Werewolf XLV - ROME! (Game over, post 3425)

[Chief Rum]

Not sure if we can get things going for the new plan today, but here goes (suggested bids after name):

The following are the wealthiest men in Rome:

Ardentus Enthusiastus--sex slaves
Kayus Whitus--sword killer


The following Romans are extremely wealthy:

Abeus Anxietus--a bodyguard
Passus Caglius--the philosopher
Pathus Twelveus--narcizo lawyer

The following Romans are of moderate wealth:

Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus--sword killer
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus--bodyguard
Grammus Atticus--ardent lawyer (in case Narc doesn't get back to see this before deadline)
Ironus Headus--sex slaves
Narcizus Lispus--ardent lawyer

The following remaining Romans are of normal wealth:

Autumnus Leavus--philosopher
Chiefus Rumus--narcizo lawyer
Chubbus Chubbus
Daddus Torgous--bodyguard
Mustangus Sallus
Tyrus Ithus--sword killer

I don't think Chubby or Mustang will check in, but if they do, they can announce whomever they want to bid on and bid them.

[Passacaglia]

Are you sure about asking KWhit to bid on the killer, CR?

[Mustang]

I don't think Chubby or Mustang will check in, but if they do, they can announce whomever they want to bid on and bid them.

Don't even remotely compare my activity to Chubby.

[Abe Sargent]

As en enjailed person, I cannot bid for services, CR

[Autumn]

I'd like to know who beat me for Tititus last night.

There seems to be a lot of missing info, all through the game on who got what. We've focused a lot of attention on the wealthy who may have been grabbing things. But I'm also getting suspicious of anyone who I don't have a service bid history on, or who says they haven't bid on anything. Some of those people must have been secretly bidding for the hidden services.

[Autumn]

My comments? Basically, you're being an idiot. I cannot fathom how the line of 'logic' winds up with this 99999% certainty I'm a bad guy.

When you DO lynch me, and please do, 'cause pretty much noone has listened to me the entire bloody game, I invite everyone to read and COMPREHEND everything I've posted. Not one word the entire game has been untrue.

Not exactly the defense I was hoping to see.

[Abe Sargent]

How long are we going to lynch good guys while the silent Chubby continues to be so vastly UTR that no one remembers he's even in teh game? After today, when you see I'm a goodie, look at AE and look at Chubby.

[path12]

One thing that troubles me about the plan at this point is the fact that I'm losing trust in Ardent quickly, if for no other reason than he is still alive in a role that has had, shall we say.......turnover. I'm by no means comfortable with him bidding on the slaves and possibly blocking a consul or bodyguard or worse.

I don't have so much of a problem with KWhit getting the swordsman just because he has been cleared twice.

The other issue is that I'm not certain we're really getting any valuable information out of the bids we've made the last couple days, have we?

That said, I will go along with the consensus on this. But I had to get my doubts out there.

[Grammaticus]

I will place my bid on Ardentus.

[Coffee Warlord]

Not exactly the defense I was hoping to see.

Pretty much all you're going to get. I stand by my posts. There's not much I can do about people inventing wild conspiracy theories that magically call me a bad guy. You either believe me or you don't, I haven't been remotely subtle all game.

[Grammaticus]

How long are we going to lynch good guys while the silent Chubby continues to be so vastly UTR that no one remembers he's even in teh game? After today, when you see I'm a goodie, look at AE and look at Chubby.

I don't mind so much lynching chubby. It would actually be bad if he just all of the sudden showed up and started playing this far into the game and we have no record to review.

But, It does not appear that you have really supported our efforts to take away hiding room from the Tarqs. Although neither has Kwhit or Ardent for that matter.

[Autumn]

Vote Execute Anxiety

Torgo still needs to be arrested and executed tomorrow, but frankly, I think we've jailed two Tarqs. 'Course, since noone trusts me, obviously they are both good and will be allowed to live now.

Let those who have faith in me freakin' arrest AE already. All...zero of you.

Well, I've got a lot of suspicion about you myself, but I have to say I agree with you here. It makes me question myself a little, since I doubt a traitor would throw other traitors to the wolves. DT and AE are worrisome to me, especially given the position of power AE has. I wish we could issue two execution orders, as I'm sure of Anxietus, and I'm suspicious enough of DT to take a chance on him. This is the first time we've had someone jailed that I thought we had real suspicions of rather than just taking a wild chance.

[Tyrith]

How long are we going to lynch good guys while the silent Chubby continues to be so vastly UTR that no one remembers he's even in teh game? After today, when you see I'm a goodie, look at AE and look at Chubby.

I don't think Chubby is UTR, I think he's probably lying on the floor half dead or something at this point.

[Coffee Warlord]

Well, I've got a lot of suspicion about you myself, but I have to say I agree with you here. It makes me question myself a little, since I doubt a traitor would throw other traitors to the wolves. DT and AE are worrisome to me, especially given the position of power AE has. I wish we could issue two execution orders, as I'm sure of Anxietus, and I'm suspicious enough of DT to take a chance on him. This is the first time we've had someone jailed that I thought we had real suspicions of rather than just taking a wild chance.

And I've been screaming about them (DT and AE)...pretty much the whole game now. AE since the end of the first day, and DT not long after.

And I'm still under heavy suspicion.

See the problem I'm having here?

[Autumn]

How long are we going to lynch good guys while the silent Chubby continues to be so vastly UTR that no one remembers he's even in teh game? After today, when you see I'm a goodie, look at AE and look at Chubby.

Well, I feel like we've tried the "lynch the UTR folks" thing over and over, and eihter been burned, or lied to. I'd say it's time to start arresting people for actual suspicious actions. I haven't found any reason to bother looking at Chubbus myself, but Ardentus does have a reason to be examined, particularly since I'm not sure we'll be able to scan him. The second lawyer keeps getting killed.

[Tyrith]

And I've been screaming about them (DT and AE)...pretty much the whole game now. AE since the end of the first day, and DT not long after.

And I'm still under heavy suspicion.

See the problem I'm having here?

What, we're supposed to just follow whatever you say? Then what would you be saying about us if you were wrong -- oh, I was just screaming my conjecture, I didn't have any actual evidence? Believe it or not, your word is not going to be good in and of itself here. It's enough you didn't get killed on day 2.

[Coffee Warlord]

What, we're supposed to just follow whatever you say? Then what would you be saying about us if you were wrong -- oh, I was just screaming my conjecture, I didn't have any actual evidence? Believe it or not, your word is not going to be good in and of itself here. It's enough you didn't get killed on day 2.

As opposed to some insane chain of "logic" that because I said I didn't get the sword guy when I bid as requested two days ago, I must be lying, and therefore a traitor?

As opposed to any freakin' evidence anyone has had this entire game? (Read: None)

Hell, I HAD a minor bit of evidence against AE when our very first lawyer bought it, and was utterly and completely ignored. Now we've watched every lawyer but him bite it time and time again, and somehow I'm still the bad guy.

[Autumn]

I'm not sure who to vote as consul. Narcizo would be my first choice, as he's maintained my trust, but he's out of the running. Chief Rum is getting a lot of votes. I'd be inclined to pick someone out of my neutral list, maybe Grammaticus, Mustangus. Anyone have a current vote count?

[Autumn]

Has Ironus Headus indicated when he'll be in today? I'm wanting to hear his arrest list.

[Autumn]

Actually looking through the posts Tyrithus seems to have a similar sense on the suspects as I do, and while quiet his posts have been on target I think. So, I will:

ELECT TYRITHUS TO CONSUL

[Barkeep49]

I see no further developments for the day. I'm likely out until after lynch, though I hope to check in briefly before I have baseball or after the baseball game (thoguh I might not be home from that until after lynch).

[Narcizo]

Coffee you question my line of reasoning and yet you expect us to believe that you would assassainate someone on a hunch? At least you're getting a trial this way. Which is a whole lot more than saldana got.

I've got to go to bed.

Vote Passa for consul

I have him high up my trust list. He seems to have talked sense and been open. Oh okay, he placed a BG on me is what it is. :) I would have voted Autumn or Ironhead but that's not a possibility here.

[Mustang]

At this point, I would be the 3rd layer of any bid I believe. I will place a bid on the slaves.

[Grammaticus]

I'm not sure of the best choice between the jailed. But I think I have a little more trust for DT at this point.

Vote to throw Abeus Anxietus to the rock

[Grammaticus]

I'm not sure of the best choice between the jailed. But I think I have a little more trust for DT at this point.

Vote to throw Abeus Anxietus to the rock

[Grammaticus]

Sorry for the double post, but my system hung up on me.

[Grammaticus]

Wait, is Abeeus the one that sent the sex slaves to Ardent?

[Tyrith]

Wait, is Abeeus the one that sent the sex slaves to Ardent?

Yeah.

[Grammaticus]

Here is what I have as commited so far:

The following are the wealthiest men in Rome:

Ardentus Enthusiastus--sex slaves
Kayus Whitus--sword killer


The following Romans are extremely wealthy:

Abeus Anxietus--a bodyguard - cannot bid (jailed)
Passus Caglius--the philosopher
Pathus Twelveus--narcizo lawyer - said he would go with consensus

The following Romans are of moderate wealth:

Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus--sword killer
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus--bodyguard
Grammus Atticus--ardent lawyer (in case Narc doesn't get back to see this before deadline) - Agreed
Ironus Headus--sex slaves
Narcizus Lispus--ardent lawyer

The following remaining Romans are of normal wealth:

Autumnus Leavus--philosopher
Chiefus Rumus--narcizo lawyer
Chubbus Chubbus
Daddus Torgous--bodyguard
Mustangus Sallus - indicated he placed a bid on the slaves
Tyrus Ithus--sword killer

Not an overwhelming list of support so far, but there are still four hours to go.

[Grammaticus]

Yeah.

That makes me wonder then. With absolutely no kills while Ardent was blocked with the sex slaves, it could be an issue to give more weight.

[Autumn]

That makes me wonder then. With absolutely no kills while Ardent was blocked with the sex slaves, it could be an issue to give more weight.

Yeah, with both kills missing it does make one wonder.

[Autumn]

I will bid for the philosopher, as per Chiefus Rumus's plan.

[Grammaticus]

Here is what I have as commited so far:

The following are the wealthiest men in Rome:

Ardentus Enthusiastus--sex slaves
Kayus Whitus--sword killer


The following Romans are extremely wealthy:

Abeus Anxietus--a bodyguard - cannot bid (jailed)
Passus Caglius--the philosopher
Pathus Twelveus--narcizo lawyer - said he would go with consensus

The following Romans are of moderate wealth:

Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus--sword killer
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus--bodyguard
Grammus Atticus--ardent lawyer (in case Narc doesn't get back to see this before deadline) - Agreed
Ironus Headus--sex slaves
Narcizus Lispus--ardent lawyer

The following remaining Romans are of normal wealth:

Autumnus Leavus--philosopher - agreed
Chiefus Rumus--narcizo lawyer - asuming agreed
Chubbus Chubbus
Daddus Torgous--bodyguard
Mustangus Sallus - indicated he placed a bid on the slaves
Tyrus Ithus--sword killer

Not an overwhelming list of support so far, but there are still four hours to go.

Updated with Autumns response

[DaddyTorgo]

just catching up on the rest of the day on the train home from work.placeholder post.

lemme be clear:I don't have a lawyer and I withdrew my bid for the lawyer anyways. and I'm jail and innocent.

if I had to name my suspects they'd likely cme frm the "abe,ae,cw" trio fwiw. if you toss me from the rock you're just killing a loyal roman senator...so if you think abe is working for good then vote for me I guess cuz he has more $$. but if you have any doubts toss him. it'll just bump everyone 1 notch up on the $$ scale.

so I guess it comes down to "kill the poor innocent or the rich shady guy" if you boil it down.

[Autumn]

So far for consul vote I have:

CR 6
Pass 3
Grammaticus 1
Tyrus Ithus 1

[Tyrith]

Alright, I'm going to be leaving in about half an hour until after the lynch. I'm going to keep my free trip award vote on Anxiety, because for better or worse I think we have to test him now and start to unravel the conspiracy.

[path12]

OK. When faced with voting for two people I think are good, my strategy is going to be to vote for the one with the least votes:

THROW DT FROM THE ROCK

My arrest candidates would be Ardent and Chubby. We're past time where it is suspicious simply that he is still alive as a lawyer.

For consul: VOTE CHIEFUS RUMUS CONSUL
VOTE GRAMMATICUS CONSUL

I'd nominate myself, but I don't know how much support I have. I will place the bid for Narcizo as outlined in the plan.......since nobody responded to my concerns about the plan I guess I'm on an island there so I'll just go along with it.

[Grammaticus]

Alright Tyrith, see you later.

[Poli]

Heh, maybe I'll use that sword killer anyhow. Then someone could arrest me, you could throw me from the rock, and see I was telling the truth. As previously outlined, I may not have much time for this game over the next few days.

Come here, Warlord.

[Poli]

Ardent. This is kind of a valid point. How come you didn't say anything when we were talking about this earlier?
Ardentus We've had to depend on Ardentus' claims of innocence for the executed so far. He hasn't been killed despite lawyers dropping like flies. Like Kayus he has rocketed up the wealth charts. Narcizo's finding of DC as innocent puts Ardentus in better light in my books, but I'm still dubious. How many times has Ardentus's claims been corroborated by another lawyer? I almost pulled the trigger on arresting him yesterday, but didn't want to lose a scan. I'm still on the fence there.

I mentioned the fact I had the sex slaves as soon as I got back online. My brother showed up right at the lynch time (he was supposed to be my softball partner, but showed up late), and it was an hour or so before he left.

As for how many times, that would be twice. Narc and Schmidty.

Not sure if we can get things going for the new plan today, but here goes (suggested bids after name):

The following are the wealthiest men in Rome:

Ardentus Enthusiastus--sex slaves
I'll do the sex slaves.

Heh, maybe I'll use that sword killer anyhow. Then someone could arrest me, you could throw me from the rock, and see I was telling the truth. As previously outlined, I may not have much time for this game over the next few days.

Come here, Warlord.
And I might do the Warlord. I'm tired of his mouth.

[Poli]

And I think I'm reading garbage about the only times we didn't have a kill being when I had sex slaves. You might be an uninformed monkey if you believe that. I've had the slaves twice now. We've only had one night where someone wasn't POISONED.

[Passacaglia]

I'm not getting much of a vibe from either of these guys, and if I were, I'd probably be wrong anyway. Anxiety seems the most suspicious to me, though. As much as I hate to vote for anyone who lives in Ypsi...

VOTE ANXIETY BYE-BYE

[Passacaglia]

VOTE PASSACAGLIA CONSUL
VOTE MUSTANG CONSUL

[Ironhead]

Just got home. Catching up now. Have to admit that I was pretty disappointed with last night's outcome.

[Autumn]

I'll be awaiting your input Senator Ironus Headus. I'm still trying to formulate an arrest plan. With all the back and forth accusations today I'm unsure which camp to point at.

[Poli]

Autumn, any questions for me?

[DaddyTorgo]

OK. When faced with voting for two people I think are good, my strategy is going to be to vote for the one with the least votes:

THROW DT FROM THE ROCK

My arrest candidates would be Ardent and Chubby. We're past time where it is suspicious simply that he is still alive as a lawyer.

For consul: VOTE CHIEFUS RUMUS CONSUL
VOTE GRAMMATICUS CONSUL

I'd nominate myself, but I don't know how much support I have. I will place the bid for Narcizo as outlined in the plan.......since nobody responded to my concerns about the plan I guess I'm on an island there so I'll just go along with it.


WOW.

I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT PATH's FLIP-FLOP FROM LAST NIGHT WITH NEXT-TO-NO EXPLANATION.

LAST NIGHT HE SAID HE BELIEVED EVERYTHING I SAID AND THOUGHT I WAS INNOCENT AFTER REREADING ALL OF BOTH OF OUR POSTS. AND NOW HE VOTES FOR ME!

watch that people. That's hella-wolfy

[DaddyTorgo]

wait i'm confused. Did I put in both my votes for consul already?

[st.cronin]

I have one vote from DT for Consul, for Chiefus Rumus.

[DaddyTorgo]

I have one vote from DT for Consul, for Chiefus Rumus.

thanks crony

[Poli]

Vote AE for consul.

Vote Chief Rum for consul.

[DaddyTorgo]

honestly I think it's a tossup between Gram and Tyrith. I think they'd both make equally good consuls and they each have one vote at this point hmm?

[Ironhead]

Autumn, have any bright ideas on your side of the fence? I am a little disillusioned after Dodgerchick turning up innocent last night. I had built a lot of assumptions of guilt/innocence around her.

I think the list idea worked out pretty well last night. We should probably do the same thing tonight.

[DaddyTorgo]

just because path voted for Gram as consul (as well as Chief Rum) I'm going to vote Tyrith I think. Obviously CR seems to be a clear choice for consul, it seems almost like it'd be too noticeable to not vote for him, even if people were wolves...so the vote for gram is the one of the two that raises my eyebrows, along with of course Path's flip-flop. Nothing personal necessarily Gram, just when someone who just flip-flopped onto me with no reason given votes for you, that causes me to look in another direction. Could be nothing, but it could be something.

so my 2nd vote for consul

VOTE TYRITH FOR CONSUL

my other standing votes

VOTE CHIEF RUM FOR CONSUL
VOTE ANXIETY FLIES OFF THE ROCK

[Poli]

I wouldn't suggest either of you put in Coffee Warlord.

[path12]

WOW.

I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT PATH's FLIP-FLOP FROM LAST NIGHT WITH NEXT-TO-NO EXPLANATION.

LAST NIGHT HE SAID HE BELIEVED EVERYTHING I SAID AND THOUGHT I WAS INNOCENT AFTER REREADING ALL OF BOTH OF OUR POSTS. AND NOW HE VOTES FOR ME!

watch that people. That's hella-wolfy

Yep, I said that. I also said that I thought Anxiety was good too. Then I said that I'd vote for the person with the fewest votes in that situation. I've been entirely consistent with this. You should go back and check.

[Poli]

I've put in the bid for the slaves. I figured to be in jail today. Watching NCIS over the next hour. I'm watching it in the other room, I won't be around. Peace out. Well, maybe the last few minutes before the deadline, in case someone wants me to change something.

[Autumn]

Autumn, any questions for me?

Well I'm glad to see you appear, and with such a flourish. I Like that you quoted yourself ;-)

It's a bit suspicious that on the night you were blocked no kills happened, though I agree with your point that this isn't the first time you were blocked. It's also suspicious that the other lawyers have died so quickly but not you, and that you've accumulated so much wealth. I'm not sure I have any questions about that though, as either the accusations have merit or it's all just chance. I tend to believe Anxietus is the guilty one, but the suspicions against you have some weight to them.

I don't know whether to be worried at you brandishing the swordsman, or excited that we could take out two traitors

[DaddyTorgo]

Yep, I said that. I also said that I thought Anxiety was good too. Then I said that I'd vote for the person with the fewest votes in that situation. I've been entirely consistent with this. You should go back and check.

that would make sense, cuz honestly you didn't seem wolfy to me at all all game so far.

[Autumn]

Ironus Headus,

I think we have to concentrate on the trio of Coffee, Anxiety and KWhit right now. Given the situation, AE's warning that gives us one clear idea.

The other clump seems to be Daddyus and Ardentus. Then there's been some talk of Chubbus. Pascalligus and Mustangus are on my radar too. But the first five there seem to be the important targets.

There don't seem to be enough targets for us to be too coy about who we're arresting, so we may have to just come out with it.

[Ironhead]

Lets see. I felt we had a pretty good plan last night. We vote for DC and if she is innocent hope the lawyer will save her life. If she survives with a large vote swing we have a pretty good feel that she innocent and things start falling into place. Not to mention that she was going to scan Anxiety. I am not sure I buy a frame up by the wolves because they would have had no idea who Anxiety would send the sex slaves to. What was it that Lathum had said in another thread about playing as a wolf. "Don't bluff a calling station?" I'll call this one:

VOTE THROW ANXIETY OFF THE ROCK

[Autumn]

My second consul vote:

Chief Rumus is obviously running away with this, and I don't have a particular problem with that though I'm now just paranoid of anything that gains momentum like that. I picked Tyrith first, and I think I'll go with another quieter but seemingly on target thinker with my second:

ELECT PASSCALIGUS AS CONSUL

[KWhit]

Here now and caught up.

Wondering how all of a sudden I am suspicious. I have had 3 different people clear me!


Sndvls - vouched for me due to me being the first to use the word Republic (I know - shaky evidence, but when added to the next two...)
Coffee Warlord - said he scanned me and I was in the clear
Anxiety - scanned me and said I was in the clear
WHAT MORE DO YOU PEOPLE WANT!??!?!

I have no idea how I didn't win the swordsman the other night. I'm talking about 2 nights ago, not last night. I didn't get a bid in last night.

My only guess is that someone above me in wealth is lying or st.cronin screwed up. I sent him a PM about that possibility and never received a response, so I have to assume he didn't screw up and someone above me in $$ bid on the sword guy and is lying about it.

Now, I don't know who that might be because I don't know when the bidding is resolved and who had more money than me (or even who appeared at the same level as me) at the time the bids were resolved.

But I didn't get the sword killer. Do you need to waste another scan on me to believe that? Sheesh!

[Autumn]

I realized I never cast a lynch vote. Obviously Anxietus is my man. I hesitated in the beginning thinking maybe we would find another certain candidate and use the sword on one of them. But I definitely don't want Anxietus getting out of this one, especially if the lawyer can help a guilty man.

VOTE THROW ABEUS ANXIETUS OFF THE ROCK

[KWhit]

Vote: Throw DT off the rock

[Ironhead]

I will join the fan club and:

VOTE CHIEF RUM FOR CONSUL
ABSTAIN from the second consul vote.

Besides Chief Rum the only other people I trust enough to put as Consul are not eligible for a vote right now.

[Autumn]

Ironhead, I don't want to miss an arrest or duplicate. How shoudl we coordinate this?

[Ironhead]

Autumn - My suspect is in this list:

Autumnus Leavus
Abeus Anxietus
Pathus Twelveus
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Kayus Whitus

Does voting for someone not on that list work for you?

[Mustang]

Vote Passcaligus for Consul
Vote Abstain for 2nd consul vote

Vote Execute Anxiety

I know what my focus is on after the next set of lawsuits. I want to see comparisons between winning % vs consul/lawyers. There absolutely has to be some connection there somewhere.

[Autumn]

Well,that doesn't leave me with a lot of suspects left from my list. I could make an arrest but it would either be Daddy, Ardentus or a shot in the dark at someone else.

Obviously I'm surprised to be on your list. Pathus and Barkeepus ahve been on and off and on my suspect list, so they seem OK picks, but I hvaen't seen anything lately to target them. Do you think we should be focusing there?

I'm willing to change my tack, since I don't know how good my intution and reasoning has been so far. I think I've nailed Antmeister nad Anxiety, but everyone else I'm unsure of.

So, I could make an arrest based off this list, but I'm not sure how storng it would be. Are you thinking I should go with that?

[Autumn]

Vote Passcaligus for Consul
Vote Abstain for 2nd consul vote

Vote Execute Anxiety

I know what my focus is on after the next set of lawsuits. I want to see comparisons between winning % vs consul/lawyers. There absolutely has to be some connection there somewhere.

Well Passcaligus and Mustangus have created a little circle of trust here ... ;-)

What do you mean about the lawsuits? That lawyers are better at winning lawsuits that they're in?

[Ironhead]

That was a cut and past job for the vote tally from my excel file Autumn. You are currently not a suspect of mine.

I will narrow it down for you:

Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Pathus Twelveus

One of those two will get my arrest vote tonight. I am very hestitant to post this narrow of a list with 15 minutes left until deadline, but I don't want our arrests getting mixed up. I am sending in my order now.

[Autumn]

lol, sorry to confuse the issue then. I wasn't sure if you were trying to keep it obfuscated, or widen the suspect pool. I guess both actually.

OK, we will have no duplicates then.

[Abe Sargent]

Well, looks like I have died. That's okay. I can now concentrate on the game I'm gm'ing, so its nothing major. For the record, I am not a tarq. Also, no one has still come forward to controvert my beleif that my sex slaves blocked AE's actions, and thereby blocked the tarqs' actions. Do you honestly think that on Day 8 they would just decide not to kill? No bg user has claimed that their bg blocked any kill. Its not hard to connect those lines.

[Ironhead]

Anxiety, if you are going to die then there will be no reason not to use Narcizo in your defense. Don't forgot to also send in a scan.

[Abe Sargent]

Anxiety, if you are going to die then there will be no reason not to use Narcizo in your defense. Don't forgot to also send in a scan.

I already sent in said action

[Poli]

Time check.

[st.cronin]

deadline

[st.cronin]

The results of today's lawsuits are as follows (winner is underlined):

Ardent sues Anxiety
Ardent sues DaddyTorgo
Ardent sues KWhit
Ardent sues Passacaglia
Ardent sues Path12
Ardent sues Barkeep
Ardent sues Coffee Warlord
Ardent sues Grammaticus
Ardent sues Ironhead
Ardent sues Narcizo
Ardent sues Autumn
Ardent sues Chief Rum
Ardent sues Chubby
Ardent sues Mustang
Ardent sues Tyrith
Grammaticus Atticus sues Anxietus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Tyrishus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Daddeus Torgus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Passeus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Patheus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Ironus Headus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Chubbeus
Coffeus Yakus Sues Ardent
Coffeus Yakus Sues KWhit
Coffeus Yakus Sues Anxiety
Coffeus Yakus Sues Pass
Coffeus Yakus Sues Path12
Coffeus Yakus Sues Barkeep
Coffeus Yakus Sues Gram
Coffeus Yakus Sues Ironhead
Coffeus Yakus Sues Narcizo
Coffeus Yakus Sues Autumn
Coffeus Yakus Sues Chief Rum
Coffeus Yakus Sues Chubby
Coffeus Yakus Sues DaddyTorgo
Coffeus Yakus Sues Mustang
Coffeus Yakus Sues Tyrith
Grammaticus Atticus sues Mustangus Sallleus
Autumn SUE ARDENTUS ENTHUSIASTUS
Autumn SUE KAYUS WHITUS
Autumn SUE DODGUS ERCHICKUS
Autumn SUE ABEUS ANXIETUS
Autumn SUE PATHUS TWELVEUS
Abeus sueth Mustang
Abeussueth DaddyTorgo
Abeus sueth Passus Caglius
Abeus sueth Pathus Twelveus
Mustang sues Ardentus Enthusiastus
Mustang sues Kayus Whitus
Mustang sues Abeus Anxietus
Mustang sues Passus Caglius
Mustang sues Pathus Twelveus
Mustang sues Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus-
Mustang sues Coffeus Yakus Warlordus-
Mustang sues Grammus Atticus-
Mustang sues Ironus Headus
Mustang sues Narcizus Lispus
Mustang sues Autumnus Leavus
Mustang sues Chiefus Rumus-
Mustang sues Chubbus Chubbus
Mustang sues Daddus Torgous
Mustang sues Tyrus Ithus
Tyrith sues Mustang
PATHUS TWELVUS SUES DADDYUS TORGOUS
PATHUS TWELVUS SUES PASSUS CAGLIUS
PATHUS TWELVUS SUES IRONUS HEADUS
PATHUS TWELVUS SUES MUSTANGUS WHATEVERUS
PATHUS TWELVUS SUES CHUBBUS CHUBBUS

[st.cronin]

pms coming

[DaddyTorgo]

that's hot. I won multiple lawsuits. Maybe I won't be so damm poor anymore!

[Poli]

I didn't do as well today on the lawsuits.

[Poli]

Ardent sues everyone. Again.

Assuming I'm alive and the start of the new day since the deadline just passed.

[Autumn]

This lawsuit thing makes no sense to me, but I seem to be OK at winning. It seems once you win a lot you start going back down, at least Kayus and Ardentus have.

[Poli]

I'm assuming I didn't learn anything from all my lawsuits, again. :(

[Autumn]

Yeah, Christ, the chance of finding evidence through a lawsuit must be next to nothing. Either that or the traitors have somehow managed to mostly sue each other?

[Autumn]

I guess this might take a while. I'm eager to know, but should get some more work done. I'm going to leave and be back in a little while.

[Poli]

Got the pimp.

[st.cronin]

The initial votes at the Treason trials:

10 - Anxiety - Daddy Torgo (2620), Narcizo (2724), Tyrith (2733), Coffee Warlord (2747), Chief Rum (2750), Grammaticus (2724), Passacaglia (2792), Ironhead (2811), Autumn (2814), Mustang (2819)

4 - DaddyTorgo - Anxiety (2734), Barkeep (2740), path12 (2707), KWhit (2815)

Two lawyers make speeches: Narcizus Lispus makes an impassioned speech defending Abeus Anxietus. He is followed by Ardentus Enthusiastus making a brilliant speech laying out the case against Daddyus Torgous. A second vote is taken - this time the vote is unanimous. Daddyus Torgous is thrown from the rock, and Abeus Anxietus is freed.

[Poli]

Mother Fer.

[Poli]

DT was a good guy. :(

[st.cronin]

The following Senator has been murdered:

Coffeus Warlordus, by sword

The following Senators are in jail:

Kayus Whitus
Pathus Twelveus

[st.cronin]

The new Consuls of Rome are:


Chiefus Rumus
Passus Caglius

[st.cronin]

updated financial standings coming

[Passacaglia]

Wow, I went something like 1-4 or 1-5.

Today should provide some interesting discussion.

[Poli]

Hate to do that to you, Warlord, but I had serious doubts about you.

[Passacaglia]

The new Consuls of Rome are:


Chiefus Rumus
Passus Caglius

I am ready to serve Rome!

[DaddyTorgo]

WTF!!! MOTHER F-ER!!!!!

THAT IS BULLCRAP!!

yeah...i'm a lil upset about that result. Good look loyal senators...find those traitorous tarqs please!

[DaddyTorgo]

you're a pretty damm good lawyer AE. To overcome that vote differential

[Mustang]

What do you mean about the lawsuits? That lawyers are better at winning lawsuits that they're in?

No, I mean that there is some correlation to players winning or losing all their lawsuits. Maybe when there are favorable circumstances, a traitor will win alot of their lawsuits or, when they are suing alot of people, when the circumstances aren't favorable they have to keep their mouth shut otherwise they could implicate themselves so, they lose alot of lawsuits.

I'm running near 50/50 as well as probably a few others. That is what I would probably expect but, that isn't happening. You are getting some people winning everything or losing everything. I think you look to some people that have had really good days like this and I would say there is a better chance at a Tarq in those type of groups.

[path12]

that would make sense, cuz honestly you didn't seem wolfy to me at all all game so far.

Apparently Ironus Headus disagrees. :(

[Passacaglia]

Wow. Ardent is too powerful, and must be stopped. If our vote is to hold any stock, we're going to need sex slaves on top of him 24-7, or to outbid the prisoners for his services.

[Abe Sargent]

I didn't die? Wow. Let me see if I got a scan pm from st cronin.

[path12]

The initial votes at the Treason trials:

10 - Anxiety - Daddy Torgo (2620), Narcizo (2724), Tyrith (2733), Coffee Warlord (2747), Chief Rum (2750), Grammaticus (2724), Passacaglia (2792), Ironhead (2811), Autumn (2814), Mustang (2819)

4 - DaddyTorgo - Anxiety (2734), Barkeep (2740), path12 (2707), KWhit (2815)

Two lawyers make speeches: Narcizus Lispus makes an impassioned speech defending Abeus Anxietus. He is followed by Ardentus Enthusiastus making a brilliant speech laying out the case against Daddyus Torgous. A second vote is taken - this time the vote is unanimous. Daddyus Torgous is thrown from the rock, and Abeus Anxietus is freed.

So who hired Ardent to prosecute DT?

[Autumn]

The initial votes at the Treason trials:

10 - Anxiety - Daddy Torgo (2620), Narcizo (2724), Tyrith (2733), Coffee Warlord (2747), Chief Rum (2750), Grammaticus (2724), Passacaglia (2792), Ironhead (2811), Autumn (2814), Mustang (2819)

4 - DaddyTorgo - Anxiety (2734), Barkeep (2740), path12 (2707), KWhit (2815)

Two lawyers make speeches: Narcizus Lispus makes an impassioned speech defending Abeus Anxietus. He is followed by Ardentus Enthusiastus making a brilliant speech laying out the case against Daddyus Torgous. A second vote is taken - this time the vote is unanimous. Daddyus Torgous is thrown from the rock, and Abeus Anxietus is freed.

Well, that certainly was unexpected.

What the &#@? Who won Ardentus for yesterday?

[Poli]

you're a pretty damm good lawyer AE. To overcome that vote differential
Sorry boss. I apparently convinced myself. :(

[path12]

Dola, because that person deliberately went against the vote to make sure Anxiety was freed. I find that interesting.

[path12]

Crap, missed dola.

[Poli]

Wow. Ardent is too powerful, and must be stopped. If our vote is to hold any stock, we're going to need sex slaves on top of him 24-7, or to outbid the prisoners for his services.
Too easy. I won the slaves. I'll just use them on myself.

[Autumn]

DT was a good guy. :(

Waiting for confirmation on this ...

But I'm now wishing I had had Anxietus rearrested. Which I almost, almost did. I figured if he was freed it might be because he was innocent though. Ididn't expect Daddy to get prosecuted by Perry Mason.

argg

[Poli]

Autumn, any reason not to use the slaves on myself?

[Autumn]

Well, that's an odd idea. LOL. I guess that would prevent that from happening again.

[Autumn]

All right, back to work. Well thigns are certainly always exciting around here. There's so many services we have to wrap up, who would have thought the lawyer could be so powerful. For what it's worth, I lost my bid as usual.

[st.cronin]

The wealthiest men in Rome are:

Abeus Anxietus
Ardentus Enthusiastus

The following Senators are extremely wealthy:

Autumnus Leavus
Grammus Atticus
Mustangus Sallus

The following Senators are moderately wealthy:

Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Ironus Headus
Kayus Whitus
Pathus Twelveus

The following (remaining) Senators are of normal wealth:

Chiefus Rumus
Chubbus Chubbus
Narcizus Lispus
Passus Caglius
Tyrus Ithus

[Abe Sargent]

This is not a good thing for me, and it hurts my case, but it helps my side.

I just got my pm. Apparently, AE is cleared of any wrong doing.

[Poli]

I'm not sure how that news sets with me. I believe someone tried to hire me to scan...me...in the past, and said it couldn't work that way.

Obviously, I appreciate the news.

[Grammaticus]

Autumn, any reason not to use the slaves on myself?

That would make you a masturslaver :)

[Grammaticus]

I'm not sure how that news sets with me. I believe someone tried to hire me to scan...me...in the past, and said it couldn't work that way.

Obviously, I appreciate the news.

Seems like DC talked about it, but I'm not sure if she did it or not.

[Coffee Warlord]

That would make you a masturslaver :)

Cronin, can I come back and haunt Gramm for all eternity for this line? :)

[Autumn]

Well, every night I hope things will get cleared up, but it seems they just get muddled. Do we know who bodyguarded tonight? It seems someone wanted to set Anxietus free and throw Daddyus off the cliff. Did we hear what Kayus Whitus won? He seems the obvious choice, and I guess I'm glad I arrested him now, but now Anxietus is free and fabulously wealthy to boot.

I'm not sure how to take Anxietus' clearing of Ardentus. I suppose it's the best bet he has - he knows we're unlikely to pay attention to him clearing one of his compatriots, or calling someone else a traitor.

Maybe at my new wealth level I can manage to actually win a service. I'd be inclined to do a scan myself for once.

Ironus Headus, can you let us know why you chose to arrest Pathus? I will go back and read posts, but I'm not sure how he might tie into all this.

Coffeeus Warlordus was certainly on my suspect list, but I'm also not sure about Ardentus deciding to off him. I would have preferred to off somebody we were more sure of. That sword killer is an awfully convenient way to make a public kill and not reveal your loyalty.

[Grammaticus]

Grammaticus Atticus sues the following:

Chiefus Rumus
Abeus Anxietus
Barkeepus
Tryithus
Dadeus Torgus
Patheus Twelveus
Passus Caligulas
Ironus Headus
Mustangus
Chubus

General misconduct is the charge

[Poli]

Sorry, Autumn. I was increasingly worried about the Warlord.

[Abe Sargent]

I'm not sure how that news sets with me. I believe someone tried to hire me to scan...me...in the past, and said it couldn't work that way.

Obviously, I appreciate the news.

Yes, that was me that said that. Yesterday I had Narzico, which you will see int he post. My lawyer defended me, someone else's attacked DT.

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, I am absolutely 100% bidding on the killer.

[Poli]

Say again?

[Abe Sargent]

Say again?

I was the one who pointed out that you can't use a lawyer to scan themselves because I asked.


I didn;t have you yesterday, I had Narzicus. I had you two days ago. Yesterday, Narzico scanned you and defended me. Look int he post for verification.

[Poli]

So, you had me yesterday?

[Poli]

Duh, AE. He says right there he didn't.

[Poli]

So, what did I do two days ago?

[Abe Sargent]

St. Cronim: You haven't posted the financial services for today, I beleive. I need to know who's up for today so I know who ta vtoe for.

[Abe Sargent]

So, what did I do two days ago?

Scanned KWhit

[Poli]

Right. And he came back clean, right?

[st.cronin]

The following people are offering services in the Forum today:

Gallus Clarus, ex-legionnaire
Titus Ludius, ex-legionnaire
Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves
Animus Sentus, person rumored to be affiliated with the Priesthood
Furius Lucius, former warlord of Gaul, enslaved and now freed
Lexus Postus, owner of many horses
Blakus Fortunatus, owner of many horses

and of course,

Ardentus Enthusiastus
Narcizus Lispus

[Grammaticus]

The initial votes at the Treason trials:

10 - Anxiety - Daddy Torgo (2620), Narcizo (2724), Tyrith (2733), Coffee Warlord (2747), Chief Rum (2750), Grammaticus (2724), Passacaglia (2792), Ironhead (2811), Autumn (2814), Mustang (2819)

4 - DaddyTorgo - Anxiety (2734), Barkeep (2740), path12 (2707), KWhit (2815)

Two lawyers make speeches: Narcizus Lispus makes an impassioned speech defending Abeus Anxietus. He is followed by Ardentus Enthusiastus making a brilliant speech laying out the case against Daddyus Torgous. A second vote is taken - this time the vote is unanimous. Daddyus Torgous is thrown from the rock, and Abeus Anxietus is freed.
Looks like Narc was hired to defend Abeus and AE was hired to Prosecute DT, hence both lawyers working in Abeus' favor.

Who hired AE?

[Tyrith]

Tyrith sues Mustang because he can win

I won the services of one of the BGs for today.

[Grammaticus]

The following people are offering services in the Forum today:

Gallus Clarus, ex-legionnaire
Titus Ludius, ex-legionnaire real
Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves
Animus Sentus, person rumored to be affiliated with the Priesthood
Furius Lucius, former warlord of Gaul, enslaved and now freed
Lexus Postus, owner of many horses
Blakus Fortunatus, owner of many horses

and of course,

Ardentus Enthusiastus
Narcizus Lispus
That pimpus has the sex slave market cornered.

[Tyrith]

DT was good, yes?

[Poli]

Okay, two days ago, my first day of enchanced wealth, I bud on and received the services of Ardent. Yesterday I ordered him to investigate KWhit which I just got back. KWhit is not guilty of any crime.

This is not a good thing for me, and it hurts my case, but it helps my side.

I just got my pm. Apparently, AE is cleared of any wrong doing.

I was the one who pointed out that you can't use a lawyer to scan themselves because I asked.


I didn;t have you yesterday, I had Narzicus. I had you two days ago. Yesterday, Narzico scanned you and defended me. Look int he post for verification.

Right. And he came back clean, right?

Here's where you may have tripped yourself up, Anxiety.

Two days ago, I had the slaves. There's no way I investigated Kwhit if I had the slaves.

[Poli]

DT was good, yes?
Yes.

[Poli]

The reason I thought of this:

If I give myself the sex slaves, there's no way anyone could use me to scan someone for this day.

[Poli]

Alas, I must soon retire to chambers. I'll catch up in the morning...though morning will likely be the last time I'm online until AFTER the deadline.

I, of course, am willing to bid on whoever I need to to help the cause.

[Tyrith]

Sue Barkeep, Chubby

[Abe Sargent]

Here's where you may have tripped yourself up, Anxiety.

Two days ago, I had the slaves. There's no way I investigated Kwhit if I had the slaves.

Day X - Someone places a bid
Day X+1 - They get an award. They submit an action
Day X+2 - They get that action done.

On the first day I had full wealth, I bid on you.

The following day I won you. I send you to scan KWhit. I bid onteh sex slaves.

The following day I discovered that KWhit was clean, I ordered the sex slaves to stop you.I bid on Narzico

The folloiwng day the sex slaves stopped you. I ordered Narzico to protect me. I placed no bid because I was in jail.

Today I received my action on my scan of you by Narcizo.

That;s the order that thigns happened, and that;s the order I posted here in teh ame. I have been totally consistent, because I have never lied.

[Abe Sargent]

Note that crtain actions are faster. I bid on a lawyer, and if I win them, I can use them for defense the following day, but I still dont get teh san result until teh day after that.

[Tyrith]

I feel the choice offered to us today doesn't really get at the core of our problems. KWhit seems to be more or less a conspiracy theory. The problem for us now...is that AE killing CW DOESN'T REVEAL CW'S ALLEGIANCE! So we still don't know how all the linkages in the Anxiety/AE/whatever mess are working right now. If we could just kill one known bad guy I can't help but feel we'd roll them up right now...anyway, I'm definitely leaning towards bumping path, because I find it hard to believe that a) CW and Anxiety would so openly link themselves and b) that in doing so they'd link themselves to a THIRD guy so we could roll up the entire team. It's not impossible, but it just seems so damned dangerous. Further, Anxiety's defense worked so well that I can't help but think he was aided by innocence.

[path12]

If we could just kill one known bad guy I can't help but feel we'd roll them up right now...anyway, I'm definitely leaning towards bumping path

I'm on board with the sentiment. But bumping me doesn't accomplish it. I actually have no idea why I'm even here. Or KWhit for that matter. The arrests have been odd, to say the least.

[Tyrith]

I'm on board with the sentiment. But bumping me doesn't accomplish it. I actually have no idea why I'm even here. Or KWhit for that matter. The arrests have been odd, to say the least.

Yeah, this really doesn't seem like what should have been our focus today...if we just wanted to sex slave AE forever, couldn't we have arrested him and at least given ourselves a shot at offing him if we so desire?

[Ironhead]

I had hoped to wait and hear from Narcizo regarding DaddyTorgo but it doesn't look like he is going to be on before I hit the sack.

I am the one who bid on, won and used Ardent yesterday. My thinking was pretty simple. I could use Ardent to investigate someone or assign him to the Senate for prosecution/defense - not both (confirmed this with St. Cronin). Quite frankly up to this point scanning people hasn't turned up anything, and not only that people don't seem to trust them as evidenced by KWhit being scanned 3 times (or so people claim).

This is what I saw in the lynch votes as we closed in on deadline:
Anxiety - 11 votes
DaddyTorgo - 4 votes

Up to this point the absolute only thing we have to judge lawyer use on is Coffee Warlord. On the 2nd day he used Ardent to swing 3 votes in his favor.

Game Rules Regarding Lawyers:

RULES

2 lawyers

There will be two additional public roles, the Best Lawyer in Rome, and the Second Best Lawyer in Rome. The lawyers may be hired by any player. When you have hired a lawyer, he may be used in the following ways:

- to defend yourself from an accusation of treason (this will be more effective if the player is, in fact, innocent)

- to represent you in a lawsuit (more on this later)

- you may appoint him as the Senate's lawyer, and prosecute a charge of treason (this will be more effective if the player is, in fact, guilty)

When a player who has hired a lawyer dies, that lawyer becomes richer. Lawyers have some other abilities which are a secret.




I feel that the underlined parts above are absolutely key. Scenarios I was looking at:

a) Scenario 1 - Anxiety is actually a Tarq, DaddyTorgo is innocent
Anxiety - 11 votes
DaddyTorgo - 4 votes

Judging by the game mechanics in this situation I would have received a poor defense, and DaddyTorgo to have received a poor prosecution. End result is that the votes barely change, Anxiety is executed and the poor prosecution put on by Ardent provides some kind of proof as to DaddyTorgo's loyalty.

b) Scenario 2 - Anxiety is actually for the Republic, DaddyTorgo is a Tarq
Anxiety - 11 votes
DaddyTorgo - 4 votes

Again, going purely what was posted in the rules I would expect Anxiety to receive a very good defense and DaddyTorgo to receive a very strong prosecution. I would like to point out right here that THIS IS WHAT ST. CRONIN'S POST IS SHOWING US THAT HAPPENED.

c) Scenarios 3 - Anxiety is loyal and DaddyTorgo is loyal
Anxiety - 11 votes
DaddyTorgo - 4 votes

I would have expected the final votes to be almost equal in this case.

d) Scenarios 4 - Anxiety is a Tarq and DaddyTorgo is a Tarq
Anxiety - 11 votes
DaddyTorgo - 4 votes

I would expect either Anxiety's defense to be poor, but DaddyTorgo's prosecution could be so stellar since he is guilty that the end result could be convincing.


So, going purely by the game mechanics I would expect DaddyTorgo to be a Tarq. When I first saw the voting results I got up and ran through the living room screaming like I just scored a goal in the world cup because I thought it worked and we had someone finally.

And then Ardent posted that DaddyTorgo was good. Huh? That makes no sense. If DaddyTorgo was innocent why was his prosecution a CLEAN SWEEP of the votes.

[Narcizo]

For the little it's worth I confirm that DT was good. Big bloody surprise. How the hell could he be anything else? I lined up the argument yesterday. There was next to no evidence against DT - there was clear evidence that KWhit and Coffee Warlord are in a conspiracy together, with a strong possibility that Anxiety was in on it as well.

ANYONE who thought there was reason to believe that DT was more worthy of an execution than Anxiety is a suspect to me. It's nonsense. I don't know what the hell happened here but there's wolf fingerprints (pawprints, I guess) all over this. I don't think everyone can be bad, some are clearly just being duped. It makes me wonder just how many wolves we're dealing with. Every game I think there must be about 50% wolves.

If Ardent is sending the sex slaves to himself that means I'd like to know who has my services today and how they're going to use them. Are they going to actually scan someone to gather some information or are they going to be tampering with the majority will of the senators. Again.

On the plus side. No kill today again? I wonder if you can kill while you're in prison. I'd take a wild guess and say "probably not". I've laid out the argument against KWhit, Coffee and Anxiety. If they're not guilty then I'm the Wizard of Oz. Path? Dunno. He voted against DT, maybe he's bad, maybe he's just misguided. Either way, once again, the evidence is massively in favour of -

Vote Execute KWhit

And vote for an arrest order on Anxiety.

[Narcizo]

I am the one who bid on, won and used Ardent yesterday. My thinking was pretty simple. I could use Ardent to investigate someone or assign him to the Senate for prosecution/defense - not both (confirmed this with St. Cronin). Quite frankly up to this point scanning people hasn't turned up anything, and not only that people don't seem to trust them as evidenced by KWhit being scanned 3 times (or so people claim).

This is what I saw in the lynch votes as we closed in on deadline:
Anxiety - 11 votes
DaddyTorgo - 4 votes

....


Anxiety had 10 votes not 11, Ironhead. Would that have effected your decision? I don't know about your argument. Given the circumstances it seems like a massive risk to take based on assumptions from semantics that are, intentionally, cloudy. I've had a good feeling about you for most of the game but this makes me wonder.

[Narcizo]

In light of events I'd like Barkeep and Path to explain their votes yesterday a bit more closely than they have done.

I'd also like to hear who has got my services today and what they intend to do with them. Not who you plan to scan but whether you intend to defend someone with them.

And I'd be very interested in hearing who's got the swordsman.

[Chief Rum]

Autumn, any reason not to use the slaves on myself?

Don't use the slaves on yourself. According to my Inbox, I won your services for today.

[Narcizo]

I feel the choice offered to us today doesn't really get at the core of our problems. KWhit seems to be more or less a conspiracy theory. The problem for us now...is that AE killing CW DOESN'T REVEAL CW'S ALLEGIANCE! So we still don't know how all the linkages in the Anxiety/AE/whatever mess are working right now. If we could just kill one known bad guy I can't help but feel we'd roll them up right now...anyway,

Vote to execute KWhit then.
If he comes up bad
a) Anxiety is almost certainly a lock for being bad
b) we can look at Barkeep, Path and Ironhead as very strong suspects.

If he comes up good then
a) we have an execution scan to prove it and it looks bad for Ardent
b) I'm, as previously stated, the Wizard of Oz. :)

Vote to execute Path and
if he comes up bad
a) Anxiety and Kwhit still look like strong suspects, and
b) I guess I look bad

If he comes up good
a) Ironhead looks bad.

So not only is there far more evidence pointing towards KWhit being guilty but we actually stand to learn more from his death as well. So, no doubt, the prime suspect will get off once again and we'll be left knowing little.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, at this point, all y'all are Tarqs. Or all y'all are good. Hell, I don't know.

There are things that just don't make a lot of sense to me. They just don't fit. I really want to see what everyone has been bidding on, but that will have to wait until after the game.

I won my first service today in ardent, and I am still wondering how I got him for one reason I'll make public (Grammaticus claimed to bid on him) and one private (I have a meta-game reason for not revealing at this time, but I don't think it is relevant to game emchanics).

I think we're at the point where we need to be sure about everyone high in wealth, even ardent or Ironhead.

I will have to submit my arrest vote early tomorrow (around 1 p.m. PDT, 5 hours before deadline), but I am far from decided which way to go.

[Chief Rum]

Vote to execute KWhit then.
If he comes up bad
a) Anxiety is almost certainly a lock for being bad
b) we can look at Barkeep, Path and Ironhead as very strong suspects.

If he comes up good then
a) we have an execution scan to prove it and it looks bad for Ardent
b) I'm, as previously stated, the Wizard of Oz. :)

Vote to execute Path and
if he comes up bad
a) Anxiety and Kwhit still look like strong suspects, and
b) I guess I look bad

If he comes up good
a) Ironhead looks bad.

So not only is there far more evidence pointing towards KWhit being guilty but we actually stand to learn more from his death as well. So, no doubt, the prime suspect will get off once again and we'll be left knowing little.

I don't know what I am going to do with ardent, but it is unlikely to be to defend KWhit, especially after yesterday's screwy result.

So if he gets off, it won't be in the same manner as Anxiety did.

[Chief Rum]

Two pet theories: No real evidence for this, just throwing them out there for mentla consumption.

Since we started "controlling" the bid process, no one has died from poison. There was a poison death, but I believe it was the first day we got the plan in motion. That's theory #1. It suggests poison was a service after all, perhaps one that is different in the hands of the wolves than it is in good.

Theory #2 is that only one Tarq had the ability to poison. And we killed him with the sword killer. Not sure about that, though. Not sure it works out with our sword killer kills, timing-wise.

[Neon_Chaos]

:o

[Narcizo]

I thought I knew what was going on but I'm just getting more and more confused by all this. It doesn't help that I'm here, talking to myself until CR gets in.

[Narcizo]

Two pet theories: No real evidence for this, just throwing them out there for mentla consumption.

Since we started "controlling" the bid process, no one has died from poison. There was a poison death, but I believe it was the first day we got the plan in motion. That's theory #1. It suggests poison was a service after all, perhaps one that is different in the hands of the wolves than it is in good.

Theory #2 is that only one Tarq had the ability to poison. And we killed him with the sword killer. Not sure about that, though. Not sure it works out with our sword killer kills, timing-wise.

Have you got the time to check up those theories or shall I do it (at some stage) Chief? #2 looks fairly easy to check. #1, not so much.

[Chief Rum]

Have you got the time to check up those theories or shall I do it (at some stage) Chief? #2 looks fairly easy to check. #1, not so much.

#1 can't be checked really at all, since we have essentially been trying to do that for three days now and haven't really gotten anywhere. Even if we had a good theory on which service turns into a poison killer, I don't know that we could lock it down enough on certain days and with certain people to know anything for sure.

I think the claimed "good" sword kills have been saldana, Antmeister and now Coffee Warlord. The time frame doesn't fit, unless I am forgetting another sword kill by a claimed "good" player.

[Narcizo]

You're right. Peregrine was the last poison kill and the only sword kill has been Coffee yesterday.

When this idea was first mentioned I thought that the prositutes or the priest might be poisoners. But the priest only crops up every other day, so that doesn't work and the prostitutes have been used when the poisons occured. So I can't see it being that either.

[Narcizo]

The only sword kill since Peregrine was poisoned, that is.

[Narcizo]

Sod it. I've reread my arguments from yesterday. I can't find a fault in them unless there's something big that we don't know. (which, is very likely the case to be honest).

I get the feeling that I've been led down the garden path and have done all the bad guys work for them. I'm starting to get a bad vibe off of Ardent. He's certainly got the experience to play me like this. But there's nothing I can do about that today.

[Chief Rum]

The only sword kill since Peregrine was poisoned, that is.

Poisonous letter from the horse owners? :)

[Chief Rum]

Sod it. I've reread my arguments from yesterday. I can't find a fault in them unless there's something big that we don't know. (which, is very likely the case to be honest).

I get the feeling that I've been led down the garden path and have done all the bad guys work for them. I'm starting to get a bad vibe off of Ardent. He's certainly got the experience to play me like this. But there's nothing I can do about that today.

I like your breakdown of things, too. Of course, I also thought Anxiety's death would clear a lot of things for us, and yet we somehow managed to not kill him. But I have no problem trying to do so again with KWhit for similar effect.

As for ardent, I think it's past time we started focusing on him. I still lean toward him being good, but there is a lot of circumstantial evidence here that someone high up and influential is giving us the seirous runaround,a nd he's an obvious choice there. Plus, as noted, he is still amazingly enough, alive, as a lawyer.

[Narcizo]

If he comes up good then
a) we have an execution scan to prove it and it looks bad for Ardent
b) I'm, as previously stated, the Wizard of Oz. :)


Here's the thing. If KWhit is executed and I'm killed Ardent will have sole say about KWhit's loyalty. Well someone knows what they have to do.

Of course Ardent and I could both be bad but then "you're" screwed anyway. :) If you think that's the case I suggest Chief scans me, whoever has my service won't be able to scan me.

So to my mind the logical course of action is
a) We execute KWhit
b) We imprison Ardent and Anxiety
c) Chief scans me with Ardent
d) Somebody protects me

This will assure us of getting a proper read from the KWhit execution.

[Poli]

Day X - Someone places a bid
Day X+1 - They get an award. They submit an action
Day X+2 - They get that action done.

On the first day I had full wealth, I bid on you.

The following day I won you. I send you to scan KWhit. I bid onteh sex slaves.

The following day I discovered that KWhit was clean, I ordered the sex slaves to stop you.I bid on Narzico

The folloiwng day the sex slaves stopped you. I ordered Narzico to protect me. I placed no bid because I was in jail.

Today I received my action on my scan of you by Narcizo.

That;s the order that thigns happened, and that;s the order I posted here in teh ame. I have been totally consistent, because I have never lied.
Hmm...

[Poli]

Don't use the slaves on yourself. According to my Inbox, I won your services for today.
Duly noted, and who would I use them on then?

[Poli]

Vote to execute KWhit then.
If he comes up bad
a) Anxiety is almost certainly a lock for being bad
b) we can look at Barkeep, Path and Ironhead as very strong suspects.

If he comes up good then
a) we have an execution scan to prove it and it looks bad for Ardent
b) I'm, as previously stated, the Wizard of Oz. :)


I'm not sure how this makes me bad, but so be it.

[Poli]

Sod it. I've reread my arguments from yesterday. I can't find a fault in them unless there's something big that we don't know. (which, is very likely the case to be honest).

I get the feeling that I've been led down the garden path and have done all the bad guys work for them. I'm starting to get a bad vibe off of Ardent. He's certainly got the experience to play me like this. But there's nothing I can do about that today.

Add to that you're wrong about me being bad. I may have never been more honest in a game in my life.

I'll accept your apology after the game, though.

[Poli]

Poisonous letter from the horse owners? :)
Anthrax?:p

[Poli]

Here's the thing. If KWhit is executed and I'm killed Ardent will have sole say about KWhit's loyalty. Well someone knows what they have to do.

Of course Ardent and I could both be bad but then "you're" screwed anyway. :) If you think that's the case I suggest Chief scans me, whoever has my service won't be able to scan me.

So to my mind the logical course of action is
a) We execute KWhit
b) We imprison Ardent and Anxiety
c) Chief scans me with Ardent
d) Somebody protects me

This will assure us of getting a proper read from the KWhit execution.
So your sacrificing me for your own good? How about we put you up there, and he uses me to scan you?

[Poli]

Well, I'm almost out of here...I'll try to find a wifi spot between work and softball, but there's no guarantee.

Sorry, fellas, I won't be able to contribute much of anything today/tonight. I'll jump online after I get back from the game (probably around 10pm Central), let you know what I found out, if anything.

[Poli]

Throw path12 from the rock.

And I've sent in my choice for the sex slaves to go to. It wasn't me, per CR's request. I didn't send them to Narc, though I'm growing increasingly tired of his questions of me.

I've been nothing more than honest about everything in this game. You would be hard pressed to find someone more loyal to the Senate, to the Republic, than myself.

And I fully expect an apology from you Narc, when the game is over.

[Poli]

For that matter, I expect one from CW as well...though I certainly will have to apologize for putting the sword to him if he was loyal.

[Narcizo]

So your sacrificing me for your own good? How about we put you up there, and he uses me to scan you?

Ummmm... Which bit of "C Rum should scan me" did you not understand?

[Narcizo]

Sorry "Chief should scan me".

And how am I "sacrificing you" for my own good?

[Narcizo]

OK. I'm now convinced either Ardent or KWhit are baddies. There's only one way to get to the bottom of this and Ardent seems to be avoiding it. Notice that he doesn't offer an explanation for executing path?

If we execute KWhit and he's good I guarantee that I've been played and Ardent is bad. If KWhit is honest he'll accept that there is evidence that he's bad.
If KWhit is bad then I believe Ardent is good. I won't apologise because I think there's clear evidence that he's bad, evidence he should be able to see himself. Why should I apologise for pointing out that evidence?

If KWhit goes free we learn next to nothing. If he dies and I'm not killed then we learn something one way or the other. We get our first confirmed wolf kill and something to build from.

[Narcizo]

I think it's worth pointing out that we are down to 14 men (13 if we discount Chubby). We're starting to run out of time. With 14 votes we need, at least, 8 votes for an execution. I believe Chief won't interfere with the vote, we need to find out who has hired me and get a commitment that they won't interfere either.

I've no idea how many wolf votes we can expect but everybody has to vote to lynch KWhit or we won't get a result.

Now you're probably worried that this is some sort of elaborate wolf play by me. I don't know what more I can do to help you with that. I've asked to be scanned. If I could be arrested and executed I'd offer to do that. I've tried to help the villagers all game long. I admit I've made mistakes but I think it's fair to say that I'm not the only one. Look back at my posts. I've offered reasoning for everything I've done. I guess what it comes down to today is whether you trust me or you trust KWhit or Ardent.

[Narcizo]

If KWhit goes free we learn next to nothing. If he dies and I'm not killed then we learn something one way or the other. We get our first confirmed wolf kill and something to build from.

I've asked for bodyguard protection. On consideration I think it's equally important that Chief is protected, to prevent someone stopping the scan of me. I don't know how we can go about fixing that. If the bodyguards want to synchonise somehow then that would be good but I can understand if they don't want to come out in the open. Otherwise flip a coin and protect whoever comes up. If there's one of you there's a 50% shot you protect the right person. If there's two of you, there's, um can't do the maths, well an even better chance of doing it. :)

[Narcizo]

I can see I've skirted over the arguments about how KWhit being innocent means that Ardent is likely bad. I'll try to put my case together. I've stated the case against KWhit/CW yesterday. It starts at post #2699. You'll notice that DaddyTorgo, someone we know is innocent, agreed with my argument.

[Narcizo]

1) Ardent killing CW yesterday when we needed a double scan to find out if he was bad or not. If he was good (something I admit I didn't think was likely) then KWhit was likely good and their suspicions of Ardent were very solid
2) Ardent voting to execute path with no explanation given. Of course, he doesn't want KWhit to be executed while there's a chance of me being alive.
3) The evidence does suggest that KWhit must have lied about taking the swordsman. But it's possible that the evidence is faulty. I think I have a reputation for being someone who gets into heavy (over) analysis. An experience player could set up the evidence to condemn KWhit. This would explain why Chief Rum and I have been left alive. We've been offering solid analysis but what if it's faulty analysis? We will never know unless we ascertain KWhit's guilt.

[Narcizo]

I don't know. I feel like I'm chasing my tail here. I'm probably overanalysing. Vote for who you think is most guilty. KWhit or Path. I think KWhit looks by far the most guilty. I have a "hunch" :D

I need to think about something else. This is doing my head in.

[Autumn]

I feel the choice offered to us today doesn't really get at the core of our problems. KWhit seems to be more or less a conspiracy theory. The problem for us now...is that AE killing CW DOESN'T REVEAL CW'S ALLEGIANCE! So we still don't know how all the linkages in the Anxiety/AE/whatever mess are working right now. If we could just kill one known bad guy I can't help but feel we'd roll them up right now...anyway, I'm definitely leaning towards bumping path, because I find it hard to believe that a) CW and Anxiety would so openly link themselves and b) that in doing so they'd link themselves to a THIRD guy so we could roll up the entire team. It's not impossible, but it just seems so damned dangerous. Further, Anxiety's defense worked so well that I can't help but think he was aided by innocence.

The conspiracy theory may be just that, but it's the only thing I see to go on, other than the possibility that Ardentus is treasonous. But I just wanted to point out that it seemed from the descrip that it was mostly Ardentus prosecuting Daddy that produced the result. It seemed to me the matchup of ARdentus against Narcizo was the biggest part, just based on how it was described.

[Autumn]

Yeah, this really doesn't seem like what should have been our focus today...if we just wanted to sex slave AE forever, couldn't we have arrested him and at least given ourselves a shot at offing him if we so desire?

I'm a little frustrated at this. I too don't understand why Pathus is arrested, and maybe Ironhead tells us later (I'm still catching up). But I tried to get input from the group as to arrests. I gave my particular suspect list, which is mostly based on the Anxietus group conspiracy theory. The only other thing I've heard is the old suspicion that Ardentus is bad, along with vague mutterings about Daddy.

I almost arrested Ardentus, but hesitated. I'm really loathe to lose us the access of a lawyer, and was afraid I might just be playing into the traitors hands by doing so. And then when Ironhead decided not to arrest in the Anxiety/Coffee/Kwhit group I felt like I had to go in that direction. If people had really wanted me to arrest Ardentus instead, I feel like there should have been more talk in that direction. That seemed like a big leap to take.

[Autumn]

So, going purely by the game mechanics I would expect DaddyTorgo to be a Tarq. When I first saw the voting results I got up and ran through the living room screaming like I just scored a goal in the world cup because I thought it worked and we had someone finally.

And then Ardent posted that DaddyTorgo was good. Huh? That makes no sense. If DaddyTorgo was innocent why was his prosecution a CLEAN SWEEP of the votes.

Thanks for posting this, this makes some sense. I agree, that based on what we though we knew, Daddy looks like a traitor. Ugh. That's all we need is more confusion.

[Autumn]

Poisonous letter from the horse owners? :)

Well, that seriously makes me wonder something. I don't understand the horse owners at all. First of all, what's the point of them? Maybe it's just because I haven't played WW before, but I don't understand what would be the big advantage of PMing someone. I guess if you had found out something that you didn't want to reveal, but you could tell the consuls for example? In this game at least though I don't see where that would come in handy. Is there more to them than we've been led to think?

The second part is, it seems like they've never worked, or rarely worked. Do we still have any successful horse message passing? At least at one point it seemed that we hadn't. I don't know how the horses would tie into anything else, but as far as I can tell they're just a waste. Is there more to them than I know?

[Tyrith]

The second part is, it seems like they've never worked, or rarely worked. Do we still have any successful horse message passing? At least at one point it seemed that we hadn't. I don't know how the horses would tie into anything else, but as far as I can tell they're just a waste. Is there more to them than I know?

I've tried twice, both recipients are still alive, and got nothing.

[Tyrith]

Damnit. KWhit is not the person that I want to take out of the Anxiety/CW/AE conspiracy circle...but it seems we have been left few other options. At this point in the game we have to figure out where we STAND, regardless of who we have to kill -- in the past I've advocated killing seers just to figure out their allegiance, in order to confirm their information, and this is more or less the same case. However, there are significant costs...we've been able to trust him all game, he's been useful most of the game, and if we kill him and he's GOOD we're moving the other bad wealthy people up the ladder, bringing them that much closer to screwing us.

Quietly, though...what proof do we have that Narcizo is on our side...or CR, for that matter, although I find it hard to believe that a wolf would help us out so much...so I'm much more suspicious of Narcizo out of that pairing...leaving me with a difficult choice as to what to do with my action today.

However, for the lynch...path, for better or worse, doesn't get at the core of our problems. KWhit does.

VOTE EXECUTE KWHIT

[Autumn]

It was the Narcizo show, now it's my show ;-) This place starts looking more and more like a soapbox as the numbers dwindle. I'm eager to hear from everyone at some point today.

It seems clear to me to vote to execute Kayus Whitus. I've been seeing the case against him and Anxietus for a while now, and nothing's dissuaded me from it yet, though I admit Ironhead saying he hired Ardent confuses it a bit. Still, it's the only strong case I think we've seen all game. On the other hand, I still don't know what the case against Pathus Twelveus is. I feel like I've missed something.

No one yet has come out as hiring Narcizus, or the swordsman, or the other bodyguard. Or for that matter hte horses, but once again I can't understand why I should care about them. Who else was up for bid, thepriest or the philosopher?

Our next step seems clear to me, execute Kayus Whitus (has he just not been around? I think we've only heard from him once in two days?) and arrest Anxietus and Ardentus. If Kayus is bad, as I expect he will be, then we've got Anxietus under wraps too. If he's not we can look at Ardentus. I don't really know any other suspects at this point. I mean other than everybody, these are the only ones that stand out.

EXECUTE KAYUS WHITUS

I should be around today to follow along, so I'll be able to change my vote if someone convinces me otherwise.

[Narcizo]

The second part is, it seems like they've never worked, or rarely worked. Do we still have any successful horse message passing? At least at one point it seemed that we hadn't. I don't know how the horses would tie into anything else, but as far as I can tell they're just a waste. Is there more to them than I know?

I've successfully communicated with Chief Rum. I informed him that I would take the swordsman not the bodygaurd back a few days ago. I got his reply the following day.

My theory as to why the horses haven't worked was that you are not permitted to send messages to the consul. (that would be a game mechanic to prevent someone with a scan telling a consul "arrest Mr X and I'll scan him today" This mechanic would force the person with the scan or the consul to do so openly and risk being blocked/killed by the bad guys). I sent the message when I was a consul but received the answer after I left the post. To be honest I haven't thought about it recently, with other things on my mind.

[Tyrith]

On the other hand, I still don't know what the case against Pathus Twelveus is. I feel like I've missed something.

The case is that Path is typically more useful than he's been this game. This game he's practically been UTR, especially by his standards. But at this point that isn't too much.

Our next step seems clear to me, execute Kayus Whitus (has he just not been around? I think we've only heard from him once in two days?) and arrest Anxietus and Ardentus. If Kayus is bad, as I expect he will be, then we've got Anxietus under wraps too. If he's not we can look at Ardentus. I don't really know any other suspects at this point. I mean other than everybody, these are the only ones that stand out.

I agree with this plan wholeheartedly. One of those two probably needs to go down tomorrow, one way or another.

It really isn't fair of me to be frustrated towards you about yesterday, now that I actually think about it for a couple of seconds (shocking, I know). The problem is that Anxiety wriggled out of his comeuppance, leaving us info clueless again, and there's nothing you could have done about that.

[Autumn]

Damnit. KWhit is not the person that I want to take out of the Anxiety/CW/AE conspiracy circle...but it seems we have been left few other options. At this point in the game we have to figure out where we STAND, regardless of who we have to kill -- in the past I've advocated killing seers just to figure out their allegiance, in order to confirm their information, and this is more or less the same case. However, there are significant costs...we've been able to trust him all game, he's been useful most of the game, and if we kill him and he's GOOD we're moving the other bad wealthy people up the ladder, bringing them that much closer to screwing us.

Quietly, though...what proof do we have that Narcizo is on our side...or CR, for that matter, although I find it hard to believe that a wolf would help us out so much...so I'm much more suspicious of Narcizo out of that pairing...leaving me with a difficult choice as to what to do with my action today.

I guess I should have arrested AE out of that group, but I just suspect him less than Kayus and Abeus. Anxiety getting out of jail just confirms that for me. He's managed to avoid scanning and execution too handily.

The only reason I've been trusting Narcizo is frankly just because he seemed to have the same theories as me. When I read his posts we usually synced on what we thought was going on. Not much to go by, but it's pretty much all I have to go with in this game as far as I can tell. I mean, the only scans we've had were on all our prime suspects lol.

Chief Rumus, is in the same boat. His idea of organizing service bids is one I had from day one, and seems only to harm the traitors, so I tend to imagine he's on our side. I'm an amateur here, so maybe it's a fancy way of pulling the wool over my eyes, but I've got to go forward on something.

[Autumn]

I've successfully communicated with Chief Rum. I informed him that I would take the swordsman not the bodygaurd back a few days ago. I got his reply the following day.

My theory as to why the horses haven't worked was that you are not permitted to send messages to the consul. (that would be a game mechanic to prevent someone with a scan telling a consul "arrest Mr X and I'll scan him today" This mechanic would force the person with the scan or the consul to do so openly and risk being blocked/killed by the bad guys). I sent the message when I was a consul but received the answer after I left the post. To be honest I haven't thought about it recently, with other things on my mind.

I guess I'm goign to give it up as just more than my brain can handle right now. With the long amount of time it takes for messages to come and go, they don't seem handy. And it doesn't do anything to prove loyalty. And I would have thought the sex slaves woudl be the service that was just fluff :-)

[Tyrith]

Autumn, more or less the same reason I've been doing it. I don't think we have much a choice anymore; it's too late in the game to start doubting them...but wouldn't it be the coup of the century if Narcizo is bad?

[Autumn]

The case is that Path is typically more useful than he's been this game. This game he's practically been UTR, especially by his standards. But at this point that isn't too much.

OK, well that makes sense, but isn't an angle I can take. Plus how many times have we gotten burned on that so far?

I should get to work and wait for the rest of the Senators to file through and make their speeches. I'm interested in hearing more views.

[Narcizo]

Quietly, though...what proof do we have that Narcizo is on our side...or CR, for that matter, although I find it hard to believe that a wolf would help us out so much...so I'm much more suspicious of Narcizo out of that pairing...leaving me with a difficult choice as to what to do with my action today.


As I've said for the last three days or so, ever since I got in a position of power, I welcome any attempt to establish my innocence. Nobody has taken me up on that for whatever reason. Hopefully Chief will do so today and we can move forward. Of course, if Chief is bad as well as me then that doesn't work either.

For what it's worth I think Chief looks less suspicious than me as well. :)

[Tyrith]

The path case was a much better about four days ago when we didn't have a clue.

And yeah, Narcizo, I'll definitely be working today to help guard the you/CR angle, it'd be really nice to know that for sure.

[Narcizo]

I guess I'm goign to give it up as just more than my brain can handle right now. With the long amount of time it takes for messages to come and go, they don't seem handy. And it doesn't do anything to prove loyalty. And I would have thought the sex slaves woudl be the service that was just fluff :-)

I tried to use it to catch a bad guy but it didn't work. It might have worked but it was a very long shot. But I didn't have any wealth at the time (a position I find myself in again) so I thought I'd try to be creative with the horseys.

[Narcizo]

Times up for me. I've stated my case. For any number of reasons I think voting KWhit is the way to go. Do the right thing.

I'm still interested in hearing from path and barkeep about why they voted for DT yesterday. I'm still interested in getting a commitment from whoever has hired me that they won't interfere in the trial and I'm still interested in establishing who has the swordsman. But the chances are that that will have to wait until tomorrow for me. If I'm still around.

[Abe Sargent]

Throw path12 from the rock.

And I've sent in my choice for the sex slaves to go to. It wasn't me, per CR's request. I didn't send them to Narc, though I'm growing increasingly tired of his questions of me.

I've been nothing more than honest about everything in this game. You would be hard pressed to find someone more loyal to the Senate, to the Republic, than myself.

And I fully expect an apology from you Narc, when the game is over.

Totally agree. I used Narc to investigate AE and he came up clean. There's no controverting that statement.

[Abe Sargent]

Damnit. KWhit is not the person that I want to take out of the Anxiety/CW/AE conspiracy circle...but it seems we have been left few other options. At this point in the game we have to figure out where we STAND, regardless of who we have to kill -- in the past I've advocated killing seers just to figure out their allegiance, in order to confirm their information, and this is more or less the same case. However, there are significant costs...we've been able to trust him all game, he's been useful most of the game, and if we kill him and he's GOOD we're moving the other bad wealthy people up the ladder, bringing them that much closer to screwing us.

Quietly, though...what proof do we have that Narcizo is on our side...or CR, for that matter, although I find it hard to believe that a wolf would help us out so much...so I'm much more suspicious of Narcizo out of that pairing...leaving me with a difficult choice as to what to do with my action today.

However, for the lynch...path, for better or worse, doesn't get at the core of our problems. KWhit does.

VOTE EXECUTE KWHIT



When did AE get added to my circle? You guys realize that you are so fixated on your tunnel vision that you are ignoring othe players. Besides, how is AE in the CW/Me/KWhit circle if he sent the sword killer to take out CW?

[Tyrith]

The circle I defined isn't you all being in a conspiracy together; it's about the linkages created so far, irrespective of allegiance. And since you all control the money, and the money controls the EVIDENCE, we're kind of forced to focus on you all because the case for most people below you on the chart more or less cannot be made with any conviction at this point.

[st.cronin]

Misterus Wednesdayus is replacing Chubbus Chubbus.

[Tyrith]

LSG's role this game now has some startling similarities to a public toilet.

[Abe Sargent]

If I die can I take the role over?

[Tyrith]

I hope not, but I'd send flowers to your funeral...assuming you turn up good, that is :)

[Mr. Wednesday]

OK, can I get a quick recap of notable events to date? I'll try to do some catching up this afternoon, but there's no way I'm plowing through 100 pages of material.

[path12]

In light of events I'd like Barkeep and Path to explain their votes yesterday a bit more closely than they have done.

I can go back and find the post if you want, but my vote on DT yesterday was placed in the hope of NOT getting a majority. I stated clearly that I thought both DT and Anxiety were good (though I'm now having my doubts about Anxiety given the result yesterday) and that my vote was going on the one with the fewest votes.

As for the general feeling that I've been UTR this game, guilty as charged. I've also mentioned earlier that I should have been keeping a notepad with a game this big and complex -- it took me almost a week to really get the hang of what was even going on. I think I have been more active the past couple of days, and I don't think I've said anything that hasn't been in the interest of smoking out the Tarqs amongst us.

If anyone has questions that I can answer to try and address their concerns, then let them speak and I will respond. I really am confused as to why I was arrested in the first place, but that's a whole other issue. I'm sure Kayus is thinking the same thing there.

[path12]

This won't be a shock:

VOTE TOSS KAYUS WHITUS

Self-preservation and all.

[Grammaticus]

I can go back and find the post if you want, but my vote on DT yesterday was placed in the hope of NOT getting a majority. I stated clearly that I thought both DT and Anxiety were good (though I'm now having my doubts about Anxiety given the result yesterday) and that my vote was going on the one with the fewest votes.

For what it is worth, I believe a prior primer indicated that we do not need a majority to lynch. At least it appears that way when two candidates are presented. I'm not sure if that still holds true or not.

[path12]

For what it is worth, I believe a prior primer indicated that we do not need a majority to lynch. At least it appears that way when two candidates are presented. I'm not sure if that still holds true or not.

You're likely right -- most of my interpretation of the rules thus far has been mistaken. Regardless, my intention with my vote was to not toss someone in a case where I thought both were good.

[Chief Rum]

Duly noted, and who would I use them on then?

Someone who's gonna do something bad. :)

BTW, there was a miscommunication. I apparently have the services of Narcizo, not ardent. So send the slaves to yourself anyway if you want. ;)

I don't know who has you now.

[Tyrith]

Votes that aren't cast are counted as abstained votes, and don't count towards votes casts. We just need a majority of the actual cast votes, meaning maybe not tie? Otherwise we get it every time.

[Chief Rum]

The case is that Path is typically more useful than he's been this game. This game he's practically been UTR, especially by his standards. But at this point that isn't too much.

Point about path that is the big thing for me. He was one of the original five I pointed out as likely players to hire the sword killer on Day One (which killed Swaggs). And he was one of the top tier wealth players who could have taken Balbus Senna away from Ironhead.

He was the only player in position to do both.

So that's the primary evidence I know of against path, along with UTR theories and what not.

[Chief Rum]

OK, can I get a quick recap of notable events to date? I'll try to do some catching up this afternoon, but there's no way I'm plowing through 100 pages of material.

You're just not committed. :)

[path12]

Point about path that is the big thing for me. He was one of the original five I pointed out as likely players to hire the sword killer on Day One (which killed Swaggs). And he was one of the top tier wealth players who could have taken Balbus Senna away from Ironhead.

He was the only player in position to do both.

So that's the primary evidence I know of against path, along with UTR theories and what not.

Well, at least you've got a theory. I'd point out that on day 1 nobody knew what the services did or how they worked, so it would have been quite a cunning play on my part to figure that bid would get me a free kill and then go for it, especially with only moderate wealth early in the game.

For the record, I believe (not positive) that I bid on the priest/philosopher role on day 1.

[Chief Rum]

So no one has come out to say if they have ardent? I half expected someone to come out and say, "Hey, Chief, how can you have ardent when I do!"

Now my fear is that KWhit has ardent. We could have a repeat of the situation yesterday.

Narcizo, I have control of your bidding tonight, and of course, I won't interfere. But now without control of ardent, a key part of your plan flies out the window. I am trying to think of ways to use you that would enhance your plan.

Passacaglia, I will send in an arrest order around 1 p.m. I would wait until then before you send in yours. Since I have to send mine in early, you may want to wait to see what develops as get closer to deadline. But don't wait too long--I want to be sure we have two candidates tomorrow.

I am still open to arrest targets. I am leaning toward follwoing Narcizo's plan at the moment.

[Chief Rum]

Well, at least you've got a theory. I'd point out that on day 1 nobody knew what the services did or how they worked, so it would have been quite a cunning play on my part to figure that bid would get me a free kill and then go for it, especially with only moderate wealth early in the game.

For the record, I believe (not positive) that I bid on the priest/philosopher role on day 1.

Not saying that my theory is correct or that you're wrong, but realize that there was a Tarq-led sword kill on Day Two, meaning someone got him as a Tarq and used him. So while it might be the cunning play, fact is, it happened. And I don't know that it couldn't have been you as much as anyone else.

Also, the Tarqs can communicate via PM, so they might have been more able to apply some group think to the roles and deduce what some of them might do. From the start, I certainly thought the warlord would be a role that would use weapons in some way (although I thought it might be defense/bodyguard), so I'm certain others would have thoughts along the same lines.

As for moderate wealth, that's the point of you being on the list. You and four others were about at the same wealth level, and everyone above you pretty much checked out from what we could tell, meaning it had to be one of you five who won the service.

Anyway, not trying to point the finger more at you, just explaining the reasoning there and how I'm not sure your objections to it are valid in light of that. BTW, did you say at the time that you bid on the philosopher?

[Tyrith]

CR, I forget, what service do you have?

[Chief Rum]

CR, I forget, what service do you have?

Narcizo, the lawyer. There was an error, and I was at first told I had ardent. That has since been clarified. We don't know who has ardent.

[Tyrith]

Narcizo, the lawyer. There was an error, and I was at first told I had ardent. That has since been clarified. We don't know who has ardent.

Then you can't clear Narcizo, can you? Or yourself...damn. This seems a little too cute, but I'll still trust it for now.

[path12]

post #162[/B];1437380]I've placed a bid with the priest.

BTW, did you say at the time that you bid on the philosopher?

I guess it was the priest, but yes, I did say who I bid on.

[path12]

Broke the tag on that, but it was post #162.

[Passacaglia]

If I didn't mention it, I won Balbus Senna.

Anyway, I'd like to hear from Autumn on arrest possibilities.

[path12]

BTW, there was a miscommunication. I apparently have the services of Narcizo, not ardent. So send the slaves to yourself anyway if you want. ;)

BTW, how did you get Narcizo? I thought I had more money than you.

[Narcizo]

Narcizo, the lawyer. There was an error, and I was at first told I had ardent. That has since been clarified. We don't know who has ardent.

Crap! After all that thought I put into it as well.

I don't have a helluva lot of time. Just do what you think is right. I trust you to come up with something. I think KWhit is the more guilty but if you want to look at path I suggest you scan and rearrest whichever one looks like they're going to win. With Ardent running loose there's no real way of knowing who's going to get an unwelcome boost to their votes so it might be a tie. In which case definitely scan and rearrest KWhit. And I still think Passa should arrest Ardent.

And, of course, whoever controls Ardent should scan me.

That's the best I can come up with. I'm sure you can think of a better solution. Gotta go. Hope to see you tomorrow.

[Autumn]

Anyway, not trying to point the finger more at you, just explaining the reasoning there and how I'm not sure your objections to it are valid in light of that. BTW, did you say at the time that you bid on the philosopher?

For what it's worth, my notes have Pathus losing the priest on day 1 bidding, so I assume he did tell us that back then.

[Autumn]

Point about path that is the big thing for me. He was one of the original five I pointed out as likely players to hire the sword killer on Day One (which killed Swaggs). And he was one of the top tier wealth players who could have taken Balbus Senna away from Ironhead.

He was the only player in position to do both.

So that's the primary evidence I know of against path, along with UTR theories and what not.

Ah, well that makes sense, I had forgotten about that. I think that's why I had him on my suspect list at some point. Seems a good avenue to investigate, although the number of bidding irregularities in this game is growing staggering. I dont' know if we're just not analyzing it correctly, or if the traitors are able to disrupt the bids somehow.

[Autumn]

My arrest suggestions would be Anxietus and Ardentus. Ardentus has been under some suspicion for the whole game. It doesn't seem the Tarq's are going to kill him, so we have to either trust him the entire game or be willing to arrest a lawyer.

Anxietus is still my main suspect, he's slipped out once. If we wait until tomorrow to consider rearresting him, that's that much longer he's out bidding.

Other than them I don't know who else I would consider. The rest of y'all are either semi-trusted by me or neutral. That's why I would pick those two. Anxietus for sure, and who else other than Ardentus?

[Autumn]

So we still don't know who has Ardentus, or the swordsman, or one of the bodyguards. And we still haven't heard from a lot of people. I guess hopefully they'll be on in the evening. I think the plan of agreeing to bids would have worked better except so many people don't come in and speak until the last minute and then we don't have time to work anything out. I don't know whether to be suspicious of those who are not around/quiet or just figure that's life.

[Chief Rum]

BTW, how did you get Narcizo? I thought I had more money than you.

I thought you had more money than me, too. I was pretty surprised to get a lawyer where I was. I thought I was submitting a backup bid.

As noted, it's another one of those bidding iiregularities we're seeing. Not sure what to amke of that.

[Chief Rum]

If I didn't mention it, I won Balbus Senna.

Anyway, I'd like to hear from Autumn on arrest possibilities.

Sned Balbus to someone you have a lot of doubts on. Always possible a conversion works both ways (although unlikely, and that's even essuming Balbus has conversion abilities).

[Chief Rum]

Passacaglia, I am going to arrest from the following list of players tonight.

Anxiety
MrWednesday
Tyrith

So pick someone outside of that group.

VOTE EXECUTE KWHIT

We're at the point where we have to throw everyone off of the rock to determine who is who and what is real. The case against KWhit isn't that strong, but it's not weak either. There seems to be contrarian evidence pointing both ways. And you could say that about a lot of high end people, like Anxiety and ardent, as well.

We don't learn anything otherwise.

I'm not saying right now what I have decided to do with Narcizo the lawyer, but I have decided.

I will be leaving for the day and won't be back until after the deadline. Hopefully, we get some people to fess up to having the sword killer or ardent. And if ardent's customer is out there, please scan Narcizo. Thanks.

[Abe Sargent]

My arrest suggestions would be Anxietus and Ardentus. Ardentus has been under some suspicion for the whole game. It doesn't seem the Tarq's are going to kill him, so we have to either trust him the entire game or be willing to arrest a lawyer.

Anxietus is still my main suspect, he's slipped out once. If we wait until tomorrow to consider rearresting him, that's that much longer he's out bidding.

Other than them I don't know who else I would consider. The rest of y'all are either semi-trusted by me or neutral. That's why I would pick those two. Anxietus for sure, and who else other than Ardentus?

That would be a bad duo to arrest, I think. I have cleared AE of previous wrongdoing with a scan. Why arrest us both? WHne you ckill me and see I was right all along, then you have wasted a day with AE and not allow him to do stuff, since he is wealthy. Beside,s you know that you are going to arres tme, and then vote me off, it's fated. Why drag along AE? In fact, why even bother arresting anybody else at all?

[Mr. Wednesday]

As far as I know, and I should probably confirm this, I do not have any services.

I don't personally feel that arresting me would be fruitful, but unfortunately I don't have a personal history to fall back on. I don't even know, at this point, what mistakes my predecessors have made.

[Autumn]

OK, can I get a quick recap of notable events to date? I'll try to do some catching up this afternoon, but there's no way I'm plowing through 100 pages of material.

Oooh boy, that's a tall order. I'd say things are a muddle. We've yet to have a confirmed traitor, though I suspect we killed one of them. So we don't have much of an idea on numbers, though we've executed a number of presumably loyal Senators (the lawyers receive a guilt/innocence reveal after execution) and have had a number of Senators poisoned (either a traitor power, or a traitor use of a service). Three Senators have admitted to hiring the swordsman and having him kill Senators, ones they felt were disloyal but we don't get any reveal on those kills.

You'll have to read current events to get an idea of current suspects. Today our consuls need to arrest two more suspects, and we need to vote on whether to execute Pathus Twelveus or Kayus Whitus. You should also bid on one of the services, although your wealth probably won't get you far.

Your character has a very low history, so I imagine you'll be neutral on most people's radar.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, that should be, "I don't have a personal history to fall back on in arguing for my innocence."

[Autumn]

That would be a bad duo to arrest, I think. I have cleared AE of previous wrongdoing with a scan. Why arrest us both? WHne you ckill me and see I was right all along, then you have wasted a day with AE and not allow him to do stuff, since he is wealthy. Beside,s you know that you are going to arres tme, and then vote me off, it's fated. Why drag along AE? In fact, why even bother arresting anybody else at all?

Well your argument suggests its answer. If you were both bad, better to have you both in jail rather than outbidding people for services. Obviously, if either one of you is good it would be better not to arrest you but I don't have that ability.

And my other reasoning is that while I hold you as my highest suspect, it seems other people suspect Ardentus more. Tyrith at least was disappointed I arrested Kayus instead of Ardentus. This way we're covering both bases. I would hope, other evidence to the contrary, that we would vote to execute you (again) but I don't know that the group agrees.

And frankly, I don't know who my third choice would be.

[path12]

As far as I know, and I should probably confirm this, I do not have any services.

I don't personally feel that arresting me would be fruitful, but unfortunately I don't have a personal history to fall back on. I don't even know, at this point, what mistakes my predecessors have made.


Your predecessors I believe don't have 5 posts between the two of them, so you've got pretty much a clean slate right now.

[Abe Sargent]

How about this, then Autumn. I know AE is cleared. I don't want the tarqs to win. Do you? Either you are a tarq and you want to be seen as trying to win, or you are a republican and you want to win.


Arrest just me. Then there can be no lawyer tricks. I'll buy the sword killer guy, so no one gets killed by him. Everybody kiils, me, sees that I am smooth as butter of a bald monkey, and then uses that info. Doesn;t that seem fair?

[Tyrith]

How about this, then Autumn. I know AE is cleared. I don't want the tarqs to win. Do you? Either you are a tarq and you want to be seen as trying to win, or you are a republican and you want to win.


Arrest just me. Then there can be no lawyer tricks. I'll buy the sword killer guy, so no one gets killed by him. Everybody kiils, me, sees that I am smooth as butter of a bald monkey, and then uses that info. Doesn;t that seem fair?

There's certainly a logic to this. Could possibly be a stall for time, and we might need to sex slave AE...but there's logic to it.

[Tyrith]

Expanding on that:

It seems like there is at least a chance CR sent in an order for someone other than Anxiety. If that's the case we'd have an actual run off. However, doesn't seem like it.

However, the mere offer of this doesn't serve as any kind of proof for clearing him...we either have to counter the argument, come up with something better, or call his offer, I feel.

However, KWhit coming up good doesn't in and of itself clear Anxiety which in turn doesn't clear AE...but Anxiety is the next logical step in that chain.

[Grammaticus]

What is the talley on the votes?

[Grammaticus]

Anxiety, how do you know AE is cleared? Are you relying on the lawyer investigation of no evidence of wrong doing?

[Grammaticus]

Dola, that should be, "I don't have a personal history to fall back on in arguing for my innocence."

Good luck trying to catch up on all the freaking posts.

[path12]

Arrest just me. Then there can be no lawyer tricks. I'll buy the sword killer guy, so no one gets killed by him. Everybody kiils, me, sees that I am smooth as butter of a bald monkey, and then uses that info. Doesn;t that seem fair?

You can't bid if you're arrested, right? I know I can't today.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Theory #2 is that only one Tarq had the ability to poison.
That's certainly reasonable from the meta-gaming point of view, although I can see some meta-issues.

[Autumn]

How about this, then Autumn. I know AE is cleared. I don't want the tarqs to win. Do you? Either you are a tarq and you want to be seen as trying to win, or you are a republican and you want to win.

Arrest just me. Then there can be no lawyer tricks. I'll buy the sword killer guy, so no one gets killed by him. Everybody kiils, me, sees that I am smooth as butter of a bald monkey, and then uses that info. Doesn't that seem fair?

1. I don't see how this avoids lawyer tricks. If you were successfully defended you might get off again.

2. If both you and AE were bad, or if there are some other bad guy bidding tricks up your sleeve AE or someone else could get the sword killer anyway.

If everybody in the Senate is agreed that they're going to execute you tomorrow, then perhaps this makes sense. But seems rather a large gamble to take to only arrest one person. We made that mistake many times in the beginning of this game. We could learn something between now and tomorrow night that either clears you or condemns AE. If so, our hands would be tied and our time wasted.

It's a noble offer, but it seems to have a lot of loopholes to it, and the only advantage I see being that Ardentus is free to bid tomorrow. What do others think? I don't think we've heard who Passus Calligus is planning on arresting anyway.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Good luck trying to catch up on all the freaking posts.

I went from page 90, which gives me the end of yesterday plus all of today. It's going to have to do...