Werewolf XXII - Way of the Colt - Game over, congrats samurai!

[kingfc22]

Good game guys. I think this one turns out a little different if the ninjas had ANY luck at all.

[TazFTW]

Hooray for samurai!

[Mustang]

Ok...

NOW do you guys believe I'm a Samurai???

:D

[Blade6119]

Good game guys. I think this one turns out a little different if the ninjas had ANY luck at all.
Like disabling the bodyguard on night one? And me misinterpreting my PM that night about the shiruken(which alan threw at me)? That kind of luck? :rolleyes:

[tanglewood]

Good game all. Yay samurai! :)

[TazFTW]

Ok...

NOW do you guys believe I'm a Samurai???

:D
I believed you. :)

[Blade6119]

Ok...

NOW do you guys believe I'm a Samurai???

:D
i have to say mustang, i didnt trust you, but you played one of the two best games in my mind....bravo mustang

[kingfc22]

Like disabling the bodyguard on night one? And me misinterpreting my PM that night about the shiruken(which alan threw at me)? That kind of luck? :rolleyes:We were told that we had a failry good chance of killing you since you were in my way of my real target, but we ended up only disabling you. My name gets listed in the first night action. Eagles first two views were blocked. Our bribe attempt failed. That kind of luck is what I was referring to.

[Mr. Wednesday]

We were fortunate in a lot of the early in-game breaks, like Blade deciding to protect a ninja on the first night and KWhit getting outed without any real effect, but we got killed on the random stuff. Particularly the failure to succeed in bribing Coder, which I think more than anything else turned the game.

Didn't help that the night I had a run on me, I was busy being social and wasn't able to defend myself.

[Eaglesfan27]

Congrats to Hoopsguy for running an imaginative, fun, game.

Congrats to the remaining Samurai for a resounding win.


By the way, I couldn't respond to it earlier because I thought it would add even more heat, but I certainly didn't make up anything about my personal life to sway votes (or maybe I imagined that allegation in one message.) Anyway, I'm off to spend time with my wife who has been very impatient for the last 30 minutes or so.

Again, congrats to the remaining Samurai and Hoopsguy :)

[Grammaticus]

Booyah, Samurai Win, Samurai Win!!

[kingfc22]

If we convert Coder, RPI dies, Mr. W lives. We probably kill Lathum at night and then get mustang or taz voted off today. Game over.

[Blade6119]

We were told that we had a failry good chance of killing you since you were in my way of my real target, but we ended up only disabling you. My name gets listed in the first night action. Eagles first two views were blocked. Our bribe attempt failed. That kind of luck is what I was referring to.
The bribe you did get shafted on, as you had about a 60-70% chance of succeding...but for all the bad luck you had we had bad luck too, like losing the bodyguard, me being handed you as a wolf and not understanding, the odd tiebreaker rules(which later helped but hurt at first), qwik blowing both his assasination attemptes, and kwhit scanning absolutely no one important.

[hoopsguy]

Roles:

1. Lathum - samurai, seers pick for 100% scan
2. TazFTW - samurai
3. Coder - samurai, mentally strong
4. Kwhit - seer, mentally strong
5. Eaglesfan27 - ninja seer
6. RPI-Fan - samurai, mentally strong
7. Blade6119 - samurai bodyguard
8. PackerFanatic - samurai
9. Path12 - samurai, mentally strong
10. Tanglewood - samurai, mentally strong
11. Mr. Wednesday - wealthy ninja
12. Qwikshot - samurai assassin
13. Mustang - samurai
14. Saldana - samurai
15. Desnudo - samurai, favorite of Chuck
16. Grammaticus - samurai
17. kingfc22 - ninja
18. Schmidty - samurai, mentally strong
19. SirFozzie - samurai, started with intelligent weapon (must use for kill or pass)
20. AlanT - brutal ninja
21. Barkeep - played the role of the intelligent weapon

[kingfc22]

Hoopsguy - thanks for running a very fun game.

[Mustang]

i have to say mustang, i didnt trust you, but you played one of the two best games in my mind....bravo mustang

I don't know about that.. it was a mess from the start for me.

Me voting for myself was either going to

A.) Bandwagon me off. And, I was just saying the truth that it would have probably been better to knock me out. I knew the Ninja were absolutely not going to kill me. Plus alot of banter about suspicion of Mustang so.. if I was going to die it was going to be late

B.) Stop the Bandwagon and make people think.

My lack of vote on night 1 was 90% for my reasons mentioned... because I couldn't really decide on anyone. The other 10% was because I ahhh... zoned out and forgot. oopppps....

[tanglewood]

I apologise to Lathum and Gramm. I think I am a more than deserved candidate for LVP. :o

[SirFozzie]

damn.. I could kill folks with that weapon?

Nonody told me nothin ;)

[Mr. Wednesday]

What did "mentally strong" mean -- no chance for EF to succeed with a scan?

[Blade6119]

I don't know about that.. it was a mess from the start for me.

Me voting for myself was either going to

A.) Bandwagon me off. And, I was just saying the truth that it would have probably been better to knock me out. I knew the Ninja were absolutely not going to kill me. Plus alot of banter about suspicion of Mustang so.. if I was going to die it was going to be late

B.) Stop the Bandwagon and make people think.

My lack of vote on night 1 was 90% for my reasons mentioned... because I couldn't really decide on anyone. The other 10% was because I ahhh... zoned out and forgot. oopppps....
Late in the game you had both king and eagles pegged, as well as if i remember correctly you were on to alan and mr. w...all 4 wolves...i might be wrong, but thats what i remember as an observer

[kingfc22]

What did "mentally strong" mean -- no chance for EF to succeed with a scan?I think so.

[RPI-Fan]

Now that's this game is over, want to post this:


I'm sorry for the events that traspired early in the game w/ me and dubb93 (and Blade to some extent).

My views on appropriate game play should have been discussed in a more civil manner, and I apologize for being so rude to dubb.

I'm sorry for carrying on a hissy-fit with Blade early-on, given that it didn't really relate to the game.

I hope you guys will forgive me and have me in your game(s) again. If not, I understand.

Thanks,
~rpi-fan

[RPI-Fan]

Late in the game you had both king and eagles pegged, as well as if i remember correctly you were on to alan and mr. w...all 4 wolves...i might be wrong, but thats what i remember as an observer

Convienent that you left out the part where he was on my ass the whole game... :)

[Blade6119]

Convienent that you left out the part where he was on my ass the whole game... :)
I honestly dont remember that part...after death i really followed the wolves and who accused them more so then villager/villager stuff

[Mustang]

Convienent that you left out the part where he was on my ass the whole game... :)

*L*

I was pretty much suspicious of anyone that brought up my name and not voting for me. Which was pretty much why I never trusted Blade.. :D

[Blade6119]

*L*

I was pretty much suspicious of anyone that brought up my name and not voting for me. Which was pretty much why I never trusted Blade.. :D
Like i said, i accuse people and dont accuse people i feel opposite about...the day i died i knew king was bad, and made 1-2 posts about it hoping others would notice but not enough the wolves would kill me...obviously both failed...sometimes ill call out people i think are good so the people im really on to(like i was with king) dont kill me...though i will admit with you i was just wrong

[Mustang]

though i will admit with you i was just wrong

Eh, I was wrong with you too.. I was convinced your wounds were self-inflicted to give you some type of power. Anti-seer or something...

[Grammaticus]

I apologise to Lathum and Gramm. I think I am a more than deserved candidate for LVP. :o
Ah, sorry I got you killed.

[path12]

Thanks for the game Hoops -- yay samurai!

[hoopsguy]

Roles and rules:
- 100% hidden roles
- hidden victory conditions (although they were standard)
- 20 players (+ Barkeep as the weapon), 4 ninjas
- Game begins with Day 1 (no Night 0)
- Lynch: all players who accumulate 40% or more of the votes on a given day
- 25% for each player being mentally strong (include ninjas in this0
- 2 players start as incorruptable (include ninjas in this)
- no role reveals on night kills
- ninjas must name their killer each night
- cannot have same ninja attack two night in a row at any point in the game (including end game, unless possessing the sword)

Neutral Roles:
- Possessor of Sword (SirFozzie) - when holding sword, can declare a night-kill or pass the sword to another player. Required to start with a samurai.
- Mentally strong - 25% chance for each player to assume this role. Not revealed to player. If mentally strong there is a 50% chance that they resist a scan.
- Incorruptable - 2 players cannot be bought. Attempt fails, but no witness.

Samurai Roles:
- Assassin (Qwikshot) - one night kill per game

- Seer (KWhit) - conventional in terms of night scans, but could be stopped by mentally strong. Was allowed to declare two people before game as 100% scans, even if they were mentally strong (chose Lathum and Mr. Wednesday, neither were mentally strong, neither were ever scanned). If killed at night he had a 5% chance to project a "mental scream" that would broadcast his death via PM to all players. Scanned players are not alerted that they were scanned.
- Bodyguard (Blade) - can't ever defend a player for 2nd time until he has defended everyone in the game. If he ever guards a wolf he is blinded, losing all powers. If there is a night kill there is a 25% chance that he acts as a modified witness (moderator provides a list of three players, one of which must include a ninja). Witness is repeatable power, not active when he directly protects (which aborts the ninja attack).
- Favored Student (Desnudo) - can make a request to moderator twice per game (not twice in same day, however) to reveal the role of a night kill.

Ninja Roles:
- Wealthy Ninja (Mr. Wednesday) - silent conversion possible once per game. 66% chance of success. 24% chance failed, not identified. 10% chance fails and samurai is given a list of two names (one randomly generated) to pick between for the ninja.
- Brutal Ninja (AlanT) - standard brutal wolf
- Wise Ninja (Eaglesfan27) - could scan a player every other night to learn their role.
- Ninja (Kingfc22)

[Blade6119]

Hoops is still posting the tie-breaker rules which was crazy, but for everyones own ideas here is what went down on night 1:

I, the bodyguard, picked king to protect and went to his place...king and alan(ninjas) were picked to go out on the kill that night(ironically, it was kwhit, the seer, they picked...so in that regard my guard was huge)...alan threw the shiruken at me to kill me and i dodged it(it hit the door)...king then attacked me from behind and blinded me. They left me for dead, when qwikshot(the samurai assasin) came along to kill me as well...hoops offered him to follow the attackers, finish me off, or save me...he chose the third option...and hence where we were at day 2

[Mr. Wednesday]

Wealthy Ninja (Mr. Wednesday) - silent conversion possible once per game. 66% chance of success. 24% chance failed, not identified. 10% chance fails and samurai is given a list of two names (one randomly generated) to pick between for the ninja.I would have taken those odds going in. Unfortunately, the 10% chance came in.

[Mustang]

I would have taken those odds going in. Unfortunately, the 10% chance came in.

I'd say that 10% worked out pretty good considering I was paired up with you...

[Mr. Wednesday]

, the bodyguard, picked king to protect and went to his place...king and alan(ninjas) were picked to go out on the kill that night(ironically, it was kwhit, the seer, they picked...so in that regard my guard was huge)Mostly. We were told that you were prowling around outside and given the choice of doing nothing or changing up and trying to kill you. Originally, it was just going to be one of king or Alan doing the kill, but when we found out you were out there we were allowed to add another. As a result of this, EF had to do the kill the following night, but it appears as though with you blinded, there was nobody left to witness an attack and it wasn't all that important who did the killing.

[Grammaticus]

So basically the bodyguard can never protect a player twice, because he has to protect all players once first. This ensures he protects a ninja and loses his powers, thus he can never get to a person twice.

Also, who did the Wise Ninja Eaglesfan scan during the game?

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'd say that 10% worked out pretty good considering I was paired up with you...Not really. Coder took off after me the following night, which I'm not convinced happens if he doesn't have me identified as one of two possible assailants.

[Grammaticus]

Hoops is still posting the tie-breaker rules which was crazy, but for everyones own ideas here is what went down on night 1:

I, the bodyguard, picked king to protect and went to his place...king and alan(ninjas) were picked to go out on the kill that night(ironically, it was kwhit, the seer, they picked...so in that regard my guard was huge)...alan threw the shiruken at me to kill me and i dodged it(it hit the door)...king then attacked me from behind and blinded me. They left me for dead, when qwikshot(the samurai assasin) came along to kill me as well...hoops offered him to follow the attackers, finish me off, or save me...he chose the third option...and hence where we were at day 2
Desnudo's role showed him that AlanT blinded you. Which was it?

[Mr. Wednesday]

I know he scanned path12 -- the scan block was one of the reasons we killed him. I don't recall the others.

[Blade6119]

Desnudo's role showed him that AlanT blinded you. Which was it?
Alan t could have...doesnt matter really, both were there...i know king attacked me and i thought he blinded/cut me...but since i was BLIND i dont know

[hoopsguy]

Night 1 was a weird one:

1.) King is designated to kill the seer KWhit.
2.) Blade decides to guard King.
3.) Qwikshot goes to kill Blade.

So, King can't go kill the seer because he is watched. But he is supposed to be able to blind the bodyguard. And should Qwikshot get to witness this?

If I played it out in the order that it should be played then King blinds Blade and Qwikshot kills him. But that didn't make sense to me in a story-telling sense. I wasn't trying to tilt the game, but I did want actions to proceed in a manner that made sense - would the samurai really kill a guy that wasn't lying in his bed and had clearly been blinded?

So I sent night PMs to the wolves allow them to bring in a second attacker to let them blind Blade and then gave Qwik the option to kill, flee, or stand and explain what he had seen. It was the most balanced option that I could think of at the time and I would welcome feedback on it. End result was that the ninja lost a kill but crippled the bodyguard (which was there normal outcome if bodyguard guards a ninja) and that the assassin kept his power for one more day. And that the ninjas had only two people to choose from the following night instead of three (negligible impact).

Also on that night Eagles was not able to scan the mentally strong Path. I believe they thought he was the seer, so they popped him the following night while Qwikshot took out PackerFanatic (Night 2).

The Day 2 tie was at 7-7. Since there were 19 people left there was no lynch (36%).

The next tie was also 7-7 but since we were down to 17 people at that point both were lynched (41% each). And tonight was 55-44, again resulting in a double lynch.

If the ninjas had realized what the process was on that somehow they could have really steered the votes to their benefit. It would have been hard for the samurai to figure it out in isolation since they could not PM one another. Even if one person figured it out then moving votes would have been a challenge.

The game was effectively turned on the failed conversion. If the ninjas don't hit the 10% screw option then they probably don't lose Mr. W. Coder joins the ninjas, RPI goes down that night, and I believe it would have been a 7-4 game at that point.


Definitely looking for feedback on the game mechanics - fun, confusing, BS? As well as the overall game experience - was hidden roles a good thing or a bad thing? Writing, rulings on decisions, etc ...

[Grammaticus]

Alan t could have...doesnt matter really, both were there...i know king attacked me and i thought he blinded/cut me...but since i was BLIND i dont know
If you knew King attacked you, why didn't you tell us, so we could kill him? Or did you mean you found out after you were out of the game?

[hoopsguy]

I didn't tell anyone all of the details after they left the game, but I did swap a few PMs with some of the players who were out of the game.

Blade - here is the first one I had from you where you guessed the ninjas:

but my best guess for ninjas would be King, Taz, Mustang....am i close?

Just want to make sure you don't take credit for knowing everything at the time of your death :eek: :D You had King: 1 out of 3 isn't bad at that point.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Definitely looking for feedback on the game mechanics - fun, confusing, BS? As well as the overall game experience - was hidden roles a good thing or a bad thing? Writing, rulings on decisions, etc ...Fun, and well written. I thought the hidden roles worked well in the context of this game.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Also on that night Eagles was not able to scan the mentally strong Path. I believe they thought he was the seer, so they popped him the following night while Qwikshot took out PackerFanatic (Night 2).I don't recall us being certain that he was the seer, rather we thought he had some sort of special role that made it a good idea for him to be out of the picture.

[Grammaticus]

Why did you guys take RPI the night after Mr. Wed was lynched?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Hey, Alan, did you intentionally leave me out of your assessment of people that got RPI after me?

[Grammaticus]

Wow, day one was almost a no lynch. Fozzie was right on 40%. That would have been interesting if a no lynch had occurred on day one without a tie involved.

[hoopsguy]

Yeah, I had actually forgotten about this one after 2 ties and 2 double-lynches. I wonder if it would have sparked more conversation?

I think people got caught up in looking for tie-breakers instead of looking at it as "lynch conditions". Barkeep had run a game (with published rules) that had a requirement of 1/3 of the total votes in order to lynch.

[Alan T]

Hey, Alan, did you intentionally leave me out of your assessment of people that got RPI after me?


Thanks for the great game hoops, was alot of fun!

For what I did in the game, going in, I wanted to live a little longer than I had planned.. we initially saw the friction between two different groups of people (basiclaly those pro-blade and those anti-blade) so we started by trying to set up blade. We had a short list of people we wanted to go for basically to try to divide the samurais into two parts, so every vote ended up being conflicted and it made it easier for us to not have to stir up things..

Well, we were either really lucky or really unlucky the first night. Im still not sure which. We almost had the seer on night 1 out of luck if not for blade protecting the one person who was going to do the kill.

So we had to change up and play with the cards we got. The way Blade played things out, it bought us some time for king to be "cleared" but because of that we couldn't kill off Qwik or people would suspect him too soon. Thats when I ended up becoming blade's best friend so to speak. By doing so, it gave me enough leeway to stir things up some, without the largest risk of death (since Blade's group of people never were interested in voting for me). I found out the previous game when the only cleared person (Neon) gave a full list of villagers that were one by one eliminated wrongfully that having the only cleared person side with you was a huge plus, so I worked that angle.

My next bad luck was the tie vote. I took a chance on that one, and perhaps shouldn't have. That might have been the mistake I made this game, but I realized that people were very hesitant after that to be the tie or breaking vote. At that point, unless there was some huge reason, people didnt want to put themselves on the line to break a tie or tie it up. I think I would have been ok if not for kwhit doing a seer reveal, which ended up condeming me.

As for Mr. W's question, I figured it was only a matter of time till they came after me and killed me. I basically tried to leave so much non-information that if you went off of what I said, it wouldnt get you anywhere. I basically grouped up ninjas with samurais in each of my types of dealings, where I never had a ninja singled out.. I had paired up Mr. W with Schmidty and Desnudo in not naming them at all, or being any bit suspicious about them. I paired up king with Qwik as far as being very suspicious, and I paired eaglesfan with Mustang and tanglewood as far as being openly accusing.

That way I wouldn't leave any ninja wide open without some group. I honestly thought that Schmidty would be more confrontational and end up getting himself lynched before Mr.W, I figured people would lynch Tanglewood and or Mustang before Eaglesfan and get tired of chasing that dead end, and I was just hoping King would hold out a bit.

I know alot of things I would have done differently if I had it to do over again, but I had alot of fun either way.. Thanks all for the fun game :)

[Mustang]

Fun, and well written. I thought the hidden roles worked well in the context of this game.

I was fine with hidden rules but, it might have been better to have a list of potential rules so you could at least narrow the field a bit. (Come up with a few that don't even exist)

I think sometimes there was a little bit of discussion on a role and the opinion that it just had to exist...

[PackerFanatic]

Was a fun game even though I didn't last long (Thanks Qwik!) hehe...

good job samurai!

[Alan T]

I was fine with hidden rules but, it might have been better to have a list of potential rules so you could at least narrow the field a bit. (Come up with a few that don't even exist)

I think sometimes there was a little bit of discussion on a role and the opinion that it just had to exist...


I think thats what was fun :)

[Mr. Wednesday]

As for Mr. W's question, I figured it was only a matter of time till they came after me and killed me. I basically tried to leave so much non-information that if you went off of what I said, it wouldnt get you anywhere. I basically grouped up ninjas with samurais in each of my types of dealings, where I never had a ninja singled out.. I had paired up Mr. W with Schmidty and Desnudo in not naming them at all, or being any bit suspicious about them. I paired up king with Qwik as far as being very suspicious, and I paired eaglesfan with Mustang and tanglewood as far as being openly accusing.

That way I wouldn't leave any ninja wide open without some group. I honestly thought that Schmidty would be more confrontational and end up getting himself lynched before Mr.W, I figured people would lynch Tanglewood and or Mustang before Eaglesfan and get tired of chasing that dead end, and I was just hoping King would hold out a bit.That looks like solid reasoning. I'm sorry I didn't have enough time to look at it closer and hammer on Schmidty.

[Schmidty]

Great job hoopsguy. I totally didn't deserve to win, especially with that post with the quote in it. :(

[Desnudo]

Nice job guys. It would have been interesting had Eaglesfan lived another day.

[Coder]

I'm also very curious why you took out RPI that night. Just doesn't make any sense at all.. anyone but RPI.

[Blade6119]

If you knew King attacked you, why didn't you tell us, so we could kill him? Or did you mean you found out after you were out of the game?
I knew, but wanted to sit on it and see who he was collaborating with...like eagles this last day(at the beginning) it was clear they were supporting each other...i hoped i could hide that i knew and catch the other ninjas as well...took a chance, didnt work

[Blade6119]

I didn't tell anyone all of the details after they left the game, but I did swap a few PMs with some of the players who were out of the game.

Blade - here is the first one I had from you where you guessed the ninjas:

but my best guess for ninjas would be King, Taz, Mustang....am i close?

Just want to make sure you don't take credit for knowing everything at the time of your death :eek: :D You had King: 1 out of 3 isn't bad at that point.
i actually said a bit before that king was the only one i knew before death...i didnt figure out eagles till this cycle, alan i never guessed, and Mr. w about 5 minutes before he died

[Coder]

If you guys hadn't killed RPI, but, for example, killed Taz instead, you would have gotten two samurai killed.. because we would certainly have voted for RPI instead of King today if that had been the case..

[hoopsguy]

Schmidty, I wasn't all that worried about your "role reveal" because I had sent out unique descriptions to every person to avoid just that sort of issue. So I was fine with it staying up there - no one would have had a description that matched yours.

I was a little weirded out when Saldana said that you had nearly matching descriptions because I didn't think they were all that close except for a similar typo in each ...

Here is the complete list of PMs I sent out on the first day with roles:

1/27 3:23 PM Lathum
You are Shichiroji Ohashi, a samurai warrior who has mastered the art of the bo staff. However, this does not convey any special abilities within the context of this game.

1/27 3:23 PM Taz
You are Takeshi Tono, a man feared throughout the lands as a deadly hand-to-hand combatant. Your Buddhist beliefs have forced you to give up the use of swords. You have no special abilities in this game.

1/27 3:23 PM Coder
You are Setsuko Hidari, a noted samurai general noted for his brilliant tactical leadership. However, this does not give you any special abilities in this game.

1/27 3:24 PM KWhit
You are Daisuke Sakakida, a famed samurai swordsman. However, your power in this game will be your mind as the fumes from the fire appear to have triggered a level of sensory awareness you have never before experienced. Translation – you are the seer. Scan one person per night.

1/27 3:25 PM Eaglesfan
You are Jinjiro Sakakida, samurai by day but feared ninja by night. Other ninjas include Mr. Wednesday, Kingfc22, and AlanT. The smoke from the fire appears to have opened up new mental abilities for you. You possess the ability to scan one player every other night to learn their role.

1/27 3:25 PM RPI-Fan
You are Bokuzen Sakakida, an ancient samurai warrior who wanders the lands looking for wrongs to right. However, this does not give you any special in-game abilities.

1/27 3:26 PM Blade
You are Tsuruko Shimada, the biggest badass samurai in the land. You are the bodyguard. Modified bodyguard rules – cannot guard a player for 2nd time until you have guarded everyone in the village.

1/27 3:26 PM PackerFanatic
You are Kikuko Makabe. You are somewhat of a celebrity for your appearance in “Karate Kid Kicks Back – Hard”. This, however, does not give you any special powers in the game.

1/27 3:27 PM Schmidty
You ar Yoichiro Fujita. You are a very average samurai with no distinguishing characteristics. Perhaps this adventure will be an opportunity to elevate your status.

1/27 3:27 PM Tanglewood
You are Mosuke Hosoi, considered by most to be the finest left-handed katana specialist in the world. However, this does not convey any special powers in the game.

1/27 3:27 PM Mr. Wednesday
You are Koji Maruyama, the wealthiest man in all of China. Although your ninja skills are only average, you do possess the ability to draw men to your cause by way of your enormous wealth. You have enough on your person to bribe one samurai this game. Your ninja teammates are Eaglesfan, Kingfc22, and AlanT.

1/27 3:28 PM Qwikshot
You are Kazuko Yikimime, a samurai with a dark side. Although you cling to the notion of Bushido, you also are desperate to win the favor of Chuck Norris. Once over the course of this game you may kill another player during night actions. Choose wisely.

1/27 3:28 PM Mustang
You are Hansuke Toyama, a samurai whose English is laced with a Texas drawl from watching too many Western movies. This does not give you any special abilities in the game.

1/27 3:29 PM Saldana
You ar Naosuke Kurosawa, a Japaneese samurai with a love of kereoke bars. You often find yourself in kung fu action due to your horrible singing voice. No special in-game abilities.

1/27 3:30 PM Desnudo
You are Jinjiro Tadokoro. You are not a well-known samurai, but you do have the advantage of the being the favorite of Chuck Norris. PM me on Day 2 for details on your special role.

1/27 3:33 PM Dubb
You are Heihachi Makabe. You are always drunk, but only because you fight better that way. However, this does not give you any special in-game advantages.

1/27 3:33 PM King
You are Unosuke Kiyokawa, a member of the ninja party. Your teammates include Eaglesfan, Mr. Wednesday, and AlanT. They will inform you of their roles. You have no special role other than being a ninja.

1/27 3:34 PM Path
You are Kamatari Hosoi, a samurai who has gained fame for dual-wielding wakazashi. As samurai go, this does not constitute any special in-game powers.

1/27 3:34 PM SirFozzie
You are Kikuko Kodo, a run-of-the-mill samurai. You do have one advantage over your teammates, however. It is a badass sword in your room that seems to be able to communicate telepathically with you. You may exchange pm's with Barkeep until the Night 1 actions are posted.

1/27 3:34 PM Alan T
You are Hisao Tsuchiya, the most deadly ninja in all the lands. Within the game, that means you are the brutal ninja and can take down an opponent if lynched. Your teammates are Eaglesfan, Mr. Wednesday, and Kingfc22.

1/27 3:35 PM Barkeep
You are an intelligent Katana. Play it however you want, but here are your rules. 1.) You are out of the game if used to kill someone 2.) You must be passed every evening if you are not used to kill someone. 3.) You cannot reveal game information from our pre-game conversations – no info on roles, number of ninja/samurai, etc. 4.) PM with your one player only – no posting in main thread or with other players besides the person who possesses you. Help/hurt whatever side floats your boat.

[KWhit]

Just checked back in. I might read through the last few pages to see how things ended, but it was nice to see that I was dead-on about King. I knew the ninjas wouldn't be stupid enough to let him live if he were actually a samurai, since he was the obvious kill for them strategically after most of us considered him cleared.

Good game, Hoops. I like the secretive nature of the rules and roles. It's kind of fun to have a little confusion going around. Well done.

[Eaglesfan27]

Also on that night Eagles was not able to scan the mentally strong Path. I believe they thought he was the seer, so they popped him the following night while Qwikshot took out PackerFanatic (Night 2).


Exactly. I thought Path was the seer when he negated my view. After the second view also failed, I was confused, and was hypothesizing that there might be a 3rd faction. I think our biggest mistake was killing RPI-Fan. We thought that might take heat off of King since RPI was on King, and it might look like a setup of King for RPI to die.

[Qwikshot]

Well, I was brutal this game, and rusty. I did the right thing not killing Blade, but was so fearful that I would be killed before killing someone that I rashly went out of my way to kill someone.

I can say that while I was completely fooled by King, I knew Lathum wasn't bad, so I'm glad my last vote at least was a ninja.

[saldana]

excellent game hoops, very well done and excellent writing as well....you were right, i never was going to figure out the tie breaker rules....and just to pop Blade's ego a little bit :), i had eaglesfan pegged from 10 minutes after i died, so i actually figured out 2 (i was calling for alant for 2 days) of the 4...admittedly though, i had nothing on Mr. W, and was a bit suspicious on King, but probably not enough to push on him.

And blade, maybe the reason none of us picked up on your King hints before you died were because since you post every 2 seconds, most of us dont really read what you write anymore :D

Great game guys....Alan, since Dubb is apparently retired, i will now be voting for you every day 1 from until a better candidate come along.

[Mr. Wednesday]

If you guys hadn't killed RPI, but, for example, killed Taz instead, you would have gotten two samurai killed.. because we would certainly have voted for RPI instead of King today if that had been the case..You really think so? I doubt it. He would have had tremendous cred after leading a three-day crusade against me.

Come to think of it... the lynch vote between us has to have been damn close to getting both of us killed. RPI can't have been much below 40% of the vote.

[Barkeep49]

I just want to say it was very frustrating seeing Fozzie come so close to not being lynched but still being lynched thus removing me from the game. I was excited about being able to manipulate things behind the scenes, especially as Fozzie didn't automatically know he could use me to kill, but I never got the chance. I thought the game played out pretty well. I am proud of the fact that once I knew king was a ninja, cause I knew the rules about blinding the bodyguard, I figured out right away that Eagles was also a ninja. But while I was intensely reading the thread I had no real bead on W.

[Alan T]

excellent game hoops, very well done and excellent writing as well....you were right, i never was going to figure out the tie breaker rules....and just to pop Blade's ego a little bit :), i had eaglesfan pegged from 10 minutes after i died, so i actually figured out 2 (i was calling for alant for 2 days) of the 4...admittedly though, i had nothing on Mr. W, and was a bit suspicious on King, but probably not enough to push on him.

And blade, maybe the reason none of us picked up on your King hints before you died were because since you post every 2 seconds, most of us dont really read what you write anymore :D

Great game guys....Alan, since Dubb is apparently retired, i will now be voting for you every day 1 from until a better candidate come along.

You caused me many problems. I couldn't have you killed for obvious reasons, thats why you were the special target when I went down. :)

[Grammaticus]

Hoops,

I think the results write ups were really good. They also got better deeper into the game. They were great to read. I think the way night one was handled was pretty good from a balance perspective, considering the given rule set.

I like the secret roles in the sense people do not know what specialty roles will exist in the game. It allows for some creativity regarding reveals and strategy. I do think the roles should come from a “known list” or basically not be completely foreign to players. Basically, there may be a seer in the game or there may not, but everyone knows what a seer is. This may be completely a personal preference.

I’m not sure about the fact roles were not revealed upon death. It was certainly fun, but there seems to be a need for some things to be tangible in WW games in order to mechanically maintain a balanced game. If the good guys don’t know who or I should say what role was killed, it is not always possible to put the logic together. You basically have to go on post content alone. From what I can tell in reading about mafia/werewolf, post content is key, but role reveal is also key in validating post content as the game progresses.

By not having role reveals upon death and having a lynch percentage trigger, I think the favor goes to the ninja with both. The bodyguard was weakened severely with the one guard per player and blinded upon guarding a ninja. The seer was also weakened by allowing mentally strong saves and the ninja were given a seer too as an offset. The ninja having to make a conversion percentage was in favor of the Samurai and the Samurai did get a one time pk role (but the ninja had a brutal wolf). All said and done, I think the advantage with the rule set was with the ninja. A way to add some balance would be to make the bodyguard work the traditional way, let everyone know about the lynch percentage rule up front and remove the seer ability from the ninja.

Oh, it was a lot of fun to play. Probably my favorite one so far and I think everyone had a good time with this one. I don’t mean to be too critical of the rules, the Samurai did win. But one game is not a benchmark for play testing. I think if you played this same rule set several times, you would end up making some tweaks. I’m just guessing at what some good tweaks would be.

BTW, has anyone ever run a game on these boards with the serial killer role? It sounds like a bizarre option and I’m wondering if it adds to being an enjoyable game.

[saldana]

BTW, has anyone ever run a game on these boards with the serial killer role? It sounds like a bizarre option and I’m wondering if it adds to being an enjoyable game.


dont make me run a game where roles are handed out as count chocula and dig'm the frog :)

[SnDvls]

BTW, has anyone ever run a game on these boards with the serial killer role? It sounds like a bizarre option and I’m wondering if it adds to being an enjoyable game.

I tried in my Time Traveler game...just didn't work in my game.

[hoopsguy]

There was a serial killer in one of Neon's games.

Gram, all of those issues favoring the ninja are accurate. It is part of the reason I threw in Desnudo's role that provided info on two of the night kills. But the biggest issue that faced the ninjas down the stretch was that an individual ninja could not kill on back-to-back nights. So if they did get down to one ninja against four or more samurai that they would be guaranteed to miss a night kill. By that point in the game, they would have depended heavily upon being in an accepted circle of trust - which is potentially hard to do. The ninja here definitely struggled to gain trust over the six day game.

I'm not sure how this one would play out over a number of sessions. The wolves complained about their bad breaks, but here is what went down for the villagers:
Day 1: lose SirFozzie, and thus the intelligent weapon (could play either way)
Night 1: see their bodyguard role neutralized. Remember it is also modified witness (25% chance for list of 3 on kill each night - list includes at least one ninja - repeatable role)
Night 2: the assassin kills a samurai
Day 3: the seer is lynched

So the villagers lost a lot of their difference maker roles early on. The people who decided the game (besides random.org on the conversion) were the plain old villagers.

[PackerFanatic]

I almost thought we weren't gonna win it, heh...

[Desnudo]

You really think so? I doubt it. He would have had tremendous cred after leading a three-day crusade against me.

Come to think of it... the lynch vote between us has to have been damn close to getting both of us killed. RPI can't have been much below 40% of the vote.

I was nearly positive RPI was innocent. You know, I hardly saw any decent arguments for voting for him. I was starting to get suspicious of the people doing the pushing. If I had stayed alive another day, I would have pushed hard for King. I got him in my free ninja guess from Hoops once I died. :)

I thought King was the last ninja and would have been suprised when the game continued. Eaglesfan was in the back of my mind due to having to make two excuses, the last of which seemed hollow. One excuse you can let go, but the second...Honestly, if it was Schmidty instead of Eagles that did that, we probably would have voted him the next day. I probably would have voted for Lathum after King though due to his pushing for RPI.

Nice job on the pairing Alan. It seems obvious in hindsight, but I never caught on to it.

[Alan T]

So the villagers lost a lot of their difference maker roles early on. The people who decided the game (besides random.org on the conversion) were the plain old villagers.


Yeah, I don't think there was a case where one side got more bad breaks than the other. I can think of some lucky stuff that happened to us as well as unlucky. I think there were alot of weird behind the scenes things that ended up happening that threw everyone for a loop, which caused much more entertainment in this one.

[Mr. Wednesday]

The wolves complained about their bad breaks, but here is what went down for the villagers: My observation was that we caught a bunch of early breaks in terms of villager actions, but lost out on about every random number roll.

[hoopsguy]

I would agree with that, including the secondary role assignments. There was a 25% chance for anyone to be mentally strong and none of the four ninjas rolled this. 50% of the 16 samurai got this designation. You did pull one of the two incorruptable choices, which helped your cause but was ultimately rendered moot when you rolled the killer 10% on the conversion attempt of a "not incorruptable" samurai.

[Barkeep49]

Looking at this rule set I think it promotes itself to one team really killing the other. This was a lot closer than I expected.

[kingfc22]

Yea, the reason we killed RPI was because he was putting a lot of heat on me before he died. However, nobody brought up the idea that I was being framed thus I had to come up with something at the last minute. I had made the kill the previous night and since Eagles was the other suspect, if I was saved I would not have been able to kill.