Werewolf XLV - ROME! (Game over, post 3425)

[Tyrith]

KWhit, the problem with you being a target is that it allows the bad guys to play a bit of a mind game with us. If they DON'T kill you, then the first step is because you're a bad guy -- so far you've acted like a good guy, more or less, but we don't have any concrete PROOF so far. So while I'm fairly certain you're a good guy -- the Cicero of our little WW Rome, perhaps? -- we can't be sure, and if you stay alive it brings up questions. Same thing that oftentimes happens when bad guys try to discredit seers, and without allegiance revealed on death the whole psychological warfare thing gets taken a step further.

[KWhit]

And since we don't get to find out what role everyone else is playing when they die, I'd rather have people ALIVE.

Vote to FREE ITC.

THAT IS NOT TRUE.

The lawyers can tell what allegiance a player is upon death.

[Tyrith]

VOTE ELECT HOOPSGUY

In case I forget to do it for the rest of the day. I will be out from around 5 CST until around deadline, so I'll just get it in now.

[Grammaticus]

I'm still catching up. But I just want to point out that if the traitors got a consul position, wouldn't it make more sense to arrest a loyal Senator than to not arrest anyone?

I initially thought the same thing. But then somebody (I think Chief Rum) indicated that with 2 candidates it would be hard to get a kill (maybe Kwhit brought that up). So a Tarq may want to deliver one candidate rather than 2 in order to ensure there was not a need to get 13 votes on one candidate when votes are split between 2 senators. With just one, the chance of a lynch could be higher. Not sure if that is the soundest approach for a Tarq to make or not, but it does make sense.

Also, with just one candidate, there is less of a true voting record to make. As Republicans, it is to our benefit and increases our chances to win the game by lynching. Every turn we do not lynch someone, our changes of winning the game are reduced, because the Tarqs would get thier kill each night. They are 100% sure to hit a Republican, so the longer we wait, the they get closer to winning each turn. When we lynch, we have a chance to kill a Tarq and as the numbers decrase our chances of hitting a Tarq increase. As the days proceed we establish patterns and try to use new information to make our lynch decisions better.

I really think the consuls need to talk about who they are arresting as that is how we are presented with who to lynch. I think people who are open and willing to engage in pulling ideas from the group should be considered for Consulship and not those who are not open to discussion or are prone to just deciding who they want.

[Autumn]

I initially thought the same thing. But then somebody (I think Chief Rum) indicated that with 2 candidates it would be hard to get a kill (maybe Kwhit brought that up). So a Tarq may want to deliver one candidate rather than 2 in order to ensure there was not a need to get 13 votes on one candidate when votes are split between 2 senators. With just one, the chance of a lynch could be higher. Not sure if that is the soundest approach for a Tarq to make or not, but it does make sense.

But that assumes that both consuls are traitors. If only one is, and they do not arrest someone, then yes they are increasing the chances for an execution, but without control over who's being executed. I don't think I'd take that chance if I was a traitor, but I suppose it's possible.

I really think the consuls need to talk about who they are arresting as that is how we are presented with who to lynch. I think people who are open and willing to engage in pulling ideas from the group should be considered for Consulship and not those who are not open to discussion or are prone to just deciding who they want.

I agree. I'd like to vote for two people who will listen to the group about who to arrest, and who do not already play a prominent role.

[KWhit]

I initially thought the same thing. But then somebody (I think Chief Rum) indicated that with 2 candidates it would be hard to get a kill (maybe Kwhit brought that up).

I'm the one who brought that up.


So a Tarq may want to deliver one candidate rather than 2 in order to ensure there was not a need to get 13 votes on one candidate when votes are split between 2 senators. With just one, the chance of a lynch could be higher. Not sure if that is the soundest approach for a Tarq to make or not, but it does make sense.

But there are 2 Consuls. And they don't know who the other one is going to arrest. So it would be a BAD IDEA for a Tarq to not arrest someone and just hope that the other Consul would arrest a loyal roman. What if the other Consul arrested a Tarq? Then there would only be one choice - a Tarq! That wouldn't be very good strategy at all.

Unless you think that me and BK are both Tarqs. In which case, we'd (presumably) be able to coordinate who each other would arrest. It makes much more sense for 2 Tarqs to choose to arrest 2 good guys and let everyone battle it out over them. Either way, the strategic play for a Tarq is NOT to miss a chance to make an arrest.

[Autumn]

I guess right now I'm hoping to hear from Dodgerus Chickus and Marcus Vaughnus. If all three of the Wealthiest will agree to bidding openly for services we want them to, I would be willing to vote to free Imus, and see if he cooperates. Without the other two's cooperation though, I'm not sure it makes sense to free Imus Thecrewus. I have no particular reason to think he is a traitor though, so I'd rather do the "scared straight" routine and get him to purchase services for us and remain active.

[ImTheCrew]

Crew, you haven't bid on services. You haven't been involved with lawsuits. You've had a potentially powerful position in the game (one of the two wealthiest as of today) and haven't used it to our advantage or communicated with people. There are reasons that Romans - they aren't all Tarqs, right? - are voting for you to be kicked off the cliff.

For better or worse (I think better) Werewolf is a community game, which implies that you work as part of the bigger whole.

Are you going to have an interest in doing this going forward? Are you going to have availability to do so in coming days?

I'm not wild that you are the only choice we have here today (same as yesterday, for all practical purposes) but given that we do have the option what kind of defense can you offer other than "I'm good, KWhit is bad"?

I know i havent used my role to our advantage at all because of the fact i was confused day 0 and day 1 and day 2 i sent my pm to late..... but like i said earlier i will do anything/ buy any services the majority of the people select to prove im good

[Autumn]

I'd like to ask our consuls to arrest Marcus Vaughnus for certain unless we hear from him later today. Perhaps he's just simply not playing, but then again perhaps he's using services as a traitor quietly.

Someone had posted a suggestion of also aresting a poorer member. That seems reasonable to me, to avoid perhaps playing into the traitors' hands. I don't have any strong suspects there though. It seems the people at that end of the spectrum have been fairly active, and while I have suspicions at some, no evidence to execute them by.

I guess I would perhaps arrest Lonestarus Girlus with the other arrest. It could be hurting our cause by taking out these wealthy folks, but I'd prefer to have active, seemingly trustworthy, candidates up there. If they're traitors they'll have a harder time creating an alibi if we know what services they've won.

[ImTheCrew]

dola-

would i come out and say i havent purchased any services, that play sounds like a tarq to me? i just dont understand how two people sent in the same name for one reason because i am UTR and not even the most UTR player if you wanted a wealthy UTR player i think Marcus Vaughnus would be a better choice for atleast one(barkeep & kwhit) of the two to chose

[ImTheCrew]

VOTE NARZICO FOR CONSUL
VOTE HOOPSGUY FOR CONSUL

and of course

FREE IMTHECREW

[Abe Sargent]

I'll be catching up with today in a few minutes.

[Abe Sargent]

Hopefully I won;t do one of those "Build a case against Blade when he's already been day killed and revealed as the seer."

[Autumn]

I'll do my own legwork if I have to, but does anyone have a current vote count?

[KWhit]

Hopefully I won;t do one of those "Build a case against Blade when he's already been day killed and revealed as the seer."

Heh.

[Abe Sargent]

And either hoops or CR would be fine by me for the second position. Hoops is always a little scary in a position of power, but if he's good he'd be a great asset in power.

In my catching up, I'd definatly back CR, and not because he voted for me either. He solid, smart, and stock.

[Abe Sargent]

There are few players I have a good level of trust about, but it makes sense to vote that way for consul. At first blush I would vote for Ironus Headus, who seems to have been very open about the services he's used, and seems to be in the clear. For a second vote I would support either Coffeeus Warlordus, who also seems to have been open and seems trustworthy to me, or possibly Schmidtyus Schmidtyus whose "slipup" seemed genuine and leaned me towards trusting him.

I won't vote yet as I want to see who's interested in running, and what other people's thoughts are, as well as if anyone has managed to turn up any new information through services.

I second Ironhead as a good choice. Let me see what else is ahppening, but i like Ironhead and CR.

[Abe Sargent]

Caught up, finally.

Anyway. That was about 25 pages worth of NOTHING.

Vote Narcizo as Consul
Vote Dodgerchick as Consul

And since we don't get to find out what role everyone else is playing when they die, I'd rather have people ALIVE.

Vote to FREE ITC.



Am I alone in continuing to get a bad vibe off N_C?

[Abe Sargent]

THAT IS NOT TRUE.

The lawyers can tell what allegiance a player is upon death.

If I were a tarq, with that info out there, I would do everythinhg possible t get two of my guys in the lawyers roles. Do that, and you can dictate the rest of te game.

[Coffee Warlord]

Am I alone in continuing to get a bad vibe off N_C?

He sort of just...pops in here and there, says a few things, and vanishes.

[Neon_Chaos]

Am I alone in continuing to get a bad vibe off N_C?

Perhaps.

All I gots is good vibes. :cool:

[Abe Sargent]

Vote Chief Rum and Ironhead as Consuls

[Neon_Chaos]

He sort of just...pops in here and there, says a few things, and vanishes.

*pop* "A Few Things." *vanish*

[KWhit]

He sort of just...pops in here and there, says a few things, and vanishes.

Yes, and he seems to have missed the fact that lawyers can tell what faction a dead guy was in.

[Autumn]

If I were a tarq, with that info out there, I would do everythinhg possible t get two of my guys in the lawyers roles. Do that, and you can dictate the rest of te game.

True. All though it would be a craps shoot, not knowing who the replacement would be.

Ardentus was supposedly bodyguarded the night Swaggus was killed. But interesting that they didn't kill either of the lawyers the next night, going after Alanus instead.

[Neon_Chaos]

Yes, and he seems to have missed the fact that lawyers can tell what faction a dead guy was in.

That's true. I did miss it.

[Neon_Chaos]

I'm off to bed. Then to work. Then to read MORE and MORE pages of mundane text.

There are times when silence has the loudest voice.

[hoopsguy]

Going to add a couple of more suits against people who I don't know how I measure up against - looking for a little more clarity in the pecking order.

HOOPUS GUYUS SUES SALDANUS LATHUMUS
HOOPUS GUYUS SUES NARCIZUS LISPUS

Again, I'm happy to disclose complete findings that I have so far so others can run the numbers. But I haven't heard any discussion on the pros/cons of doing this since I offered it this morning.

[Autumn]

We still have not heard about some services used yesterday. Pathus Twelvus, I don't remember that you've mentioned who you used the legionnaire to protect? Could you tell us that?

I think taht we also don't know who used the lawyers, one of the horse traders, the political philosopher, the other legionnaire and who else?

I would like to hear from the loyal Senators who won these services and how they used them. Otherwise we have to assume the traitors are winning them.

[path12]

We still have not heard about some services used yesterday. Pathus Twelvus, I don't remember that you've mentioned who you used the legionnaire to protect? Could you tell us that?

Maximus Maximus protected our consul Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus yesterday.

[path12]

Dola, I was not successful in bids for today, so have no services available.

[st.cronin]

Current votes to execute Imus Thecrewus (13 needed to execute):

Ardent (1160), Narcizo (1168), KWhit (1245)

The following Senators have received support for the upcoming Consular Election:

Narcizus Lispus - 5
Chiefus Rumus - 3
Hoopus Guyus - 3
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus - 2
Abeus Anxietus - 1
Dodgeus Erchickus - 1

[Autumn]

Thanks.

[KWhit]

Yikes. Only 3 votes to execute so far.

[Autumn]

I don't want to repeat the experience we had with Bulletus Spongeus, and I hope that we can get Imus Thecrewus to start assisting our cause more. So I am going to vote

VOTE FREE IMUS THECREWUS

I do that with the intent that the freed senator will bid for a service we direct him to tomorrow, and provide evidence that he did so. I hope our other wealthy citizens will also assist in this.

As for consul, I'm a little wary of putting our eggs in one basket and electing a wealthy member. So Hoopus Guyus seems a good choice. I'm not certain of his loyalty but he hasn't given me bad vibes, and is wealth is ordinary. I do not have good feelings about Narcizus and Chiefus, but if either of them was willing to arrest as directed by the Senate, I would be willing to vote for them.

VOTE HOOPUS GUYUS FOR CONSUL

I would like to hear from our current consuls who they are thinking of arresting at this point.

I also think that outside of executing our inactive wealthy members, our best pursuit is to strip them of their wealth. So in that light:

I WILL SUE MARCUS VAUGHNUS
I WILL SUE LONESTARUS GIRLUS
I WILL SUE IMUS THECREWUS

Again, unless they start speaking up and becoming active I think we should either arrest Marcus and Lonestarus, or at least sue their pants off (figuratively).

[Lorena]

Okay, I haven't caught up but this is really irritating. I have not once... NOT ONCE missed a vote or bid for services and putting me high on the suspect list is really frustrating to read. I've been open with who I've hired and what came about.

For God's sakes someone scan me this is making me mad.

[Autumn]

I think if you keep reading you'll see that someone was mixing you up wtih Lonestar Girl

[Chief Rum]

Thanks for the support for consul, guys.

After some thought, I agree with KWhit and Barkeep that it wouldn't be in the wolves' best interest to not have people arrested, but I would still argue it's a strong negative mark against the both of them that we face another one person execution vote.

I am also leaning to believing the supposition that poisoning is indeed the wolves' primary kill weapon, and not linked to a service. I don't think st. cronin would make the mistake of leaving the wolves without an automatic nightly kill option. So that removes my theory of looking at the Day One service purchasers for a possible wolf (although it certainly doesn't clear them).

I see hoops' reasoning and that of others on not wanting to kill wealthy good senators, but as been said ad nauseum, what good is a wealthy senator who does nothing to help us? I don't regret for a second the bulletsponge execution. He did virtually nothing to help us, nor did he even do much to help himself avoid the execution.

I would be willing to give ITC a one day benefit of the doubt except he has failed to use his wealth even once since the game started. Are you kidding me? That's just awful.

EXECUTE IMTHECREW

I won't sleep any less over this either if it happens. If, however, as it looks like, he might live through this, ITC you had better guarantee you will use your wealth tonight and every night going forwatd, you must also contribute to our discussions and vote in every day's vote, whether you're involved or not--or my first arrest vote and execute vote every day will be for you. We can't afford anymore dallying. Either you're in or you're out. If you're in, be in and help us.

I strongly urge the arrest of LoneStarGirl and Marc Vaughan at this point. I would go for LSG first, as she is less wealthy and has a track record of sometimes disappearing like this or being less than helpful for stretches. MV doesn't have a tarck record yet and I still hold out hope he will soon join us here. Much like bullet and ITC, though, if you're wealthy and not helping us, you're against us, and in that case I believe removing them is in the best interest of the Republic.

For consuls, I will vote as follows:

ELECT CHIEF RUM CONSUL
ELECT NARCIZO CONSUL

Narcizo continues to be a voice of reason, and I think he would make an excellent consul. Also, we are often around at the same times, so we can coordinate our efforts.

As for myself, case already stated. This is also the best time for me to be consul, as the weekend is definitely when I can be more available at deadlines (in addition to generally).

I like Autumn's idea of trying to secure services ahead of time, and would recommend we try to get something going there before the deadline.

I will still be around for a little bit, but I will be going to work soon, so if I don't post again, good luck, everyone.

[Grammaticus]

GRAMMATICUS ATTICUS SUES THE FOLLOWING:

Lonstarus Girlus
Marcus Vaughnus
Mustangus
Neonus Chaosus
Imus Theus Crewus
Antmeisterus
Dodgerus Erchickus
Saldanusus
Ironus Headus

Jaywalking is the charge

[Chief Rum]

Okay, I haven't caught up but this is really irritating. I have not once... NOT ONCE missed a vote or bid for services and putting me high on the suspect list is really frustrating to read. I've been open with who I've hired and what came about.

For God's sakes someone scan me this is making me mad.

Posting on the fly instead of reading the whole thread == not good.

[Grammaticus]

As a poor Senator with no special abilities or roles, I will offer my services as Consul. I would ensure that I take into consideration what the collective group would like to see as far as arrests. Also, I would let you know who is being arrested. I also tend to trust hoops at this point in the game and think he will engage in discussion around arrests, therefore:

VOTE GRAMMATICUS ATTICUS FOR CONSUL

VOTE HOOPUS GUYUS FOR SECOND CONSUL

[st.cronin]

to execute (13 needed) - Ardent (1160), Narcizo (1168), KWhit (1245), Chief Rum (1288)

For Consul (made an error in my earlier post):

Narcizus Lispus - 6
Hoopus Guyus - 5
Chiefus Rumus - 4
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus - 2
Abeus Anxietus - 1
Dodgeus Erchickus - 1
Grammaticus - 1
Ironhead - 1

[Autumn]

I'm going to go ahead and vote for Narzicus for consul. I don't have a good read on the few contenders for that spot, and I suspect at least one of them to be a traitor, but Narzicus seems to have come to many of the same conclusions as me about players, which makes me think either he's loyal and we're both smart, or I have really really bad intuition.

VOTE NARZICUS LISPUS FOR CONSUL

I agree with Narzicus that it seems we have at least one very rich traitor, and so I'm loathe to let ITC go. Yet I have no particular reason to suspect him. I really wish someone had done some scanning yesterday. Is there really no loyal Senators with information to report???

[path12]

I'm going to go with my initial thoughts for consul:

VOTE CHIEFUS RUMUS FOR CONSUL
VOTE COFFEEUS YAKUS WARLORDUS FOR CONSUL

I may change my mind on ITC later, but for now VOTE EXECUTE IMUS THECREWUS

[Autumn]

And please, please, please, Barkeepus and Kayus Whitus, please tell me you both are going to be able to make arrests tonight, and that you will arrest different!! people??? Please?

[Coffee Warlord]

Okay, my girlfriend is gonna be over tonight, so my evening participation is going to be limited. To get my outstanding votes in...

Execute Imus The Crewus

If he's good, he's been of zero use to us. I frankly don't see any reason not to post a vote damning him, despite the fact it looks like he's gonna get off the hook.

Elect Coffeus Yakus Warlordius

As people are willing to support me, I'll support myself.

[Chief Rum]

I agree with Narzicus that it seems we have at least one very rich traitor, and so I'm loathe to let ITC go. Yet I have no particular reason to suspect him. I really wish someone had done some scanning yesterday. Is there really no loyal Senators with information to report???

Agreed. Someone needs to build up a list of Day Two services and list out what we know about who used them and how. I don't know that we have a comprehensive list yet. I would do it myself except I am bout to leave until after the deadline.

We have two lawyers who can do investigating (not at their own behest unfortunately), and I don't know that we have gotten any information out of their Day Two results. Who hired them and what did they have them do?

I still believe good lawyers will remain top targets for wolves. I would be surprised if both ardent and Schmidty survive the night without protection.

[hoopsguy]

I'm in agreement with Anxiety's earlier point on controlling the attorneys. Furthermore, if someone is thinking of hiring an attorney using them to scan the other attorney would make a great deal of sense. I believe there was a "scan one person" benefit to using the attorney, correct?

Other than that, I'm trying to interpret where the "seer" role may come into play in this game. I intuitively thought it would be the philosopher, but Schmidty indicated that he sent that person to prove his innocence, not to verify the innocence of his target.

I know that many of the loyal Romans are asking to be scanned, so just trying to work through how to make this happen.

[Antmeister]

Ok...caught up on some things.

First of all KWhit, where did I say that you didn't vote. I never said that. My problem was that you conveniently had a conditional vote and didn't bother to communicate either person to begin with. What I was implying is that you have improved your chances of only getting 1 person that we could all vote on. It bothers me that most of us can only choose one person to implicate

On top of that, you are heavily going into lawsuits to improve your status while you are serving as consul since you are immune to getting the vote during this period.

Of course, I can be going paranoid, but it seems strange to me that people are putting total trust in people when many of us don't have all the facts how everything works. That is all.

[hoopsguy]

I still believe good lawyers will remain top targets for wolves. I would be surprised if both ardent and Schmidty survive the night without protection.

For what little it is worth, Ardent was my initial thought for who to PM with the "horses". But I was concerned that the lawyers had a "seer" ability, as had already been mentioned. After learning post-deadline that they are able to identify faction info on the dead I see them as a very high-profile candidate. Certainly higher than the consuls, who only serve a two day term.

I wanted to communicate with Alan because 1.) I had a question I wanted to ask about his CW/BS selections while being more direct than I sometimes am with 25 other people reading 2.) I wanted to build on my trust of Alan as a guy who would be around frequently during the day when I am. In hindsight, I wish I had considered his Day 2 lawsuit success when making the decision.

I did not win any services yesterday. And I don't see being in a position to win services all that often coming from the bottom of the pile financially.

[Grammaticus]

The basic mechanic of werewolf dictates a must lynch to win for the village, except in the event of an end game scenario where skipping a turn increases your chance of hitting a wolf in a lynch or lose scenario. Based on that, I think we should lynch Imus Crewus. I would possibly waver if he had done something of value in the past, due to the constriction of the jail mechanic (which I hate). Rich or not, he is supposedly not even voting on services, which makes no sense. It is possible he has won some services and chose not to reveal. I don't know, but it is suspicious enough to cast doubt. If I had money I would buy stuff and try to help out. His lack of using his wealth means it is useless to us or that he is a Tarq and lieing.

LYNCH IMUS CREWUS

[Peregrine]

vote Narcizo for Consul

vote Execute Imthecrew

[Peregrine]

Crew, your inactivity and your statements haven't been helping your defense. Essentially, you may be loyal, but as one of the wealthiest people, you haven't done too much, and your statements haven't been very reassuring.

[Grammaticus]

For the Consuls,

Who do you plan to arrest tonight or who are your list of suspects? At least can each of you give us a "short list" that does not overlap? That way we can avoid a one candidate situation tomorrow.

[hoopsguy]

OK, working on recounting services with people for the last couple of days. Going from memory on these - searching through posts is getting more daunting by the hour - so please chime in with corrections as needed.

I'm leaving Day 3 off for now, as those services won't show up until the end of the day here. But for the stuff that has already transpired, here is what I have:

Day 1:
Gallus Clarus, ex-legionnaire (Ardent)
Titus Ludius, ex-legionnaire (Bullet)
Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves
Animus Sentus, person rumored to be affiliated with the Priesthood (Ironhead)
Furius Lucius, former warlord of Gaul, enslaved and now freed
Lexus Postus, owner of many horses (Alan)
Blakus Fortunatus, owner of many horses (Anxiety)
Swaggus Swaggus (Coffee)
Ardentus Enthusiastus (Dodgerchick)

Day 2:
Maximus Maximus, ex-legionnaire
Vitus Avidus, ex-legionnaire
Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves
Macro Gothicus, barbarian turned citizen for his service during wartime (Ironhead)
Balbus Senna, political philosopher from Corsica (Schmidty)
Faustus Felix, owner of many horses (Hoops)
Bonus Oceanus, owner of many horses
Swaggus Swaggus
Ardentus Enthusiastus

[KWhit]

I'm going to arrest LoneStarGirlus. She was the other half of my conditional arrest that didn't go through last night. And I have heard her name suggested a few times by others today. So that's who I'm going to go with. She has wealth, but has been AWOL, so we can't count on her to bid where we want her to (if we end up employing that strategy).

[Grammaticus]

Personally, I think jailing quite players is a good methodology when no other reasons are presented. Those folks are leaving the smallest trail for scrutiny in the future. If someone is not willing to cast a vote or offer any opinion, why not jail them? Historical experience in these games shows there is always one or more wolves in the quite bunch. When you got nothin better to go on......

[KWhit]

This is for Barkeep:

I'm going to arrest LoneStarGirlus.


:D



Just having a little fun.

[Lorena]

Okay, I haven't caught up but this is really irritating. I have not once... NOT ONCE missed a vote or bid for services and putting me high on the suspect list is really frustrating to read. I've been open with who I've hired and what came about.

For God's sakes someone scan me this is making me mad.

I think if you keep reading you'll see that someone was mixing you up wtih Lonestar Girl

Yeah sorry about that. I have a quick temper and sometimes I post things too quickly before thinking things through.

So what's the purpose of this game? To be the wealthiest person standing or getting rid of the Tarqs? Mine of course is getting rid of Tarqs and it's to the Rebublic's best interest to not arrest me as you would lose a valuable member of the community.

Having said that, I'm getting my lawsuits on.

Dodgus Erickus sues Marcus Vaughnus
Dodgus Erickus sues Coffeus Yakus Warlordus
Dodgus Erickus sues Narcizus Lispus
Dodgus Erickus sues Autumnus Leavus
Dodgus Erickus sues Chiefus Rumus
Dodgus Erickus sues Peregrinus Barbarus
Dodgus Erickus sues Grammus Atticus

vote free imthecrew

Although I'm a little confused as to why he hasn't used his wealth to the benefit of the Republic, I'm willing to give him a second chance so he can prove himself.

vote hoops for counsel
vote autumn for counsel

Both have solid analysis and I'm going under the assumption that they're both villagers; I'm sure one of them will be cleared soon.

[Schmidty]

Ok, I just woke up, and am about to go eat some lunch and run some errands. I should be back around 4 p.m. PST. I won't have a lot of time to spend online before the deadline though, as my wife is off today, and will likely want me to do chores and crap.

[KWhit]

Vote Elect Hoopsguy Consul.

[Lorena]

This is for Barkeep:

I'm going to arrest LoneStarGirlus.


:D



Just having a little fun.

I'm sorry Kwhit I couldn't read that... can you make it just a tad bigger, k thx :p

[Lorena]

Ok, I just woke up, and am about to go eat some lunch and run some errands. I should be back around 4 p.m. PST. I won't have a lot of time to spend online before the deadline though, as my wife is off today, and will likely want me to do chores and crap.

Yeah but are you actually gonna do them?

[hoopsguy]

There have been a couple of people who have talked about coordinating the service bids today. I'll run a list of these with what I think are good choices if that is interesting to people. In truth, I think this is challenging given the lack of activity from some of our wealthier citizens.

[KWhit]

I don't understand why everyone is voting to save ITC.

He's as good of a suspect as any we have right now (which isn't saying much, I know), and has not been doing anything to help the cause - no bidding on services, no insight into the game, very very few posts for us to analyze and try to gauge his faction....

I just don't get it right now. At some point, we're going to have to vote to kill somebody (yes, I know we're 0 for 1, but I am worried about letting another day go by with no lynch).

[Autumn]

OK, working on recounting services with people for the last couple of days. Going from memory on these - searching through posts is getting more daunting by the hour - so please chime in with corrections as needed.

I'm leaving Day 3 off for now, as those services won't show up until the end of the day here. But for the stuff that has already transpired, here is what I have:

Day 1:
Gallus Clarus, ex-legionnaire (Ardent)
Titus Ludius, ex-legionnaire (Bullet)
Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves
Animus Sentus, person rumored to be affiliated with the Priesthood (Ironhead)
Furius Lucius, former warlord of Gaul, enslaved and now freed
Lexus Postus, owner of many horses (Alan)
Blakus Fortunatus, owner of many horses (Anxiety)
Swaggus Swaggus (Coffee)
Ardentus Enthusiastus (Dodgerchick)

Day 2:
Maximus Maximus, ex-legionnaire
Vitus Avidus, ex-legionnaire
Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves
Macro Gothicus, barbarian turned citizen for his service during wartime (Ironhead)
Balbus Senna, political philosopher from Corsica (Schmidty)
Faustus Felix, owner of many horses (Hoops)
Bonus Oceanus, owner of many horses
Swaggus Swaggus
Ardentus Enthusiastus

I have also

Day 2:

Durus Pimpus (Dodgerchick)
Maximums Maximus (Path12)

[Tyrith]

Hoops, I bought the other horse guy on Day 2.

ITC...again, you haven't given us any reason to let you live. That's too bad, but we can't win by not lynching people.

VOTE EXECUTE ITC

[Peregrine]

I think it's time for a few lawsuits from me.

Peregrinus sues Grammaticus
Peregrinus sues Schmidtyus

[Lorena]

I don't understand why everyone is voting to save ITC.

He's as good of a suspect as any we have right now (which isn't saying much, I know), and has not been doing anything to help the cause - no bidding on services, no insight into the game, very very few posts for us to analyze and try to gauge his faction....

I just don't get it right now. At some point, we're going to have to vote to kill somebody (yes, I know we're 0 for 1, but I am worried about letting another day go by with no lynch).

You're right

unvote free imthecrew
vote throw imthecrew off the cliff

It's a beautiful day out here and I'm taking the kids for a walk and will probably take a nap shortly after that before I go in to work. I'm definitely sending my PM to cronin before deadline though.

[Peregrine]

I don't understand why everyone is voting to save ITC.

He's as good of a suspect as any we have right now (which isn't saying much, I know), and has not been doing anything to help the cause - no bidding on services, no insight into the game, very very few posts for us to analyze and try to gauge his faction....

I just don't get it right now. At some point, we're going to have to vote to kill somebody (yes, I know we're 0 for 1, but I am worried about letting another day go by with no lynch).

Kwhit, I think if you look at the people who have been voting to save him, many/most of them are from the UTR or suspicious lot themselves. Just saying, is all.

[Lorena]

There have been a couple of people who have talked about coordinating the service bids today. I'll run a list of these with what I think are good choices if that is interesting to people. In truth, I think this is challenging given the lack of activity from some of our wealthier citizens.

That would help big time hoops.

[Autumn]

I don't understand why everyone is voting to save ITC.

He's as good of a suspect as any we have right now (which isn't saying much, I know), and has not been doing anything to help the cause - no bidding on services, no insight into the game, very very few posts for us to analyze and try to gauge his faction....

I just don't get it right now. At some point, we're going to have to vote to kill somebody (yes, I know we're 0 for 1, but I am worried about letting another day go by with no lynch).

I'm on the fence. I held to the line with Bulletus, and we saw how that went. I feel Imus has offered what defense he could. It's meager, but it's not like we could expect more from him. I consider it possible that he just didn't participate much, and we're just lowering the loyal numbers by executing him. Then again, as you say we have to execute to have any chance to execute a traitor, and there's some chance we'd catch one here. We have to get some good luck eventually.

I'm still hoping to hear from whoever hired the lawyers, as well as from Marcus and Lonestarus. I may change my vote to an execute at some point this evening.

[Autumn]

Hoops, I bought the other horse guy on Day 2.

ITC...again, you haven't given us any reason to let you live. That's too bad, but we can't win by not lynching people.

VOTE EXECUTE ITC

And what use did you make of the horses? Excuse me if you've already said and I missed it.

[hoopsguy]

Services are determined first. Players in jail may not bid on services.

So that means that ITC can't bid today. That means that Dodgerchickus can get whatever service she wants today - Marc Vaughn was the person who replaced Bullet and there was not significant money movement for either of these two in lawsuits yesterday. And until proven otherwise, we can't count on MV to be available so I'm not going to list him either.

Dodgerchick:
1st choice: Marco Gothicus (kill by sword)
2nd choice: Maximus Maximus (bodyguard)
3rd choice: Ardentus Enthusiastus (attorney) - have already used once, would like to distribute these roles for cross-vouch purposes

Next group - LSG has been largely removed, so I'll list four people here. I'll list them in order of trust/vouching from others as best I can interpret it: KWhit, Warlord, Ironhead, Schmidty. From where I sit, there is not a sky-high level of concern over any of these four.

KWhit:
1st choice: Schmidtyus Schmidtyus (attorney)
2nd choice: Vitus Avidus (bodyguard)
3rd choice: Marco Gothicus (kill by sword)

His trust level is universally high, he has the ability to move up economically. Least likely person to lie about data from attorney if he was a wolf in the game as his position is too strong to surrender in 1:1.

Coffee Warlord:
1st choice: Durus Pimpus (block action)
2nd choice: Marco Gothicus (kill by sword)
3rd choice: Balbus Senna (proves innocence to another?)

I don't think bodyguard need is as high here, and has already used the attorney once. So take a shot at blocking someone he suspects - I'm guessing/hoping this has a chance to stop poison attack as well (100% speculation).

Ironhead:
1st choice: Balbus Senna (proves innocent to another?)
2nd choice: Marco Gothicus (kill by sword)
3rd choice: Durus Pimpus (block action)

Cross-vouch on nebulous role by someone who has already provided good role information earlier in game.

Schmidty:
1st choice: Ardentus Enthusiastus (attorney)
2nd choice: Vitus Avidus (bodyguard)
3rd choice: Faustus Felix (send message)

Check out his fellow attorney, with backup options for protection or communication.

Going down to the next group it is harder to break out the levels of wealth. So I won't. I left the bodyguards, which I feel are more interesting for the Romans than for the Tarqs. Sure they would like to have fewer bodyguards to dodge, but unless they lock both of them up the threat is still out there.
Similarly I left the horses, which are not inherently as powerful as the other roles.

I listed multiple actions for people so as not to lock them in on choices - it is their role and they should have some freedom with it. But we clearly do not want the double kill to fall to the Tarqs and would prefer to lock up the attorneys for seer scans.

[Grammaticus]

Coordinating services sounds like a sound strategy at this point.

Unfortunately I can't win squat, but will place a back up bid where needed.

[hoopsguy]

Path - any harm in telling us how you used the guard on Day 2?

Tyrith - same question that Autumn asked.

I'm bummed if both attorneys were not hired on Day 2.

[hoopsguy]

I don't understand why everyone is voting to save ITC.

He's as good of a suspect as any we have right now (which isn't saying much, I know), and has not been doing anything to help the cause - no bidding on services, no insight into the game, very very few posts for us to analyze and try to gauge his faction....

I just don't get it right now. At some point, we're going to have to vote to kill somebody (yes, I know we're 0 for 1, but I am worried about letting another day go by with no lynch).

I'll throw out an idea on this - because we have nothing suggesting that the Tarqs can convert based on services so far. So if we can secure their 2nd kill option, we can really slow their progress in killing Romans while trying to build a legitimate trust list. We have two attorneys a day and a Philosopher every other day to do this. At some point we are actually going to catch somebody.

I'm not going to shed a tear if we remove ITC from the board based on his non-actions so far but the above thought has been rumbling around my mind all day.

[Grammaticus]

Path - any harm in telling us how you used the guard on Day 2?

Tyrith - same question that Autumn asked.

I'm bummed if both attorneys were not hired on Day 2.

Here is what Path said about his BG placement:


Maximus Maximus protected our consul Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus yesterday.

[Autumn]

Hoopus Guyus,

My fear is that if we don't lock down what each person is bidding for, it will leave enough confusion that a traitor could exploit to squirm out of the spotlight. Let's say Dodgerus and Kayus decide to both bid for Gothicus. Then Kayus would claim to have lost a bid, and we wouldn't know whether he did, or whether he had done something else with his move.

I'm fine with arranging the matchups any which way, but I'd like to make it as clear as possible. Even among presumably trustworthy people we've had a lot of mixups.

[Grammaticus]

Grammaticus Atticus sues Perigrinus

Loitering is the charge

[Autumn]

Also, one more thing before I go to dinner. If we ignore Markus Vaughnus and Lonestargirlus, what happens if they actually bid, particularly if they are traitors? That could confuse things. Not any plan of action, just a concern.

[hoopsguy]

Autumn, I understand your point. But it isn't entirely my right to dictate their choices to them. I just tried to lay out some logic of what I think is the "greater good" mixed with what I perceive to be personally beneficial.

Even if we lock stuff down, there is a chance we are ordering a wealthy Tarq to assume a service that benefits them. I guess I kind of realize that I can't control this, but may be able to influence it, so that is reflected in my approach.

I'm hoping this drives discussion, not only among us but also among the people who have first crack at the services. They can coordinate amongst themselves publicly if they think it is to their advantage.

[Grammaticus]

Hoopus Guyus,

My fear is that if we don't lock down what each person is bidding for, it will leave enough confusion that a traitor could exploit to squirm out of the spotlight. Let's say Dodgerus and Kayus decide to both bid for Gothicus. Then Kayus would claim to have lost a bid, and we wouldn't know whether he did, or whether he had done something else with his move.

I'm fine with arranging the matchups any which way, but I'd like to make it as clear as possible. Even among presumably trustworthy people we've had a lot of mixups.

I don't see a huge weak spot in nailing it down to the individual. That way we can confirm who bid for what by results the next day. Only downside is the wolves could kill whoever they want to target for services. But if we have covered the backup bids too, it would be hard for them to use a service against us without us being able to pinpoint the culprit.

[Grammaticus]

Autumn, I understand your point. But it isn't entirely my right to dictate their choices to them. I just tried to lay out some logic of what I think is the "greater good" mixed with what I perceive to be personally beneficial.

Even if we lock stuff down, there is a chance we are ordering a wealthy Tarq to assume a service that benefits them. I guess I kind of realize that I can't control this, but may be able to influence it, so that is reflected in my approach.

I'm hoping this drives discussion, not only among us but also among the people who have first crack at the services. They can coordinate amongst themselves publicly if they think it is to their advantage.

I don't think it is dictating it. Everyone will have to agree in order to make it work anyway. If we don't work together as a team, then we will not be as successful.

[path12]

Path - any harm in telling us how you used the guard on Day 2?


Already mentioned it earlier, but I had him guard Barkeep.

[hoopsguy]

How in the world am I only 7th in total posts in this thread? :confused::p

[Tyrith]

I'm not going to reveal who I talked to with the horse ability until after the day ends today and they have the chance to respond.

[st.cronin]

Passus Caglius is replacing Marcus Vaughnus

[Tyrith]

Good, maybe by the time day 5 is over we'll be able to be done with this anti UTR crusade.

[Passacaglia]

Hius allus! Sorry I've been quiet. Catching up, but I'll check in here, too. Can someone help summarize our situation?

[DaddyTorgo]

and i'm around. Wonder how much I missed in the day...

[SnDvls]

Hius allus! Sorry I've been quiet. Catching up, but I'll check in here, too. Can someone help summarize our situation?

I'm dead, Swaggs is dead, AlanT is dead...I think Bullet is dead too...anyone I missed?

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE ELECT HOOPSGUY CONSUL

that was easy and i'm not even all caught up

[Passacaglia]

I guess I meant from the living -- what are the major controversies, and what are the arguments for each side?

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE NARCIZIO CONSUL

he's a damm good villager

[Poli]

Ardent catch up post. When I get here, I know I got here. Back to catching up.

[Poli]

VOTE ELECT AE. I'm still some 75 posts behind, but I'm throwing it out there.

[Poli]

The courts will hear these two cases today, in an emergency session. People will just have to work overtime. Apologies for the oversight.
So how much am I getting paid?

[Poli]

THAT IS NOT TRUE.

The lawyers can tell what allegiance a player is upon death.
QFT.

[saldana]

elect hoopus guyus and coffeeus yakus warlordus to consul

vote chuck Imusthecrewus off the rockus

[Poli]

Hmm.

ELECT HOOPUS GUYUS CONSUL

If CW wasn't so paranoid of me, he'd probably have my vote.

Autumn was actually my 2nd choice behind hoopus.

[Abe Sargent]

There have been a couple of people who have talked about coordinating the service bids today. I'll run a list of these with what I think are good choices if that is interesting to people. In truth, I think this is challenging given the lack of activity from some of our wealthier citizens.

I already have my sex slave target :)

[Abe Sargent]

Alright, time to toss somone off the rocksies. Gotta start sooner or later.

Vote to see if ITC can fly

[Peregrine]

My current vote count (based on st. cronin's last post)

Looks like we're up to 11 of 13 needed to execute.


Current votes to execute Imus Thecrewus (13 needed to execute):

Ardent (1160), Narcizo (1168), KWhit (1245), Chief Rum (1288), Path12 (1294), Grammaticus (1301), Peregrine (1302), Tyrith (1317), Dodgerchick (1319), Saldana (1350), Anxiety (1353)

[path12]

Out for awhile. Hope to be back before deadline but it'll be iffy.

[Barkeep49]

Ok my list of potential arrests are coming from the following list of three:

Lonestargirl: She normally is quite out there with her attempts to make sense of the game. I've seen no such struggle here.

Peregrine: Granted he hasn't played in a long time, but I've found his analysis somewhat weak compared to what I remember him capable of doing.

Antmeister: Has been pretty quiet and what little analysis seems flawed (casting doubt on KWhit? What's up with that?). Sure he's a new player but I don't want him to be able to pull an Ironhead on us.

So yeah my arrest will come from that list KWHit.

[Peregrine]

Ok my list of potential arrests are coming from the following list of three:

Lonestargirl: She normally is quite out there with her attempts to make sense of the game. I've seen no such struggle here.

Peregrine: Granted he hasn't played in a long time, but I've found his analysis somewhat weak compared to what I remember him capable of doing.

Antmeister: Has been pretty quiet and what little analysis seems flawed (casting doubt on KWhit? What's up with that?). Sure he's a new player but I don't want him to be able to pull an Ironhead on us.

So yeah my arrest will come from that list KWHit.

Lonestargirl is already being arrested by Kwhit, as per his post in huge letters earlier.

As for me, it's probably nostalgia. I consider myself at best a middle-of-the-road WW /player/, I prefer to run games or play WW face-to-face, those are what I'm good at.

Antmeister has been pretty quiet but so have others. You might consider looking at Grammaticus or Neon Chaos, also.

[Barkeep49]

Ok I lie. I'm adding one more to my list:

ITC -- I think he's trying the same strategy as Bullet. Since we saw bullet was innocent perhaps it'll work for him? I don't like it and I CAN issue a conditional order to have him rearrested.

[Barkeep49]

Lonestargirl is already being arrested by Kwhit, as per his post in huge letters earlier.

As for me, it's probably nostalgia. I consider myself at best a middle-of-the-road WW /player/, I prefer to run games or play WW face-to-face, those are what I'm good at.

Antmeister has been pretty quiet but so have others. You might consider looking at Grammaticus or Neon Chaos, also.
Really? I missed that completely.

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE TOSS ITC FROM THR ROCK

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE TOSS ITC FROM THR* ROCK

*the

[Abe Sargent]

Ok I lie. I'm adding one more to my list:

ITC -- I think he's trying the same strategy as Bullet. Since we saw bullet was innocent perhaps it'll work for him? I don't like it and I CAN issue a conditional order to have him rearrested.

That sounds very reasonable, actually.

[Barkeep49]

As I indicated in 1358 I remain suspicious of ITC, so I'm going to go ahead and Vote to toss ITC

[Abe Sargent]

I consider myself at best a middle-of-the-road WW /player/, I prefer to run games or play WW face-to-face, those are what I'm good at.


I love GM'ing. And one day, when I become good at it, I'll be very happy.

[Mustang]

Normally I would think the quiet ones would have a greater chance of being traitors but, given that I specifically asked why the pile on to Bullet and no one responded and given that Bullet wasn't a traitor, I'd lean personally that the more vocal people are the traitors.

And given that I'm at the bottom of the wealth chart...

Mustang Salleous sues Ironsus Headus
Mustang Salleous sues Lonestarus Girlus
Mustang Salleous sues Abeus Anxietus
Mustang Salleous sues Autumnus Leavus
Mustang Salleous sues Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Mustang Salleous sues Kayus Whitus
Mustang Salleous sues Narcizus Lispus

[Barkeep49]

I love GM'ing. And one day, when I become good at it, I'll be very happy.
GM'ing is my passion. I'm a little upset Peregrine is back since I was all set to overtake him as the one who'd GM'ed the most games :)

[Peregrine]

I've been working like crazy on designing my next game. When you change one of the fundamental WW rules, it brings up all kinds of weird balance issues, I'm trying to think of as many of them as possible before play starts, and deal with them.

[Barkeep49]

I've been working like crazy on designing my next game. When you change one of the fundamental WW rules, it brings up all kinds of weird balance issues, I'm trying to think of as many of them as possible before play starts, and deal with them.
You tease, you tease. I'm very excited about you being back. River's Edge was a great game, even if I did have to go and undelete a lot of stuff so I could wiki it :).

[Peregrine]

Yeah by the way, thanks a lot for the Wiki. As for River's Edge, the deleting stuff seemed necessary at the time, with people griping about it, but later on it needed to be put back, glad someone did it.

[Mustang]

I don't necessarily agree with the 'culling the herd' mentality by eliminating people that aren't speaking up right now (seems to be a considerable amount of them, including myself). Seems like a good way for the Tarqs to eliminate a bunch of people quickly and easily without alot of hassle.

ITC sure hasn't spoken up really so.. either he wants out or doesn't have a good defense. I'm leaning towards the first just on a hunch.

[Mustang]

Vote Free ITC

[Peregrine]

Overall this game is quite difficult, possibly even slanted against the loyalists. We need to figure out what we can do to even things out.

Problems that I see:

Limited Voting - Obviously we can't vote on whoever we like. This removes pressure voting, trying to play two people off against each other, and all the other usual voting tactics. Instead we have to go through two people who may themselves be corrupted by the bad guys, thus ruining the whole process.

Solutions - Several people including myself have already suggested unofficial votes and then expecting the consuls to arrest the people we choose. Hasn't really happened yet though. As for arrest votes, it's going to be even trickier to get a majority to vote for someone to be executed. Others?

Mercenary Roles - All the roles are up for the highest bidder. Instead of having a loyal seer or other roles to rely on, we have to buy them. This leads to all kinds of problems as a rich wolf can basically assure we rarely get to get a critical role. Also, with at least one role a murder role (based on the sword death from earlier in the game) this gives the wolves another way to remove us.

Solutions - Hard to say. Loyalists can try to get more money through lawsuits, that seems to be the obvious one, but again, since we don't know who's who, this is a very sub-par solution. We can also try to tell people which role to pick, but this removes choice, and fun, and is impossible to enforce. Again, wolves can manipulate that system to their choosing.

Lots of Quiet People - Not an issue with game design of course, but we have a large number of quiet people in such a huge game. That really cuts us off from a lot of discussion, and it naturally leads many (including me) to go towards suspecting the UTR people. Of course this also plays into the wolves hands, they can have a few UTR and at this rate, it will take them forever to be executed. Or they can be active and turn the rest of us around, based on the limited voting above.

Solutions - Encourage people to be more active? I don't think that's any good. Replace some of the worst offenders - seems to be slowly happening, that's good. Others?

Well just a bunch of nonsense from me...

[Mustang]

I think the light bulb churned to life in my head.

Trying to do an unofficial vote on the arrest warrants I would think would be the prefered way. I can't imagine a Tarq would be too keen to have to issue an arrest warrant for one of their own and would tend to argue for someone else. Although.. benefits might not be there until the numbers are down a bit.

Replacing players is kind of hard.. game has a little bit of a learning curve. For some reason, I was scratching my head for 24 hours...

I can pretty much guarantee that I'm not going to be getting any services any time soon based on my wealth.

[DaddyTorgo]

huge red flags raised there by mustang's explanation and vote. But i'm not sure to what extent that's because he may be newer to the game versus being a wolf. Seems like it'd be a very clumsy wolf-play

[Autumn]

Peregrine - I think that's a good analysis and summary of the place, and bind, we're in.

[Mustang]

huge red flags raised there by mustang's explanation and vote.

Why? Was just stating a case why it isn't necessarily a good thing to jump on the quiet ones. I didn't get much of a response (any) to my question of why we were voting to execute Bullet so.. given that, my deduction is the more vocal players right now are more likely to be Tarqs in my eyes than the quiet ones.

Same thing seems to be happening to ITC today. Unless I misread something...

[Autumn]

Right now I have the following people in my list as not having voted on Executing ITC. Now, most of these people probably spoke up and I just didn't write anything down, but I want to confirm.

Cofeeus Yakus, Ironsus Headus, Lonestarus Girlus, Pascalligus, Schmidtyus, Antus Meisterus, Hoopus Guyus.

[Autumn]

Mustang, I haven't heard anyone speak to a reason to Execute Imus Thecrewus except for his quietness, and the fact that while quite wealthy he has not bid on any services yet in the game.

It seems like the majority are starting to learn towards offing him. And for the most part the sentiment I'm hearing is htat it's important to not miss chances to lynch, and that if he's not using his wealth he's either a traitor or just not helping much anyway.

So far I've voted to free him, as I don't want to get burned and I think it's fairly likely he just hasn't been active, not that he's a traitor. Still, I'm new enough to this game to not have a good intuition how to proceed in these cases.

[Schmidty]

Vote execute ImusTheCrewisiusness

[Ironhead]

ELECT NARCIZUS CONSUL
ELECT AUTUMNUS CONSUL

Narcizus has been doing some really solid analysis for the village so far. The other two possibilities for this vote were either going to be for Hoopus Guyus or myself. Hoopus has also been doing some excellent analysis, but given that I have seen first hand how evil he can be I am not ready to put him in a position of power yet. Sorry bud. I chose not to vote for myself because I feel the game is about about 1 or 2 days away from having enough information to make some very important arrests for the village, and I want to have the shot to make those arrests knowing that I am good.

Autumnus has been doing some good analysis too and his thoughts about what the village should do have matched my own at several points. I also know from my first game that as a wolf I was very cautious about what I would say because I was constanlty concerned about being caught - the wolves are few and I didn't want to screw up my "teammates" in my first game. Being a villager in your first game, especially a large one, allows much more freedom to really post what is on your mind and that is what I see Autumnus doing.


VOTE TOSS IMUS THECREWUS OFF THE ROCK

I am willing to take a chance on. Of the original three players in the top 3 ImtheCrew is the only one who has no record of obtaining any services. For someone to just completely not vote for services for three days just seems absurd to me. By this point we have narrowed down the field of what he could have actually bid on to two roles - and admitting to either of them could possibly confirm him as a wolf. His odds of survivoring a lynch actually go up by just acting like he is lazy and uncaring.

[Autumn]

Right now I have the following people in my list as not having voted on Executing ITC. Now, most of these people probably spoke up and I just didn't write anything down, but I want to confirm.

Cofeeus Yakus, Ironsus Headus, Lonestarus Girlus, Pascalligus, Schmidtyus, Antus Meisterus, Hoopus Guyus.

Oh and Neonus Chaosus also. My count right now is 3 votes to free ITC, 13 votes to execute, and 8 that are either free him, or no vote yet.

[hoopsguy]

I'll throw my vote on Crew - we have enough people in play to get the execute so I'll back it to avoid any lawyer action denying the will of the masses (3 vote swing as demonstrated with Warlord on Day 2).

VOTE AIRMAIL IMUS CREWUS

[Schmidty]

Can someone show me where the current people for hire are posted? I'm not being lazy, I just can't seem to find it.

[Antmeister]

... Antmeister: Has been pretty quiet and what little analysis seems flawed (casting doubt on KWhit? What's up with that?). Sure he's a new player but I don't want him to be able to pull an Ironhead on us.

So yeah my arrest will come from that list KWHit.


Say what you will, but if another innocent dies today, it will still make me wonder. And believe me, I don't know how deep this is. Does anyone have any idea how many Tarqs are among us at this time? This is driving me crazy right now. I don't know if we have one or two Tarqs in the consul right now, so don't count yourself out either.

[Mustang]

Oh and Neonus Chaosus also. My count right now is 3 votes to free ITC, 13 votes to execute, and 8 that are either free him, or no vote yet.

Well, I don't think any miracle is going to save ITC at this point. Of course, if he is a Tarq, logic would dictate that the arrest warrants would be targeted towards the people that voted to free ITC.

[Lorena]

The only person I trust is myself, obviously, and that's why I voted for bullet, Mustang. I'm leary of anyone other than myself that's at the top.

[Lorena]

dola,

Looks like Imus Thecrewus is screwedus. I like how people are getting creative with throwing people off the cliff or whatever.

[Schmidty]

I like myself, so:

Vote Schmidtyus McShmidty-a-lot Consul

And because I am a basketball fan:

Vote Hoopius Guysnessius Consul

[Schmidty]

dola,

Looks like Imus Thecrewus is screwedus. I like how people are getting creative with throwing people off the cliff or whatever.

I had to dust.

[KWhit]

Say what you will, but if another innocent dies today, it will still make me wonder. And believe me, I don't know how deep this is. Does anyone have any idea how many Tarqs are among us at this time? This is driving me crazy right now. I don't know if we have one or two Tarqs in the consul right now, so don't count yourself out either.


You're pushing really hard to target me (and now possibly BK) as a Tarq. Especially when you say "If another innocent dies today...". It is quite likely that ITC is innocent. We have NOTHING to go on - no way to tell who might be innocent and who might be guilty at this point. To try to set me and BK up as potential Tarqs if ITC turns out to be a good guy (which just according to the odds is very likely) sounds very suspicious to me.

I have pointed out numerous times to you why it would be a HORRIBLE logical strategy for a Tarq (or 2) as Consul to avoid amking an arrest, but you refuse to listen. instead you keep trying to paint me into a corner of suspicion. Which instead only brings suspicion on yourself.

[Antmeister]

I still don't really know who to trust right now, but these individuals seem to be safe picks.
ELECT HOOPUS GUYUS FOR CONSUL
ELECT NARCIZUS FOR CONSULSince Barkeepus and KWhitus claim to be upstanding members of the Senate, I am warily going to choose to:
VOTE IMUS CREWUS FOR EXECUTION

And I hope we can learn of his allegiance with the execution so that I will know if I can go to sleep feeling much safer or to watch my back for the traitors among us.

[Autumn]

I guess I meant from the living -- what are the major controversies, and what are the arguments for each side?

Welcome Senator Passacaglia. There is an issue of importance that you could address. Your absence from the Senate has caused some concern. You are one of the wealthiest members of our group, and therefore hold great power. We do not know whether you have been using your wealth to aid us or harm us.

But the deadline grows very near. If you want to vouch your loyalty to the Senate very clearly, you can do so. Today only Dodgerus Chickus and you have remain to bid among the wealthiest of our group. There is a dangerous mercenary out there, named Furio Fuirious or something? If you pledge to bid for his services today, and do not use him to kill anyone tomorrow, your loyalty will be very clear to us I think. If you refuse to pledge for his servcies, especially if he kills someone tomorrow, then I would consider your loyalty very much in question.

So this is a vital task you could take on for us and join the ranks of the loyal Senators, if you act quickly before hte deadline.

[hoopsguy]

Can someone show me where the current people for hire are posted? I'm not being lazy, I just can't seem to find it.

Don't have the post # handy, but I pulled this earlier today:

Day 4:
Maximus Maximus, ex-legionnaire
Vitus Avidus, ex-legionnaire
Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves
Macro Gothicus, barbarian turned citizen for his service during wartime
Balbus Senna, political philosopher from Corsica
Faustus Felix, owner of many horses
Bonus Oceanus, owner of many horses
Ardentus Enthusiastus
Schmidtyus Schmidtyus

[Antmeister]

You're pushing really hard to target me (and now possibly BK) as a Tarq. Especially when you say "If another innocent dies today...". It is quite likely that ITC is innocent. We have NOTHING to go on - no way to tell who might be innocent and who might be guilty at this point. To try to set me and BK up as potential Tarqs if ITC turns out to be a good guy (which just according to the odds is very likely) sounds very suspicious to me.

I have pointed out numerous times to you why it would be a HORRIBLE logical strategy for a Tarq (or 2) as Consul to avoid amking an arrest, but you refuse to listen. instead you keep trying to paint me into a corner of suspicion. Which instead only brings suspicion on yourself.

Well the fact that you are not trying to ignore me and are constantly trying to state you side of the case also says alot. If it is flawed, why argue against it at all since everyone else will see it as flawed logic as well. :p

[Schmidty]

Don't have the post # handy, but I pulled this earlier today:

Day 4:
Maximus Maximus, ex-legionnaire
Vitus Avidus, ex-legionnaire
Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves
Macro Gothicus, barbarian turned citizen for his service during wartime
Balbus Senna, political philosopher from Corsica
Faustus Felix, owner of many horses
Bonus Oceanus, owner of many horses
Ardentus Enthusiastus
Schmidtyus Schmidtyus

I thank you kindly.

[hoopsguy]

Antmeister, welcome to WW. Good to see some paranoia and suspicion kick in :)

In all seriousness, I'm having a blast playing with the new(er) players so far this game.

[Autumn]

Well, that makes me feel a bit less worried. Several of the members of the Senate I trust most had not voted yet, and were making me wonder what they might know.

Like Kayus Whitus I think it's very possible ITC is innocent. It seems clear that the vote is going to go through at this point though, minus some sort of last minute changes.

I am actually very suspicious of Antus Meisterus right now. His behavior sounds like someone working up to instigate suspicion. His behavior would make most sense if as a traitor he knew that Imus was innocent, and wanted to lay the groundwork for making the consuls look bad in the morning. That makes me actually more certain of Imus's innocence, so I'll retain my vote to free him even though it seems clear he will be killed. If he is guilty, I'm sure that will cast doubt on me, but none of the people I suspect as traitors have tried very hard to argue his innocence, so I think perhaps theyh're glad to let him die.

[Autumn]

I guess I had the names wrong of the services. I would liek to publicly ask Passacaglia to bid for the service of the guy that kills people, if someone can remind me who that is.

[hoopsguy]

Pretty sure it is this guy

Macro Gothicus, barbarian turned citizen for his service during wartime

although Ironhead should be able to 100% confirm. I based my earlier "rich suggestions" post on it being him.

[Lorena]

Antmeister, welcome to WW. Good to see some paranoia and suspicion kick in :)

In all seriousness, I'm having a blast playing with the new(er) players so far this game.

I was hoping some of you would give him a harder time... c'mon man. Where's blade when you need him?! :p

Alright, the kids need to eat and I need to take a nap. Hopefully we got it right today.

[Passacaglia]

I'm dead, Swaggs is dead, AlanT is dead...I think Bullet is dead too...anyone I missed?

Welcome Senator Passacaglia. There is an issue of importance that you could address. Your absence from the Senate has caused some concern. You are one of the wealthiest members of our group, and therefore hold great power. We do not know whether you have been using your wealth to aid us or harm us.

But the deadline grows very near. If you want to vouch your loyalty to the Senate very clearly, you can do so. Today only Dodgerus Chickus and you have remain to bid among the wealthiest of our group. There is a dangerous mercenary out there, named Furio Fuirious or something? If you pledge to bid for his services today, and do not use him to kill anyone tomorrow, your loyalty will be very clear to us I think. If you refuse to pledge for his servcies, especially if he kills someone tomorrow, then I would consider your loyalty very much in question.

So this is a vital task you could take on for us and join the ranks of the loyal Senators, if you act quickly before hte deadline.

Thank you for the welcome upon my triumphant return to the Senate, Autumnus Leavus! I assure you that while I have been preoccupied with matters away from the homeland, my heart surely lies loyal to the Roman Republic. I have noticed that while I have been away, my wealth has risen considerably, to my great delight. As a show of my loyalty, I will hire this Furio. Send him to me, and I shall compensate him handsomely! Nay, I shall further prove my loyalty by seeking him out myself.

[Antmeister]

Antus Meisterus sues Lonestarus Girlus
Antus Meisterus sues Coffeus Stainus Warlordus

[Passacaglia]

I see that my esteemed colleague ImusTheusCrewus has been imprisoned, and currently awaits sentencing. Seeing as how he has little to say for himself, and in a further move to ensure that I receive the services of Mr. Furio, I shall position my vote as to remove him from our troubles.

VOTEUS KILLUS IMUSTHECREWUS

[st.cronin]

25 minutes to deadline

[Autumn]

Thank you, SEnator Passacaglia. It seems the name I meant to use is:

Macro Gothicus, barbarian turned citizen for his service during wartime

We have reason to suspect he has been the murderer of one of our colleagues, a loyal member of the Senate. Perhaps with the right offer he will keep his sword sheathed today.

[Passacaglia]

As for your council vote, as I have been away for much of this time, I will abstain from the vote. It seems like the issue is beyond doubt at this point, anyway.

[Passacaglia]

Also, to clear the air, while I suppose it was possible to send one of my henchmen in to the city to purchase services, I did not concern myself with those matters. This will be my first attempt at purchasing services.

[Passacaglia]

Wow, I sure know how to killus conversationus, eh?

[Poli]

Chirp. :)

[hoopsguy]

I'm a little intimidated in the presence of such a wealthy and influential senator :o

[Autumn]

Your wealth has been missed, Senator. Hopefully you can make up for it, we have lost too many good members.

[Passacaglia]

Well, I can't believe I got through the whole thread in one sitting. I skimmed a LOT, for the sake of my sanity. Hopefully that won't set me too far behind, though. Interested in the deadline.

[st.cronin]

everybody's busy writing last minute pms to the gm

:(

[ImTheCrew]

throw kwhit off a cliff

[Poli]

:(?

[Passacaglia]

Geez, you guys all have to wait until the last minute? Well, if you're furiously changing your orders that used to say throw Marcus Vaughanus in jail, that's cool. Otherwise -- just send it in earlier!!

[Autumn]

Let's just hope the arrest orders are *different* today.

[KWhit]

Let's just hope the arrest orders are *different* today.

If they're not, nobody can blame me today. My 40 point font statement of who I was arresting should have cleared things up for tonight.

[st.cronin]

deadline

[st.cronin]

The results of today's lawsuits are (winner underlined):

Ardent sues Coffee Warlord
Ardent Enthusiast sues Kwhit for suing me yesterday
Narcizo sues LoneStarGirl
Narcizo sues DaddyTorgo
Pathus Twelvus sues Antus Meisterus
KAYUS WHITUS SUES Abeus Anxietus
CHIEFUS RUMUS SUES SALDANUS LATHUMUS
Abeus Anxietius sueth Schmidityus Schmidityus
Peregrineus sues Lonestarus Girlus
Schmidityus Schmidityus sues Abeus Anxietius
Dodgus Erickus sues Imus Thecrewus
Antus Meisterus sues Saldanus Lathumus
Antus Meisterus sues Schmidtyus Schmidtyus
Saldanus Lathumus sues Coffeus Yakus Warlordus
Coffeus Yakus countersues Saldanus Lathumus
HOOPUS GUYUS SUES BARKEEPUS VALERIUS FORTYNINEUS
HOOPUS GUYUS SUES DADDYUS TORGOUS
Abeus Anxitius sues Lonestarus Girlus
Abeus Anxitius sues Marcus Vaughnus
Coffeus Yakus wants more money, and thusly sues Dodgus Erchickus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Mustangus Sallas
Grammaticus Atticus sues Marcus Vaughnus

[st.cronin]

pms coming

[Poli]

That's right. TAKE THAT KWHIT. ;)

[Ironhead]

Pretty sure it is this guy

Macro Gothicus, barbarian turned citizen for his service during wartime

although Ironhead should be able to 100% confirm. I based my earlier "rich suggestions" post on it being him.

Sorry, I was watching Survivor (and now I get to play Werewolf - what joy :p ). Yes I can confirm Macro Gothicus as the service that I won on Day 2.

[KWhit]

That's right. TAKE THAT KWHIT. ;)


Uh. I won.


:D

[Poli]

Doh. :)

[hoopsguy]

Just in case I bite it here, I wanted to post suit records:

AlanT (5-0) over KWhit, Hoops, Rum, Barkeep, and ITC
KWhit (12-1) loss to Alan, wins over WVU, Saldana, Swaggs, AE, Bullet, SnDvls, Rum, DT, Hoops, Narc, Neon, and Tyrith
Anxiety (2-0) win over Neon, DT
CW (1-0) win over Iron

Saldana (2-1) loss to KWhit, wins over Autumn and Barkeep
Hoops (1-2) losses to Alan and KWhit, win over Autumn
Autumn (3-2) loss to Saldana and Hoops, wins over WVU, Gramm, and Neon
Narcizo (1-1) loss to KWhit, win over Peregrine
Peregrine (2-1) loss to Narcizo, wins over Path and Neon
Daddy T (1-2) loss to Anxiety and KWhit, win over WVU
AE (1-1) loss to KWhit, win over Swaggs
Barkeep (2-2) loss to Saldana and KWhit, win over Neon twice
Rum (1-2) losses to Alan and KWhit, win over LSG
Neon (2-7) losses to Barkeep twice, Autumn, Path, Peregrine, win over Ant twice
Path (1-1) loss to Peregrine, win over Neon
Bullet (1-1) loss to KWhit, win over ITC

Iron (0-1) loss to CW
SnDvls (0-1) loss to KWhit
Gramm (0-1) loss to Autumn
Ant (0-2) loss to Neon twice
Crew (0-2) losses to Bullet and AlanT
LSG (0-1) loss to Rum
Tyrith (0-1) loss to KWhit
WVU (0-3) loss to Autumn, DT, KWhit
Swaggs (0-2) loss to KWhit and AE

[saldana]

That's right. TAKE THAT KWHIT. ;)

you do realize you lost, right?

[Abe Sargent]

Antmeister, welcome to WW. Good to see some paranoia and suspicion kick in :)

In all seriousness, I'm having a blast playing with the new(er) players so far this game.

Then you should come play in my Star Trek game where two new players have already agreed to try it out! [/plug]

[Poli]

I do now, could have swore I saw the line under my name, probably just double vision from the CW win.

Hoops, btw, you missed that one.

[hoopsguy]

I'll be updating them after this round and will be happy to answer individual questions about my interpretations. I think this information is best served being public, but as far as I recall not one person commented on pros/cons either time I asked about it today.

[Passacaglia]

Sucks that that Marcus Vaughanus guy lost those lawsuits. They'll have to track him down if they want to get all his money! :)

[hoopsguy]

I do now, could have swore I saw the line under my name, probably just double vision from the CW win.

Hoops, btw, you missed that one.

Don't have the Day 4 stuff in there yet - I'm not THAT fast!

[Passacaglia]

Any chances these suit records have to do with post count?

[Autumn]

Thank you hoopsguy, I'm finding that info useful to have, and i'm just not up to tracking it myself. I'm glad you are, and publishing it.

[Abe Sargent]

I lost to KWhit hoops, to correct ya.

Just in case I bite it here, I wanted to post suit records:

AlanT (5-0) over KWhit, Hoops, Rum, Barkeep, and ITC
KWhit (12-1) loss to Alan, wins over WVU, Saldana, Swaggs, AE, Bullet, SnDvls, Rum, DT, Hoops, Narc, Neon, and Tyrith
Anxiety (2-0) win over Neon, DT
CW (1-0) win over Iron

Saldana (2-1) loss to KWhit, wins over Autumn and Barkeep
Hoops (1-2) losses to Alan and KWhit, win over Autumn
Autumn (3-2) loss to Saldana and Hoops, wins over WVU, Gramm, and Neon
Narcizo (1-1) loss to KWhit, win over Peregrine
Peregrine (2-1) loss to Narcizo, wins over Path and Neon
Daddy T (1-2) loss to Anxiety and KWhit, win over WVU
AE (1-1) loss to KWhit, win over Swaggs
Barkeep (2-2) loss to Saldana and KWhit, win over Neon twice
Rum (1-2) losses to Alan and KWhit, win over LSG
Neon (2-7) losses to Barkeep twice, Autumn, Path, Peregrine, win over Ant twice
Path (1-1) loss to Peregrine, win over Neon
Bullet (1-1) loss to KWhit, win over ITC

Iron (0-1) loss to CW
SnDvls (0-1) loss to KWhit
Gramm (0-1) loss to Autumn
Ant (0-2) loss to Neon twice
Crew (0-2) losses to Bullet and AlanT
LSG (0-1) loss to Rum
Tyrith (0-1) loss to KWhit
WVU (0-3) loss to Autumn, DT, KWhit
Swaggs (0-2) loss to KWhit and AE

[Abe Sargent]

Also looks like I beat Schmidity. Twice.

Just in case I bite it here, I wanted to post suit records:

AlanT (5-0) over KWhit, Hoops, Rum, Barkeep, and ITC
KWhit (12-1) loss to Alan, wins over WVU, Saldana, Swaggs, AE, Bullet, SnDvls, Rum, DT, Hoops, Narc, Neon, and Tyrith
Anxiety (2-0) win over Neon, DT
CW (1-0) win over Iron

Saldana (2-1) loss to KWhit, wins over Autumn and Barkeep
Hoops (1-2) losses to Alan and KWhit, win over Autumn
Autumn (3-2) loss to Saldana and Hoops, wins over WVU, Gramm, and Neon
Narcizo (1-1) loss to KWhit, win over Peregrine
Peregrine (2-1) loss to Narcizo, wins over Path and Neon
Daddy T (1-2) loss to Anxiety and KWhit, win over WVU
AE (1-1) loss to KWhit, win over Swaggs
Barkeep (2-2) loss to Saldana and KWhit, win over Neon twice
Rum (1-2) losses to Alan and KWhit, win over LSG
Neon (2-7) losses to Barkeep twice, Autumn, Path, Peregrine, win over Ant twice
Path (1-1) loss to Peregrine, win over Neon
Bullet (1-1) loss to KWhit, win over ITC

Iron (0-1) loss to CW
SnDvls (0-1) loss to KWhit
Gramm (0-1) loss to Autumn
Ant (0-2) loss to Neon twice
Crew (0-2) losses to Bullet and AlanT
LSG (0-1) loss to Rum
Tyrith (0-1) loss to KWhit
WVU (0-3) loss to Autumn, DT, KWhit
Swaggs (0-2) loss to KWhit and AE

[Passacaglia]

Any chances these suit records have to do with post count?


Never mind. I didn't realize AE had so many posts in this thread.

[Poli]

CSI time. I'll check in during commercials.

[Abe Sargent]

Oh, realized those were old records, sorry hoopsie

[hoopsguy]

I lost to KWhit hoops, to correct ya.

See post #1432

[saldana]

Any chances these suit records have to do with post count?

not likely...my post count is pretty low, but i seem to win quite a bit...i have only lost to alant and kwhit, who seem to beat everyone.

[hoopsguy]

Updated results, assuming I'm still alive, in about 20-30 minutes. It takes awhile to crunch these.

[st.cronin]

As before, if you did not receive a pm, you were outbid for your services.

[Poli]

Never mind. I didn't realize AE had so many posts in this thread.
Sorry dude. I was bored at work the other day.

[Poli]

I got Bonus Oceanus. FWIW.

[Poli]

Not sure who I'll send the message to, or what it would be. Suggestions?

[st.cronin]

The following Senators have voted to execute Imus The Crewus:

Ardent (1160), Narcizo (1168), KWhit (1245), Chief Rum (1288), path12 (1294), Coffee Warlord (1296), Grammaticus (1301), Peregrine (1302), Tyrith (1317), Dodgerchick (1319), saldana (1350), Anxiety (1353), DaddyTorgo (1360), Barkeep (1363), Schmidty (1379), Ironhead (1380), hoopsguy (1382), Passacaglia (1403) Neon Chaos (no post)


That is more than enough to execute: He is tossed from the Tarpeian Rock.

[st.cronin]

The following Senators have been murdered:

Saldanus Lathumus, by sword
Schmidtyus Schmidtyus, by poison

[Poli]

I guess I'll be getting another PM shortly.

[st.cronin]

The following Senators are in jail:

Lonestarus Girlus

[Poli]

Dang it. Poor Schmidty. :(

I fear someone is trying to try and make me look bad.

[Poli]

WOW. Don't tell me one again.

[Abe Sargent]

Barkeep?

[st.cronin]

The following Senators are now the Consuls of Rome:

Hoopus Guyus
Narcizus Lispus

The new Tribune of the Plebs is:
Antus Meisterus

The best lawyer in Rome is:
Ardentus Enthusiastus

And the second best lawyer in Rome is:
Neonus Chaosus

updated financial standings coming

[saldana]

well....that was possibly the most confusing game i have ever played...good luck Rome.

[hoopsguy]

This is a bad joke, right? One again?

[hoopsguy]

well....that was possibly the most confusing game i have ever played...good luck Rome.

You didn't play Path's game, right? Just checking ...

[Poli]

ITC was loyal to the Senate, fellas. :(

[hoopsguy]

So clearly we didn't lock up the 2nd killer - frustrating results.

[KWhit]

This is a bad joke, right? One again?


WOW.

[KWhit]

Barkeep?

[Autumn]

You have got to be kidding me.

[KWhit]

After all the shit he gave me last night when I tried my hardest to do the right thing?!?! And he doesn't get an arrest in?

Holy cow.

[Antmeister]

Ummmmm.....what just happened?

[KWhit]

Well...... There is a possible explanation.

[Poli]

I guess there's little question left about barkeep.

[st.cronin]

The richest men in Rome are:

Abeus Anxietus
Dodeus Erchickus
Kayus Whitus

These men are known to be extremely wealthy:

Coffeeus Yakus Warlordus
Ironus Headus
Passus Caglius
Pathus Twelvus
Peregrineus Barbarus

These men are known to be moderately wealthy:

Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Autumnus Leavus
Antus Meisterus
Chiefus Rumus
Narcizus Lispus
Lonestarus Girlus

The following (remaining) Senators are of normal wealth for the Senatorial class:

Ardentus Enthusiastus
Daddyus Torgous
Grammus Atticus
Hoopus Guyus
Mustangus Sallus
Neonus Chaosus
Tyrus Ithus

[Autumn]

Dang it. Poor Schmidty. :(

I fear someone is trying to try and make me look bad.

It seems to be working :-(

I'd like to hear about who won services and how they used them, right away. We obviously lost hte killer, and we at least missed with the bodyguards.

[KWhit]

Ironhead - did you have the sex slaves sent to you today? Or was that yesterday?

[Ironhead]

As suggested in the tread I bid on and won the services of Balbus Senna. I need a reality check here - I don't know if I am reading too much into the wording on his ability. I can use him to convince someone of the righteousness of my beliefs.

It is the word convince that kind of makes me pause. If both villagers and wolves have access to this service does that mean that whether people are good or bad they could still convince someone they are good? I know that might sound like I am a wolf and afraid to use it, but again - if I were a wolf I wouldn't even bring this up in the open.

[Peregrine]

Okay, can we arrest Barkeep today? Once maybe, in some kind of fluke, but twice, when he knew in advance who Kwhit was arresting, that's treason.

[st.cronin]

Persons selling their services in the Forum

Gallus Clarus, ex-legionnaire
Titus Ludius, ex-legionnaire
Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves
Animus Sentus, person rumored to be affiliated with the Priesthood
Furius Lucius, former warlord of Gaul, enslaved and now freed
Lexus Postus, owner of many horses
Blakus Fortunatus, owner of many horses
and of course,
Ardentus Enthusiastus
Neonus Chaosus

primer
Today you must vote on the guilt or innocence of Lonestarus Girlus. Today's deadline is 9am Saturday Morning, Eastern Time Zone.

[Antmeister]

Ok....the results just blew my mind. I don't know what to think anymore.

[Autumn]

I will put out there that I did not win any service and so did not use one yesterday. I am hoping someone loyal was able to win and use something remotely useful. Because I think we are up s*** creek, to use an ancient Roman expression.

[KWhit]

I repeat: Ironhead, when did you have the sex slaves sent to you?

[Ironhead]

I repeat: Ironhead, when did you have the sex slaves sent to you?

Woah, woah - chill out there buddy. You posted the question right when I was posting. Antsy about something?

Dodgerchick won the services of the sex slaves on Day 2 and sent them to me on Day 3.

[Grammaticus]

This is rediculous, we should not have one person again today.

[st.cronin]

One last note: I do not have the list of suits that will be heard on day V ready yet. I will put that up in the morning. Apologies for the inconvenience.

[Poli]

Still hoping to hear about who I should send the message to. I really don't know who to ask or what.

[Autumn]

It seems an outrageously stupid way for BArkeepus to act if he is a traitor. But unless the sex slaves can prevent an arrest, I don't know what else to think.

[Grammaticus]

So, is the consensus that Barkeepus did not jail someon? I think both Consuls listed Loneus Starus Girlus. Khus Whitus, you said that you voted to jail her and I saw the giant case announcement.

Barkeepus, what is the word? Why did you not jail anyone?

[hoopsguy]

As suggested in the tread I bid on and won the services of Balbus Senna. I need a reality check here - I don't know if I am reading too much into the wording on his ability. I can use him to convince someone of the righteousness of my beliefs.

It is the word convince that kind of makes me pause. If both villagers and wolves have access to this service does that mean that whether people are good or bad they could still convince someone they are good? I know that might sound like I am a wolf and afraid to use it, but again - if I were a wolf I wouldn't even bring this up in the open.

I've got some insight into this, as I was visited by Balbus - Schmidty sent him to me. However, until he posted in the thread I had no idea that it was Schmidty who sent Balbus to me. And it sounded like Schmidty expected me to think that Balbus would clear Schmidty, not look at me which is what I figured was going on when I got the PM. So that was kind of weird from where I sat.

[Grammaticus]

It seems an outrageously stupid way for BArkeepus to act if he is a traitor. But unless the sex slaves can prevent an arrest, I don't know what else to think.

The sex slaves are role blockers, right?

Did anyone send the sex slaves to Barkeepus. Dodgerus Chickus didn't you say you had the sex slaves?

[Autumn]

I'm not sure, AE. Given the spot you've been in, I'd want you to use it to make your loyalty obvious. My assumption has been that people have used it to forward hte PM with their role to people to prove thier role? Is that right? If so, perhaps you could do so to Kayus Whitus, who is the only one of us I think who has been supposedly scanned. I'm not sure what other use it has unless you have some info you dno't want to share publicly.

[Peregrine]

Remember that earlier Barkeep posted his list of candidates and at that time I specifically told him that Kwhit was already arresting Lonestargirl, and he responded. There's no way he didn't know that.

[KWhit]

Woah, woah - chill out there buddy. You posted the question right when I was posting. Antsy about something?

Dodgerchick won the services of the sex slaves on Day 2 and sent them to me on Day 3.


Wasn't being combative (although it probably did sound that way). Just wanted it to be seen. That's all.

[Antmeister]

This is rediculous, we should not have one person again today.

How come when I complained about this, I was being paranoid and suspicious and now all of the sudden it becomes frickin clear. This one person vote has been bothering me for a while.

[hoopsguy]

I'm very interested to hear who got the attorneys at this point.

[KWhit]

Remember that earlier Barkeep posted his list of candidates and at that time I specifically told him that Kwhit was already arresting Lonestargirl, and he responded. There's no way he didn't know that.

Yep. That and my HUGE post about it.

I actually posted it twice. Once in normal size - the other a bit larger.

[Poli]

I assume Neon Chaos will also vouch for ITC.

[Peregrine]

Yep. That and my HUGE post about it.

I actually posted it twice. Once in normal size - the other a bit larger.

Right, but after my post he claimed he had missed your incredibly large post.

[KWhit]

How come when I complained about this, I was being paranoid and suspicious and now all of the sudden it becomes frickin clear. This one person vote has been bothering me for a while.

I still think it would be a totally stupid move for a Tarq consul to make. That's why I'm pursuing the possibility that he was sex-slave-ified.

[KWhit]

Right, but after my post he claimed he had missed your incredibly large post.

Yeah. I know. That worried me at the time.

[Ironhead]

I've got some insight into this, as I was visited by Balbus - Schmidty sent him to me. However, until he posted in the thread I had no idea that it was Schmidty who sent Balbus to me. And it sounded like Schmidty expected me to think that Balbus would clear Schmidty, not look at me which is what I figured was going on when I got the PM. So that was kind of weird from where I sat.

Wait - wasn't that when Schmidty said he was an idiot for revealing something he shouldn't have? Are we sure Schmidty actually won the service? I am going to be gone for the next 50 - 60 minutes but I can check when I get back.

[Grammaticus]

How come when I complained about this, I was being paranoid and suspicious and now all of the sudden it becomes frickin clear. This one person vote has been bothering me for a while.

I completely agree and I think we should post fake votes for jailing. I proposed that in the tombstone game and it didn't fly there. I don't get it, why not vote and hold the Consuls accountable if they don't follow through?

I know Peregrine and I think Autumn also agree with this theory. Is anyone else willing to caste unofficial votes for jailing to give the consuls the will of the senate?

[KWhit]

So Ironhead had the sex slaves sent to him on day 3? Meaning they were back in play today, right? So someone could have sent them to BK????

Can anyone vouch for them? Who won them yesterday?

[Antmeister]

Ok....I am really confused right now. What does the sex slaves do exactly? Does that mean you can' t post for a day or simply mean you can't use any action for a day?

[Peregrine]

If the sex slaves can stop a Consul from arresting someone then we are really screwed. I mean, I'm pretty sure there's no way we can win anyway, but that would really clinch it.

[Antmeister]

I completely agree and I think we should post fake votes for jailing. I proposed that in the tombstone game and it didn't fly there. I don't get it, why not vote and hold the Consuls accountable if they don't follow through?

I know Peregrine and I think Autumn also agree with this theory. Is anyone else willing to caste unofficial votes for jailing to give the consuls the will of the senate?

What do you mean by fake votes? How does that work?

[Peregrine]

He's saying that we should cast unofficial votes on who we want to arrest, then expect the consuls to arrest them. This would give us some control back, which we sorely need, as I feel the traitors are manipulating everything, and control at least a good few of the services and roles.