Werewolf XXII - Way of the Colt - Game over, congrats samurai!

[Alan T]

STROKE Egos??? :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

STROKE EGOS??????? :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Inigo Montoya Says "You keep using that word. I don't think that word means what you intend it to mean."

I was intending to deflate egos. to Puncture egos. To reduce egos.

But to stroke egos..

Well that just makes the baby Foz cry.

(But then again, the Baby Foz cries at a lot of things)

:D

moushinikui ! eibunpou nigatedearu

(sorry, my english is weak!)

Err, yeah I meant to say deflate egos... Too much samurai sword practicing and not enough literature for me!

[Desnudo]

Surprised you didn't vote for Blade just on the basis of being annoyed with him.

He showed last game that being dead doesn't shut him up. Tempting, very, very, tempting, but I try and vote with my head even if my emotions leak into the thread. :)

[path12]

Since when did saying that you think day 1 isn't a good time to take out a proven good player in a game where many aren't playing make you an asshat? I didn't go overboard like Blade.

True, you didn't go overboard like Blade, but Blade is always overboard so it's kind of expected. But you let Fozzie get under your skin which led to posts like (crap, I can't figure out how to do multiple quotes, so I'll just paraphrase):

Post 176: "I refuse to work with you guys this game"
Post 196: "I didn't mind playing until...(complaints about Fozzie & Desnudo)
Post 215: "I hope I'm not on the same team as you because if you're a samurai we won't win."

But hey, everyone gets frustrated at times. And I did mention that I believed you were likely good at this point, and that I wasn't voting for you.

[path12]

My biggest concern right now is that there are so many feathers ruffled up that people will be voting based on who is annoying them the most, whether its Fozzie or Blade or Dubb or someone else, rather than us trying to work out a logical pattern to extend our circle of trust.

I hear what you're saying, but as far as working out a logical pattern -- it's day 1. There is no pattern yet. Voting based on ruffled feathers is as valid as a random number generator far as I can tell.

[Blade6119]

I honestly doubt the wolves touch dubb or I...why would they at this point(esp. me). No one trusts me or wants me alive, and ill will prob. be lynched in the next day or so...what purpose does it do the wolves to kill me now, unless fozzie is a wolf.

And fozzie, i know hoops asked you to play, and i apologize if ive forced you to not want to play WW again, as i loved some of your games. Ive been playing mind games all weekend, and having fun playing with you. I would hope, as someone who made quite a bit of fun of me, you could take it as well as give it

[TazFTW]

VOTE BLADE6119

[Desnudo]

Not knowing Blades role, I really couldn't care less. He's as likely to be bad as anyone else. He's attached himself pretty strongly to me, that in and of itself makes me suspecious. It's always best for a bad guy to attach himself to someone that is clean.

There aren't many things I'm sure of at this point, but I am sure that Blade has an internet man crush on you.

[dubb93]

There aren't many things I'm sure of at this point, but I am sure that Blade has an internet man crush on you.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Blade6119]

Ill reiterate, i purposely tried to rile people up to see what reactions i could get. I have never gone broad with my attacks before, but i decided its day one and i wanted to draw out some discussion...and boy did i. You may not like it, but were on page 11 before anyone has died or a event taken place...thats discussion, and discussion of any nature is good.

[path12]

There aren't many things I'm sure of at this point, but I am sure that Blade has an internet man crush on you.

I think it's safe to say that would not please Chuck Norris.

[Blade6119]

There aren't many things I'm sure of at this point, but I am sure that Blade has an internet man crush on you.
Well, besides the fact that im madly in love with dubb, can you bring up some quotes where i say he is a samurai? Where i say i know hes not a ninja? I thought all i said was fozzie isnt playing a samurai game so far.

[Eaglesfan27]

Ill reiterate, i purposely tried to rile people up to see what reactions i could get. I have never gone broad with my attacks before, but i decided its day one and i wanted to draw out some discussion...and boy did i. You may not like it, but were on page 11 before anyone has died or a event taken place...thats discussion, and discussion of any nature is good.
Your attacks were certainly broad. I think you've offended a lot of people and will likely be hung quite early in this game. I don't know if I would consider that a good tactic.

[dubb93]

Your attacks were certainly broad. I think you've offended a lot of people and will likely be hung quite early in this game. I don't know if I would consider that a good tactic.

If we're still voting on petty grudges by day 2 and 3 we will have already lost.

[Eaglesfan27]

If we're still voting on petty grudges by day 2 and 3 we will have already lost.
By day 3, I would agree. Day 2 often ends up still being a relative crapshoot.

[Desnudo]

Well, besides the fact that im madly in love with dubb, can you bring up some quotes where i say he is a samurai? Where i say i know hes not a ninja? I thought all i said was fozzie isnt playing a samurai game so far.

Very well dubby, i was wrong..im sorry

Contrast with your replies to everyone else, and I think it's clear love is in the air.

[Eaglesfan27]

Dola (or maybe not) -

The exception is when a seer speaks up early. Then day 2 is not such a crapshoot, otherwise, there is usually scant "real" evidence to go upon.

[Blade6119]

Your attacks were certainly broad. I think you've offended a lot of people and will likely be hung quite early in this game. I don't know if I would consider that a good tactic.
Whether i use it or the other players alive post-my death do, there are clues out there now to move ahead with depending on who dies in the lynch today. I would gladly die early in the game every time if i can get some discussion/clues out there to be used by others.

As for this game, i can help the samurai i think...i guess we will have to see if anyone is willing to let me play a normal game from now on out since i achieved my day one goal of creating discsussion.

[Blade6119]

Contrast with your replies to everyone else, and I think it's clear love is in the air.
I apologized? Thats means im in love with him?

Or dubby, at which point im in love with fozzie for calling him muppet

[Blade6119]

By day 3, I would agree. Day 2 often ends up still being a relative crapshoot.
That is exactly what we have avoided with all this. People have made decisions based on grudges, annoyance, clues...it is no longer random, which means tomorrow will be far from random as well. It will prob. be me, but that is life. But all the arguing and side-taking today means tomorrow will not be random. That right there is one of the reasons i did what i did.

[Desnudo]

I apologized? Thats means im in love with him?

Or dubby, at which point im in love with fozzie for calling him muppet

I did say internet man crush at first, which is different than out and out love. Dubby is a pet name, while muppet is derogatory. And yes, I think it's the only post in the entire thread that didn't reply argumentatively to someone.

[Eaglesfan27]

Whether i use it or the other players alive post-my death do, there are clues out there now to move ahead with depending on who dies in the lynch today. I would gladly die early in the game every time if i can get some discussion/clues out there to be used by others.

As for this game, i can help the samurai i think...i guess we will have to see if anyone is willing to let me play a normal game from now on out since i achieved my day one goal of creating discsussion.
Actually, I think there is very little real evidence or information from most of this. You ruffled feathers, some people voted against you because of that. Other people will vote against you tomorrow because of your feather ruffling if you survive today. It gives an inherent excuse and makes the data biased and unclear. I actually think this tactic muddled the game.

[path12]

thats discussion, and discussion of any nature is good.

That's a pretty broad statement. And granted, I may not be teh WW super-genius, but I don't think there was a whole lot in the first 10 pages that will prove all that worthwhile.

YMMV.

[hoopsguy]

I think it's safe to say that would not please Chuck Norris.This made me laugh out loud at work. Nice job, path http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Blade6119]

Actually, I think there is very little real evidence or information from most of this. You ruffled feathers, some people voted against you because of that. Other people will vote against you tomorrow because of your feather ruffling if you survive today. It gives an inherent excuse and makes the data biased and unclear. I actually think this tactic muddled the game.
Interesting...i see your viewpoint, but in my mind people have picked sides between fozzie or dubb or i...sure, some picked me on feather ruffling(to be fair, they claim to..im a villager so who knows)..if fozzie is a wolf the its a fair bet then its a good bet some of the later votes on me or dubb are wolves, like taz's recent vote for me with no other posts...if hes good, good bet we have 1-2 wolves in the group that got him lynched. I think it def. helps...but i do see your argument as well

[Blade6119]

That's a pretty broad statement. And granted, I may not be teh WW super-genius, but I don't think there was a whole lot in the first 10 pages that will prove all that worthwhile.

YMMV.
Its not the individual posts too much as the votes...people were forced to pick sides in an argument, and despite most people feeling its all emotion for who picked who, i can gurantee the wolves are positioning right now, or already have. There was strategy in this vote, and some may still come out before the deadline, but i think much has gone on today that will help tomorrow after a lynch and night kill

[Blade6119]

I did say internet man crush at first, which is different than out and out love. Dubby is a pet name, while muppet is derogatory. And yes, I think it's the only post in the entire thread that didn't reply argumentatively to someone.
Muppet was actually a pet name too...i was playing back with fozzie, i never got mad at him at all...its called playing a game, and i did...i could go back and quote at least 20 posts that im not arguing in, would you like me to for you?

[Desnudo]

Actually, I think there is very little real evidence or information from most of this. You ruffled feathers, some people voted against you because of that. Other people will vote against you tomorrow because of your feather ruffling if you survive today. It gives an inherent excuse and makes the data biased and unclear. I actually think this tactic muddled the game.

You can somewhat factor it in. For exampe, by reading back it's pretty easy to see who is/was most annoyed by Blade's tactics. At least the evidence is in plain sight so you can account for it.

[Desnudo]

Muppet was actually a pet name too...i was playing back with fozzie, i never got mad at him at all...its called playing a game, and i did...i could go back and quote at least 20 posts that im not arguing in, would you like me to for you?

Not really, but if you feel it would help your cause, then by all means.

[path12]

This made me laugh out loud at work. Nice job, path http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/smile.gif

One does what one can.

[Blade6119]

Not really, but if you feel it would help your cause, then by all means.
I dont feel like spending the time, im just trying to appease you. As since my intial comments, i have now the the reciever of TONS of criticism from you, kwhit, schmidty, and others...funny, they fight criticism with criticism...just saying, i made comments i now regret(i would have toned them down a bit if people were going to get this upset) and have apologized for. But i will continue to be ostracized. I dont want sympathy or some apology, just pointing out the hypocrasy of it.

[Blade6119]

dola, it was fozzie himself who started this when he said lets kill of some vets...he put me on defensive mode, as i tried to do to others..i said things i didnt mean to say...funny how it works against me too, huh?

[Eaglesfan27]

As we come down to the last few hours, I thought an updated tally might be useful:


SirFozzie - AlanT (137), Blade (149), Dubb (167), Tanglewood (324), Saldana (405), PackerFanatic (460), Kingfc22 (481)
Dubb - Schmidty (146), Eaglesfan (180)
Mustang - Coder (168)
Blade - KWhit (383), Lathum (387), SirFozzie (473), TazFTW (506)
Qwikshot - RPI (400)
Kingfc22 - Desnudo (466), Path12 (496)


Looks like SirFozzie is in the "lead" with 7 and will face the awesome might of Chuck Norris unless there is some late movement.

[Desnudo]

I dont feel like spending the time, im just trying to appease you. As since my intial comments, i have now the the reciever of TONS of criticism from you, kwhit, schmidty, and others...funny, they fight criticism with criticism...just saying, i made comments i now regret(i would have toned them down a bit if people were going to get this upset) and have apologized for. But i will continue to be ostracized. I dont want sympathy or some apology, just pointing out the hypocrasy of it.

Sorry, I missed the apology. What's the post #?

[Blade6119]

Hey coder, care to shed some insight into your mustang vote since your around? I dont remember the vote or the reasons...just trying to make sure i can place everyone for analysis

(and yes, i know the post # is in the vote tally, but i would like to hear coder talk a bit since i respect his play.)

[Mustang]

Hey coder, care to shed some insight into your mustang vote since your around? I dont remember the vote or the reasons...just trying to make sure i can place everyone for analysis

(and yes, i know the post # is in the vote tally, but i would like to hear coder talk a bit since i respect his play.)

I was #13 on the list so he picked me.

[Blade6119]

Sorry, I missed the apology. What's the post #?
Im not going to ask to die, but i apologize as i know i have been a pompus ass so far...i dont deny that fact, but i can try to make sure im not that way for the rest of the game. Either way im a samurai, and i want the samurai to win...my vote sticks with fozzie due to his erractic play, and thats that. Take what you will from this post, and i hope you all do well in the lynch tomorrow...best of luck to you all tomorrow
Post #395

[Blade6119]

I was #13 on the list so he picked me.
Thnx mustang

[Desnudo]

I dont feel like spending the time, im just trying to appease you. As since my intial comments, i have now the the reciever of TONS of criticism from you, kwhit, schmidty, and others...funny, they fight criticism with criticism...just saying, i made comments i now regret(i would have toned them down a bit if people were going to get this upset) and have apologized for. But i will continue to be ostracized. I dont want sympathy or some apology, just pointing out the hypocrasy of it.

Also, actions speak louder than words. I'm perfectly willing to let it go, and I appreciate the sentiment, but I wouldn't expect to be granted a full pardon just because you post an apology. It takes a little time to rebuild trust and make people want to work with you.

[Blade6119]

Also, actions speak louder than words. I'm perfectly willing to let it go, and I appreciate the sentiment, but I wouldn't expect to be granted a full pardon just because you post an apology. It takes a little time to rebuild trust and make people want to work with you.
See, i didnt ask for a full pardon...i know well the consequences that come with my actions, and i accept those. You guys can lynch me tomorrow if you think its wise, and ill take it like a man. Im just trying to right wrongs, whether you accept them or not is none of my business. My business is killing ninja, and i intend to stick to it

[Desnudo]

Umm, ok, my business is to try and enjoy an online text rpg, so I'll get on with that...

[Blade6119]

Umm, ok, my business is to try and enjoy an online text rpg, so I'll get on with that...
And ive stated i enjoy it far more when winning..im ultra competitive, and dont like losing...so for me winning and have fun are one and the same...but i respect other peoples thoughts on the matter. Either way our OBJECTIVE is to kill ninjas, and i will work to that end

[Schmidty]

So much bullshit this game. So little substance. It's really sad, and really makes me miss the good old days of WW.

[Blade6119]

So much bullshit this game. So little substance. It's really sad, and really makes me miss the good old days of WW.
Its day one...ive tried to create some, but otherwise its random..how much substance do you want?

[PackerFanatic]

Yeah, I am quite confused as to what is actually "in-game" chat and not...hopefully it turns out to be fun...

[Alan T]

Interesting...i see your viewpoint, but in my mind people have picked sides between fozzie or dubb or i...sure, some picked me on feather ruffling(to be fair, they claim to..im a villager so who knows)..if fozzie is a wolf the its a fair bet then its a good bet some of the later votes on me or dubb are wolves, like taz's recent vote for me with no other posts...if hes good, good bet we have 1-2 wolves in the group that got him lynched. I think it def. helps...but i do see your argument as well


In no way is my vote on Sirfozzie meant to be an indication of me choosing sides with you and/or Dubb for the record :) I have a no idea if you two are ninjas or not, I just don't see this much of a storm being caused on day one if you two were ninjas, which is why I said I'm guessing you are samurai. I votd for fozzie only because I didn't like his strategy and he was the first person to try to start a run on someone voting. Those two reasons were the main ones to pick him on a day 1. I just wanted to make it clear that I don't have any desire to be grouped with anyone right now. I don't trust any of you! :)

[Lathum]

I think the problem is day one has lasted way to long and everyone is getting restless. In future games I think we need to have a shorter day one so this BS doesn't take over.

That being said it seems blade is playing a risk vs reward game where he hopes to survive the first few days and then coast using the defense of he can't be a ninja because there is no way a ninja would be that vocal the first few days.

I'm not buying it.

[Blade6119]

In no way is my vote on Sirfozzie meant to be an indication of me choosing sides with you and/or Dubb for the record :) I have a no idea if you two are ninjas or not, I just don't see this much of a storm being caused on day one if you two were ninjas, which is why I said I'm guessing you are samurai. I votd for fozzie only because I didn't like his strategy and he was the first person to try to start a run on someone voting. Those two reasons were the main ones to pick him on a day 1. I just wanted to make it clear that I don't have any desire to be grouped with anyone right now. I don't trust any of you! :)
Not taking sides in the arument, taking sides in the vote...people had to pick sides of who they want to lynch...thats the decision i mean, nothing to due with the argument....the argument merely picked who the people were who were up for lynch(it worked, as dubb, fozzie, and i are the 3 really on the block at all this day...lol, didnt call that)

[Blade6119]

I think the problem is day one has lasted way to long and everyone is getting restless. In future games I think we need to have a shorter day one so this BS doesn't take over.

That being said it seems blade is playing a risk vs reward game where he hopes to survive the first few days and then coast using the defense of he can't be a ninja because there is no way a ninja would be that vocal the first few days.

I'm not buying it.
Lol, id be this vocal wolf or villager...i would never use the whole i talk too much as a defense, and if i ever do kill me immediately...you can kill me, it will only help the ninjas

[Blade6119]

Dola, and id prob. ask the seer scan someone else...ill be dead shortly and i dont want him wasting scans. If he wants to scan me tonight, more power to him...

[SirFozzie]

Blade: I'm actually quite sure that you're not a ninja, because if you were, the other ninjas would have outted you by now, just hoping to get you to STFU.

Thank god my role in this farce ends in a couple hours, unless a couple people change their minds (which I don't think will happen, but the 10,000 fortunes have smiled on lesser people)

BTW.. supreme irony, here ladies and gentlemen. He doesn't think I'm playing a samurai game.. when he refuses to stop saying villager/wolf/etcetera.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Wow. I just checked in at the end of page 6, and I need to get caught up. With over an hour in which to do it, I'll be able to get a vote in. I may reply as I go along if I see anything that demands a comment.

[Poli]

I can't wait to find out who's on which side.

[Eaglesfan27]

Wow. I just checked in at the end of page 6, and I need to get caught up. With over an hour in which to do it, I'll be able to get a vote in. I may reply as I go along if I see anything that demands a comment.
Actually, we have about 2 hours and 20 minutes until the deadline.

[Eaglesfan27]

I meant 2 hours and 12 minutes ;)

[Mr. Wednesday]

i dont get your play style, but it is not helping the teamA little early to be making that judgement, dontcha think?

[SirFozzie]

A little early to be making that judgement, dontcha think?

remember.. he's the eXpert :p

[Mr. Wednesday]

Well, remember as Bobby Heenan once said.. "Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat."

Wait.. that doesn't fit does it? (goes looking in his book of "1001 pithy sayings", ah here it is..

"It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game"I prefer,
"It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you place the blame." :D

[Alan T]

This is what I have so far I believe:

Saldana votes Eaglesfan27 (1)
Eaglesfan27 votes Saldana (1)
Blade votes Dubb93 (1)
Rpi votes blade (1)
dubb votes tanglewood (1)
kingfc22 votes Alan T (1)
Rpi UNVOTES blade (0)
sirfozzie votes Saldana (2)
Alan T votes Sirfozzie (1)
Schmidty votes Dubb (2)
Blade UNVOTES Dubb (1)
Blade votes Sirfozzie (2)
rpi votes Blade (1)
Dubb UNVOTES Tanglewood (0)
Dubb votes SirFozzie (3)
coder votes mustang (1)
sirfozzie UNVOTES Saldana (1)
Sirfozzie votes dubb (2)
Eaglesfan UNVOTES Saldana (0)
Eaglesfan votes dubb (3)
saldana UNVOTES eaglesfan (0)
tanglewood votes Sirfozzie (4)
kwhit votes blade (2)
lathum votes blade (3)
Rpi UNVOTES blade (2)
rpi votes qwikshot (1)
saldana votes sirfozzie (5)
qwikshot votes rpi (1)
qwikshot UNVOTES rpi (0)
packerfanatic votes sirfozzie (6)
desnudo votes kingfc22 (1)
sirfozzie UNVOTES dubb (2)
sirfozzie votes blade (3)
kingfc22 UNVOTES alan T (0)
kingfc22 votes sirfozzie (7)
path12 votes kingfc22 (2)
tazftw votes blade (4)


Ok my notables that I see so far from day 1 are:

-Sirfozzie starts the first run, and starts the questionable kill the old player plan.
-RPI has voted and unvoted 2 different times already, and now has his vote on a new player who is totally unrelated to all of the current debates and votes/runs.
-Schmidty starts a second run on Dubb.
-Blade starts a run on Sirfozzie (likely in retaliation to Sirfozzie's strategy).
-kwhit starts a new run on blade
-qwikshot and path later on throw a few votes on kingfc

A list of people who seem to be toss on votes on various people:
On fozzie - tanglewood, saldana, packerfan, kingfc
on blade - lathum, sirfozzie , tazftw

There are a large handful of people who have remained for the most part relatively quiet and behind the scenes too. Usually those are the people i am the most afraid of.

[SirFozzie]

you missed the chase scene, the comic relief and the inexplicable appearance by Eaglesfan's long lost evil twin brother, but then again, that's a reasonable summing up Alan.

[Mr. Wednesday]

And desnudo, we hit two wolves in two days...you guys couldnt finsish off even one of the final three...so dont give me crap...id gladly give up the seer and bodyguard for two wolves...and to top it all off all 3 of the wolves voted to keep sun alive the day he died and no one noticed... What's this "we" you speak of? You only had a part in one of the two, and then set about raising such a ruckus about special abilities and such that you got yourself killed.

[Mr. Wednesday]

There are a large handful of people who have remained for the most part relatively quiet and behind the scenes too. Usually those are the people i am the most afraid of. I always start out quiet on day 1 and contribute more as time goes by. It's the nature of the beast. I actually would have waded into the n00b vs. vet debate if I'd checked in earlier, though.

[Blade6119]

What's this "we" you speak of? You only had a part in one of the two, and then set about raising such a ruckus about special abilities and such that you got yourself killed.
We would be barkeep, myself, and neon...the three that were killed the first two days...the seer, bodyguard, and defense against the dark arts...people compained about losing the seer and bodyguard, so i include all 3. That is the three

[Blade6119]

remember.. he's the eXpert :p
Nah, more like the extra seer...but its all natural baby :rolleyes: :p

Note sarcasm, im not trying to be elite again

[Mr. Wednesday]

We would be barkeep, myself, and neon...the three that were killed the first two days...the seer, bodyguard, and defense against the dark arts...people compained about losing the seer and bodyguard, so i include all 3. That is the three I'm just saying, you're taking too much credit for a game where you were not particularly effective.

[Blade6119]

I'm just saying, you're taking too much credit for a game where you were not particularly effective.
I said earlier in this game last game i only was live one day and didnt do much...did you miss that in your review? Neon got qwik, and we got lucky with sun. I made the move i did to protect the seer or bodyguard having to reveal, it worked, and they revealed anyways...it didnt work, i was largely ineffective last game...i dont dispute that at all

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm sorely tempted to vote for blade just because of the arrogance and divisiveness, but that's generally not a productive way to run things. For the same reason, though, I wouldn't want to go in for any of the others in the trio, so I'm not sure where to go. Usually, I just try to scatter my vote on day 1 (except in the cases of a seer revelation), but that'd be kinda pointless right now.

[Blade6119]

We done in an hour and half?

[Eaglesfan27]

We done in an hour and half?

Yes, Hoopsguy said 8:00 PM CST.

[Qwikshot]

Vote SirFozzie

[Blade6119]

interesting...time for me to do some thinking

[SirFozzie]

Vote SirFozzie

Thanks, Qwik.

more of a mercy kill then anything ;)

[Mr. Wednesday]

Well, if we're going to be down Blade or SirFozzie, I'd rather be out the former. Foz has a sense of humor.

Vote Blade6119

Not an ideal vote for me, by any means. I mean, he does, like, flip out all the time and stuff, but I haven't seen him kill anybody lately.

[Qwikshot]

Thanks, Qwik.

more of a mercy kill then anything ;)

When you get to hell, tell 'em Chuck sent ya ;)

[SirFozzie]

Oh just wait. My most horrible pun is coming.

[Blade6119]

Even chuck agrees with my strategy of getting people riled up:

Men are like steel. When they lose their temper, they lose their worth.
Chuck Norris

And a few more for kicks:

“When God said "Let there be light" Chuck Norris said "Say Please."”

“I don't step on toes, LittleJohn, I step on necks!”

[Alan T]

1 hour left! So far I have the count as:
Sirfozzie - 8
Blade - 5
kingfc22 - 2
dubb 2
qwikshot 1
mustang 1

[Eaglesfan27]

33 minutes actually. I have the same count.

[Alan T]

33 minutes actually. I have the same count.


You are right. I evidentally lost all grasp of the english language and of telling time on the same day :(

[hoopsguy]

Same count here as well. All players have voted except for Mustang at this point.

[kingfc22]

I'm always suspicious of those non-voters. Last game it was hard to get a rid on Superman especially after he had been converted because he missed a couple of votes.

[Alan T]

I'm always suspicious of those non-voters. Last game it was hard to get a rid on Superman especially after he had been converted because he missed a couple of votes.


Mustang has been in the thread, he responded, just hasnt voted. Im hoping hes just waiting to see how things develop and then placing his vote where he thinks is the best.. I hope at least :)

[RPI-Fan]

Just got done reading today's developments...

My vote isn't a "throwaway" vote -- I feel Qwikshot has a greater than (1/#players) chance of being a ninja. Nothing more, nothing less -- I doubt I'll carry much of this sentiment into tomorrow (if I make it to tomorrow), but feel I ought to defend my vote, weak or not, such as it is.

[dubb93]

Mustang has been in the thread, he responded, just hasnt voted. Im hoping hes just waiting to see how things develop and then placing his vote where he thinks is the best.. I hope at least :)

And with that, he is no longer on the board.

[Alan T]

And with that, he is no longer on the board.


Thats the same effect I had on girls in middle school

[dubb93]

If he doesn't make the vote I say Chuck sacrifices him. Last thing we need to get into is the mess that happened last game with all the non-voters.

[SirFozzie]

anyway 9:00 Foz go home time. Enjoy my death ;)

[saldana]

alan, i dont understand your characterization of my vote for sir fozzie as a "throwon" vote, seeing as it was part of a a very long post explaining what my thoughts were up to that point. he wants to kill someone i consider very useful. at worst, its poor strategy, at best, we get a ninja in 5 minutes. what exactly is a throw on about that

[Eaglesfan27]

Mustang did post in the thread earlier today (just within the last few hours.) I don't think someone should be sacrificed for not voting as that can be rather unbalancing to the game. However, I do think that non-voters should be replaced with one of the alternates if they miss 2 votes or they can't explain why they missed one vote. Of course, he could still vote in the last 5 minutes.

[Blade6119]

Gram is a replacement...i think he would step if

[Alan T]

alan, i dont understand your characterization of my vote for sir fozzie as a "throwon" vote, seeing as it was part of a a very long post explaining what my thoughts were up to that point. he wants to kill someone i consider very useful. at worst, its poor strategy, at best, we get a ninja in 5 minutes. what exactly is a throw on about that


I was just doing a brief summary. I basically counted any votes that occured after fozzie had a little lead as a throw on vote regardless of the reason (since its day 1, and unless others here are more magical than me, I have no honest clue. Just am going off of his actions for my vote). Your vote basically made it fozzie 5 , dubb 3 and blade 2. Im not doubting your reasons as much as just including you in the list of people who "padded" fozzies vote total at the time.

On my list of people that Im wondering about, you arent really that high up on the list yet, especially since fozzie originally voted for you anyways before changing it.

[Blade6119]

So vote is over i think, and fozzie should be dead...now i wonder just what hoops will do with the death, and what fozzie was

[dubb93]

So vote is over i think, and fozzie should be dead...now i wonder just what hoops will do with the death, and what fozzie was

Hoops was PMing at the deadline :eek:

[Blade6119]

Hoops was PMing at the deadline :eek:
First of all, how do you know that....and secondly that means im prob. getting duked...great :rolleyes: ...

[hoopsguy]

As night falls Chuck Norris makes his way down to the village. You now see him in all of his glory for the first time. It is a story that those who live will no doubt share with their children, grandchildren, and the drunks that share the same tavern.

SirFozzie is resigned to his fate. Chuck Norris converses quietly with him for a moment, and then speaks.

"SirFozzie was an honorable samurai. You have chosen poorly on this first day. I will miss his company and the laughter that always accompanies this man. As befits a warrior of his stature, I will allow him to commit hari kari rather than face my wrath"

The samurai warrior appears perplexed, but heads back to his hut and returns with a foam baseball bat, oversized glasses, and a microphone. He wallops himself with the baseball bat, but the foam is not solid enough to wound him - just knock off the ridiculous glasses. SirFozzie then strings the microphone around his throat and attempts to hang himself from a tree while singing "Take Me out to the Ballgame" but the branch breaks.

Chuck sighs, then brings out a tape recorder, and hits play.

"Hey, everybody, did you know that Mankiewicz spelled backwards is Zwik .. Zheck-ew- ... Zzzz" - and with that SirFozzie's head explodes violently.

A search of his home reveals a magnificent weapon. Chuck Norris steps in to claim it. "This weapon shall not fall to SirFozzie's killers."

Votes:
SirFozzie (8) - AlanT (137), Blade (149), Dubb (167), Tanglewood (324), Saldana (405), PackerFanatic (460), Kingfc (482), Qwikshot (569)
Blade (5) - Kwhit (383), Lathum (387), SirFozzie (473), TazFTW (506), Mr. W (572)
Dubb (2) - Schmidty (146), Eaglesfan (180)
Mustang (1) - Coder (168)
Qwikshot (1) - RPI (400)
Kingfc (2) - Desnudo (466), Path (496)

[dubb93]

First of all, how do you know that....and secondly that means im prob. getting duked...great :rolleyes: ...

I backed all the way out, b/c he wasn't in the thread, saw his name at the bottom and clicked it to see where the hell he was at the deadline of his game. And he was PMing.

[hoopsguy]

I was actually clearing out the PM box because I think I will have a few tonight and I was a little closer to 70 than I should be.

[Alan T]

Anyone have any idea what it meant that he had a magnificent weapon? Perhaps fozzie was some kind of bodyguard for us?

[dubb93]

I was actually clearing out the PM box because I think I will have a few tonight and I was a little closer to 70 than I should be.

uh huh...if only you were playing this game I may have thought something was up ;)

[Eaglesfan27]

Hoops was PMing at the deadline :eek:

Tracking PM's of anyone is a very dubious way to play the game.

[Schmidty]

Hoops was PMing at the deadline :eek:

In my opinion, that kind of thing is flat-out cheating. The fact that you're looking at "Who's Online" to see if someone's PMing, makes my opinion of you drop severely. I've brought this up in past WW games as being dishonorable, and I still do. Why play the game if you're just going to skirt the in-game stuff and stoop to simply using the messageboard's tools? Just slimey.

I'd like to hear hoopsguy's opinion on this.

[dubb93]

Anyone have any idea what it meant that he had a magnificent weapon? Perhaps fozzie was some kind of bodyguard for us?

You would think that if he actually had a role that at some point he would have told it to us.

[dubb93]

Tracking PM's of anyone is a very dubious way to play the game.

Thats why I don't do it for active players.

[Schmidty]

Tracking PM's of anyone is a very dubious way to play the game.

I agree. I am tempted to quit over this. If I'm not playing with honest participants, then I don't need to play.

[Eaglesfan27]

Darn. It seems like SirFozzie might have been a Samurai with a special ability (judging by his magnificient weapon.)

[Schmidty]

Thats why I don't do it for active players.

:rolleyes:

I'm sure you also only read Playboy for the articles.

If you're using the "Who's online feature, you can't help but see what other people are doing. Lame.

[dubb93]

I agree. I am tempted to quit over this. If I'm not playing with honest participants, then I don't need to play.

He's running the game. I just wondered why he wasn't in the game at the deadline. It isn't like I sit here and do it for active players.

[Blade6119]

:rolleyes:

I'm sure you also only read Playboy for the articles.

If you're using the "Who's online feature, you can't help but see what other people are doing. Lame.
He said he didnt use whos online...just clicked on hoop's name at bottom of thread...i dont agree with it either way, but just clarifying

[dubb93]

:rolleyes:

I'm sure you also only read Playboy for the articles.

If you're using the "Who's online feature, you can't help but see what other people are doing. Lame.

First off, what the hell is the "who's online feature?" Second, I saw him on the active users thing at the bottom of the board. Just like when people say, "such and such was in the thread, and hasn't posted." Clicked on him to see where he was. So get over it.

[Blade6119]

First off, what the hell is the "who's online feature?" Second, I saw him on the active users thing at the bottom of the board. Just like when people say, "such and such was in the thread, and hasn't posted." Clicked on him to see where he was. So get over it.
There is a feature where it lists all people on the board and what they are doing right now...its called Whos online...it takes a few clicks to get to it, but can be used for devious purposes due to PMs in WW

[Schmidty]

He said he didnt use whos online...just clicked on hoop's name at bottom of thread...i dont agree with it either way, but just clarifying

I didn't even know you could do it that way. That's evenmore ridiculous.

I'm just really uncomfortable with stuff like that. That's why when I was WW before, I used email exclusively. Sad that people are forced to do that.

[tanglewood]

Hmm, I didn't quite get back home in time to beat the deadline but I don't know if I would have changed my vote from Fozzie anyway... was considering it but had no real suspects on the Day 1 little-more-than-randomathon.

So, obvious place to look is the people who were driving the bandwagon on Sir Fozzie, who I suppose are Blade and Dubb. Before doing any in depth post reviewing etc. my hunch is that both a fairly villagery with Dubb being marginally wolfier. Another avenue to go is see the post frequencies after the first day. Abnormally high and abnormally low post counts I usually get suspicious of.

[tanglewood]

Also I'd be really suprised if Fozzie had a special role of somekind considering how prominent he made himself. If he was an angel/bodyguard type or vigilante or whatever I'm not sure that he would have been quite so, for want of a better word, reckless. Of course, it still sucks he was a samurai anyway.

[dubb93]

I didn't even know you could do it that way. That's evenmore ridiculous.

I'm just really uncomfortable with stuff like that. That's why when I was WW before, I used email exclusively. Sad that people are forced to do that.

And why me and Ardent used the phone. But since I'm such a fuckin cheater for seeing where the damn DM was at deadline I'm bowing out. Gram can have my spot. I'm fuckin tired of this game already. Have fun.

[Schmidty]

Dubb, sorry if I was rude, but it just wierded me out. If you say you just did what you did, I believe you. My bad.

[RPI-Fan]

And why me and Ardent used the phone. But since I'm such a fuckin cheater for seeing where the damn DM was at deadline I'm bowing out. Gram can have my spot. I'm fuckin tired of this game already. Have fun.

:rolleyes:

Will a bowl of Cherios make it any better?

:rolleyes:

[Lathum]

I'm confused

[Blade6119]

And why me and Ardent used the phone. But since I'm such a fuckin cheater for seeing where the damn DM was at deadline I'm bowing out. Gram can have my spot. I'm fuckin tired of this game already. Have fun.
Dubby, come on...stick with me buddy!

[hoopsguy]

Here are my thoughts on the issue, since it was raised:

If I'm a wolf, then I'm definitely using an instant messenger client for as much communication with my fellow wolves as possible. It provides more immediate, two-way communication than PMs and there is no risk of being spotted as sending PMs.

I don't like that the element exists in the game, but it is freely available for everyone to look at. So as a player I do my best to mitigate those risks. As a moderator I would like to believe that people are playing the game strictly based on the posts in the thread, but I know this isn't the case.

Is looking at the viewers at the bottom shady? A little bit, but less than looking at actions if I'm the judge. But when you start drawing lines on what is responsible and irresponsible, without any mechanism for enforcement, then I think you are on a very, very slippery slope.

I would ask that everyone play the game with a level of honor befitting a samurai, even those of you who have been assigned the role of a ninja.

Finally, I'll take a minute and comment on some of the bickering in the thread. I completely understand the advantage of antagonizing another player in the game as a means to collect information, feelings, whatever. What stinks is when the attacks become personal.

For the guys who have played the game before, I would ask that you serve as mentors for the newer players. The game is more fun when we have a bigger pool of interested players who bring a diverse collection of playing styles. The interaction between players is the biggest determining factor in the success of a game, more than a set of rules or the story put together by the moderator. And when you take some of the fun away from your fellow players it doesn't just hurt that game, but future games where people drop out or never sign up the first time.

OK, I'm off the soapbox for the evening.

[RPI-Fan]

Can we permanantly ban from Werewolf all known whiners, with dubb now at the top of that list?


(Note: This is a totally serious post)

[Schmidty]

Can we permanantly ban from Werewolf all known whiners, with dubb now at the top of that list?


(Note: This is a totally serious post)

Come on dude, let's just play. I'm sorry I accused anyone of anything. I should assume that everyone has honorable intentions. Do I think checking what someone's doing is wrong? Yes, but getting as riled up as I did was unfair.

I'm just hoping my angry outburst doesn't ruin the game.

[RPI-Fan]

Come on dude, let's just play. I'm sorry I accused anyone of anything. I should assume that everyone has honorable intentions. Do I think checking what someone's doing is wrong? Yes, but getting as riled up as I did was unfair.

I'm just hoping my angry outburst doesn't ruin the game.

Yea', you're totally responsible for making dubb whine and cry.

:rolleyes:

[saldana]

[color=#ff0000]Votes:
SirFozzie (8) - AlanT (137), Blade (149), Dubb (167), Tanglewood (324), Saldana (405), PackerFanatic (460), Kingfc (482), Qwikshot (569)
Blade (5) - Kwhit (383), Lathum (387), SirFozzie (473), TazFTW (506), Mr. W (572)
Dubb (2) - Schmidty (146), Eaglesfan (180)
Mustang (1) - Coder (168)
Qwikshot (1) - RPI (400)
Kingfc (2) - Desnudo (466), Path (496)


here is my take on this. RPI traditionally doesnt vote for the front runners on day one, his mantra is always that he doenst want to be part of a day one lynching. coder used the 13th player thing, which has been used in the past, including the HP game...both of those votes dont necessarily tell me anything. We also know why schmidty and eagles are on Dubb, so those two dont necessarily tell us anything.

the Votes i am most interested in are Desnudo and path who made throwaway votes for king, who we all know to be notoriously quiet in the first few days, but very strong later on,

The Taz vote for blade, which carried no explanation with it, and is in a perfect place to not get attention

and the Packer and King votes for SirFozzie, which again, are placed perfectly to be casually disregarded as voting for the front runner.

[Blade6119]

Can we permanantly ban from Werewolf all known whiners, with dubb now at the top of that list?


(Note: This is a totally serious post)
Id like to point out you whined about my comments in regards to experienced players...i think everyone has whined at one time or another bar a very select few...if we did that 95% of all players would be banned

[Schmidty]

Yea', you're totally responsible for making dubb whine and cry.

:rolleyes:

Well, I'd be upset too if someone basically called me a cheater.

Regardless, I think we need to mellow out (me included), and have fun.

[RPI-Fan]

Id like to point out you whined about my comments in regards to experienced players...i think everyone has whined at one time or another bar a very select few...if we did that 95% of all players would be banned


I also haven't TWICE in one game-day claimed I was quitting and then come back. :rolleyes:

[Blade6119]

I also haven't TWICE in one game-day claimed I was quitting and then come back. :rolleyes:
No, you havent...but you literally are whining about him whining...im just saying, we all need to not take everything so serious and just play

[Eaglesfan27]

Id like to point out you whined about my comments in regards to experienced players...i think everyone has whined at one time or another bar a very select few...if we did that 95% of all players would be banned
There is a huge difference between whining and being offended by arrogance.

[Blade6119]

There is a huge difference between whining and being offended by arrogance.
Like dubb looking at a non-player and then being called a cheater?? That kind of arrogance?...and him being offended by it? :rolleyes:

EDIT: because you called him one

[RPI-Fan]

No, you havent...but you literally are whining about him whining...im just saying, we all need to not take everything so serious and just play

Okay, here's my last OOC post:

1) dubb is being a bitch, and should be thrown from the game for unsportsman play.
2) Blade acted like an asshole early, and has redeemed himself. For me, bygones can be bygones.

[RPI-Fan]

Okay, here's my last OOC post:

1) dubb is being a bitch, and should be thrown from the game for unsportsman play.
2) Blade acted like an asshole early, and has redeemed himself. For me, bygones can be bygones.

NOTE: The unsporting play I'm referring to has NOTHING to do with looking at online status.

It has to do with saying he wants out of the game and then coming back in like nothing ever happened, TWICE.

[Blade6119]

NOTE: The unsporting play I'm referring to has NOTHING to do with looking at online status.

It has to do with saying he wants out of the game and then coming back in like nothing ever happened, TWICE.
I dont think he has come back this time, to be fair...i think he said he was leaving and has...

[saldana]

YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD BE NICE.....IF WE WERE ACTUALLY PLAYING FUCKING WEREWOLF!!!! THIS WHOLE FUCKING THREAD HAS BEEN RIDICULOUS TO THIS POINT, HOW ABOUT WE ALL REALIZE WE ARE PLAYING A INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD GAME AND INSTEAD OF FIRING OFF INSULTS AT EACH OTHER, ACTUALLY HAVE A GOOD TIME. WHAT A NOVEL FUCKING CONCEPT![B]

rant over, sorry hoops, this has got to suck for you to be running this seemingly endless thread of nonsense.

[kingfc22]

I wonder why SirFozzie didn't mention he had some kind of secret weapon to try and save himself. If he had an ability to help us against the ninja's I would have easily given him a second chance especially since it is only day 1.

I know when I had a pivotal role and was on the block early in the game, my only choice to survive was to essentially reveal my role. It's better to last at least an extra day or two in hopes that your role can be used rather then just get lynched without having a chance to use your skill.

[Schmidty]

After all this, I'm wondering if the game can be salvaged. It's like a bunch of children.

The person I feel the worst for is hoopsguy. We're ruining his game and it's a damned shame.

[Eaglesfan27]

Like dubb looking at a non-player and then being called a cheater?? That kind of arrogance?...and him being offended by it? :rolleyes:

EDIT: because you called him one


Actually, I said it was dubious. I stand by that opinion. I don't think it is arrogant to think that everyone should abide by a honorable code of conduct when playing this game. I think you are the first person to call me arrogant in a very very long time (at least 10 years) on here or in real life, but considering the source, I'm not offended.

As far as my comments, tt has been established in the past that looking at when people are PM'ing is quite non-kosher in this game.

[Blade6119]

I wonder why SirFozzie didn't mention he had some kind of secret weapon to try and save himself. If he had an ability to help us against the ninja's I would have easily given him a second chance especially since it is only day 1.

I know when I had a pivotal role and was on the block early in the game, my only choice to survive was to essentially reveal my role. It's better to last at least an extra day or two in hopes that your role can be used rather then just get lynched without having a chance to use your skill.
Is it possible he didnt have some secret role. Isnt it possible he was a normal samurai and we all have magnificient swords? The only role i see that description fitting would be assasin, but there are new roles so who knows...its possible he was a nobody though

[kingfc22]

dola - I agree with saldana. Let's just play and get us some ninja's because I am scared of what the mighty Chuck Norris might do if we don't.

[Eaglesfan27]

Dola (or probably not) -

I'm annoyed at myself for responding to this childish shit. I'm going to just focus on the game for now on, and won't respond to any further replies you might have on this particular subject.

[Blade6119]

Actually, I said it was dubious. I stand by that opinion. I don't think it is arrogant to think that everyone should abide by a honorable code of conduct when playing this game. I think you are the first person to call me arrogant in a very very long time (at least 10 years) on here or in real life, but considering the source, I'm not offended.

As far as my comments, tt has been established in the past that looking at when people are PM'ing is quite non-kosher in this game.
i didnt insult you, and you did with your source comment...and that comment right there is arrogant...so dont give me your high and mighty attitude about you being all morally superior, then say your not arrogant...

BACK TO WW!!!!

[saldana]

I wonder why SirFozzie didn't mention he had some kind of secret weapon to try and save himself. If he had an ability to help us against the ninja's I would have easily given him a second chance especially since it is only day 1.

.
we could read it that way, but i dont think it means anything at all...think about who we are, the greatest samurai in the world, every single one of us should have a magnificent Daisho in our rooms as a mark of our status...i could be wrong but i dont really read anything into the weapon.

[Blade6119]

Is it possible he didnt have some secret role. Isnt it possible he was a normal samurai and we all have magnificient swords? The only role i see that description fitting would be assasin, but there are new roles so who knows...its possible he was a nobody though

we could read it that way, but i dont think it means anything at all...think about who we are, the greatest samurai in the world, every single one of us should have a magnificent Daisho in our rooms as a mark of our status...i could be wrong but i dont really read anything into the weapon.
Great minds think alike :D ;)

[Schmidty]

I really think that since this is a game based on Samurai, people who are acting "dishonorable" toward each should be held accountable and dealt with harshly.

[SirFozzie]

Guys?

Have fun.

Otherwise don't play.

Even though I'm out of the game, it's simple.

If you're going to play, have fun.
If you're going to have fun, Play.

(maybe I'm upset my joke got less play then I did ;))

[saldana]

Great minds think alike :D ;)

sorry, didnt see your post.

[Blade6119]

sorry, didnt see your post.
What are you apologizing for...i think its awesome were thinking alike on the matter...GO TEAMWORK!!! :D

[tanglewood]

Great minds think alike :D ;)

*clears throat* :rolleyes:

;)

As for the whole PM thing, I think it's pretty 'unsportsmanlike' thing to do, but don't think dubb should be chucked from the game, if only because this trainwreck needs to be salvaged otherwise it will just seep into other games and possibly ruin WW on this board forever.

[SirFozzie]

agreed, dubb.. if you're gonna read this thread, come on back to play, k?

[Schmidty]

agreed, dubb..

What are you agreeing with? :confused:

[SirFozzie]

Tanglewood's post:"don't think dubb should be chucked from the game"

maybe it should have been..
Agreed. Dubb, if you're reading this, come on back, k?

[saldana]

we could read it that way, but i dont think it means anything at all...think about who we are, the greatest samurai in the world, every single one of us should have a magnificent Daisho in our rooms as a mark of our status...i could be wrong but i dont really read anything into the weapon.


can i quote myself?

as an additional thought along this line, depending on Hoops' level of accuracy, a samurai committing hari-kiri does so while not wearing his swords, so it would make even more sense that his weapons were in his rooms.

[Schmidty]

What are you agreeing with? :confused:

If it's about me accusing him of cheating, I've already publically apologized twice. I hope he doesn't quit.

[Schmidty]

Tanglewood's post:"don't think dubb should be chucked from the game"

maybe it should have been..
Agreed. Dubb, if you're reading this, come on back, k?

Ok, gotcha.

[Blade6119]

can i quote myself?

as an additional thought along this line, depending on Hoops' level of accuracy, a samurai committing hari-kiri does so while not wearing his swords, so it would make even more sense that his weapons were in his rooms.
How does one gain such knowledge of Samurai unless he is a ninja studying his foe!!! NINJA!!!!!

[Schmidty]

a samurai committing hari-kiri does so while not wearing his swords, so it would make even more sense that his weapons were in his rooms.

I prefer to call it seppuku. :)

[Alan T]

can i quote myself?

as an additional thought along this line, depending on Hoops' level of accuracy, a samurai committing hari-kiri does so while not wearing his swords, so it would make even more sense that his weapons were in his rooms.


You probably are right. I wouldn't think fozzie would rile everyone up only to get voted out if he had an important role. (at least I hope not).

As for all the other stuff going on so far this game... Ive said it a few times, but it would be nice for everyone to relax some and just enjoy the game. People are getting a little too rough with each other. We can all disagree on how to play or whatever, I highly doubt Dubb would have even said how he saw hoops was in PMs if he was using it for some bad purpose. I know everyone has apologized and stuff, but lets all kiss and make up and kill some ninjas :)

[hoopsguy]

OK, I'm off to watch 24 - that wuss Bauer takes 23 3/4 hours more time to set things right than my main man Chuck.

I'm heartened to hear that many players want to focus on the in-game play going forward. Hopefully the combination of this lynch vote, coupled with night actions, makes it easier for everyone to submerge themselves into their samurai roles.

[tanglewood]

Tanglewood's post:"don't think dubb should be chucked from the game"

maybe it should have been..
Agreed. Dubb, if you're reading this, come on back, k?

1. Aren't you dead? ;)

2. I think it's blatantly obvious that dubb's huffy non-participation isn't helpful in either a game context or a social context. We can't make him play, I was just saying we shouldn't make him not play. Hopefuly he'll caome back and join in again.

[Poli]

Twenty five years ago, an ancient legend of this sacred art came alive. It spoke of a foreign child who would come among us and become a Ninja master unlike any other. How he arrived on our shores will forever remain a mystery. We Ninjas thought that this child would be the great white Ninja of the legend. We were wrong. We were very wrong.

[Schmidty]

Twenty five years ago, an ancient legend of this sacred art came alive. It spoke of a foreign child who would come among us and become a Ninja master unlike any other. How he arrived on our shores will forever remain a mystery. We Ninjas thought that this child would be the great white Ninja of the legend. We were wrong. We were very wrong.

Come again?

[Blade6119]

ardent and his cocaine...always entertaining

[Mr. Wednesday]

After all this, I'm wondering if the game can be salvaged. It's like a bunch of children.

The person I feel the worst for is hoopsguy. We're ruining his game and it's a damned shame.And it's an outstanding concept, more's the pity.

Seems like we're getting too hung up on past associations.

[Poli]

ardent and his cocaine...always entertaining
You may subject me to any torture you can think of, but a ninja does not talk!

[Mr. Wednesday]

Is it possible he didnt have some secret role. Isnt it possible he was a normal samurai and we all have magnificient swords? The only role i see that description fitting would be assasin, but there are new roles so who knows...its possible he was a nobody thoughPersonally, I think I have an absolutely smashing sword, but I would be proud of a family heirloom. :D

[Blade6119]

Ok, lets discuss something...who should the seer scan and bodyguard protect? Id imagine we at least have those two, so does anyone have thoughts on where those chars should go?

[Alan T]

Ok, lets discuss something...who should the seer scan and bodyguard protect? Id imagine we at least have those two, so does anyone have thoughts on where those chars should go?


Im not sure who the bodyguard should protect. Im guessing if this is like past games, probably one of the more experienced/valuable players. Of course saying that on here would make it pointless since then they would just be avoided...

As for the seer... My list of people I am most worried about right now are:

Mustang - Im not a big fan of people who dont vote, as voting patterns are all we have to go on at times. Its understandable if something comes up, but he was in the thread and responded and still didnt vote.

Rpi - has seemed a bit hostle and started a totally different run , staying out of the way of anyone likely to be lynched. Likely trying to keep his voting record spotless.

Blade and Dubb - well for obvious reasons, they were the main people who confonted fozzie. Like I said before, I dont honestly think these two are ninjas, but Dubb has fooled me before.

taz and kwhit - both were lump on votes on blade after the fozzie bandwagon started. Since fozzie was a villager I don't think this is a huge deal though at this point.

tanglewood, saldana, packerfan and king - all lumped on votes on fozzie.


At least thats the group I am starting with to try to figure out. Its tough with only one day of votes, maybe tommorrow will clear up more for me.

[KWhit]

taz and kwhit - both were lump on votes on blade after the fozzie bandwagon started. Since fozzie was a villager I don't think this is a huge deal though at this point.
That is a complete mischaracterization of my vote. He had only 1 vote (from much earlier in the day, IIRC) when I voted for him and I made my reasons for the vote very clear. Hell, I'd vote for him right now for day two if I could, but I guess it'll have to wait.

[Blade6119]

Id say the bodyguard pick a random person, prob. one of the newer guys...dubb and i have way too much heat on us right now, so anyone outside of that is fair game id say...if the wolves killed dubb or i i would laugh since were both dead soon anyways

As for seer, id honestly say taz or rpi, with mustand a distant third....kwhit i feel is samurai, but not a normal one...thars my 2 cents

[Blade6119]

im out for the night, cheers and good night to all

[Alan T]

That is a complete mischaracterization of my vote. He had only 1 vote (from much earlier in the day, IIRC) when I voted for him and I made my reasons for the vote very clear. Hell, I'd vote for him right now for day two if I could, but I guess it'll have to wait.


Like I said about Saldana's vote earlier, I was more characterizing these votes based on when they happened and who they were for moreso than the reasons. I understand that alot of people didn't care alot for what Blade was doing and saw your post for why you voted that. I put you in this group primarily because when you voted Blade was tied for 4th in voting, and after you voted Blade picked up a quick 3rd vote from Lathum right after. Not sure why I didn't include Lathum in my list, I meant to.

Keep in mind I listed over half of the people in this game. As you can tell I still don't have a good feel for who is on our side and who isn't. Obviously right now the only person I trust is Sirfozzie since he is a proven samurai. I am hoping with night events we will get some lucky breaks and find out more about what we are up against.

[KWhit]

Like I said about Saldana's vote earlier, I was more characterizing these votes based on when they happened and who they were for moreso than the reasons. I understand that alot of people didn't care alot for what Blade was doing and saw your post for why you voted that. I put you in this group primarily because when you voted Blade was tied for 4th in voting, and after you voted Blade picked up a quick 3rd vote from Lathum right after. Not sure why I didn't include Lathum in my list, I meant to.
But "lump on vote" suggests it was a bandwagon jump which it most certainly was not. I just wanted to clarify what I think is a mis-characterization of my vote (in my eyes). You're free to comment on it how you wish, of course.

[Alan T]

But "lump on vote" suggests it was a bandwagon jump which it most certainly was not. I just wanted to clarify what I think is a mis-characterization of my vote (in my eyes). You're free to comment on it how you wish, of course.


Yeah I guess I should try to phraze it a little more clearer. In this case I was thinking in my head as lumped together votes. Sorry if I was confusing. I'm just trying to figure people out. Right now I think i am the most frustrated about mustang not voting than anything else.

[KWhit]

So much bullshit this game. So little substance. It's really sad, and really makes me miss the good old days of WW.
I was re-reading the thread and thought this needed repeating.

[KWhit]

BTW, that was not in response to you, Alan T.

[SirFozzie]

If oyu don't mind a dead guy being a buttinski one more time..

let the past go.. that includes past games as well as day one of this game. Start afresh, except use the votes (and not the reasons why) as your guide.

I apologize to anyone I might have offended or caused not to have fun with my silliness. Now have fun, or Chuck Norris will let me come back to life to chop you up.. they have great ginsu knives in the other world :D

[KWhit]

No worries, Foz. You didn't piss me off. I thought you were mostly in the right in this game. Sorry to see you go so early.

[kingfc22]

Did Hoops say when the night phase ends and day 2 begins? Just curious since I have to work tomorrow during the day and will have limited access until the afternoon.

[Alan T]

Did Hoops say when the night phase ends and day 2 begins? Just curious since I have to work tomorrow during the day and will have limited access until the afternoon.


I think (someone correct me if I am wrong), Hoops said he was going with 12 hours for nights? So I think till 8am CST tommorrow..

[hoopsguy]

12 hour night phase, so it is set to begin at 8AM tomorrow unless I have all the votes in earlier and no one PMs with a request for me to use the full 12 hours instead of posting early.

The following day (Day 2) would run 24 hours, so it would end at 8AM on Wednesday. Which is a pretty terrible time for me, so I might have to adjust it by an hour or so if the full 24/12 schedule plays out.

[TazFTW]

If there is a seer (hoops said that there will be changes in the usual roles for this game), you can view me. I've got nothing to hide.


taz and kwhit - both were lump on votes on blade after the fozzie bandwagon started. Since fozzie was a villager I don't think this is a huge deal though at this point.
Probably should have thrown in an explanation with my vote. My voting for blade is simply that I believe that the whole fozzie/dubb exchange was a samurai/samurai argument. It would have been foolish for fozzie to draw as much attention to him like he did if he were a ninja. Dubb, I believe is a samurai (I could be wrong) based on his defense. I voted blade because he was the third man in the argument and prolonged it.

I don't see how my vote is any more suspicious than anyone who voted for fozzie or dubb or mustang or king, etc...

[hoopsguy]

Note - from here on out Grammaticus will be holding the role previously played by Dubb.

Welcome to the village. Watch your back.

[Alan T]

Welcome to the game Grammaticus.

[Eaglesfan27]

Welcome to the game, Grammaticus.

[Grammaticus]

Konichiwa, I am Heihachi Makabe. I study in the dojo of the great Drunken Master, Dubb. It goes without saying that I am honorable Samurai.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Sorry we couldn't be welcoming you under better circumstances.

[PackerFanatic]

Taz, I love your sig :)

[Mr. Wednesday]

I don't know that Chuck will like it so well, though... :)

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, for the next few days, if I wake up in the morning, it's because Chuck Norris has spared my life. :D

(The ninjas, too, but if they kill me, Chuck has let them do it.)

[Blade6119]

Well, if we have a bodyguard at least one person is sure to be safe tonight...im pretty sure it wont be me, but i can pray lol

[Mustang]

Sorry guys. I intentionally did not vote on the first night.

My reason is simple. It would have been a vote targeting someone purely out of spite and not for the right reasons on weather or not I thought they were a ninja. Alot of the reasons posted seemed to be carry overs from other games and not necessarily from this game.

Ya.. I know.. makes me look either lazy or like I don't want to throw my support behind someone and later have people think I'm a Ninja but, rather get waxed honorably than by my grinding an ax with someone...

[Desnudo]

here is my take on this. RPI traditionally doesnt vote for the front runners on day one, his mantra is always that he doenst want to be part of a day one lynching. coder used the 13th player thing, which has been used in the past, including the HP game...both of those votes dont necessarily tell me anything. We also know why schmidty and eagles are on Dubb, so those two dont necessarily tell us anything.

the Votes i am most interested in are Desnudo and path who made throwaway votes for king, who we all know to be notoriously quiet in the first few days, but very strong later on,

The Taz vote for blade, which carried no explanation with it, and is in a perfect place to not get attention

and the Packer and King votes for SirFozzie, which again, are placed perfectly to be casually disregarded as voting for the front runner.

After a little searching, I actually found a game related post! My vote for King was made because I don't currently believe any of our three favorite samurai are ninjas. So the odds of someone else being a ninja are much higher. I know I'm not a ninja, so that makes four. Are you actually saying that voting for someone other than the samurai we killed is more indicative of evil intent? I say we call a spade a spade and look at SirFozzie's votes.

Just a personal vibe at this point. If they are ninjas, they are the three dumbest werewolf players of all time! (sorry had to slip that in, I'm kidding obviously). I was especially sure that SirFozzie was not a ninja since he was pretty much lining himself up against the wall.

[Mustang]

I was especially sure that SirFozzie was not a ninja since he was pretty much lining himself up against the wall.

Lining himself up against the wall? Hell.. Fozzie was sighting the gun in for his shooters... :D

[hoopsguy]

Dusk turns to night turns to pitch black in the space of minutes in this little patch of nowhere. Each samurai retires for the evening to reflect on the events of the past day. What could you have done differently to save SirFozzie? Each of you struggles with this question while girding yourself for another day.

The night explodes with the sound of steel as a battle appears to have erupted in the common area between your living spaces! There is a flash of light and a scream. The men burst out of their homes to find Blade lying in a pool of blood, badly wounded but still alive with Qwikshot standing over him. Qwikshot's manner does not appear to be threatening at this time.

Further inspection shows a shiruken in the door of Kingfc's home, burnt grass near Blade, and a bloody thin metal wire that was in Blade's neck moments earlier. It is clear that he was slashed by a blade across his face. It is also morbidly clear that he is unlikely to have the use of his eyesight again, as his injuries are massive and brutal, but not deadly.

Night 1 is over. The 24 hour Day 2 cycle has begun. Actions are due at 6:30AM on Wednesday. I'm willing to modify this time if the other players would like to do so, as an early morning doesn't quite have the same emotional buildup as the evening when 10+ people are in the thread. But I also want to ensure that everyone has sufficient time to act on this new information.

[Grammaticus]

Blade and Qwikshot, what happened?

[KWhit]

Say WHAT!?!?!?

[Qwikshot]

Dusk turns to night turns to pitch black in the space of minutes in this little patch of nowhere. Each samurai retires for the evening to reflect on the events of the past day. What could you have done differently to save SirFozzie? Each of you struggles with this question while girding yourself for another day.

The night explodes with the sound of steel as a battle appears to have erupted in the common area between your living spaces! There is a flash of light and a scream. The men burst out of their homes to find Blade lying in a pool of blood, badly wounded but still alive with Qwikshot standing over him. Qwikshot's manner does not appear to be threatening at this time.

Further inspection shows a shiruken in the door of Kingfc's home, burnt grass near Blade, and a bloody thin metal wire that was in Blade's neck moments earlier. It is clear that he was slashed by a blade across his face. It is also morbidly clear that he is unlikely to have the use of his eyesight again, as his injuries are massive and brutal, but not deadly.

Night 1 is over. The 24 hour Day 2 cycle has begun. Actions are due at 6:30AM on Wednesday. I'm willing to modify this time if the other players would like to do so, as an early morning doesn't quite have the same emotional buildup as the evening when 10+ people are in the thread. But I also want to ensure that everyone has sufficient time to act on this new information.

Brothers, Blade was cowardly ambushed! This is not the attack of a samurai. I heard a battle as I was practicing and went towards the sound when I saw a flash of light, which may have caused this grass to be burned. I saw someone running from Blade but I did not see who it was and stayed to protect Blade from further harm.

While I find some of his remarks to be dishonorable to that of the samurai, bordering close to that of the ronin, I would not slay him in such a dishonorable fashion that would surely displease Master Chuck Norris.

Take these words as truth, I am samurai!

[KWhit]

Very interesting. I wonder if there is any significance to the fact that his eyes were slashed? I imagine there is. He is the seer, perhaps????

[KWhit]

Dola -

Of course, I'm not sure I believe Qwik either.

[Alan T]

Ok, I am utterly confused..

Questions i have... What was Blade doing out? What was Qwikshot doing out?

From Blade's hints yesterday I have a feeling he was a bodyguard? He seemed to strongly be hinting that yesterday by mentioning the bodyguard a few times.

Qwikshot says he was just practicing, which Im not sure a valid reason to be out in the middle of night, would be helpful if you have anything else to give us Qwik that you might have seen.

Blade were you the bodyguard protecting king and someone tried to attack him?

[Alan T]

dola - interesting note.. Qwikshot, Blade and kingfc all voted for sirfozzie yesterday which seems weird to me. Probably just a coeincidence maybe.

[Qwikshot]

Ok, I am utterly confused..

Questions i have... What was Blade doing out? What was Qwikshot doing out?

From Blade's hints yesterday I have a feeling he was a bodyguard? He seemed to strongly be hinting that yesterday by mentioning the bodyguard a few times.

Qwikshot says he was just practicing, which Im not sure a valid reason to be out in the middle of night, would be helpful if you have anything else to give us Qwik that you might have seen.

Blade were you the bodyguard protecting king and someone tried to attack him?

I saw Blade battered and bloodied, I made a decision not to pursue the shadow fleeing and decided to stay with Blade as he requested help.

[Coder]

I'd like to hear some first hand accounts from Blade with regards to this. Hopefully he can tell us who he was fighting?

[Qwikshot]

I'd like to hear some first hand accounts from Blade with regards to this. Hopefully he can tell us who he was fighting?

The wire sticking out of his neck seems for me to think that he was attacked from behind.

[Coder]

The wire sticking out of his neck seems for me to think that he was attacked from behind.

Any information he has is valuable.. even if he was attacked from behind he can say what he was doing up etc.

[Qwikshot]

Any information he has is valuable.. even if he was attacked from behind he can say what he was doing up etc.

This is just my response to your question as to whom he was fighting and the probability that he was ambushed.

[Neon_Chaos]

Master Chuck Norris will not be pleased.

[Eaglesfan27]

Wow. What a turn of events. This certainly changes my plans to vote for Blade today. I strongly doubt he would maim himself.

Now, I'm not sure who to vote for. I guess we need to hear more from Blade.

[Mustang]

Possible that Blade may have been a guard and was watching over someone. The eyes being gouged out may signify that he has lost that ability now. (Or some other ability)

[saldana]

based on the injuries and evidence, i am not sure what qwik is up to at this point, why was he practicing in the middle of the night for number 1

blades injuries make me think more that he was the witness and was out being nosy, hence the eyes and throat....cant see anything, cant say anything.

as far as the burnt grass, i am thinking a flash bomb to help the ninja escape when qwik approached, or thrown by him while he took off his hood and resumed his samurai disguise

not sure what to make of the shruiken in king's door, except maybe it was thrown by blade and missed. i guess we will have to see what he has to say when he gets in.

[Coder]

Possible that Blade may have been a guard and was watching over someone. The eyes being gouged out may signify that he has lost that ability now. (Or some other ability)

I'm hoping this means he had an ability that could only be used once and he used it, thus getting some kind of information..

[Qwikshot]

based on the injuries and evidence, i am not sure what qwik is up to at this point, why was he practicing in the middle of the night for number 1

blades injuries make me think more that he was the witness and was out being nosy, hence the eyes and throat....cant see anything, cant say anything.

as far as the burnt grass, i am thinking a flash bomb to help the ninja escape when qwik approached, or thrown by him while he took off his hood and resumed his samurai disguise

not sure what to make of the shruiken in king's door, except maybe it was thrown by blade and missed. i guess we will have to see what he has to say when he gets in.

A bold accusation, accusing me of being anything but samurai, I don't need a hood and the cover of night to dispatch the likes of you! My honor is my code.

[Mustang]

Hmm...

In rereading the post, I find it odd that he was both slashed and strangled with a wire and the sounds of steel are heard. Garrotting someone is usually done from behind.. not when you are engaged in the midst of a battle. That would suggest 2 people fighting him potentially.. 1 with sword and 1 that snuck up behind him although there is only 1 flash burn area sounds like.

[Coder]

Hmm...

In rereading the post, I find it odd that he was both slashed and strangled with a wire and the sounds of steel are heard. Garrotting someone is usually done from behind.. not when you are engaged in the midst of a battle. That would suggest 2 people fighting him potentially.. 1 with sword and 1 that snuck up behind him although there is only 1 flash burn area sounds like.

Or maybe Qwik, trying to protect Blade, is a terrible swordsman and instead of killing the would-be assassin, he sliced up Blade...

:eek:

[Qwikshot]

When I happened upon Blade there was no attacker present.

[kingfc22]

Ok, I am checking in before I go to work. I did not see anything last night as I was in my room. All I heard was the sound of men fighting outside. I wish I did go outside though.

I want to hear what Blade has to say about all this that is if he is not unconscious.

[Grammaticus]

based on the injuries and evidence, i am not sure what qwik is up to at this point, why was he practicing in the middle of the night for number 1

blades injuries make me think more that he was the witness and was out being nosy, hence the eyes and throat....cant see anything, cant say anything.

as far as the burnt grass, i am thinking a flash bomb to help the ninja escape when qwik approached, or thrown by him while he took off his hood and resumed his samurai disguise

not sure what to make of the shruiken in king's door, except maybe it was thrown by blade and missed. i guess we will have to see what he has to say when he gets in.
Hmm, this is an interesting thought. Maybe Blade cannot see or talk now. Will that stop him from posting? I have not noticed if he has joined in the thread yet or not. Maybe the ninja’s were tired of the chatter yesterday and decided to silence our outspoken Samurai. That is if he is a Samurai and not a Ninja. I tend to think Samurai at this point.

[Schmidty]

As has been said here, I am very confident that Blade was the Seer.

[Grammaticus]

As has been said here, I am very confident that Blade was the Seer.
Seer sounds as good as witness or maybe a better choice. Do you think he is “dead” in game terms? Maybe in this game you get severely dishonored rather than killed.

[Grammaticus]

I’m suspicious of Mustang for not voting yesterday. He provided an excuse, but it is not a good one. Not wanting to get involved in the voting standoff yesterday because it was too personal is not a reason to not vote. He could have easily chose someone else. Not voting makes it more difficult for the Samurai and this is multiplied as time goes on.

VOTE MUSTANG

If he is Samurai, he needs to vote. If he does not then he makes it harder to root out the Ninja. If he is Ninja, then a good deed is done in lynching him.

[Alan T]

Seer sounds as good as witness or maybe a better choice. Do you think he is “dead” in game terms? Maybe in this game you get severely dishonored rather than killed.


I hope he wasn't the seer. I still think the way he kept hinting yesterday about who the bodyguard should guard, and that we likely have a bodyguard and such that he was hinting to his role. (I am hoping at least he was not the seer). If this is true, then it sounds like he was killed protecting king last night.

I guess I wonder if Blade can still post or not like has been said, I was hoping for some feedback from him to what his role was and what he was doing to try to expand my circle of trust some today before going down a path of likely choices.

Before this morning's news I think I was leaning torwards what Grammaticus said for Mustang, but now I have some of the similar questions that Saldana brought up about Qwikshot. he did not really give us a good explanation for what he was doing with Blade. I guess right now either way I would like to wait a bit to give Blade a chance to talk if he still is able to.

[Qwikshot]

I didn't harm Blade, but lord knows, now it would have been worth it just to deserve the suspicion.

[PackerFanatic]

It certainly sounds to me, as has been said, that Blade was the seer. He must be one of us in order to have been hurt so badly...he knew something or had a power and the ninjas knew that. I have a feeling Qwik isn't as loyal as he says...

[Blade6119]

Blade were you the bodyguard protecting king and someone tried to attack him?

I was, i was, and i dont know...either they went after king and i protected him, but they have some anti-bodyguard role...or they attacked me and my role allows me to survive it once. I was the bodyguard, but could not protect the same person twice before i had protected everyone in the game. I protected king, and noticed a ninja in the shadows...when i moved to him i was atatcked from behind...since i am a master of the martial arts(more so then the rest of you) i fought him off. They managed to blind me though, and i can no longer use my bodyguard role for the rest of the game. So either i got very lucky with king(figured he was the most likely target) or the wolves tried to kill me. I did not know who qwik was, he came after i fought the ninjas off, and hoops said i couldnt see the man standing above me...Im pretty sure i know why he was out, but i wont share it

[Poli]

How many fingers am I holding up?

[Alan T]

I was, i was, and i dont know...either they went after king and i protected him, but they have some anti-bodyguard role...or they attacked me and my role allows me to survive it once. I was the bodyguard, but could not protect the same person twice before i had protected everyone in the game. I protected king, and noticed a ninja in the shadows...when i moved to him i was atatcked from behind...since i am a master of the martial arts(more so then the rest of you) i fought him off. They managed to blind me though, and i can no longer use my bodyguard role for the rest of the game. So either i got very lucky with king(figured he was the most likely target) or the wolves tried to kill me. I did not know who qwik was, he came after i fought the ninjas off, and hoops said i couldnt see the man standing above me...Im pretty sure i know why he was out, but i wont share it


Ok, then you'll vouch for Qwik, that he wasn't involved? Thats good enough for me. Thanks for the explanation, sorry for your eyesight, but it looks like you made a good guess for night 1 at least. This at least gives us something to work off of.

[Blade6119]

I was attacked from behind after seeing another...he used wire around my neck but i fought him off...we had a sword firght and then he used a bomb to get away after blinding me...then after they left a 3rd party came and stood over me...i didnt know who it was...night action post told me it was qwik...but he was not one of the ninjas that attacked me

[Blade6119]

Ok, then you'll vouch for Qwik, that he wasn't involved? Thats good enough for me. Thanks for the explanation, sorry for your eyesight, but it looks like you made a good guess for night 1 at least. This at least gives us something to work off of.
To me, last night cleared myself, qwik, and kingfc...though king could still be bad i doubt it...

[Blade6119]

I saw Blade battered and bloodied, I made a decision not to pursue the shadow fleeing and decided to stay with Blade as he requested help.
This saved my life...at the end of my night action i was calling out for help to the shadowy figure above me. I am to believe that if he had followed the attackers, i would have died.

[PackerFanatic]

Why was Qwik out in the first place though?

[Alan T]

To me, last night cleared myself, qwik, and kingfc...though king could still be bad i doubt it...


Ok, well this at least gives us somewhere to start, thanks for the good info, you've helped us narrow it down a bit.

[Blade6119]

Why was Qwik out in the first place though?
There are 3 options since he was not with the ninjas, and none of the 3 are ones you need to worry about. Or talk about

[PackerFanatic]

Can you say with 100% certainty he wasn't with the ninjas though? Just because he showed up after you were attacked doesn't sell it in my mind...

[Alan T]

Im not sure who the bodyguard should protect. Im guessing if this is like past games, probably one of the more experienced/valuable players. Of course saying that on here would make it pointless since then they would just be avoided...

As for the seer... My list of people I am most worried about right now are:

Mustang - Im not a big fan of people who dont vote, as voting patterns are all we have to go on at times. Its understandable if something comes up, but he was in the thread and responded and still didnt vote.

Rpi - has seemed a bit hostle and started a totally different run , staying out of the way of anyone likely to be lynched. Likely trying to keep his voting record spotless.

Blade and Dubb - well for obvious reasons, they were the main people who confonted fozzie. Like I said before, I dont honestly think these two are ninjas, but Dubb has fooled me before.

taz and kwhit - both were lump on votes on blade after the fozzie bandwagon started. Since fozzie was a villager I don't think this is a huge deal though at this point.

tanglewood, saldana, packerfan and king - all lumped on votes on fozzie.


At least thats the group I am starting with to try to figure out. Its tough with only one day of votes, maybe tommorrow will clear up more for me.


With the night events, my list feels a little more refined to me. Still a large group of people who I am curious about, and Im guessing there might be a ninja that isnt on here that slid their vote elsewhere. If I am to assume blade, Qwik and king are all good, that refines my list I am curious about to:

Mustang, rpi, grammaticus (based on dubb's actions), taz, kwhit, Lathum, tanglewood, saldana and packerfan. I know thats a little over half of the untrusted villagers. Im hoping in the next night or two I can refine this even a little more.


Right now I think Im leaning torwards voting Mustang primarily for the reasons Grammaticus said, but am waiting a bit to see if anyone else has any info from their night actions that might sway us some.

[Blade6119]

Can you say with 100% certainty he wasn't with the ninjas though? Just because he showed up after you were attacked doesn't sell it in my mind...
In the PM i recieved after my battle with the ninjas, i literally couldnt lift my own arm if i tried....it said quite clear the ninja ran off, i was utterly defenseless, and this third party showed up...i called for help. His description(which came before i revealed my story) about choosing to stay to help me couldnt have been a more exact fit...if he was a ninja he quite easily could have finished me off, and i dont think hoops would allow a third ninja to save the bodyguard. Last night, while getting the bodyguard, they still lost a night kill...thats a big deal

[PackerFanatic]

I admit my vote last night was quick and really just based on info from others. I should have pretty much just obstained from voting, although it probably wouldn't have made a difference. I stand by my samurai heritage and will be sure to fully investigate all possible pathways before making a vote from now on.

[Blade6119]

With the night events, my list feels a little more refined to me. Still a large group of people who I am curious about, and Im guessing there might be a ninja that isnt on here that slid their vote elsewhere. If I am to assume blade, Qwik and king are all good, that refines my list I am curious about to:

Mustang, rpi, grammaticus (based on dubb's actions), taz, kwhit, Lathum, tanglewood, saldana and packerfan. I know thats a little over half of the untrusted villagers. Im hoping in the next night or two I can refine this even a little more.


Right now I think Im leaning torwards voting Mustang primarily for the reasons Grammaticus said, but am waiting a bit to see if anyone else has any info from their night actions that might sway us some.
For me, gramat is a villager too...i dont believe dubb would give up a wolf role, let alone have to use the whos online feature to look for wolves...its an assumption, but im fairly certain gramat is clean too

[Blade6119]

I'd like to hear some first hand accounts from Blade with regards to this. Hopefully he can tell us who he was fighting?
I do not know who i was fighting, but i know there were 2 ninjas out and about...i didnt even know it was qwik standing above me till hoops posted night actions...i apologize in this regard, i cant help you. And by choosing to save me qwik cant help you either. I actually would almost have rather have had him follow them

[KWhit]

Here's last night vote count for reference:
SirFozzie (8) - AlanT (137), Blade (149), Dubb (167), Tanglewood (324), Saldana (405), PackerFanatic (460), Kingfc (482), Qwikshot (569)
Blade (5) - Kwhit (383), Lathum (387), SirFozzie (473), TazFTW (506), Mr. W (572)
Dubb (2) - Schmidty (146), Eaglesfan (180)
Mustang (1) - Coder (168)
Qwikshot (1) - RPI (400)
Kingfc (2) - Desnudo (466), Path (496)
No Vote (1) - Mustang

[Mustang]

He could have easily chose someone else. Not voting makes it more difficult for the Samurai and this is multiplied as time goes on.


So, what you want to do is vote me off so you either remove me for non-participation and if I'm a ninja, that is just a bonus.

Why don't you just ask hoopsguy to replace me then? Kill me out of spite and you are just throwing away a Samurai.

Pretty much the exact opposite of why I didn't vote last night. It was either a spite vote or a throwaway vote...

[tanglewood]

Well Blade and Qwik seem pretty clean, perhaps Qwik has some kind of doctor/medic role?

As for voting today I am as yet completely undecided. I would be interested in hearing more from some of the quiter players.

[Blade6119]

Here's last night vote count for reference:
And a non-vote from mustang..dont forget that

[Blade6119]

So, what you want to do is vote me off so you either remove me for non-participation and if I'm a ninja, that is just a bonus.

Why don't you just ask hoopsguy to replace me then? Kill me out of spite and you are just throwing away a Samurai.

Pretty much the exact opposite of why I didn't vote last night. It was either a spite vote or a throwaway vote...
The only reason im considering voting for you is before i came out you were spot on...so either your very observant or you were involved in the attack :eek:

[KWhit]

And a non-vote from mustang..dont forget that
Edited to show that.

[Alan T]

So, what you want to do is vote me off so you either remove me for non-participation and if I'm a ninja, that is just a bonus.

Why don't you just ask hoopsguy to replace me then? Kill me out of spite and you are just throwing away a Samurai.

Pretty much the exact opposite of why I didn't vote last night. It was either a spite vote or a throwaway vote...


I don't think that is exactly what he is saying, or if it is, thats not my exact feelings. I have seen wolves hide by skipping a vote here or there to make them a little less trackable or to not give people reasons to vote for them. Its actually worked well for them a few times. Right now in the early game, there is not alot to go on, as we are collecting the pieces. All I know is right now out of 19 people, I trust myself, 1 other, and then 2 others who Blade vouches for. that leaves 16 people who I really do not have much to go on to find 3 or so ninjas.

Right now Im just looking at anything that might be a ninja type move to possibly watch for, and your not posting a vote even while being here is something that a ninja might do just to slip through the cracks and make it harder to pin them down. I think at least thats what Grammaticus is getting at, or at least its some of my feelings. If I end up voting for you, its not out of spite, its just you are one of the ones who has given me the biggest reason to vote for you is all.

Don't mean to make you upset or anything, just looking at your possible strategies here, not saying anything that I am hoping would cause you to want to leave the game.

[Blade6119]

My trust list:

For sure:
Myself
Qwik

pretty sure:
Gramat

Average:
King(its possible the ninjas were coming to get him to take him out to kill someone)

Fair:
Alan

Not very much:
Mustang
Kwhit
Lathum
taz
Mr. w

Everyone else i dont want to share on right now

[Blade6119]

dola, if i was the one targeted last night, i would think it would mean we have ninjas in that group that voted for me...either they wanted me dead becuase i pissed them off, or just becuase they thought i was a threat...and ninjaS..not one, unless its Mr. W.

[Mustang]

Don't mean to make you upset or anything, just looking at your possible strategies here, not saying anything that I am hoping would cause you to want to leave the game.

No not upset. More upset at myself for now costing the Samurais now because I've seemingly put this big blinking light over myself saying 'untrustworthy'

So.. in that essence I've thrown the game off.

*shrug*

Blade said there were 2 attackers.. but, there was only 1 burnt area which suggests one Ninja made a hasty exit and the other didn't... which would make me lean towards either Qwik or Blade being a Ninja that was roughed up by a Samurai or other unknown neutral entity.

[Alan T]

Hmm, I'm still tempted to vote for Mustang, but relying alot on Blade's gut instincts as well as what I was thinking, I'll throw my early vote out a different way for now. (I don't really want to start a bandwagon on Mustang before anyone else even has any votes.)

So to start for now, I'll

VOTE TAZFTW

Primarily for now going on someone who earlier yesterday just slid in a vote on someone who was rather meaningless votewise at the time, yet still part of the day's main debate. He later came back after the lynch with an explanation that mimiced a few other people's for the most part. That is what put him on my suspicious list (that and him remaining pretty quiet). I'll vote him though based on my suspicions as well as Blade's feelings about him. For the record, this vote could easily have been on Kwhit, Lathum, Mustang or a few others that I have about the same level of lack of confidence in right now. I'm not solid on this and if someone comes out with information damning someone else, I wouldnt have any problems moving it.

[Blade6119]

Blade said there were 2 attackers.. but, there was only 1 burnt area which suggests one Ninja made a hasty exit and the other didn't... which would make me lean towards either Qwik or Blade being a Ninja that was roughed up by a Samurai or other unknown neutral entity.
I was only attacked by one ninja...two were there(i believe...i saw movement in the shadows and just as i was about to investigate i was attacked), but only 1 attacked me...i moved at first towards one i saw and was attacked from behind...that ninja was the only one i fought. With this post you just went from mild distrust to a blinking red light.

You were right about what happened to me at night, and then 180 to this? Not good

VOTE MUSTANG

[Alan T]

No not upset. More upset at myself for now costing the Samurais now because I've seemingly put this big blinking light over myself saying 'untrustworthy'

So.. in that essence I've thrown the game off.

*shrug*

Blade said there were 2 attackers.. but, there was only 1 burnt area which suggests one Ninja made a hasty exit and the other didn't... which would make me lean towards either Qwik or Blade being a Ninja that was roughed up by a Samurai or other unknown neutral entity.

I don't think I agree with this, at least about Blade. If he was a ninja injured by another samurai, I would think the samurai would come forward and condemn him. I think it would be a foolish move for a ninja to try to play this type of move off as it could easily lead to a 1 for 1 samurai for ninja swap which I would gladly take. Im still not entirely sold on Qwikshot, but I am fairly sold on Blade, and if he vouches for Qwik, then I am taking him out of my sights for a bit.

I think right now you are further making me a bit suspicious of you just because you are possibly questioning the only two people on my clear list.

[Blade6119]

I just re-read my night action...there was one ninja...i saw movement to my left(i took that to mean a different ninja) ad heared a whistling sound by my ear...my cat-like reflexes allowed me to hit my attacker in the chin and he released the wire...he then threw the bomb and blinded me, and while blinded he cut my face with his sword/knife...i heared him run away and laid they "unable to mount any kind of defense." While laying there i heared new footsteps from a new party and called out for help.

Sorry for the confusion, i mis-read it...thats as close as i can go paraphrasing the PM without copying it.