Werewolf XXII - Way of the Colt - Game over, congrats samurai!

[Lathum]

moving the deadline works for me, I've said about all I can say.

Once again if I am lynched I can't wait to see the hit blade's ego will take.

[Blade6119]

Ok, I need to go for a bit, but here's a prelimenary vote:

Vote Tanglewood
:( i hope you guys know what your doing

[Poli]

Come on hoops. Kill someone. :)

[Desnudo]

Is that it?

[Blade6119]

moving the deadline works for me, I've said about all I can say.

Once again if I am lynched I can't wait to see the hit blade's ego will take.
I swear people dont read...the people i suspect are not on the block...i dont really think either of you are guilty, but since one of you is getting lynched i had to pick. i swear, you, mustang, kwhit...you guys dont read my posts at all... :o

[Alan T]

Alan peaked my interest as either a solid good guy or a bad guy. he either was a ninja and knew i was a bodyguard or really analyzed well to see my hints. he mentioned it first and stuck to it. He is either a valuable villager or a wolf...either way he went to tangle which makes my vote on lathum more secure, as either he has no idea or he wants to save lathum


Its I have no idea on who to go with lathum or tanglewood, and at the time lathum was ahead of tanglewood. I didnt feel comfortable putting lathum far in the lead, so wanted to keep it closer to tied to try to put more heat on people longer. If Tangle was leading at the time, I likely would have gone with Lathum.

[kingfc22]

Come on hoops. Kill someone. :)Are you a misplaced ghost?http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[saldana]

hoopsguy-sama, honorable Kurosawa would also like to see a sooner deadline, but I dont think it would be fair to change it mid-day, since Coder-san is currently fast asleep, as it is only 5:18 in the morning in Sweden. changing the deadline without his being around isnt an honorable action.

[Blade6119]

hoopsguy-sama, honorable Kurosawa would also like to see a sooner deadline, but I dont think it would be fair to change it mid-day, since Coder-san is currently fast asleep, as it is only 5:18 in the morning in Sweden. changing the deadline without his being around isnt an honorable action.
i think 18/19 is a fair majority to do it...

[Lathum]

i think 18/19 is a fair majority to do it...
i agree.

besides, is anyone going to say anything meaningfull that will make coder change his vote between now and the original deadline.

[Desnudo]

Or if he did change his vote, does it matter?

[Lathum]

Or if he did change his vote, does it matter?
i duno, anyone have a vote count?

[path12]

You know whats funny....not one person congratulated me on protecting king....i feel sooooooooooo unloved

I gave you a thumbs up. Guess you didn't see it.
:p

[Blade6119]

i duno, anyone have a vote count?
i think tangle is one up, so yes it makes a difference....actually, if thats true id love for mustang to vote lathum and create a tie so we can clear another villager. The larger our circle our trust the better

[saldana]

I would switch my vote if there was compelling evidence on any of the main contenders, but I just don't see it. I haven't seen anything that really makes me think Tangle or Lathum is a ninja. Therefore, I'm going to remain consistent and stick with my vote for Mustang because he voted for himself.

eaglesfan-san, honorable Kurosawa agrees that there is no compelling evidence against either Tangle-san or Lathum-san at this point, but may I suggest to you that you change your vote, as I will be doing later, after considering which of those two is more likely to help our noble Samurai cause later in the game, and then vote for the other as a means of ensuring the life of the man you judge more worthy.

[Lathum]

i think tangle is one up, so yes it makes a difference....actually, if thats true id love for mustang to vote lathum and create a tie so we can clear another villager. The larger our circle our trust the better
how would a tie clear a villager?

as far as I know the rules for a tie have never been stated.

[Desnudo]

Maybe Coder is an early riser.

[Blade6119]

how would a tie clear a villager?

as far as I know the rules for a tie have never been stated.
Im betting since there are no posted rules for it we have a villager tie-breaker role in our midst. If we create a tie, he can break it and we have another clear villager

[tanglewood]

Argh! Everything has exploded since I was last here!

1. Lathum RE: the whole Blade being a 100% good guy thing. OF COURSE HE WASN'T 100% CONFIRMED DAY 1!!! OTHERWISE NO-ONE, NOT EVEN NINJAS, WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR HIM!!! THE WHOLE POINT IS THAT HE IS THE ONLY GUY I THINK IS CONFIRMED GOOD GUY, SO I VOtED FOR THE MOST SUSPECT OF THE GUYS WHO VOTED FOR HIM ON DAY ONE. You were, as Blade pointed out, very quick to clear yourself, and by extension everyone else, who voted for Blade. I know he wasn't confirmed day 1, but the whole analysisng votes thing is retrospective by nature! You ever played WW before right!?!?

2. Sorry for my lack of activity. As some of you may/may not know I am from the UK, so it is currently 4:30 AM here. In future I will be mor explicit in saying when I will/will not be around.

[kingfc22]

Coder's vote doesn't matter at this point. He voted for Lathum and Tanglewood is 1 ahead of Lathum. No matter what Coder does at this point Tanglewood is still the one meeting Chuck Norris.

[Blade6119]

Kurosawa-san, honorable Tsuruko Shimada asks that you aid him in walking to the meeting...Tsuruko Shimada cant see and doesnt want to end up lost

[tanglewood]

Dola

Sorry to sound so angry, frustrated is more like it. After reading through 4 pages of Lathum's faulty logic in defending himself I got quite agitated, lol.

[Desnudo]

Kurosawa-san, honorable Tsuruko Shimada asks that you aid him in walking to the meeting...Tsuruko Shimada cant see and doesnt want to end up lost

Use your heightened sense of smell.

[Blade6119]

Im betting since there are no posted rules for it we have a villager tie-breaker role in our midst. If we create a tie, he can break it and we have another clear villager
ANYONE?

[Alan T]

i think tangle is one up, so yes it makes a difference....actually, if thats true id love for mustang to vote lathum and create a tie so we can clear another villager. The larger our circle our trust the better
That logic got me lynched last game :)

I still agree with it though. Im up for seeing what happens with a tie

[kingfc22]

Kurosawa-san, honorable Tsuruko Shimada asks that you aid him in walking to the meeting...Tsuruko Shimada cant see and doesnt want to end up lostWait, Unosuke Kiyokawa would be privaleged to walk you to the meeting. It is the least I can do for saving my life.

[Blade6119]

Use your heightened sense of smell.
All i can smell is the blood from my face...they did kind of take a sword to my face ya know

[Desnudo]

I'm guessing there's someone who gets activated as a tie breaker.

[Blade6119]

Wait, Unosuke Kiyokawa would be privaleged to walk you to the meeting. It is the least I can do for saving my life.
Tsuruko Shimada thanks you for your kindness. A great and powerful warrior as myself has had quite a hard time adjusting to life after sight. Thank you

[Eaglesfan27]

eaglesfan-san, honorable Kurosawa agrees that there is no compelling evidence against either Tangle-san or Lathum-san at this point, but may I suggest to you that you change your vote, as I will be doing later, after considering which of those two is more likely to help our noble Samurai cause later in the game, and then vote for the other as a means of ensuring the life of the man you judge more worthy.
My instincts tell me that both Tangle and Lathum are honorable Samurai. There is no honor in voting for one who I believe is an honorable Samurai to face the awesome wrath of Chuck Norris. Therefore, I will stick with my vote.

I still think Mustang used the voting for himself ploy to draw attention away from himself, and I'm saddened to see it worked.

[Mustang]

i think tangle is one up, so yes it makes a difference....actually, if thats true id love for mustang to vote lathum and create a tie so we can clear another villager. The larger our circle our trust the better

Circle of trust? This meet the parents? :)


Actually, if me voting changes it to where the Ninja automatically loses, ya.. I'll change my vote. Unfortunately, no tiebreakers have been stated.

[Blade6119]

Circle of trust? This meet the parents? :)


Actually, if me voting changes it to where the Ninja automatically loses, ya.. I'll change my vote. Unfortunately, no tiebreakers have been stated.
Thats why i belive we have a tie-breaker character...and if so, your vote would not lynch anyone, it would be up to the tie-breaker

[Blade6119]

My instincts tell me that both Tangle and Lathum are honorable Samurai. There is no honor in voting for one who I believe is an honorable Samurai to face the awesome wrath of Chuck Norris. Therefore, I will stick with my vote.

I still think Mustang used the voting for himself ploy to draw attention away from himself, and I'm saddened to see it worked.
If i could vote for mustang i would, but im trying to play with the cards dealt to us...the others bought it, so im trying to make the best of this situation...i dont think either are bad either, hence why i want a tie so at least something is learned from this lynch

[Eaglesfan27]

Dola (or probably not) -

My wife wants to spend quality time together in a few minutes (probably only about 5-10 more) once she finishes her French homework (silly that a culinary arts program requires a foreign language to graduate.) Quality time with wife kicks the butt of quality time with my fellow WW players as it is a rare treat lately. ;)

[tanglewood]

Dola (or probably not) -

My wife wants to spend quality time together in a few minutes (probably only about 5-10 more) once she finishes her French homework (silly that a culinary arts program requires a foreign language to graduate.) Quality time with wife kicks the butt of quality time with my fellow WW players as it is a rare treat lately. ;)

Is that quality time or Quality Time? ;)

[Mustang]

Hoops,

Is there a given tiebreaker than you can reveal or, is it only upon a tie it will be revealed?

[hoopsguy]

All 19 votes are in at this time:

Tally:
Mustang (2) - Grammaticus (718), Eaglesfan (754)
Lathum (6) - Tanglewood (798), Coder (800), Kingfc (859), Desnudo (921), Blade (959), PackerFanatic (967)
PackerFanatic (1) - Path (851)
AlanT (1) - Saldana (856)
Path (1) - RPI-Fan (865)
RPI-Fan (1) - Mustang (887)
Tanglewood (7) - Mr. Wednesday (876), Qwikshot (881), Lathum (899), KWhit (958), AlanT (964), TazFTW (985), Schmidty (999)

I'm potentially set to process the votes in 20 minutes, but I know this impacts people besides Coder. Qwikshot has not been on this evening. I now know that Tanglewood is connecting from the UK. Just putting this out there ... but I'm willing to adjust to the will of the people as it seems like we do have a large audience online right now eager to see what happens.

If you don't feel like voicing your opinion in this thread but want your voice heard, please PM me on this ASAP. I'll be reading along over the next 20 minutes ...

[hoopsguy]

The tie-breaker rule is definitely not published - it may or may not be possessed by a player in this game.

Part of the fun of playing a secret rules game ...

[tanglewood]

I am fine with the deadline in 20 mins, or later doesn't really matter as I'm here now. I can schedule it so I can be around at lynchings regardless of time usually.

[Blade6119]

The tie-breaker rule is definitely not published - it may or may not be possessed by a player in this game.

Part of the fun of playing a secret rules game ...
Decision time mustang

[Blade6119]

Decision time mustang
Decision time means were dont have much of it...so please dont do it in 11 minutes

[Mustang]

The tie-breaker rule is definitely not published - it may or may not be possessed by a player in this game.

Part of the fun of playing a secret rules game ...

Making sure. I wanted to hear from you and not just someone randomly.

Personally, I don't think Lathum is a Ninja but, if this is to protect him, I'll change my vote

Unvote RPI
Vote Lathum

I'm doing this to force a tie.. If someone else jumps on Lathum or Tangle, I'm going to be WAY concerned and I will remove my Lathum vote to re-tie things

[kingfc22]

Making sure. I wanted to hear from you and not just someone randomly.

Personally, I don't think Lathum is a Ninja but, if this is to protect him, I'll change my vote

Unvote RPI
Vote Lathum

I'm doing this to force a tie.. If someone else jumps on Lathum or Tangle, I'm going to be WAY concerned and I will remove my Lathum vote to re-tie things
dun dun dun

This has been a very exciting Day 2.

[Blade6119]

Making sure. I wanted to hear from you and not just someone randomly.

Personally, I don't think Lathum is a Ninja but, if this is to protect him, I'll change my vote

Unvote RPI
Vote Lathum

I'm doing this to force a tie.. If someone else jumps on Lathum or Tangle, I'm going to be WAY concerned and I will remove my Lathum vote to re-tie things
Thank you...if someone breaks this we have a huge suspect....i think a tie is the best thing for us right now, or we hope

[Eaglesfan27]

Is that quality time or Quality Time? ;)
I'm giving up the wonderful world of WW just before the exciting Chuck Norris shows himself for this "quality time." So, I think you know what I'm talking about ;)


Later everyone! Good luck to my fellow honorable Samurai. I look forward to reading what happened in the morning before work.

[Blade6119]

I'm giving up the wonderful world of WW just before the exciting Chuck Norris shows himself for this "quality time." So, I think you know what I'm talking about ;)


Later everyone! Good luck to my fellow honorable Samurai. I look forward to reading what happened in the morning before work.
wow, 8 minutes before...must be some really good Quality time :cool:

[Mustang]

Thank you...if someone breaks this we have a huge suspect....i think a tie is the best thing for us right now, or we hope

Only reason that I'm doing this is in hopes it will tell us more...

And if it kills a Ninja, sure as hell is going to clear my name.

[Lathum]

Making sure. I wanted to hear from you and not just someone randomly.

Personally, I don't think Lathum is a Ninja but, if this is to protect him, I'll change my vote

Unvote RPI
Vote Lathum

I'm doing this to force a tie.. If someone else jumps on Lathum or Tangle, I'm going to be WAY concerned and I will remove my Lathum vote to re-tie things
I think it is a mistake but just my opinion.

We got a one up on the Ninja's last night and are potentially giving it back to them, but I hope I'm wrong.

If anything it's a gamble that hopefully will clear me.

Wouldn't it be a bitch if the person who possess the tiebreaking ability ( assuming there is one ) is offline right now :)

[Eaglesfan27]

wow, 8 minutes before...must be some really good Quality time :cool:

She just said to get upstairs NOW. So, I have to stop checking this thread. Later (for real this time) ;)

[hoopsguy]

The majority of the 19 are online right now as I'm looking at the thread, with a couple of others that have been in and out. So unless I get any late objections, I'm going to roll this in the next 5-10 minutes.

[path12]

I'm fine with the deadline change for what it's worth.

[Lathum]

Werewolf is fun but it seems eaglesfan is having more fun then any of us...

[saldana]

honorable Kurosawa has no objections to the deadline change if the majority of Samurai ask Hoopsguy-sama for it.

blade-san, it would have been honorable Kurosawa's privilege to assist you, but because he honors you equally, i will gladly step aside in favor of King-san (and just as i started to look for that cliff ;))

[Blade6119]

I think it is a mistake but just my opinion.

We got a one up on the Ninja's last night and are potentially giving it back to them, but I hope I'm wrong.

If anything it's a gamble that hopefully will clear me.

Wouldn't it be a bitch if the person who possess the tiebreaking ability ( assuming there is one ) is offline right now :)
I dont want either of you to die, i still think mustang should have been killed today...im going for a tie so that another villager is clear...honestly, i think you and tangle are both good and the lynch will be a villager regardless...im hoping just to get a cleared villager out of it

[Grammaticus]

Unvote Mustang
Vote Tanglewood

[Blade6119]

Unvote Mustang
Vote Tanglewood
......sweet jesus no.....

[Blade6119]

there goes our tie....

[Mustang]

If anything it's a gamble that hopefully will clear me.


That's what I meant more by protect you. Best case scenario for me and you is that Tangle is a Ninja and is killed. Doesn't make you 100% safe because you both could be Ninjas but, considering my move would have killed one of the Ninja's.. I'd feel good.

Worst case.. both of you are Samurai or one of you is and the Ninja have the tiebreaker.

[Alan T]

This is what I have, with 1 min to go today

Grammaticus votes Mustang (1)
Alan T votes tazftw (1)
blade votes mustang (2)
mustang votes mustang (3)
eaglesfan votes mustang (4)
lathum votes mustang (5)
tanglewood votes lathum (1)
coder votes lathum (2)
mustang UNVOTES mustang (4)
path votes packerfan (1)
saldana votes alan t (1)
king votes lathum (3)
rpi votes path (1)
mr. wednesday votes tanglewood (1)
qwikshot votes tanglewood (2)
mustang votes rpi (1)
lathum UNVOTES mustang (3)
lathum votes tanglewood (3)
desnudo votes lathum (4)
kwhit votes tanglewood (4)
blade UNVOTES mustang (2)
blade votes lathum (5)
alan t UNVOTES tazftw (0)
alan t votes Tanglewood (5)
packer votes lathum (6)
taz votes tanglewood (6)
schmidty votes tanglewood (7)
mustang unvotes rpi (0)
mustang votes lathum (7)

[kingfc22]

Unvote Mustang
Vote Tanglewood
DUN DUN DUN

[Alan T]

UNVOTE Tanglewood
VOTE Mustang

[Blade6119]

UNVOTE Tanglewood
VOTE Mustang
CLUTCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D

[Alan T]

Sorry for lack of explanation. had to get it in before time. I obviously did it to counter gram's move

[Mustang]

UNVOTE Tanglewood
VOTE Mustang

Thanks

Seriously.. thanks. I couldn't do anything.

[kingfc22]

UNVOTE Tanglewood
VOTE Mustang

DUN DUN DUN

[tanglewood]

Hmm... on that bombshell and jus incase I don't get to speak again.

Grammaticus + Dubb = Ninja?

[Lathum]

this is going to make for some interesting discussion tomorrow...

[Blade6119]

Gramat, i really believe your a villager, but god damn that was a horrible move....you just went back on everyones distrust list

[Mustang]

Could be an easy day tomorrow depending on what happens this evening

[hoopsguy]

Time is up - have to type this one up ... results in about five minutes.

[tanglewood]

UNVOTE Tanglewood
VOTE Mustang

Well, perhaps not the end just yet. :)

Thanks Alan. :)

[Grammaticus]

Hmm... on that bombshell and jus incase I don't get to speak again.

Grammaticus + Dubb = Ninja?
Very wrong, very wrong

[Alan T]

Well, perhaps not the end just yet. :)

Thanks Alan. :)


If you are a ninja, and they kill you and then me. Im hunting you down in the afterlife to kill you again

[kingfc22]

Wow. What the hell is Chuck Norris-san going to do?

[Grammaticus]

Gramat, i really believe your a villager, but god damn that was a horrible move....you just went back on everyones distrust list
Not if Tanglewood is a Ninja.

[tanglewood]

Very wrong, very wrong

So why do it then?

This is an honest question. Obsiously, I know I am a plain samurai (not that I'd say any different, but hey...) so I have no idea at all why you would do this.

[Blade6119]

Not if Tanglewood is a Ninja.
true, but we may not find that out...i dont think he is, but whoever the tie-breaker kills i hope is a ninja...at least i hope there is a tie-breaker

[PackerFanatic]

Wow, what a good day 2

[Grammaticus]

So why do it then?

This is an honest question. Obsiously, I know I am a plain samurai (not that I'd say any different, but hey...) so I have no idea at all why you would do this.
Because if the only tie breaker is a Duke like role, I do not want them to feel compelled to use it at this point in the game. It would be more beneficial later when there is more information to go on.

Then, between you and Lathum, I feel you are more suspicious of being a Ninja. On the Fozzie vote list you are my front runner for a Ninja imbedded in that vote group.

[PackerFanatic]

dola, this is why I joined this game :)

[Blade6119]

dola, this is why I joined this game :)
See, i knew this game would turn around

[tanglewood]

Lol, I'm starting to think the best case scenario here for the village is that I actually die, get confirmed as samurai, then Grammaticus is lynched and confirmed Ninja. A 1 for 1 swap is pretty good at this stage.

Of course, Gram may just be a misguided villager, but the nagging in my head of connecting dubb's somewhat odd actions with this somewhat odd actions sure do make me have second thoughts.

Gramm, seeing as you obviously think I'm ninja, what have I done to suggest so? Infact, could anyone who voted for me just clairfy specifically why? I'm not trying to be obtuse, but the whole of today seems to have been one murky mess.

[tanglewood]

Because if the only tie breaker is a Duke like role, I do not want them to feel compelled to use it at this point in the game. It would be more beneficial later when there is more information to go on.

Okay, that's a fair enough reason I suppose, but I think it's fairly presumptious over the wait and see approach.

[path12]

dola, this is why I joined this game :)

It's certainly not for the chicks.
;)

[Blade6119]

Okay, that's a fair enough reason I suppose, but I think it's fairly presumptious over the wait and see approach.
I feel quite certain a duke would feel compelled to. The duke is as interested as we are in finding out who the tie-breaker is. I doub they know there isnt one if there isnt

[PackerFanatic]

It's certainly not for the chicks.
;)

Psht, I don't need em, I got one already, lol.

[PackerFanatic]

Oh and FWIW, I wouldn't mind permanently moving the deadline either :)

[Blade6119]

Psht, I don't need em, I got one already, lol.
You live in wisconsin...so you are obviously lying :p

[PackerFanatic]

hahaha...

[PackerFanatic]

Wait, what's that supposed to mean?!
:-P

[Mustang]

Although, if Hoops is already typing up the message, that could mean either the person with the tiebreaker is already online OR there is a preset tiebreaker.

[hoopsguy]

The day begins slowly, as samurai circle about waiting for Blade to awaken. His breathing stabalized quickly and he is as strong as an ox - he will never see again, but everyone (well, most of you ...) holds out hope that he will live a long and peaceful life as a shepherd.

Eventually, details of Qwikshot's and Blade's story come together and discussion begins in earnest - how many attackers, analysis of the "crime" scene, who can be trusted. And the votes to face Chuck begin as a trickle.

There are several seismic shifts over the course of the day, as different samurai defend their honor and cast aspersions on others. But an agreement is finally brokered to force a tie between two suspicious characters - Lathum and Tanglewood. An odd pairing, as the two have not held good will for each other all afternoon. But they stand ready to face Chuck.

Chuck strolls into the village and stares at each of them intently. Finally he turns to the group and announces, "Neither of these men is prepared to meet me today. It is not I that have granted them their lives, but instead the collective samurai of this village. I'll will return again tomorrow and there will be a reckoning."

Night 2 is underway. The deadline is set for 11AM tomorrow morning but I would be happy to speed this along if actions are in earlier.

Final votes:
Mustang (2) - Eaglesfan (754), AlanT (1061)
Lathum (7) - Tanglewood (798), Coder (800), Kingfc (859), Desnudo (921), Blade (959), PackerFanatic (967), Mustang (1042)
PackerFanatic (1) - Path (851)
AlanT (1) - Saldana (856)
Path (1) - RPI-Fan (865)
Tanglewood (7) - Mr. Wednesday (876), Qwikshot (881), Lathum (899), KWhit (958), TazFTW (985), Schmidty (999), Grammaticus (1055)

[Alan T]

Although, if Hoops is already typing up the message, that could mean either the person with the tiebreaker is already online OR there is a preset tiebreaker.


Thats what we find out next. one of the following will happen:

1) There is no tiebreaker, and some tiebreak rule goes into force. Some games thats the person who received their clinching vote first. Some games it means no lynch this day
2) There is a tiebreaker, and we hopefully have one more villager to clear today from it. (and bonus of the tiebreaker killing a ninja)
3) Someone with another role such as a duke submits something to affect the vote (which I hope does not happen here)

[Blade6119]

Well either no tie-breaker or we have a ninja with a one time anti-lynch role

[kingfc22]

Well, that is good and bad. Another phase of the game has gone by without us losing a samurai. However, we didn't learn if anyone was a ninja or not.

[PackerFanatic]

I can't wait until tomorrow now...this is going to be an intersting night!

[Alan T]

Well either no tie-breaker or we have a ninja with a one time anti-lynch role

As in either tanglewood or lathum have the ability to not be lynched one time?

I dont think i have seen that role before. Well looks like we didn't learn anything new here after all :(

[Grammaticus]

See, we have nothing and will now have to face a night murder.

[Blade6119]

I can't wait until tomorrow now...this is going to be an intersting night!
i really wonder whos going down...My blind ass, someone off the radar, tangle or lathum for fun

[saldana]

god damn it, we just gave the Ninja back the save we got last night.

we just spent the entire day to learn absolutly nothing.

honorable Kurosawa is going back to the bar.

[Blade6119]

As in either tanglewood or lathum have the ability to not be lynched one time?

I dont think i have seen that role before. Well looks like we didn't learn anything new here after all :(
Like a blessed role, where they can avoid one lynch...Chuck norris said he wasnt saving their lives, but those of the samurai of the village...that makes me think either one was a brutal wolf or something

[tanglewood]

Well that's a bit of a let down.

Should be an interesting night and morning.

[PackerFanatic]

Being my first WW game, I don't even have anything to base it off of, so I couldn't really say what roles could even come into play, which is why I am most intrigued :)

[Lathum]

and that kids, is why a tie is a bad thing.

a major win for the ninja's.

[tanglewood]

It is not I that have granted them their lives, but instead the collective samurai of this village."

Anyone have any idea what this means?

Edit: Never mind, I read it wrong. It seems fairly straightforward.

Edit x2: Well, straightforwarder. Hmm.... Still not sure I guess. lol

[Blade6119]

Anyone have any idea what this means?
exactly what i was looking at...seems odd...

[path12]

i really wonder whos going down...My blind ass, someone off the radar, tangle or lathum for fun

If those were the choices I'd bet someone off the radar. You're done and Tanglewood and Lathum are both lynch candidates.

[Mustang]

a major win for the ninja's.

Not so certain it was a win. Blade is right.. chuck said he was saving the collective Samurai of the village which is an odd statement.

[path12]

Anyone have any idea what this means?

Edit: Never mind, I read it wrong. It seems fairly straightforward.

Edit x2: Well, straightforwarder. Hmm.... Still not sure I guess. lol

It looks pretty straightforward to me. But I gravitate towards the obvious.

[kingfc22]

exactly what i was looking at...seems odd...I think it means we have no tie breaker or if someone did have the option they chose not to which is an odd play IMO.

[Mustang]

It looks pretty straightforward to me. But I gravitate towards the obvious.

And what do you gain from the statement?

[kingfc22]

Not so certain it was a win. Blade is right.. chuck said he was saving the collective Samurai of the village which is an odd statement.Mustang-san, Chuck said that the collective samurai saved lathum and tanglewood, not Chuck saving the samurai.

[Grammaticus]

Not so certain it was a win. Blade is right.. chuck said he was saving the collective Samurai of the village which is an odd statement.
No, Chuck is said that he did not save anyone, the collective Samurai did by not voting for someone with a majority. It is a win for the Ninja because every day where a lynch does not occur, the Ninja percentage of winning the game goes up.

[kingfc22]

Okay, I'm off to watch my Tivo. Tomorrow I will be here in the afternoon, but not at night since I am working a closing shift.

[Mustang]

Mustang-san, Chuck said that the collective samurai saved lathum and tanglewood, not Chuck saving the samurai.

Ahhh... yes, that would make sense.

From that, I would gather there is absolutely no tiebreaker.

[tanglewood]

Not so certain it was a win. Blade is right.. chuck said he was saving the collective Samurai of the village which is an odd statement.

I'm not sure:

"It is not I that have granted them their lives, but instead the collective samurai of this village."

Could simply mean that it is not Chuck Norris who has spared us, but the collective samurai (by voting a tie) who have inadvartently spared us both.

OR

It is not our lives we have been spared, but the Samurai of this village. However, if it is this second meaning it is worded very oddly.

[path12]

And what do you gain from the statement?

That the collective samurai have saved them by not making a clear choice. So no tiebreak.

[Mustang]

It is not our lives we have been spared, but the Samurai of this village. However, if it is this second meaning it is worded very oddly.

Both make sense. If it was the 2nd, I could take from that that both of you are innocent and that in getting a tie, we spared both of you (and ourselves) from an innocent loss.

Now.. granted.. that is possibly an extreme interpretation...

[Lathum]

I think chuck's statment mearly meant that he collective votes of the village saved our lives. I wouldn't read to much into that statment

[tanglewood]

Again, this sucks. I was almost looking forward to dying and proving myself a samurai and helping the village with info.

Lynch candidates for tommorow: Me & Lathum again obviously, Gramm for going against the consensus (although his position looks a lot better now than it did when he did it).

Ninja kill candidates? I don't think any of the above will be killed, why would the ninjas bother? Blade, perhaps, as he is pretty much a lock as samurai and them killing a confirmed good guy is more valuable than a non-confirmed one. However they will feel Blade's role as bodyguard now being gone means they can continue to hunt for other roles without having to worry about him.

Other thoughts: When was the last ime Qwik posted? He has been quite quiet and I thought he was usually fairly active in WW threads?

[Blade6119]

I still think mustang is my pick for tomorrow, but thats just me...note that everyone before i die(possible)

[Mustang]

Lynch candidates for tommorow: Me & Lathum again obviously, Gramm for going against the consensus (although his position looks a lot better now than it did when he did it).


I think it would have to be either you or Lathum has to go tomorrow. Either of you goes it is more revealing about the rest of us (including myself and Gramm)

[Grammaticus]

Again, this sucks. I was almost looking forward to dying and proving myself a samurai and helping the village with info.

Lynch candidates for tommorow: Me & Lathum again obviously, Gramm for going against the consensus (although his position looks a lot better now than it did when he did it).

Ninja kill candidates? I don't think any of the above will be killed, why would the ninjas bother? Blade, perhaps, as he is pretty much a lock as samurai and them killing a confirmed good guy is more valuable than a non-confirmed one. However they will feel Blade's role as bodyguard now being gone means they can continue to hunt for other roles without having to worry about him.

Other thoughts: When was the last ime Qwik posted? He has been quite quiet and I thought he was usually fairly active in WW threads?
It is interesting that you left AlanT off this list of lynch candidates. He is the swing vote that caused a tie that resulted in a setback for the Samurai and he was on the Fozzie vote with you Tanglewood. He also just saved you from getting lynched. Very convenient to leave him off your lynch list. Almost like a great big thank you.

I think you are including me in your lynch list in hopes to get some traction there and move the focus from yourself. Last I saw there was no big consensus to create a tie, just a bunch of people who did not want to make a move and decided to let things stand. You may have had 3 or 4 people who vocalized a desire for a tie, if that many.

[Mustang]

I still think mustang is my pick for tomorrow, but thats just me...note that everyone before i die(possible)

Not sure I follow why... killing me tomorrow proves nothing especially when you find out I'm a Samurai. Then you'll really have a wasted day again. You still have the unknown with Lathum and Tangle and Gramm. Best cause for us Samurai is that one of them is a Ninja, particularly Tangle and that would go a ways in clearing both me and Gramm.

Unless you think I'm a Ninja and that ballsy in possibly attempting to have another party member killed by forcing a tie.

[Blade6119]

Not sure I follow why... killing me tomorrow proves nothing especially when you find out I'm a Samurai. Then you'll really have a wasted day again. You still have the unknown with Lathum and Tangle and Gramm. Best cause for us Samurai is that one of them is a Ninja, particularly Tangle and that would go a ways in clearing both me and Gramm.

Unless you think I'm a Ninja and that ballsy in possibly attempting to have another party member killed...
becuase i still think both of the two on the block today were samurai...i think the tie was good, as while we didnt kill a ninja we didnt kill a villager...we hurt the ninjas with that, as their goal is to get 1-1..in my mind, lynching either would put us down a villager and make the ninjas that much closer. We have gone through 3 villager killing phases and we has lost 1 villager...i think thats damn good

[Mustang]

becuase i still think both of the two on the block today were samurai...i think the tie was good, as while we didnt kill a ninja we didnt kill a villager...

Exactly it was good for the villagers as no one was lost.

Well then, if you think I'm a ninja and both of them were Samurai, why would I want to force a tie then? Forcing a tie gives the Ninja a 50/50 chance that no one will die.

If I'm a Ninja, I sit back and just let Lathum or Tangle die. There is no benefit in a Ninja keeping known villagers around.

If you are a Ninja, you whittle the numbers as quick as possible... not hope to whittle the numbers.

[Alan T]

Well, I'm not sure how anyone can know before hand that there were no tiebreakers, but it looks like i unfortunatly tied myself to tanglewood (who i had actually voted for earlier) by doing this. I guess now I better hope tanglewood ends up being a samurai, or I am toast too.

[Blade6119]

Exactly it was good for the villagers as no one was lost.

Well then, if you think I'm a ninja and both of them were Samurai, why would I want to force a tie then? Forcing a tie gives the Ninja a 50/50 chance that no one will die.

If I'm a Ninja, I sit back and just let Lathum or Tangle die. There is no benefit in a Ninja keeping known villagers around.

If you are a Ninja, you whittle the numbers as quick as possible... not hope to whittle the numbers.
If your a ninja you assume there is a tie-breaker like the rest of us

[Mustang]

If your a ninja you assume there is a tie-breaker like the rest of us

Assumption. If both were Samurai, why even risk the potential of there not being a tiebreaker.

[Blade6119]

ONE LAST THOUGHT ON THE TIE:

IN PAST GAMES THE TIE-BREAKER MERELY MEANT THE TIE-BREAKERS VOTE COUNTED FOR TWO...ITS POSSIBLE WE HAVE ONE, BUT HE DIDNT NOT VOTE FOR TANGLE OR LATHUM...THERE FOR WE COULD STILL HAVE A TIE-BREAKER THAT DIDNT COME INTO EFFECT HERE...JUST A THOUGHT

[Blade6119]

Assumption. If both were Samurai, why even risk the potential of there not being a tiebreaker.
I have never been in a game where there was not some form of tie-breaker...hence why im inclined to believe what i posted just now one above this

[tanglewood]

It is interesting that you left AlanT off this list of lynch candidates. He is the swing vote that caused a tie that resulted in a setback for the Samurai and he was on the Fozzie vote with you Tanglewood. He also just saved you from getting lynched. Very convenient to leave him off your lynch list. Almost like a great big thank you.

I think you are including me in your lynch list in hopes to get some traction there and move the focus from yourself. Last I saw there was no big consensus to create a tie, just a bunch of people who did not want to make a move and decided to let things stand. You may have had 3 or 4 people who vocalized a desire for a tie, if that many.

True, I forgot about Alan T, he didn't cross my mind when creating the list. I guess one could add him as a possible lynch candidate but I see what he did more as following the consensus village position than any personal motive. Just look at the immediate reactions to his vote switch, most everyone in the thread seemed relieved. There were 12/13 in the thread at the time IIRC and off the top of my head 4 or 5 replied seeming relieved. Presumably if the others wanted someting else they would either switch votes or at least state their position.

So, if we take the creation of a tie via consensus as given (obviously you disagree, but if anyone had any objections they were not voiced), then what you did on the other hand was very much against the consensus village position, therefore more notable than Alan T following it, therefore more worthy of being noted in a possible lynch list. Add in the general actions and demeanour of dubb and I think it creates an interesting situation.

I am borderline considering voluenteering to be lynched tommorow, provided nothing unusual happens during the night. It was to me Gramm switched his vote so, if both me and Lathum are samurai, it would provide more info if I were to die than Lathum (thouh if Lathum were lynched it could be infered, but not explicit). However, this would be guarenteeing a samurai death tommorow, which is never a good thing, and it would be more valuable to go hunting real ninja as opposed to finding out what the frig happened the previous day.

[Blade6119]

Assumption. If both were Samurai, why even risk the potential of there not being a tiebreaker.
if i thought voting for you would have mattered i would have, but one of those two were going down and i wanted a tie-breaker so we could clear a villager(the tiebreaker)...if i didnt think one was coming, i would have stuck on you

[Mustang]

if i thought voting for you would have mattered i would have, but one of those two were going down and i wanted a tie-breaker so we could clear a villager(the tiebreaker)...if i didnt think one was coming, i would have stuck on you

I'm talking about me voting. Not you.

You think I'm a ninja and the others are Samurai so, why would I (not you) risk a potential tiebreaker where no Samurai would die?

[Blade6119]

I'm talking about me voting. Not you.

You think I'm a ninja and the others are Samurai so, why would I (not you) risk a potential tiebreaker where no Samurai would die?
becuase if i was a ninja i would still be 99.9 % sure there was a tie-breaker(i have no idea how a ninja could have known), and therefore your vote looks villagerish, and the tie breaker makes sure either lathum or tangle dies...the wolves never have the tie-breaker, so up until hoops posted lynch results every wolf thought a tie would be broken

[hoopsguy]

At this point I am going to bed. Will post night actions tomorrow morning when I have them. And we can then hammer out the most equitable time to end Day 3.

[Mustang]

becuase if i was a ninja i would still be 99.9 % sure there was a tie-breaker

2 choices.

Door #1 - 100% certain you will get a million dollars.

Door #2 - 99.9% cetain you will get a million dollars
- .1% chance you get nothing

Which door do you take?

Ya sure, I get your point.. you think that in my eyes I have nothing to lose, there just has to be a tiebreaker.

Sorry but, in my eyes, If I'm a Ninja, I'm already on the chopping block, I give absolutely nothing to chance and I go with the known.

[Grammaticus]

ONE LAST THOUGHT ON THE TIE:

IN PAST GAMES THE TIE-BREAKER MERELY MEANT THE TIE-BREAKERS VOTE COUNTED FOR TWO...ITS POSSIBLE WE HAVE ONE, BUT HE DIDNT NOT VOTE FOR TANGLE OR LATHUM...THERE FOR WE COULD STILL HAVE A TIE-BREAKER THAT DIDNT COME INTO EFFECT HERE...JUST A THOUGHT
This is definately possible. Although my moving the vote off a tie, gave the potential tie breaker person who would have been sitting on another candidate the opportunity to move to Lathum and re-make a tie, using their role to create a situation that clears them.

Couple of things. One bad guys have tie breaker roles too (in past games). Two, the potential tie-breaker was not on the board at the time (was everyone who did not have a vote on Tangle or Lathum online at vote deadline?) Or Three, the potential tie breaker person did not want to out themselves and kept their vote on a third person. Of course their is the possibility that there is simply no tie breaker role.

It could have gone either way, in this case going for the tie caused a setback. Good thing is it is early in the game and we can rebound.

Blade and Mustang, when you say it was good because a Samurai did not die, that does not make sense. If that was the case, don't lynch anyone unless you are sure and see if that strategy ever garners a win for the Samurai. Bottom line is, over the long run no lynch = net gain for the Ninja.

[Mustang]

Blade and Mustang, when you say it was good because a Samurai did not die, that does not make sense. If that was the case, don't lynch anyone unless you are sure and see if that strategy ever garners a win for the Samurai. Bottom line is, over the long run no lynch = net gain for the Ninja.

Blade is under the assumption that both are innocent so, it was a good thing neither died... I am of the opinion that it is better that an innocent didn't die.

Best case - Ninja dead, Neutral - No one, Bad - Samurai dies.

[Lathum]

OK, I am off to bed.
I have to work during the day tomorrow and then have a doctors appointment after work so I won't be around much. Please don't take my silence the wrong way. I am leaning towards AlanT right now, he has tried to spread the suspiscion around and Saldana made some good points about him.

That is assuming I am still alive.

[Grammaticus]

True, I forgot about Alan T, he didn't cross my mind when creating the list. I guess one could add him as a possible lynch candidate but I see what he did more as following the consensus village position than any personal motive. Just look at the immediate reactions to his vote switch, most everyone in the thread seemed relieved. There were 12/13 in the thread at the time IIRC and off the top of my head 4 or 5 replied seeming relieved. Presumably if the others wanted someting else they would either switch votes or at least state their position.

For reference, I checked. After my vote change Blade expressed dissappointment (2 times), he obviously wanted a tie. Alan switched his vote and said it was to counter my vote change, indicating he wanted a tie or wanted to protect you. Mustang indicated he would have switched if he could, indicating he wanted a tie. Then you thanked AlanT for moving it back to a tie, which really indicates you just wanted to survive, no real feelings on a tie for the sake of a tie. So that sums up to 3 people expressing a desire for a tie (Blade, Alan and Mustang, not counting you cause it saved you). No one else expressed tie support. As I said before, most people don't want to put themselves out there and commit one way or the other. Don't fool yourself thinking there was a big consensus for a tie.

I've played the tie game before, most people don't want it and will not be vocal about it, just in case it works. Now that you are on the short end of it, you are trying to sugar coat it.

[Grammaticus]

Blade is under the assumption that both are innocent so, it was a good thing neither died... I am of the opinion that it is better that an innocent didn't die.

Best case - Ninja dead, Neutral - No one, Bad - Samurai dies.

Don't fool yourself or anyone else. A tie that results in no lynch is not good, unless a player uses a special ability to save a Samurai (that did not happen). If that were the case, we would not have lynched anyone on day one under the premise of "hey, no good guys died, whoopee, we are doing good". Repeat that tomorrow, etc.

You cannot kill a Ninja unless you try. If that does not make sense, then nothing will.

[Desnudo]

We are in the same boat tomorrow as we were today, except that a samurai will probably die tonight now that blade can no longer protect anyone. A tie where no one dies is not a good thing.

[tanglewood]

Off to bed. See everyone tomorrow.

[Desnudo]

For reference, I checked. After my vote change Blade expressed dissappointment (2 times), he obviously wanted a tie. Alan switched his vote and said it was to counter my vote change, indicating he wanted a tie or wanted to protect you. Mustang indicated he would have switched if he could, indicating he wanted a tie. Then you thanked AlanT for moving it back to a tie, which really indicates you just wanted to survive, no real feelings on a tie for the sake of a tie. So that sums up to 3 people expressing a desire for a tie (Blade, Alan and Mustang, not counting you cause it saved you). No one else expressed tie support. As I said before, most people don't want to put themselves out there and commit one way or the other. Don't fool yourself thinking there was a big consensus for a tie.

I've played the tie game before, most people don't want it and will not be vocal about it, just in case it works. Now that you are on the short end of it, you are trying to sugar coat it.

The tie gambit made sense, since it was reasonable to assume that a tiebreaker would occur. Obviously in hindsight, it was not a good move, but I understand why people did it.

[saldana]

honorable Kurosawa agrees totally with the statements on Grammaticus-san regarding that this fiasco was not beneficial to our noble cause. we have made no progress towards our goal of eliminating the Ninja, and they have eliminated our bodyguard, and will eliminate one of us tonight. i thought the tie was a bad idea, but unfortunately could not be on the board at the deadline to break it by moving my vote, despite the risk to myself in doing so (stupid job)

Alant-san's actions add even more suspicion on my part to his already substantial Ninja profile. If I am dead in the morning, I cannot stress enough my belief that his is Ninja.

also, I fear for all of your safety when Shogun Norris-sama sees how many of you have insulted him by not paying him the respect he deserves when referring to his esteemed self.

[Coder]

Oh boy.. is Chuck a ninja?

Seriously, I'm going to look deeper into this later.. haven't had time to read everything but I have a meeting I need to go to.

[Mr. Wednesday]

and that kids, is why a tie is a bad thing.

a major win for the ninja's.A win for the ninjas if one of theirs was on the block. A win for the village if only a samurai would have lost his life.

[TazFTW]

Jack Bauer would have shot both of them...

[Coder]

A win for the ninjas if one of theirs was on the block. A win for the village if only a samurai would have lost his life.

It's still a win for the ninja no matter what, since they already know who's who.. we're still in the dark.

[Alan T]

honorable Kurosawa agrees totally with the statements on Grammaticus-san regarding that this fiasco was not beneficial to our noble cause. we have made no progress towards our goal of eliminating the Ninja, and they have eliminated our bodyguard, and will eliminate one of us tonight. i thought the tie was a bad idea, but unfortunately could not be on the board at the deadline to break it by moving my vote, despite the risk to myself in doing so (stupid job)

Alant-san's actions add even more suspicion on my part to his already substantial Ninja profile. If I am dead in the morning, I cannot stress enough my belief that his is Ninja.

also, I fear for all of your safety when Shogun Norris-sama sees how many of you have insulted him by not paying him the respect he deserves when referring to his esteemed self.



I took a chance there, I'll admit it. Like I said, if tanglewood ends up being a ninja, then I really don't have a great defense other than no one was speaking against trying for a tie at the time, it seemed like what at least the vocal majority wanted, and I had no idea there wouldn't be a tie (which would have been the case if I was a ninja too). If tanglewood ends up being a ninja , then I probably would vote for myself too :(

[Alan T]

Well Im out till later today. offsite most of the day at a vendor.

[Coder]

Maybe Coder is an early riser.

No, this honorable Samurai likes to sleep in. :)

[Qwikshot]

My hours have changed, I work the 6AM to 2:30PM shift, I'm in bed by like 9-9:30PM, just in case someone is wondering about my lack of participation.

[Coder]

Ok, so what we have here is a situation where tonight's killing probably won't help us either.

If I were a ninja I'd stay away from the people we already consider safe, i.e. Blade, King and Qwik (all to a certain extent, Blade more so than the others I guess (unless Chuck is a ninja and really messing with us). I'd also stay away from both Tangle and Lathum, even if they're samurai, simply because we've got our eyes on them at the moment and as long as we're focusing on anyone that's not a ninja, the ninjas are winning. (I'm not saying these two guys aren't Ninjas, just saying that I don't think that even if they were samurai, the ninja won't kill them just yet). Finally, I'd stay away from Mustang since he's the third person to be very scrutinized lately.

That leaves the rest of us as likely candidates for a killing in the nightaction.

[KWhit]

Here's what we have after 2 days. Please let me know if something's incorrect. I took some previous posts by Alan T and updated them to include the votes cast after he made his posts. Hopefully this helps.

Day 1
Saldana votes Eaglesfan27 (1)
Eaglesfan27 votes Saldana (1)
Blade votes Dubb93 (1)
Rpi votes blade (1)
dubb votes tanglewood (1)
kingfc22 votes Alan T (1)
Rpi UNVOTES blade (0)
sirfozzie votes Saldana (2)
Alan T votes Sirfozzie (1)
Schmidty votes Dubb (2)
Blade UNVOTES Dubb (1)
Blade votes Sirfozzie (2)
rpi votes Blade (1)
Dubb UNVOTES Tanglewood (0)
Dubb votes SirFozzie (3)
coder votes mustang (1)
sirfozzie UNVOTES Saldana (1)
Sirfozzie votes dubb (2)
Eaglesfan UNVOTES Saldana (0)
Eaglesfan votes dubb (3)
saldana UNVOTES eaglesfan (0)
tanglewood votes Sirfozzie (4)
kwhit votes blade (2)
lathum votes blade (3)
Rpi UNVOTES blade (2)
rpi votes qwikshot (1)
saldana votes sirfozzie (5)
qwikshot votes rpi (1)
qwikshot UNVOTES rpi (0)
packerfanatic votes sirfozzie (6)
desnudo votes kingfc22 (1)
sirfozzie UNVOTES dubb (2)
sirfozzie votes blade (3)
kingfc22 UNVOTES alan T (0)
kingfc22 votes sirfozzie (7)
path12 votes kingfc22 (2)
tazftw votes blade (4)
Qwik votes SirFozzie (8)
Mr. Wednesday votes blade (5)
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Votes:
SirFozzie (8) - AlanT (137), Blade (149), Dubb (167), Tanglewood (324), Saldana (405), PackerFanatic (460), Kingfc (482), Qwikshot (569)
Blade (5) - Kwhit (383), Lathum (387), SirFozzie (473), TazFTW (506), Mr. W (572)
Dubb (2) - Schmidty (146), Eaglesfan (180)
Mustang (1) - Coder (168)
Qwikshot (1) - RPI (400)
Kingfc (2) - Desnudo (466), Path (496)
No Vote (1) - Mustang



Day 2
Grammaticus votes Mustang (1)
Alan T votes tazftw (1)
blade votes mustang (2)
mustang votes mustang (3)
eaglesfan votes mustang (4)
lathum votes mustang (5)
tanglewood votes lathum (1)
coder votes lathum (2)
mustang UNVOTES mustang (4)
path votes packerfan (1)
saldana votes alan t (1)
king votes lathum (3)
rpi votes path (1)
mr. wednesday votes tanglewood (1)
qwikshot votes tanglewood (2)
mustang votes rpi (1)
lathum UNVOTES mustang (3)
lathum votes tanglewood (3)
desnudo votes lathum (4)
kwhit votes tanglewood (4)
blade UNVOTES mustang (2)
blade votes lathum (5)
alan t UNVOTES tazftw (0)
alan t votes Tanglewood (5)
packer votes lathum (6)
taz votes tanglewood (6)
schmidty votes tanglewood (7)
mustang unvotes rpi (0)
mustang votes lathum (7)
gram unvotes mustang (1)
gram votes tanglewood (8)
alan t unvotes tanglewood (7)
alan t votes mustang (2)
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Final votes:
Mustang (2) - Eaglesfan (754), AlanT (1061)
Lathum (7) - Tanglewood (798), Coder (800), Kingfc (859), Desnudo (921), Blade (959), PackerFanatic (967), Mustang (1042)
PackerFanatic (1) - Path (851)
AlanT (1) - Saldana (856)
Path (1) - RPI-Fan (865)
Tanglewood (7) - Mr. Wednesday (876), Qwikshot (881), Lathum (899), KWhit (958), TazFTW (985), Schmidty (999), Grammaticus (1055)

[hoopsguy]

It is a quiet evening - definitely too quiet. Just before dawn you smell the burning wood; it is clear that there is a fire outside!

Chuck is up bright and early and greets you before you can move to investigate the two burning buildings (yes, two).

"Last night you saw your numbers sliced - two samurai will not be joining us this morning. I have given Path12 and PackerFanatic more dignity through this act of cleansing than their killers did last evening. For two days and evenings the ninjas have roamed about this town unchecked. I expect that the remaining samurai will prove their worthiness soon ..."

Dead Samurai:
SirFozzie
Path12
PackerFanatic

Dead Ninjas:

Remaining Warriors:
Lathum
TazFTW
Coder
KWhit
Eaglesfan27
RPI-Fan
Blade6119
Schmidty
Tanglewood
Mr. Wednesday
Qwikshot
Mustang
Saldana
Desnudo
Grammaticus
Kingfc22
AlanT

Day 3 has begun. I would like to set an evening deadline - does 9PM CST work for everyone? If not, then lets push it back to sometime tomorrow during the day later than 8AM where the board has more activity. I do want both sides to have equal opportunity to influence the vote. Please include this in your discussion today so I can either confirm the 9PM time or move it as early as possible today.

[Qwikshot]

Somebody better have some info, soon. And we should've not had a tie last night.

Vote Tangle

[KWhit]

I would like to set an evening deadline - does 9PM CST work for everyone?
I like that idea. 9pm CST works for me.

[KWhit]

So 2 Samurai killed. I guess Chuck was pissed off that we had a tie.

[Coder]

Ok, I've just spent 2 hours reading through this entire thread and sifting through the comments, wading through the personal squabbles, slicing through the commentary.. whatever..

1) I would not have voted Lathum last night had I been awake at the deadline.. nor would I have voted Tanglewood. I'm certainly not complaining that you moved the deadline, just a point. Thing is though, my definite candidate didn't come up until after the initial deadline either, so either I would have been blank or someone else would have gotten my vote.. just not Lathum

2) I have a few really interesting suspects in my eyes..

Grammaticus/Dubb
Reading through Dubb's post and Gram's quick entry with a long comment and some dubious voting has him high up on my list. The deadlinevoting was just terrible, trying to break the tie was extremely suspicious.

AlanT
He cast the first vote for Fozzie, not in a random way, but a rather detailed analysis.. Too detailed for a first vote on day 1? I think so. Add to that a rather interesting voting record.. Day 2: First TazFTW.. from where? Left Field?.. Then changes to Tangle to tie with Lathum only to finally drop Tangle to once again tie Lathum. I don't know.. just feels weird.

TazFTW
If nothing else, then just because he's never said why he votes for the people he vote for. Just a vote in the post, nothing else. On day 2 the vote he cast tied it up between Tangle and Lathum at 6.

I also have some "grey" suspects which I don't want to write yet..

Finally, as far as the Blade-action went.. is it POSSIBLE that the target was Blade and not King? The King-door shuriken was just to indicate to us that Blade had chosen to guard King, but being the bodyguard he was nearly killed but saved by the intervention of Qwik? Or something like that..

[Eaglesfan27]

becuase i still think both of the two on the block today were samurai...i think the tie was good, as while we didnt kill a ninja we didnt kill a villager...we hurt the ninjas with that, as their goal is to get 1-1..in my mind, lynching either would put us down a villager and make the ninjas that much closer. We have gone through 3 villager killing phases and we has lost 1 villager...i think thats damn good
I just am catching up. I think it was very good IF they are both Samurai. My instincts still tell me that they both were, however, I'm less sure today than I was yesterday.

[Eaglesfan27]

Wow. Now, I'm all caught up. Terrible turn of events last night. We need to nail a ninja soon. I'm not sure how busy work will be, but I'll try to check in periodically throughout the day to keep caught up, and offer any pertinent thoughts.

[Eaglesfan27]

Double Dola -

I'm all for a 9 PM CST deadline.

[Blade6119]

Heres my clear thoughts on last night now that class is over and im wide awake...why kill two people that were pretty inconsequential to that last vote? Beacuse they want us to make the same vote...they want us to pick between lathum and tangle...i say we dont give them what they want. If a wolf was on the block you kill someone far closer to the vote, someone who makes people look at new options(like me, or kwhit). They did what they did becuase they want us to kill one of those two...it would be rather foolish to oblige them. Now i think mustang is still a good choice with how he was by far the top canidate and ended with almost no votes on him at the end of the day for only the reason of him not liking getting called out(what ninja would think that) and threatening to quit. Outside of him, i saw we go after people we didnt look at at all yesterday. I think that night kill was a nice hint for us, a slip-up by the wolves in my mind. Lets not return the favor like we did with the tie.

[KWhit]

I think Chuck killed the two Samurai - not the ninjas. Re-read the post.

[Qwikshot]

Chuck didn't kill the samurai, I think he gave them a decent burial.

[Blade6119]

Chuck didn't kill the samurai, I think he gave them a decent burial.
I took it like the ninjas pretty badly messed them up, and he just burned the houses to be decent

[KWhit]

Hmmmm...

[Coder]

Blade... You're experienced in the game, does the below make any sense to you or am I gone fishing?

Finally, as far as the Blade-action went.. is it POSSIBLE that the target was Blade and not King? The King-door shuriken was just to indicate to us that Blade had chosen to guard King, but being the bodyguard he was nearly killed but saved by the intervention of Qwik? Or something like that..

[KWhit]

You guys are right. Damn, I need to take some reading comprehension classes.

"Last night you saw your numbers sliced - two samurai will not be joining us this morning. I have given Path12 and PackerFanatic more dignity through this act of cleansing than their killers did last evening. For two days and evenings the ninjas have roamed about this town unchecked. I expect that the remaining samurai will prove their worthiness soon ..."

I overlooked the part I bolded. Duh!

[KWhit]

I am somewhat surprised that the ninjas didn't go after those that we think are cleared like Blade, Qwik, and King.

The fewer unknown guys that are still left the better for us, so I'm actually glad they chose the guys they did. Of course, they were probably hoping to get the seer (which they know isn't Blade and probably isn't Qwik).

[Blade6119]

Blade... You're experienced in the game, does the below make any sense to you or am I gone fishing?
Qwik came along after the ninjas left, so i highly doubt he had anything to do with it, and my night action had no mention of the shiruken, which makes me think it was from the ninjas...all signs point to king being the target but one, which is if he was why did i lose my powers and was snuck up upon. As an elite fighter, i shouldnt of had this happen if i was watching over king. This opens up the option i was the target, but its the only thing...qwik is not involved in that part if you ask me, and was out for different reasons. The shiruken is what tells me it was king, as nothing in my PM mentioned the shiruken, and its generally a ninja assasination weapon...but im still at a loss for why i lost my powers if it was king(hoops wont tell me), so i assume one of the ninjas has a special role that just f'd me up

[Blade6119]

I am somewhat surprised that the ninjas didn't go after those that we think are cleared like Blade, Qwik, and King.

The fewer unknown guys that are still left the better for us, so I'm actually glad they chose the guys they did. Of course, they were probably hoping to get the seer (which they know isn't Blade and probably isn't Qwik).
I thought they made a big mistake when i saw that, and i actually doubt they were seer hunting. I honestly think they thought it was the best move to keep people looking in the wrong direction. Then when a villager dies, everyone who voted for him goes under the microscope...a nice wild goose chase like last game

[Qwikshot]

Heres my clear thoughts on last night now that class is over and im wide awake...why kill two people that were pretty inconsequential to that last vote? Beacuse they want us to make the same vote...they want us to pick between lathum and tangle...i say we dont give them what they want. If a wolf was on the block you kill someone far closer to the vote, someone who makes people look at new options(like me, or kwhit). They did what they did becuase they want us to kill one of those two...it would be rather foolish to oblige them. Now i think mustang is still a good choice with how he was by far the top canidate and ended with almost no votes on him at the end of the day for only the reason of him not liking getting called out(what ninja would think that) and threatening to quit. Outside of him, i saw we go after people we didnt look at at all yesterday. I think that night kill was a nice hint for us, a slip-up by the wolves in my mind. Lets not return the favor like we did with the tie.

I going to say this is wrong.

I think only one samurai was killed by ninjas.

I think to keep most people guessing, it's easier to vote on a run than try to justify your actions voting elsewhere; not that I think all ninjas voted on the runs.

As horrific as it is, it is better to lynch than to tie. We have come full circle and lost two samurai in the process.

As bad as it is even if you reduce our numbers through lynching you still increase the chances that by the next lynching you will have picked a ninja, we have nothing further to go on...though I must admit that while Chuck did the honorable thing of creating a pyre for our dead, he might've waited till we could figure out more about the dead or clues to their killers...

I doubt any of the ninjas changed votes, that would be too obvious. Whether we were close in our guess as to whether Tangle or Lathum was a ninja would be answered until later.

[Blade6119]

I going to say this is wrong.

I think only one samurai was killed by ninjas.

I think to keep most people guessing, it's easier to vote on a run than try to justify your actions voting elsewhere; not that I think all ninjas voted on the runs.

As horrific as it is, it is better to lynch than to tie. We have come full circle and lost two samurai in the process.

As bad as it is even if you reduce our numbers through lynching you still increase the chances that by the next lynching you will have picked a ninja, we have nothing further to go on...though I must admit that while Chuck did the honorable thing of creating a pyre for our dead, he might've waited till we could figure out more about the dead or clues to their killers...

I doubt any of the ninjas changed votes, that would be too obvious. Whether we were close in our guess as to whether Tangle or Lathum was a ninja would be answered until later.
Your assuming a samurai assasin was out last night?

[Coder]

but im still at a loss for why i lost my powers if it was king(hoops wont tell me), so i assume one of the ninjas has a special role that just f'd me up

This has me believing that you were the target of at least one of the attacks and that there were two.

[Blade6119]

This has me believing that you were the target of at least one of the attacks and that there were two.
But theres the catch...wheres the second attack? The only scenario some of this makes sense, which is tricky, is if king is a ninja(which might not even be possible)...but if i was sitting on his roof he would have perfect chance to sneak up on me...and if he was the one the ninjas picked to do the night kill then it makes sense why no one else died and i lost my powers...its a stretch, but possible

[KWhit]

Blade... You're experienced in the game, does the below make any sense to you or am I gone fishing?
Finally, as far as the Blade-action went.. is it POSSIBLE that the target was Blade and not King? The King-door shuriken was just to indicate to us that Blade had chosen to guard King, but being the bodyguard he was nearly killed but saved by the intervention of Qwik? Or something like that..

Thinking out loud alittle bit...

As I was sort of getting at in my last post, the best kill from a ninja standpoint is probably King. Why? Because we're leaning toward him being good (because of the fact that many of us think the attack on night 1 was meant for him) so we're probably not going to vote him off. The ninjas should be going after the innocents that we are less likely to vote for. At this point, that's Blade, Qwik, and King. We have a pretty good idea that Blade and Qwik aren't the seer. So that leaves King as a logical kill choice for the ninjas because he could be the seer and is not a likely candidate to be "lynched".

So why didn't the ninjas kill him? Perhaps it's because King is actually a ninja and the attack on night one was meant for Blade.

[Qwikshot]

Your assuming a samurai assasin was out last night?

A vigilante seems probable, I mean for ninjas to be able to kill more than once is a frightening prospect don't you think.

[Coder]

But theres the catch...wheres the second attack? The only scenario some of this makes sense, which is tricky, is if king is a ninja(which might not even be possible)...but if i was sitting on his roof he would have perfect chance to sneak up on me...and if he was the one the ninjas picked to do the night kill then it makes sense why no one else died and i lost my powers...its a stretch, but possible

Could be that you managed to divert the attack on king, but not the one on yourself?

That's just a wild stab in the dark.

[Qwikshot]

I think it's worthless to kill Blade, king or me so quickly, I mean, when you see a fly struggling in the web making itself more tangled but you have the chance to spin a bigger web...don't you spin the bigger web to catch more flies?

This is a point of frustration...maybe Tangle and Lathum aren't ninja...

unvote Tangle

[Blade6119]

A vigilante seems probable, I mean for ninjas to be able to kill more than once is a frightening prospect don't you think.
I do, but i also wonder if its dependent upon a tie...it might be set-up so a tie=two night kills...though im still fairly certain we have a tie-breaker that just didnt vote for either canidate...but yes, 2 a night is unfair...it could also be pay-back for night one where they got 0

[Coder]

Thinking out loud alittle bit...

As I was sort of getting at in my last post, the best kill from a ninja standpoint is probably King. Why? Because we're leaning toward him being good (because of the fact that many of us think the attack on night 1 was meant for him) so we're probably not going to vote him off. The ninjas should be going after the innocents that we are less likely to vote for. At this point, that's Blade, Qwik, and King. We have a pretty good idea that Blade and Qwik aren't the seer. So that leaves King as a logical kill choice for the ninjas because he could be the seer and is not a likely candidate to be "lynched".

So why didn't the ninjas kill him? Perhaps it's because King is actually a ninja and the attack on night one was meant for Blade.

I disagree with the reasoning, though Blade is saying the same thing you are. If I were a ninja I would have done something similar as to what they did tonight (I explained that two posts above hoopsguy's description of the night). I think they'd want to us to keep working targets we're already on, therefore it was also in their interest to get the tie last night.

[Blade6119]

Could be that you managed to divert the attack on king, but not the one on yourself?

That's just a wild stab in the dark.
I highly doubt there were two attacks...two attack nights(like last night) are extremly rare...usually predicated upon a wolf assasin role...for them to have two attacks two nights in a row means they had either two assasins(i dont buy that) or it didnt happen...there was one attack on night on, on either myself, king, or someone else and king was the attacker(i interrupted his plans)

[Coder]

dola, that disagreement was only in regards to their selection of targets. I also have my concerns with regards to the real target of the night 1 attack.

[Blade6119]

I disagree with the reasoning, though Blade is saying the same thing you are. If I were a ninja I would have done something similar as to what they did tonight (I explained that two posts above hoopsguy's description of the night). I think they'd want to us to keep working targets we're already on, therefore it was also in their interest to get the tie last night.
I said i think they did what they did so we voted for the same people...i think its fairly critical we vote for new people...right now im thinking about king, kwhit, and mustang...gramat and qwik are my two trusted right now

[Coder]

impossible to get a dola in with blade surfing the board ;)

[Blade6119]

impossible to get a dola in with blade surfing the board ;)
Im actually posting fairly long thoughts too...imagine when i revert to my 5 word thoughts again :D

[Coder]

right now I'm a bit insecure.. I have stated my list of possible votegetters, but as it stands I'll try to hang on to whatever Blade does, since I'm certain he's a good guy.

[Qwikshot]

Could be that you managed to divert the attack on king, but not the one on yourself?

That's just a wild stab in the dark.

King's home attacked
Blade attacked
Qwik to the rescue
No kills for the ninja.

Is it possible that the ninjas along with the vigilante targeted the same person? Thus negating a kill?

Is it possible there is more than one vigilante samurai?

Is it possible that a bodyguard thwarted the ninja's attack on king but has not claimed his role due to the fact that he can renew his abilities every night?

Is it possible that ninajs can only kill every /other/ night?

Finally, is it possible that the ninajs aren't working in tandem, and that they have to search to find fellow ninjas?

[KWhit]

I disagree with the reasoning, though Blade is saying the same thing you are. If I were a ninja I would have done something similar as to what they did tonight (I explained that two posts above hoopsguy's description of the night). I think they'd want to us to keep working targets we're already on, therefore it was also in their interest to get the tie last night.
I agree, but by killing King they wouldn't have changed who we were looking at, just taken a "known" (using that term loosely) samurai off the table as opposed to two guys that are totally unknowns to us. Doesn't seem logical to me.

[Blade6119]

King's home attacked
Blade attacked
Qwik to the rescue
No kills for the ninja.
Kings home was not attacked per se...there was just something in his door....that could have been a sign from hoops as well...

Is it possible that the ninjas along with the vigilante targeted the same person? Thus negating a kill?
I highly doubt it, but possible...that would make you the vigilante if true...you can answer that question better then me, but was attacked by one person then you came along. I think i know why you were out, but you havent said anything about it so i have not either. I will only go down that road when you want to for reasons i think we both know.

Is it possible there is more than one vigilante samurai?
Very possible, very likely. But if so they should have spoken up(1 on night one if true, another sometime today)...if one does today, i think he becomes the seer night scan and we clear a villager or find a wolf

Is it possible that a bodyguard thwarted the ninja's attack on king but has not claimed his role due to the fact that he can renew his abilities every night?
I highly doubt we have two bodyguards, as i was one. And if we do, id love to ask him a few questions as i had role details i havent shared for this exact reason. If one comes along, hes going to have to have bloody memorized his role with how much ill grill him....

Is it possible that ninajs can only kill every /other/ night?
I cant imagine thats true, as ninjas(it was clear it was a ninja) attacked me on night one

Finally, is it possible that the ninajs aren't working in tandem, and that they have to search to find fellow ninjas?
How would they select night kills then...the ninjas know each other and can talk...they may be seperated in who they are supporting(likely), but they are not seperated in knowledge

[Blade6119]

I agree, but by killing King they wouldn't have changed who we were looking at, just taken a "known" (using that term loosely) samurai off the table as opposed to two guys that are totally unknowns to us. Doesn't seem logical to me.
The only reason i see to kill two unknowns over myself, qwik, or possibly king is that they wanted the same results as yesterday. if we were on the right trail they would kill me and bring attention to people like mustang and others...their kills=us in the same place...they want us to kill lathum or tangle, or both...please dont

[Coder]

The only reason i see to kill two unknowns over myself, qwik, or possibly king is that they wanted the same results as yesterday. if we were on the right trail they would kill me and bring attention to people like mustang and others...their kills=us in the same place...they want us to kill lathum or tangle, or both...please dont

Ok, I had Lathum as my vote last night (though I would have changed it). However, I haven't completely let go of him. Thing is, the way the tie was worked up and hammered in, I get the feeling that the ninjas were helping to cause the tie for whatever reason.

[saldana]

I doubt any of the ninjas changed votes, that would be too obvious. Whether we were close in our guess as to whether Tangle or Lathum was a ninja would be answered until later.

honoroable Kurosawa is forced to disagree with this statement, most noble Qwikshot-san. after the last game with the last second vote switching heroics, it seems to be to be exactly what a ninja would do in last nights situation...he did what it appeared the consensus wanted, and did no harm, so he set himself up as the biggest team player among us, and since the decision on who would die (or wouldnt in that fiasco's case) had nothing to do with his vote, he couldnt be held liable for saving a ninja, just creating the tie.

i also agree with those that have said we should go in another direction today, so i suggest this one

vote AlanT

[Blade6119]

Ok, I had Lathum as my vote last night (though I would have changed it). However, I haven't completely let go of him. Thing is, the way the tie was worked up and hammered in, I get the feeling that the ninjas were helping to cause the tie for whatever reason.
I brought up the tie and was by far the biggest pusher for it(though mustang caused it...interesting note)...I honestly believe most people went along with it becuase of my requests.

Coder, the wolves were as clueless as we were there was no tie-breaker...so they wanted a tie merely to be able to know one more person isnt the seer or what not. Last night was win win for them...either we kill one, or the tie-breaker killed one...im betting they liked both options...im 99.9% sure they had no idea there wouldnt be a tie-breaker either...think about that when considering actions.

[Lathum]

I am starting to wonder why we are all so quick to give king a pass. Is it possible that king attatcked blade from behind, blinded him and then ran into his house when qwickshot came along? If blade threw the star blindly in the direction of his attatcker it would be the direction of kings house, would it not?

This is just something to discuss but for now

VOTE ALANT

I'll be out the whole day so I want to get in a vote in case I don't make it back for the deadline.

[Eaglesfan27]

Work is about to get busy in the next 10 to 15 minutes, but so far I'm agreeing with Blade's sentiment. I still think Tangle and Lathum are probably honorable Samurai, and that we should go in another direction. I still think I have some unresolved suspicions about Mustang that go beyond just my vote for him because he voted for himself platform. I'll wait to see if any good evidence comes along later today, but I'm leaning towards voting for Mustang at this point.

[Blade6119]

honoroable Kurosawa is forced to disagree with this statement, most noble Qwikshot-san. after the last game with the last second vote switching heroics, it seems to be to be exactly what a ninja would do in last nights situation...he did what it appeared the consensus wanted, and did no harm, so he set himself up as the biggest team player among us, and since the decision on who would die (or wouldnt in that fiasco's case) had nothing to do with his vote, he couldnt be held liable for saving a ninja, just creating the tie.

i also agree with those that have said we should go in another direction today, so i suggest this one

vote AlanT
Most interesting...heres my problem with that...if i was on tangle i would have made the exact same move...while im 99% sure gramat is good, he forced our hands and if i was on tangle i would have swapped. therefore i cant hold it against him. he did know i was the bodyguard, which means either he in a ninja or someone we need as he is acutally thinking things through. Im leaning hes good, so im interested in your vote. People who vote for players i think are playing good villager games catch my interest(king or i, a good player was targeted night one...meaning to me we have at least one vet wolf running things...which i why you and mr. w have been on my watch lists...)...interesting move buddy

[Blade6119]

I am starting to wonder why we are all so quick to give king a pass. Is it possible that king attatcked blade from behind, blinded him and then ran into his house when qwickshot came along? If blade threw the star blindly in the direction of his attatcker it would be the direction of kings house, would it not?

This is just something to discuss but for now

VOTE ALANT

I'll be out the whole day so I want to get in a vote in case I don't make it back for the deadline.
I did not throw the star...let me make that quite clear...and i dont think qwik did either....

[Coder]

think about that when considering actions.

Lathum is still off my radar.. AlanT feels the most interesting, but like I said earlier, until I've positive, I'll probably roll with whatever you say since I have complete trust in that you're a good guy.

[Blade6119]

Lathum is still off my radar.. AlanT feels the most interesting, but like I said earlier, until I've positive, I'll probably roll with whatever you say since I have complete trust in that you're a good guy.
heres my suspect list for today:
King
Mustang
Kwhit
Saldana
Mr. W

With alan a very distant option

Im working off that list right now. Ive already stated my trust list lies with gramat and qwik alone right now, while i have small amounts for other players i dont care to mention them. I trusted packers before last night so im sad to see him go.

[Blade6119]

Votes:
SirFozzie (8) - AlanT (137), Blade (149), Dubb (167), Tanglewood (324), Saldana (405), PackerFanatic (460), Kingfc (482), Qwikshot (569)
Blade (5) - Kwhit (383), Lathum (387), SirFozzie (473), TazFTW (506), Mr. W (572)
Dubb (2) - Schmidty (146), Eaglesfan (180)
Mustang (1) - Coder (168)
Qwikshot (1) - RPI (400)
Kingfc (2) - Desnudo (466), Path (496)
Day ones vote with analysis looking back:

Sirfozzie had myself, dubb/gramat(who i trust fully), packer(now a confirmed villager), qwik(fairly certain hes good)....thats a basically almost every person cleared so far...now we also have king(interesting there), alan and saldana(salanda just stared a vote against alan too)

On myself we have Kwhit(who im suspicious of right now for his part in defending mustang and leading the vote to others yesterday) Lathum who i feel is good, fozzie, taz and mr. w(both people im suspicious of, taz as a quit wolf and mr. w as a potential leader wolf).

Coder voted for mustang, and coder is somewhere in my trust field
RPI voted for qwik shot, which doesnt look good now, and RPI has been someone all game ive been watching...very possible route to take would be RPI

Lastly on king we have desnudo and path...path is now dead, desnudo not...where you stand on king should lead to where you stand on desnudo...but seeing path die is quite interesting in regards to kings innocence...

After this: King, RPI, taz/mr. w, and saldana/alan look bad...a/b means one or the other, not likely both

Alan im trusting for now as i think his vote swap was a villager as it gets

[Qwikshot]

I'm leaning with kwhit as voteworthy.

vote Kwhit

[saldana]

Im leaning hes good, so im interested in your vote. People who vote for players i think are playing good villager games catch my interest(king or i, a good player was targeted night one...meaning to me we have at least one vet wolf running things...which i why you and mr. w have been on my watch lists...)...interesting move buddy

same move i made yesterday...

what besides the fact that he agreed with you about causing the tie (which i think we can all agree benefited the ninjas, regardless of intent) makes you think he is a good guy. as i pointed out yesterday (during my racist phase, so no one probably understood what the hell i was talking about) twice during day 1 he characterized other peoples votes as part of a pile on...2 of us, including me asked him about it, and he apologized and said he just misstated his thoughts, and then proceeded to do the exact same thing later on in the day. it seemed to me that he was trying to make sure some negative connotations went towards me and without looking back kwhit and qwik, but those names could be wrong.

add to that the fact that i do have reason to trust Gram...he is not a dead solid lock into my highest level of trust, but he is close...alant's last second heroics (sarcasm) worked against Gram's late switch, and although i agree that the ninja had no way of knowing what the tiebreak deal was going to be, if Tanglewood is a ninja (i would have changed my vote to him, but was not able to post at the time), it was a perfect opportunity for Alan to save one of his own and do it under the premise of supporting the idea of one of the only guaranteed good guys at this point.

[Mr. Wednesday]

On myself we have Kwhit(who im suspicious of right now for his part in defending mustang and leading the vote to others yesterday) Lathum who i feel is good, fozzie, taz and mr. w(both people im suspicious of, taz as a quit wolf and mr. w as a potential leader wolf). I've already stated my reasons for the vote on day 1.

[Blade6119]

same move i made yesterday...

what besides the fact that he agreed with you about causing the tie (which i think we can all agree benefited the ninjas, regardless of intent) makes you think he is a good guy. as i pointed out yesterday (during my racist phase, so no one probably understood what the hell i was talking about) twice during day 1 he characterized other peoples votes as part of a pile on...2 of us, including me asked him about it, and he apologized and said he just misstated his thoughts, and then proceeded to do the exact same thing later on in the day. it seemed to me that he was trying to make sure some negative connotations went towards me and without looking back kwhit and qwik, but those names could be wrong.

add to that the fact that i do have reason to trust Gram...he is not a dead solid lock into my highest level of trust, but he is close...alant's last second heroics (sarcasm) worked against Gram's late switch, and although i agree that the ninja had no way of knowing what the tiebreak deal was going to be, if Tanglewood is a ninja (i would have changed my vote to him, but was not able to post at the time), it was a perfect opportunity for Alan to save one of his own and do it under the premise of supporting the idea of one of the only guaranteed good guys at this point.
besides the vote swap, i think he has really been reading close for hints and clues...ive stated hes either a valuable ally or wolf, im not sure which...alan and mustang both earened their feelings from me after night one...alan came out and pointed out i had hinted at bodyguard a few times and it was likely(telling me he is reading and analyzing, doesnt necessarily mean he isnt doing it for devious reasons) and the mustang came out and said i was the bodyguard and i was now blind so i couldnt use my role anymore(which was dead right long before i came out with my info...makes me wonder how he knew). Both are interesting, i viewed mustang more-so then alan. I did feel, regardless of what the outcome of the tie was(which wasnt great, but up until hoops posted it you can agree we thought it would be)...he did what at the time was the best move for the villagers(doesnt look it now, but it was at the time)...thats why i trust him and not mustang(and the fact mustang was leading then he and kwhit moved it off him)

[Blade6119]

I've already stated my reasons for the vote on day 1.
I didnt say you didnt...im also saying that if you were a ninja you wouldnt say something like "im a ninja trying to kill a villager"...the whole annoying thing was perfect cover for someone to vote me dead...whether you admit that fact or not :rolleyes:

[Desnudo]

I did not throw the star...let me make that quite clear...and i dont think qwik did either....

Let's clear this subject up, since I keep seeing the shuriken referred to as a possible sign. It is a sign, a sign King was attacked by ninjas:

From Wiki:

In the past, shuriken were sometimes used as a warning, or to deliver death threat messages to enemies. The first bo shuriken were actually sharpened hairpins, kept in the hair as a last-resort weapon. However, the more commonly seen four sided shuriken was a tool used by carpenters to dig out nails. Some of these carpenters were ninja, but could not afford to buy an expensive weapon from a weaponsmith.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I didnt say you didnt...im also saying that if you were a ninja you wouldnt say something like "im a ninja trying to kill a villager"...the whole annoying thing was perfect cover for someone to vote me dead...whether you admit that fact or not :rolleyes: I'm saying I didn't want you dead, but in a choice of Foz or you I preferred you.

[saldana]

dola, if i am right, why not force the tie if you are a ninja?

lets work from this premise for a second...tangle is a ninja, and after gram votes for him, he is 100% dead.

alan then forces the tie at 7 votes each.

working from past werewolf games, the tiebreak would be one of two things, a weighted vote, or another player. if the tiebreak was a weighted vote, then there is a 36% chance that it is sitting on Lathum. if the tiebreak was another Samurai's choice, that gives tangle a full 50% chance of surviving. either way, it is better than the 100% dead solid lock of him dying without the tie.

[Mustang]

and the mustang came out and said i was the bodyguard and i was now blind so i couldnt use my role anymore

Huh?

No you said you were the bodyguard. (You even wanted praise for it) I said I wonder if the loss of your eyes means you no longer can use that and it was a one time shot.

[Qwikshot]

I didn't throw a star either.

Safe from scrutiny (for now): Qwikshot, Blade, King

Suspicious: Tanglewood, Kwhit, Mustang, Saldana

Evil: Ardent

[Blade6119]

I'm saying I didn't want you dead, but in a choice of Foz or you I preferred you.
i know what you said...but you also have to see that if you were a ninja your reasoning makes perfect cover as well...if i was a ninja i can see myself saying similar things and making a similar attack on night one(you yourself said you would attack king)

[PackerFanatic]

I am pumped to see this pan out from the grave.

Can't wait until the next game now, haha.

[Blade6119]

Huh?

No you said you were the bodyguard. (You even wanted praise for it) I said I wonder if the loss of your eyes means you no longer can use that and it was a one time shot.
I asked for praise as a joke much later(5 pages later)...and here you go for your own mind and those your diluting:

Possible that Blade may have been a guard and was watching over someone. The eyes being gouged out may signify that he has lost that ability now. (Or some other ability)
POST #707...about 15 before i posted anything

I was, i was, and i dont know...either they went after king and i protected him, but they have some anti-bodyguard role...or they attacked me and my role allows me to survive it once. I was the bodyguard, but could not protect the same person twice before i had protected everyone in the game. I protected king, and noticed a ninja in the shadows...when i moved to him i was atatcked from behind...since i am a master of the martial arts(more so then the rest of you) i fought him off. They managed to blind me though, and i can no longer use my bodyguard role for the rest of the game. So either i got very lucky with king(figured he was the most likely target) or the wolves tried to kill me. I did not know who qwik was, he came after i fought the ninjas off, and hoops said i couldnt see the man standing above me...Im pretty sure i know why he was out, but i wont share it
Post #722...my first post about my role, about 15 after yours

[Poli]

I better brush up my game, then. :)

[Blade6119]

I am pumped to see this pan out from the grave.

Can't wait until the next game now, haha.
Sorry you died man, i could see you were having fun. I look forward playing with ya next time, you were doing a good job

[Qwikshot]

dola, if i am right, why not force the tie if you are a ninja?

lets work from this premise for a second...tangle is a ninja, and after gram votes for him, he is 100% dead.

alan then forces the tie at 7 votes each.

working from past werewolf games, the tiebreak would be one of two things, a weighted vote, or another player. if the tiebreak was a weighted vote, then there is a 36% chance that it is sitting on Lathum. if the tiebreak was another Samurai's choice, that gives tangle a full 50% chance of surviving. either way, it is better than the 100% dead solid lock of him dying without the tie.

You just went off my bad list...plus you live in Easton, I live in Quakertown!

[Mustang]

Seems that me and KWhit are the only ones that haven't completely written off Blade and Qwik as potential Ninjas. Blade seems very intent on bringing up my name at almost every opportunity and, when questioned by KWhit he put him on his short list.

Funny that you remotely even question him on the events of the first night and it immediately puts you on the suspect list.

If I'm picked and killed tonight.. remember how hard he has pushed for my name because, it will be revealed that I'm a Samurai..

[Blade6119]

dola, if i am right, why not force the tie if you are a ninja?

lets work from this premise for a second...tangle is a ninja, and after gram votes for him, he is 100% dead.

alan then forces the tie at 7 votes each.

working from past werewolf games, the tiebreak would be one of two things, a weighted vote, or another player. if the tiebreak was a weighted vote, then there is a 36% chance that it is sitting on Lathum. if the tiebreak was another Samurai's choice, that gives tangle a full 50% chance of surviving. either way, it is better than the 100% dead solid lock of him dying without the tie.
I see that reasoning...i just ask myself if i would have done the exact same thing in that situation and the answer is yes...that is why im more hesitant

[Coder]

Just got home from the office.. I'm still not convinced about the ninjas not wantinga tie, partially because I think saldana is making a good argument. I have, however, been known to trust the wrong people before :), that's why I'm trusting you now Blade which seems as good a bet as anyone could make.

One thought struck me earlier though and that takes one person off my most "suspected" list. But Alan is still on there :).

[Mustang]

I asked for praise as a joke much later(5 pages later)...and here you go for your own mind and those your diluting:


I said possible.. possible

I didn't pass it off as fact. You changed what I said and made it seem like I made a declaration that it just had to be.

Kind of like you have done with declaring Qwik clear.. just has to be because you said so.

[saldana]

You just went off my bad list...plus you live in Easton, I live in Quakertown!


OOG: no shit?? superbowl party at my house if youre interested, lathum and i will be there

[Blade6119]

Seems that me and KWhit are the only ones that haven't completely written off Blade and Qwik as potential Ninjas. Blade seems very intent on bringing up my name at almost every opportunity and, when questioned by KWhit he put him on his short list.

Funny that you remotely even question him on the events of the first night and it immediately puts you on the suspect list.

If I'm picked and killed tonight.. remember how hard he has pushed for my name because, it will be revealed that I'm a Samurai..
i wake up bloodied with wire around my neck and im still a potential ninja?? Sweet jesus it takes a lot to convince you...if i was a ninja and fought with a samurai would that person have come forward by now? maybe the person i fought hasnt come forward BECUASE THEY ARE A NINJA!!!....mustang mustang mustang...accusing the few people that are fairly clear is not the best way to win these things since you claim your a villager...trying to kill the cleared is the best route if your a wolf though(esp. a clever wolf who would show villager)

[Blade6119]

I said possible.. possible

I didn't pass it off as fact. You changed what I said and made it seem like I made a declaration that it just had to be.

Kind of like you have done with declaring Qwik clear.. just has to be because you said so.
Possible or not you got it right...i wouldnt declare things either if i was a wolf...and you dont have to trust qwik...i dont know for sure he is good...but i have to assume since he was a seperate 3rd party from the wolves, his story fit what i got before i posted it, and he had the chance to kill me and didnt that he is good...if you dont believe me then vote for me or qwik and stat your facts. More discussion is never a bad thing.

[Mustang]

i wake up bloodied with wire around my neck and im still a potential ninja?? Sweet jesus it takes a lot to convince you...

Ya.. it does. I don't buy that hoops would just make 2 people that obviously innocent on Day #1.. and I'm surprised you weren't killed last night. Using the enemy doesn't like a talkative enemy around. Unless of course you were consistently leading everyone down the wrong path then, by all means keep a talkative person around..

[saldana]

Seems that me and KWhit are the only ones that haven't completely written off Blade and Qwik as potential Ninjas. Blade seems very intent on bringing up my name at almost every opportunity and, when questioned by KWhit he put him on his short list.

Funny that you remotely even question him on the events of the first night and it immediately puts you on the suspect list.

If I'm picked and killed tonight.. remember how hard he has pushed for my name because, it will be revealed that I'm a Samurai..

how exactly is blade supposed to be a ninja? even if he were converted, what good would a blind ninja be, and why if he were converted would they have gouged his eyes out. The only way he is a ninja is if he, king, and qwik are all ninjas, and the person they attacked injured blade while defending himself, then used the flash bomb (a ninja tool) to escape the other two, and THEN DIDNT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT FOR 18 HOURS.

hello... logic...are you there? :confused:

[Blade6119]

Just got home from the office.. I'm still not convinced about the ninjas not wantinga tie, partially because I think saldana is making a good argument. I have, however, been known to trust the wrong people before :), that's why I'm trusting you now Blade which seems as good a bet as anyone could make.

One thought struck me earlier though and that takes one person off my most "suspected" list. But Alan is still on there :).
Care to share that thought? If not, i understand...i keep some important things to myself(i know, i post enough where it wouldnt seem like it)

[Blade6119]

Ya.. it does. I don't buy that hoops would just make 2 people that obviously innocent on Day #1.. and I'm surprised you weren't killed last night. Using the enemy doesn't like a talkative enemy around. Unless of course you were consistently leading everyone down the wrong path then, by all means keep a talkative person around..
Exactly, we were all going down the lathum and tangle path...so they dont kill us...that tells you what? Lathum and tangle are good

if they had killed me you and kwhit would have come under scrutiny...odd that didnt happen, eh? :rolleyes:

[Desnudo]

A little color coded chart with voting patterns. I also have a few notes towards the bottom. Click on the chart to expand

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/1517/voting4ta.th.jpg (http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=voting4ta.jpg)

[saldana]

how exactly is blade supposed to be a ninja? even if he were converted, what good would a blind ninja be, and why if he were converted would they have gouged his eyes out. The only way he is a ninja is if he, king, and qwik are all ninjas, and the person they attacked injured blade while defending himself, then used the flash bomb (a ninja tool) to escape the other two, and THEN DIDNT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT FOR 18 HOURS.

hello... logic...are you there? :confused:

and as far as qwik goes, what did he do, attack blade with a garrotte in his normal clothes and not get blood on himself, or attack him with his ninja garb on and do a Qwik-change back into a samurai like wonder woman or something so no one noticed the black hood and tabi boots.

[Blade6119]

how exactly is blade supposed to be a ninja? even if he were converted, what good would a blind ninja be, and why if he were converted would they have gouged his eyes out. The only way he is a ninja is if he, king, and qwik are all ninjas, and the person they attacked injured blade while defending himself, then used the flash bomb (a ninja tool) to escape the other two, and THEN DIDNT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT FOR 18 HOURS.

hello... logic...are you there? :confused:
I just laughed out loud...thank you for that saldana...i couldnt have put it better

[Blade6119]

A little color coded chart with voting patterns. I also have a few notes towards the bottom. Click on the chart to expand

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/1517/voting4ta.th.jpg (http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=voting4ta.jpg)
Wow, nice chart

[PackerFanatic]

Sorry you died man, i could see you were having fun. I look forward playing with ya next time, you were doing a good job

No worries, I know that is how the game goes sometimes. Thanks though, I shall indeed be back!

[Coder]

Care to share that thought? If not, i understand...i keep some important things to myself(i know, i post enough where it wouldnt seem like it)

At the moment, no.. I'd like to wait and see how that person acts for today's vote.

[saldana]

Wow, nice chart

my thoughts exactly...where the hell were you with your little chart last game when i was tracking 28 players!! ;)

[Mustang]

Exactly, we were all going down the lathum and tangle path...so they dont kill us...that tells you what? Lathum and tangle are good


I dont' disagree with that.

I'll say one thing though, if KWhit is killed and is revealed to be a Ninja, I'm the obvious choice to be killed the next day since me and KWhit have had some of the same points. It will have been well played by KWhit to make me even more suspicious in peoples eyes and get me lynched.

[Mustang]

even if he were converted, what good would a blind ninja be, and why if he were converted would they have gouged his eyes out.

Well, lose the eyes and the other senses become heightened. I thought there was some reference to a reason behind the eyes being gouged out but, not revealed yet... Maybe he now has the supreme ability to now distinguish between all of the tastes and can hear a fly buzz at 3 miles away...

Ohh.. I got it. Blade is now.... DAREDEVIL! :D

[Desnudo]

Wow, nice chart

I bet you say that to all the guys. One person I'm wondering about is Eaglesfan. Besides engaging in an antagonistic battle with you, which was way out of character for him, he really hasn't said much.

[Blade6119]

I bet you say that to all the guys. One person I'm wondering about is Eaglesfan. Besides engaging in an antagonistic battle with you, which was way out of character for him, he really hasn't said much.
he was actually against me the past few days and is now agreeing with me...ive noted it but didnt really want to talk about it lol...but now that its out there, yes...hes one of my most suspected(i told you guys, i dont always accuse those who im most suspicious of)

[Desnudo]

my thoughts exactly...where the hell were you with your little chart last game when i was tracking 28 players!! ;)

I think trying to track 28 players was what led to that chart. ;)

[Qwikshot]

my thoughts exactly...where the hell were you with your little chart last game when i was tracking 28 players!! ;)

I concur and no ninja does something like that either.

[saldana]

I think trying to track 28 players was what led to that chart. ;)
i kept forgetting to post this, but if anyone is still interested, here is the game spreadsheet from last game

http://www.richandcindy.com/werewolf.htm

[PackerFanatic]

I wish I would have played the Harry Potter one :(

[KWhit]

The only reason i see to kill two unknowns over myself, qwik, or possibly king is that they wanted the same results as yesterday. if we were on the right trail they would kill me and bring attention to people like mustang and others...their kills=us in the same place...they want us to kill lathum or tangle, or both...please dont
If true, why wouldn't they kill king? If they did kill king, we'd still be in the same spot we are now with regard to Lathum and Tangle. I don't understand your logic? King is by far the better choice to kill than either of the samurais who died last night. So either the wolves messed up, or there is a reason they didn't go after King.

[saldana]

If true, why wouldn't they kill king? If they did kill king, we'd still be in the same spot we are now with regard to Lathum and Tangle. I don't understand your logic? King is by far the better choice to kill than either of the samurais who died last night. So either the wolves messed up, or there is a reason they didn't go after King.
or we are dealing with some ninja that havent got alot of experience as the bad guys, and there is no evil genius (actually geniuses) like last game

[Blade6119]

or we are dealing with some ninja that havent got alot of experience as the bad guys, and there is no evil genius (actually geniuses) like last game
im thinking its this one...last game dubb and ardent made all the calls...im betting right now we dont have veteran leadership among the wolves

[KWhit]

or we are dealing with some ninja that havent got alot of experience as the bad guys, and there is no evil genius (actually geniuses) like last game
That's possible, but it seems pretty obvious to me that ninjas would want to leave all the unknowns alive as long as possible so we samurai might do their dirty work for them.