be hihgly dubious of any excuse he uses, and likely to label him a traitor.

[KWhit]

See the WW ethics thread. I never lie about RL availability and have a long history of stating how I'm at work on Thursday nights.


I'm not accusing you of lying. I'm just pissed off that you blasted me last night about this and then tonight you screw the pooch.

That's all.

:)

[hoopsguy]

So...yesterday I bid on the murdered, and had him executed. I took a shot on a gut feeling, and blew it. May have screwed us royally, and if so, my apologies.

If you wanna gut me, go ahead. Still not a traitor, though I freely admit I done messed up on that one.

Didn't learn your lesson from my Necromancer game, eh?

Although have we got anything that 100% validates that the "senators" are not Tarqs? I'm certainly working under that assumption. Did your PM make it absolutely clear that you murdered a Roman and not a Tarq?

[Barkeep49]

I'm not accusing you of lying. I'm just pissed off that you blasted me last night about this and then tonight you screw the pooch.

That's all.

:)
Fair enough.

[KWhit]

Well that seems like a great move, actually. As has been mentioned, wtih two candidates there's a chance of a split vote and no execution. So far we've shown willingness to jump on a bandwagon and kill a quiet Senator regardless of the lack of negative evidence. If Barkeepus was a traitor, and saw Kayus Whitus' arrest plan, it would be smart for him to not arrest.

Except for the fact that everybody's going to be hihgly dubious of any excuse he uses, and likely to label him a traitor.

I don't know. Everybody gave me so much crap last night (BK included), that I don't think it makes sense for a Tarq consul to use this as a ploy. A much better strategy is just to arrest a good guy, IMO.

Now, I'm pretty ticked off about the whole thing and wouldn't mind throwing off the cliff just because, but I don't think his non-arrest makes him any more likely to be a Tarq.

[Autumn]

Well kids, I screwed up.

Yes. I had the sword last night, and used it on Saldana. It was a calculated risk that, well, failed miserably. From the beginning, I frankly thought there was a chance that the Tarqs might start with one position of power, and Tribune was the only position that none of us could challenge. Add to that the fact that Saldana was posting very sparingly, and I had a suspicion in the back of my head that he could be bad.

So...yesterday I bid on the murdered, and had him executed. I took a shot on a gut feeling, and blew it. May have screwed us royally, and if so, my apologies.

If you wanna gut me, go ahead. Still not a traitor, though I freely admit I done messed up on that one.

Wow, that was a rather bold move, and I definitely woudln't have singled Saldanus out myself. I'm tempted to give you the benefit of the doubt based on my previous trust of you. But I think it likely we'll never find out Saldana's loyalty, and now we have to worry about you.

I'd like to make a point that we now know that Balbus Senna can convert a Senator, correct? So we have to factor conversions into our trust equations. We know one night he was used by Schmidty on Hoops, mistakenly. I believe hew as also available for bidding on Day 2, and so was probably used on Day 3.

[Antmeister]

:rolleyes:


I am trying to figure out what happened. I'm not defending anybody - especially BK after he ripped me a new on last night when my conditional arrest didn't go through. If it turns out that he screwed up and didn't get an order in, then his ass is grass.

And why in the WORLD would you think I didn't make the arrest? I posted this WELL before BK started discussing who he would vote for:




And then LSG is the one who was arrested! Why would you even consider that I didn't make the arrest like I said I would. It makes no sense!

Ugh....my bad, I am confused by the rules. I thought this was a PM vote and that explained the conditional vote earlier. After reading the first page again, I guess that mean you did make your vote.

[KWhit]

I'd like to make a point that we now know that Balbus Senna can convert a Senator, correct?

We do?!?!?

What did I miss?

[KWhit]

Ugh....my bad, I am confused by the rules. I thought this was a PM vote and that explained the conditional vote earlier. After reading the first page again, I guess that mean you did make your vote.

It is a PM vote.

My point was why in the world would I tell everyone that I was gonna vote for LSG and then not do it. And yet LSG gets arrested anyway.

Doesn't make sense...

But it IS a PM arrest (just to be clear).

[Peregrine]

It is a smidge early to go after people for still being alive (in my opinion), but I think it is critical that the person hiring Lawyer #2 (Neon) use them to scan Ardent.

I'd buy this tactic even more if I didn't already suspect Neon. There seems to be no doubt that the traitors are killing off lawyers to get control of them. It's possible they have both slots now, if so, we're in trouble.

[Autumn]

See the WW ethics thread. I never lie about RL availability and have a long history of stating how I'm at work on Thursday nights.

I've read that thread and so I'm tempted to believe you. It certainly woudl piss me off to no end for it to be a lie after you've said this. I don't know you, so I'll presume you're not lying.

I find it straining the capacity of my brain cells though to think that at this point in the game any consul would not submit a provisional order early in the day. We have had some excuse every single day for not making two arrests. It's looking like we're going to have to chalk this game up to bumbling moves and missing players.

[Coffee Warlord]

Didn't learn your lesson from my Necromancer game, eh?

Although have we got anything that 100% validates that the "senators" are not Tarqs? I'm certainly working under that assumption. Did your PM make it absolutely clear that you murdered a Roman and not a Tarq?

I didn't get a PM of any sort about it. So it's theoretically possible that I got a Tarq, I really don't know.

And dammit, the Necro game I second guessed myself and blew it. This time I didn't second guess myself...and possibly blew it. :)

[Barkeep49]

I'd buy this tactic even more if I didn't already suspect Neon. There seems to be no doubt that the traitors are killing off lawyers to get control of them. It's possible they have both slots now, if so, we're in trouble.
Can you explain why you think Neon is a bad guy? You mentioned it earlier and again now.

[Autumn]

We do?!?!?

What did I miss?

Ironus Headus posted that he had the services of the philosopher, and described them. It sounds like you send the philosopher to another member to "convince them of your views." Schmidtyus thought this was a means of vouching for yourself and so sent him to Hoopyus.

I'm presuming it has no effect in the hands of a loyal Senator, but in the hands of a traitor would make a conversion.

[Barkeep49]

I've read that thread and so I'm tempted to believe you. It certainly woudl piss me off to no end for it to be a lie after you've said this. I don't know you, so I'll presume you're not lying.

I find it straining the capacity of my brain cells though to think that at this point in the game any consul would not submit a provisional order early in the day. We have had some excuse every single day for not making two arrests. It's looking like we're going to have to chalk this game up to bumbling moves and missing players.
Are you joking? After yesterday the last thing I wanted to do was send in a provisional order early in the day. The library I work at has triple T3s, from two different providers. The fact that we were off the internet means that there is some kind of major problem. In frankly never occurred to me that I wouldn't be online tonight.

[Antmeister]

It is a PM vote.

My point was why in the world would I tell everyone that I was gonna vote for LSG and then not do it. And yet LSG gets arrested anyway.

Doesn't make sense...

But it IS a PM arrest (just to be clear).

Man, if you are a Tarquin, and let's say Barkeep voted for LSG and you simply didn't vote, yet claimed you did, it would make perfect sense. However Barkeep says that he missed his vote so that throws that theory in the toilet. That is why I was hot and bothered by the last vote. I didn't know who was telling the truth. Because you could post one thing and decide not to do anything or even vote for the same person. Vote throwing in my conspiratorial 2 cents.

[KWhit]

Ironus Headus posted that he had the services of the philosopher, and described them. It sounds like you send the philosopher to another member to "convince them of your views." Schmidtyus thought this was a means of vouching for yourself and so sent him to Hoopyus.

I'm presuming it has no effect in the hands of a loyal Senator, but in the hands of a traitor would make a conversion.

I read what Schmidty and Hoops said about it, but I didn't reach the same conclusions you did.

Hmmmm..... I don't know if that's what that means or not.... Other opinions?

[Autumn]

So far it seems to me we've cleared a number of people through scans, and that's about all we've accomplished. One of those is dead by poison, we've executed two people we are fairly sure were innocent, another person is dead by poison and therefore presumably was loyal. Two are dead by sword. One we presume to be loyal since no loyal Senator claimed credit, the other one is in dispute.

Meanwhile we have not managed to kill a traitor, or even identify one. I find it likely that at least one major role has been snagged by a traitor, and that the traitors have possibly risen in the wealth ratings while we stumbled around.

I also suspect we've arrested an innocent Senator yet again, and therefore have little likelihood of making a kill tomorrow.

I can only wait and see what other services people won and used. And hope that if one of the Loyal Senators purchased the sellsword's service, that they use it on one of the presumed traitors as things become clear.

[hoopsguy]

Let me try to give more detail about Senna without a direct quote.

Senna was writing a book and wanted to get my views on the Republic. I did not find him to be particularly engaging and we ended our conversation.

I'm going to be extremely concerned if there is a regular (every other day or more?) option for him to convert.

[Autumn]

Are you joking? After yesterday the last thing I wanted to do was send in a provisional order early in the day. The library I work at has triple T3s, from two different providers. The fact that we were off the internet means that there is some kind of major problem. In frankly never occurred to me that I wouldn't be online tonight.

Joking? We've missed arrests every day for one reason or another. I would think that ultra extreme caution would be utilized. Future consuls - please send in a provisional (not a conditional) arrest order immediately!

[KWhit]

Let me try to give more detail about Senna without a direct quote.

Senna was writing a book and wanted to get my views on the Republic. I did not find him to be particularly engaging and we ended our conversation.

How strange. That is very vague.

[Autumn]

Let me try to give more detail about Senna without a direct quote.

Senna was writing a book and wanted to get my views on the Republic. I did not find him to be particularly engaging and we ended our conversation.

I'm going to be extremely concerned if there is a regular (every other day or more?) option for him to convert.

Hmm, not very clear. Ironhead, can we get a description from you again?

And can the lawyers confirm that they got no report on the loyalty of Saldanus?

[Abe Sargent]

I'd buy this tactic even more if I didn't already suspect Neon. There seems to be no doubt that the traitors are killing off lawyers to get control of them. It's possible they have both slots now, if so, we're in trouble.

Totally agree about the whole suspicion on N_C thing

[Mustang]

Well, the answer to who got Macro will come into play tomorrow, not with the results we just saw.

If Pass bid on Macro and didn't get him, wouldn't it have to be one of these people (higher or same wealth bracket?)

Abeus Anxietus
Dodeus Erchickus
Kayus Whitus
Coffeeus Yakus Warlordus
Ironus Headus

[hoopsguy]

If Pass bid on Macro and didn't get him, wouldn't it have to be one of these people (higher or same wealth bracket?)

Abeus Anxietus
Dodeus Erchickus
Kayus Whitus
Coffeeus Yakus Warlordus
Ironus Headus

Depends on the timing of the suits versus services. At the time the bids were placed only Dodeus Erchickus would have been ahead. ImTheCrew was in the pokey and couldn't place a vote. And Pass had just moved up the list, which makes it unlikely to me that he elevated beyond DC when neither was heavily invested in lawsuits on Day 3.

If the suits are processed prior to purchasing services, then the list you provided would be in play.

[Autumn]

Depends on the timing of the suits versus services. At the time the bids were placed only Dodeus Erchickus would have been ahead. ImTheCrew was in the pokey and couldn't place a vote. And Pass had just moved up the list, which makes it unlikely to me that he elevated beyond DC when neither was heavily invested in lawsuits on Day 3.

If the suits are processed prior to purchasing services, then the list you provided would be in play.

But I don't understand Pass's explanation. Why did he receive Maximus? Did he make a mistake in his PM? Is there some hidden mechanic at play?

[Abe Sargent]

I placed a bid on the first legionnaire on teh list. Don't remember his name because I sent my bid in before stcronin chnaged the list, but I told him I wanted the top, first legionnaire, whoever it was. I failed. So someone above me got him.

[Autumn]

Not to mention it's perfectly possible he's lying to cover up a plan to use the sellsword to kill a loyal Senator today.

[Mustang]

Depends on the timing of the suits versus services. At the time the bids were placed only Dodeus Erchickus would have been ahead.

So, Dodeus Erchickus has the bid of Macro then?

[Mustang]

Not to mention it's perfectly possible he's lying to cover up a plan to use the sellsword to kill a loyal Senator today.

Which is what I'm wondering what is up. If he is that high on the list, there are only a few people that could have Macro which, I'm assuming is some type of killer? But, instead, he has a Legionnaire which, I'm assuming, is some type of bodyguard?

[Antmeister]

Not to mention it's perfectly possible he's lying to cover up a plan to use the sellsword to kill a loyal Senator today.

Yeah, I am totally lost when I read his post talking about Furio/Macro/Maximus.

[Autumn]

Which is what I'm wondering what is up. If he is that high on the list, there are only a few people that could have Macro which, I'm assuming is some type of killer? But, instead, he has a Legionnaire which, I'm assuming, is some type of bodyguard?

Yes, it's not clear until he writes in again. If he had been outbid, he should have received nothing. So either there was some confusion between he and St.Cronin, he's making this all up to confuse us, or there's some game mechanic coming up that we have not yet seen.

[Grammaticus]

THROW LONUS STARUS GIRIUS TO THE ROCKUS

If she sees that she is going to bungie without a cord, she may talk.

I vote to jail Coffeus Warlordus as he apparently knows Saldana is good from his post stating he made a mistake. Makes no sense that he would state that unless he knows. Without a scan he would have to be a Tarq to know that.

[Mustang]

As a RL note, I will be involved with a disaster recovery exercise with my job tomorrow. It starts at like 6 AM and runs until god knows when so, I very much doubt I will be posting until night time.

[Ironhead]

Just got back. I would like to state the obvious.

The game is turning into one big clusterfuck for the village.

That is all (time to do some analysis).

[Mustang]

Took me 24 hours and my head was spinning but, I think I'm finally into the game. :D Hard game to get thrust into the middle of...

[Autumn]

I'm done throwing innocent quiet people off the rock. We have succeeded in stealing much of Lonestarus Girlus's money, and that's good enough for me. I want to arrest someone who's actually a traitor tomorrow.

VOTE TO FREE LONESTARUS GIRLUS

I'm going to wait to see what becomes clearer before I suggest my arrests. There sure are plenty of suspects this time.

[Grammaticus]

Yeah Mustang, this game is pretty obscure. It is very difficult to determine what we can do, even at this point in the game.

[Grammaticus]

I'm done throwing innocent quiet people off the rock. We have succeeded in stealing much of Lonestarus Girlus's money, and that's good enough for me. I want to arrest someone who's actually a traitor tomorrow.

VOTE TO FREE LONESTARUS GIRLUS

I'm going to wait to see what becomes clearer before I suggest my arrests. There sure are plenty of suspects this time.

Of the people who have died, who have we confirmed as either Republican or Tarq?

[Mustang]

Of the people who have died, who have we confirmed as either Republican or Tarq?

Everyone is Republican as far as I can determine. I'd hope that if they were a Tarq, they would have been revealed to be as such.

[Mustang]

I'm going to wait to see what becomes clearer before I suggest my arrests. There sure are plenty of suspects this time.

So, going to suggest arrests 5 days from now? :D

[Grammaticus]

Everyone is Republican as far as I can determine. I'd hope that if they were a Tarq, they would have been revealed to be as such.

We don't get a faction reveal upon death. We have to use game mechanics to figure it out. As far as I know, we do not know what Saldana's faction was.

[Mustang]

We don't get a faction reveal upon death. We have to use game mechanics to figure it out. As far as I know, we do not know what Saldana's faction was.

ooof...

That I didn't know.

[Autumn]

Of the people who have died, who have we confirmed as either Republican or Tarq?

Bulletus and Imust were confirmed to be loyal. The two poison deaths are presumably loyal since as far as we know only traitors can use poison. The two sword deaths are not confirmed, but Alanus Teeus had been scanned and seems 99% likely to have been loyal.

[Grammaticus]

Bulletus and Imust were confirmed to be loyal. The two poison deaths are presumably loyal since as far as we know only traitors can use poison. The two sword deaths are not confirmed, but Alanus Teeus had been scanned and seems 99% likely to have been loyal.

AE validated Imus the crewus.

How does the lawyer thing work. Do they get a definate faction scan? At one point Dodgerus Erchicus stated she scanned Alanus with a lawyer, I believe AE and he said that he did not know the outcome. But now he knows the outcome of Imus. How does it work?

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, there was a mistake in communication, not on my part. I tried to correct it immediately, but was unable to. So I have no freaking idea what happened.

[Coffee Warlord]

THROW LONUS STARUS GIRIUS TO THE ROCKUS

If she sees that she is going to bungie without a cord, she may talk.

I vote to jail Coffeus Warlordus as he apparently knows Saldana is good from his post stating he made a mistake. Makes no sense that he would state that unless he knows. Without a scan he would have to be a Tarq to know that.

Read a few posts down. I was under the impression either the lawyers immediately knew someone was a Tarq when they died, or we were automatically told.

[Mustang]

Yeah, there was a mistake in communication, not on my part. I tried to correct it immediately, but was unable to. So I have no freaking idea what happened.

I think I speak for all when I say..

Maaaa-huh?

[Autumn]

Read a few posts down. I was under the impression either the lawyers immediately knew someone was a Tarq when they died, or we were automatically told.

The story we've been told was corroborated between Ardentus and Swaggus, and so I trust it.

Supposedly the lawyers receive a PM after an execution telling them whether the person was loyal or not.

As far as I know they only receive this notice for executions, but I've never inquired about that.

[Autumn]

Yeah, there was a mistake in communication, not on my part. I tried to correct it immediately, but was unable to. So I have no freaking idea what happened.

If this was just a result of a mix-up in names on PM I'm going to be tempted to fall on my own sword. And it's not even sharpened.

[Peregrine]

Can you explain why you think Neon is a bad guy? You mentioned it earlier and again now.

Well I guess his overall inactivity for starters, with only 13 posts only LSG has fewer posts. Also, when he does post, he tends to pop in and do strange things, like popping in after extensive inactivity to vote to free ITC without any explanation.

Frankly, though, it's difficult to tell who's a traitor and who's just not very involved in the game.

[Mustang]

If this was just a result of a mix-up in names on PM I'm going to be tempted to fall on my own sword. And it's not even sharpened.

Why wouldn't Cronin just address it then instead of Pass? Not sure why Pass would have to correct it?

[Autumn]

Well, I'll wait until morning to see. St.Cronin is gone I believe, having said he'll finish lawsuits in the morning.

[Tyrith]

For the record, I sent my day 2 horse message to BK, who was apparently prevented from sending a reply because of his RL problem. GRR.

[Grammaticus]

For the record, I sent my day 2 horse message to BK, who was apparently prevented from sending a reply because of his RL problem. GRR.

Seriously, you have to be online at end of day to participate?

[Tyrith]

Seriously, you have to be online at end of day to participate?

If you're intending to do stuff then, then it helps if your internet performs as expected.

[Neon_Chaos]

Second best lawyer in town.

Thanks to the guy who sent me the ho's last night. They were scrumptious.

How dare these people acuse me of being a traitor!?

I have always been loyal to the Senate, and I have always been proud to be a part of the Republic! And that alone should be enough to plead for my innocence!

As for my lawyer role...

No pm about ITC being good or not, just the PM about the sex slaves being sent to me.

[Narcizo]

Back from a parent meeting at my son's kindergarden.

Seems to be another seriously sub-par performance by the villagers and I have to take my share of the blame. I was trying to attract a kill attempt yesterday so I put the bodyguard on myself, hoping to catch someone. I feel particularly bad because I was initially going to protect Schmidty. I'm afraid my ego could have cost us the game so I'm really sorry. I'll try to make up for it now but I feel really doubtful of our chances at the moment. The wolves seem to be playing with us at the moment.

[Neon_Chaos]

Hey there Chief Rum. How's it hanging? I see you're lurking. :)

[Narcizo]

I would imagine he's reading the thread rather than lurking.

CR let's make a big effort to coordinate our efforts here. I'm pretty certain that I'm going to be able to be around close to the deadline tomorrow but family stuff might get in the way. So I'll be making an arrest order before I disappear today (Friday :) ) I'll say what that arrest order is but I would like you to state who you are arresting in case I want to change the arrest tomorrow. Does that work?

[Neon_Chaos]

I just want to say that the noisier people are, the easier it is to clutter the thread with baseless talk and redirection.

That being said, i've checked the post-count...

... and am amazed that only Alan T is dead among those with 100+ posts. Either the Tarqs are simply letting the talkative guys talk a lot, or that at least one or two of the top guys in post-count are Tarqs.

Can't decide which is which. :)

[Chief Rum]

Hey there Chief Rum. How's it hanging? I see you're lurking. :)

lol...hi, Neon. :)

[Chief Rum]

I would imagine he's reading the thread rather than lurking.

CR let's make a big effort to coordinate our efforts here. I'm pretty certain that I'm going to be able to be around close to the deadline tomorrow but family stuff might get in the way. So I'll be making an arrest order before I disappear today (Friday :) ) I'll say what that arrest order is but I would like you to state who you are arresting in case I want to change the arrest tomorrow. Does that work?

Well, actually, hoopsguy ended upa s the other consul. I was a distant third, I believe, and Coffee Warlord may have caught me. Also, the deadline is Saturday morning (I believe at 9 a.m. EST, not sure).

I'm working on a theory to determine someone to arrest, but since I didn't egt the consul position, it will only be a suggestion. But I have a good feeling about my theory. More coming soon.

[Narcizo]

Oops. I just seem to be making mistake after mistake. My apologies.

9am EST works very well for me, as it's 3PM for me. That is what I was refering to. I'm very receptive to any theories you have as I have a lot of my own and it will be interesting to see if they match up.

Okay then Hoops. I'll post the person I've put an arrest warrant on. Please post your arrest candidate today in case I want to change my arrest order tomorrow (unless you're going to be around then as well).

[Neon_Chaos]

Hey Peregrine. I'm no Tarq, baby. I'm just chillin' like Kim Jong Il-lin'

How exactly does this scanning this work? All the clutter in the thread is just a jumble in my mind.

[Narcizo]

I just want to say that the noisier people are, the easier it is to clutter the thread with baseless talk and redirection.


Well it's not actually solely the people with big post counts who could be accused of attempted misdirection is it? Some people have been following a very under the radar approach (posting enough not to stand out but not enough to actually contribute a great deal) and still managed to try and direct attention away from anything useful.

[Neon_Chaos]

Well it's not actually solely the people with big post counts who could be accused of attempted misdirection is it? Some people have been following a very under the radar approach (posting enough not to stand out but not enough to actually contribute a great deal) and still managed to try and direct attention away from anything useful.

That's what I hate "analysis". :) Around 45 useless posts that end up answering nothing every hour or so.

[Narcizo]

This is the first game where I'm actually feeling very overwhelmed. I want vote counts, I want to reread the whole thread to try and clarify some things in my head, I want lists of services hired and who has tried to hired services but failed, I want to know the suing tally. But I just don't think any one person has the time to do that. Any help here would be appreciated because we seem to be fighting a losing cause at the moment and we need to start pulling together as a team.

[Neon_Chaos]

Where are you from, Narcizo? :) You seem to be on at the same time that I am... and I'm pretty much half-way around the world from all these guys.

[Narcizo]

That's what I hate "analysis". :) Around 45 useless posts that end up answering nothing every hour or so.

How do you propose we decide who the traitors are? By seeing who hasn't professed loyalty to the Republic - as that seems to be your methodology for clearing yourself.

I'm going to come out and say that I'm very suspicious of you at the moment. If you weren't a lawyer I'd be very likely to arrest you today. As it is I don't think we can afford losing another lawyer at the moment unless there's more to go on. That being said I don't think we can afford to risk having a lawyer who is a wolf either. I would strongly urge whoever has Ardent's services to scan Neon today please.

[Narcizo]

Where are you from, Narcizo? :) You seem to be on at the same time that I am... and I'm pretty much half-way around the world from all these guys.

I live in Sweden. It's the (late) morning to me at the moment.

[Neon_Chaos]

How do you propose we decide who the traitors are? By seeing who hasn't professed loyalty to the Republic - as that seems to be your methodology for clearing yourself.

I'm going to come out and say that I'm very suspicious of you at the moment. If you weren't a lawyer I'd be very likely to arrest you today. As it is I don't think we can afford losing another lawyer at the moment unless there's more to go on. That being said I don't think we can afford to risk having a lawyer who is a wolf either. I would strongly urge whoever has Ardent's services to scan Neon today please.

:rolleyes:

[Neon_Chaos]

I live in Sweden. It's the (late) morning to me at the moment.

Cool. It's 5:00 PM here in lovely Manila.

[Narcizo]

+1?

However I have to admit that the deployment of the rolley-eyes has left my "analysis" in smoking ruins, so I withdraw anything.

Not even a standard "I know I'm good so I welcome someone to clear me"?

[Neon_Chaos]

+1?

However I have to admit that the deployment of the rolley-eyes has left my "analysis" in smoking ruins, so I withdraw anything.

Not even a standard "I know I'm good so I welcome someone to clear me"?

Nope. Not needed.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, here is the game opening wealth list. I have included notes on who is dead and who hired Day One services:

****

The wealthiest men in Rome are:

Bulletus Spongeus-- DEAD (vouched to be good by AE & Schmidty)-- Won service of legionnaire
Dodgus Erchickus-- won service of Ardent
Imus Thecrewus-- DEAD (vouched to be good by AE)--claimed to not bid on any services

The following Senators are known to be extremely wealthy:

Coffeus Yakus Warlordus-- won service of Swaggs
Ironsus Headus-- won service of priests
Lonestarus Girlus-- not too active
Marcus Vaughnus (replaced by Passacaglia)-- not too active
Schmidtyus Schmidtyus-- DEAD (definitely good)

The following Senators are known to be moderately wealthy:

Abeus Anxietus-- won service of horse owner
Antus Meisterus
Autumnus Leavus
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Pathus Twelveus
Peregrinus Barbarus
Snus Dvlus-- DEAD (definitely good)
Westvus Fanus (replaced by Mustang)

The following (remaining) Senators are of ordinary wealth for the Senatorial class:

Alanus Teeus-- DEAD (definitely good)-- won service of horse owner
Ardentus Enthusiastus-- Won service if legionnaire
Chiefus Rumus
Daddyus Torgous
Grammus Atticus
Hoopus Guyus
Kayus Whitus
Narcizus Lispus
Neonus Chaosus
Saldanus Lathumus-- DEAD (unknown)
Swaggus Swaggus-- DEAD (definitely good)
Tyrus Ithus

From hoops, services gired below:

Services won for Day One

Day 1:
Gallus Clarus, ex-legionnaire (Ardent)
Titus Ludius, ex-legionnaire (Bullet)
Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves
Animus Sentus, person rumored to be affiliated with the Priesthood (Ironhead)
Furius Lucius, former warlord of Gaul, enslaved and now freed
Lexus Postus, owner of many horses (Alan)
Blakus Fortunatus, owner of many horses (Anxiety)
Swaggus Swaggus (Coffee)
Ardentus Enthusiastus (Dodgerchick)

*****

Some of this guesswork, but I don't think there is anything above we are assuming too much here. We know where most of the services went. We know wealth is how service hiring is determined. We're fairly certain the ex-warlord is the sword killer, seemingly confirmed now by Coffee Warlord, if we had a doubt. The only dead person we have a real doubt on for allegiance is saldana, and he was too low on the wealth totem pole at the beginning to be likely to win a service anyway.

Someone hired the warlord on Day One, someone who used that warlord to murder Swaggs. A Tarq. It had to be someone with enough wealth to outbid others. It would help us tons if we knew of anyone we can confirm as good as having bid on the warlord and failed on Day One. We can then eliminate everyone below that person as being the Day One sword killer patron (although certainly not as a Tarq).

The top tier is pretty clear. DC said she hired AE. No one has denied this. She hasn't said anything to my knowledge that hasn't checked out.

Bullet and ITC are both almost certainly good, and the only way they aren't is if ardent is bad. I think that's a stretch right now (that ardent is bad), because he would have had to be playing a brilliant game so far to get this far without more suspicion. Plus, Schmidty is guaranteed good (killed by Tarqs), and he confirmed bullet's goodness. Finally, ITC himself stated he didn't bid on any services on Day One (or Day Two or Day Three, way to go). So the sword killer patron is not in the top tier.

In the next tier, Coffee Warlod's hirng of Swaggs was confirmed by st. cronin. Schmidty, as mentioned, is confirmed good. Ironhead has a lot of evidence in his favor for being good, and everything he has said that could be has checked out. That leaves Marc Vaughan and LSG from this tier. LSG posted on Day One and not since. She may have put in an order for the killer and used it and then gone away (for whatever reason), but regardless, she is already under arrest. I think we should throw her off the rock anyway; this possibility she is the sword killer patron is only a further excuse to do it. MV hasn't posted at all, or maybe once, and now he has been replaced by Pass. Pass also stood in for him on Day One. It's possible Pass sent in a bid and kill order for MV. But if MV was a wolf, I believe, he would have been repalced sooner than four days in. My point is, I think LSG and MV are longshots to be the sword kilelr patron (but possible).

That puts us into the next group, and the group I think we need to make our primary focus as being where our sword killer patron is hiding. Anxiety claimed to hire horses and no one denied it. Did he send a message and someone confirmed? I forget. But I believe he hired the horse owner. SnDvls is confirmed good by death at the hands of the Tarqs. And WVU Fan was a consul and didn't do a thing and was replaced. I think it's unlikely he was the sword killer patron from Day One.

That leaves this group: Anthmeister, Autumn, Barkeep, Path12 and Peregrine.

Some of these guys have already been bandied about abit. Barkeep's unfortunate circumstance tonight certainly muddies his waters as well. We have a Tarq in this group, guys, at least one. I almost guarantee it. I think Alan T was extremely fortunate to nab a service in the tier lower than that. He got lucky with that. I doubt greatly the warlord fell past this group.

I have given five (plus Passacaglia if you think he could have put in a kill order for MV on Monday). I would welcome discussion of all five as potential Tarqs. Two of them should be the targets of our arrests. Two others should be the targets of our scans.

[Narcizo]

As other people have suggested I'd like everyone to nominate one person they would lynch today were this a standard game of werewolf. Some sort of explanation would be nice as well. :)

[Chief Rum]

Where are you from, Narcizo? :) You seem to be on at the same time that I am... and I'm pretty much half-way around the world from all these guys.

lol...what a group we late nighters (my time) are, huh? One guy in the Phillipines, one guy in Sweden, and then there's me, the night shift American deep deep in the wee morning hours.

[Neon_Chaos]

I trust noone.

[Neon_Chaos]

lol...what a group we late nighters (my time) are, huh? One guy in the Phillipines, one guy in Sweden, and then there's me, the night shift American deep deep in the wee morning hours.

We rock the thread when noone's watching. :cool:

[Neon_Chaos]

As other people have suggested I'd like everyone to nominate one person they would lynch today were this a standard game of werewolf. Some sort of explanation would be nice as well. :)

I'd lynch you.

But I'd go ahead and say I'd probably vote for hoopsguy or AE, going with my post-count theory.

Of course I could be wrong.

[Chief Rum]

I'd lynch you.

But I'd go ahead and say I'd probably vote for hoopsguy or AE, going with my post-count theory.

Of course I could be wrong.

Few people are actually on my trust list, but hoops and Narcizo are pretty close. ardent has a lot going for him, too. I don't know that arguing for lynching any of those guys works in your favor, certainly not with me.

[Peregrine]

I'm also a night shift person and am also here!

[Neon_Chaos]

Few people are actually on my trust list, but hoops and Narcizo are pretty close. ardent has a lot going for him, too. I don't know that arguing for lynching any of those guys works in your favor, certainly not with me.

:)

[Neon_Chaos]

I'm also a night shift person and am also here!

You stink. I blame you for starting all this Werewolf nonesense. :D

[Chief Rum]

I'm also a night shift person and am also here!

Woot! Night shift rules! :D

I am thinking of running a small WW game where the primary deadlines will be in the wee mornings--just for us night shift folks and people out of the country (and anyone from the daytime who doesn't mind being up in the middle of the night). I wonder if I could get ten people to sign up? :)

[Peregrine]

As for my suspicon, I have stated before (I think) that I did not bid for a service Day 1. I know that in itself is suspicious, but to be honest I hadn't really understood that part of the rules then and didn't bother with it. I did bid for a service (and lost) on Day 2, bid and won on day 3, bid and lost for tomorrow.

[Narcizo]

That leaves this group: Anthmeister, Autumn, Barkeep, Path12 and Peregrine.


Off the bat I'd put Antmeister, Barkeep and Peregrine among the ones I've got suspicious vibes off of. Autumn seems to be doing decent analysis and has come up with some good ideas while Path seems to be playing what I think is his usual game, he hasn't said a lot but what he has said has made sense to me. The way Antmeister has been pushing KWhit seems a bit hinky but then again I'm getting some strange vibes off of KWhit myself, I can't really put my finger on what's up with Barkeep but something isn't right while there was the whole business with Peregrine questioning the logic in arresting people on day one.

I do have a couple of concerns though and that's the fact that Alan and Ardent got services in the lower level. While you might expect to get lucky on the horses (arf!) the fact that the legionnaire also dropped gives me pause for thought. However that's no reason not to follow up on the above 5 first (6 if we include Pass, to be honest). Dunno if they've already said but I'd like to hear who the above people claim to have bid on.

Second I'd really like to follow up on Neon first. If Ardent can confirm him as good then I think that's a solid start. I don't believe Neon will be available to scan today, as no-one will have purchased his services.

[Neon_Chaos]

Second I'd really like to follow up on Neon first. If Ardent can confirm him as good then I think that's a solid start. I don't believe Neon will be available to scan today, as no-one will have purchased his services.

:rolleyes:

Don't waste the scan on me. Seriously.

[Narcizo]

Few people are actually on my trust list, but hoops and Narcizo are pretty close. ardent has a lot going for him, too. I don't know that arguing for lynching any of those guys works in your favor, certainly not with me.

Hoops I agree with (standard disclaimer about him being a sneaky wolf). There's quite a bit bothering me about Ardent at the moment. I'm hoping Neon can be cleared today so that Ardent can cleared tomorrow.

I know I've been making some pretty sweeping generalisations about people I'm not trusting at the moment. I'm going to try and go through and form some sort of list about that.

[Narcizo]

:rolleyes:

Don't waste the scan on me. Seriously.

Ummmm.... Okay then.

Please, please, please someone scan Neon.

[Neon_Chaos]

Ummmm.... Okay then.

Please, please, please someone scan Neon.

The Tarqs are probably loving this exchange. :cool:

[Narcizo]

Frankly this is getting bizarre. I've never heard of anyone being so opposed to being scanned.

[Neon_Chaos]

Hoops I agree with (standard disclaimer about him being a sneaky wolf). There's quite a bit bothering me about Ardent at the moment. I'm hoping Neon can be cleared today so that Ardent can cleared tomorrow.

I know I've been making some pretty sweeping generalisations about people I'm not trusting at the moment. I'm going to try and go through and form some sort of list about that.

Hoops has always been a talkative wolf whenever I see him play.

[Chief Rum]

Hoops I agree with (standard disclaimer about him being a sneaky wolf). There's quite a bit bothering me about Ardent at the moment. I'm hoping Neon can be cleared today so that Ardent can cleared tomorrow.

I know I've been making some pretty sweeping generalisations about people I'm not trusting at the moment. I'm going to try and go through and form some sort of list about that.

I'm not 100% with ardent yet either, but I still lean toward him being good. I don't know that st. cronin even would have assigned any of the opening public roles to wolves anyway. So far, that has proved to be the case, with Schmidty and AlanT certainly good. We will likely discover saldana was good soon, too.

That's no guarantee on ardent (even if wolves were assigned these roles with the same odds as everyone else, the odds based on a traditional villager-to-wolf breakdown would only suggest one of the five was likely a Tarq). But it's something.

I think what concerns me the most there is that he continues to live while other lawyers dead. I suggested that as being a curious thing earlier in the game and something to watch for. Could it be he is a Tarq? Or could it be the wolves are using our own logic against us and leaving ardent alone for the very reason for us to suspect him?

Keep in mind, ardent said bullet was good without knowing Schmidty would get a confirming email. He might have played it cautiously, but I consider that a point in his favor. Ardent could have played immense havoc with things as a Tarq by saying bullet was a Tarq.

Anyway, food for thought. There are a lot of people, including ardent, I would like to see scanned.

[Neon_Chaos]

Frankly this is getting bizarre. I've never heard of anyone being so opposed to being scanned.

A scan on me is a wasted scan. That's all I'm going to say. Jeez.

[Peregrine]

Off the bat I'd put Antmeister, Barkeep and Peregrine among the ones I've got suspicious vibes off of. Autumn seems to be doing decent analysis and has come up with some good ideas while Path seems to be playing what I think is his usual game, he hasn't said a lot but what he has said has made sense to me. The way Antmeister has been pushing KWhit seems a bit hinky but then again I'm getting some strange vibes off of KWhit myself, I can't really put my finger on what's up with Barkeep but something isn't right while there was the whole business with Peregrine questioning the logic in arresting people on day one.


Well I stand by what I said then, but that was Day 1, a lot has changed. At that point we didn't know that the bad guys could even kill people. I was just against the idea of an "automatic" Day 1 lynch with no information. But that's just me, even as a moderator I've always hated that Day 1 lynch. I hate to see someone removed, someone who is almost certainly (in a blind selection) innocent.

[Chief Rum]

A scan on me is a wasted scan. That's all I'm going to say. Jeez.

I disagree. If a scan clears you (or anyone), it's pretty darn useful, ya know. It's a bit odd you would not want to be cleared as a good guy. Sure, a scan of a Tarq would be better (if I make the assumption you are implying about yourself), but a known good guy is almost as good as a known bad guy.

All that said, I don't agree with Narcizo's lawyer scan plan for practical purposes. The fact is that continuously living lawyers are likely to be rare. We would need to bid and win the bodyguards every night to save the same two lawyers, whichw ould always leave open our consuls, the tribune and anyone else who has proven valuable to the Republic (such as the active wealthy like Dodgerchick).

So assuming we don't go to some drastic lawyer protection program, lawyers will continue to die. That means we would have to be continuously scanning new lawyers each day. This seems rather pointless to me.

I do think ardent should be scanned because of his continuing health despite being a high profile target. But I think Neon or any other new lawyer would need to survive a day or two before we start thinking about scanning him (at least for lawyer reasons alone--certainly if other suspicions come up regarding Neon or anyone, that might necessitate a scan).

[Poli]

I have to admit, I'm starting to get a bit suspicious why all the lawyers are getting killed, but AE continues to remain alive. Traitors protecting their own, perhaps.
That's probably exactly what they'd like for you to think as well.

[Poli]

It is a smidge early to go after people for still being alive (in my opinion), but I think it is critical that the person hiring Lawyer #2 (Neon) use them to scan Ardent.
QFT.

[Poli]

AE validated Imus the crewus.

How does the lawyer thing work. Do they get a definate faction scan? At one point Dodgerus Erchicus stated she scanned Alanus with a lawyer, I believe AE and he said that he did not know the outcome. But now he knows the outcome of Imus. How does it work?Got me. DC has now said she's used me as her lawyer twice now. Sadly, it's news to me.

While this game has been fun 90% of the time, part of this lawyer thing coupled with a WVUFan noshow/missed arrests make the game agitating. Now if it turns out that BK is a bad guy and that was the real reason we only had two arrests...and if turns out saldana and wvu/whoever took over for him (mustang?) are as well. At that point, I'd say bravo.

[Poli]

As for my lawyer role...

No pm about ITC being good or not, just the PM about the sex slaves being sent to me.
Really? Wow.

[Poli]

I'm not 100% with ardent yet either, but I still lean toward him being good. I don't know that st. cronin even would have assigned any of the opening public roles to wolves anyway. So far, that has proved to be the case, with Schmidty and AlanT certainly good. We will likely discover saldana was good soon, too.

That's no guarantee on ardent (even if wolves were assigned these roles with the same odds as everyone else, the odds based on a traditional villager-to-wolf breakdown would only suggest one of the five was likely a Tarq). But it's something.

I think what concerns me the most there is that he continues to live while other lawyers dead. I suggested that as being a curious thing earlier in the game and something to watch for. Could it be he is a Tarq? Or could it be the wolves are using our own logic against us and leaving ardent alone for the very reason for us to suspect him?

Keep in mind, ardent said bullet was good without knowing Schmidty would get a confirming email. He might have played it cautiously, but I consider that a point in his favor. Ardent could have played immense havoc with things as a Tarq by saying bullet was a Tarq.

Anyway, food for thought. There are a lot of people, including ardent, I would like to see scanned.
QFT.

[Neon_Chaos]

I do think ardent should be scanned because of his continuing health despite being a high profile target. But I think Neon or any other new lawyer would need to survive a day or two before we start thinking about scanning him (at least for lawyer reasons alone--certainly if other suspicions come up regarding Neon or anyone, that might necessitate a scan).

bada-bing.

[Poli]

So assuming we don't go to some drastic lawyer protection program, lawyers will continue to die. That means we would have to be continuously scanning new lawyers each day. This seems rather pointless to me.

I do think ardent should be scanned because of his continuing health despite being a high profile target. But I think Neon or any other new lawyer would need to survive a day or two before we start thinking about scanning him (at least for lawyer reasons alone--certainly if other suspicions come up regarding Neon or anyone, that might necessitate a scan).:eek: :(

[Poli]

That was intended for the lawyers dieing thing.

[Chief Rum]

That was intended for the lawyers dieing thing.

Well, of course, I certainly don't want good lawyers to die. But you know there are a few people in this game who do.

[Mustang]

A scan on me is a wasted scan. That's all I'm going to say. Jeez.

We understood you the first time. Stop cluttering up the boards....


:p :D

[Poli]

Well, of course, I certainly don't want good lawyers to die. But you know there are a few people in this game who do.
True, and I appreciate your insight and comments through the night, CR. I know you don't fully trust me, but I do appreciate your effort to try and help us win.

[Lorena]

Got me. DC has now said she's used me as her lawyer twice now. Sadly, it's news to me.

Damn straight, you're the best lawyer in town and you're mine AE... MINE! ;)

Alright, I'm not entirely sure where things stand right now but isn't it an odd coincidence that the day I send whores to Ironhead there's only 1 kill? If I remember correctly we've had 2 kills every night except that one... coincidence?

I'll be completely honest, I haven't read the entire thread just bits and pieces of it but this really stands out in my head... has he been scanned and cleared yet?

[Neon_Chaos]

We understood you the first time. Stop cluttering up the boards....


:p :D

Mustang, do you think Narcizo's a Tarq? He won't believe my innocence. :cool:

[Neon_Chaos]

Hey. It's hoops. Jump in whenever you like. :)

[hoopsguy]

As for my suspicon, I have stated before (I think) that I did not bid for a service Day 1. I know that in itself is suspicious, but to be honest I hadn't really understood that part of the rules then and didn't bother with it. I did bid for a service (and lost) on Day 2, bid and won on day 3, bid and lost for tomorrow.

What Day 3 service? The only one I have matched up there so far is Anxiety on Pimpus.

[hoopsguy]

Great, now that I'm caught up on the night developments I'm the only one in the thread.

I like Rum's thoughts on who got the killer on Day 1. As an add-on, I would suggest that once they bought the killer that day it would have been a priority for them on Day 3 when they once again successfully won the bid. So a look at the top of the wealth chain from that day makes sense as well.

Day 3 Wealthiest
Bulletus Spongeus (Dead, confirmed good)
Dodgus Erchickus
Imus Thecrewus (Dead, confirmed good)

The following Senators are known to be extremely wealthy (no change):
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus
Ironsus Headus
Lonestarus Girlus (in jail already)
Marcus Vaughnus (inactive)
Schmidtyus Schmidtyus (Dead, confirmed good)

I'm not convinced we drop down to the third level as Rum did on Day 1. I really think this would have been a priority service for the Tarqs so this is where I'm going to focus my conversation unless some other detail (attorney scans) emerges.

Dodgerchick
Day 1: attorney
Day 2: sex slaves
Day 3: ???

Warlord
Day 1: attorney
Day 2: jailed, no services
Day 3: ???

Ironhead
Day 1: priest
Day 2: killer
Day 3: ???

I know that I advocated earlier that I would rather make a mistake with a poor Roman than a wealthy Roman. But that was also when we were operating with less information. At this point in the game we have content to digest; we beleive we understand how many of the rules operate.

I'm certainly willing to listen to feedback from others, but right now my plan would be to arrest one of these people. With that in mind, I'll try to advertise my final selection early enough so someone with an attorney can use their "scan" on one of the people who will be spending the day in jail. That should allow us to make an informed release/kill decision - something we have not yet been able to do this game.

[Passacaglia]

Okay, here is the game opening wealth list. I have included notes on who is dead and who hired Day One services:

****

The wealthiest men in Rome are:

Bulletus Spongeus-- DEAD (vouched to be good by AE & Schmidty)-- Won service of legionnaire
Dodgus Erchickus-- won service of Ardent
Imus Thecrewus-- DEAD (vouched to be good by AE)--claimed to not bid on any services

The following Senators are known to be extremely wealthy:

Coffeus Yakus Warlordus-- won service of Swaggs
Ironsus Headus-- won service of priests
Lonestarus Girlus-- not too active
Marcus Vaughnus (replaced by Passacaglia)-- not too active
Schmidtyus Schmidtyus-- DEAD (definitely good)

The following Senators are known to be moderately wealthy:

Abeus Anxietus-- won service of horse owner
Antus Meisterus
Autumnus Leavus
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Pathus Twelveus
Peregrinus Barbarus
Snus Dvlus-- DEAD (definitely good)
Westvus Fanus (replaced by Mustang)

The following (remaining) Senators are of ordinary wealth for the Senatorial class:

Alanus Teeus-- DEAD (definitely good)-- won service of horse owner
Ardentus Enthusiastus-- Won service if legionnaire
Chiefus Rumus
Daddyus Torgous
Grammus Atticus
Hoopus Guyus
Kayus Whitus
Narcizus Lispus
Neonus Chaosus
Saldanus Lathumus-- DEAD (unknown)
Swaggus Swaggus-- DEAD (definitely good)
Tyrus Ithus

From hoops, services gired below:

Services won for Day One

Day 1:
Gallus Clarus, ex-legionnaire (Ardent)
Titus Ludius, ex-legionnaire (Bullet)
Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves
Animus Sentus, person rumored to be affiliated with the Priesthood (Ironhead)
Furius Lucius, former warlord of Gaul, enslaved and now freed
Lexus Postus, owner of many horses (Alan)
Blakus Fortunatus, owner of many horses (Anxiety)
Swaggus Swaggus (Coffee)
Ardentus Enthusiastus (Dodgerchick)

*****

Some of this guesswork, but I don't think there is anything above we are assuming too much here. We know where most of the services went. We know wealth is how service hiring is determined. We're fairly certain the ex-warlord is the sword killer, seemingly confirmed now by Coffee Warlord, if we had a doubt. The only dead person we have a real doubt on for allegiance is saldana, and he was too low on the wealth totem pole at the beginning to be likely to win a service anyway.

Someone hired the warlord on Day One, someone who used that warlord to murder Swaggs. A Tarq. It had to be someone with enough wealth to outbid others. It would help us tons if we knew of anyone we can confirm as good as having bid on the warlord and failed on Day One. We can then eliminate everyone below that person as being the Day One sword killer patron (although certainly not as a Tarq).

The top tier is pretty clear. DC said she hired AE. No one has denied this. She hasn't said anything to my knowledge that hasn't checked out.

Bullet and ITC are both almost certainly good, and the only way they aren't is if ardent is bad. I think that's a stretch right now (that ardent is bad), because he would have had to be playing a brilliant game so far to get this far without more suspicion. Plus, Schmidty is guaranteed good (killed by Tarqs), and he confirmed bullet's goodness. Finally, ITC himself stated he didn't bid on any services on Day One (or Day Two or Day Three, way to go). So the sword killer patron is not in the top tier.

In the next tier, Coffee Warlod's hirng of Swaggs was confirmed by st. cronin. Schmidty, as mentioned, is confirmed good. Ironhead has a lot of evidence in his favor for being good, and everything he has said that could be has checked out. That leaves Marc Vaughan and LSG from this tier. LSG posted on Day One and not since. She may have put in an order for the killer and used it and then gone away (for whatever reason), but regardless, she is already under arrest. I think we should throw her off the rock anyway; this possibility she is the sword killer patron is only a further excuse to do it. MV hasn't posted at all, or maybe once, and now he has been replaced by Pass. Pass also stood in for him on Day One. It's possible Pass sent in a bid and kill order for MV. But if MV was a wolf, I believe, he would have been repalced sooner than four days in. My point is, I think LSG and MV are longshots to be the sword kilelr patron (but possible).

That puts us into the next group, and the group I think we need to make our primary focus as being where our sword killer patron is hiding. Anxiety claimed to hire horses and no one denied it. Did he send a message and someone confirmed? I forget. But I believe he hired the horse owner. SnDvls is confirmed good by death at the hands of the Tarqs. And WVU Fan was a consul and didn't do a thing and was replaced. I think it's unlikely he was the sword killer patron from Day One.

That leaves this group: Anthmeister, Autumn, Barkeep, Path12 and Peregrine.

Some of these guys have already been bandied about abit. Barkeep's unfortunate circumstance tonight certainly muddies his waters as well. We have a Tarq in this group, guys, at least one. I almost guarantee it. I think Alan T was extremely fortunate to nab a service in the tier lower than that. He got lucky with that. I doubt greatly the warlord fell past this group.

I have given five (plus Passacaglia if you think he could have put in a kill order for MV on Monday). I would welcome discussion of all five as potential Tarqs. Two of them should be the targets of our arrests. Two others should be the targets of our scans.


Haven't read anything after this, but -- did anyone even die after Day 1? In other words, I didn't put in a kill order.

[hoopsguy]

Also, I realize I'm giving Passacaglia a walk on the Day 3 analysis. If people think that Marc Vaughn was not posting but sent in an order then please voice that opinion as well.

[Peregrine]

What Day 3 service? The only one I have matched up there so far is Anxiety on Pimpus.

I hired Animus Sentus on Day 3.

[hoopsguy]

Dodgerchick, why did you choose to scan Autumn with your attorney yesterday? Was he someone high on your distrust list?

[Passacaglia]

Haven't read anything after this, but -- did anyone even die after Day 1? In other words, I didn't put in a kill order.

Just had a thought on my way to work -- even if no one died after Day 1, I think someone was poisoned after Day 2, so we can't discount the fact that a kill order was made on Day 1. I didn't order one, though.

[Passacaglia]

Also, I realize I'm giving Passacaglia a walk on the Day 3 analysis. If people think that Marc Vaughn was not posting but sent in an order then please voice that opinion as well.

Thanks..I think. I think the most likely scenario is that MV wasn't doing anything -- otherwise why replace him? If that's too much of a meta-game thing, then I take it back.

[Poli]

I can't recall, did we get consul vote results yesterday?

[Passacaglia]

Also, as I said before, I was told that "I" didn't purchase any services while I was Marc Vaughan, so "I" wasn't doing anything on that front. As for kills, I wasn't told that I made any -- probably since it's assumed that loyal Senators don't kill people! :)

[KWhit]

Nice late night analysis, Chief Rum. I tend to agree with you that there is a Tarq from this group: Antmeister, Autumn, Barkeep, Path12 and Peregrine.

I have a pretty good vibe about Autumn. He's had some good insights and seems to be a good guy. I think he's on the up-and-up. I'm not confident enough in that to claim him to be trusted or anything like that, but I feel that it is unlikely for him to be a Tarq.

I have neutral feelings about Path, BK, and Peregrine. Could be good - could be bad.

But Antmeister? I get bad vibes from him. Primarily because of how hard he came after me after the arrest snafu the other night. It seemed that he started to casually try to cast suspicion my way, and when no one took the bait, he became more and more accusatory. I know it's human nature to get defensive when someone comes after you, and maybe that's part of what I'm feeling, but I just feel like he was trying to make me look bad for a reason - I'm very active, was a Consul at the time, have a lot of wealth, and seem to be able to get more wealth pretty much at will. He seemed to want to take advantage of the arrest issue to try to take me down and that gives me a bad feeling about him.

So for right now, I would arrest Antmeister.

[Poli]

Personally, I would arrest path12, and after kwhit's thought process of antmeister, I might arrest antmeister as well.

I sent the horses to someone suggesting I would select barkeep, but I'd relent given his response that he doesn't fake real life obstacles.

[Poli]

Ardent Enthusiast sues Anxiety for being rich.
Ardent Enthusiast sues Dodger Chick for not paying me.
Ardent Enthusiast sues Kwhit because the third time's the charm (though I don't recall suing him two times before, just once).

[Barkeep49]

For the record, I sent my day 2 horse message to BK, who was apparently prevented from sending a reply because of his RL problem. GRR.
For the record I received no day message from Tyrith or from cronin for Tyrith.

[KWhit]

Interesting...

[st.cronin]

Yeah, there was a mistake in communication, not on my part. I tried to correct it immediately, but was unable to. So I have no freaking idea what happened.


This is correct. I made a data entry error, and Pass's bid was entered in the wrong place. I didn't discover this until after pms had gone out, and at that time decided to leave it as is. Whenever I have to make a decision like this, I consider whether it is fair to all parties, and in this case I think it was.

[Poli]

For the record I received no day message from Tyrith or from cronin for Tyrith.
This does stir the pot.

[Narcizo]

Keep in mind, ardent said bullet was good without knowing Schmidty would get a confirming email. He might have played it cautiously, but I consider that a point in his favor. Ardent could have played immense havoc with things as a Tarq by saying bullet was a Tarq.

Anyway, food for thought. There are a lot of people, including ardent, I would like to see scanned.

To explain why I've got a bad feeling about Ardent - I keep coming back to the kill on Swaggs on day two before the real importance of lawyers was (widely?) known. At the time my thoughts were that the pimps or the priest would be providing seer-like services, certainly not the lawyers. It now turns out that lawyers are very important/crucial in the game (a seer-role who can also read allegiance when someone dies). If Ardent were bad might he not presume that the top lawyer in Rome is always going to supercede him and, potentially, expose him. Or that Ardent potentially was given more information about his role then Swaggs got. There's also his, well, post-boosting, for want of a better word. He's posted an awful lot but has he actually said anything of note? With regards to bullet I don't see it as a huge mark in his favour. He might also be aware that lawyers get info about the killed person and suspect that the replacement lawyer would also get the info. I think it would be pretty risky for him to say that bullet was a bad guy.

So basically that's why I'm not very trusting of Ardent at the moment. On the other hand I think we can remove the question of his continued survival having any meaning beyond this point. It's likely that the bad guys will let him live from now on to increase suspicion of him. So me pointing that out might cost him his life. Sorry if that's the case.

[Narcizo]

Personally, I would arrest path12, and after kwhit's thought process of antmeister, I might arrest antmeister as well.

I sent the horses to someone suggesting I would select barkeep, but I'd relent given his response that he doesn't fake real life obstacles.

Why would you arrest path?

And I'm afraid I don't really understand what you're saying about the horses. Probably just me being stupid though.

[Poli]

Not really, Narc. I actually just assumed when bullet died that he had somehow hired me...that I was looking after his will or something. I did not, in fact, expect to have someone come in and authenticate my announcement.

[Passacaglia]

This is correct. I made a data entry error, and Pass's bid was entered in the wrong place. I didn't discover this until after pms had gone out, and at that time decided to leave it as is. Whenever I have to make a decision like this, I consider whether it is fair to all parties, and in this case I think it was.

Thanks for getting my back.

Anyway, my vote for who to arrest would be Neon Chaos. I don't see why we shouldn't scan both lawyers, to make sure they're on the up-and up, especially the one that doesn't want to be scanned.

[Poli]

Narc, as for why path: Here's better than just a 38 post guy. At least, my memory tells me he is. I can't recall reading anything he's posted, honestly. I could see path setting up the game as it has gone so far...I could see a number of players doing so, honestly. But Path has been quiet and I'd like to hear more from him.

The horse guy is who I bid on, and won, yesterday...meaning I can communicate with one person today. It's not entirely useful, but I'm sure the person reading the message understands it.

[KWhit]

I am also suspicious of Ardent and Neon and would have no problems if one of them were arrested as well.

[Coffee Warlord]

Warlord
Day 1: attorney
Day 2: jailed, no services
Day 3: ???


Day 3 was Furius, I bid on Schmidty last night, and we all know how that went.

[st.cronin]

Note for the Consuls: You may not issue arrest warrants for a Consul or Tribune. The Consuls are Hoopus Guyus and Narcizus Lispus. The Tribune is Antus Meisterus.

[Passacaglia]

Can lawyers do their job while in jail?

[st.cronin]

Can lawyers do their job while in jail?

There is one way to find out.

[Poli]

I am also suspicious of Ardent and Neon and would have no problems if one of them were arrested as well.
By all means, have me arrested. I'm not scared. I'm one of the good guys.

[Poli]

There is one way to find out.
Can I defend myself?

[Poli]

Can I volunteer for jail?

[Poli]

Note for the Consuls: You may not issue arrest warrants for a Consul or Tribune. The Consuls are Hoopus Guyus and Narcizus Lispus. The Tribune is Antus Meisterus.
Well, there goes that.

[Poli]

I know hoops is a consul, who got the other spot?

[Passacaglia]

Dude, look at the post you just quoted.

[Poli]

Doh. :) Wasn't thinking about the consuls when I quoted, actually breezed right by it. I went to the name antmeister...and realized that we couldn't jail him.

Narc, by all means, jail me. Let's roll those dice.

[Narcizo]

:D

[Poli]

Seriously, let's have at it.

[Neon_Chaos]

Can I defend myself?

Same question here. I'm loyal to the Senate, but when it comes to blows, I'm looking to stay alive.

[Narcizo]

I don't want to jail you Ardent. I want the lawyers out there doing some good. If I was going to jail a lawyer it would be Neon who isn't going to provide anything today anyway.

[Barkeep49]

I'm really struggling with why Tyrith would lie about sending me a message. Really struggling.

[Poli]

Actually, Neon, I meant in court. Can I defend myself in court. Not sure if that's how it came across.

[Poli]

I'm really struggling with why Tyrith would lie about sending me a message. Really struggling.
Miscommunication?

[Passacaglia]

Seriously, let's have at it.

Watch out, Narc. When AE gets his masochism going, he'll hound you for your entire term as Consul, until you throw him in jail. ;)

[Poli]

I don't want to jail you Ardent. I want the lawyers out there doing some good. If I was going to jail a lawyer it would be Neon who isn't going to provide anything today anyway.
So be it. I won't be opposed to going, if that's what needs to happen.

I'm not sure how me going to jail proves that I'm guilty or innocent, but if it's what the masses want, it's what the masses get.

[Passacaglia]

Miscommunication?

It's possible. It wouldn't be the only time it happened that night.

[Mustang]

Dodgerchick, why did you choose to scan Autumn with your attorney yesterday? Was he someone high on your distrust list?

Where did I miss this information?

What was the result of the scan (post # possibly)

[Poli]

Ardentus Enthusiastus has decided to sue everyone...in hopes that me being the lawyer that I am that perhaps I can get more information from the suing of people.

Coffeeus Yakus Warlordus
Ironus Headus
Passus Caglius
Pathus Twelvus
Peregrineus Barbarus
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Autumnus Leavus
Antus Meisterus
Chiefus Rumus
Narcizus Lispus
Lonestarus Girlus
Daddyus Torgous
Grammus Atticus
Hoopus Guyus
Mustangus Sallus
Neonus Chaosus
Tyrus Ithus

[KWhit]

One last note: I do not have the list of suits that will be heard on day V ready yet. I will put that up in the morning. Apologies for the inconvenience.

Did you ever post this?

[Poli]

Note: of the suits I've filed so far, I haven't had any information. Just trying this out for size.

[Poli]

It's possible. It wouldn't be the only time it happened that night.
You got it.

[Neon_Chaos]

Actually, Neon, I meant in court. Can I defend myself in court. Not sure if that's how it came across.

That's what I meant as well.

[Poli]

That's what I meant as well.
Gotcha, didn't want our trans-pacific mojos conflicting.

[Neon_Chaos]

I'm out. Have to go home and sleeeeeep.

*vanish*

[Poli]

Cronin is going to regret having me in this game. I've probably sent him more PMs than I've posted publically in this thread.

[Barkeep49]

Miscommunication?
If so it's on Tyrith's end as cronin confirmed he's got no record of the message.

[Poli]

Ooh. That's bad. Tyrith is on the block then.

I need to close this window out, or I'll never get any studying done. BTW, got my first real non-Navy paycheck today! Woot!

[st.cronin]

Did you ever post this?

The following lawsuits will be heard today:

CHIEFUS RUMUS SUES PEREGRINUS BARBARUS
CHIEFUS RUMUS SUES DADDYUS TORGOUS
CHIEFUS RUMUS SUES MUSTANGUS SALLUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES Antus Meisterus
KAYUS WHITUS SUES Autumnus Leavus
KAYUS WHITUS SUES Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
KAYUS WHITUS SUES Narcizus Lispus
KAYUS WHITUS SUES Pathus Twelveus
KAYUS WHITUS SUES Peregrinus Barbarus
Dodgus Erickus sues Lonestarus Girlus
Pathus Twelvus sues Autumnus Leavus
Pathus Twelvus sues Tyrus Ithus
Pathus Twelvus sues Chiefus Rumus
CHIEFUS RUMUS SUES DODGUS ERChICKUS
CHIEFUS RUMUS SUES NARCIZUS LISPIS
GRAMMATICUS ATTICUS SUES Lonstarus Girlus
Peregrinus sues Grammaticus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Perigrinus
Mustang Salleous sues Ironsus Headus
Antus Meisterus sues Lonestarus Girlus
Antus Meisterus sues Coffeus Stainus Warlordus
Narcizo sues Lonestargirl
Narcizo sues Passus Caglius
Narcizo sues NeonChaos
AUTUMNUS SUES PASSUS CAGLIUS
AUTUMNUS SUES LONESTARUS GIRLUS
HOOPUS GUYUS SUES NARCIZUS LISPUS



The following lawsuits will be heard when the courts find time:

Dodgus Erickus sues Ironsus Headus
Dodgus Erickus sues Tyrus Ithus
Dodgus Erickus sues Antus Meisterus
Dodgus Erickus sues Passus Caglius
Dodgus Erickus sues Coffeus Yakus Warlordus
Dodgus Erickus sues Narcizus Lispus
Dodgus Erickus sues Autumnus Leavus
Dodgus Erickus sues Chiefus Rumus
Dodgus Erickus sues Peregrinus Barbarus
Dodgus Erickus sues Grammus Atticus
Mustang Salleous sues Lonestarus Girlus
Mustang Salleous sues Abeus Anxietus
Mustang Salleous sues Autumnus Leavus
Mustang Salleous sues Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Mustang Salleous sues Kayus Whitus
Mustang Salleous sues Narcizus Lispus
GRAMMATICUS ATTICUS SUES Passus Caglius
GRAMMATICUS ATTICUS SUES Mustangus
GRAMMATICUS ATTICUS SUES Neonus Chaosus
GRAMMATICUS ATTICUS SUES Antmeisterus
GRAMMATICUS ATTICUS SUES Dodgerus Erchickus
GRAMMATICUS ATTICUS SUES Ironus Headus

[Passacaglia]

Grats, AE.

I guess I'd like to hear from Tyrith, too, obvoiusly.

[Narcizo]

So which is it Ardent? Do you want to submit to the will of the majority or to the will of the majority + 3?

[Narcizo]

I've got a bunch of lawsuits out there as well, I presume they come after the ones listed.

[Passacaglia]

Narc -- since you seem to be more on top of this game, I'll ask you this:

I'm in agreement with the idea of jailing the lawyers, and checking them out. I know how you can jail them, but -- how do you plan to check them out? Are we going to have someone hire AE to check out NC? If so, what if both are evil? Or is there another way?

[Mustang]

Ardentus Enthusiastus has decided to sue everyone...in hopes that me being the lawyer that I am that perhaps I can get more information from the suing of people.

Coffeeus Yakus Warlordus
Ironus Headus
Passus Caglius
Pathus Twelvus
Peregrineus Barbarus
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Autumnus Leavus
Antus Meisterus
Chiefus Rumus
Narcizus Lispus
Lonestarus Girlus
Daddyus Torgous
Grammus Atticus
Hoopus Guyus
Mustangus Sallus
Neonus Chaosus
Tyrus Ithus

If lawsuits could expose a traitor, would a traitor really want to do alot of lawsuits? They need to expand their wealth (unless they are wealthy already) but, at a risk of exposure so, if someone is in the middle or low on the wealth chain with alot of lawsuits, I would tend to lean more towards them not being a Tarq. I'd more target those people in the middle that have done a few lawsuits but, haven't gone overboard (risk/reward... maybe they don't want to push their luck but, they have to do something)

[Poli]

So which is it Ardent? Do you want to submit to the will of the majority or to the will of the majority + 3?
If there a reasonable faction of people wanting me jailed, then do it. That's all I'm saying.

[Mustang]

By the way.. not saying AE is or isn't a Tarq.. his post just made me think.

[Narcizo]

Um... I'm not planning on jailing the lawyers. The plan would be to check them out and then jail them if necessary.

I'm currently considering what we would do if they're both evil. But to be honest I think that we're screwed if that's the case so it doesn't really matter.

[Poli]

If lawsuits could expose a traitor, would a traitor really want to do alot of lawsuits? They need to expand their wealth (unless they are wealthy already) but, at a risk of exposure so, if someone is in the middle or low on the wealth chain with alot of lawsuits, I would tend to lean more towards them not being a Tarq. I'd more target those people in the middle that have done a few lawsuits but, haven't gone overboard (risk/reward... maybe they don't want to push their luck but, they have to do something)
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.

[Poli]

Since antmeister isn't an option, then, I'd choose to jail Tyrith.

[Passacaglia]

If lawsuits could expose a traitor, would a traitor really want to do alot of lawsuits? They need to expand their wealth (unless they are wealthy already) but, at a risk of exposure so, if someone is in the middle or low on the wealth chain with alot of lawsuits, I would tend to lean more towards them not being a Tarq. I'd more target those people in the middle that have done a few lawsuits but, haven't gone overboard (risk/reward... maybe they don't want to push their luck but, they have to do something)

I had that thought as well, and considered sending out a bunch of suits as well to spot more traitors. But then I thought it seems like everyone is suing everyone else well enough, and I don't need to mess around with all that. But a thought just now occured to me. Since Dodgerus Chickus is the richest, no one has sued her, assuming she will hire the best lawyer.

PASSUS CAGLIUS SUES DODGERUS CHICKUS

Let's see what happens.

[Passacaglia]

Um... I'm not planning on jailing the lawyers. The plan would be to check them out and then jail them if necessary.

I'm currently considering what we would do if they're both evil. But to be honest I think that we're screwed if that's the case so it doesn't really matter.

Why so much precaution about simply jailing? If we jail them, maybe we can check them out without their interference.

[Mustang]

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.

If you sue somebody and lose, there may be negative consequences. There is also a small chance that evidence of treason may come out.

Therefore, if you are a Tarq in the middle or lower levels, you want to and need to gain wealth but, you aren't going to want to sue everybody. Having alot of lawsuits out there increases your chances so you would want to do a few but, not go overboard. If you were at the top of the wealth chain, you wouldn't probably do any really (good or bad though).

[Poli]

I had that thought as well, and considered sending out a bunch of suits as well to spot more traitors. But then I thought it seems like everyone is suing everyone else well enough, and I don't need to mess around with all that. But a thought just now occured to me. Since Dodgerus Chickus is the richest, no one has sued her, assuming she will hire the best lawyer.

PASSUS CAGLIUS SUES DODGERUS CHICKUS

Let's see what happens.
Apparently she has at least twice.

[Passacaglia]

Well, the answer to who got Macro will come into play tomorrow, not with the results we just saw.

My hope is that no one below me bid on Macro, thinking that I was going to win it.

[Mustang]

By the way, we can't arrest the Tribunal or Consul but, if people have that strong of an opinion on one of the members and want them arrested, if a loyalist has the potential services of a killer, couldn't we just make a public plea to have one of the Tribunal or Consul members potentially killed?

[Poli]

If you sue somebody and lose, there may be negative consequences. There is also a small chance that evidence of treason may come out.

Therefore, if you are a Tarq in the middle or lower levels, you want to and need to gain wealth but, you aren't going to want to sue everybody. Having alot of lawsuits out there increases your chances so you would want to do a few but, not go overboard. If you were at the top of the wealth chain, you wouldn't probably do any really (good or bad though).
Ah, I get it now.

[Passacaglia]

Apparently she has at least twice.

Oh, well. I guess I thought she hadn't, since she kept hiring the best lawyer, and there was never any public record of that hire. I don't remember all the details, and I couldn't find the post where it had everyone's legal win-loss record -- but I did notice that when you claimed to sue everyone, you left her out! :)

[Poli]

Nope, I got the top 3 elsewhere. :)

[Passacaglia]

By the way, we can't arrest the Tribunal or Consul but, if people have that strong of an opinion on one of the members and want them arrested, if a loyalist has the potential services of a killer, couldn't we just make a public plea to have one of the Tribunal or Consul members potentially killed?

Yes, but I think there is nowhere near enough suspicion to kill a Tribunal or Consul outright at this point, and besides, given the events of last night, it is extremely unlikely that a loyalist has Macro.

That is a Tarqing post.

[Mustang]

My hope is that no one below me bid on Macro, thinking that I was going to win it.

Why wouldn't you hope that someone that is a loyalist would have potentially won the services of Macro?

[Passacaglia]

Why wouldn't you hope that someone that is a loyalist would have potentially won the services of Macro?

My assumption is that anyone else who bid on Macro is a Tarq.

[Passacaglia]

Nope, I got the top 3 elsewhere. :)

See that now. Less than an hour ago. Today is not my day.

[Mustang]

Yes, but I think there is nowhere near enough suspicion to kill a Tribunal or Consul outright at this point, and besides, given the events of last night, it is extremely unlikely that a loyalist has Macro.

That is a Tarqing post.

Already had 2 people suggest Ant to be arrested and it is early. If 10 people want to arrest Ant obviously there is suspicion there beyond me.

Obviously not talking about killing a tribunal or consul member if only one or two people have suspicions. Talking about a group as a whole.

[Autumn]

The following lawsuits will be heard today:

CHIEFUS RUMUS SUES PEREGRINUS BARBARUS
etc
etc


St.Cronin, I had sent in a few suits that I don't see on this list. I don't know if they were missed or got bumped somehow.

[Autumn]

Narc -- since you seem to be more on top of this game, I'll ask you this:

I'm in agreement with the idea of jailing the lawyers, and checking them out. I know how you can jail them, but -- how do you plan to check them out? Are we going to have someone hire AE to check out NC? If so, what if both are evil? Or is there another way?

It seems that the ability to use the lawyers to scan somebody is out of the control, or knowledge of the lawyers. So, in other words I don't think we have to worry about them lying.

[Passacaglia]

That assumes that a loyalist has Macro, which I don't believe to be the case. It feels like you're trying to get someone to have Macro kill a loyal Senator, and play it off like it was a loyalist move. I have some suspicion of Ant as well -- just not that much.

[st.cronin]

St.Cronin, I had sent in a few suits that I don't see on this list. I don't know if they were missed or got bumped somehow.

To all: If you have lawsuits not listed please point me to the post number and I'll add them. I know I have already added a few back in that somehow didn't get cut n pasted right.

[Autumn]

Yes, but I think there is nowhere near enough suspicion to kill a Tribunal or Consul outright at this point, and besides, given the events of last night, it is extremely unlikely that a loyalist has Macro.

That is a Tarqing post.

I actually feel very certain about Antmeisterus being a traitor. Given that he has managed to get bumped up to Tribune, I am willing to discuss him being killed. Keep in mind that is our only means to remove. Keep also in mind that I blieve the Tribune has the ability to cancel an execution. Given the fact that we have yet to kill any traitors, a free pass for the traitors is extremely dangerous.

If Neonus Chaosus is also a traitor, we are in a tough spot. The fact that he says he received no PM about IMus Thecrewus suggests that either he or AE are liars. I have a better feeling about Ardentus, but would like more evidence on both of them.

[Narcizo]

I'm very interested in hearing what Tyrith has to say at the moment. It seems odd that anyone is going to lie about something as trivial as sending a message. I'm going to have a look back at the context to see what was going on there as it's not something I even remember.

[Poli]

It seems that the ability to use the lawyers to scan somebody is out of the control, or knowledge of the lawyers. So, in other words I don't think we have to worry about them lying.
Good point.

I would at least like to hear from Cronin that I've been hired by so and so to look into so and so. That way at least I have something to go on.

[hoopsguy]

Narcizo, another option we have is to jail Barkeep and Tyrith and hope that we are able to sort this mess out between them with attorney scans today.

[Passacaglia]

It seems that the ability to use the lawyers to scan somebody is out of the control, or knowledge of the lawyers. So, in other words I don't think we have to worry about them lying.

Yes, but the message the lawyers receive when someone dies goes directly to them. Not as big of a deal, since the person in question is dead, but if we're talking about voting patterns, it might be useful. However, I can see problems with jailing the lawyers as well, if the info we get from them is definitely true (however, we need to be wary of who hires the lawyer as well).

[Poli]

I actually feel very certain about Antmeisterus being a traitor. Given that he has managed to get bumped up to Tribune, I am willing to discuss him being killed. Keep in mind that is our only means to remove. Keep also in mind that I blieve the Tribune has the ability to cancel an execution. Given the fact that we have yet to kill any traitors, a free pass for the traitors is extremely dangerous.

If Neonus Chaosus is also a traitor, we are in a tough spot. The fact that he says he received no PM about IMus Thecrewus suggests that either he or AE are liars. I have a better feeling about Ardentus, but would like more evidence on both of them.
Just thinking out loud...I need to look at when Schmidty took over for Swaggs to see how long Schmidty was on the job.

[Narcizo]

Narcizo, another option we have is to jail Barkeep and Tyrith and hope that we are able to sort this mess out between them with attorney scans today.

From what I can see we've only got a maximum of one scan today.

[Passacaglia]

Narcizo, another option we have is to jail Barkeep and Tyrith and hope that we are able to sort this mess out between them with attorney scans today.

This is a pretty good idea, but I'm inclined to trust barkeep without worrying about it too much. If he was really tarqing around with his inabilit to arrest anyone, I don't think he would go off on KWhit like that. Then again, I don't think I've played with him all that much.

[Mustang]

My hope is that no one below me bid on Macro, thinking that I was going to win it.

By the way, if you were a loyalist, why would the Tarqs sit back and allow you a guaranteed win for a potential killer?

Either -

A. You're a Tarq.

B. The Tarq's are hoping someone came to this conclusion to set you up.

[Narcizo]

It seems that the ability to use the lawyers to scan somebody is out of the control, or knowledge of the lawyers. So, in other words I don't think we have to worry about them lying.

I'm not sure that this is necessarily the case. It seems logical that the lawyers would be allowed to decide what they report.

[Passacaglia]

I'm not sure that this is necessarily the case. It seems logical that the lawyers would be allowed to decide what they report.

I know we're losing lawyers at a pretty fast rate, but you'd think that if that were the case, one of the loyalist lawyers would have mentioned it.

[Autumn]

From what I can see we've only got a maximum of one scan today.

Does a hiring of Schmidtyus not pass on to Neonus? I assume so, but don't know if anyone is sure of that. Another good reason for the traitors to keep killing lawyers.

Keep in mind also that jailing someone at least keeps them from bidding for a service. So it makes sense to jail someone we suspect with enough wealth to do damage. I think they still get to use the service they have already hired before they go to jail though.

[Passacaglia]

By the way, if you were a loyalist, why would the Tarqs sit back and allow you a guaranteed win for a potential killer?

Either -

A. You're a Tarq.

B. The Tarq's are hoping someone came to this conclusion to set you up.

Because at the time, I was the second richest Senator in Rome. There was only one Senator who could have outbid me.

[Autumn]

I'm not sure that this is necessarily the case. It seems logical that the lawyers would be allowed to decide what they report.

If so, Ardentus and Swaggus would both have to be liars, I believe.