Werewolf XLV - ROME! (Game over, post 3425)

[Mr. Wednesday]

What's the plan on services for today?

[Grammaticus]

That's certainly reasonable from the meta-gaming point of view, although I can see some meta-issues.

I suppose it is possible that a Tarq can pick how he wants to kill someone. Although I think it is more likely the Tarqs kill is by poison. And on that theory, possibly each Tarq has a specific way to kill, but probably not by sword. So as not to mix with the assassins.

[Grammaticus]

I went from page 90, which gives me the end of yesterday plus all of today. It's going to have to do...

Actually not a bad start. I'm not sure what you mean by page 90 as we only have 61 pages.

[Mr. Wednesday]

You must be on 45 posts per page — I'm on 30. :)

[Autumn]

What's the plan on services for today?

We haven't really compiled a plan so far, and I'm trying to figure out what the best move is for me. Anxietus has said he is going to bid for the sword killer, but I don't know that anyone else has stated an intention.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Is the function of the priest established?

[Grammaticus]

You must be on 45 posts per page — I'm on 30. :)

Makes sense, I'm on 50 per page.

[Barkeep49]

In light of events I'd like Barkeep and Path to explain their votes yesterday a bit more closely than they have done.

I'd also like to hear who has got my services today and what they intend to do with them. Not who you plan to scan but whether you intend to defend someone with them.

And I'd be very interested in hearing who's got the swordsman.
I stated at the time my reasons:
Anxiety has trusted me. I didn't have a strong read on either and so that was good enough.

[Grammaticus]

Is the function of the priest established?

I believe it allows the player to compel someone to change their vote or direct their vote where you want it.

[Mr. Wednesday]

OBTW... I don't think I have anything to lose by doing this...
Misterus Wednesdaius sues everyone.

It's not like I have a lot of money to begin with... or like there should be any evidence of treason to be uncovered...

[Abe Sargent]

Anxiety, how do you know AE is cleared? Are you relying on the lawyer investigation of no evidence of wrong doing?

Right, which is why I said in a previous post, cleared of previous wrongdoing, not certified as a republican

[Abe Sargent]

You can't bid if you're arrested, right? I know I can't today.

My bid today, path, is free.

[Tyrith]

Tyrith sues path12

[Abe Sargent]

1. I don't see how this avoids lawyer tricks. If you were successfully defended you might get off again.

2. If both you and AE were bad, or if there are some other bad guy bidding tricks up your sleeve AE or someone else could get the sword killer anyway.

If everybody in the Senate is agreed that they're going to execute you tomorrow, then perhaps this makes sense. But seems rather a large gamble to take to only arrest one person. We made that mistake many times in the beginning of this game. We could learn something between now and tomorrow night that either clears you or condemns AE. If so, our hands would be tied and our time wasted.

It's a noble offer, but it seems to have a lot of loopholes to it, and the only advantage I see being that Ardentus is free to bid tomorrow. What do others think? I don't think we've heard who Passus Calligus is planning on arresting anyway.

Look, here are the two main proposals:

1), Arrest me an AE. Your argument that someotnhing could happen to clear me stands, but if I am cealerd, say bvy today's seer, AND arrested, then that clears AE by extension. So you;d be stuck voting someone off that is cleared. That is why you shouldn;t have either AE and me to choose from. Its a bad strategy.

2). Arrest just me. If somethings does happen to clear me, then at least no republicans can die. I will bid on the sword killer today. If I end up with a lawyer, then you know I'm lying. When I had the option to send a lawyer to the Senate earlier, it was to prosecute. I won't habe a laywer, and noone can send one to help me. If you want to kill me, then commit - stop playing footsie. If you think my death is the Rosetta Stone, then I'm not going to stand in your way.

[Barkeep49]

I have to leave shortly and have no idea about who to vote for. Gah! Not having found one bad guy so far has just made it so hard for me to get a handle on this game. I think that KWhit is good. He's got a pretty tight circle around him. If he's bad, I think we start dominoes. If he's good I think we've vastly narrowed the field. With path, if he turns up bad I'm not sure where we go from there and if he's good I know I'll feel the same way about tomorrow's candidates.

Therefore in order to increase our abilities for tomorrow

Vote KWhit

[Mr. Wednesday]

I think I've seen a coherent argument advanced against Kayus Whittus. What's the argument against Pathus Twelvus?

[Abe Sargent]

I have to vote path. Why? Because I scanned KWhit. I have never scanned path. Plus, I have to vote. I'd rather not vote path if I don;t have to, but it appears I have no real choice in the matter.


Vote Path to Die

[path12]

My bid today, path, is free.

My bad, Abe. I read that wrong.

[path12]

Tyrith sues path12

Frankly, I'd rather be sued than tossed.

[Tyrith]

This is the downside of having CR as a consul...if we KNEW he had arrested Anxiety then we could for sure have Pass arrest someone else and then have some options. As it stands, we are somewhat screwed.

[Tyrith]

Frankly, I'd rather be sued than tossed.

If you're alive tomorrow I want to take a shot at you, see if I can finally climb up the ladder...probably too late, but it's worth a shot.

[path12]

I think I've seen a coherent argument advanced against Kayus Whittus. What's the argument against Pathus Twelvus?

I've been quiet. Well, Chief had a reason that I ended up on a list of people who could have hired the swordsman on day one and I believe day four or five, but I'm on record as attempting to hire the priest day one (though of course that's not proof). I actually haven't seen Ironus Headus' reason for arresting me.

But the quietness is a valid charge. Had trouble getting my head around a lot of this and I have been quieter as a result.

[Ironhead]

Path - for the record I arrested you for a couple of reasons. One was that you are a veteran player that has been under the radar. Something that kept troubling me in going back through all of your posts was that you were constantly asking questions about who had what service and whether certain things could be done with what services. You seem to ask a lot of questions about everyone else or make certain statements but then you never seem to follow it up much analysis. It almost seems to me like information gathering, or that you are trying to lead people somewhere. This is where I am at bit of a loss as a new player to Werewolf as I don't know individual players styles.

It also troubled me that you have been in the middle to higher part of the wealth bracket the entire game but we know next to nothing about your service history. Sure, you have claimed to lose some bids. I don't recall you claiming to win any, and lost service bid claims can be faked.

[Passacaglia]

Like I said before, I'm worried about KWhit. I believe he was the one who hired the killer the other night.

VOTE KAYUS WHITUS

[Mr. Wednesday]

Ironhead, my characterization of path's style when he's a good guy is that he tends more toward the quiet end of the spectrum, but he tends to offer a lot of value when he posts.

[path12]

Path - for the record I arrested you for a couple of reasons. One was that you are a veteran player that has been under the radar. Something that kept troubling me in going back through all of your posts was that you were constantly asking questions about who had what service and whether certain things could be done with what services. You seem to ask a lot of questions about everyone else or make certain statements but then you never seem to follow it up much analysis. It almost seems to me like information gathering, or that you are trying to lead people somewhere. This is where I am at bit of a loss as a new player to Werewolf as I don't know individual players styles.

It also troubled me that you have been in the middle to higher part of the wealth bracket the entire game but we know next to nothing about your service history. Sure, you have claimed to lose some bids. I don't recall you claiming to win any, and lost service bid claims can be faked.

Crap, I had a big response typed up and just lost the damn thing. Short version:

I appreciate you letting me know your reasons. I did win Maximus the bodyguard day 2 or 3 and used him to protect Barkeep as consul. That's my only win so far. I don't know why.

As for playing UTR this game: As I've said, I stupidly didn't put together notes for this game, which I would normally do in a game this size. That in combination with some time issues early got me very lost. I'm not one to post unless I have something to add, and that hasn't really happened this game, unfortunately. I am good by the way, but not terribly useful so far.

But again, I do appreciate you putting down your reasons for the arrest.

[Grammaticus]

I may not be on for a while, so I am casting my vote. This is really for the fact that we have the most to learn from tossing Khayus whitus:

Vote to toss Khayus Whitus to the rock

[Autumn]

I'm back on. Read Anxietus's proposal to arrest just him. I'm obviously not in control of that, and I don't know what Pass is planning. I'm unsure how to proceed with the proposal. If Anxietus is good, it certainly works out for us, unless his scan of AE was somehow faulty or incomplete. If Anxietus is bad but AE is good, then it definitely works out in our favor, unless there's some hidden catch I haven't thought of. At this point in the game I'm paranoid enough to think there could be. However, if both of them are bad it definitely doesn't work in our favor.

I don't want to be singled out by Anxiety to make this decision. His arrest is the one I'm supporting mostly, and it seems there's other voices calilng out for Ardentus. I'll let other people voice their opinions.

[Autumn]

Given the likelihood that there's a traitor among the rich, I'm going to continue suing them.

I SUE ABEUS ANXIETUS
ARDENTUS ENTHUSIASTUS
MUSTANGUS
GRAMMUS ATTICUS

[Mustang]

Given the likelihood that there's a traitor among the rich, I'm going to continue suing them.

I SUE ABEUS ANXIETUS
ARDENTUS ENTHUSIASTUS
MUSTANGUS
GRAMMUS ATTICUS

Only the first day I've ever been 'rich' where I could actually bid on someone and have a very good chance of winning the bid.

[Mustang]

Speaking of rich, I have seen no declaration of who is bidding on what really.

[Autumn]

It sounds like Anxietus is going for the sword killer. I imagine Ardentus might be too, but I don't think he said. I would say maybe the lawyer is the next priority? Or bodyguards? I still haven't seen any clue who Passus is arresting, so I don't know which lawyer to bid on.

[Autumn]

Only the first day I've ever been 'rich' where I could actually bid on someone and have a very good chance of winning the bid.

Yes, sorry, I should clarify. I'm not suing you because you mgiht be the rich traitor, but just because I don't want to see anybody get sitting too pretty up at the top of the wealth standings. So I've been suing all the wealthiest brackets for a few days now.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Incidentally, is there any reason why I should limit my suits so that I'm not suing everyone?

As one of the less wealthy, I don't see that I have anything to gain by announcing what I'm bidding for before the deadline. Any contrary opinions?

[Autumn]

There is a limit to how many the courts can handle, but I haven't seen many going through, so basically no no reason to limit.

Probably no reason not to announce your bid either, but without a set plan for everyone I'm less apt to announce mine either. I wish we had gotten together this morning on that.

[Mr. Wednesday]

In terms of a set plan, though, that's best for the people who have higher priority on acquiring services. It'd be nice to have an idea of which services are being taken by the wealthy so that I don't waste my effort. :)

[Mustang]

I'm more apt to believe that this sudden reluctance to share bidding information means that some of the higher ups are possibly Tarqs.

One thing I dont' understand, if KWhit was cleared by 2 others, why are we executing him? I'm just not following the logic right now.

For now - Vote Free KWhit

[Mr. Wednesday]

How is Anxiety alleged to have scanned KWhit — via a lawyer hire, or via innate ability?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, and who else is alleged to have scanned him?

[Mustang]

In terms of a set plan, though, that's best for the people who have higher priority on acquiring services. It'd be nice to have an idea of which services are being taken by the wealthy so that I don't waste my effort. :)

Best to always put something in. It is my guess that you are probably a loyalist. I think if you were a Tarq, it would have kept either LSG or Chubby in the game easier... I think it is easier to just throw out names right now if you are a Tarq than it is to be logical if you are a loyalist since I don't think there is a real clear cut idea on anything right now..

[Mr. Wednesday]

Oh, I'll definitely put something in. Haven't decided what, yet. :)

[Mustang]

Dola, and who else is alleged to have scanned him?

Post 2813.. I was looking for some contradiction to that.

[Mr. Wednesday]

OK, so CW scanned him (through indeterminate means... probably the same as Anxiety?).

On the one hand, it'd be a pretty bold move for two Tarqs to vouch for a third... on the second, the vouch might put the third into a pretty good level of trust... on the third hand, at what level are we relying on the accuracy of the results, CW and Anxiety, or the method they used to do the scan?

[Mr. Wednesday]

dola, that is, if they both used ardent to scan, for the sake of argument, could both CW and Anxiety be good guys, but have gotten bad information if ardent were a bad dude? Or do we have some sort of confirmation that their method were reliable (e.g. used a lawyer who's now dead and who was revealed as good)?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Geez, for an approaching deadline, this place is pretty quiet.

[Autumn]

I'm more apt to believe that this sudden reluctance to share bidding information means that some of the higher ups are possibly Tarqs.

One thing I dont' understand, if KWhit was cleared by 2 others, why are we executing him? I'm just not following the logic right now.

For now - Vote Free KWhit

I want to point out a couple things:

One, realize that you have to vote for executing KWhit or Pathus, you can't just vote to Free someone anymore.

Anxietus supposedly scanned KWhit using the lawyer's ability. KWhit was also scanned the same way by Coffeeus Warlord (who was just killed by Ardentus recently), and someone else? Or did Anxietus scan him twice? God, I can't remember. It's the fact that he was scanned repeatedly, and by teh same circle of people several of whom have been very suspect that makes it suspect, since we can't confirm those scans. It seems to me like a traitor wasting a scan while trying to look loyal.

Lastly I think the bidding problem is that Chiefus Rumus had been organizing the bidding, and didn't have time to today and nobody picked up the slack. Still, I agree, there are probably rich traitors.

[Ironhead]

TOSS PATH12 OFF THE ROCK

Nothing more than a hunch but I felt enough of something to arrest him. I really don't think KWhit is bad, and feel the chances of Path being bad are higher. There really is no proof out there one way or another for either of these two.

I will tell you one thing. If Narcizo is still alive in the morning and no one claims a BG block I am going to start becoming very suspicious of our two lawyers.

[Autumn]

dola, that is, if they both used ardent to scan, for the sake of argument, could both CW and Anxiety be good guys, but have gotten bad information if ardent were a bad dude? Or do we have some sort of confirmation that their method were reliable (e.g. used a lawyer who's now dead and who was revealed as good)?

We don't know yet whether the scan just determines they weren't up to no good that night, or is all inclusive. My inclination is that it is all inclusive.

We have some confirmation that the lawyers have no control or knowledge of the process and therefore presumably can't influence it.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Autumnus, if you look at the post cited by Mustangus, you'll see that Kayus claims to have been cleared by Coffeus in addition to Abeus.

[Mr. Wednesday]

We have some confirmation that the lawyers have no control or knowledge of the process and therefore presumably can't influence it.

I wasn't necessarily thinking of direct influence or knowledge, but I was suspecting that possibly if one or both of the lawyers were Tarqs and an attempt was made to scan a Tarq, then it might come up clean without the direct action of the lawyer involved, as a sort of passive defense.

[Autumn]

TOSS PATH12 OFF THE ROCK

Nothing more than a hunch but I felt enough of something to arrest him. I really don't think KWhit is bad, and feel the chances of Path being bad are higher. There really is no proof out there one way or another for either of these two.

I will tell you one thing. If Narcizo is still alive in the morning and no one claims a BG block I am going to start becoming very suspicious of our two lawyers.

That's true, it's been a while since the traitors have offed the 2nd lawyer. Suspicious. Although if we assume Ardentus's sword kill was not bad, the traitors haven't had a kill in two nights, right? How long has Narcizus been lawyer?

[Autumn]

Autumnus, if you look at the post cited by Mustangus, you'll see that Kayus claims to have been cleared by Coffeus in addition to Abeus.

Right, I think that's what I said above. Abeus duplicating Coffeeus' scan was what was kind of dubious, and in my mind makes it less useful. We never got a chance to find out Coffee's loyalty, or Abe's though.

[Mr. Wednesday]

My problem is that I'm torn on just how much mileage we would be able to get out of any result from tossing KWhit.

[Autumn]

So far I have the vote as 8 for executing Kayus Whitus and 3 for executing Pathus Twelveus, and the rest abstaining. Looks pretty dead around here.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, rather, weighing the probability that a Tarq would be double-vouched as a good guy, vs. whether we actually gain anything by tossing him if he's not a Tarq.

Ultimately, I don't feel like the equation works in our favor.

While I like working with a good-guy path12, and he offers reasonable excuses for lower participation here, I feel like the balance is in favor of tossing him.

Hence,
VOTE EXECUTE Pathus Twelveus

[Autumn]

Well if Kayus Whitus turns up bad, then we've got a pretty clear case on Anxietus it seems. IF he turns up loyal, I agree that doesn't tell us too much. It's just the only lead I've got. Anxietus has had a lot of realy sketchy things going on, and we tried to execute him. So I feel like we have to follow that trail, unless something else turns up.

[st.cronin]

So far I have the vote as 8 for executing Kayus Whitus and 3 for executing Pathus Twelveus, and the rest abstaining.

That's what I have, too.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'll be back in a little bit to reveal whose services I failed to obtain. :p

[Autumn]

Here's another reason, I don't think KWhit has even shown up to vote in his execution trial. I'm also wondering why Mustangus hasn't voted.

[st.cronin]

deadline

[st.cronin]

Todays lawsuits (winner underlined):

Ardent sues Anxiety
Ardent sues Grammaticus
Ardent sues Mustang
Ardent sues Autumn
Ardent sues Kwhit
Ardent sues Path12
Ardent sues Ironhead
Ardent sues Barkeep
Ardent sues Narcizo
Ardent sues Passacaglia
Ardent sues Tyrith
Ardent sues Chief Rum
Ardent sues Mr. Wednesday
Grammaticus Atticus sues Barkeepus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Anxieteus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Tyrithus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Pathus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Passus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Ironus Hedus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Mustangus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Mr. Wednesday
Autumn SUES ARDENTUS ENTHUSIASTUS
Autumn SUES KAYUS WHITUS
Autumn SUES ABEUS ANXIETUS
Autumn SUES PATHUS TWELVEUS
Autumn SUES PASCALLIGUS

[st.cronin]

pms coming

[Autumn]

Todays lawsuits (winner underlined):

Ardent sues Anxiety
Ardent sues Grammaticus
Ardent sues Mustang
Ardent sues Autumn
Ardent sues Kwhit
Ardent sues Path12
Ardent sues Ironhead
Ardent sues Barkeep
Ardent sues Narcizo
Ardent sues Passacaglia
Ardent sues Tyrith
Ardent sues Chief Rum
Ardent sues Mr. Wednesday
Grammaticus Atticus sues Barkeepus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Anxieteus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Tyrithus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Pathus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Passus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Ironus Hedus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Mustangus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Mr. Wednesday
Autumn SUES ARDENTUS ENTHUSIASTUS
Autumn SUES KAYUS WHITUS
Autumn SUES ABEUS ANXIETUS
Autumn SUES PATHUS TWELVEUS
Autumn SUES PASCALLIGUS

Holy moly, Ardent is a rich bugger.

[st.cronin]

The initial vote in the treason trial is as follows:



9 - KWhit - Narcizo (2899), Tyrith (2939), Autumn (2940), path12 (2960), Chief Rum (2984), Barkeep (3015), Passacaglia (3024), Grammaticus (3027), Mr. Wednesday (3055)

3 - path12 - Ardent (2924), Anxiety (3017), Ironhead (3047)


Narcizus Lispus asks to be heard - he lays out a most convincing case against Kayus Whitus, and another vote is taken. This time the result is unanimous, and Kayus Whitus is hurled to his death.

[path12]

Huh? Why did Narcizus ask for another vote?

[path12]

Dola, not that I don't appreciate it or anything, but it's kind of a surprise.

[st.cronin]

The following Senator has been murdered:

Misterus Wednesdayus, by sword

The following Senators are in jail:

Autumnus Leavus
Abeus Anxietus

[Grammaticus]

I sue:

Anxietus
Barkeepus
Tyrithus
Pathus
Dadeus Torgous
Passus
Ironus Headus
Mustangus
Mr. Wus

[st.cronin]

Huh? Why did Narcizus ask for another vote?

That was Narcizo working as a prosecutor.

[Autumn]

It just means someone hired him to prosecute Kayus I think. Chief Rum said he hired Narcizus I think. THree vote swing.

[Grammaticus]

Huh? Why did Narcizus ask for another vote?

He must have been hired to prosecute.

[Autumn]

The following Senator has been murdered:

Misterus Wednesdayus

The following Senators are in jail:

Autumnus Leavus
Abeus Anxietus

Well, that stinks.

And that stinks.

It doesn't say how he was murdered ...

And Passus, I assume you're the one who arrested me. Um, why?

[Mustang]

Here's another reason, I don't think KWhit has even shown up to vote in his execution trial. I'm also wondering why Mustangus hasn't voted.

I screwed up. I should have voted Path directly (obviously since I voted KWhit innocent...)

[Autumn]

Oh was that you that voted to free KWhit? I was thinking it was the late Mr. W. That makes sense then, sorry, I tried to catch you so you could change that.

[path12]

I feel bad for Mr. W coming in and catching up just to get offed. :(

[st.cronin]

The wealthiest men in Rome are:

Ardentus Enthusiastus
Grammus Atticus


The following men are extremely wealthy:

Abeus Anxietus
Autumnus Leavus


The following men are moderately wealthy:

Ironus Headus
Mustangus Sallus
Narcizus Lispus
Pathus Twelveus


The following (remaining) Senators are of normal wealth:

Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Chiefus Rumus
Passus Caglius
Tyrus Ithus

[Autumn]

I feel bad for Mr. W coming in and catching up just to get offed. :(

Yeah, that's a lot of homework for nothing.

Is it normal to have this much turnover in a big game?

[st.cronin]

The following services are available in the Forum today:

Maximus Maximus, ex-legionnaire
Vitus Avidus, ex-legionnaire
Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves
Macro Gothicus, barbarian turned citizen for his service during wartime
Balbus Senna, political philosopher from Corsica
Faustus Felix, owner of many horses
Bonus Oceanus, owner of many horses

and, of course

Ardentus Enthusiastus
Narcizus Lispus

[st.cronin]

Yeah, that's a lot of homework for nothing.

Is it normal to have this much turnover in a big game?

No. It is disheartening for a gm.

[Autumn]

I hope we made the right execution there, since we lost another one. Any bodyguard activity? It seems the poisoning has just stopped, or we've gotten real lucky.

I'm bummed I got thrown in jail, but I guess in this game everyone's going to take a turn before we get an idea what's going on. I'll be back in the morning to find out why I'm in the slammer, and to see what else we found out last night.

[Autumn]

No. It is disheartening for a gm.

I can imagine, I've run other online roleplaying games and turnover is a killer, and an extra headache chasing down new people. God knows I've spent more time on this than I probably should ahve, so I can't really blame anyone though.

[Mustang]

I hope we made the right execution there, since we lost another one. Any bodyguard activity? It seems the poisoning has just stopped, or we've gotten real lucky.


Doesn't make sense for the Tarqs to stop poisoning. Seems they could win the swordsman and poison someone and kill 2 a night. So, are they being blocked or are body guards doing a good job or what?

[Mustang]

Oh was that you that voted to free KWhit? I was thinking it was the late Mr. W. That makes sense then, sorry, I tried to catch you so you could change that.

Yep.. thought I had my bases covered but, 9-3 turned to 12-0 so.. it would have been 12-1 or 13-0... *shrug*

[st.cronin]

Primer:

Today you must vote for one of the players in jail. You must also elect two new Consuls.

[path12]

Doesn't make sense for the Tarqs to stop poisoning. Seems they could win the swordsman and poison someone and kill 2 a night. So, are they being blocked or are body guards doing a good job or what?

I've been wondering about that myself. I can't imagine that there is not a mechanism that would let you know if the bodyguard you hired blocked an attack......yet I don't recall one person saying that they know their BG's made a block.

But really, I think we've just not done a good job (with exceptions for CR, Narcizo and a few others) in being able to effectively compile all the disparate bits of information that are floating around. I feel if we were all just able to get organized and on the same page we could win this. I blame myself as much as anybody, but I'm trying to get there now.

For example, we need a list of who claimed to hire what each day -- and who actually claimed to get each service each day -- and then what actual affects we saw from that service. I'm sure being able to look at that in a table would help us, and I'm trying to put it together tonight and tomorrow, but it's slow going with 60-odd pages.

We need a lawsuit standings list. We need voting records. We maybe need to track wealth movements (though the hire list should help with that). You get the idea.

There is a TON of information in this game. There may be too much. This game is going to take pure logic to put it together. I don't know that I'm smart enough. :)

[Abe Sargent]

Well, we're 90 minutes after deadline and no messages, so it doesn;t look like I got the sword killer in order to hold on to it. Ah well.

[Grammaticus]

Maybe Narc should just veto all of the lynches until we run a lawyer scan to hit someone who is showing a negative hit?

[Tyrith]

We need to find out what killed Mr.W and what side KWhit was on,before anything else.

[Mustang]

Maybe the swordsman is a guarantee kill but, poison isn't or there is a chance that they could be caught in the act??

Just trying to think of alternate possibilities...

[path12]

We need to find out what killed Mr.W and what side KWhit was on,before anything else.

Cronin has said before what killed people. I wonder why he hasn't this time?

[st.cronin]

GM NOTE:

I WOULD LIKE TO RUN TODAY'S DEADLINE 1 HOUR EARLY. NIGHTFALL VOTES WILL BE HONORED.

[path12]

I'm OK with that.

[st.cronin]

Cronin has said before what killed people. I wonder why he hasn't this time?
post edited, Mr. W was killed by sword

[Grammaticus]

What is a nightfall vote?

[st.cronin]

What is a nightfall vote?

Example:

EXECUTE PLAYER A
VOTE PLAYERS B AND C FOR CONSUL
NIGHTFALL

"Nightfall" indicates you will not change your vote. If everybody votes nightfall, the deadline can be processed immediately.

[path12]

It's a signal that your vote is final. If there are a majority of nightfall votes then the GM can (depending on their policy) end the day before deadline.

[path12]

Our GM is quick.

[path12]

Dammit. I shoulda put Welcome to Hollywood after that.

[Grammaticus]

I see

[Poli]

Balbus Senna visited me. Boring.

Kwhit was loyal. I guess we lynched him. :(

Back to catching up.

BTW, I didn't get a service tonight. I wasn't told what to bid on and forgot to do it. Sorry. :(

[Poli]

1) Ardent killing CW yesterday when we needed a double scan to find out if he was bad or not. If he was good (something I admit I didn't think was likely) then KWhit was likely good and their suspicions of Ardent were very solid
2) Ardent voting to execute path with no explanation given. Of course, he doesn't want KWhit to be executed while there's a chance of me being alive.
3) The evidence does suggest that KWhit must have lied about taking the swordsman. But it's possible that the evidence is faulty. I think I have a reputation for being someone who gets into heavy (over) analysis. An experience player could set up the evidence to condemn KWhit. This would explain why Chief Rum and I have been left alive. We've been offering solid analysis but what if it's faulty analysis? We will never know unless we ascertain KWhit's guilt.

Narc, you're so full of crap. I'm actually going to pull myself out of Peregrine's game and not play again. You, sir, make me sick.

[Poli]

I'm getting really tired of this game. Someone kill me. Please.

[Abe Sargent]

Self preservation vote:

Vote Autumn

Not that I think it will matter much. In fact.

Vote Nightfall

[Poli]

Someone who's gonna do something bad. :)

BTW, there was a miscommunication. I apparently have the services of Narcizo, not ardent. So send the slaves to yourself anyway if you want. ;)

I don't know who has you now.
A little too late. And, I'm not sure what happened yet, or where I rank. If I'm able to help, let me know before I leave in the morning...otherwise, I don't know what I'm expected to do.

[Poli]

Someone who's gonna do something bad. :)

BTW, there was a miscommunication. I apparently have the services of Narcizo, not ardent. So send the slaves to yourself anyway if you want. ;)

I don't know who has you now.
FYI, I sent them to Kwhit.

[Grammaticus]

FYI, I sent them to Kwhit.

So basically there are a bunch of sex slaves running around with nothing to do?

[Poli]

Guess so, and I'm not so agitated right now. I'm out. Watching Idol on Tivo.

Anxiety, you're a bigger man than me if you're willing to take one for the team.

Good luck.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I feel bad for Mr. W coming in and catching up just to get offed. :(

Don't worry 'bout me, I'm not feeling too put out over it. :)

[Ironhead]

No poisonings since Day 6. The Tribune has lived for several days. We are relying strictly on the lawyers for all information as to innocence and guilt. And on top of that the wolves killed...a player who just joined the game today? When there are players out there like Chief Rum, Narcizo, Autumn, etc... that appear to working to win the game for the village. Something is seriously wrong here.

[Poli]

Ardent sues everyone.

[Poli]

I owe Narc an apology for the earlier post. He didn't deserve that. I just don't like seeing accusatory posts that I obviously can't answer until some 12 hours later.

Sorry, narc.

BTW, tomorrow, looks to be me up at 6 and out by 7am. I'll be in Staunton, IL or somewhere abouts. Not sure about what time I will be home, but it's about 2 hours from my home.

[Ironhead]

Question regarding sharing of information in Werewolf. I am going to try and do an extensive update on the service history for the game tomorrow. Would anyone have any objections to me posting that as a *.pdf to share?

[Mustang]

Lawsuit Results. (tried to get as accurate as possible. I might be off one or two lawsuits but, shouldn't skew the results THAT much). Win/Loss record

Ardentus Enthusiastus 33-13
Grammus Atticus 22-11
Abeus Anxietus 11-7
Autumnus Leavus 19-5
Ironus Headus 6-7
Mustangus Sallus 14-19
Narcizus Lispus 9-6
Pathus Twelveus 10-13
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus 7-6
Chiefus Rumus 4-11
Passus Caglius 3-11
Tyrus Ithus 6-5

Obviously, there is some mechanic that affects lawsuits. Ardent, Gramm and Autumn have too large a win percent and Chief and Pass too low for it to be 50/50. Given the AE is a lawyer, that could account for his runs of Wins. Autumn was 11-3 until the last few days.

[Narcizo]

I don't know what this means and I don't even know if I should reveal it considering the fact that it might have some relevence but I got a PM stating that Mr Wednesday was a good guy.

I presume st.cronin just got the name wrong and he meant KWhit.

So following my argument yesterday KWhit being a good guy suggests that Ardent was bad. Unfortunately no-one decided to arrest Ardent, which means we have the richest person in the game free again.

(Incidentally I am sorry if I've offended you Ardent. I tend to get carried away with my own train of thought. If it's any consolation I'm not in the Peregrine game so there's no reason to drop out from that if you've got an issue with me).

[Grammaticus]

So, do you think that both Mr. W and Kwhit were good?

[Narcizo]

Anxiety you're here. I'm trying to put a list together. Who did you take yesterday? I could search through the files but it's easier if you tell me.

[Narcizo]

So, do you think that both Mr. W and Kwhit were good?

Well. I think st.cronin meant that I got confirmation that KWhit was good. I presume Mr W was good as no-one has claimed a kill on him, and there's no reason for a good guy to take out him. Unless it was a hunch again. ;)

[Narcizo]

Bah! Anxiety's gone I'll have to do all the donkey work myself.

[Narcizo]

Aha! He was in prison so couldn't bid on anyone. Right then.

Who's got the swordsman - this was Chief Rum's plan. I don't think he got a whole lot of commitment to it I'm afraid but it should help matter nevertheless.

Ardentus Enthusiastus--(sex slaves) Bid #2790 Confirmed #2838
Kayus Whitus--(sword killer) - Didn't say #2813

The following Romans are extremely wealthy:

Abeus Anxietus--(a bodyguard) - In Prison.
Passus Caglius--(the philosopher) - Claimed #2975.
Pathus Twelveus--(narcizo lawyer) Failed (I think) #2976

The following Romans are of moderate wealth:

Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus--(sword killer) ?
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus--(bodyguard) Dead.
Grammus Atticus--(ardent lawyer (in case Narc doesn't get back to see this before deadline)) Bid #2759
Ironus Headus--(sex slaves) ?
Narcizus Lispus--(ardent lawyer) I bid on the Philosopher. Failed.

The following remaining Romans are of normal wealth:

Autumnus Leavus--(philosopher) Bid #2782. Presumably Failed.
Chiefus Rumus--(narcizo lawyer) - Bid #2751. Claimed Ardent #2902 Claimed Narcizo #2971
Chubbus Chubbus - ?
Daddus Torgous--bodyguard In Prison
Mustangus Sallus Bid Slaves #2773
Tyrus Ithus--sword killer hinted at having a bodyguard #2948

[Narcizo]

Once again I don't think this can be right.

There was hardly any commitment to this plan so it makes it close to impossible to read. I think we can assume that KWhit didn't bid on the swordsman (unless he has a grudge against Chubby/Mr Wednesday). Ardent could have taken the swordsman and faked the sex slaves. (sending them to KWhit seems next to pointless with him in jail probably facing the rock). Or Path didn't bid on me (which Chief seems to back up).

Sooo I would say that either Path or Ardent are guilty. And possibly both. Ardent is easy to check if anyone in the lower levels got the sex slaves. Chief's nabbing me way down means that Path is lying whatever way we cut it.

[Abe Sargent]

Anxiety you're here. I'm trying to put a list together. Who did you take yesterday? I could search through the files but it's easier if you tell me.

As I mentioned earlier, I tried to get the killer, but lost.

[Narcizo]

Right now I'm not understanding quite why Ardent wasn't arrested. It was part of my plan as laid out. I said it, like, a million times. If KWhit is innocent then Ardent has to be bad.

Oh, I forgot. I also said that I'm the Wizard of Oz. :( Sorry KWhit

We could have Ardent in prison now waiting for execution. In fact, if someone had listened to my last post we could also have had Path in prison. Waiting for execution. We would have had a slamdunk.

So this turns my thoughts to Pass and Chief. Two of the three guys I've trusted the most recently. (Autumn is the other. And for reasons I'm trying hard to fathom Autumn sits in prison).

Chief stated he wasn't going to interfere in the trial. And yet he did. And then there's all this business about the lawyer. On the other hand I'm guessing that he did imprison Anxiety, which is a better move than the one favoured by Passa. (If I've read Chief correctly it was he who put Anxiety in the tank).

I don't know what to think anymore. I was certain that KWhit was bad and that wasn't the case.

Hmm.. One more thing. Gramm it looks like you got Ardent yesterday. Who did you scan? If we're following the plan you should have scanned me. It would have been nice if you'd come straight out and said that I was good, you know. Or

[Narcizo]

As I mentioned earlier, I tried to get the killer, but lost.

That's only possible if Ardent got him isn't it? Ardent claims he didn't put in a bid.

[Narcizo]

Hmm.. One more thing. Gramm it looks like you got Ardent yesterday. Who did you scan? If we're following the plan you should have scanned me. It would have been nice if you'd come straight out and said that I was good, you know. Or

... did you scan someone else?

[Abe Sargent]

If KWhit is innocent then Ardent has to be bad.



That's not true. I cleared them both. There is no either/or here.

[Narcizo]

I'm getting a bad feeling about this. Either Anxiety or Ardent has got the swordsman. Both have been playing pretty erratically in this game but my money's on Ardent being bad - the evidence points to it. But Anxiety has cleared Ardent. Either they're both in it together or the lawyer scan is bogus.

[Narcizo]

That's not true. I cleared them both. There is no either/or here.

Well then either you're a wolf or the lawyer scan is bogus. If you're a wolf scanning and clearing KWhit makes you look good. What happens if you then scan a wolf and claim he's good?

[Narcizo]

If lawyer scans are bogus then I'm not liking our chances at the moment.

[Narcizo]

Chief, who did you scan yesterday? And why did you influence the vote?

[Chief Rum]

Balbus Senna visited me. Boring.

Kwhit was loyal. I guess we lynched him. :(

Back to catching up.

BTW, I didn't get a service tonight. I wasn't told what to bid on and forgot to do it. Sorry. :(

You see, this is the maddening part. At the start of this day, it was Anxiety and Ardent at the top of the wealth chain. No one was higher. Everyone was lower. Anxiety claims to have bid on the sword killer and didn't get him. Only one person could beat him for that, and that's you. And you're claiming you didn't bid on a service at all.

So one of you is lying. This is exactly why we're having the problems we're having.

I am very disappointed Autumn is in the tank right now and not ardent. Narcizo's plan was a solid one, and now we'll have to choose whether to kill Anxiety.

Another thing--how on Earth have we not hit a wolf with our rock tosses yet? I am extremely suspicious now. Just out of pure luck we ought to have hit one by now.

I am beginning to strongly suspect that both of our lawyers must be in league (only explanation I can come up with, despite my long held belief that Narcizo has been way too helpful to be a Tarq) and perhaps with Anxiety.

As for a bidding plan, I did not submit one on purpose. Frankly, people weren't showing up and announcing their bids. I didn't see any value in putting up a new one, since the lack of full participation was limiting its effectiveness anyway.

That doesn't mean for everyone to not put in bids, though, and announce them.

I bid for the sword killer and did not get him (no surprise, I am one of the poorest, as I have been most of the game).

[Chief Rum]

Right now I'm not understanding quite why Ardent wasn't arrested. It was part of my plan as laid out. I said it, like, a million times. If KWhit is innocent then Ardent has to be bad.

Oh, I forgot. I also said that I'm the Wizard of Oz. :( Sorry KWhit

We could have Ardent in prison now waiting for execution. In fact, if someone had listened to my last post we could also have had Path in prison. Waiting for execution. We would have had a slamdunk.

So this turns my thoughts to Pass and Chief. Two of the three guys I've trusted the most recently. (Autumn is the other. And for reasons I'm trying hard to fathom Autumn sits in prison).

Chief stated he wasn't going to interfere in the trial. And yet he did. And then there's all this business about the lawyer. On the other hand I'm guessing that he did imprison Anxiety, which is a better move than the one favoured by Passa. (If I've read Chief correctly it was he who put Anxiety in the tank).

I don't know what to think anymore. I was certain that KWhit was bad and that wasn't the case.

Hmm.. One more thing. Gramm it looks like you got Ardent yesterday. Who did you scan? If we're following the plan you should have scanned me. It would have been nice if you'd come straight out and said that I was good, you know. Or

I may have misunderstood you, Narc. Although I'm not sure now why you wouldn't want me to have done what I did. I thought you didn't want influence so that we didn't have a situation like we did with Anxiety getting free and Daddy Torgo getting threown because of lawyers. It seemed like it was important for KWhit to get tossed as part of your plan. So I made sure we didn't have a repeat of the previous day's result and prosecuted KWhit.

Since I chose to offer you up for prosecuting, I didn't get a scan.

[Chief Rum]

If lawyer scans are bogus then I'm not liking our chances at the moment.

If lawyer scans are bogus, I'm beginning to get seriously chipped about the lack of verifiable information in this game. I wish we had more concrete evidence available here.

[Chief Rum]

BTW, yes, it was I that put Anxiety back in jail. I actually thought it was fairly obvious. I mean, the other guys on my list were Tyrith and MrWednesday. Why on Earth would I arrest either of those guys?

Still, there seemed to be tons of discussion on whether I had arrested Anxiety. I guess I should have just said I am arresting Anxiety. :rolleyes:

[Narcizo]

BTW, yes, it was I that put Anxiety back in jail. I actually thought it was fairly obvious. I mean, the other guys on my list were Tyrith and MrWednesday. Why on Earth would I arrest either of those guys?

Still, there seemed to be tons of discussion on whether I had arrested Anxiety. I guess I should have just said I am arresting Anxiety. :rolleyes:

Going back to check on Pass' reason for jailing Autumn. It just seems bizarre to me that he didn't arrest Ardent.

[Narcizo]

Anyway, I'd like to hear from Autumn on arrest possibilities.

My arrest suggestions would be Anxietus and Ardentus.

I'm starting to feel pretty bad about Pass.

[Chief Rum]

I'm starting to feel pretty bad about Pass.

Not that he isn't already under suspicion but that puts ardent in a bad light, too. I think most people paying attention would only have reached the conclusion I was arresting Anxiety. Ardent wasn't on my list. So choosing to ignore the person he stated he wanted to listen to might also show he was protecting ardent.

Of course, this is above and beyond the extraordinary oddity of him arresting the very person he wanted arrest advice from.

BTW, I hope you don't mind I have to be suspicious of even you now. It makes sense, you know, that for us to have the wool pulled over our eyes this much, both lawyers would have to be in on it, and you and ardent have been the lawyering pair for some time right now.

I get the feeling the talk after this game ends about what was really going on is going to be as long as the thread itself.

[Narcizo]

1), Arrest me an AE. Your argument that someotnhing could happen to clear me stands, but if I am cealerd, say bvy today's seer, AND arrested, then that clears AE by extension. So you;d be stuck voting someone off that is cleared. That is why you shouldn;t have either AE and me to choose from. Its a bad strategy.

2). Arrest just me. If somethings does happen to clear me, then at least no republicans can die. I will bid on the sword killer today. If I end up with a lawyer, then you know I'm lying. When I had the option to send a lawyer to the Senate earlier, it was to prosecute. I won't habe a laywer, and noone can send one to help me. If you want to kill me, then commit - stop playing footsie. If you think my death is the Rosetta Stone, then I'm not going to stand in your way.

OK. Looks like you got your wish Anxiety. It'll probably get me killed but I

Vote to Execute Anxiety

I'd like Path and Ardent placed under arrest at the moment. I suspect I'm only going to get one wish fulfilled so I say Ardent is the greater danger and has by far the most evidence against him.

[Narcizo]

BTW, I hope you don't mind I have to be suspicious of even you now. It makes sense, you know, that for us to have the wool pulled over our eyes this much, both lawyers would have to be in on it, and you and ardent have been the lawyering pair for some time right now.


Well I was starting to get a bit suspicious of you as well. I guess that's the fun of werewolf.

[Poli]

Question regarding sharing of information in Werewolf. I am going to try and do an extensive update on the service history for the game tomorrow. Would anyone have any objections to me posting that as a *.pdf to share?
Not sure I know what you mean. That said, no objection.

[Poli]

I don't know what this means and I don't even know if I should reveal it considering the fact that it might have some relevence but I got a PM stating that Mr Wednesday was a good guy.

I presume st.cronin just got the name wrong and he meant KWhit.


Had to be an error. I've never received a message for a sword kill.

[Poli]

Once again I don't think this can be right.

There was hardly any commitment to this plan so it makes it close to impossible to read. I think we can assume that KWhit didn't bid on the swordsman (unless he has a grudge against Chubby/Mr Wednesday). Ardent could have taken the swordsman and faked the sex slaves. (sending them to KWhit seems next to pointless with him in jail probably facing the rock). Or Path didn't bid on me (which Chief seems to back up).

Sooo I would say that either Path or Ardent are guilty. And possibly both. Ardent is easy to check if anyone in the lower levels got the sex slaves. Chief's nabbing me way down means that Path is lying whatever way we cut it.
Only....again....I'm telling the truth. I would have just sent them to myself if only CR had given the word. Instead he said send them somewhere else. I had little time yesterday morning (posting here and putting together my IHOF game plan, I just made the playoffs and those today) and so I quickly thought of who I would want to have them. I thought kwhit might end up with the sword killer so I sent the slaves to him.

No need in having myself sword killed, afterall. Self preservation.

You won't have anyone come forward saying they got the sex slaves for yesterday. If you do, you know they're lieing.

[Poli]

Right now I'm not understanding quite why Ardent wasn't arrested. It was part of my plan as laid out. I said it, like, a million times. If KWhit is innocent then Ardent has to be bad.

Oh, I forgot. I also said that I'm the Wizard of Oz. :( Sorry KWhit

We could have Ardent in prison now waiting for execution. In fact, if someone had listened to my last post we could also have had Path in prison. Waiting for execution. We would have had a slamdunk.

So this turns my thoughts to Pass and Chief. Two of the three guys I've trusted the most recently. (Autumn is the other. And for reasons I'm trying hard to fathom Autumn sits in prison).

Chief stated he wasn't going to interfere in the trial. And yet he did. And then there's all this business about the lawyer. On the other hand I'm guessing that he did imprison Anxiety, which is a better move than the one favoured by Passa. (If I've read Chief correctly it was he who put Anxiety in the tank).

I don't know what to think anymore. I was certain that KWhit was bad and that wasn't the case.

Hmm.. One more thing. Gramm it looks like you got Ardent yesterday. Who did you scan? If we're following the plan you should have scanned me. It would have been nice if you'd come straight out and said that I was good, you know. Or
Maybe they're like me. I have no clue how you've laid out that I am bad if Kwhit was good. And he WAS good.

And I am good. And you WILL apologize for all this when it's over.

[Poli]

That's only possible if Ardent got him isn't it? Ardent claims he didn't put in a bid.
Considering the only PMs I got from cronin yesterday were stating that kwhit was loyal and that he ate a grapefruit thinking it was an orange, yeah, I didn't put in a bid.

Again, no bid from me yesterday. Forgot to do it in my rush.

[Poli]

I'm getting a bad feeling about this. Either Anxiety or Ardent has got the swordsman. Both have been playing pretty erratically in this game but my money's on Ardent being bad - the evidence points to it. But Anxiety has cleared Ardent. Either they're both in it together or the lawyer scan is bogus.

Again, no sword killer here. I didn't bid on anything.

[Poli]

You see, this is the maddening part. At the start of this day, it was Anxiety and Ardent at the top of the wealth chain. No one was higher. Everyone was lower. Anxiety claims to have bid on the sword killer and didn't get him. Only one person could beat him for that, and that's you. And you're claiming you didn't bid on a service at all.

So one of you is lying. This is exactly why we're having the problems we're having.

I am very disappointed Autumn is in the tank right now and not ardent. Narcizo's plan was a solid one, and now we'll have to choose whether to kill Anxiety.

Another thing--how on Earth have we not hit a wolf with our rock tosses yet? I am extremely suspicious now. Just out of pure luck we ought to have hit one by now.

I am beginning to strongly suspect that both of our lawyers must be in league (only explanation I can come up with, despite my long held belief that Narcizo has been way too helpful to be a Tarq) and perhaps with Anxiety.

As for a bidding plan, I did not submit one on purpose. Frankly, people weren't showing up and announcing their bids. I didn't see any value in putting up a new one, since the lack of full participation was limiting its effectiveness anyway.

That doesn't mean for everyone to not put in bids, though, and announce them.

I bid for the sword killer and did not get him (no surprise, I am one of the poorest, as I have been most of the game).

Here's the deal. I didn't send in a PM at all. There's no way I bid on something. I didn't have a message from you, and it slipped my mind.

I didn't even realize I hadn't put a bid in until I saw the message about kwhit. Since that was my only pm, I realize I didn't bid on someone.

[Poli]

I'd also like to note that I'm about to leave for the day, and I still don't have CR or someone telling me who to bid on.

I WILL BE BIDDING ON THE SWORD KILLER.

I WILL BE GOING TO STAUNTON OR MAYBE MT. OLIVE, IL. IT'S ABOUT A 2 HOUR DRIVE FROM PARK HILLS, WHERE I LIVE.

That means I will be again, largely unavailable.

I am getting sick and tired of this game and people claiming I had to have lied. I haven't. Not once.

I am absolutely sick of it.

[Narcizo]

I shan't say anything more as you can't defend yourself for the next 12 hours then.

[Poli]

Thanks, and I'm out of here. Already running late. Banged up from softball and I'm stiff as a board.

[Poli]

VOTE AE FOR CONSUL.

VOTE AUTUMN FOR CONSUL.

Nearly forgot those.

[Narcizo]

OK I've been thinking about this and I'm going to ask for whatever evidence anyone thinks they have on Autumn to step forward. I'd also like some sort of vote. It seems to me that we're nearing the end game. I think there's now a decent chance we can win but that chance diminishes for every villager we lose and we still don't know how many wolves we're dealing with. A bogus execution and a kill today could, potentially, lose us the game.

We know that a two-lawyer combo can completely turn a vote while one lawyer can make a difference and I'm not about to let that happen when it looks like Ardent or Anxiety seem to have the swordsman today and that Ardent will get him tomorrow. It's not something I do lightly but I don't really think "voting patterns" are going to tell us anything today. So I'd like an informal vote as to whether I should exercise my veto right should Autumn be executed. And I'd like anyone to present whatever doubts they have about Autumn. The drawback is that a one man vote means that people can abstain and miss the vote. (I think).

Obviously my time zone restricts me here but I will hold off pulling the trigger for as long as possible. But I'm currently leaning towards doing it.

We also have to vote consuls. And I've noticed a fault in my argument above and I'm interested in hearing from Barkeep and Ironhead about what services they bid on yesterday.

Possible counsels are Ardent, Anxiety, Path, Barkeep, Grammaticus, Ironhead, Autumn, Mustang, Tyrus.

I want a bit more info before making a move on the consel vote. I like Autumn but I want to hear if people think there's a good enough case against him to be executed. I, obviously, won't be voting for Ardent, Anxiety or Path and I have some reservations about Barkeep and Ironhead (not much about Ironhead to be honest), so I'll probably be looking at Gramma, Mustang and Tyrus.

[Grammaticus]

Vote Grammaticus Atticus for Consul

Vote Autumnus for Consul

These are the two people I trust the most outside of Nard and CR, neither of which can run.

[Narcizo]

So I've pretty much given my trust list there but for what it's worth. I reckon that 3 of the bottom 4 are bad. Don't know how many more that leaves from the rest. Presumably 1 or 2. I'm really hoping it's 1.

Chief
Autumn
Tyrus
Ironhead
Grammaticus
Mustang
Barkeep
Pass
Path
Ardent
Anxiety

[Narcizo]

OK I'm off home soon. Probably will only be in briefly tonight. Unless something radical breaks I will change my votes to nightfall and I'll see what everyone has to say about vetoing a Autumn lynch.

Vote Autumn for Consul
Vote Tyrith for Consul

Taken straight from my trust list.

[Passacaglia]

Blah, I posted this morning, but it looks like it didn't go through. Basically, I chose autumn because I figured CR was going to choose anxiety, and I was worried about what effects jailing the lawyer would have on us. I prodded Autumn for information earlier, then jailed him, because he made a comment about Mustang and I forming a circle of trust, because we happened to vote for each other for Consul. I don't expect him to be executed, but I just felt a little suspicious of him from his comment about me, and I didn't feel convinced in his choice of ardent for jailing.

[Tyrith]

Narcizo, I wouldn't be horribly offended if you vetoed Autumn's execution. At this point if you two are both tarqs and in league together, well, good game to you sir.

Lack of verifiable information = PITA. Not getting a scan yesterday = inconvenient, although I think Rum probably made the right play. Not having anyone I can really trust right now = frustrating. I feel like we have to make another darned execution just to figure out where we stand...and there are 12 people left. A little late in the game for that. Unless Anxiety and CW were really in it together, which is certainly possible, otherwise then pretty much the entire field is back in play...damn, I just don't know.

Going to hold off on most of my votes for now, but I'm willing to support myself for consul today.

VOTE ELECT TYRITH

[Tyrith]

Ugh, pass's explanation for yesterday doesn't make me terrifically happy with our legal system being so monarchial.

BTW, I have some weird bug that whenever I try to use the "Quote" button to start a new post on this comp it quotes a post I did that with yesterday -- one of Autumn's really long posts, but it's the same one every time. Can anyone tell me what's causing that?

[Abe Sargent]

I seriously think you guys should be voting nightfall. Let's get this over with.

[Tyrith]

Screw it.

VOTE ELECT AUTUMN

VOTE EXECUTE ANXIETY

[Tyrith]

Tyrith sues Mustang, path, Gramm

[Passacaglia]

I seriously think you guys should be voting nightfall. Let's get this over with.

Am I missing something? What are you talking about?

[Autumn]

Ugh, pass's explanation for yesterday doesn't make me terrifically happy with our legal system being so monarchial.

BTW, I have some weird bug that whenever I try to use the "Quote" button to start a new post on this comp it quotes a post I did that with yesterday -- one of Autumn's really long posts, but it's the same one every time. Can anyone tell me what's causing that?

That's my angry spirit haunting you from jail. ;-)

[Chief Rum]

I'd also like to note that I'm about to leave for the day, and I still don't have CR or someone telling me who to bid on.

I WILL BE BIDDING ON THE SWORD KILLER.

I WILL BE GOING TO STAUNTON OR MAYBE MT. OLIVE, IL. IT'S ABOUT A 2 HOUR DRIVE FROM PARK HILLS, WHERE I LIVE.

That means I will be again, largely unavailable.

I am getting sick and tired of this game and people claiming I had to have lied. I haven't. Not once.

I am absolutely sick of it.

Jeez, AE, why are you being so sensitive? This is Werewolf! If you don't think people are going to call out other people based on the evidence, you should find a new game.

I don't know if you're lying or not. I don't know if Anxiety is. I already knew what your story was on bidding yesterday; there was no need to repeat it ad nauseum several posts in a row. Okay, fine, we get it.

Also, you keep laying out me saying I received your services yesterday as if I somehow chose to do that intentionally to screw with you. Go back and read my posts. There was a moderator error. I was incorrectly informed that I had received your services. I am sorry if I didn't find out I actually had Narcizo until after you left, but if you still have a big issue, take it up with st. cronin, not me.

Look at the rule set. The wealthy win the services. Look at who the wealthy were yesterday: you and Anxiety. And you two have made contradictory statements about your services. You don't see how we would rationally come to this conclusion?

It was nothing personal, as your reaction suggests you're taking it. We're just looking at the evidence. None of it makes sense. It's not the first time and it hasn't just involved you or Anxiety this game. A couple days ago, path claimed to bid on Narcizo the lawyer, and I won him, clearly on a lower wealth ring. How did that happen? One of us must be lying there, too. If someone came out and said I had to be lying, I couldn't deny the evidence, even if I would tell them I wasn't.

I understand you're frustrated. You think the rest of us (who aren't Tarqs) feel different? We don't need this crap right now.

I don't care if you won't read this for 12 hours. I won't read your response for at least 15-16 hours, and I'm not going to respond to you about it. I'm having my say now and that's it. You can have yours and rip into me all you want, as I am sure you will. I'm not going to clog up the thread with this any further.

[Chief Rum]

I am not putting together a plan, because frankly, it's not working. Half of the people involved either aren't bidding for services, or not coming back and saying if they won them or not. Until we have a player roster that will be around and go along with it, I'm not going to waste my time setting one up. I'm glad ardent has bid on the sword killer. Hopefully the rest of you who are high up will bid elsewhere and announce it here.

I'm going to make my arrest order obvious:

I'M GOING TO ARREST ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

There shouldn't be any debate about who I arrest today, although Passacagia at least got the hint yesterday apparently. I'm not arresting ardent for any personal reasons. I had already decided yesterday before I read the latests responses that I was going to arrest him. As I said earlier, I was disappointed he wasn't in jail already.

VOTE TYRITH CONSUL
VOTE AUTUMN CONSUL

That's what I am going with for consuls today.

VOTE THROW ANXIETY OFF OF ROCK

Once again, no great feel for Anxiety's guilt or innocence. Much like KWhit, there is evidence both ways (as it is with ardent and path and several others as well). But we don't learn anything in any other way. Without any concrete evidence in this game, all we can do is keep killing our top suspects, and maybe if we're lucky, we'll finally get one.

I am bidding on Narcizo the lawyer.

I am out for the rest of the day. Good luck. Somebody please just kill me.

[Autumn]

Blah, I posted this morning, but it looks like it didn't go through. Basically, I chose autumn because I figured CR was going to choose anxiety, and I was worried about what effects jailing the lawyer would have on us. I prodded Autumn for information earlier, then jailed him, because he made a comment about Mustang and I forming a circle of trust, because we happened to vote for each other for Consul. I don't expect him to be executed, but I just felt a little suspicious of him from his comment about me, and I didn't feel convinced in his choice of ardent for jailing.

Well, that will teach me to make offhand remarks. I would have hoped spending all day doing useful analysis would counteract my "circle of trust" remark. I don't even remember why I said that, but something about you two both electing each other or something? It seems the sort of thing we're supposed to be trying to notice here.

I can't say I'm not frustrated at how this went. I'm not the one pushing for Ardent to be in jail!! How many times have i said that? I arrested KWhit and Anxiety, even though Ardent was a suspect even then. I said we should rearrest Anxiety. We need to make two arrests though, and several *other* people were pushing for Ardent. Given we don't have any other real suspects that I know of, it makes sense to me.

Yes, jailing a lawyer is bad. But we've been avoiding that from day one, and it seems to me there's a lot of evidence that either Ardent or Anxiety is bad. Somebody's killing people with the sword killer. And again - it wasn't my idea! I guess next time people ask me for my opinion on arrests I should just keep my mouth shut.

I'm not going to come up with some conspiracy theory about how this happened, since all game we've all been making good intentioned mistakes. It seems a rather inopportune time though to arrest someone high on the trust list, getting high on the wealth list, and getting votes for consul. Oh well.

[Tyrith]

If we're afraid of the lawyers screwing with our votes...

If we're not able to get scan results from them anyway...

If we can't trust the scan results we do get...

Screw keeping AE out of jail. At this point it's not helping too much, is it?

[Tyrith]

We haven't heard much at all out of BK for the last day or two, I'd like to note.

[Grammaticus]

If we're afraid of the lawyers screwing with our votes...

If we're not able to get scan results from them anyway...

If we can't trust the scan results we do get...

Screw keeping AE out of jail. At this point it's not helping too much, is it?

It's nice to know that lawyers have not changed much in the last 2,500 years or so. :)

[Passacaglia]

If we're afraid of the lawyers screwing with our votes...

If we're not able to get scan results from them anyway...

If we can't trust the scan results we do get...

Screw keeping AE out of jail. At this point it's not helping too much, is it?

You're probably right -- at this point, he's probably more likely to keep a wolf free, rather than keep an innocent person free. I guess I'm just afraid that we don't know as much as we think we do, and an innocent person might need help against the majority -- and they might be able to get it, while the wolves are out trying to hire the killer.

[Tyrith]

You're probably right -- at this point, he's probably more likely to keep a wolf free, rather than keep an innocent person free. I guess I'm just afraid that we don't know as much as we think we do, and an innocent person might need help against the majority -- and they might be able to get it, while the wolves are out trying to hire the killer.

But if a bad guy is fighting against the majority and can get a lawyer to get out of it, we're in worse shape (don't know HOW much worse at this point, but clearly worse shape) than if we accidentally get a good guy offed because of it. And if the good guy gets help we're probably going to think he's bad and try to kill him again anyway.

[Narcizo]

Meh! I'm not going to have any time tonight. I get one "maybe" from Tyrith, pretty typical for this game really. (admittedly my time zone doesn't help)

To my mind this execution is about whether Anxiety is bad or not. (I think he is - others think he might be and it will give info). I'm not fantastically happy with Pass' explanation of why he chose Autumn. I have him high up my trust list so I'm going to make this vote soley about Anxiety. I'm a bit dubious if you want to use his execution to find information even if he's innocent at this late stage but so be it. I think he's guilty, he was in and out when I was trying to ask him stuff and just didn't offer much explanation. There's been a bunch of stuff I have thought was odd about him all game. I could go and dig it up but Doctor Who is nearly on so I won't. :)

I'm sending my veto order to st.cronin. You still have to vote Autumn or Anxiety but Autumn will be the equivalent of Anxiety = innocent in a one man vote.

Don't know how I do this st.cronin.

Vote Nightfall

I think we get our first confirmed wolf today.

[Abe Sargent]

Anything anyone wanna know beore I die? any questions you would liek to get the answers to before I die?

[Autumn]

Obviously, I'm happy to be freed, and given the lawyer interference in this game, it seems a safe order to put in, just in case. We don't want another Daddyus Torgous incident.

Obviously, I don't get to bid on anything today. As for consul, why buck the trend? I'll vote for myself. Other than me we've got three votes for Tyrus and one for Grammus and Ardentus. Tyrith seems a good bet, he's been active lately and seems likely to be sure to make an arrest and to listen to the crowd. So I'll stay with the crowd.

ELECT AUTUMNUS LEAVUS TO CONSUL
ELECT TYRUS ITHUS TO CONSUL

VOTE TO THROW ABEUS ANXIETUS FROM THE ROCK
VOTE NIGHTFALL

[Tyrith]

VOTE NIGHTFALL

[Autumn]

I can't imagine we're going to have enough people get in here before night to do a nightfall. Some people haven't been showing up until right before deadline, so they might even miss it. I don't know whether everybody's just busy lately, or if everybody's a traitor and lurking :-) I'll get back to work and check in occasionally.

[path12]

Seems like the decision is already made, I guess.

VOTE TYRITHUS CONSUL
VOTE AUTUMNUS CONSUL

TOSS ABEUS

I'm going to bid on the second bodyguard, if anyone is still paying attention to those types of things.

[Passacaglia]

Well just in case we do get a nightfall vote (I don't remember seeing this in the rules?)...

VOTE EXECUTE ANXIETUS
VOTE NARCIZUS CONSUL
VOTE IRONHEADUS CONSUL

[Tyrith]

Narcizo is ineligible for consul...

[Grammaticus]

I think Autumn is more likely to be good.

Vote to throw Abeus Anxietus onto the rock

[st.cronin]

I think Autumn is more likely to be good.

Vote to throw Abeus Anxietus onto the rock

nightfall?

[Poli]

Oh

Nightfall

Just got home. Going to eat with my wife and then I'll be back.

[Grammaticus]

Nightfall

[Passacaglia]

Oh, duh.

VOTE PATH12 CONSUL

[Ironhead]

http://download.yousendit.com/4512C0A626031EFF

I am trying to update my list of services that everyone has won and what they have bid on. I uploaded lists of what I have right now above. I am going to go back through the thread to try and piece together the bids of people who are no longer in the game. For the people currently in the game it would be much easier for everyone if you just stated what you have bid on and won in the past. There really is no reason not to reveal that information at this point unless there is something to hide.

[Autumn]

I'm taking a look at that report, Senator, and see what I can add.

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, I had a few minutes here. It seems that no one had any questions to ask me before I died to gt any info out there. I beleive I said everything, but I'd have been happy to have givien more. I'll not be back until after lynch. By then, I'll be dead, and I can at least get my sadistic little "Hah hah" moment out of the way.

Catch you on the flip side.

[Autumn]

Here's a quick first pass through ... I'll be back later and look at this again. You had some things I didn't have, so I can't confirm your whole list, but here are additions.

Additions to Bids Won:

Day 4
Pascalligus won Maximus Maximus
I have Mustang winning Furious, but this seems to not work with your chart, so not sure what happened there.

Day 5
Cofee WArlord wins Animus Sentus

Day 6
Passcaligus wins a bodyguard

Day 7
Anxiety wins Narcizo

Day 8
Tyrith wins a bodyguard

[Ironhead]

Something I can definitely say in defense on Anxiety is that in going through the list of services that people have bid on he is the only other play in the game that I have a recorded bid for every single day.

[Barkeep49]

Work is busy tonight. I'm going to go ahead and vote for

Autumn and Tyrith for Consuls

[Ironhead]

I have to be honest, I just don't see why everyone thinks Anxiety is bad. The only thing that I can point to that really left a bad taste in my mouth was when he used slaves on Ardent and prevented Dodgerchick from defending herself. Then again I might have made a mistake when I used Ardent to prosecute DaddyTorgo. But from everything I can tell he was pretty transparent throughout the game, much more than I can say about most players in the game.

Anxiety or Autumn. I don't think either are guilty. I have to point out that there are 12 players still left in the game. If we assume there were 5 or 6 wolves to start the game this could be the last night of the game if the victory condition was to obtain even numbers. I am not willing to place my vote on either Senator.

VOTE TO ABSTAIN FROM THE LYNCH

VOTE IRONHEAD FOR CONSUL
VOTE AUTUMN FOR CONSUL

[Mustang]

SUE EVERYONE

VOTE EXECUTE AUTUMNUS

It is my opinion that the suing has some hidden mechanic. I'm going with the person that has the higher win percentage. Seems as much as people like to analyze and chatter that this hasn't even been remotely discussed and glossed over. (Think I saw one person ask for it so, I went back).

VOTE AE Consul
VOTE Anxietus Consul

[Autumn]

I'm not sure when deadline is going to be, but my votes are all set. Looks like I'm on for giving the kids a bath and putting them to bed, so I won't be on 'til later. Looks to me like Mustang is the only one who hasn't voted yet.

[Poli]

Oh

Nightfall

Just got home. Going to eat with my wife and then I'll be back.
Well, that party definitely sucked balls. Long story short, I still haven't eaten and I think my mother in law is probably ticked off at us. Heh, so be it.

Anyhow, I'll catch up now.

[Autumn]

dola

I spoke too soon. That's all of us. It certainly seems there's some mechanic behind suits, but it's not at all clear to me what it is. I initially thought it was just an inherent hidden characteristic of each player, but it seems to have changed over the course of the game.

It doesn't seem to have any sort of correlation between who I trust and mistrust, or who has been shown to be innocent, so I haven't paid much heed to it.

[Poli]

I seriously think you guys should be voting nightfall. Let's get this over with.
My bad, dude. I forgot to do that earlier. Hopefully we're all set soon if not already.

[Mustang]

Given that nothing else has worked to date.. I'm trying something new.

[Mustang]

Vote Nightfall

[st.cronin]

I think I can say deadline, let me just double check everything.

[Poli]

Jeez, AE, why are you being so sensitive? This is Werewolf! If you don't think people are going to call out other people based on the evidence, you should find a new game.

OOG: There wasn't a rip on you, at least not intended. It's just I've come to rely on you for information, and that's actually probably a bad thing at this point. Still, I've felt like I could trust you after a few days and have done so.

I didn't intend for anything I wrote this morning to seem like I was more than angry at you. In fact, I can't remember most of what I said. It's just I hate having people assume I'm lieing when I most definitely am not.

I've actually looked forward to the mornings because I knew your analysis would provide me with information on what is going on and who to look at.

And, you're right. I should probably leave the game. You're right, it is werewolf. And you're probaby right, I'm tired of it.

[Poli]

I am not putting together a plan, because frankly, it's not working. Half of the people involved either aren't bidding for services, or not coming back and saying if they won them or not. Until we have a player roster that will be around and go along with it, I'm not going to waste my time setting one up. I'm glad ardent has bid on the sword killer. Hopefully the rest of you who are high up will bid elsewhere and announce it here.

I'm going to make my arrest order obvious:

I'M GOING TO ARREST ARDENT ENTHUSIAST
Meh.

[Poli]

Something I can definitely say in defense on Anxiety is that in going through the list of services that people have bid on he is the only other play in the game that I have a recorded bid for every single day.
Winging it here a bit, but I know I bid on the slaves again in day 3...did that two days in a row.

After the horses, I bid on the philosopher I believe. The next day I believe I tried for a legionaire.

I would say I could check my PM history, but I've been cleaning that out on a near daily basis.

The last day with nothing is most definitely correct.

[st.cronin]

Ok, officially deadline. Lawsuit results to follow.

[Poli]

AE sues everyone as for the start of day. I don't know if I'm in jail. I don't care.

[st.cronin]

The results of today's lawsuits:

Ardent sues Passus Caglius
Ardent sues Tyrus Ithus
Ardent sues Chiefus Rumus
Ardent sues Barkeepus Fortynineus
Ardent sues Pathus TwelveusArdent sues Narcizus Lispus
Ardent sues Ironus Headus
Ardent sues Mustangus Sallus
Ardent sues Abeus Anxietus
Ardent sues Autumnus Leavus
Ardent sues Grammus AtticusGrammaticus Atticus sues Chiefus Rumus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Abeus Anxietus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Barkeepus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Tryithus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Patheus Twelveus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Passus Caligulas
Grammaticus Atticus sues Ironus Headus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Mustangus
Tyrith sues Mustang
Tyrith Sues Barkeep
Autumn SUES ABEUS ANXIETUS
Autumn SUES ARDENTUS ENTHUSIASTUS
Autumn SUES MUSTANGUS
Autumn SUES GRAMMUS ATTICUS
Tyrith sues path12

[st.cronin]

The initial vote for execution today is as follows:

2 - Autumn - Anxiety (3103), mustang (3190)
7 - Anxiety - Narcizo (3137), tyrith (3158), Chief Rum (3163), Autumn (3172), path12 (3175), passacaglia (3176), grammaticus (3178)

And then, a messenger from the Temples of Jupiter bears a message to the Tribune, Narcizus. Reading it, Narcizus goes grey - and then stands and announces, "Senators, I execute my Tribunal Authority and declare this trial null and void. Both accused parties are set free."

[st.cronin]

No Senators have been murdered.

The following Senators are in jail:

Pathus Twelveus
Ardentus Enthusiastus

[st.cronin]

pms coming (usually I do this first, but it doesn't affect the outcome of events)

[Poli]

The initial vote for execution today is as follows:

2 - Autumn - Anxiety (3103), mustang (3190)
7 - Anxiety - Narcizo (3137), tyrith (3158), Chief Rum (3163), Autumn (3172), path12 (3175), passacaglia (3176), grammaticus (3178)

And then, a messenger from the Temples of Jupiter bears a message to the Tribune, Narcizus. Reading it, Narcizus goes grey - and then stands and announces, "Senators, I execute my Tribunal Authority and declare this trial null and void. Both accused parties are set free."

Ooh, I actually like this call.

[Poli]

No Senators have been murdered.

The following Senators are in jail:

Pathus Twelveus
Ardentus Enthusiastus
What I don't like, is this call.

[Poli]

Actually, this will get me out of this game faster, in theory. I support it.

[st.cronin]

The new Consuls of Rome are:

Tyrus Ithus
Autumnus Leavus

[Poli]

I got the assassin.

[st.cronin]

Financial standings will have to wait until morning, as I'm swamped.

Additionally, this will be the same schedule as last week - next deadline is Saturday am, then Sunday pm.

[Poli]

As a lawyer, can I will my money to someone?

[Poli]

Throw Path from the rock.

I mean, that should be fairly obvious.

[Barkeep49]

Throw Path from the rock.

I mean, that should be fairly obvious.
Yeah that was not exactly a surprise :)

[Autumn]

The initial vote for execution today is as follows:

2 - Autumn - Anxiety (3103), mustang (3190)
7 - Anxiety - Narcizo (3137), tyrith (3158), Chief Rum (3163), Autumn (3172), path12 (3175), passacaglia (3176), grammaticus (3178)

And then, a messenger from the Temples of Jupiter bears a message to the Tribune, Narcizus. Reading it, Narcizus goes grey - and then stands and announces, "Senators, I execute my Tribunal Authority and declare this trial null and void. Both accused parties are set free."

What? I thought Narcizo said he was only going to veto if I was executed??? How is it that Anxiety gets out of jail every time we try to execute him???

I've got to go put the kids to bed, so I won't be back until later, but I just can't believe this.

What does the message mean? Is that just color text? I know Narcizo doesn't get on 'til much later so I guess we'll have to wait and find out. Arg.

[Poli]

I could have swore I voted as well. I mean, it all comes out in the wash, but I thought I did.

[Ironhead]

Okay, no poison kills since Day 6 is strange. I see a couple of definite possibilities:

1) The people killed on Day 6 were Peregrine (by poison) and Neon Chaos (lynched). The fact that Peregrine was poisoned clears him as good to me. Ardent said that Neon Chaos was good, and since Neon Chaos was the other lawyer there is no one to corroborate this statement. Perhaps the ability to poison Senators was a trait that was solely available to Neon Chaos, and his death ended the ability of the wolves to do this. That would of course implicate Ardent in lying about Neon Chaos' allegiance.

2) A possibility is that scans only work if you correctly scan the wolf doing the night kill. If we have actually knocked off a few wolves then they might be afraid of doing a poisoning, worried that a scan will reveal them to the village.

3) The wolves have managed to grab control of both of the lawyer spots and the Tribune of the Plebs and therefore control the information that is fed to the village, as well as lynches. Think about it. Narcizo at this point can basically suggest to arrest someone and then just declare the trial null and void. This results in a huge cycle of wasted time for the village. I am glad that Anxiety and Autumn did not get voted out last night but I don't trust the fact that Narcizo is alive in 1) the second lawyer position and 2) as the Tribune. These were positions that were being targeted all game long. Given that the assignment to these roles were random, there is no way the wolves could have envisioned landing both of them.

At this point I honestly think we need to start considering the strong possibility that both Ardent and Narcizo are bad. At this point Ardent will likely get my vote tonight.

[Poli]

Which, of course, I wasn't lieing. Ever.

[Tyrith]

I won the first BG.

[Abe Sargent]

I was so expecting to be dead now. Wow.

[path12]

Huh. Jail again? OK, this is pretty obvious too:

VOTE TOSS ARDENT

[Poli]

Wait. Can I just plead guilty and throw myself off the rock?

I mean, I'm not guilty but it would sure get me out of this game, and then Narc could/would have alot of explaining to do when I came out clean.

Additionally, can I resign as the best lawyer?

[Grammaticus]

Okay, no poison kills since Day 6 is strange. I see a couple of definite possibilities:

1) The people killed on Day 6 were Peregrine (by poison) and Neon Chaos (lynched). The fact that Peregrine was poisoned clears him as good to me. Ardent said that Neon Chaos was good, and since Neon Chaos was the other lawyer there is no one to corroborate this statement. Perhaps the ability to poison Senators was a trait that was solely available to Neon Chaos, and his death ended the ability of the wolves to do this. That would of course implicate Ardent in lying about Neon Chaos' allegiance.

2) A possibility is that scans only work if you correctly scan the wolf doing the night kill. If we have actually knocked off a few wolves then they might be afraid of doing a poisoning, worried that a scan will reveal them to the village.

3) The wolves have managed to grab control of both of the lawyer spots and the Tribune of the Plebs and therefore control the information that is fed to the village, as well as lynches. Think about it. Narcizo at this point can basically suggest to arrest someone and then just declare the trial null and void. This results in a huge cycle of wasted time for the village. I am glad that Anxiety and Autumn did not get voted out last night but I don't trust the fact that Narcizo is alive in 1) the second lawyer position and 2) as the Tribune. These were positions that were being targeted all game long. Given that the assignment to these roles were random, there is no way the wolves could have envisioned landing both of them.

At this point I honestly think we need to start considering the strong possibility that both Ardent and Narcizo are bad. At this point Ardent will likely get my vote tonight.
I previously suggested the underlined part of point number 2 and have been generally assuming that to be the case.

[Tyrith]

Can't really disagree with that logic at the moment...it seems like we'd ahve hit SOMETHING by now.

[Poli]

Retiring to chambers. Early day in the morning. Finishing touches at work before I get ready for Arizona.

[Grammaticus]

Grammaticus Atticus sues the following:

Anxietus
Tyrithus
Barkeepus
Pathus
Passus
Ironus Headus
Mustangus

[Grammaticus]

So, did we get a BG block?

[Ironhead]

So, did we get a BG block?

I had Titus Ludius last night and protected myself. I received no message regarding a block. There was nothing in the role that indicated I will be notified of a block though.

[Grammaticus]

I had Titus Ludius last night and protected myself. I received no message regarding a block. There was nothing in the role that indicated I will be notified of a block though.

Somebody else said earlier in the game, they asked st.cronin and he advised the BG would let you know if he blocked anyone.

[Grammaticus]

Of course when can you trust hired help these days?

[Tyrith]

honestly, at this point I don't trust ANYTHING in this game

[Narcizo]

Ooh, I actually like this call.

Well duh! Of course you do.

OK. I'm guessing this is a duke role. (I've checked my PM because at first I thought I might have accidentally written Anxiety instead of Autumn, what with their names both beginning with A and all). I didn't send in an order to veto Anxiety's execution. There's no reason for me to do so, as I'm sure he is a baddie. Anxiety claims that he didn't know he had a duke role which means either he's lying or someone else used it to save him. Either way he's a baddie.

Ardent is one of our bad guys. He also has the swordsman. I don't think there's any option here. I think there's a good chance Path is bad but I'd rather take out the guy with the sword at the moment. It's pretty clear what we have to do. Arrest and scan Anxiety, rearrest and scan Path, toss Ardent. Don't know why Ardent or Anxiety didn't kill someone yesterday - I expect to hear news about a block or the sex slaves.

Vote Execute Ardent

If I can be bothered I'm going to dredge up all the arguments against Ardent. We also need to start looking at other people as baddies and not get completely caught up in this.

[Narcizo]

3) The wolves have managed to grab control of both of the lawyer spots and the Tribune of the Plebs and therefore control the information that is fed to the village, as well as lynches. Think about it. Narcizo at this point can basically suggest to arrest someone and then just declare the trial null and void. This results in a huge cycle of wasted time for the village. I am glad that Anxiety and Autumn did not get voted out last night but I don't trust the fact that Narcizo is alive in 1) the second lawyer position and 2) as the Tribune. These were positions that were being targeted all game long. Given that the assignment to these roles were random, there is no way the wolves could have envisioned landing both of them.


OK. This doesn't make a huge amount of sense, consider the scenarios.
1) Ardent and I are bad, Anxiety was good. I'd let Anxiety take the plunge and Ardent and I say that Anxiety was a bad guy.
2) I'm bad, Anxiety and Ardent are good. Why would I build up my case against them and then screw it up by freeing Anxiety? Because I'm worried that Ardent will contradict me when Anxiety dies? I think that I'd take my chances in a head to head argument with Ardent.
3) I'm good and I think Anxiety's bad. No reason to save him.
4) I'm good and I think Anxiety's good. I just like playing with you all. For a giggle.

Basically, there is no logical reason for me to spare Anxiety.

But if you want to think Ardent and I are both bad, then chuck Ardent. If I save him then kill me.

[Narcizo]

I'm busy preparing the NAFL draft today so I won't be here much today and even less tomorrow. The case against Ardent is pretty much as big as I've seen in a WW game without a confirmed seer coming out and saying that someone is a wolf. If we can't get an execution based on that then, frankly, the wolves deserve to win.

I'm interested in hearing from the people who didn't vote yesterday. Not voting in that case was actually illegal, as it was, theoretically, a two-horse race. (Who was to know it was actually a no-horse race).

This game is starting to wear me down. I can't think straight about it. I just want it to be over one way or the other.

[Narcizo]

Just to point out that the wolves are probably going to be trying to get a no-result (again) on this one. I'm going to give up if that happens.

[Chief Rum]

Sorry, Anxiety, but this is getting ridiculous. You need to die now, even if you're the saintliest among us. I would think even you would understand that now, and accept it if you were good (I wouldn't expect you to accept it if you were bad).

ardent, I won't vote to free you, but I have suspicions of path, too, so if you promise to use your assassin "wisely", I will vote the other guy off the rock. Or you off the rock, if that's really what you want.

I am sick of the vote and toss method of killing. It's time to go direct. I don't want to control the assassin to stop the Tarqs from getting him anymore. I want to control the assassin so I can go serial on everyone I suspect of being a Tarq and remove them without the "aid" of a lawyer. And damn the lawyer results from rock tossings--we haven't been able to trust that from the get-go anyway.

[Narcizo]

The fact that he has the swordsman is the very reason we ought to execute Ardent not be kicking him loose, Chief. What good is a promise going to be at this stage? I asked him not to kill Coffee a while ago but Ardent ignored that and killed him anyway.

If path isn't bad and Ardent assassainates a villager then we've tipped the scales hugely in the favour of the wolves. Trying to use him as a hitman for hire seems very dangerous.

[Chief Rum]

The fact that he has the swordsman is the very reason we ought to execute Ardent not be kicking him loose, Chief. What good is a promise going to be at this stage? I asked him not to kill Coffee a while ago but Ardent ignored that and killed him anyway.

If path isn't bad and Ardent assassainates a villager then we've tipped the scales hugely in the favour of the wolves. Trying to use him as a hitman for hire seems very dangerous.

I actually said I wouldn't vote to remove him. I would want the consuls to rearrest him. But killing him might mean the sword killer can't be sued, and right now I am thinking a well-placed kill for the good guys outweighs keeping ardent alive and in jail for another day.

But then it's probably just my frustration speaking. Besides, ardent wants to leave the game anyway.

[Poli]

Well duh! Of course you do.

OK. I'm guessing this is a duke role. (I've checked my PM because at first I thought I might have accidentally written Anxiety instead of Autumn, what with their names both beginning with A and all). I didn't send in an order to veto Anxiety's execution. There's no reason for me to do so, as I'm sure he is a baddie. Anxiety claims that he didn't know he had a duke role which means either he's lying or someone else used it to save him. Either way he's a baddie.
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Well that's certainly interesting and not what I was expecting to hear from you.

[Poli]

Ardent is one of our bad guys.
And again, you're wrong. And you ARE going to apologize when this is all over for being so confident AND yet so wrong.

[Poli]

Ardent is one of our bad guys. He also has the swordsman.




The more I think about it, the more I wonder if you're not the bad one, Narc. You're willing to take most of my statements as true, but then say I must be lieing about others...others that fit your idea that I MUST be bad.

For example, I must be bad and I have the sword killer because I announced it. Makes perfect sense I'd go right out and announce everything I've ever done, and makes perfect sense for a bad guy to accept some of the things I've done as truth and decide other things I've done are bad just because.

Heh. I hate this game.

[Poli]

2) I'm bad, Anxiety and Ardent are good. Why would I build up my case against them and then screw it up by freeing Anxiety? Because I'm worried that Ardent will contradict me when Anxiety dies? I think that I'd take my chances in a head to head argument with Ardent.


I doubt you would.

[Poli]

The case against Ardent is pretty much BS and as much BS as I've seen in a WW game without someone coming out and confirming that he's not a wolf.

...frankly, the wolves deserve to win.

I can't think straight about it. I just want it to be over one way or the other.

Fixed for you. You're right. You're not thinking straight, wolf.

[Poli]

Sorry, Anxiety, but this is getting ridiculous. You need to die now, even if you're the saintliest among us. I would think even you would understand that now, and accept it if you were good (I wouldn't expect you to accept it if you were bad).

ardent, I won't vote to free you, but I have suspicions of path, too, so if you promise to use your assassin "wisely", I will vote the other guy off the rock. Or you off the rock, if that's really what you want.

I am sick of the vote and toss method of killing. It's time to go direct. I don't want to control the assassin to stop the Tarqs from getting him anymore. I want to control the assassin so I can go serial on everyone I suspect of being a Tarq and remove them without the "aid" of a lawyer. And damn the lawyer results from rock tossings--we haven't been able to trust that from the get-go anyway.
I'm not sure what you mean by "wisely".

[Poli]

I actually said I wouldn't vote to remove him. I would want the consuls to rearrest him. But killing him might mean the sword killer can't be sued, and right now I am thinking a well-placed kill for the good guys outweighs keeping ardent alive and in jail for another day.

But then it's probably just my frustration speaking. Besides, ardent wants to leave the game anyway.
This much is true. I'm seriously just tired of this werewolf stuff at this point. Last year I could take the accusations, but I can't anymore. Not now anyhow.

[Poli]

Off to work. I see you're online somewhere, CR. Good luck. You're about the only person I trust in this game. Well, you and Autumn. Not to say that's an absolute trust...but I feel good about you.

[Poli]

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[Poli]

gah, stupid quick reply. I do expect to be home around noon central today.

[Narcizo]

For example, I must be bad and I have the sword killer because I announced it. Makes perfect sense I'd go right out and announce everything I've ever done, and makes perfect sense for a bad guy to accept some of the things I've done as truth and decide other things I've done are bad just because.

Heh. I hate this game.

I know the feeling. I'm getting tired of having to repeat myself. There's not been one thing that I've said about you that I haven't backed up with evidence. So we'll do it one more time then shall we?

You must have the sword killer today if you claim you bid on him because you must have the most money because you've been winning all those suits for some reason I've been at a loss to fathom.

Anxiety or you must have had the sword killer yesterday because Anxiety claimed that he bid on him and didn't get him while you claimed that you didn't put in a bid. Conveniently. You're richer than Anxiety. If you didn't put the bid in then Anxiety would have got the sword killer. One, or both of you are lying.

You can start throwing as many accusations as you like Ardent. But try backing them up with something concrete eh? I'm starting to get sick of the self-righteous tone you're adopting.