Werewolf XXII - Way of the Colt - Game over, congrats samurai!

[KWhit]

Yep. Should give you guys something to discuss.

[Eaglesfan27]

That is nonsensical in the context of what just happened. I'm not trying to be insulting, the only way it makes sense if you wanted to save Alan T.
I don't know anything about Alan T or RPI-Fan. Ultimately, I went on a gut instinct. If Kwhit had bothered to reveal his role sooner, I would have had time to reason things out more clearly.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I viewed Desnudo and I saw an incomplete picture. He seemed sad and it seemed like he was planning something. That is all.Hmm... vigilante? Or ninja?

[RPI-Fan]

You suddenly spoke up out of self-preservation. That makes me more suspicious of you.

Before I started talking, in all likelihood, I was going to live.

I put my ass on the line for tomorrow, and it looks like I was right, and yet you still are saying I am more likely bad than Alan T.

:rolleyes:

[KWhit]

I don't know anything about Alan T or RPI-Fan. Ultimately, I went on a gut instinct. If Kwhit had bothered to reveal his role sooner, I would have had time to reason things out more clearly.
Please. Excuse me for trying to avoid death by ninjas and revealing my role before I had found anything useful.

[Desnudo]

Hmm... vigilante? Or ninja?

Or neither.

[RPI-Fan]

Well, sudden or not, it's hard to blame anyone for speaking up out of self-preservation. He's supposed to just sit there and get lynched? I mean, I know that getting yourself killed by Chuck Norris is a great honor and all, but it's still a little extreme.

I agree, I don't hold against Alan T his switch.

However, I do feel stronger about him being a ninja, than anyone else right now for numerous other reasons.

[RPI-Fan]

Also: I like KWhit's play. I would have behaved the same way in his position, I think.

[tanglewood]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!

after I call you out on your strategy you suddenly feel the need to change your vote so it doesn't appear you are hiding.

Am I the only one who smells a load of crap here?

Well, I still think Lathum is ninjaish, so will place my vote on him for now, if only as a placeholder incase I miss the deadline which I may well do as I'm not sure if I can stay around much longer. However I think RPI is most definitley suspicious, as is Mustang to a certain degree. Hell, it seems everyone in this damn game is suspiciuous...

If 'm still here and anything 'interesting' happens/convincing arguments put forward I may well change this vote.

Vote Lathum

As I said, it was a placeholder vote more than anything, because I didn't know if I'd be here at the deadline and didn't want to get accused of avoiding voting completely. Also I said it was very much subject to change as things unfolded, and guess what things did unfold so I moved to KWhit. Funny how that happens.

[Eaglesfan27]

I think Blade is right and Alan T is a smart Samurai. He offered some good early insights on Blade's role. Shrug, Tanglewood also thought you were the right choice RPI-Fan. I wish I had more time to reason everything through, but I made a snap decision as the deadline called for it. Again, if Kwhit had spoken up sooner, I would have had more time to reason things through. I apologize to my fellow Samurai if my vote sent you to face Chuck's awesome might and you are a Samurai, RPI-Fan.

[Desnudo]

I agree, I don't hold against Alan T his switch.

However, I do feel stronger about him being a ninja, than anyone else right now for numerous other reasons.

Yes, the problem is the who did the voting. All the supposed "good guys" were piled on KWhit.

[Lathum]

As I said, it was a placeholder vote more than anything, because I didn't know if I'd be here at the deadline and didn't want to get accused of avoiding voting completely. Also I said it was very much subject to change as things unfolded, and guess what things did unfold so I moved to KWhit. Funny how that happens.
seems to convienient to me

[Eaglesfan27]

Please. Excuse me for trying to avoid death by ninjas and revealing my role before I had found anything useful.
I understand your reasoning and am not blaming you. However, I'm just saying I had a split second to make a decision. I apologize if I made the wrong guess.

[KWhit]

Also: I like KWhit's play. I would have behaved the same way in his position, I think.
Thanks. It was a weird position to be in with the vote so close. I started dropping little subtle hints a while back and then had to get more and more obvious when no one picked up on things like, "Can't you see what you're doing?"

What can I say? Self-preservation is a powerful thing.

[KWhit]

I understand your reasoning and am not blaming you. However, I'm just saying I had a split second to make a decision. I apologize if I made the wrong guess.
I thought you were criticising. No worries, mate.

[Alan T]

Thanks. It was a weird position to be in with the vote so close. I started dropping little subtle hints a while back and then had to get more and more obvious when no one picked up on things like, "Can't you see what you're doing?"

What can I say? Self-preservation is a powerful thing.


I dont blame you for not saying anything there. You're dead either way unfortunatly. With no bodyguard, its just a matter of time. either lynch or night time. Have fun tommorrow Tanglewood!

[saldana]

seems to convienient to me
and awfully convenient as well that he was in the thread the whole time after kwhits reveal (as were a bunch of others)and kept his vote on .

[Alan T]

I dont blame you for not saying anything there. You're dead either way unfortunatly. With no bodyguard, its just a matter of time. either lynch or night time. Have fun tommorrow Tanglewood!


oh and Eaglesfan! You two should be having a blast

[KWhit]

Tonight has already given you guys plenty to discuss tomorrow.

:D

[Alan T]

Tonight has already given you guys plenty to discuss tomorrow.

:D

Tommorrow I think our first two targets have to be Eaglesfan and Tanglewood. To analyze their prior votes.

[Mustang]

Crap.. looks like I picked a bad time to finish eating. Did NOT expect this turn.

[RPI-Fan]

Tommorrow I think our first two targets have to be Eaglesfan and Tanglewood. To analyze their prior votes.

Would you mind explaning exactly why you aren't at the top of the chopping block with them?

[Alan T]

Would you mind explaning exactly why you aren't at the top of the chopping block with them?


Well, my vote at least had a reason to it, where theirs didnt, at least that I could see.

[KWhit]

Check out Desnudo too. I scanned him last night and he had sadness and frustration but he was anticipating a special event during today's cycle.

FWIW....

[saldana]

Would you mind explaning exactly why you aren't at the top of the chopping block with them?
was wondering that myself...i know exactly where my vote is going if i live through the night...same place as today and yesterday.

[tanglewood]

and awfully convenient as well that he was in the thread the whole time after kwhits reveal (as were a bunch of others)and kept his vote on .

Well I switched off KWhit as soon as I could as it became apparent he was seer. Also the fact that my name is listed at the bottom as being in the thread does not mean I am physically reading the thread at that moment. For much of the last hour or so I have been multi-tasking, switching back here and refreshing every now and then.

[Desnudo]

Check out Desnudo too. I scanned him last night and he had sadness and frustration but he was anticipating a special event during today's cycle.

FWIW....

Well, thanks for getting me killed tonight.

[Mustang]

Is voting officially closed? I know Hoops said around 9..

[Lathum]

Tommorrow I think our first two targets have to be Eaglesfan and Tanglewood. To analyze their prior votes.
this is why I voted for alant and I think he is suspicious.

I bet you can go back and look through his posts and at one point or another has made at least 12 players "targets"

it just seems he is trying to spread alot of names around and cause confusion.

[Desnudo]

Is voting officially closed? I know Hoops said around 9..

Yes it is.

[TazFTW]

Is voting officially closed? I know Hoops said around 9..
Since he said my switch was too late, I would say yes.

[KWhit]

Well, thanks for getting me killed tonight.
Do I need to remind you that your vote was one of the key ones that put the voting virtually out of reach for me? So I had to reveal my role!

Since I'm dying tonight, I thought everyone should know what I saw.

[Mustang]

Since he said my switch was too late, I would say yes.

Thanks. I missed hoops note.

[Desnudo]

Do I need to remind you that your vote was one of the key ones that put the voting virtually out of reach for me? So I had to reveal my role!

Since I'm dying tonight, I thought everyone should know what I saw.

I'm aware of what transpired. I voted with what I thought were the group of "known villagers." Maybe someone can come forward and say they sensed some of your hints, but I tend to need to smacked with a trout to see things sometimes.

I'll buy you a drink in valhalla or where ever samurai go when they die.

[Desnudo]

Of course, did anyone do a last count? Is it KWhit or are we tied, or what?

[hoopsguy]

The day begins with a funeral pyre and ends with animated discussion with virtually every samurai upset about yet another tied vote. Chuck makes his way down the mountain to face KWhit and Alan T.

"I see we have yet another tie. However, today will end in blood! KWhit, Alan T - which of you should walk away from this battle? Arm yourselves!"

KWhit brings forward a shining samurai blade an is on the offensive. But Alan T is ready for the attack. He stands unarmed and swerves to the side as the katana whistles past his body. Alan T's palm explodes into KWhit's side, staggering him.

The fight is unnerving for the bystanders, as the level of skill shown by both men is truly impressive. There is no way that an unarmed man should be able to hold off a skilled swordsman like KWhit, but he is doing exacty that. Finally, Alan closes on KWhit and drives his knee into KWhit's elbow, sending it into a very awkward position and loosening his grip on his weapon.

KWhit completes his move with a frontal kick to KWhit's chest, sending him flying in the air. KWhit gathers himself, but he is not nearly the measure of Alan T as a hand-to-hand combatant. Alan T grabs KWhit by the throat, holding him suspended in the air for a minute before snapping his neck.

He casts aside the now lifeless KWhit, bows to Chuck, and turns to face the assembled group. With a particularly menacing carved dagger in his hand! He throws it straight at Saldana, who catches it with his throat! Saldana gurgles for a minute, but is dead.

The last thing that Alan T sees is a roundhouse kick from Chuck Norris.

"Today's activities have come to an end. The deaths of KWhit and Saldana are tragic, but a blow has been struck to the ninja on this evening. I look forward to continued samurai success tomorrow."

Hoopsguy, sporting a badly swollen jaw, whispers to Chuck. Chuck nods and reports the findings to the assembled samurai.

"A search of the quarters of these men shows that KWhit possessed incense and reams of notes on the human mind. Saldana possessed a number of bar napkins and sheet music for 'Pour Some Sugar on Me'. Alan T had a collection of small weapons similar to the knife you have already witnessed.

Votes:
Alan T (7) - Saldana (1196), Lathum (1198), Coder (1380), RPI (1399), KWhit (1450), Desnudo (1468), Mr. Wednesday (1469)
KWhit (7) - Qwikshot (1205), Blade (1269), Grammaticus (1386), Kingfc (1401), TazFTW (1427), Mustang (1459), Alan T (1477)
RPI (3) - Schmidty (1400), Tanglewood (1470), Eaglesfan (1475)

Night 3 is underway. I will process night actions upon receiving all PMs (or sometime shortly thereafter).

Also, I'm looking to set a permanent deadline for the end of Day cycles at 10PM CST. Let me know if that is a suitable time for the group - I hope that this is a fair compromise for the east/west coast while recognizing that any evening hour isn't very good for the players in the UK.

[Alan T]

Of course, did anyone do a last count? Is it KWhit or are we tied, or what?

I think kwhit won by either 2 or 3 votes. Just going off my head, without looking back for sure

[KWhit]

Well that was fun. Alan T, you sonofabitch!

:)

[Eaglesfan27]

Of course, did anyone do a last count? Is it KWhit or are we tied, or what?
I only realized a few minutes after the deadline how bad I fucked up by making it a tie. I'm truly sorry, and I realize this makes me look bad. It was a terrible honest mistake. It would have been a VERY dumb thing to do if I was a ninja. I am not a ninja.

[Alan T]

Well that was fun. Alan T, you sonofabitch!

:)


lol yeah, I had fun. I'll be watching how this goes from here out. :)

[RPI-Fan]

Ok, so we've added to the living known villagers list by 1, officially (Coder).

I'd like to think I'm on that list now, too, but I doubt that's the case in everyone else's mind.

[Desnudo]

So I guess that means Alan T was the brutal ninja?

[saldana]

.......................................................................................................:(

[KWhit]

.......................................................................................................:(
Come have a beer with me and Alan T.

[Mustang]

I'd like to think I'm on that list now, too, but I doubt that's the case in everyone else's mind.

You are in my mind. Sorry for voting on ya....

I also think Eaglesfan did an honest mistake. There was very little time to react and I think he just grabbed the first candidate in his mind to clear off KWhit.

[Alan T]

.......................................................................................................:(


No hard feelings? Next drinks on me :)

[Lathum]

VOTE Eaglesfan

[RPI-Fan]

Ok, my version of the events:

1) KWhit & Alan T tied
2) Tiebreaker is that both die.
3) Alan T is the "brutal ninja", chooses to kill saldana.

NOTE: the order of deaths in hoops' writeup don't necessarily reflect this, but I think this is how it went down.

[PackerFanatic]

Alan, you tricksy bastard!

[Desnudo]

Alan T (7) - Saldana (1196), Lathum (1198), Coder (1380), RPI (1399), KWhit (1450), Desnudo (1468), Mr. Wednesday (1469)

Clear in my mind. Also probably clear is Taz, unless he had a kitchen timer on his desk.

[TazFTW]

So since we had a tie and people ended up dying, does that confirm that there were tiebreakers cancelling each other out yesterday?

[Alan T]

Did someone just delete a post? I saw us go back a page

[Mustang]

So since we had a tie and people ended up dying, does that confirm that there were tiebreakers cancelling each other out yesterday?

Could just be the tiebreaker was we were so indecisive that Chuck killed a Samurai at night or maybe the Ninja's got to pick 2... Maybe the Ninja's hold the tiebreaker. (?)

[RPI-Fan]

Just in case, I die, I want to get some thoughts out there:

1) Eaglesfan -- Probably good despite AWFUL votes todya.
2) tanglewood -- Sensed teamwork with him and Alan T, and now he's trying to explain his way out of what was a crucial vote for samurai and ninjas alike -- right now, I feel he may be a bad guy.
3) Desnudo -- Most likely special role samurai, possible that he's trying to pull a very clever deflection of KWhit's vision. Good in my mind, for now.

[Desnudo]

Did someone just delete a post? I saw us go back a page

I noticed that too.

[Lathum]

Since it is obvious I am innocent I think we need to take a good, hard look at tanglewood

[KWhit]

Did someone just delete a post? I saw us go back a page
Yes. It wasn't me, but I saw it and then it was gone when I refreshed.

[PackerFanatic]

You guys are too into this thread if you notice that :-P

Haha, just kidding, I noticed it too.

[RPI-Fan]

Desnudo:

I'm not willing to give a free pass to everyone who voted Alan T. First and foremost, Mr. W's play today is very awkward.

He is in no way clear, to me.

[saldana]

I noticed that too.

i did...i was typing while hoops was posting and i didnt know i was dead, so i deleted what i had said.

[Eaglesfan27]

Just in case, I die, I want to get some thoughts out there:

1) Eaglesfan -- Probably good despite AWFUL votes todya.
2) tanglewood -- Sensed teamwork with him and Alan T, and now he's trying to explain his way out of what was a crucial vote for samurai and ninjas alike -- right now, I feel he may be a bad guy.
3) Desnudo -- Most likely special role samurai, possible that he's trying to pull a very clever deflection of KWhit's vision. Good in my mind, for now.
Thank you. I know I made a VERY stupid move today, but it was an honest mistake as the clock was ticking down. I feel horrible for it. At least, I didn't leave my vote on KWhit. However, I let all of my fellow Samurai down. I'm kicking myself now for that. However, if you give me the chance, I will redeem myself.

Looking back on the sequence, you are on my trusted list, RPI-Fan. I just wish I could go back in time, and have made the correct choice. :(

[Mr. Wednesday]

It always going to be pretty damn awkward when I screw up and leave myself barely a couple of minutes to cast a vote.

[Desnudo]

Desnudo:

I'm not willing to give a free pass to everyone who voted Alan T. First and foremost, Mr. W's play today is very awkward.

He is in no way clear, to me.

I haven't had time to look at him specifically, but I think the nature of the last minute voting lends credence to him being clear. Not saying it couldn't happen, Dubb did it last game, but I definitely think there are much better suspects at this point.

[KWhit]

i did...i was typing while hoops was posting and i didnt know i was dead, so i deleted what i had said.
That made me laugh out loud.

[RPI-Fan]

I haven't had time to look at him specifically, but I think the nature of the last minute voting lends credence to him being clear. Not saying it couldn't happen, Dubb did it last game, but I definitely think there are much better suspects at this point.

7 people is too many to clear at once. Hell, you can make a case that I shouldn't be cleared.

I think you're trying to get us to walk before we can crawl...

[Desnudo]

7 people is too many to clear at once. Hell, you can make a case that I shouldn't be cleared.

I think you're trying to get us to walk before we can crawl...

You're right, but you never know 100% until someone is either dead or does a role reveal. I tend to think you're innocent based on the Path12 sequence, but that doesn't guarantee you are.

"Alan T (7) - Saldana (1196), Lathum (1198), Coder (1380), RPI (1399), KWhit (1450), Desnudo (1468), Mr. Wednesday (1469)"

Saldan, KWhit, Coder - good

So that actually only leaves four to clear

Desnudo, RPI, Mr. W, Lathum

Looking at those four, I think we have much better options to go after at this point.

[tanglewood]

This is assuming: Blade = good guy, KWhit is seer (both pretty solid at the moment, but just to be sure they are technically assumptions). Qwik, King and Desnudo area all semi-confirmed good guys, so in green. Of course, assuming Desnudo is a good guy is a large assumption, but if the seer doesn't see him show up as Ninja then I don't think he is one. However I am certainly not confident enough to put any of them in he blue category.

Day 1

SirFozzie (8) - AlanT, Blade, Grammaticus , Tanglewood, Saldana, PackerFanatic, Kingfc , Qwikshot
Blade (5) - Kwhit, Lathum, SirFozzie , TazFTW, Mr. W
Dubb (2) - Schmidty, Eaglesfan
Mustang (1) - Coder
Qwikshot (1) - RPI
Kingfc (2) - Desnudo, Path

Day 2
Mustang (2) - Eaglesfan, AlanT
Lathum (7) - Tanglewood, Coder, Kingfc , Desnudo, Blade, PackerFanatic, Mustang
PackerFanatic (1) - Path
AlanT (1) - Saldana
Path (1) - RPI-Fan
Tanglewood (7) - Mr. Wednesday, Qwikshot, Lathum , KWhit, TazFTW, Schmidty, Grammaticus

Day 3
Alan T (7) - Saldana, Lathum, Coder , RPI, KWhit, Desnudo, Mr. Wednesday
KWhit (7) - Qwikshot, Blade, Grammaticus, Kingfc, TazFTW, Mustang, Alan T
RPI (3) - Schmidty, Tanglewood, Eaglesfan

It's not much until we get some more red on the board, but at least it's something to go by. I'm probably not going to be around when the night results are listed so if any further guys die, anyone can feel free to update as necessary.

[RPI-Fan]

You're right, but you never know 100% until someone is either dead or does a role reveal. I tend to think you're innocent based on the Path12 sequence, but that doesn't guarantee you are.

"Alan T (7) - Saldana (1196), Lathum (1198), Coder (1380), RPI (1399), KWhit (1450), Desnudo (1468), Mr. Wednesday (1469)"

Saldan, KWhit, Coder - good

So that actually only leaves four to clear

Desnudo, RPI, Mr. W, Lathum

Looking at those four, I think we have much better options to go after at this point.

After seeing who exactly voted for Alan T, the 7 isn't quite as much as it initially looked. Nevertheless, I just want to caution us against forgetting about Mr. W (and the other 3, myself included) for a couple of days before we're in a huge hole.

[RPI-Fan]

Alright guys, I'd call it a successful day all in all.

Just a heads up: I won't be able to check in until 7pm (or thereabouts) tomorrow, but that'll give me at least 3 hours to defend myself hopefully if necessary.

[Desnudo]

In case I sleep with the fishes tonight

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6527/day34nn.th.jpg (http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=day34nn.jpg)

[tanglewood]

Just some random stuff based on the list I compiled above:

Two guys are yet to vote for a confirmed good guy, Schimdty and Eaglesfan.

If you take me as samurai (which I suspect I may be proving via the 'help' of Mr. Chuck at the end of the day), then two guys have voted for confimed good guys each day, Grammaticus/Dubb and TazFTW.

Grammaticus, Blade, Qwikshot and Kingfc have the joint highest 'vote with AlanT ratio' at 2/3 each. Small sample size I know, but just throwing it out there.

The above four are also the only players who were on SirFozzie day one, and on one of the two tied candidates both days two and three. This goes a way to negating the above point, but it is interesting that they were all with Alan T on Day 3 voting for a now (just about) confirmed good guy when the other candidate was a ninja. For interest they split evenly on day two, possibly when both candidates were samurai? Again not sure how significant this is.

[Desnudo]

Just some random stuff based on the list I compiled above:

Two guys are yet to vote for a confirmed good guy, Schimdty and Eaglesfan.

If you take me as samurai (which I suspect I may be proving via the 'help' of Mr. Chuck at the end of the day), then two guys have voted for confimed good guys each day, Grammaticus/Dubb and TazFTW.

Grammaticus, Blade, Qwikshot and Kingfc have the joint highest 'vote with AlanT ratio' at 2/3 each. Small sample size I know, but just throwing it out there.

The above four are also the only players who were on SirFozzie day one, and on one of the two tied candidates both days two and three. This goes a way to negating the above point, but it is interesting that they were all with Alan T on Day 3 voting for a now (just about) confirmed good guy when the other candidate was a ninja. For interest they split evenly on day two, possibly when both candidates were samurai? Again not sure how significant this is.

I agree that we need to reconsider the "absolute goodness" of that group. I would especially recommend examining Gram's switch from Alan T to KWhit.

[saldana]

Alright guys, I'd call it a successful day all in all.



i wouldn't!!! i have a freaking knife stuck in my throat!! :mad:

[Qwikshot]

Ok, I screwed up on KWhit and didn't have time to say anything until after the vote.

I say Tangle or Dub/Gram but I'm going to hold off for a while.

[Lathum]

OK, I am posting this now in case I get whacked. I have strong suspiciouns against tanglewood so I have been doing some research and came up with this.

#324- Tanglewood votes for Fozzie, a known good guy. Fozzie ends up the day one lynch. For some reason the people who voted for blade are under suspiscioun.

#776- I make the point that the people who voted for blade are actually in the clear in my book. I know for a fact 3 of the 5 are clean. Myself, Fozzie, and Kwhit

#778 AlanT points out I am on that list, drawing attention to me

#798 Tanglewood calls me out for really no good reason, after that he gets very quiet once Coder jumps on board.

#1061 Me and Tanglewood are neck and neck with tanglewood leading by one vote, there is some talk of maybe a tie could be a good thing BAM, ALANT UNVOTES TANGLEWOOD AND CASTS A MEANINGLESS VOTE FOR MUSTANG FORCING A TIE. NO ONE DIES

#1132- Tanglewood defends Alant's actions

#1297 The wording in this post seem to tie AlanT and Tanglewood together

#1389- Once again Tanglewood backs alanT

#1405- Tanglewood casts a meaningless vote for me since the heat was off me. At this point the vote total is AlanT-4 Kwhit-5

#1460- Once the Kwit bandwagon really gets going tanglewood jumps onboard. In my opinion this is an attempt to justify his voting pattern down the road.

#1465- Kwit outs himself as the seer, Des then switches followed by a vote by Mr. W to AlanT- IMO this clears Mr. W

THEN

#1470- TANGLEWOOD UNVOTES KWIT BUT MOVES HIS VOTE TO RPI FAN !! WHY CAST ANOTHER MEANINGLESS VOTE!!!!!

we all know what happens from here.

I am voting Tanglewood tomorrow if I am still alive.

[Desnudo]

I can't argue with the evidence trail on Tangle. In case I'm the one that gets it, I would ask people to examine Tangle, Gramm, and Qwik. The reason for Qwik, is what is he doing still alive when he apparently has a role that allows him to monitor goings on at night? What happened last night? We really haven't poked at his role at all, taking his and Blade's word for what happened. Don't forget that King didn't see anything, so it's actually two people's words, not three.

[Desnudo]

I mean if he's alive in the morning.

[kingfc22]

Ok, let me say that if I was around for KWhit's role reveal I would have switched over to Alan. Sorry, but I was at work.

Right now my list of suspects, in no particular order:
- Tanglewood
- Schmidty
- Eagles
- Gramm

[Blade6119]

Back, going to start reading...im back on page 29 so give me a bit to catch up

[Coder]

I was almost late to work because I was reading up on the night's happenings (that's day votes to you guys).

Damn.. I wasn't sure about KWhit, only following Blade's lead. At this point I'm glad I changed to AlanT, but terrible loss in KWhit..

My trusted list has definately increased, though not as much as it seems to some here.

I have one name that sticks out in all this, and I've seen that name as "trusted" in some areas, while not mentioned at all among others. I can't for the life of me see what makes that named trusted though.

I'll analyze some more later on.

[Blade6119]

I can't argue with the evidence trail on Tangle. In case I'm the one that gets it, I would ask people to examine Tangle, Gramm, and Qwik. The reason for Qwik, is what is he doing still alive when he apparently has a role that allows him to monitor goings on at night? What happened last night? We really haven't poked at his role at all, taking his and Blade's word for what happened. Don't forget that King didn't see anything, so it's actually two people's words, not three.
here are my thoughts...qwik is the witness...he used his role(usually a one shot role) on night one(makes sense if you are witness) and then the whole ninja/myself battle occurs...hoops gives him two option, to follow attackers(witness role) or save me(special event)...thats where i consider qwik currently, just so everyone else knows where im at on him

King i dont think is clear in any way, but others have said he is recently. I can also vouch for gramat as of day one, so unless he has been converted he should be fine...interesting how the tie-breaker fell, but GREAT to get the brutal wolf right now(worst of all wolf roles)...kwhit and the seer, i still dont know on...he had notes about the human mind, so i guess its legit...at least we know he was good...im sorry to everyone i wasnt around closer to the deadline, as i would have switched and broken that tie...

Interesting play alan, i think you figured out how to play me...just agree with me and sound smart(ironically sounds like coder too)...reminds me of the spin city episode where they bring in the commercial producer and talk about handling people with big egos. Just stroke it and their puddy..both times the ego guy responsed "SEE, you get me"...random, made me laugh

[Blade6119]

Day 3
Alan T (7) - Saldana, Lathum, Coder , RPI, KWhit, Desnudo, Mr. Wednesday
KWhit (7) - Qwikshot, Blade, Grammaticus, Kingfc, TazFTW, Mustang, Alan T
RPI (3) - Schmidty, Tanglewood, Eaglesfan

Schmidty, taz, mr. wednesday, and tangle make my suspect list right now...one of those 4 will get my vote tomorrow as it stands

[Qwikshot]

I"m gonna go with my earlier hunch on Tangle; I was on the fence between him and KWhit.

Vote Tanglewood

[Coder]

I"m gonna go with my earlier hunch on Tangle; I was on the fence between him and KWhit.

Vote Tanglewood

I've seen two votes already, but aren't we getting ahead of ourselves.. isn't there supposed to be a nightaction now?

[Coder]

Lets just say that whoever I thought was to be taken off my suspicious list is now back on. I thought someone was the seer, but now that KWhit's gone (and he's not the one I thought), that person is on the list again.. especially with some of what happened while i was sleeping.

[Coder]

Triple Dola:

I'm worried that I might be the one to get killed now. I'm the only CONFIRMED Samurai.. we all have pretty strong beliefs that Blade is good, but some people might suggest that they let him live because people will follow him, and as long as he's targetting Samurai instead of Ninjas, he'll be an asset to the bad guys.

Of the "unknowns" (and still alive):

I have renewed faith in Lathum. He voted AlanT from the start and stuck with it through thick and thin, despite getting votes himself he didn't sway from his point of view. Looks good and feels good.

I have serious issues with TazFTW... he's done some very very very strange things. First the first two days he votes without stating his reasons, which is odd but not completely incriminating. Then on the third day he votes for KWhit in post 1427 to break a 3-3 tie with AlanT (known Ninja) bringing the count to 4-3. This is the start of a rush to KWhit, with both good guys and bad guys voting for him.

After Taz vote, this is what the posts looked like:


TazFTW 1427 Vote Kwhit AlanT (4), Kwhit (5), Mustang (2), RPI-fan (3), Lathum (1)
Desnudo 1432 Vote Kwhit AlanT (4), Kwhit (6), Mustang (2), RPI-fan (3), Lathum (1)
Mustang 1439 Vote RPI-fan AlanT (4), Kwhit (6), Mustang (2), RPI-fan (4), Lathum (1)
Eagles 1443 Unvote Mustang AlanT (4), Kwhit (6), Mustang (1), RPI-fan (4), Lathum (1)
Eagles 1443 Vote Kwhit AlanT (4), Kwhit (7), Mustang (1), RPI-fan (4), Lathum (1)
Kwhit 1450 Unvote RPI-fan AlanT (4), Kwhit (7), Mustang (1), RPI-fan (3), Lathum (1)
Kwhit 1450 Vote AlanT AlanT (5), Kwhit (7), Mustang (1), RPI-fan (3), Lathum (1)
Mustang 1459 Unvote RPI-fan AlanT (5), Kwhit (7), Mustang (1), RPI-fan (2), Lathum (1)
Mustang 1459 Vote Kwhit AlanT (5), Kwhit (8), Mustang (1), RPI-fan (2), Lathum (1)
Tangl 1460 Unvote Lathum AlanT (5), Kwhit (8), Mustang (1), RPI-fan (2)
Tangl 1460 Vote Kwhit AlanT (5), Kwhit (9), Mustang (1), RPI-fan (2)

[Coder]

Quadruple dola:

After those votes were done, KWhit revealed his role, and this is what happened:


Desnudo 1467 Unvote Kwhit AlanT (5), Kwhit (8), Mustang (1), RPI-fan (2)
Desnudo 1467 Vote AlanT AlanT (6), Kwhit (8), Mustang (1), RPI-fan (2)
Mr Wed 1469 Vote AlanT AlanT (7), Kwhit (8), Mustang (1), RPI-fan (2)
Tangle 1470 Unvote Kwhit AlanT (7), Kwhit (7), Mustang (1), RPI-fan (2)
Tangle 1470 Vote RPI-fan AlanT (7), Kwhit (7), Mustang (1), RPI-fan (3)
Eagles 1475 Unvote Kwhit AlanT (7), Kwhit (6), Mustang (1), RPI-fan (3)
Eagles 1475 Vote RPI-fan AlanT (7), Kwhit (6), Mustang (1), RPI-fan (5)
AlanT 1477 Unvote RPI-fan AlanT (7), Kwhit (6), Mustang (1), RPI-fan (4)
AlanT 1477 Vote Kwhit AlanT (7), Kwhit (7), Mustang (1), RPI-fan (4)


I'm leaving out Tazs "looking good" unvote/vote after the deadline..

[hoopsguy]

After the traumatic events of the last lynching a few of the samurai fall into discussion of the late vote switches. Others are worried about their safety this evening and look for ways to communicate their final thoughts before heading towards their inevitable murder.

In the end there was only one man who had a legitimate reason to fear death on this evening. You awaken once more to the fresh scent of burning wood - who have the ninjas claimed this time?

Chuck summons you to the center of the village. "I regret to inform you that Blade will no longer be taking an active part in our meetings. He fought bravely but it was only a matter of time before the wounded one amongst you was claimed. I expect that when I return tonight you will have a ninja ready for me."

List of players:

1. Lathum
2. TazFTW
3. Coder
4. Kwhit - seer, co-lynched Day 3
5. Eaglesfan27
6. RPI-Fan
7. Blade6119 - ???, killed Night 3
8. PackerFanatic - ???, killed Night 2
9. Path12 - ???, killed Night 2
10. Tanglewood
11. Mr. Wednesday
12. Qwikshot
13. Mustang
14. Saldana - samurai, killed Day 3 by Alan T
15. Desnudo
16. Grammaticus
17. kingfc22
18. Schmidty
19. SirFozzie - samurai, lynched Day 1
20. AlanT - ninja, co-lynched Day 3

Day 4 is underway - the deadline is set for 10PM CST. All votes that were cast during the evening phase are null and void - please recast them at this time or modify them based on new evidence. But know that any votes prior to this post will not be part of the final Day 4 count.

Also, I will not have nearly as much access to the board during working hours today as I have in previous days. I will do my best to answer any questions - public or private - but the response may not come until after 6PM CST, depending on when the question is posed.

[hoopsguy]

Dola,

Coder - lot easier to get in the "dolas" this time of day :)

[Coder]

Ok.. so they picked Blade..

I currently have 5 people on my suspect-list, two are stronger suspects than the other three.

I have three people on my probably good list, but one is "not so sure" no more..

[Coder]

Dola,

Coder - lot easier to get in the "dolas" this time of day :)

Sure is :) I feel like I have this all to myself.. now I just have to run off to a meeting that I've postponed 50 minutes because I told them I was busy ;) Guess what I was doing ;)

[Coder]

FWIW, I really dislike what happened after KWhit's reveal..

Instead of potentially saving KWhit, Tangle and Eagle voted for RPI-fan, full well knowing that AlanT's lynching would be the best move. AlanT was the leading candidate without KWhit.. They undid their votes for KWhit to avoid being pointed at for voting for him, but in my opinion, changing to RPI, who was outside the race completely, was a suspicious move..

[Grammaticus]

Well, since no pk action happened last night, I’m pretty sure Desnudo is the turncoat/cultist type role. Probably appears as a Samurai, but wins with the Ninja.

[Coder]

One thing that needs to be said with regards to Mustang, ninja or no ninja. Blade accused him of mentioning the eyes being gouged before Blade had mentioned it himself, and used that as a good indication Mustang had messed up.

However, hoopsguy said this in the post with Blade's attack:

It is clear that he was slashed by a blade across his face. It is also morbidly clear that he is unlikely to have the use of his eyesight again, as his injuries are massive and brutal, but not deadly.

I wanted to throw that out, since that single comment by Blade had me put Mustang on Threat-Level 2 instead of 1 ;)

[Grammaticus]

A note on AlanT’s move to bring the lynch vote from Tanglewood to the tie on the day 1 lynch vote. I think the probability is that Tanglewood is a ninja.

If you are AlanT and Tangle is a Samurai, you would probably just sit tight and let him get lynched. That way you do not draw attention to yourself. AlanT got lynched in the last game because he played the tie game, so a little caution as a Ninja would be the probable move from him. The only other reason he may move for a tie in that scenario is to out the tie-breaker for the ninja to use in their “who to kill logic”, under the guise of “I was just trying to make a tie to help the good guys”. The risk reward just does not play out there.

If Tangle and Lathum are both Samurai, the same as above applies.

If Tangle is Ninja, then AlanT tries to subtly save him by moving to a tie under the logic of “I was just trying to make a tie to help the Samurai, oh drats things didn’t work out”. If Lathum is good in this scenario, then there is a chance Alan saves the ninja if Lathum gets lynched rather than Tangle. If both Tangle and Lathum are bad, then Alan outs a villager as the tie-breaker, meaning they can’t be the seer or a more important role and looks good because it looks like he helped nail a ninja, when really a ninja was going down no matter what, he had nothing to lose

If Tangle were a Samurai, I just don’t see why AlanT would move to the tie. It just draws too much attention and is probably the reason he was on so many peoples suspicion list. It is one of the reasons I had a high suspicion of him.

[Qwikshot]

A note on AlanT’s move to bring the lynch vote from Tanglewood to the tie on the day 1 lynch vote. I think the probability is that Tanglewood is a ninja.

If you are AlanT and Tangle is a Samurai, you would probably just sit tight and let him get lynched. That way you do not draw attention to yourself. AlanT got lynched in the last game because he played the tie game, so a little caution as a Ninja would be the probable move from him. The only other reason he may move for a tie in that scenario is to out the tie-breaker for the ninja to use in their “who to kill logic”, under the guise of “I was just trying to make a tie to help the good guys”. The risk reward just does not play out there.

If Tangle and Lathum are both Samurai, the same as above applies.

If Tangle is Ninja, then AlanT tries to subtly save him by moving to a tie under the logic of “I was just trying to make a tie to help the Samurai, oh drats things didn’t work out”. If Lathum is good in this scenario, then there is a chance Alan saves the ninja if Lathum gets lynched rather than Tangle. If both Tangle and Lathum are bad, then Alan outs a villager as the tie-breaker, meaning they can’t be the seer or a more important role and looks good because it looks like he helped nail a ninja, when really a ninja was going down no matter what, he had nothing to lose

If Tangle were a Samurai, I just don’t see why AlanT would move to the tie. It just draws too much attention and is probably the reason he was on so many peoples suspicion list. It is one of the reasons I had a high suspicion of him.

Vote Tanglewood

I agree with the above assessments.

[Grammaticus]

I'm going to go ahead and vote

VOTE TANGLEWOOD

I'll see what everyone else thinks as the day goes on

[Mustang]

Personally, I now think I was duped into voting to make a tie 2 days ago. I think Alan was hiding himself in voting for tangle but, had to jump out to vote on me then.. (I've been suspect since day 1 so.. not so bad to vote for me)

Therefore, I vote for Tangle

Vote Tanglewood

[Coder]

I won't be home for the next 5-6 hours, but I'll cast my vote then. I also consider Tanglewood very suspicious (see post #1592 and then check the voting for day 3 above).

I'd say he, along with TazFTW are pretty strong suspects at them moment.

Tangle and Eagles did a booboo by not voting for AlanT to help KWhit survive.

[tanglewood]

Well it looks as if I'm going down, and I can't say I'm suprised. I have been a pretty poor samurai this game so far, so maybe I deserve it. I am just about to take a two hour train ride which will give me time to find some way of proving my samuraidom.

If it is inevitable that I'm going down today, I will say watch very carefully who votes for me. The ninjas obviously know I am not a ninja, so will be in two minds whether to vote for me or not. If the stay off me then they can play the 'well I never suspected tangle that much anyway' defence, but they may feel they need at least one or two to vote for me just to make sure that I get lynched.

I will place my vote on Grammaticus. Dubb's earlier actions were bizzare, and his attempt to get my lynched rather than go for a tie still seems suspicious to me (Even though we now know that Alan T's motives were suspect. However I believe that he didn't know the tiebreaker rule either and was just trying to gain good guy capital.) and with his vote for me this morning he is the only player who has voted for a good guy on all four days so far.

Vote Grammaticus

[TazFTW]

VOTE TANGLEWOOD

[Desnudo]

Well, since no pk action happened last night, I’m pretty sure Desnudo is the turncoat/cultist type role. Probably appears as a Samurai, but wins with the Ninja.

You would be incorrect then. After sleeping on it for a night, very high on my suspect list is Eaglesfan. Despite his protestations of innocence, the fact remains that he moved his vote from AlanT to RPI. He was the deciding vote.

I, and I think everyone else, let it slide because we all like Eaglesfan and want to trust him. This is the second time this game when he's had to explain his behaviour because it differed in a big way from his normal modus operandi. Let's not forget that he certainly has the background to manipulate people. I'm probably more concerned about him at this point than anyone else.

Additionally you can look at Taz' vote one of two ways, as an oops, I just missed type vote, or a legitimate attempt to try and change things. I tend to believe the latter simply because he had no way of knowing whether hoopsguys would do a hard 7:00 stop. So a post at 7:01 seems very risky for not much gain if you are a ninja.

[Desnudo]

I also belive Tanglewood is highly suspect:

Vote Tanglewood

[Blade6119]

God damn you ninjas

[Blade6119]

dola, ok...i kinda knew it was coming, so let me just say good luck to the villagers and may you think every action through analytically

[Desnudo]

Day 3
Alan T (7) - Saldana, Lathum, Coder , RPI, KWhit, Desnudo, Mr. Wednesday
KWhit (7) - Qwikshot, Blade, Grammaticus, Kingfc, TazFTW, Mustang, Alan T
RPI (3) - Schmidty, Tanglewood, Eaglesfan

Schmidty, taz, mr. wednesday, and tangle make my suspect list right now...one of those 4 will get my vote tomorrow as it stands

Ok, let's try and peel away the onion a little bit. First, I think someone one on Blade's list is definitely a ninja. Blade has shown the ability to mobilize voting, so the frame-up scenario doesn't really work in the instance. Second, there are likely 3 ninjas left. If there was more than one ninja vote on AlanT, then you can knock me over with a feather. So that leaves the following pool likely containing two, and possibly three, ninjas:

Qwik, Gramm, Taz, Mustang, Schmidty, Tangle, Eaglesfan. Not bad odds if we can reason it out.

[PackerFanatic]

S'ok Blade, come sit on the bench with me and watch everything unfold!

[Desnudo]

dola, forgot King. Was trying to read through Blade's HTML, sorry.

Qwik, Gramm, Taz, Mustang, Schmidty, Tangle, Eaglesfan, King.

[Blade6119]

S'ok Blade, come sit on the bench with me and watch everything unfold!
Alas, i do hereby heartily accept your offer. At least now that im dead i can see again and defend myself again, as before i died i had another visitor...lets just say that was worse then dying

[PackerFanatic]

Alas, i do hereby heartily accept your offer. At least now that im dead i can see again and defend myself again, as before i died i had another visitor...lets just say that was worse then dying

I can just imagine...

Well, I know how you feel...especially since I know who killed me and I unforunately can't haunt the members and tell, heh...

[Lathum]

If you look at post 1575 my vote is obvious.

VOTE TANGLEWOOD

[Blade6119]

Wow, i die and this thread goes quiet lol...did my death really give that little to discuss? Thats a nice shot to my ego right there

[Schmidty]

dola, forgot King. Was trying to read through Blade's HTML, sorry.

Qwik, Gramm, Taz, Mustang, Schmidty, Tangle, Eaglesfan, King.

After not doing much in the game lately (for various reasons), I am overwhelmed by the amount of info to take in. But why am I a suspect? Just curious as to the reasoning.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I've got some misgivings about automatically assuming that Alan was creating a tie to save a ninja, but realistically, what else do we have to go on? I'm not wedded to this vote, but for now...

Vote Tanglewood

[Schmidty]

By the way, I'm sticking with my vote for the 3rd straight day:

Vote Tanglewood

[Mr. Wednesday]

It just occurred to me that me having some misgivings isn't really indicative of much... I have misgivings all the time except when we're going off a reveal. :p

[Lathum]

OK, I am off for work untill about 3:00 AM EST so I will obviously miss the vote.

[Coder]

Awfully quiet in the time since I left work and got home 6 hours later..

[Eaglesfan27]

Awfully quiet in the time since I left work and got home 6 hours later..
I'm just catching up from work. I have a new resident working with me this month and that has made for a busy clinic today. Tonight, I promised my wife I would be spending time with her. However, I'll be sitting down after work to look at everything and vote.

[Eaglesfan27]

OK, I am posting this now in case I get whacked. I have strong suspiciouns against tanglewood so I have been doing some research and came up with this.

#324- Tanglewood votes for Fozzie, a known good guy. Fozzie ends up the day one lynch. For some reason the people who voted for blade are under suspiscioun.

#776- I make the point that the people who voted for blade are actually in the clear in my book. I know for a fact 3 of the 5 are clean. Myself, Fozzie, and Kwhit

#778 AlanT points out I am on that list, drawing attention to me

#798 Tanglewood calls me out for really no good reason, after that he gets very quiet once Coder jumps on board.

#1061 Me and Tanglewood are neck and neck with tanglewood leading by one vote, there is some talk of maybe a tie could be a good thing BAM, ALANT UNVOTES TANGLEWOOD AND CASTS A MEANINGLESS VOTE FOR MUSTANG FORCING A TIE. NO ONE DIES

#1132- Tanglewood defends Alant's actions

#1297 The wording in this post seem to tie AlanT and Tanglewood together

#1389- Once again Tanglewood backs alanT

#1405- Tanglewood casts a meaningless vote for me since the heat was off me. At this point the vote total is AlanT-4 Kwhit-5

#1460- Once the Kwit bandwagon really gets going tanglewood jumps onboard. In my opinion this is an attempt to justify his voting pattern down the road.

#1465- Kwit outs himself as the seer, Des then switches followed by a vote by Mr. W to AlanT- IMO this clears Mr. W

THEN

#1470- TANGLEWOOD UNVOTES KWIT BUT MOVES HIS VOTE TO RPI FAN !! WHY CAST ANOTHER MEANINGLESS VOTE!!!!!

we all know what happens from here.

I am voting Tanglewood tomorrow if I am still alive.
Ultimately this post (as well as points made by others) makes me vote for Tanglewood.



I vote Tanglewood

[Desnudo]

After not doing much in the game lately (for various reasons), I am overwhelmed by the amount of info to take in. But why am I a suspect? Just curious as to the reasoning.

Ok, let's try and peel away the onion a little bit. First, I think someone one on Blade's list is definitely a ninja. Blade has shown the ability to mobilize voting, so the frame-up scenario doesn't really work in the instance. Second, there are likely 3 ninjas left. If there was more than one ninja vote on AlanT, then you can knock me over with a feather. So that leaves the following pool likely containing two, and possibly three, ninjas:

Qwik, Gramm, Taz, Mustang, Schmidty, Tangle, Eaglesfan. Not bad odds if we can reason it out.

+King

[Blade6119]

+King

Two posts after the one you quoted for reference
dola, forgot King. Was trying to read through Blade's HTML, sorry.

Qwik, Gramm, Taz, Mustang, Schmidty, Tangle, Eaglesfan, King.

[Schmidty]

+King

Ok, that still doesn't answer my question (as far as solid reasoning). Also, why aren't you a suspect? What's your reasoning there?

[Coder]

Ok, that still doesn't answer my question (as far as solid reasoning). Also, why aren't you a suspect? What's your reasoning there?

I guess the reasoning is that of every other person displaying a list of suspects.. you'll always display yourself as a good guy :)

[Schmidty]

I guess the reasoning is that of every other person displaying a list of suspects.. you'll always display yourself as a good guy :)

Hehe. :)

[kingfc22]

I miss Blade already. Not only did he save my life, but he added a lot of discussion to the game.

VOTE TANGLEWOOD

His RPI vote just stikes me as very odd and his play up to this point as noted by Lathum as been scetchy at best.

[Coder]

Anyway, the force is strong in this one..

Vote Tanglewood

[Coder]

To be honest I don't think that any of today's votes will serve as any basis for analysis in the future. I think that the ninjas know that voting on anyone else this time around will only make them look bad because the pile-on for Tangle is so substantial. They're sacrificing him.. (if he is a ninja that is ;))

[Desnudo]

Ok, that still doesn't answer my question (as far as solid reasoning). Also, why aren't you a suspect? What's your reasoning there?

I think it makes lot of sense, unless you think it's more likely that all the remaining ninjas voted for AlanT yesterday.

If we assume that there are three ninjas left (might be one more, might be one less, unlikely to be more than 4 or less than 2), then the pool of non-AlanT voters is most likely to contain at least two of the ninjas. I find that scenario a lot more probable than one where the majority of the remaining ninjas voted for AlanT.

You belong to that pool of non-AlanT voters, hence on the list.

[Desnudo]

As for me not being a suspect, I drove the discussion on getting KWhit to reveal his role. If I had been a wolf, I would have let KWhit die without a fuss, as he apparently planned to do. I immediately changed my vote to AlanT after KWhit revealed.

[kingfc22]

As for me not being a suspect, I drove the discussion on getting KWhit to reveal his role. If I had been a wolf, I would have let KWhit die without a fuss, as he apparently planned to do. I immediately changed my vote to AlanT after KWhit revealed.
Well, that is true and all. But if you were a ninja you would know that Alan was the brutal wolf/ninja and could get someone to reveal a valuable role knowing he would die right away without ever making it to the night phase. If he had said his role was something not as important you could easily of stayed on KWhit and killed him off normally. Now you "look" like a samurai since you led the switch onto Alan, knowing full well that you would take the seer out right away without any risk to being viewed at night.

[tanglewood]

I'm torn in two minds as whether to stay up for the lynch. On the one hand it's a forgone conclusion I'm going down so why bother, on the other I am peversely looking forward to seeing the reactions from everyone when it turns out I'm a samurai. Some player's reactions more than others especially....

[Desnudo]

Well, that is true and all. But if you were a ninja you would know that Alan was the brutal wolf/ninja and could get someone to reveal a valuable role knowing he would die right away without ever making it to the night phase. If he had said his role was something not as important you could easily of stayed on KWhit and killed him off normally. Now you "look" like a samurai since you led the switch onto Alan, knowing full well that you would take the seer out right away without any risk to being viewed at night.

Of course I look like a samurai since I tried to keep KWhit alive. Probability, as a samurai was 100% in favor of voting the unknown, AlanT, rather than the known, KWhit. If everyone had followed my lead, Blade would likely be alive. We'd have an extra villager right now.

[RPI-Fan]

I don't like tanglewood, but I also want to lay some groundwork for tomorrow. I'm as clueless as anyone else about what happened on the first day, but king's last post just reeks of ninja to me.

VOTE KINGFC22

[Schmidty]

What are the votes as of right now?

[RPI-Fan]

What are the votes as of right now?

Don't have an official count, but I believe I was the first non-twood vote.

[hoopsguy]

Home from work, I'll compile the votes now and post a count.

[Schmidty]

Is this Tanglewood's first WW game?

[Eaglesfan27]

My wife is upset at me for "ignoring" her last night. She works late for the next 3 nights (weekends are busiest at the restaurant) and we won't get much time together. So, I'm off the board for a few hours, but I doubt there are any last minute revelations that would change my vote. I'll be back after she goes to sleep.

[hoopsguy]

I show 13 votes - don't think I double-counted anyone, so that would be everyone on the books.

Tanglewood (11) - Qwikshot (1596), Grammaticus (1597), Mustang (1598), TazFTW (1601), Desnudo (1603), Lathum (1611), Mr. Wednesday (1614), Schmidty (1615), Eaglesfan (1620), Kingfc (1626), Coder (1627)
Grammaticus (1) - Tanglewood (1600)
King (1) - RPI (1634)

[tanglewood]

Is this Tanglewood's first WW game?

My first on this board, third overall IIRC and both those others were a while ago. Yes, my inexperience has probably lead to me being a pretty crappy samurai, unless some of my accusations hit, which they may well have. I guess that'll be something for you guys to debate tommorow.

This will probably be my last post before my lynch, so I will leave you all with a few thoughts/ramblings. I think Grammaticus is very supicious. Firstly, the actions of dubb early in the game were very odd and lead most everyone here to think him a possibly ninja, especially seeing as Blade is now confirmed good guy. Carrying on from that, Gramm's switching to vote for me when I was tied with Lathum on the day two lynch was odd. Perhaps Lathum (someone else whom I suspect, as do/did many others obviously due to his blanket attempt to clear all those who voted with him on day 1 and further vociferous defence) is a ninja and Gramm wanted to make sure I was lynched? This obviously makes little sense unless the ninja couldn't agree between themselves, as AlanT levelled it up anyway. So perhaps AlanT, who it is quite clear now levelled it up in order to attempt to gain respect of the village, and Gramm somehow planned a mini-fracas? Gramm criticised AlanT afterwards rather heavily, but didn't vote for him on day 3, instead voting for KWhit and not even moving off him prior to Kwhit being cleared. Gramm has now voted for a good guy every day so far (as has Schmidty, but I suspect him less so).

The other player I suspect heavily is TazFTW, both for his voting record and his action, or lack of it rather. It seems he is currently being the ultimate under the radar guy.

[tanglewood]

dola

Post Counts Up To This Point

User Name Posts
Blade6119 345 ------ Killed Night 3
Desnudo 109
Mustang 109
KWhit 97 --- Lynched/Killed Day 3
SirFozzie 95 --- Lynched Day 1
Eaglesfan27 92
dubb93 83 --- Replaced Day 1
Alan T 73 --- Lynched Day 3
Coder 66
RPI-Fan 56
Lathum 54
saldana 52 --- Killed Day 3
hoopsguy 49 -- Mod
Schmidty 49
kingfc22 48
tanglewood 47
Qwikshot 42
PackerFanatic 39 --- Killed Night 2
Mr. Wednesday 35
Grammaticus 30 --- Joined Late Day 1 (IIRC)
path12 20 --- Killed Night 2
ardent enthusiast 17 -- not even playing!!!
TazFTW 15
Barkeep49 4
Neon_Chaos 4
st.cronin 3
Raiders Army 3
Coffee Warlord 2
Brillig 1
SnDvls 1
WVUFAN 1

[RPI-Fan]

My badguy shortlist at this point (roughly in order):

TazTFW
kingfc22
tanglewood
Schmidty
Mustang


UNVOTE KINGFC22

VOTE TAZTFW

[tanglewood]

Double dola

It's dangerous to compare this game to previous games (is it even allowed? If not I will delete/edit this post just PM me Hoops) but for this it's the only real way to do quantifiable analysis.

WW XXI (this game) -- 33 pages, TazFTW 15 posts
WW XX -- 50 pages, TazFTW 42 posts
WW XIX -- 44 pages, TazFTW 52 posts
WW XVII -- 13 pages, TazFTW 11 posts

Taz is usually a quiet player, but he is certainly being even quieter than usuall in this game.

[hoopsguy]

Tanglewood, comparisons to previous games are only natural - your basis of an opinion for every player is influenced by their body of work, including the present game. More importantly, there is nothing in here that is attacking TazFTW personally which is where 'meta-game' strife usually starts.

No problem with this comment at all.

[Schmidty]

My first on this board, third overall IIRC and both those others were a while ago. Yes, my inexperience has probably lead to me being a pretty crappy samurai, unless some of my accusations hit, which they may well have. I guess that'll be something for you guys to debate tommorow.

This will probably be my last post before my lynch, so I will leave you all with a few thoughts/ramblings. I think Grammaticus is very supicious. Firstly, the actions of dubb early in the game were very odd and lead most everyone here to think him a possibly ninja, especially seeing as Blade is now confirmed good guy. Carrying on from that, Gramm's switching to vote for me when I was tied with Lathum on the day two lynch was odd. Perhaps Lathum (someone else whom I suspect, as do/did many others obviously due to his blanket attempt to clear all those who voted with him on day 1 and further vociferous defence) is a ninja and Gramm wanted to make sure I was lynched? This obviously makes little sense unless the ninja couldn't agree between themselves, as AlanT levelled it up anyway. So perhaps AlanT, who it is quite clear now levelled it up in order to attempt to gain respect of the village, and Gramm somehow planned a mini-fracas? Gramm criticised AlanT afterwards rather heavily, but didn't vote for him on day 3, instead voting for KWhit and not even moving off him prior to Kwhit being cleared. Gramm has now voted for a good guy every day so far (as has Schmidty, but I suspect him less so).

The other player I suspect heavily is TazFTW, both for his voting record and his action, or lack of it rather. It seems he is currently being the ultimate under the radar guy.

I was actually asking you the question because I wanted to have a reason to clear you. I'm still considering it, but switching now when things seem so decided, I don't think I will. As far as me voting for "good guys" every time, have you been paying attention? First, I voted for Dubb, not SirFozzie (a Samurai). Other than that, I've voted for you. If you're a Samurai, sure I'll feel bad for making a mistake (along with the rest of the majority), but to say that I've voted for a "good guy" every time, is just ridiculous.

I think you are either a desperate ninja, or a lazy samurai.

[RPI-Fan]

I was actually asking you the question because I wanted to have a reason to clear you. I'm still considering it, but switching now when things seem so decided, I don't think I will...

Just want to point how how hypocritical this statement is...

[Schmidty]

Just want to point how how hypocritical this statement is...

Ok, just vote for me then.

This game has been way to "emotional" so far. I'm not pointing fingers, but I think the above people know what I'm talking about.

[tanglewood]

Schmidty, sorry I made a mistake re: the voting for good guys thing. It was TazFTW who along with Grammaticus has only voted for good guys, including me as a good guy obviously.

I simply misread one of my earlier posts. An honest mistake, sorry.

Edit: You can easily tell it's a mistake as I am saying dubb/gramm is my prime suspect, so why would I then accuse you of voting for only good guys when you voted for him? You reaction is interesting however...

[Schmidty]

You reaction is interesting however...

Ok. How would anyone react?

[RPI-Fan]

Ok, just vote for me then.

This game has been way to "emotional" so far. I'm not pointing fingers, but I think the above people know what I'm talking about.

So, you call me puss for doing the exact same thing you're doing today (which I think is a legit, decent play), and now call me "emotional"?

:rolleyes:

[Schmidty]

So, you call me puss for doing the exact same thing you're doing today (which I think is a legit, decent play), and now call me "emotional"?

:rolleyes:

When did I call you a puss? I don't recall, although might have happened.

As an aside, the whole rolleyes thing in WW is so...........silly to me. Anyway, I have no desire to get into a fight with you, since AI know have a certain "effect" on players and players that have quit these games. I think. Not sure. Blah.

[RPI-Fan]

When did I call you a puss? I don't recall, although might have happened.

As an aside, the whole rolleyes thing in WW is so...........silly to me. Anyway, I have no desire to get into a fight with you, since AI know have a certain "effect" on players and players that have quit these games. I think. Not sure. Blah.

Given the happenings from Day 1 (re: dubb), I think it's safe to say I'm the last person that would quit these game. :)

Let me look up the puss comment, will post it soon...

[Desnudo]

A short history of the game so far, by AlanT. Thank you so much for your verbosity.


Ok my notables that I see so far from day 1 are:

-Sirfozzie starts the first run, and starts the questionable kill the old player plan.
-RPI has voted and unvoted 2 different times already, and now has his vote on a new player who is totally unrelated to all of the current debates and votes/runs.
-Schmidty starts a second run on Dubb.
-Blade starts a run on Sirfozzie (likely in retaliation to Sirfozzie's strategy).
-kwhit starts a new run on blade
-qwikshot and path later on throw a few votes on kingfc

A list of people who seem to be toss on votes on various people:
On fozzie - tanglewood, saldana, packerfan, kingfc
on blade - lathum, sirfozzie , tazftw

There are a large handful of people who have remained for the most part relatively quiet and behind the scenes too. Usually those are the people i am the most afraid of.

Im not sure who the bodyguard should protect. Im guessing if this is like past games, probably one of the more experienced/valuable players. Of course saying that on here would make it pointless since then they would just be avoided...

As for the seer... My list of people I am most worried about right now are:

Mustang - Im not a big fan of people who dont vote, as voting patterns are all we have to go on at times. Its understandable if something comes up, but he was in the thread and responded and still didnt vote.

Rpi - has seemed a bit hostle and started a totally different run , staying out of the way of anyone likely to be lynched. Likely trying to keep his voting record spotless.

Blade and Dubb - well for obvious reasons, they were the main people who confonted fozzie. Like I said before, I dont honestly think these two are ninjas, but Dubb has fooled me before.

taz and kwhit - both were lump on votes on blade after the fozzie bandwagon started. Since fozzie was a villager I don't think this is a huge deal though at this point.

tanglewood, saldana, packerfan and king - all lumped on votes on fozzie.


At least thats the group I am starting with to try to figure out. Its tough with only one day of votes, maybe tommorrow will clear up more for me.

I hope he wasn't the seer. I still think the way he kept hinting yesterday about who the bodyguard should guard, and that we likely have a bodyguard and such that he was hinting to his role. (I am hoping at least he was not the seer). If this is true, then it sounds like he was killed protecting king last night.

I guess I wonder if Blade can still post or not like has been said, I was hoping for some feedback from him to what his role was and what he was doing to try to expand my circle of trust some today before going down a path of likely choices.

Before this morning's news I think I was leaning torwards what Grammaticus said for Mustang, but now I have some of the similar questions that Saldana brought up about Qwikshot. he did not really give us a good explanation for what he was doing with Blade. I guess right now either way I would like to wait a bit to give Blade a chance to talk if he still is able to.

With the night events, my list feels a little more refined to me. Still a large group of people who I am curious about, and Im guessing there might be a ninja that isnt on here that slid their vote elsewhere. If I am to assume blade, Qwik and king are all good, that refines my list I am curious about to:

Mustang, rpi, grammaticus (based on dubb's actions), taz, kwhit, Lathum, tanglewood, saldana and packerfan. I know thats a little over half of the untrusted villagers. Im hoping in the next night or two I can refine this even a little more.

Right now I think Im leaning torwards voting Mustang primarily for the reasons Grammaticus said, but am waiting a bit to see if anyone else has any info from their night actions that might sway us some.

Hmm, I'm still tempted to vote for Mustang, but relying alot on Blade's gut instincts as well as what I was thinking, I'll throw my early vote out a different way for now. (I don't really want to start a bandwagon on Mustang before anyone else even has any votes.)

So to start for now, I'll

VOTE TAZFTW

Primarily for now going on someone who earlier yesterday just slid in a vote on someone who was rather meaningless votewise at the time, yet still part of the day's main debate. He later came back after the lynch with an explanation that mimiced a few other people's for the most part. That is what put him on my suspicious list (that and him remaining pretty quiet). I'll vote him though based on my suspicions as well as Blade's feelings about him. For the record, this vote could easily have been on Kwhit, Lathum, Mustang or a few others that I have about the same level of lack of confidence in right now. I'm not solid on this and if someone comes out with information damning someone else, I wouldnt have any problems moving it.

Are you saying this because you are in this list too? :)

I understand what you are saying, that is something commonly done. Thats why i tried to find a few people who I had a handful of actions that i did not like (beyond just who they voted for) and picked one to vote for now. Even though while I don't have my vote currently on Mustang, he was definitly near the top of that list, and I almost did vote for him too.

UNVOTE TAZFTW
VOTE TANGLEWOOD

Im doubting mustang is a ninja, but could be wrong. Out of the three Tanglewood has seemed the most likely to me to be a ninja based on just today's activity (votes away from him, etc)

Its I have no idea on who to go with lathum or tanglewood, and at the time lathum was ahead of tanglewood. I didnt feel comfortable putting lathum far in the lead, so wanted to keep it closer to tied to try to put more heat on people longer. If Tangle was leading at the time, I likely would have gone with Lathum.

UNVOTE Tanglewood
VOTE Mustang

Saving Tanglewood, also potentially screwing Lathum

Well, I'm not sure how anyone can know before hand that there were no tiebreakers, but it looks like i unfortunatly tied myself to tanglewood (who i had actually voted for earlier) by doing this. I guess now I better hope tanglewood ends up being a samurai, or I am toast too.

Clearly he thought Tangle getting killed would id as a samurai, clearing him.

I took a chance there, I'll admit it. Like I said, if tanglewood ends up being a ninja, then I really don't have a great defense other than no one was speaking against trying for a tie at the time, it seemed like what at least the vocal majority wanted, and I had no idea there wouldn't be a tie (which would have been the case if I was a ninja too). If tanglewood ends up being a ninja , then I probably would vote for myself too :(

Sorry, I have been away most of the day. If learning anything last game, I know defending myself non stop is only more likely to get me dead.

as I see it right now, a few logical patterns come out to me..

If tanglewood is a ninja, you could make a good guess either Im a samurai who made a horrible mistake or I am a ninja also.

If Lathum is a ninja, you could probably also look at Grammaticus being a ninja.

If mustang is a ninja, you could probably look closer at Kwhit.

Right now, I'm not sure if any of the people above are ninjas, and I think Blade is right about them wanting to keep us guessing at who in this group to target, thats why they didn't kill anyone in the group thats already known. They want to keep the status quo so to speak.

Some observations I am looking at, Qwikshot seems pretty confident that the ninjas were not responsible for one of the two deaths last night. I'm guessing that Qwik you are our vigillente? If so, you would know which one of the two you targeted which would help us look closer at the one the ninjas killed, to figure out if that leads us anywhere. Or was that just a guess on your part?

While I still do not have any idea if Tanglewood or Lathum are ninjas, I obviously have tied my living to hoping that Tanglewood is not a ninja. I think looking in a different direction today is probably good, and I think Blade had some good comments. for now, I will

VOTE kingfc22

I'm back now for most of the night I'll be checking in. Right now I see it that I lead the vote. I wish I had some better defense, other than I'll learn my lesson about tying votes this way. At the time, there were 10 people in the forum reading, and only 1 person showed visible reason not to want a tie (Grammaticus with his vote). Most everyone else seemed for it or not sure what it would buy and was asking queestions.

Since Blade was our only trusted villager at the time, I mainly was following his lead there. That said, Im not going to vote for kwhit, i don't really think he is a ninja.. and people don't seem to be jumping on my thoughts about king possibly being bad. So I'll switch my vote to someone else who I think is sliding waaaay under the radar and has other support from kwhit. This might be my undoing tonight by not voting "in self - preservation" but I don't think saving one samurai (me) by putting another samurai (kwhit) to death buys us much.

Also this way if I get voted to die, my innocense should clear Tanglewood as well hopefully. (not entirely clear him, but would make him less obviously a lynch choice.)

anyways

UNVOTE Kingfc22
VOTE RPI-fan

Confused about the vote count, thinks he’s going to live.

Tommorrow I think our first two targets have to be Eaglesfan and Tanglewood. To analyze their prior votes.

I think kwhit won by either 2 or 3 votes. Just going off my head, without looking back for sure

After reviewing Alan's generous postings, people I'm nearly positive are samurai:

Tanglewood
RPI
Mustang
Lathum
Qwik
Taz
Gramm
Eaglesfan

Probably a samurai:

KingFC

Peope alive, but never mentioned by AlanT:

Desnudo
Mr. W
Schmidty
Coder

I know that I'm a samurai. And I know that Coder is a samurai. Mr. W and Schmidty, please take a step forward and claim your prize!

Unvote Tanglewood

Vote Schmidty

[Blade6119]

dola

Post Counts Up To This Point

User Name Posts
Blade6119 345 ------ Killed Night 3
Desnudo 109
Mustang 109
KWhit 97 --- Lynched/Killed Day 3
SirFozzie 95 --- Lynched Day 1
Eaglesfan27 92
dubb93 83 --- Replaced Day 1
Alan T 73 --- Lynched Day 3
Coder 66
RPI-Fan 56
Lathum 54
saldana 52 --- Killed Day 3
hoopsguy 49 -- Mod
Schmidty 49
kingfc22 48
tanglewood 47
Qwikshot 42
PackerFanatic 39 --- Killed Night 2
Mr. Wednesday 35
Grammaticus 30 --- Joined Late Day 1 (IIRC)
path12 20 --- Killed Night 2
ardent enthusiast 17 -- not even playing!!!
TazFTW 15
Barkeep49 4
Neon_Chaos 4
st.cronin 3
Raiders Army 3
Coffee Warlord 2
Brillig 1
SnDvls 1
WVUFAN 1
Thats priceless..with out hoops playing i blow everyone away in posts...if i come back for next game you better keep pace buddy ;)

[Blade6119]

A short history of the game so far, by AlanT. Thank you so much for your verbosity.

Saving Tanglewood, also potentially screwing Lathum

Clearly he thought Tangle getting killed would id as a samurai, clearing him.

Confused about the vote count, thinks he’s going to live.

After reviewing Alan's generous postings, people I'm nearly positive are samurai:

Tanglewood
RPI
Mustang
Lathum
Qwik
Taz
Gramm
Eaglesfan

Probably a samurai:

KingFC

Peope alive, but never mentioned by AlanT:

Desnudo
Mr. W
Schmidty
Coder

I know that I'm a samurai. And I know that Coder is a samurai. Mr. W and Schmidty, please take a step forward and claim your prize!

Unvote Tanglewood

Vote Schmidty
As an observer, not commenting at all on the validity of those statements, that looks like that took some time to gather. Hopefully you keep that analyzation skill next game i play with ya :)

[RPI-Fan]

Unbelievable. I have no words right now. If you'd like to vote somebody, then be a man and vote for him instead of following someone who you have no idea what role he has. Seems wierd.

Unvote Tanglewood

Vote RPI


Post #1400.

[RPI-Fan]

Good work Desnudo!

Reviewing it now...

[Desnudo]

As an observer, not commenting at all on the validity of those statements, that looks like that took some time to gather. Hopefully you keep that analyzation skill next game i play with ya :)

Thanks, although you may not want that if I turn out to be completely wrong.

It actually didn't take all that long, just cutting and pasting AlanT's posts. Now I know why it pays to keep your mouth shut as a bad guy. Of course if either Schmidty and Mr. W turn out all right, then the whole thing is questionable. I am nearly positive at least one of them is a bad guy though.

[RPI-Fan]

I'd prefer to off Mr. W tonight, but to have any hope of getting a one of the two guys Desnudo has so thoroughly pointed out, I'm going to:

UNVOTE TAZTFW

VOTE SCHMIDTY

[Desnudo]

As a supporting argument, back to back posts:

Ok, I'd prefer to vote Schmidty tonight, but want to preserve my self here so will go with Alan T, as he's someone I have a fair amount of suspicion (sp?) about.

VOTE ALAN T

Unbelievable. I have no words right now. If you'd like to vote somebody, then be a man and vote for him instead of following someone who you have no idea what role he has. Seems wierd.

Unvote Tanglewood

Vote RPI

[Blade6119]

Thanks, although you may not want that if I turn out to be completely wrong.

It actually didn't take all that long, just cutting and pasting AlanT's posts. Now I know why it pays to keep your mouth shut as a bad guy. Of course if either Schmidty and Mr. W turn out all right, then the whole thing is questionable. I am nearly positive at least one of them is a bad guy though.
I cant really comment either way since it would be cheating...all im saying is it looks like it took time and i hope you do in it future games, regardless of whether or not your right here.

[Desnudo]

I'd prefer to off Mr. W tonight, but to have any hope of getting a one of the two guys Desnudo has so thoroughly pointed out, I'm going to:

UNVOTE TAZTFW

VOTE SCHMIDTY

I'm not attached to either one, so if the consensus is for Mr. W, then I'm fine with that. Unfortunately it may be too late to do anything about Tangle now.

[tanglewood]

I'm not attached to either one, so if the consensus is for Mr. W, then I'm fine with that. Unfortunately it may be too late to do anything about Tangle now.

Great work Desnudo. :cool:

I'm with RPI in that I'd prefer to go Mr. W than Schmidty.

Unvote Grammaticus

Vote Mr. Wednesday

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'd prefer to off Mr. W tonight, but to have any hope of getting a one of the two guys Desnudo has so thoroughly pointed out, I'm going to:You always want to off me, and you're wrong a lot more often than you're right -- I count one instance of the latter in the games we've played since we were both bad guys (the outlaws game).

Considering that I've cast one throwaway vote, two indeterminate votes, and one vote on a ninja, I'm not sure what more I can do. That's a pretty damn good strike rate at this point in the game. Not that it should necessarily sway you, but I seem to get attacked when I vote poorly, and now I'm getting attacked for voting well.

[Desnudo]

Great work Desnudo. :cool:

I'm with RPI in that I'd prefer to go Mr. W than Schmidty.

Unvote Grammaticus

Vote Mr. Wednesday

As a thought, there may not be time, and I see RPI is gone. You may want to make that Schmidty.

[tanglewood]

As a thought, there may not be time, and I see RPI is gone. You may want to make that Schmidty.

With 20 mins left, probably not.

Unvote Mr. W

Vote Schmidty

[hoopsguy]

Not 20 minutes, but an hour and 20 minutes. Deadline is 10PM CST.

[Schmidty]

Man, you guys are burying yourselves. I am a samurai. If I end up dying, you are toeast. I think that the fact that you voted for me, tells me that you are basically clueless samurai. I hope we win, but at the same time (in a small way), I hope that I am voted out and vindicated.

I am so sick of being a villager (which sounds bad of course). It's been awhile since I've been able to DO something other than A) Fuck things up or B) Be silent and lynched unfairly.

It's all good, and it's my own fault this time. I haven't been active, and for some reason, don't have the energy to read 800 posts a day. I'm sure that'll change, but it might have to be next time.

[RPI-Fan]

Two things:

1)We have 1h:15min left (75 minutes total).

2) I'm here until the deadline, just in-and-out of the thread.

[tanglewood]

Not 20 minutes, but an hour and 20 minutes. Deadline is 10PM CST.

Well in that case I'm off to bed. I hope I'm still alive when I wake up.





And still being in the WW game would be nice also.

[RPI-Fan]

I'd rather go Mr. W tonight:

UNVOTE SCHMIDTY

VOTE MR. W

[Desnudo]

deadline is 9 CST is it not?

[Desnudo]

Unvote Schmidty

Vote Mr. W

[tanglewood]

Two things:

1)We have 1h:15min left (75 minutes total).

2) I'm here until the deadline, just in-and-out of the thread.

Hooray.

Unvote Schmidty
Vote Mr. Wednesday

[RPI-Fan]

deadline is 9 CST is it not?

10pm CST (11pm EST) as per the thread title.

[Desnudo]

Thanks.

[Desnudo]

Man, you guys are burying yourselves. I am a samurai. If I end up dying, you are toeast. I think that the fact that you voted for me, tells me that you are basically clueless samurai. I hope we win, but at the same time (in a small way), I hope that I am voted out and vindicated.

I am so sick of being a villager (which sounds bad of course). It's been awhile since I've been able to DO something other than A) Fuck things up or B) Be silent and lynched unfairly.

It's all good, and it's my own fault this time. I haven't been active, and for some reason, don't have the energy to read 800 posts a day. I'm sure that'll change, but it might have to be next time.

Have you ever tried C) helping? Somewhere in all that complaining and threatening might be a defense, but I don't see one.

[Schmidty]

Have you ever tried C) helping? Somewhere in all that complaining and threatening might be a defense, but I don't see one.

Look at my record in most of the games I've ever played. I got burned in the last game, and this game depressed, so I haven't "researched" as much, but that doesn't mean I'm not going that I'm not going to defend myself when wrongly confused.

[Desnudo]

Look at my record in most of the games I've ever played. I got burned in the last game, and this game depressed, so I haven't "researched" as much, but that doesn't mean I'm not going that I'm not going to defend myself when wrongly confused.

Yes, well I got lumped in with you as one of the dumbest WW players ever, so I know how it feels.

[RPI-Fan]

Well, our last hour effort to move to Mr. W. appears unsuccessful.

I will be surprised if tanglewood is a bad guy.

[Poli]

tick...tick...tick

[Schmidty]

tick...tick...tick

Vote Ardent Enthusiast

;)

[Poli]

lol

[Mustang]

Haven't been around at all today but, nice analysis Desnudo. Didn't realize that Alan T had brought be up that much. Knowing what I know about myself seems like a logical choice he might have avoided other Ninja.

Unvote Tanglewood
Vote Mr. W

[Alan T]

The endings are just so less exciting with me dead!

[hoopsguy]

Think we are past the time now - usually have someone posting near the deadline to keep me from sending the post to check the timestamp.

Results coming up in a minute ...

[Mr. Wednesday]

Well, whatever my opinions on Tanglewood, I certainly wasn't going to change my vote once the late push towards me started. For better or worse, about the only way I don't protect myself is if a seer or bodyguard or the like is at stake.

[Grammaticus]

Well, whatever my opinions on Tanglewood, I certainly wasn't going to change my vote once the late push towards me started. For better or worse, about the only way I don't protect myself is if a seer or bodyguard or the like is at stake.
Did you want to change your vote?

[Desnudo]

To drum up some excitement for Barkeep, I will be revealing some additional information after the vote.

[hoopsguy]

A spooky silence seems to have fallen across the dusty land with the death of Blade. Many of you thought you would welcome the peace and quiet, but it just seems to magnify the sound of the funeral pyre burning in the distance.

The samurai seem nearly united in their suspicion of Tanglewood early in the day and no meaningful resistance is ever mounted to overturn the vote. Tanglewood's shoulders sag as he sees the great Chuck Norris make his way before the group.

"Tanglewood, it is time to embrace your destiny. Come show your mettle!" With that, Tanglewood nods, discards his katana, and leaps at Chuck, his foot aimed squarely at his head.

Chuck actually appears to be in danger, as he had turned his back and was rotating his head in some form of stretching exercise. Tanglewood clips his head, lands on his feet, and bounces in place in perfect balance. Chuck smiles, and encourages his opponent to re-engage.

Tanglewood is clearly a skilled combatant, but his true expertise is with the katana. So why has he elected to go hand-to-hand with Chuck Norris? What kind of a death wish does this man have? Chuck does not seem to be in a hurry to end this one, as punches and kicks are exchanged over the course of about three minutes. The difference is that Chuck hits like a brick shithouse while Tanglewood isn't really capable of messing up Chuck's hair.

Eventually, Chuck decides that he has seen enough. "Tanglewood, you fight bravely. You die a samurai." With that, he ducks under the swing of a beaten man and places a choke hold upon him that sucks the life from him.

"Time grows short for the samurai - I have no desire to deliver the item to the ninja clan, but you are forcing my hand. You are supposed to be the next generation to defend our people, but instead you are duped by second rate warriors and third rate deception."

Chuck looks pissed as he walks off into the night.

A search of Tanglewood's quarters reveal nothing of interest. You all conclude it would be best to take Chuck at his word that Tanglewood was an honorable, if undistinguished, samurai.

Night 4 is underway - please send in your night actions. Deadline for tomorrow is 10PM. I expect that we would hold off on play for the weekend, but if people have availability over the weekend let me know ...

[saldana]

please stand by while Hoops writes "War and Peace, the werewolf edition".....come on, some of us are blowing off work waiting for this!! ;)

[RPI-Fan]

I'm definitely available and up for (and in fact would prefer, as it's the best time for me to be around) play on the weekends.

[RPI-Fan]

My shortlist for now (roughly in order):

Mr. W.
Schmidty
kingfc22

[Alan T]

"Time grows short for the samurai - I have no desire to deliver the item to the ninja clan, but you are forcing my hand. You are supposed to be the next generation to defend our people, but instead you are duped by second rate warriors and third rate deception."



I am clearly a third rate warrior with second rate deception! I take offense!

[Eaglesfan27]

Desnudo, I think post 1654 has some very solid analysis. I wish my wife hadn't dragged me away, I would have changed my vote.

[Eaglesfan27]

Just caught up. It sucks that we lost another Samurai. What was the final tally? I'm sorry that real life took me away from the game. I hope my vote wasn't a deciding factor. Anyway, the good news is that Mrs. Eaglesfan has to work late the next 3 nights, so that won't be a problem again. I would definitely prefer to play through the weekend, but understand if that doesn't work for everyone.

[Schmidty]

My shortlist for now (roughly in order):

Mr. W.
Schmidty
kingfc22

Just kill me.

I am seriously offiially done. This is the worst game I've ever played and I'm sorry, but I have no desire to defend myself. Especially against certain classless people.

[Desnudo]

A little about my role, now that I've gotten all that I'm going to from it. I am favored by Chuck Norris and therefore, additional information on two night kills, one kill per day, was made available to me, as well as some answers to my questions around those kills. I decided to investigate the double murder of packersfanatic and path12 as I'm pretty sure everyone knows Blade was a ninja kill.

1. Path12 was murdered by a ninja. No special role. Not killed by AlanT. He was murdered because the ninjas thought he was the seer due to misinterpreting information provided to them (I'm assuming they have an anti-seer). His body was butchered with over 100 cuts.

2. PackerFanatic, a samurai, was killed by another samurai who thought he was a ninja. The samurai who did this has lost the ability. If this samurai can come forward, then please do. There is nothing lost by doing it and we can clear another samurai. I know several unrevealed details that I can use to confirm.

3. Blade was blinded by AlanT. As much as it pains me to say it, and I'm sure it will boost his ego even higher, Blade was an incredibly powerful samurai and it took two ninja to subdue him. This was unusual as the ninja usually hunt alone.

As you can see, mainly backstory rather than anything useful. Except that we can clear another samurai if the one that attacked PackerFanatic comes forward.

[hoopsguy]

Final vote tally:
Tanglewood (9) - Qwikshot (1596), Grammaticus (1597), TazFTW (1601), Lathum (1611), Mr. Wednesday (1614), Schmidty (1615), Eaglesfan (1620), Kingfc (1626), Coder (1627)
Mr. Wednesday (4) - RPI (1672), Desnudo (1674), Tanglewood (1675), Mustang (1685)

[Blade6119]

Just kill me.

I am seriously offiially done. This is the worst game I've ever played and I'm sorry, but I have no desire to defend myself. Especially against certain classless people.
Schmidty...i havent noticed anything he has said to you that was too bad....what he did in regard to dubb was classless, but try and play the game and get the ninjas. We dont have any replacements that im aware of, unless you can bring back packers...

[saldana]

I am clearly a third rate warrior with second rate deception! I take offense!

yes.....you are.....you attack with no honor, and kill under the cover of darkness. you never could have defeated a Kurosawa Samurai if you fought with honor. honorable Kurosawa knew you were filthy Ninja on first day.

[path12]

1. Path12 was murdered by a ninja. No special role. Not killed by AlanT. He was murdered because the ninjas thought he was the seer due to misinterpreting information provided to them (I'm assuming they have an anti-seer). His body was butchered with over 100 cuts.

Ouch.

[Eaglesfan27]

Final vote tally:
Tanglewood (9) - Qwikshot (1596), Grammaticus (1597), TazFTW (1601), Lathum (1611), Mr. Wednesday (1614), Schmidty (1615), Eaglesfan (1620), Kingfc (1626), Coder (1627)
Mr. Wednesday (4) - RPI (1672), Desnudo (1674), Tanglewood (1675), Mustang (1685)

Thanks, I'm glad to know that my absence wasn't an important factor tonight.

[Desnudo]

Well, I could pretend that I didn't read all the posts on this page, but that would be silly. So yeah, I think I've got a pretty good idea on who the second ninja was too.

[Schmidty]

schmidty, sorry to hear things arent going well in the real world, but you really should take that down. standard rule, no complete PM's in the thread, hope things turn out ok OOG

take take yours down. I thought we could do whatever we had to do strategy wise

[hoopsguy]

Schmidty - sent you a PM on this. But I'm OK with it staying up or coming down - whatever you want to do. In general I don't like seeing posts taken down after they are posted when some people have the advantage of having read them.

Hope that the personal life starts treating you a little better.

[saldana]

take take yours down. I thought we could do whatever we had to do strategy wise

no prob, i dropped mine too, not trying to fight at all, and i really do hope things are ok for you.

[hoopsguy]

<WATCHES post ... and haunches the by Schmidty?s grabs Saldana as horror in ....<WATCHES mounts>Hoospguy watches in horror as Saldana grabs Schmidty's post by the haunches and

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[Blade6119]

take take yours down. I thought we could do whatever we had to do strategy wise
You can paraphrase PMs, not direct copies....though i havent heared anyone say that was the same PM they got, so maybe you did...or maybe you didnt....or maybe i did...or maybe chuck norris did...or maybe sirfozzie did....you know him and his pranks ;)

Basically, the rule is dont post exact PMs, but i havent heared anyone confirm that was one(i had bodyguard so i have no idea)

[saldana]

it looked almost exactly like mine.

[Schmidty]

You can paraphrase PMs, not direct copies....though i havent heared anyone say that was the same PM they got, so maybe you did...or maybe you didnt....or maybe i did...or maybe chuck norris did...or maybe sirfozzie did....you know him and his pranks ;)

Basically, the rule is dont post exact PMs, but i havent heared anyone confirm that was one(i had bodyguard so i have no idea)

I honestly dislike you.

You are dead, so shut the fuck up. You don't know anything about anything.

[Schmidty]

I feel horrible and I want to quit. I feel like I cheated (for whatever reasons), and I think I should be replaced.

[Mustang]

2. PackerFanatic, a samurai, was killed by another samurai who thought he was a ninja. The samurai who did this has lost the ability. If this samurai can come forward, then please do. There is nothing lost by doing it and we can clear another samurai. I know several unrevealed details that I can use to confirm.

3. Blade was blinded by AlanT. As much as it pains me to say it, and I'm sure it will boost his ego even higher, Blade was an incredibly powerful samurai and it took two ninja to subdue him. This was unusual as the ninja usually hunt alone.


#2 was not me.

#3, do you mean injure him that first night or kill him? If injure him then I have some followup notes to post.

[Blade6119]

I honestly dislike you.

You are dead, so shut the fuck up. You don't know anything about anything.
I think you should get some rest...i hope all your personal issues work out for the best schmidty

[Mustang]

I'd probably prefer to not play through the weekend.. Given that Sunday is the Super Bowl and I might have to go somewhere else to watch it given that my Directv is on the fritz... :mad: (Think I have it narrowed down to the LNB being bad)

[TazFTW]

#2 was not me.

#3, do you mean injure him that first night or kill him? If injure him then I have some followup notes to post.
#2 Also not me. I did not have the power to kill. Heck, I don't even have a weapon.

[Desnudo]

#2 was not me.

#3, do you mean injure him that first night or kill him? If injure him then I have some followup notes to post.

Injure him the first night.

[Eaglesfan27]

#2 Also not me. I did not have the power to kill. Heck, I don't even have a weapon.
You don't have a weapon? I thought all of us Samurai had swords. I know I do. However, I did not do #2.

[Mustang]

Injure him the first night.

I had thought 2 people the first night but, there was only one burn area.

Powder I believe could have been used in one of 2 ways, either to mask a getaway or blind Blade so he could be attacked. I would lean more toward the first just because the Ninja used a garotte so.. it was a sneak attack.

Having said that, 1 burn mark means one fled and the other may have potentially remained. Even though Blade guarded King from what I remember him saying, I wouldn't put King as a Ninja just because there was a star in his door.. I would not expect him to come out of his house.. go to the opposite side and fling a star towards his place and then cross back over.

So.. that leaves Alan and ? atacking. Qwik still was in the area but, the thing is.. Blade was vehemently on Qwiks side. I know Qwik helped him but, Blade was blind and never positively ID'd his 2 attackers.

Just throwing it out there for discussion.

[Desnudo]

I think there's an excellent chance I'm dead tonight. If that is the case, hopefully everyone will take the time to review my compilation of Alan T's posts. I'd like to emphasize one post in particular:

Im not sure who the bodyguard should protect. Im guessing if this is like past games, probably one of the more experienced/valuable players. Of course saying that on here would make it pointless since then they would just be avoided...

As for the seer... My list of people I am most worried about right now are:

Mustang - Im not a big fan of people who dont vote, as voting patterns are all we have to go on at times. Its understandable if something comes up, but he was in the thread and responded and still didnt vote.

Rpi - has seemed a bit hostle and started a totally different run , staying out of the way of anyone likely to be lynched. Likely trying to keep his voting record spotless.

Blade and Dubb - well for obvious reasons, they were the main people who confonted fozzie. Like I said before, I dont honestly think these two are ninjas, but Dubb has fooled me before.

taz and kwhit - both were lump on votes on blade after the fozzie bandwagon started. Since fozzie was a villager I don't think this is a huge deal though at this point.

tanglewood, saldana, packerfan and king - all lumped on votes on fozzie.

At least thats the group I am starting with to try to figure out. Its tough with only one day of votes, maybe tommorrow will clear up more for me.

I think it's likely that one of the ninja is on this list and it is a ninja that is invisible to seer scans. If you notice, a lot of people on this list are now dead. So basically, one ninja and the rest trusted on this list.

[Mustang]

Disregard my above comments

Went back on the sheet and noticed the sheet says Qwik had a choice to chase. Guess that was some ability.

[Mustang]

I think it's likely that one of the ninja is on this list and it is a ninja that is invisible to seer scans. If you notice, a lot of people on this list are now dead. So basically, one ninja and the rest trusted on this list.

Well, all I know is that for my name, Alan mentioned it a whole heck of alot especially when there was alot of early heat on me. He even voted for me..

He knew I was a Samurai.. Now that we know he was a Ninja and since it was relatively early, I can't imagine any reason that if I WAS a Ninja that one of my fellow Ninjas would intentionally try to keep my name that close to the surface of the game and even vote on me early.

I still hold the contention if you thought I was a Ninja.. why didn't you vote for me. I just think there was alot just keeping my name on the surface as a suspect in hopes of taking me out later in the game when it got thinner knowing that I would be an easier target to help them out.

[TazFTW]

You don't have a weapon? I thought all of us Samurai had swords. I know I do. However, I did not do #2.
Nope, no weapon for me. My beliefs preclude me from using weaponry.

[Eaglesfan27]

Nope, no weapon for me. My beliefs preclude me from using weaponry.
Interesting.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I was not the vigilante.

As far as Alan not mentioning me at all, I can only imagine that it was an oversight. At that point, I had the vote for Blade (which I've explained pretty thoroughly) and the unknown vote for Tanglewood -- I assert that neither should have jumped out at him, but he should have at least considered me.

Since then, I've cast a vote for Alan (which was actually early in the rush away from KWhit), a ninja, and Tanglewood, not a ninja. In my defense on the latter, I thought the argument against him was pretty persuasive.

I'm going to try to find time tomorrow to start earning my keep and see if I can't do some analysis. (Yeah, we all know how well that turned out last game, but still...)

[kingfc22]

I think Alan was just playing us. He constantly accused people and switched most of his votes. Heck, he even had Blade fooled into believing he was a samurai. I think this was a good strategy for a brutal wolf/ninja since even if you are caught you can still take someone down with you.

Right now my two main suspects are:

Qwik - I'm still uncertain why he was walking around on day 1 and he has voted for 4 known villagers (sir foz, tangle x2, kwhit)

Taz - he has said very little and he has voted for 4 known samurai (blade, Kwhit, tangle x2)

[Coder]

I'm a little surprised by this.. at the least... I had him pretty high on my suspect list because of his voting pattern.

I still have TazFTW on top of my list though. We'll see who's dead after the night-action.

[Lathum]

Just got back from work and got caught up. Sorry tanglewood. I know I am a samurai and your attatck on me made me think you were a ninja. My thoughts are now on Mustabg who had wiggled his way out of trouble. King who was present the first night and Eaglesfan who was one one late switching votes that caused the whole AlanT fiasco.

[Qwikshot]

I killed Packers because I thought he was ninja...I was out the first night because my intent was to kill Blade because he had sullied the honor of the samurai, but upon seeing him being attacked I had the options to kill him, protect him, or flee. I did the honorable thing of protecting him because I felt compelled by my code.

Frankly, I'm frustrated by all of this...it seems that I'm asleep when all the vote changing occurs and I cannot recind my vote by the time of the deadline.

I had no information the first night concerning king at all, my interaction was between Blade and myself.

Take it for what you will...

[Coder]

So would you say that due to killing a villager, you lost the ability? Otherwise, dropping this now might not be the wisest thing.

[hoopsguy]

Another night passes quietly after some short-lived conversations about the latest lynching. The samurai are clearly dispirited about their performance up to this point and are growing concerned with the building anger of Chuck Norris.

If it is dawn, then there is another home being burned down. What, do you suppose, is this is doing to the value of your temporary homes?

Chuck is before you once more. "Desnudo has gasped his last breath. Your numbers have been nearly cut in half at this point. Choose well today." He turns his back and walks away.

List of players:
1. Lathum
2. TazFTW
3. Coder
4. KWhit - seer, co-lynched Day 3
5. Eaglesfan27
6. RPI-Fan
7. Blade6119 - ???, killed Night 3
8. PackerFanatic - ???, killed Night 2
9. Path12 - ???, killed Night 2
10. Tanglewood - samurai, lynched Day 4
11. Mr. Wednesday
12. Qwikshot
13. Mustang
14. Saldana - samurai, killed Day 3 by Alan T
15. Desnudo - ???, killed Night 4
16. Grammaticus
17. Kingfc22
18. Schmidty
19. SirFozzie - samurai, lynched Day 1
20. AlanT - ninja, co-lynched Day 3

Day 5 is underway. Deadline is 10PM CST tonight - please comment on play this weekend. As it looks right now I would probably steer away from it due to SuperBowl weekend and not being confident that the majority of the our participants would be available.

[hoopsguy]

A topical link that I saw off the front page at yahoo.com:

http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzz_log/entry/2006/02/03/0300/?fr=fp-buzz-more

Any samurai here want to confess to being a Krav Maga specialist?

[Qwikshot]

So would you say that due to killing a villager, you lost the ability? Otherwise, dropping this now might not be the wisest thing.

It doesn't matter now, I've cost three samurai their lives, one by my own hand.

Every hunch I've had was off, so I'm going to shut up and vote at deadline.

[Coder]

It doesn't matter now, I've cost three samurai their lives, one by my own hand.

Every hunch I've had was off, so I'm going to shut up and vote at deadline.

Well it does matter to me. If you lost the ability after killing pack then that's fine, but if you still have the ability I'd like to know what you've been up to lately.

[Qwikshot]

1. Lathum
2. TazFTW - the quiet one, you know the saying about quiet ones
3. Coder-samurai
4. KWhit - seer, co-lynched Day 3
5. Eaglesfan27 - getting nookey, easily distracted :p
6. RPI-Fan - questionable
7. Blade6119 - ???, killed Night 3
8. PackerFanatic - ???, killed Night 2-not really a samurai, an actor playing one-killed by me, maybe he was a spy?
9. Path12 - ???, killed Night 2
10. Tanglewood - samurai, lynched Day 4
11. Mr. Wednesday
12. Qwikshot-samurai, screwup
13. Mustang - talks up being samurai lots...
14. Saldana - samurai, killed Day 3 by Alan T
15. Desnudo - ???, killed Night 4
16. Grammaticus - covered for dubb
17. Kingfc22 - target but unknown about loyalties now
18. Schmidty - wants out
19. SirFozzie - samurai, lynched Day 1
20. AlanT - ninja, co-lynched Day 3

Seeing all of this, I would rate, least ninja to most:

12. Qwikshot - I'm not a ninja; screwup maybe, but not a ninja, samurai aren't supposed to be freakin' sleuths...
3. Coder- confirmed samurai by the seer with no observation about being a possible turncoat; good enough for me...
17. Kingfc22 - had weapons imbedded in his hut; I don't know if self incrimination to throw scent off is a possibility, so for now, I'm thinking he's safe
18. Schmidty - could be an act but he seems in some of the statements to be werewolf weary.
16. Gram/Dubb - Dubb was just odd prior to his leaving but I don't think that in this situation you want to bring someone in as a baddie, leads to too much confusion.

Those are my five for now, that I consider least incriminating...

13. Mustang - he's be on the fence off the fence, but he pleads his case alot like Tanglewood.
5. Eaglesfan - has been quiet in some ways, not really adding input, could be real life distractions but I recall him being a little more vigorous in these games.
1. Lathum and 11. Mr. Wednesday - Lathum has added input; as has Mr. W, they really haven't been major proponents in anything that has caught my eye. I don't know how to rate them.

These leave the next tier

2. Taz- has really been quiet, and I don't recall any real reasonings, not enough to outright accuse, but it's been really in his favor.
6. RPI- voted for me, I think is still wary of me. Some odd votings.

Take it for what you will.

[Eaglesfan27]

Qwik,

I've had real life interrupt more than I would like (except for the nookey which was a very welcome interruption ;)) which has made me somewhat quiet. Also, I was getting too upset at several things that happened in the game (such as ghosts talking, people voting for themself, etc.) That made me naturally pull back since I was getting too emotionally upset, and wasn't using my best logic. Clinic is about to start and looks like it will be very busy, but I hope to offer some more detailed thoughts than I have in past days when I get home tonight (probably around 7:00 PM CST.)

[kingfc22]

I'm a little surprised by this.. at the least... I had him pretty high on my suspect list because of his voting pattern.

I still have TazFTW on top of my list though. We'll see who's dead after the night-action.I agree with Coder. He is the only sure thing right now and Taz's voting record has been very dubious and he hasn't provided any reasons for them.

I'll start today off, since I am home for now.

VOTE TAZ

[Grammaticus]

High level of Trust
Coder – confirmed by Seer

Fair level of Trust
King – probably was ninja target
Qwik – pk’d packer was trying to pk Blade, that’s why he was out at night
Lathum – Alan moved Tangle (samurai) off the block putting Lathum in danger
Schmidty – believable as Samurai, posts support this more than they don’t

Suspicious
RPI – He or Mr. W has to be a ninja (the experienced one). He probably left cover vote on Alant, day 3
Mr. Wednesday – probably ninja. Don’t be fooled by switch to Alant after seer reveal
Eaglesfan – laying low and always votes for non-contenders. Probably hid votes on ninja with the Mustang and RPI vote, but did not put them in danger (cover votes)
Taz – playing quite game, not good for Samurai. Gives us nothing
Mustang – calls out a lot of very unusual scenarios to just confuse things

Don’t be fooled by anyone who tries to say they are clean because they moved their vote to AlanT after the seer reveal. The assumption was AlanT was going down, so anyone engaged in the thread would move off Kwhit once the reveal was made. A perfect ninja move would be to vote for your buddy ninja since he is likely going down anyway. Heck, they still got a tie out of luck. You pretty much knew Alan was gonna get it soon anyway and as the brutal wolf, he is the best one to die during a lynch to get the full effect of his role.

I’m going to go with

VOTE MR WEDNESDAY

I think the most likely are Mr W, RPI and Eaglesfan. If there are four wolves then throw in Mustang. Of course Taz has not given us anything, so maybe we should really look at voting him to find out what the heck he’s thinking.

The problem for me is, I am out at 5pm tonight and will most likely not be on again tonight so whatever I have voted around 5pm will likely stand for me. Too bad as this is a critical phase.

[Grammaticus]

I would prefer to stretch the day to Monday. I hate ending a day phase on a Friday night and having a night phase through the weekend. It makes a lot of people not post as that just gives the Ninja more to look at. Most discussion happens during the day phase. My interaction will be spotty during Saturday and I’m watching the Super Bowl Sunday, but late Sunday night, I can be online.

[Grammaticus]

Qwik,

I've had real life interrupt more than I would like (except for the nookey which was a very welcome interruption ;)) which has made me somewhat quiet.
You stoop so low using such excuses for your actions in WW. :)

[hoopsguy]

I'm willing to move the deadline to Monday if a majority want to go that way. But I don't want to push all the way to Monday night - that would make for a four-day Day 5 cycle. And if we push it to Monday morning then we aren't going to have a significant block around for the final vote if I run it at 6:30 AM (CST). So I'm up for any suggestions, but I'm not sure what time would be ideal if the Friday night deadline is no good ..

[Coder]

1. Lathum and 11. Mr. Wednesday - Lathum has added input; as has Mr. W, they really haven't been major proponents in anything that has caught my eye. I don't know how to rate them.


Lathum cast the second vote for AlanT when he was eventually lynched. He never looked back, no changes, nothing. That's a good indicator in my book.

I'd pick Mr W from this group.



2. Taz- has really been quiet, and I don't recall any real reasonings, not enough to outright accuse, but it's been really in his favor.
6. RPI- voted for me, I think is still wary of me. Some odd votings.

Take it for what you will.

Taz is, as I've said, very suspicious.. low postcount, questionable votes, hardly saying anything.

I'll hold off my vote for an hour or so, hoping to hear about a possible deadline change.. in which case I will vote during the weekend.

[Desnudo]

Well it does matter to me. If you lost the ability after killing pack then that's fine, but if you still have the ability I'd like to know what you've been up to lately.

*drags chain across* floor.

Oops, sorry.

[Desnudo]

Kicks ghost Blade in the butt.

[Lathum]

I'm not so sold on Mr. W. When things started to turn on AlanT Mr W. at the time cast the tying vote for AlanT making it 7-7 when he could have cast his vote on Kwhit to put kwhit up by 2 votes. I know a tie helps the Ninja's but it was pretty early on in the voting to help a tie. That being said I think RPI fan is more suspiscous.

VOTE RPI FAN

[Mustang]

I know a tie helps the Ninja's VOTE RPI FAN

The only way a tie helps a Ninja is if they are both Ninjas. I can't imagine why a Ninja would want to force a tie with 2 Samurais or 1/1 if the Samurai was ahead. Just go with the 100% kill..

Hell, I HOPE RPI is a Ninja.. that way, clears me 100% as I've voted on him 2x..

[Lathum]

The only way a tie helps a Ninja is if they are both Ninjas. I can't imagine why a Ninja would want to force a tie with 2 Samurais or 1/1 if the Samurai was ahead. Just go with the 100% kill..

Hell, I HOPE RPI is a Ninja.. that way, clears me 100% as I've voted on him 2x..
how is that true? Not only does a tie give the Ninja's a free night kill but it doesn't provide us with any information and basicly keeps our wheels spinning for another day. Even when we kill a samurai we gain information. You can't make an omlette without breaking some eggs...

[Mustang]

how is that true? Not only does a tie give the Ninja's a free night kill but it doesn't provide us with any information and basicly keeps our wheels spinning for another day. Even when we kill a samurai we gain information. You can't make an omlette without breaking some eggs...

As a Ninja, if you cause a tie between 2 players that you know are Samurai, (or in a situation where the Samurai is leading over a Ninja) you may not kill anyone. It is my opinion that the Ninjas would want to kill off the Samurai as quickly as possible. Going to a situation where the potential exists where no one would be killed doesn't help the Ninja any more. The ninjas are looking to have 2 Samurais killed every cycle. (One day, one night).

Pushing a tie if both are ninjas makes sense because the potential exists that the tiebreaker will cause neither to die instead of guaranteeing that one will die.

Pushing a tie if the Ninja is in the lead with vote against a Samurai makes sense for obvious reasons..

A short game helps the Ninjas. Less days equal less talk and quicker kills.
Longer games help the Samurai.. more days equal more talk and chances to pickup on something.

Just my opinion... some people feel that a tie between 2 Samurai helps the Ninjas. I don't see it just as some people don't see my logic for the above.

[Lathum]

I disagree with the whole idea of a tie. This is a game of limited information and anytime a whole day goes by with nothing learned the Ninja's gain an advantage.