Werewolf XXII - Way of the Colt - Game over, congrats samurai!

[Mustang]

You were right about what happened to me at night, and then 180 to this? Not good

VOTE MUSTANG

*L*

180 into that?

How is that a 180? There are 2 attackers.. 1 sign of an exit and no sign of another exit so, to me that suggests the attacker is still around.

I'd think you are a Samurai now though because, given the level of distrust against me a Ninja would want to keep me around.

But, I'll vote for myself too just to get the bandwagon going

VOTE MUSTANG

[Eaglesfan27]

I'm not sure of my entire trust list yet, but after hearing from Blade, he is at the top of my trust list. I also think Qwik and Kingfc22 are probably good. Based on Blade's last post (748,) I'm thinking about voting for Mustang, but I haven't decided yet.

[Mustang]

I just re-read my night action...there was one ninja...

Gee..

Thanks for the bad information

[Eaglesfan27]

Well, going with my I vote for anyone who asks to be killed or votes for themself platform and since I was already leaning that way based on game data and Blade's posts:

I vote Mustang.

[Blade6119]

Gee..

Thanks for the bad information
I assume, there still could be two...its not clear on numbers, so i make my own assumptions...my assumption changed as i re-read it to paraphrase for you.

[Mustang]

Well, going with my I vote for anyone who asks to be killed or votes for themself platform and since I was already leaning that way based on game data and Blade's posts:

I vote Mustang.

No.. just asking for myself to be removed. I'll never have the trust of the group.. the Ninjas will keep me around for that reason so, just ax me, get the mistrust over with.

[Blade6119]

*L*

180 into that?

How is that a 180? There are 2 attackers.. 1 sign of an exit and no sign of another exit so, to me that suggests the attacker is still around.

I'd think you are a Samurai now though because, given the level of distrust against me a Ninja would want to keep me around.

But, I'll vote for myself too just to get the bandwagon going

VOTE MUSTANG
180 from knowing before i posted i was the bodyguard and lost my role ability, to saying i could have been the attacker...and voting for yourself=bad news

[Blade6119]

No.. just asking for myself to be removed. I'll never have the trust of the group.. the Ninjas will keep me around for that reason so, just ax me, get the mistrust over with.
You would be suprised...i am acting under the assumption i was targeted last night, not king...why would they do that with how much heat i had on me? becuase we have some wolfs who are newer to being wolves

[Mustang]

You would be suprised...i am acting under the assumption i was targeted last night, not king...why would they do that with how much heat i had on me? becuase we have some wolfs who are newer to being wolves

Wolves are around? I thought there were Ninja and Samurai around??? :D

And I'm acting under the assumption that the Ninja's have half a brain. Why kill me? half the people distrust me so.. knock me off. You'll always have that in the game so, start from scratch.

If you kill me, you'll just kill a Samurai but, hey.. I want the Samurai to win so.. telling them what to do.

[Blade6119]

Wolves are around? I thought there were Ninja and Samurai around??? :D

And I'm acting under the assumption that the Ninja's have half a brain. Why kill me? half the people distrust me so.. knock me off. You'll always have that in the game so, start from scratch.

If you kill me, you'll just kill a Samurai but, hey.. I want the Samurai to win so.. telling them what to do.
im about 90% sure they attacked me last night...tell me why that makes sense by your logic. Far more then half distrusted me, but they did...so either they are going after vets(dubb already left) or someone didnt like my rant yesterday...you stated in your non-vote post you could vote off spite(which would be me i presume)...I certainly feel mr. w is a suspect, as is taz...those are my top 3, but your still #1

[Mustang]

I'm sure you were picked to get you out of the game but, probably not because you are some supreme vet but, possibly just to shut you up. (Given the number of spite votes, I can see this happening) But, you've turned that into you were picked obviously because the Ninja's are new guys to the game and don't know what they are doing.

And, I was talking about myself above and what I'd do if I were a Ninja.

[Lathum]

OK, I just caught up.

I will be gone for most of he day moving into my new apartment but I have a few opinions, most of which have already been bought up.

I think Qwick is probably clear for all the reasons already stated.

I think Gramm casting his vote before we heard from Blade is very questionable. Why cast a vote before we heard the valuable information Blade had to say?

Coder has been very quiet and cast one of those random lets spread out the vote votes

I think right now Mustang seems like the best choice. Not so much because of the evidence against him but because of his defenses. Being a "veteran" of WW games his defense is the same as most other guilty parties.

Subject to change but for now

VOTE MUSTANG


My vote is subject to change

[Blade6119]

I'm sure you were picked to get you out of the game but, probably not because you are some supreme vet but, possibly just to shut you up. (Given the number of spite votes, I can see this happening) But, you've turned that into you were picked obviously because the Ninja's are new guys to the game and don't know what they are doing.

And, I was talking about myself above and what I'd do if I were a Ninja.
Did you read that i said either becuase i pissed someone off or becuase im a vet(which i wh i was killed night one last game)...and if its becuase i pissed the ninjas off, your even higher on my list. You didnt vote me, but you hinted you would have.

[Mustang]

Did you read that i said either becuase i pissed someone off or becuase im a vet(which i wh i was killed night one last game)...and if its becuase i pissed the ninjas off, your even higher on my list. You didnt vote me, but you hinted you would have.

Yes, I read that.

You didn't piss me off Binky. I just think you are annoying.

Thankfully, in a few hours I won't have to pay attention to this.

[Blade6119]

Yes, I read that.

You didn't piss me off Binky. I just think you are annoying.

Thankfully, in a few hours I won't have to pay attention to this.
all one and the same...all one and the same

[Mustang]

all one and the same...all one and the same

So, it doesn't bother you that people want to leave this game because of you? These games used to be fun.

I feel sorry for hoopsguy because this game has basically turned to crap.

[Desnudo]

Since Blade ended up with a wire in his neck, that clears him in my eyes. A choke wire is the weapon of a ninja, not a samurai. I'm not sure if Mustang just didn't think it through and was speculating, but that was a curious assessment of what happened.

Obviously there's some fog around the voting for Blade, but if they went after him on night one, it's pretty obvious they must have wanted him dead during the day as well.

[Coder]

The self-vote is a bit strange, and could be interpreted as an attempt to garner sympathy from the current voters. The fact that he pin-pointed 2 attackers is also interesting, but to be honest I also got the impression that there were more than one attacker since you had both the attempt "from behind" and the one in the face.. could be me just reading too much into the explanation from hoops though.

Lathum, I'm a bit quiet mostly because I was having a hard time following the posts during the weekend because of all the chatter in here then.. it was really frustrating to be honest, so I stayed away hoping to at least get a little bit of useful info today.

Just like last time I think I'll get a better grasp on the situation the further the game goes, and I will most likely be a bit more vocal then.

I have three names that I feel pretty positive about, which is more than I had after the first night in my first game. Right now I'm not prepared to vote for Mustang though, despite what's been said. However, I don't think that any ninjas will come out and make any poor comments revealing themselves yet.. and if Mustang really is a ninja, that is just what he's done ;)

[Blade6119]

So, it doesn't bother you that people want to leave this game because of you? These games used to be fun.

I feel sorry for hoopsguy because this game has basically turned to crap.
One person has left, and it was for reasons that couldnt be farther from me. And i see you claiming you want to leave, but your the only one. I upset some people, which is exactly what i wanted...i think your overstating the effects of my actions, as i think most people are quite content to stay and play, despite not particularly enjoying my play style. This game is just getting started, its day 2, and besides your comment right here we havent been off topic since yesterday morning...i think the game is right on track, we just had an interesting day one. Hoops seems quite happy when i have talked to him, and i am with the fact the game is on track right now. If more people choose to leave, ill be quite suprised

[Mustang]

Since Blade ended up with a wire in his neck, that clears him in my eyes. A choke wire is the weapon of a ninja, not a samurai. I'm not sure if Mustang just didn't think it through and was speculating, but that was a curious assessment of what happened.


Good point. I was making the general assumption on what I was seeing based on what we knew. At the time, I was thinking there were 2 attackers. One that tried to strangle him and one that attacked with sword. (perhaps the one attacked first and the second tried to garrotte him afterwards)

I was trying to dig through the facts that are given as opposed to going off of who hates who and who didn't vote. (Which has been the Vote du jour the last 2 days)

[Desnudo]

Blade (5) - Kwhit (383), Lathum (387), SirFozzie (473), TazFTW (506), Mr. W (572)

I'll follow the obvious root and look at who voted for Blade yesterday. My vote will likely come from someone in this group. I think the "not like" angle is perfect cover to try and eliminate someone they obviously wanted to eliminate anyway.

[Blade6119]

Good point. I was making the general assumption on what I was seeing based on what we knew. At the time, I was thinking there were 2 attackers. One that tried to strangle him and one that attacked with sword. (perhaps the one attacked first and the second tried to garrotte him afterwards)

I was trying to dig through the facts that are given as opposed to going off of who hates who and who didn't vote. (Which has been the Vote du jour the last 2 days)
Well the biggest fact is that i was targeted on night one despite the heat on me...meaning ninjas wanted me dead...meaning you and the people who voted for me are the biggest targets right now

[Blade6119]

Blade (5) - Kwhit (383), Lathum (387), SirFozzie (473), TazFTW (506), Mr. W (572)

I'll follow the obvious root and look at who voted for Blade yesterday. My vote will likely come from someone in this group. I think the "not like" angle is perfect cover to try and eliminate someone they obviously wanted to eliminate anyway.
Id add mustang, as in his non-vote comment he said he could vote on spite, which means me...and he confirmed that fact later...just saying

[Desnudo]

As for Mustang, I don't see where he, as a ninja, benefits from standing out like that. Bandwagoning on Blade or SirFozzie lumps you with a ton of other people.

[Blade6119]

As for Mustang, I don't see where he, as a ninja, benefits from standing out like that. Bandwagoning on Blade or SirFozzie lumps you with a ton of other people.
I think half the point is that he didnt want to be lumped in with the other people...either he votes for fozzie, who ended up a villager(potential to look bad) or myself(potential to look bad after night action)...i think his move avoids that. but i also see where it makes sense, i just feel a villager would vote regardless if they were around, as a non-vote only hurts the villagers(be it due to tracking or what not)...When the vote count is posted, it didnt have mustang...we had to go back and edit him in since he was forgotten...

[Lathum]

Blade (5) - Kwhit (383), Lathum (387), SirFozzie (473), TazFTW (506), Mr. W (572)

I'll follow the obvious root and look at who voted for Blade yesterday. My vote will likely come from someone in this group. I think the "not like" angle is perfect cover to try and eliminate someone they obviously wanted to eliminate anyway.

Actually it is the other way around in my opinion. It is a pretty standard play by the Ninja's to attack blade and throw suspicion on these people.

IMO all these people are in the clear.

[Desnudo]

I think half the point is that he didnt want to be lumped in with the other people...either he votes for fozzie, who ended up a villager(potential to look bad) or myself(potential to look bad after night action)...i think his move avoids that. but i also see where it makes sense, i just feel a villager would vote regardless if they were around, as a non-vote only hurts the villagers(be it due to tracking or what not)...When the vote count is posted, it didnt have mustang...we had to go back and edit him in since he was forgotten...

Yes, but if he votes for either one of you, he's added to a list of about 75% of the people around. Whereas not voting at all is like putting a big neon sign on your head. Maybe it's a gambit, like hey, it's so silly that he must be a villager so we ignore him the rest of the time, but why bother taking the risk at this point?

[Alan T]

Actually it is the other way around in my opinion. It is a pretty standard play by the Ninja's to attack blade and throw suspicion on these people.

IMO all these people are in the clear.


Are you saying this because you are in this list too? :)

I understand what you are saying, that is something commonly done. Thats why i tried to find a few people who I had a handful of actions that i did not like (beyond just who they voted for) and picked one to vote for now. Even though while I don't have my vote currently on Mustang, he was definitly near the top of that list, and I almost did vote for him too.

[Blade6119]

Yes, but if he votes for either one of you, he's added to a list of about 75% of the people around. Whereas not voting at all is like putting a big neon sign on your head. Maybe it's a gambit, like hey, it's so silly that he must be a villager so we ignore him the rest of the time, but why bother taking the risk at this point?
Why bother killing me since i was likely to go today if they hadnt? i dont get that move, so im applying a same theory to all aspects...that they arent playing a normal wolf game

[Mustang]

Well, one of 2 things is going to happen

1.) I'm going to be killed today
2.) I'm going to be replaced today.

If there is a replacement, I'd ask you guys to please avoid the non-vote as anything related to the game. I've already explained why.. holding this against my replacement would not be fair.

Thanks

[Desnudo]

Actually it is the other way around in my opinion. It is a pretty standard play by the Ninja's to attack blade and throw suspicion on these people.

IMO all these people are in the clear.

That's a little bit of a broad statement at this point.

[Blade6119]

Well, one of 2 things is going to happen

1.) I'm going to be killed today
2.) I'm going to be replaced today.

If there is a replacement, I'd ask you guys to please avoid the non-vote as anything related to the game. I've already explained why.. holding this against my replacement would not be fair.

Thanks
i dont know of any replacements...If after 3-4 votes you already want to quit then im sad you even signed up. Today has been nothing but in game talk and the second people doubt you, you want to quit and pack up...if you hadnt been voted against today you would still be chugging along with your posts...i find that self-defeatist(esp. the vote for yourself) and depressing. If you know me i accuse people heavily, and then switch based on responses...i still really like taz, kwhit, and mr. w for todays lynch...but if you want to go i dont want to hold you back :(

[Blade6119]

That's a little bit of a broad statement at this point.
Especially considering hes one of the people on his list :rolleyes:

[Desnudo]

i dont know of any replacements...If after 3-4 votes you already want to quit then im sad you even signed up. Today has been nothing but in game talk and the second people doubt you, you want to quit and pack up...if you hadnt been voted against today you would still be chugging along with your posts...i find that self-defeatist(esp. the vote for yourself) and depressing. If you know me i accuse people heavily, and then switch based on responses...i still really like taz, kwhit, and mr. w for todays lynch...but if you want to go i dont want to hold you back :(

Any reason you left Lathum off that list?

[Coder]

Any reason you left Lathum off that list?

I'd be curious about that too. I've heard suspicions on Wednesday, but haven't read any posts where he says anything yet. Only thing I have is that he voted for Blade on day 1.

Lathum also voted for Blade day 1, and is a bit defensive at the moment (which is understandable), but his statement when defending himself is a bit awkward.. could be my inexperience, but it doesn't make sense.

[Blade6119]

Any reason you left Lathum off that list?
Yes, i felt it would be an even more akward move for a wolf to do that. Before that post he was just another guy in the group. After it he is the name you look at first...lathum, despite comments i made earlier about him, is an experienced player who knows what he is doing. he has played quite a few games, and as a spy even won one single-handidly i believe. I dont think lathum would make that move as a wolf, but i might be wrong. Taz is on there for his vote and no reason(perfect for flying under the radar), kwhit for his attacks back at be(he was behind fozzie in number, but was ahead of everyone else...if i was targeted night one, i was prob. targeted day one too). Mr. W becuase he is one of the "vets" and despite what he may have said(dont remember his reasoning) he would be the first person in the entire game i would say would want me dead

[Blade6119]

dola, and Mr. w voted for me, linking him close

[KWhit]

I was only attacked by one ninja...two were there(i believe...i saw movement in the shadows and just as i was about to investigate i was attacked), but only 1 attacked me...i moved at first towards one i saw and was attacked from behind...that ninja was the only one i fought. With this post you just went from mild distrust to a blinking red light.

You were right about what happened to me at night, and then 180 to this? Not good

VOTE MUSTANG
I don't see the logic here at all. Mustang questioned your account of what happened by looking at the facts laid out by hoops and suggesting that 1 burn mark might mean that only one ninja escaped. And you jump all over it and are using it to try to lynch him? Weird. I think you and Qwik are both clean, but I'm leaning toward thinking Mustang is clean, too. I'm leaning toward voting for him because he asked to go, but his post doesn't incriminate him in my book. Hell, you didn't even know how many ninjas were there and you got the damn PM about it!

[Mustang]

i dont know of any replacements...If after 3-4 votes you already want to quit then im sad you even signed up. Today has been nothing but in game talk and the second people doubt you, you want to quit and pack up...

Has nothing to do with a self defeatist attitude. I said if you guys want to bandwagon and lynch me, I won't hold you back so, I voted for myself. (I can sense a bangwagon chain when I see it in the beginning)

I was hoping it was going to spur a little more discussion on game facts than the only fact that was out there that I didn't vote. Either one of 2 things was going to happen, everyone was going to steamroll me, in that case, If I was a Ninja why even throw my vote on someone OR since I'm a Samurai, I wanted the second to happen which was for everyone to potentially think of other items..

[KWhit]

OR since I'm a Samurai, I wanted the second to happen which was for everyone to potentially think of other items..
Blade doesn't seem to understand using logic. He just likes to piss everybody off and vote for the person maddest at him. So I actually expect him to move his vote to me before the deadline.

[Mustang]

Mustang questioned your account of what happened by looking at the facts laid out by hoops and suggesting that 1 burn mark might mean that only one ninja escaped.

Thank you.. was just looking at plausible scenarios.

I never accused Blade of being a Ninja or Qwik.. was just throwing ideas out there to be discussed or have a rebuttle done.

One of which was my mistake that it had to be 2... the person could have garrotted Blade, he got free and had a sword battle.

Another was that Blade had a garrote used against him, the weapon of a Ninja.

Self mutilation seems low on the scale of probabilities.. but, I'm not convinced of if there were 1 or 2 attackers yet.

[Grammaticus]

So, what you want to do is vote me off so you either remove me for non-participation and if I'm a ninja, that is just a bonus.

Why don't you just ask hoopsguy to replace me then? Kill me out of spite and you are just throwing away a Samurai.

Pretty much the exact opposite of why I didn't vote last night. It was either a spite vote or a throwaway vote...

Non-participation of communication and voting is something that creates a disadvantage later in the game for the Samurai. Example, If it comes down to 3 Samurai and 2 Ninja, you want posts and vote history to help make the vote decision. If you end up being one of the Samurai left and have not voted much or provided communication with content, it makes your fellow Samurai make a guess with little information. That works in favor of the Ninja.

Now at this point there is not a strong reason for me to suspect anyone, your not voting is a small suspicion that makes you a front runner. I have to think, are you a Ninja trying not to give up any information or are you a Samurai trying not to give up any information? Is it a strategy or are you busy or is being busy the strategy? And, yes even if you are a Samurai, I would rather lose you than someone with post content and votes. Basically clear out the ambiguous people as part of the Ninja rooting process. But of course, I want a Ninja to go first if we can root one out.

It is also a little bit of “once bitten twice shy” with me. I almost took out Jeeber and Superman in a prior game with a special action. They both had not voted a few times and posted very little and both ended up working for the dark side. The Jeeber mistake was huge. I would rather not get burned like that again.

Well, one of 2 things is going to happen

1.) I'm going to be killed today
2.) I'm going to be replaced today.

If there is a replacement, I'd ask you guys to please avoid the non-vote as anything related to the game. I've already explained why.. holding this against my replacement would not be fair.

Thanks

Why number two? No one is asking for you to be replaced. Not voting is sometimes used as a strategy. It is up to the Samurai to decide if they will accept it or not and under what pretense.

[Mustang]

Non-participation of communication and voting is something that creates a disadvantage later in the game for the Samurai. .

I'm well aware of that. Hence, at the time, I believed my Non-vote was better. It would have been a vote based on something other than facts.

And yes, I would have voted for Blade if that helps anyone's thinking process today.

And, I've been posting.. will post.. have post..

Yes, I know, hard to remove the non-vote thing as maybe part of the strategy involved but, its turning into more than it was.

[Blade6119]

Blade doesn't seem to understand using logic. He just likes to piss everybody off and vote for the person maddest at him. So I actually expect him to move his vote to me before the deadline.
Wow, you keep up the personal attacks too...

3) He votes for himself, hoping just like dubb on day one it gets him out of the lynch. people assume a wolf wouldnt do that, and decide not to lynch him....

Maybe if kwhit could pull his head out of his ass he could see were talking things through. Mustang was not even close to being the person maddest at me, he never even voted for me. I picked him due to fallacies i see in his posts. Now that he has voted for himself im more inclined to stick with him, becuase if he doesnt want to be here then lets oblige him. The only reason i suspect you is you dont like me and i was targeted night one. if you were a wolf, it makes sense. You are not the 2nd suspect on my list, nor the first. So get back in the god damn game, over yourself like im trying to do, and look at facts and help the team. I thought we all agreed to stop personal attacks on day one but i guess not.

This post does bring up a possible link between you and mustang though, as it is a form of defense for him. Interesting possibility

[Coder]

it's getting near 11 p.m. and I still don't have a definitive vote..

but really, the personal stuff is taking the focus away from the game.. could you focus on in-game stuff instead.. everyone, ninja or no-ninja, will get pissed off at personal attacks so I really don't see the purpose "riling someone up to get them to admitting they're ninjas"..

[KWhit]

I picked him due to fallacies i see in his posts.
Like the fallacies in your posts?


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Gee..

Thanks for the bad information
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I assume, there still could be two...its not clear on numbers, so i make my own assumptions...my assumption changed as i re-read it to paraphrase for you.

I don't think you're a ninja, but I also don't think you're helping us find the ninjas. I'm trying to point out that I personally don't find your accusations all that logical, but YMMV.

[Mustang]

I picked him due to fallacies i see in his posts.

Well, considering my fallacies were brought up by incorrect information from you...

And considering up above I've acknowledged these items and why my first assumptions were incorrect...

I don't think I've heard your reasons for the supreme trust in Qwik by the way.

[tanglewood]

I think the whole vote for yourself strategy is questionable at best. If you are a villager, why would you vote for the one person you are 100% sure of being clean? It smacks of semi-desperate ninja ploy. The whole non-voting thing as well wasn't very helpful. However, I am not convinced that Mustang is ninja. I don't think a ninja would 'panic' at such an early stage if spotted, or if they did hey're not a terribly good player.

Therefore, my vote is going on Lathum for now. Voted for Blade and seemed all too ready to defend himself when listed. Of course, it's understandable he would be concerned if he is clean, but he voted for a near 100% confirmed and to me seems 'ninja-iest' of those in that group.

Vote Lathum

Subject to change as events unfold.

[KWhit]

I tend to believe that Mustang is a Samarai because I don't think a ninja would skip the first vote and then tell us it was intentional.

[Coder]

Tanglewood touched upon reasons why I've considered Lathum myself. Last game my reasoning was terrible at best, so I should probably not be following my instincts, but if I don't I'll never get a vote in..

Vote Lathum

will check in one last time before I go to bed

[Coder]

dola: while I do find Mustang's actions strange, they're terribly tainted by the conflict he's got with Blade, which is really not part of the game. Therefore, the stuff you're provoking Blade, is not helping the Samurai one bit, despite the fact that I truly believe you're a Samurai after last night.

[PackerFanatic]

I am starting to side with Coder and tanglewood on this one, if Mustang really IS the samurai he is, then I won't vote for him and put my team in jeopardy.

[Blade6119]

Like the fallacies in your posts?


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Gee..

Thanks for the bad information
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I don't think you're a ninja, but I also don't think you're helping us find the ninjas. I'm trying to point out that I personally don't find your accusations all that logical, but YMMV.

My vote to him is based part on his non-vote, part on his comments(not related to my posts) and part due to my post....i dont know if i have given you fallacies or not...but i do know now that there is a link between you two that i dont find concerting considering both of you are against me and i was attacked last night,

[KWhit]

Therefore, the stuff you're provoking Blade, is not helping the Samurai one bit.
Ding ding ding!

[Blade6119]

dola: while I do find Mustang's actions strange, they're terribly tainted by the conflict he's got with Blade, which is really not part of the game. Therefore, the stuff you're provoking Blade, is not helping the Samurai one bit, despite the fact that I truly believe you're a Samurai after last night.
Quick question, what conflict do we have? I have no ill will to him, and he didnt vote for me. I just see that he got put on the block, and then voted for himself and threatened to quit...and now hes getting taken off the block... :rolleyes:

[Mustang]

Unvote Mustang

get THAT out of the way...

I can't believe Hoopsguy would give us THAT much obvious information. Given the facts we know.

King had a star in his door
Qwik was around
Blade was hurt.

I'm surprised there isn't alot more questioning of Qwik, he was in the area. It is just human nature to suspect that Qwik had something to do with it. I mean, if you came across a body and someone was there.. wouldn't you think the second person had something to do with it?

I would.. although, I have a hard time grasping that hoops would throw this much correct information at us that Blade is a Samurai, Qwik is a Ninja and King.. who knows... Too logical a conclusion. Too simple...

[Blade6119]

Ding ding ding!
How the mislead will convolute the minds of the masses...if no one is going to take me and my approach seriously ill just vote and keep to myself. It seems everyone feels that is a better approach. Or maybe i should threaten to quit over how much of an ass Kwhit is being?? It worked to take people off mustang, maybe it would work for me too :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Blade6119]

Unvote Mustang

get THAT out of the way...

I can't believe Hoopsguy would give us THAT much obvious information. Given the facts we know.

King had a star in his door
Qwik was around
Blade was hurt.

I'm surprised there isn't alot more questioning of Qwik, he was in the area. It is just human nature to suspect that Qwik had something to do with it. I mean, if you came across a body and someone was there.. wouldn't you think the second person had something to do with it?

I would.. although, I have a hard time grasping that hoops would throw this much correct information at us that Blade is a Samurai, Qwik is a Ninja and King.. who knows... Too logical a conclusion. Too simple...
Qwik is good...no ninja would save me...before i came out with any details he said things(such as agreeing to help me after i asked for it) that no one could have known unless it was true. i dont see any reason a ninja would attack me and then another would save my life...if you do, then wow

[KWhit]

My vote to him is based part on his non-vote, part on his comments(not related to my posts) and part due to my post....i dont know if i have given you fallacies or not...but i do know now that there is a link between you two that i dont find concerting considering both of you are against me and i was attacked last night,
Good God, you are going to play the "I got attacked last night" card all game aren't you? Personally, I think the attack was supposed to be on King and since you were guarding him you got the attack instead. I can't imagine the ninjas would go after you when you were a very real possibility to be voted to be killed today (since you were the #2 vote getter yesterday). It makes no sense for the ninjas to try to kill you - oh wait, except that you're a "vet" and far superior at this game than everyone else. I forgot about that.

[KWhit]

... over how much of an ass Kwhit is being ...
Maybe I'm just doing it to provoke a reaction and see how people react.

[Blade6119]

Good God, you are going to play the "I got attacked last night" card all game aren't you? Personally, I think the attack was supposed to be on King and since you were guarding him you got the attack instead. I can't imagine the ninjas would go after you when you were a very real possibility to be voted to be killed today (since you were the #2 vote getter yesterday). It makes no sense for the ninjas to try to kill you - oh wait, except that you're a "vet" and far superior at this game than everyone else. I forgot about that.
My thinking they attacked me is based off of simple facts. If a bodyguard was correct about who to guard(meaning they attacked king) why would i lose my bodyguard power? And why would i be attacked from behind??? If you can stop with the personal attacks for 2 minute maybe you could understand the simple truth. Im not playing the I was attacked card, im playing the why was i attacked card...there was a reason behind it, and thats whats going to lead you to answers....

[KWhit]

Gotta go for a while. Ya'll have fun.

[Blade6119]

Maybe I'm just doing it to provoke a reaction and see how people react.
indeed, if you are then you are getting one...it works, doesnt it? i doubt you are with how much you trashed it yesterday, but ill play along.

[Blade6119]

And if you are, maybe i should start again...anyone want that?

[Mustang]

Qwik is good...no ninja would save me...before i came out with any details he said things(such as agreeing to help me after i asked for it) that no one could have known unless it was true. i dont see any reason a ninja would attack me and then another would save my life...if you do, then wow

A ninja would save you if everyone was suddenly watching you (and him). If there WERE 2 and one made his escape and the other was left hanging back.. he has no choice but to make himself look like the good guy.

But, like I said.. seems like a little TOO much information for hoopsguy to give.

[Blade6119]

A ninja would save you if everyone was suddenly watching you (and him). If there WERE 2 and one made his escape and the other was left hanging back.. he has no choice but to make himself look like the good guy.

But, like I said.. seems like a little TOO much information for hoopsguy to give.
You guys did not walk in during the middle of qwik and i...you guys came after actions had taken place between us. he agreed to help me, whether you accept it or not...either way it looks like sides are being drawn already

[Blade6119]

time for class, be back in like an hour and a half

[Mustang]

You guys did not walk in during the middle of qwik and i...you guys came after actions had taken place between us. he agreed to help me, whether you accept it or not...either way it looks like sides are being drawn already

:confused:

Actions between you too.. such as nightly actions?

That seems like way more information than we should have out in the open.


Separate note, when are votes due? (have to step out for 30 mins or so..)

[PackerFanatic]

I'm surprised there isn't alot more questioning of Qwik, he was in the area.

I tried right away, but then Blade shot it down right away.

Something tricksy is going on.

[Mr. Wednesday]

dola, if i was the one targeted last night, i would think it would mean we have ninjas in that group that voted for me...either they wanted me dead becuase i pissed them off, or just becuase they thought i was a threat...and ninjaS..not one, unless its Mr. W. I was more picking you over Foz than taking a particular interest in dumping you. If I'd been involved earlier in the day, I probably would have at least started out with a vote on somebody else.

I'd raise an eyebrow about you drawing attention to yourself when you're the bodyguard, but then, it probably would have been suspicious if you hadn't drawn attention to yourself. :p

I'm still working through the day's activity, more thoughts to come.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Mr. W becuase he is one of the "vets" and despite what he may have said(dont remember his reasoning) he would be the first person in the entire game i would say would want me dead If we're going to harken back to past games, I'll note that several times I've been a wolf/mafioso/whatever and NOT killed you because you were a lightning rod for criticism that tended to draw a lot of attention without having much success calling out bad guys. Now, maybe that's changed of late, but my best frame of reference is the last game where you were gone after one day without a whole lot to show for it.

If you think you were the target, I assert that counts in my favor -- I generally have other people higher on my hit list. (I can't make the same claim if you're thinking of kingfc22 as the target -- he's the sort I might want to take out early on. There, you just have to rely on my good word as an honorable samurai that I am not a ninja.)

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm surprised there isn't alot more questioning of Qwik, he was in the area. It is just human nature to suspect that Qwik had something to do with it. I mean, if you came across a body and someone was there.. wouldn't you think the second person had something to do with it?Seems like Qwik had ample opportunity to finish Blade off, if indeed Qwik were one of the attackers. I don't buy it. Some sort of witness, thief, spy, light sleeper seems more likely.

[Eaglesfan27]

:confused:

Actions between you too.. such as nightly actions?

That seems like way more information than we should have out in the open.


Separate note, when are votes due? (have to step out for 30 mins or so..)

I believe Hoopsguy said they were due by 6:30 AM CST tomorrow (he also said that was unless we all agree to move it up - which I'm in favor of if everyone has voted by tonight.)

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'd rather see ca. 9 pm ET tonight. If it's in the AM tomorrow, though, I may participate a ways into the morning.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Absolute trust right now: Blade

Pretty close to absolute trust: Qwikshot

Seeming pretty trustworthy: kingfc22

No impressions on the rest of y'all yet.

[PackerFanatic]

I'm a good guy :)

[Mustang]

You guys did not walk in during the middle of qwik and i...you guys came after actions had taken place between us. he agreed to help me, whether you accept it or not...either way it looks like sides are being drawn already

I went back and read (692, 695 and 700).

The actions that took place, I'm a little confused about. Were those implied actions per Qwik's comments or just assumptions on your part based on Qwik's comments. (Hell, he could easily lie) If they were, you really wouldn't be able to tell if Qwik was your attacker because we don't know when your eyes were scrambled.

[Alan T]

Im ok with moving it up to 8pm CST/9EST or whatever. tommorrow morning is yucky for me. Means i wouldnt see the results until later in the day (probably not a big deal though, just I'll be aching all day to know what happened) :)

[path12]

I'm swamped at work right now so can't go back and check -- but can someone explain to me why we're focusing on the people who voted for Blade instead of the people for voted for Fozzie? It would seem that there has got to be a ninja or two in that list. We don't know for sure if Blade or King was attacked, but it doesn't make as much sense to me offhand to vote Blade and then attack him at night.

I think my vote is going somewhere in the Fozzie list.

[Mustang]

I think my vote is going somewhere in the Fozzie list.

I'd look for any possibilities in the middle votes...

[Coder]

FWIW, I've been thinking about what Lathum said and it actually does make sense, but not in the way he described it...

1) We're all pretty certain Blade is a samurai
2) Going back to what someone else said, Blade is a good guy to keep around if you're a ninja, because he's bound to draw some votes away from any other potential ninjas.
3) Based on #2, why would you vote for Blade on day 1 if you were a ninja? Unless of course the ninjas as splitting their votes?

I'm having second thoughts on Lathum, but it's very late... is the deadline "for sure" at 9:30 a.m. ET? That means 15:30 for me, in which case I still have time to change the vote.

[Eaglesfan27]

FWIW, I've been thinking about what Lathum said and it actually does make sense, but not in the way he described it...

1) We're all pretty certain Blade is a samurai
2) Going back to what someone else said, Blade is a good guy to keep around if you're a ninja, because he's bound to draw some votes away from any other potential ninjas.
3) Based on #2, why would you vote for Blade on day 1 if you were a ninja? Unless of course the ninjas as splitting their votes?

I'm having second thoughts on Lathum, but it's very late... is the deadline "for sure" at 9:30 a.m. ET? That means 15:30 for me, in which case I still have time to change the vote.

Actually, IF it doesn't change, then the deadline is 7:30 AM EST since it is 6:30 AM Central Standard Time.

[Coder]

Actually, IF it doesn't change, then the deadline is 7:30 AM EST since it is 6:30 AM Central Standard Time.

Thanks, that still means 13:30.. which gives me some time after both a morning meeting and lunch to see..

[Blade6119]

I went back and read (692, 695 and 700).

The actions that took place, I'm a little confused about. Were those implied actions per Qwik's comments or just assumptions on your part based on Qwik's comments. (Hell, he could easily lie) If they were, you really wouldn't be able to tell if Qwik was your attacker because we don't know when your eyes were scrambled.
I called out for help to the unknown person, and he agreed to grant me assistance...that occured before you guys came out(and note in hoops night post he says qwik is in a non-threatening mannor)...

[Eaglesfan27]

Actually, he said Qwik is currently in a non-threatening manner. However, I'm on your side on this one. I think Qwik is probably a good guy.

[Eaglesfan27]

Dola (or maybe not)

He said "at this time." I paraphrased slightly.

[Lathum]

I'm confused about the deadline. What time is it Eastern?

[Blade6119]

2) Going back to what someone else said, Blade is a good guy to keep around if you're a ninja, because he's bound to draw some votes away from any other potential ninjas.
In all honesty its been the exact opposite for a few games now...ive been targeted early by the wolves in the past few games(aside from the one where they kept killing the quiet villagers and got their asses kicked)...just noting, while i have taken a different approach this game so far, i usually am considered more of a threat then a friend(i used to be their best friend, but recently i have been considered a threat). Dubb is now gone, so he cant confirm it, but he had me killed night one last game...just saying, i went through almost the last 3 games(not this one) drawing about 4-5 votes total...

[Eaglesfan27]

I'm confused about the deadline. What time is it Eastern?

7:30 AM tomorrow morning, unless we all agree to move it up.

Personally, I'd like to move it up, but if we don't do so, I'm sure I'll find a break at work to see what happened.

[Blade6119]

And also, hoops made it clear that qwik was a seperate third party from my attacker...dont know if i noted that, but qwik was not the one that attacked me, hoops made that quite clear

[Mustang]

And also, hoops made it clear that qwik was a seperate third party from my attacker...dont know if i noted that, but qwik was not the one that attacked me, hoops made that quite clear

Where? post # please because I don't see a single message post where hoops says Qwik didn't attack you.

[Blade6119]

I'm swamped at work right now so can't go back and check -- but can someone explain to me why we're focusing on the people who voted for Blade instead of the people for voted for Fozzie? It would seem that there has got to be a ninja or two in that list. We don't know for sure if Blade or King was attacked, but it doesn't make as much sense to me offhand to vote Blade and then attack him at night.

I think my vote is going somewhere in the Fozzie list.
One idea...first of all, if they attacked king, they certainly didnt expect any heat to come on them for voting for me. If king had shown up dead they would even be looked at(the star in kings door was not one i threw). if they attacked me, id presume they had no idea i would survive it. And if i had died, they would say people were merely trying to frame them or pass it off as killing the annoying guy...i see both sides, but i can see reasons to kill both king or i and still vote for me

[Blade6119]

Where? post # please.
Im not sure i have posted that before...i can try to better paraphrase the exaxt part of the PM its from if you would like...its right at the end of my PM

[Mustang]

Im not sure i have posted that before...i can try to better paraphrase the exaxt part of the PM its from if you would like...its right at the end of my PM

Well, if it was a private PM from Hoops then, that is different. You keep saying he didn't attack me.. hoops said so, well.. I don't see that anywhere in the active thread base.

[Blade6119]

I fell to the ground, my wounds were too serious to mount a defense at this point. I could can hear footsteps running away as another man emerges.

"Help ... me" I slowly uttered to this 3rd party. I dont know if he is friend or foe.

That is the best paraphrase i can do...its quite close an exact copy of the part im referring to with a few words changed to I and what not...if hoops doesnt like it i can delete it

[Blade6119]

I saw Blade battered and bloodied, I made a decision not to pursue the shadow fleeing and decided to stay with Blade as he requested help.
This is post 700, about 20-30 posts before i make a single comment about the night...thats how i know

[Lathum]

I think the whole vote for yourself strategy is questionable at best. If you are a villager, why would you vote for the one person you are 100% sure of being clean? It smacks of semi-desperate ninja ploy. The whole non-voting thing as well wasn't very helpful. However, I am not convinced that Mustang is ninja. I don't think a ninja would 'panic' at such an early stage if spotted, or if they did hey're not a terribly good player.

Therefore, my vote is going on Lathum for now. Voted for Blade and seemed all too ready to defend himself when listed. Of course, it's understandable he would be concerned if he is clean, but he voted for a near 100% confirmed and to me seems 'ninja-iest' of those in that group.
Vote Lathum

Subject to change as events unfold.

Nothing you are saying makes sense.

I voted for Blade on day one and we all know day one votes are a crapshoot and the only reason I voted for him were because he was being so annoying and I wanted to enjoy the game and not deal with his nonsense. He has since toned it down and we are back in the grove.

Of course I will defend myself, what are my other options.

Vote for myself?

Quit the game maybe?

I voted for blade on day 1 !! HOW DID I VOTE FOR A 100% CONFIRMED WHEN ON DAY ONE NO ONE IS CONFIRMED !!!!!

For now I have to stick with my vote for mustang for self preservation. But I am now very suspicious of tanglewood. It seems he is trying hard to draw attention to me with BS statements.

If there is a seer I think he should view tanglewood tonight.

[Blade6119]

Of course I will defend myself, what are my other options.

Vote for myself?

Quit the game maybe?
if you ask mustang its the way to go...and so far people seem to be buying it :rolleyes:

[Blade6119]

And with that im off for another class

[Mustang]

if you ask mustang its the way to go...and so far people seem to be buying it :rolleyes:

You think I'm a ninja.. fine.. stick with it.

I said why I did what I did.. everyone wants to hop on my bandwagon not a damn thing I can do about it.. seemed to be a nice little group of people that voted for me fairly quickly. So.. why prolong the agony. Get the game moving.. what, you need to wait 24 hours to lynch me?

I love your reasons for initially picking me though. I question you and YOU get defensive saying I do a 180.. good logic.

[path12]

Going back to my suspicions about who voted for Foz, here is the list:
Alan T, Blade, Dubb, Tanglewood, Saldana, PackerFanatic, King, Qwik.

Of those, I now trust Blade the most. I'm leaning good on Dubb/Gram, King and Qwik.

That leaves Alan, Tanglewood, Saldana and PackerFanatic. So, on to the posts to find the reasoning.

Alan (post 137) -- Not pleased with Foz's suggestion to go for experience early.
Tanglewood (post 324) -- Same as Alan.
Saldana (post 405) -- Didn't like what Foz had to say or how he said it.
Packer (post 460) -- going with the majority.

I'll note that the first three all basically had the same reason, which is either because they really felt that way or that they came up with the cover story. Personally, I don't remember Foz being so much advocating killing all the experienced people as much as I felt he was just spouting off to get under Blade/Dubb's skin.

But, at least they stated a reason. PackerFanatic just hopping on the bandwagon I believe deserves further explanation.

For now,

VOTE PACKERFANATIC

[path12]

Dola, I am also not pleased with Mustang's non-vote, but I think this is a more promising avenue for now. After all, last game we got sidetracked very easily on what turned out to be innocent late moves by myself and Mr W......

[kingfc22]

Just got home and I am catching up. I'll post some thoughts in a bit.

[Eaglesfan27]

Today's Tally (so far)

Mustang - Grammaticus (718), Blade6119 (748), Eaglesfan27 (754), Lathum (762)


TazFTW - AlanT (747),


Lathum - Tanglewood (798), Coder (800)


PackerFanatic - Path12 (851)


Mustang voted for himself at 751, but then removed it at 806. He hasn't voted for anyone else yet.




Besides Mustang, there are still 10 players who haven't voted yet. No one else has retracted a vote today, yet.

[Mustang]

My obvious vote would be for Lathum out of self preservation but, Lathum hasn't said or done anything to suggest he is a Ninja (Ok.. 2nd obvious choice)

[saldana]

1st - qwikshot-san, honorable Kurosawa humbry apologize for comments if caused offense. not enough evidence at time to make concrusion, and arso wanted to see you reaction. I now bery sure you not Ninja. prease accept Kurosawa aporogy.

2nd - Kurosawa not sure on Mustang. I do not rike at all the pran of not voting, that does not herp as Samurai in any sense, but this does not make him Ninja to Kurosawa.

Kurowsawa much more suspicious of the Forrowing people:
Taz - his vote was praced in the perfect spot for a ninja yesterday, and had no expranation, and his vote today is in the perfect place to take attention away from Mustang, so should mustang be a ninja, Kurosawa is thinking that Taz is too, and might be anyway.
AlanT - he has twice accused people of making "throw on" votes, the second time coming after 2 people incruding Kurosawa asked him what he meant by that, and he said he misstated his thoughts. He then posted armost the same thing again. To Kurosawa, this rook rike someone who is trying to make sure there are as many suspects as possible, not counting himself. Arso, his circles of trust dont rearry make arot of sense to Kurosawa. AlanT is currentry my #1 Suspect.

vote alant

[TazFTW]

So who threw the throwing star?


Qwikshot said all he did was be outside and helped Blade when he noticed the flash.

Blade's description of the attack doesn't mention a throwing star either from him or his attacker.

[Blade6119]

So who threw the throwing star?


Qwikshot said all he did was be outside and helped Blade when he noticed the flash.

Blade's description of the attack doesn't mention a throwing star either from him or his attacker.
My Pm had no talk ok the throwing star, which means it either qwik or my attack released it. And if later, it would be becuase they targeted king? But if they targeted king, why was i stripped of my skills?

[kingfc22]

Ok I caught up. I'm really glad that Blade was able to still be able to post. That would have sucked to not know what happened last night and I'm sure Qwik is glad as well. I know I would have easily voted for Qwik today if it wasn't for Blade's information.

As for who to vote for, I just don't think Mustang is a ninja. When a player votes for himself (a move that I despise BTW) this early, then it is usually an indication that that player is on the side of good.

I could see why the ninja's would want to attack me or Blade. I'm not sure if I was the target and Blade got in the way or if Blade was the target all along. Either way, I think Lathum is more likely a ninja since going after Blade is generally a good move early in the game since he is a solid player and I my analytical skills usually come into play late in the game. His vote yesterday made it Foz 4 and Blade 3 with a bunch of votes outstanding.

So for now:

VOTE LATHUM

[Blade6119]

Ok I caught up. I'm really glad that Blade was able to still be able to post. That would have sucked to not know what happened last night and I'm sure Qwik is glad as well. I know I would have easily voted for Qwik today if it wasn't for Blade's information.

As for who to vote for, I just don't think Mustang is a ninja. When a player votes for himself (a move that I despise BTW) this early, then it is usually an indication that that player is on the side of good.

I could see why the ninja's would want to attack me or Blade. I'm not sure if I was the target and Blade got in the way or if Blade was the target all along. Either way, I think Lathum is more likely a ninja since going after Blade is generally a good move early in the game since he is a solid player and I my analytical skills usually come into play late in the game. His vote yesterday made it Foz 4 and Blade 3 with a bunch of votes outstanding.

So for now:

VOTE LATHUM
i agree with most of the stuff you said, and this post doesnt relate to any of it. i just wanted to say that if they were targeting you, you owe me big time. Im blind now damnit! :D ;)

[Poli]

Blade, how many fingers am I holding up? :)

[Poli]

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[Blade6119]

Blade, how many fingers am I holding up? :)
I cant wait until next game when you host....oh boy :mad: ;)

[Poli]

I cant wait until next game when you host....oh boy :mad: ;)lol

[RPI-Fan]

I hate bad attitudes, but I don't want to dump a samurai here. So while I'd like to vote Mustang, I'll avoid it for today, and instead take a flyer to

VOTE PATH12

[Blade6119]

Hmmmmmm...where has taz been today?
EDIT: Outside of the one comment

[Lathum]

I can't belive people are putting so much stock in a random day one vote. If I get roundhoused I hope you all look at tanglewood who started this and has since been strangely quiet or Alan T who is throwing everyone's name aound.

[Blade6119]

I can't belive people are putting so much stock in a random day one vote. If I get roundhoused I hope you all look at tanglewood who started this and has since been strangely quiet or Alan T who is throwing everyone's name aound.
Lathum, i think the general consensus is your on the block for the comment about people who voted for blade(or me) being clear more then the actual vote

[Lathum]

dola-

I also think if I am whacked look at the people who didn't vote for either myself of mustang. That would be a standard ninja ploy to avoid the impression they were "piling on"

[Lathum]

Lathum, i think the general consensus is your on the block for the comment about people who voted for blade(or me) being clear more then the actual vote
maybe.

but answer this question. Do you or don't you agree that it would be a clever play for the ninja's to go for you so that it looks like someone who voted for you was set up?

Of the five people who voted for you I was the only one bold enough to point that out. Why would I draw that kind of attention to myself if I was a ninja?

[Blade6119]

Interesting that king and qwik both voted for packerfanatic...and supposedly king as targeted at night...interesting indeed

[Blade6119]

maybe.

but answer this question. Do you or don't you agree that it would be a clever play for the ninja's to go for you so that it looks like someone who voted for you was set up?

Of the five people who voted for you I was the only one bold enough to point that out. Why would I draw that kind of attention to myself if I was a ninja?
Right now the throwing star in kings door makes me think king was the target(i know, ive swapped on that too)...if so it wouldnt matter who voted for me or what not as if i hadnt protected him you guys never would have been looked at

[Lathum]

The whole thing seems a little odd if you ask me.

What are the odds that of the 19 players Blade chooses to protect king. Then of the 16 or so samuri ( I'm operating under the assumption there are 4 ninja's ) the ninja's choose king to attack, seems like a long shot.

I'm only pointing this out so that you guys may have some rocks to look under if I am whacked.

[Blade6119]

anyone got a vote count? id like to know where we are at

[Blade6119]

The whole thing seems a little odd if you ask me.

What are the odds that of the 19 players Blade chooses to protect king. Then of the 16 or so samuri ( I'm operating under the assumption there are 4 ninja's ) the ninja's choose king to attack, seems like a long shot.

I'm only pointing this out so that you guys may have some rocks to look under if I am whacked.
The odds are very rare every night for the bodyguard...but i figured they werent attacking packerfanatic on night one, so i analysed everyone in the game for potential value of a night kill in reagrds to the opinions others hold of players. King was the highest value in my mind. Its luck, but not luck.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Aside from really obvious early stuff (like the folks on my trust list from earlier), I never have much of a read on anybody at this point in the game. There's lots of people who have done seemingly stupid stuff, yet that sort of thing is often innocent; and a number of others who have tried to be helpful and insightful, which is usually terrific but sometimes a cover. I dislike the whole Mustang drama queen act for the same reasons as EaglesFan, but I don't feel compelled to deal with it. So I'll turn to the only person I've seen with much of a shred of suspicious action.

Vote Tanglewood

[RPI-Fan]

The whole thing seems a little odd if you ask me.

What are the odds that of the 19 players Blade chooses to protect king. Then of the 16 or so samuri ( I'm operating under the assumption there are 4 ninja's ) the ninja's choose king to attack, seems like a long shot.

I'm only pointing this out so that you guys may have some rocks to look under if I am whacked.

Just want to point off that this math is off.

You can only consider the probability of one event. The odds are actually BETTER than 1/19 that Blade protects the right person, and you don't multiply together the odds. I don't feel like giving a seminar right now, so please take my word for it -- odds aren't as long you're making them out to be. :)

[Blade6119]

Just want to point off that this math is off.

You can only consider the probability of one event. The odds are actually BETTER than 1/19 that Blade protects the right person, and you don't multiply together the odds. I don't feel like giving a seminar right now, so please take my word for it -- odds aren't as long you're making them out to be. :)
I actually thought it was 1/19 too :(

[kingfc22]

On a side note, I would love to see all day phases end during the PM hours. I know hoops wants the day phase to be 24 full hours, but it is usually pretty easy for most to get a good conversation in before 10 or 11 PM EST. Just my .02

[Blade6119]

On a side note, I would love to see all day phases end during the PM hours. I know hoops wants the day phase to be 24 full hours, but it is usually pretty easy for most to get a good conversation in before 10 or 11 PM EST. Just my .02
I think today is already winding down, we just need more votes...the actual discussion portion seems to have died down

[Qwikshot]

Of course my effin wireless would lose my post.

Good:Blade, King, Qwik
Trouble: Packers, Tangle, RPI, Saldana

Unvote Packs I honestly don't recall voting for him this round
Vote Tangle

[Lathum]

Just want to point off that this math is off.

You can only consider the probability of one event. The odds are actually BETTER than 1/19 that Blade protects the right person, and you don't multiply together the odds. I don't feel like giving a seminar right now, so please take my word for it -- odds aren't as long you're making them out to be. :)
how are the odds better?

there are 20 players, not counting blade that's 19, of those 19 he can protect one, hence 1/19.

I know I'm not rainman but am missing something?

[Blade6119]

Of course my effin wireless would lose my post.

Good:Blade, King, Qwik
Trouble: Packers, Tangle, RPI, Saldana

Unvote Packs I honestly don't recall voting for him this round
Vote Tangle
In all honesty whats the push for tangle...havent seen any reasons other then he pushed lathum

[Lathum]

On a side note, I would love to see all day phases end during the PM hours. I know hoops wants the day phase to be 24 full hours, but it is usually pretty easy for most to get a good conversation in before 10 or 11 PM EST. Just my .02
I agree 100%.

[Blade6119]

how are the odds better?

there are 20 players, not counting blade that's 19, of those 19 he can protect one, hence 1/19.

I know I'm not rainman but am missing something?
I saw it as 1/19 including me...fozzie was dead, and i could protect myself but decided not to

[RPI-Fan]

I actually thought it was 1/19 too :(

Lathum was implying it was (1/19)*(1/16) chance of you protecting the right person. The correct odds are, most likely, slightly greater than 1/19.

[Mustang]

Personally, I feel compelled to vote for someone that suspects me, dislikes me or whatever.

Perfect opportunity to have me off the game but, for some reason.. people don't take it.

So...

Vote RPI-Fan

[Blade6119]

Personally, I feel compelled to vote for someone that suspects me, dislikes me or whatever.

Perfect opportunity to have me off the game but, for some reason.. people don't take it.

So...

Vote RPI-Fan
What a god awful reason to vote for someone...wow....

[Mustang]

What a god awful reason to vote for someone...wow....

You like that?

[Blade6119]

MUSTANG, i have absolutely no problem with you...i dont like voting for someone just because they voted for you. As for my vote today im very close to changing it, as i think your actuallly prob. good, but you dont seem right now like you are going to try and help the rest of the game. Let me reiterate though, i dont have a problem with anyone, didnt with fozzie wont with anyone else. I merely am vocal about my negative thoughts and rarely my positive statements.

I WILL ASK THAT YOU DO NOT PM ME AGAIN DURING THE GAME

I hope that answers your question

[Mustang]

So, I don't vote yesterday its not a good enough reason

I vote today its not a good enough reason.

Just whatever... that's ridiculous

[Blade6119]

So, I don't vote yesterday its not a good enough reason

I vote today its not a good enough reason.

Just whatever... that's ridiculous
LOL, i merely want you to vote of what evidence there is and your feelings...i dont want you to vote off spite, or not vote...everyone else is voting off of logic, i dont see you doing it. Its not ridiculous to ask you try

[Mustang]

MUSTANG, i have absolutely no problem with you...i dont like voting for someone just because they voted for you.


My vote. Tough

[Blade6119]

My vote. Tough
And i voted for you...so dont PM me asking if i hate you or something...its my vote, tough

[Mustang]

LOL, i merely want you to vote of what evidence there is and your feelings...i dont want you to vote off spite, or not vote...everyone else is voting off of logic, i dont see you doing it. Its not ridiculous to ask you try

I didn't vote yesterday and look where it got me.

[Blade6119]

I didn't vote yesterday and look where it got me.
Exactly...so dont not vote, dont vote off spite....vote of facts and logic...

[kingfc22]

I didn't vote yesterday and look where it got me.Are we done yet? http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/rolleyes.gifhttp://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/rolleyes.gifhttp://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif


Back to the game please.

[Blade6119]

Are we done yet? http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/rolleyes.gifhttp://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/rolleyes.gifhttp://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif


Back to the game please.
lol, thank you...ok, so does anyone have that vote count? Im interested in moving my vote but want to make sure im not tying up lathum just yet

[Lathum]

I think the whole vote for yourself strategy is questionable at best. If you are a villager, why would you vote for the one person you are 100% sure of being clean? It smacks of semi-desperate ninja ploy. The whole non-voting thing as well wasn't very helpful. However, I am not convinced that Mustang is ninja. I don't think a ninja would 'panic' at such an early stage if spotted, or if they did hey're not a terribly good player.

Therefore, my vote is going on Lathum for now. Voted for Blade and seemed all too ready to defend himself when listed. Of course, it's understandable he would be concerned if he is clean, but he voted for a near 100% confirmed and to me seems 'ninja-iest' of those in that group.

Vote Lathum

Subject to change as events unfold.

ok, this may end up getting me killed but I have to go with my gut here.

Unvote Mustang

Vote Tanglewood

My reason is this, Tanglewood made this accusation, 2 posts later Coder jumps onboard and tanglewood hasn't said one word since. It seems he got the ball rolling and coder picked it up and ran with it. Tanglewood hasn't said a word since.

He also claime I voted for Blade who is a "near 100%" on day one, but when I voted on day one nobody knew blade was the bodyguard at that point. It seems to me he is trying to cast suspicion on me so I have to vote for him.

Mustang, if you are smart ( and I know you are ) you should do the same. As should everyone else.

If you vote for me you are killing an innocent samuri.

[Lathum]

dola-

I think the early morning deadline actually takes away from some of the last miny strategy of the game. Just my .02

[Blade6119]

dola-

I think the early morning deadline actually takes away from some of the last miny strategy of the game. Just my .02
I think morning deadlines = horrible...especially for us west coasters who arent going to wake up at 4-5 AM to make the deadline

[Mustang]

Ok, you want to know my logic for voting for someone that has a stated issue with me. Why not get me out of the game for any other reason that to just keep me around knowing that me and you are going to just keep sniping at each other and draw half the discussion away from the game while they merrily go along and pick off Samurai...

That is my reason for picking RPI-Fan...

[kingfc22]

I think morning deadlines = horrible...especially for us west coasters who arent going to wake up at 4-5 AM to make the deadlineAgreed.

[Mustang]

If you vote for me you are killing an innocent samuri.

I have no reason to vote for you at this time.

Just as the same as I have no reason to vote for Blade.

[saldana]

Of course my effin wireless would lose my post.

Good:Blade, King, Qwik
Trouble: Packers, Tangle, RPI, Saldana

Unvote Packs I honestly don't recall voting for him this round
Vote Tangle

Qwikshot-san, honorable Samurai Kurosawa request to know why exactry I am in your "trouble" category? I make earry observation that was obviousry not correct, but was intended to, and did serve purpose of making you give Samurai more information, which was then confirmed by Blade-san. This tactic was honorable and in best interests of all Samurai.

Arso, honorable Kurosawa give Qwikshot-san humbrest aporogy for questioning his honor. You insurt Kurosawa by not accepting aporogy. Bushido demands you accept aporogy!

[Blade6119]

Ok, you want to know my logic for voting for someone that has a stated issue with me. Why not get me out of the game for any other reason that to just keep me around knowing that me and you are going to just keep sniping at each other and draw half the discussion away from the game while they merrily go along and pick off Samurai...

That is my reason for picking RPI-Fan...
I honestly wouldnt be fighting with you...i dont hold grudges all that much to be honest...kwhit is still on my nerves since he continued attacking me, you never even got on my nerves...people just blow things out of proportion usually. If you want to leave we can try to oblige you, but dont try to use me as your scapegoat

[Blade6119]

Qwikshot-san, honorable Samurai Kurosawa request to know why exactry I am in your "trouble" category? I make earry observation that was obviousry not correct, but was intended to, and did serve purpose of making you give Samurai more information, which was then confirmed by Blade-san. This tactic was honorable and in best interests of all Samurai.

Arso, honorable Kurosawa give Qwikshot-san humbrest aporogy for questioning his honor. You insurt Kurosawa by not accepting aporogy. Bushido demands you accept aporogy!
Saldana, my good friend...ive got to give you credit...your the only one playing in character...bravo buddy

[saldana]

If you vote for me you are killing an innocent samuri.

Kurosawa think Lathum must be Ninja, as no honorable Samurai would spell Samurai incorrectry. :D

[kingfc22]

Am I correct in saying that Taz, KWhit, Packerfanatic Desnudo and Schmidty are the only ones left without a vote cast?

[Blade6119]

Am I correct in saying that Taz, KWhit, Packerfanatic Desnudo and Schmidty are the only ones left without a vote cast?
I thought desnudo voted...might be wrong though...kwhit and taz have both been in today, packer and schmidty i dont know

[Mustang]

I thought desnudo voted...might be wrong though...kwhit and taz have both been in today, packer and schmidty i dont know

I don't remember any of those guys voting. KWhit said he would be back later. I haven't seen Schmidty...

[Desnudo]

Qwikshot-san, honorable Samurai Kurosawa request to know why exactry I am in your "trouble" category? I make earry observation that was obviousry not correct, but was intended to, and did serve purpose of making you give Samurai more information, which was then confirmed by Blade-san. This tactic was honorable and in best interests of all Samurai.

Arso, honorable Kurosawa give Qwikshot-san humbrest aporogy for questioning his honor. You insurt Kurosawa by not accepting aporogy. Bushido demands you accept aporogy!

Saldana, I know you don't mean it to be offensive, but "talking" this way is generally considered to be racist. Along the lines of the Al Jolsin blackface routine. I'm not trying to be the PC police, but I did feel a need to point it out.

[Desnudo]

I haven't voted yet.

[Desnudo]

Dola - mean the R thing, not the samurai RP.

[Blade6119]

I haven't voted yet.
GET TO IT MISTA!

[Mustang]

GET TO IT MISTA!

Takes awhile to get through 10 pages.... what is that.. 500 posts?

Desnudo.. I'll recap

Blade eye gouge
Qwikshot the hero
*thunk*
Kingfcc - WTF was that on my door?
<Mustang didn't vote>
Mustang: F it.. kill me
Blade : 180.. Mustang
Few more mustang votes
Tanglewood - Vote Lathum
Lathum - Huh?
few tanglewood votes
few random votes
few mustang-blade discussions
Saldana as Mr. Miyaga

And.. here we are...

[PackerFanatic]

I am here, I was on when I was at work then had class til 7.30pm CST (it is 8.30pm CST now).

Path, to answer your question about my majority vote last night, I was trying to catch up with all the BS in the first dozen pages and I really couldn't follow what was going on. I wanted to make some sort of vote to show that I was actually involved in the game from the start and I just went with who everyone else was voting for. Obivously, in hindsight, it was a bad choice because I helped get rid of one of my own (although it probably wouldn't have mattered had I not voted)

For that reason, I am not voting for anyone tonight. I do not have a clear cut person in my mind that could be a ninja and I don't want to just jump on the majority again (which at this point, I am not even quite sure who that might be)

[PackerFanatic]

lol, great recap Mustang.

[saldana]

Saldana, I know you don't mean it to be offensive, but "talking" this way is generally considered to be racist. Along the lines of the Al Jolsin blackface routine. I'm not trying to be the PC police, but I did feel a need to point it out.
if you are honestly offended by it, i will of course stop, i am not a racist in the least bit, simply trying to add a bit of fun to what has to this point been a rather un-fun game of WW. personally i dont see it as any different than what south park does on a regular basis with "Shitty Wok" or Saturday Night Live did for years with "Coffee Talk" and no one seemed to have a problem with it (or if they did, it never stopped them), but as i said, if it bothers you, my apologies

[kingfc22]

if you are honestly offended by it, i will of course stop, i am not a racist in the least bit, simply trying to add a bit of fun to what has to this point been a rather un-fun game of WW. personally i dont see it as any different than what south park does on a regular basis with "Shitty Wok" or Saturday Night Live did for years with "Coffee Talk" and no one seemed to have a problem with it (or if they did, it never stopped them), but as i said, if it bothers you, my apologiesI'll admit that I thought it was pretty funny. And no I'm not a racist.

[Desnudo]

Well I think the target was definitely King. It makes sense based on the scenario provided. So the argument that it's a Blade voter frame-up doesn't hold water to me. I have a pretty good idea of what Qwikshot's role is, so...

What's great is they both voted in totally different directions today. My gut says vote Lathum, so I'll go with my gut and throw my hat in with King.

Vote Lathum

[Blade6119]

count me a fan, and not a racist

[saldana]

current votes

Mustang - 3 - gram, blade, eagles
lathum - 4 - tanglewood, coder, king, desnudo
Tanglewood - 3 - mr w, qwik, lathum
taz - 1 - Alan
Packer - 1 - path
Alant - 1 - saldana the racist ;)
path - 1 - rpi
rpi - 1 - mustang

(edit only to add the desnudo vote above)

[PackerFanatic]

Count my obstention (sp?) as well...

[Desnudo]

if you are honestly offended by it, i will of course stop, i am not a racist in the least bit, simply trying to add a bit of fun to what has to this point been a rather un-fun game of WW. personally i dont see it as any different than what south park does on a regular basis with "Shitty Wok" or Saturday Night Live did for years with "Coffee Talk" and no one seemed to have a problem with it (or if they did, it never stopped them), but as i said, if it bothers you, my apologies

I don't want you to think that I'm super fired up over it. Just something I noticed. If it doesn't bother anyone else, then I'm not going to mention it again.

[Blade6119]

You know whats funny....not one person congratulated me on protecting king....i feel sooooooooooo unloved

[Mustang]

I'll admit that I thought it was pretty funny. And no I'm not a racist.

I was trying to do the same in the beginning of the game.. (I'm supposed to have a southern drawl) I found it extremely difficult to carry on a discussion in that manner..

[PackerFanatic]

...you did get your eyes destroyed in the process too...

Well done I guess?

[saldana]

I don't want you to think that I'm super fired up over it. Just something I noticed. If it doesn't bother anyone else, then I'm not going to mention it again.

i think we should fight about it for the next 200 posts.....come on, lets go! :D

[PackerFanatic]

And to voice my opinion about deadlines and such, I wouldn't mind seeing the end of the day come at around this time either.

[kingfc22]

You know whats funny....not one person congratulated me on protecting king....i feel sooooooooooo unlovedTHANK YOU! THANK YOU! Oh mighty samurai. I shall always be indebted (sp?) to you for saving me.

[PackerFanatic]

i think we should fight about it for the next 200 posts.....come on, lets go! :D

Out of all the posts in this thread, probably about 200 are in-game :(

[Mustang]

You know whats funny....not one person congratulated me on protecting king....i feel sooooooooooo unloved

If that is 100%.. I'd like to know what the eye gouge had to do with it.. Guess it meant it was a one time shot.

I don't remember Kevin Costner's eyes blowing out at the end of the Bodyguard.....

[Desnudo]

i think we should fight about it for the next 200 posts.....come on, lets go! :D

I don't think I'm rested enough to handle another 200 posts like the last 200. :)

[Blade6119]

THANK YOU! THANK YOU! Oh mighty samurai. I shall always be indebted (sp?) to you for saving me.
God damn right...im blind!!!! You at least need to help me walk to and from the lynch or else you will all be watching and ill be attacking like the well or something yelling ninja

[Eaglesfan27]

Blade,

I think we would have given you more accolades if you killed a ninja.

However, you did foil an attack. Good job.

[Blade6119]

If that is 100%.. I'd like to know what the eye gouge had to do with it.. Guess it meant it was a one time shot.

I don't remember Kevin Costner's eyes blowing out at the end of the Bodyguard.....
My bodyguard role was unique from last ones. Hoops said it had to do with other roles still active so he couldnt tell me, but id imagine my role merely was used until i saved someone, or they have a wolf role that counters bodyguard

[Desnudo]

Lol, just saw your vote total Saldana.

[saldana]

honorable Kurosawa would like to point something out to all other Samurai...while counting the votes, I noticed that Lathum-san changed his vote to Tanglewood-san, and in doing so, created a tie between himself, Mustang-san, and Tanglewood-san.

Kurosawa thinks there is some significance to this, since we have no idea what the tie-breaking criteria for this game are. I dont see that move as something a Ninja would do this early in the game, especially now that he is in the vote lead.

of course if Lathum-san ends up being a Ninja, I have just defended him, and will most likely be committing seppuku very soon after his death from the dishonor I have brought to my ancestors.

[Blade6119]

Blade,

I think we would have given you more accolades if you killed a ninja.

However, you did foil an attack. Good job.
I dont think its possible for a bodyguard to kill a ninja, but thank you...thats the only honest accolade ive gotten. I HEART EAGLES

[Lathum]

I'd like to contribute something in game.

I'm not really sure why there is any suspicion in me but if I am lynched you all need to look closley at a couple of things.

look to the people who voted for me (obvious)

look at tanglewood

look at the way the votes went once tanglewood got a few votes.


Again, I encourage anyone who is voting for me to strongly consider their reasons why, if you lose me you lose a valuable allie.

[Desnudo]

But not a very valuable speller.

[kingfc22]

Ok, I'm off for a little bit. I hope Hoops comes by and changes the deadline a little.

[PackerFanatic]

Same here...

[Mustang]

honorable Kurosawa would like to point something out to all other Samurai...while counting the votes, I noticed that Lathum-san changed his vote to Tanglewood-san, and in doing so, created a tie between himself, Mustang-san, and Tanglewood-san.


Well, I could change my vote to Lathum or Tanglewood to break the tie. At this time, I do not believe Lathum is a Ninja. Maybe Tanglewood since he throw out the vote and then hasn't been seen.

I still think there is some validity in myself and Lathums claims that while it looked like myself or he would be killed, the Ninja's spread their votes around as to not pile on.

If me, Lathum or Tanglewood are killed and revealed as Samurai.. I would not look solely on who voted solely for that person.. could be spread around.. they might care less who out of the 3 is killed.

[Desnudo]

I'd be all for moving the day deadline to sometime tonight. That morning deadline is impossible for the West Coast, it's hard enough on the East Coast. Coder would have the thread all to himself.

[KWhit]

Hmmm.... What to do?

So far, nobody seems very suspicious to me. Or most everyone seems equally suspicious if you want to look at it that way - with the exception of 3-4 guys or so that I feel pretty confident about.

Looking over things again. I'll make my vote here in a couple of minutes.

[saldana]

You know whats funny....not one person congratulated me on protecting king....i feel sooooooooooo unloved

actually honorable Blade-san, your actions last night brought your family great honor, however, you disgrace them now by continuing to walk the earth with your greivous wounds. a Samurai who suffers such wounds in battle should request permission to commit seppuku rather than be a burden upon his Damyio, Chuck Norris :D

[Poli]

I would think Blade will be a better samurai now that he has to rely on his other senses for survival.

[Blade6119]

actually honorable Blade-san, your actions last night brought your family great honor, however, you disgrace them now by continuing to walk the earth with your greivous wounds. a Samurai who suffers such wounds in battle should request permission to commit seppuku rather than be a burden upon his Damyio, Chuck Norris :D
I think chuck wants to keep me around for humor...plays little tricks on me. "hey blade, the meeting is 200 steps that way" *points to cliff 199 steps away*

"NINJA!!! GET EM BLADE!!!!!" *watch ensuing hilarity of me swing sword aimlessly

[Blade6119]

I would think Blade will be a better samurai now that he has to rely on his other senses for survival.
And to think i just did you a favor...its on like donkey kong polston!!!!

[Lathum]

I'd be all for moving the day deadline to sometime tonight. That morning deadline is impossible for the West Coast, it's hard enough on the East Coast. Coder would have the thread all to himself.
I agree but it may not be fair to whoever hasn't voted yet.

Anyone have that list, can we PM them maybe

[saldana]

packerfanatic-san, honorable Kurosawa must point out to you that your abstention does nothing to help the cause of the Samurai. you are making it easier for the Ninja to kill an innocent with their fewer number of votes, and you are also making it harder for the rest of us Samurai to trust you. Kurosawa suggests you reconsider your decision not to vote and advise that you simply choose someone whose posts or actions have just not seemed logical.

[Desnudo]

Yes, I was thinking more for future votes. Although hopefully everyone will be in by later tonight.

[Blade6119]

If all else fails you can vote for me...then i can whine, vote to myself, and then threaten to quit ;)

[Blade6119]

dola, that was not at mustang...dubb did the same thing

[Poli]

And to think i just did you a favor...its on like donkey kong polston!!!!:)

[KWhit]

It looks like it's down to Tanglewood, Lathum, or Mustang. Voting for anyone else would be taking the easy way out and throwing my vote away.

Mustang - I don't think a ninja would be so obvious as to intentionally skip the first vote, so I have a slight feeling that he is okay.

Lathum - His pleas have sounded earnest, but that doesn't really mean anything in this game. He has been pretty quiet which always makes me uneasy, but I haven't found anything of substance to really pin on him. Voted after me for Blade yesterday which was pretty early (probably too early to be considered a bandwagon vote, but you never know).

Tanglewood - Has kind of flown under the radar so far. Voted for Sirfozzie yesterday in the middle of the pack - not too early, not too late. Then his reasoning for voting Lathum was kind of out of left field. May mean nothing, but it's the best I got.

VOTE TANGLEWOOD

[Blade6119]

UNVOTE MUSTANG
VOTE LATHUM

[KWhit]

Interesting. Care to comment on that?

[Blade6119]

Im more inclined to believe lathum would attack king then tangle, i feel tangle(who started the whole vote for lathum) got rail roaded back against(kina funny how that happened), lathum went out of his way to try and clear the people who voted for me(himself included), and i dont feel other then voting for lathum, tangle did anything wrong. Neither has particularly caught my eye, but since a late swap to any of my canidates is not happening i picked my horse in the race, and thats lathum. I dont feel strongly on either, but i think lathum has been more suspicious...he also seems to be playing different then past games, but im not entirely sure...i just think its odd tangle voted lathum and now lathum is being saved by votes on tangle

[Mustang]

UNVOTE MUSTANG
VOTE LATHUM

Why you little... :mad:

:D

[Blade6119]

Why you little... :mad:

:D
Im hoping your going to play and not just try and quit tomorrow ;)

[Alan T]

UNVOTE TAZFTW
VOTE TANGLEWOOD

Im doubting mustang is a ninja, but could be wrong. Out of the three Tanglewood has seemed the most likely to me to be a ninja based on just today's activity (votes away from him, etc)

[Blade6119]

UNVOTE TAZFTW
VOTE TANGLEWOOD

Im doubting mustang is a ninja, but could be wrong. Out of the three Tanglewood has seemed the most likely to me to be a ninja based on just today's activity (votes away from him, etc)
Interesting...i see just the opposite happening...tangle got a few votes on lathum and now people have taken lathum back off the block...interesting, especially from you alan

[Mustang]

Im hoping your going to play and not just try and quit tomorrow ;)

No.. tomorrow is my quit McDonalds day. I'm not signed up for another quit WW game until Feb 10th.

[PackerFanatic]

I have trusted Blade's judgment up to this point (hopefully not too much) and had this person as the person I would have voted for earlier...

VOTE LATHUM

Appreciate the advice, saldana, and I agree. I want to be as trusted as possible and not voting isn't going to help my cause. I am an honorable samurai and being as such, I must try and help out my brothers as much as I can...even if I am condemning one of them right now.

[Lathum]

Actuall Blade, I'm not voting on tangle because he voted for me. I am voting for him because his reason for being suspiscous of me was that I voted for you when you were as close to 100% as we have.

How many times do I have to say this !! How could you be close to 100% cleared on day one??

Day two you were 100% cleared.

Tanglewood is claiming it is fishy that I voted for blade when he was 100% cleared.

We didn't find out until THE NEXT DAY that blade is the bodyguard.

Do the math people!!!! Tanglewood has made up a BS reason to suspect me. As good a player you are blade I can't belive you can't see through this

[Mustang]

Interesting...i see just the opposite happening...tangle got a few votes on lathum and now people have taken lathum back off the block...interesting, especially from you alan

Actually, there was one post you made where you left Lathum's name off.. not sure if that was an oversight or intentional... I think people were questioning that earlier.

[Blade6119]

Actuall Blade, I'm not voting on tangle because he voted for me. I am voting for him because his reason for being suspiscous of me was that I voted for you when you were as close to 100% as we have.

How many times do I have to say this !! How could you be close to 100% cleared on day one??

Day two you were 100% cleared.

Tanglewood is claiming it is fishy that I voted for blade when he was 100% cleared.

We didn't find out until THE NEXT DAY that blade is the bodyguard.

Do the math people!!!! Tanglewood has made up a BS reason to suspect me. As good a player you are blade I can't belive you can't see through this
In all honesty my vote has nothing to due with reasons, and more for how votes have swayed. After the mustang sway you had a little sway to you, and now it is swaying to tangle late in the day...its more a matter of it looks like somebody doesnt want you lynched then tangle being on. Im still not set, but for now i want to see how a few more pieces fall

[Lathum]

I think the whole vote for yourself strategy is questionable at best. If you are a villager, why would you vote for the one person you are 100% sure of being clean? It smacks of semi-desperate ninja ploy. The whole non-voting thing as well wasn't very helpful. However, I am not convinced that Mustang is ninja. I don't think a ninja would 'panic' at such an early stage if spotted, or if they did hey're not a terribly good player.

Therefore, my vote is going on Lathum for now. Voted for Blade and seemed all too ready to defend himself when listed. Of course, it's understandable he would be concerned if he is clean, but he voted for a near 100% confirmed and to me seems 'ninja-iest' of those in that group.
Vote Lathum

Subject to change as events unfold.

dola-
I bolded his great reason for suspecting me.

[Blade6119]

Actually, there was one post you made where you left Lathum's name off.. not sure if that was an oversight or intentional... I think people were questioning that earlier.
there was, and i commented on it by saying i didnt think he was that suspicious. Now you are learning i sometime attack people i dont think are bad and somewhat protect people i suspect...if a wolf thinks he is safe he will act differently then if i am calling him out...sometimes both ways work :)

[kingfc22]

So that leaves Taz and Schmidty without votes.

[Blade6119]

dola-
I bolded his great reason for suspecting me.
His reasons included everyone that voted for me, not just you...your comment about them all being clear pushed him to you...but he looked at who voted for me and then picked. If king was the target, the wolves werent voting for him. Most of them were on fozzie or myself. Some of the fozzie voters are already clear, none of the blade ones are...that leads me to believe we have a ninja or two who voted for me(who if king was the target never thought they would be looked at today)

[Mustang]

its more a matter of it looks like somebody doesnt want you lynched then tangle being on. Im still not set, but for now i want to see how a few more pieces fall

I would agree with this statement. Seems odd Tangle has the momentum...

[Schmidty]

After yesterday's drama, I haven't even looked in the thread until now. I've got some quick reading to do.

[Mustang]

After yesterday's drama, I haven't even looked in the thread until now. I've got some quick reading to do.

See you in an hour

[Lathum]

His reasons included everyone that voted for me, not just you...your comment about them all being clear pushed him to you...but he looked at who voted for me and then picked. If king was the target, the wolves werent voting for him. Most of them were on fozzie or myself. Some of the fozzie voters are already clear, none of the blade ones are...that leads me to believe we have a ninja or two who voted for me(who if king was the target never thought they would be looked at today)
your not understanding me. If his reason was he is suspiscous of everyone who voted for you then thats fine, but that wasn't his reason.

His reason was why vote for you when you are close to 100% and thats just not the case. We didn't find out you were 100% cleared until the next day, thats why his reason is bs.

And where has he been to support his argument. The whole thing is very fishy.

What kind of Ninja is going to draw attention to himself.

[kingfc22]

After yesterday's drama, I haven't even looked in the thread until now. I've got some quick reading to do.The drama is 97% gone and it is a good ole game of WW. Of course we did add a racist.http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Lathum]

dola-
Anyone have a vote count?

[Blade6119]

your not understanding me. If his reason was he is suspiscous of everyone who voted for you then thats fine, but that wasn't his reason.

His reason was why vote for you when you are close to 100% and thats just not the case. We didn't find out you were 100% cleared until the next day, thats why his reason is bs.

And where has he been to support his argument. The whole thing is very fishy.

What kind of Ninja is going to draw attention to himself.
He went out and accused a new player during a mild bandwagon...thats not drawing attention? I think its legit to look at it now, as wovles arent going to vote for each other. So people voting for fozzie or myself now have a higher chance of being bad then people who voted for packer...i see what your saying, but if you were a wolf you would have known i was a villager and hence its a plausible argument.

[Lathum]

and where is tanglewood to defend himself?

Is it possible he isn't worried because he knows his Ninja buddies will sway the vote.

If I am lynched look to the people who jumped on me late.

[Blade6119]

and where is tanglewood to defend himself?

Is it possible he isn't worried because he knows his Ninja buddies will sway the vote.

If I am lynched look to the people who jumped on me late.
Has tangle ever been an active poster??? if i stopped posting, then you worry...tangle is never around much from what i know. And if he was a wolf i would think he would be around more. Kind of like how i dont remember you ever being this active(note active, no mention of value...quality can come is small quantity)

[saldana]

votes are currently 6 for lathum (tanglewood, coder, king, desnudo, blade, packerfan) and 5 for tanglewood (mr w, qwik, lathum, alan, kwhit) and a bunch of others with 1 and mustang still with 2

[TazFTW]

VOTE TANGLEWOOD

[PackerFanatic]

oh boy...this is going to get interesting...

[Lathum]

Has tangle ever been an active poster??? if i stopped posting, then you worry...tangle is never around much from what i know. And if he was a wolf i would think he would be around more. Kind of like how i dont remember you ever being this active(note active, no mention of value...quality can come is small quantity)

I notice you've boosted your post count quiet a bit and haven't really added much except piss off people to the point of where they want to quit or be killed.

If I am lynched you'll all see what a genius blade really is by switching his vote to me.

At least I hope I point you guys in the right direction.

[saldana]

honorable Kurosawa must admit that he is perplexed by the events of the evening. While I do not think that Lathum-san is a Ninja based on his actions of earlier with his votes, since no one seems interested in my thougts on AlanT (or they just couldnt understand what i was talking about) i am tempted to change my vote to make it more meaningful. The problem being, I am unable to make a decision about Tanglewood-san. I believe the only choice I have at this time is to go to the bar and sing some karaoke.

[Lathum]

dola-

and of course I am going to be active with my head on the chopping block

[Mustang]

I believe the only choice I have at this time is to go to the bar and sing some karaoke.

Don't sing deck the halls..

That Fa la la la la part will just kill you.

[Blade6119]

I notice you've boosted your post count quiet a bit and haven't really added much except piss off people to the point of where they want to quit or be killed.
Have you ever played with me before lathum(i know you have, so note sarcasm). i think this might be a slow game for me post wise...im always by far the most talkative, with our Gm hoops the only one that ever comes close to me. But nice try young grasshopper

[kingfc22]

Those with votes on non-contenders:

Schmidty - non-voter
Grammaticus - Mustang
RPI - Path
Path - Packer
Mustang - RPI
Eagles - Mustang
Saldana - Alan

[Blade6119]

honorable Kurosawa must admit that he is perplexed by the events of the evening. While I do not think that Lathum-san is a Ninja based on his actions of earlier with his votes, since no one seems interested in my thougts on AlanT (or they just couldnt understand what i was talking about) i am tempted to change my vote to make it more meaningful. The problem being, I am unable to make a decision about Tanglewood-san. I believe the only choice I have at this time is to go to the bar and sing some karaoke.
Alan peaked my interest as either a solid good guy or a bad guy. he either was a ninja and knew i was a bodyguard or really analyzed well to see my hints. he mentioned it first and stuck to it. He is either a valuable villager or a wolf...either way he went to tangle which makes my vote on lathum more secure, as either he has no idea or he wants to save lathum

[Mustang]

Schmidty - non-voter
Grammaticus - Mustang
RPI - Path
Path - Packer
Mustang - RPI
Eagles - Mustang
Saldana - Alan

My vote will not be changing unless it is for someone that says outright they are a Ninja.

I still stand by my questions on RPI seemingly wanting to vote for me but, picking a complete oddity that wasn't even discussed in Path.

[hoopsguy]

Guys, I'm happy to move the deadlines if you still want me to do so, but I don't want to give an unfair advantage to one side or the other in doing so.

Is 11PM CST workable for the end of Day 2? That is a little less than an hour away right now and feels a little compressed.

If it is later than that, is there a compelling reason to move it for this day? If not, I'll definitely take this into account for Day 3.

Looking for input - would have made a move on this earlier today if I had heard more chatter between 6:30 this morning and about 1:30 this afternoon when my schedule took me away from the board for extended periods.

[Mustang]

really analyzed well to see my hints.

Which hints?

[Blade6119]

Perfect

[Eaglesfan27]

Those with votes on non-contenders:

Schmidty - non-voter
Grammaticus - Mustang
RPI - Path
Path - Packer
Mustang - RPI
Eagles - Mustang
Saldana - Alan
I would switch my vote if there was compelling evidence on any of the main contenders, but I just don't see it. I haven't seen anything that really makes me think Tangle or Lathum is a ninja. Therefore, I'm going to remain consistent and stick with my vote for Mustang because he voted for himself.

[Schmidty]

Ok, I need to go for a bit, but here's a prelimenary vote:

Vote Tanglewood

[Blade6119]

Which hints?
During the first day i made hints about my bodyguard role, i dont really want to go back and quote them, but if you want i can...i think i talked about a bodyguard like 5-6 times day one, 5-6 times more then anyone else