Werewolf: Hunt for Necromancers - GAME OVER! Post #3469

[path12]

1. path had a blessed scarab at the start of the game, used it night 2, unknown if it protected his room or not.

Just catching up. I have no idea whether the scarab was blessed or not.....and judging by hoops description of hearing screams from my chamber I don't think my room was protected. It was not spelled out in my night 3 PM.

[path12]

i actually accounted for those two in an earlier post.

1. path had a blessed scarab at the start of the game, used it night 2, unknown if it protected his room or not.

2. the head necro had a cursed scarab at the start of the game, used it night 4, and it clouded Dubb's view of him today

3. the enchanter made a scarab and gave it to barkeep on night 3., we dont know where it is now.

Also, when I used my scarab I asked hoops if I could pass it later, he said when it was used it is destroyed, so if barkeep used it it's nowhere now.

[saldana]

Just catching up. I have no idea whether the scarab was blessed or not.....and judging by hoops description of hearing screams from my chamber I don't think my room was protected. It was not spelled out in my night 3 PM.

that was on night 3, you were protected by the scarab on night 2 (that was the night you got the helmet) if the scarab only works for one day, then you may not have known.


QUESTION TO HOOPS: does someone know if a scarab prevented someone from entering their room, or do they just sleep through the night?

[tanglewood]

1.) Tanglewood is going to have heart failure when he sees the amount of posts to read

Just got to this. :D

Only four more pages!

Current thoughts: I m leaning towards voting for Dubb. Dubb said SnDvls was a good guy, said Lathum was a normal villager. Lathum said he sumoned Fouts, who is the avatar. Kill Dubb and he comes up as a good soothsayer and you clear SnDvls, Lathum and Fouts all in one go. He comes up bad and we go after Fouts and Lathum.

[Lathum]

Just got to this. :D

Only four more pages!

Current thoughts: I m leaning towards voting for Dubb. Dubb said SnDvls was a good guy, said Lathum was a normal villager. Lathum said he sumoned Fouts, who is the avatar. Kill Dubb and he comes up as a good soothsayer and you clear SnDvls, Lathum and Fouts all in one go. He comes up bad and we go after Fouts and Lathum.
lol, keep reading my friend

[st.cronin]

Sometimes that isn't possible, I warn you of this before you find yourself in a situation where u've spent free time for nearly 2 weeks playing and find yourself the only villager left with a wolf, a mafia hitman, and a mafia spy. Sometimes you have to be a dick.

LOL
dubb, you are on fire ... keep em coming

[Tyrith]

The scary thing is that this game is probably gonna go on another three days minimum after this.

[Barkeep49]

Also, when I used my scarab I asked hoops if I could pass it later, he said when it was used it is destroyed, so if barkeep used it it's nowhere now.
Youl should not assume that.

[Tyrith]

Actually, on that note, about the discussion Anxiety was having earlier about the number of enemies...I think we're facing six, maybe, at most. Any surviving bad guys that have found each other now have massive kill output -- if they have three guys left tonight that's still a kill and a half, plus the ability to have a mummy, plus disease kills from before...and to get to this point required us to get lucky with bek on day three. Realistically I think five is the most likely number because of this.

[Tyrith]

Barkeep, it's six fouts five lathum right now, right?

[Barkeep49]

As of 2510

Fouts - Qwikshot (1887), SnDvls (1893), Chubby (1928), Schmidty (1937), Dubb (2213), Alan (2466),

Alan T - Lathum (1912), Fouts (2247)

Dubb - Vince (2244)

Lathum - Saldana (2267), Tyrith (2297), Anxiety(2343), Barkeep (2345), king (2358)

Not voted - Path, Tanglewood

[dubb93]

Just got to this. :D

Only four more pages!

Current thoughts: I m leaning towards voting for Dubb. Dubb said SnDvls was a good guy, said Lathum was a normal villager. Lathum said he sumoned Fouts, who is the avatar. Kill Dubb and he comes up as a good soothsayer and you clear SnDvls, Lathum and Fouts all in one go. He comes up bad and we go after Fouts and Lathum.

Yea...someone still has some more reading to do.

[path12]

OK. I won't repeat all the arguments for one over the other because frankly I left myself too little time.

I don't buy the scavenger role. I also believe that Blade scanned Bullet, and I think there is no way in hell that was a day 1 scan, so having the summons all ready to go doesn't fly.

I don't know what to make of Dubb's scan of Lathum as clear, whether that has to do with anything or not.

If we are wrong with Lathum, we get 3 days hopefully of Fouts. If we are wrong on Fouts, we get maybe one "scavenge" from Lathum. He is the expendible one to see if we are on the right track or not.

Vote Lathum

[Barkeep49]

As of 2513

Fouts - Qwikshot (1887), SnDvls (1893), Chubby (1928), Schmidty (1937), Dubb (2213), Alan (2466),

Alan T - Lathum (1912), Fouts (2247)

Dubb - Vince (2244)

Lathum - Saldana (2267), Tyrith (2297), Anxiety(2343), Barkeep (2345), king (2358), path(2513)

Not voted - Tanglewood

[Lathum]

the only problem with that is we don't know if fouts goes once I am lynched. if you want to find out about me you are better off voting fouts and finding out for certain that i am good.

[dubb93]

Come on tangle:]

As soon as you vote I'm heading to work.

[path12]

the only problem with that is we don't know if fouts goes once I am lynched. if you want to find out about me you are better off voting fouts and finding out for certain that i am good.

I don't know that. It's the risk we'll have to take.

[Alan T]

Everyone realizes that right now with it close, Fouts and Lathum can decide who to kill off by just dumping their votes on the person they want. Even with Tanglewood's vote still out, they can either tie it or push it one direction.

Just a thought in case we want to actually be in control of this lynch.

[path12]

I submitted Lathum for the tiebreak.

[Barkeep49]

I wish Vince had at least voted for Alan if he wasn't oging to vote for Fouts or Lathum.

[Barkeep49]

Everyone realizes that right now with it close, Fouts and Lathum can decide who to kill off by just dumping their votes on the person they want. Even with Tanglewood's vote still out, they can either tie it or push it one direction.

Just a thought in case we want to actually be in control of this lynch.
Path can always duke. So I'm not TOO worried about that.

[Abe Sargent]

Technically tied but the Lathum vote has the tie breaker.


-Anxiety

[Lathum]

ok, I have to do this

UNVOTE ALANT
VOTE FOUTS

I know fouts is the avatar but I need to do this out of self preservation. Once I am cleared anyone who switches off or creates a tieshould be regarded as very suspicious.

[Fouts]

Unvote Alan T

Vote Fouts

[Barkeep49]

Lathum you have no more use to us, and Fouts does. If you are what you say you are you should at least let us benefit from Fouts.

[path12]

Aren't we past deadline?

[Barkeep49]

Path: Duke Lathum. Please.

[Barkeep49]

Another hour to go. It's Central time not eastern.

[Barkeep49]

As of 2528

Fouts - Qwikshot (1887), SnDvls (1893), Chubby (1928), Schmidty (1937), Dubb (2213), Alan (2466), Lathum (2523), Fouts (2524)

Dubb - Vince (2244)

Lathum - Saldana (2267), Tyrith (2297), Anxiety(2343), Barkeep (2345), king (2358), path(2513)

Not voted - Tanglewood

[path12]

ok, I have to do this

UNVOTE ALANT
VOTE FOUTS

I know fouts is the avatar but I need to do this out of self preservation. Once I am cleared anyone who switches off or creates a tieshould be regarded as very suspicious.

This helps convince me that you are not Egyptian.

[Fouts]

Lathum you have no more use to us, and Fouts does. If you are what you say you are you should at least let us benefit from Fouts.

Maybe he does. I am of the opinion that Lathum is more help than I will be.

[path12]

Another hour to go. It's Central time not eastern.

My bad.

[Lathum]

This helps convince me that you are not Egyptian.
well lets let the lynch play itself out

[bulletsponge]

deadline in 1 hour

[path12]

Path: Duke Lathum. Please.

Let's see how the rest of the time goes. I think we might get some switched votes. It's certainly what I'm leaning toward though.

[dubb93]

UNVOTE FOUTS

VOTE LATHUM

Do I need to explain after what he just pulled?

[Tyrith]

I second barkeep. If there was ever a time to use the duke power, this is it.

[dubb93]

Maybe we can still get the votes. I switched up after seeing what Lathum tried to do.

[dubb93]

With that I'm off to work. Maybe the most interesting day of werewolf ever and something tells me it isn't finished. I'll catch up in the morning.

[Fouts]

Maybe we can still get the votes. I switched up after seeing what Lathum tried to do.

Looks to me like he tried to save himself over a 3 day avatar. You guys are dead set on killing a good guy.

[Barkeep49]

I would rather get the votes as well. I would prefer you keep your power in the bank.

[kingfc22]

Lathum and Fouts change their votes within a minute of each other. Yea, that doesn't scream of coordinated teamwork.

[dubb93]

One last thing incase I can't say this tomorrow, I heart fouts.

[dubb93]

Anyone who can be presented with all the evidence he has and blindly ignore it all in the name of playing his role deserves a big kudo, even if he is playing the role of a mummy.

[Abe Sargent]

I bet Blade was PISSED that we wasn't alive for today. :)


-Anxiety

[Tyrith]

Anyone who can be presented with all the evidence he has and blindly ignore it all in the name of playing his role deserves a big kudo, even if he is playing the role of a mummy.

I absolutely have to agree with this. Fouts, you've done a good job -- I'm fairly certain I would have gone insane having to do what you've done.

[saldana]

well lets let the lynch play itself out


why, if you are what you say you are, then what good are you to us past this point...we get a bodyguard that kills anyone that attacks it, but you would rather save yourself, the scavenger, that may not do anything else for the rest of the game.....SCREAMS WOLF to me.

[Lathum]

why, if you are what you say you are, then what good are you to us past this point...we get a bodyguard that kills anyone that attacks it, but you would rather save yourself, the scavenger, that may not do anything else for the rest of the game.....SCREAMS WOLF to me.
why? because I still want to play the game and be alive.

you are about to look very bad

[Abe Sargent]

I'm betting lathum is prophecy. Mayeb that's why he felt eyes and no one else has, he as the prophecy, so he is highly attuned, but thought everyone did, so he spoke up in order to gain our confidence.

-Anxiety

[saldana]

why? because I still want to play the game and be alive.

you are about to look very bad


if its whats good for the team, you should be willing to die....the needs of the many outweigh, the needs of the few

[kingfc22]

why? because I still want to play the game and be alive.

you are about to look very bad

Even if fouts turns up as an avatar. I am more inclined to believe that you are the prophecy and fouts was only designed to protect you.

As far as dubb goes, he either lied hoping to force your hand or his scan was messed with.

[Fouts]

Thanks, but I don't think I was successful. In fact, I think I have failed. There are reasons to vote elsewhere, but I cannot get anyone to listen.

Also, the only evidence I have seen is a scan from dubb, and claim by lathum to have summoned me, and being told I am the Avatar. Everything else today has been speculation.

[kingfc22]

Also, I'm fairly certain that the prophecy is the one that killed our seer and it just happened to occur on the same day that you and Blade were going back and forth.

[Fouts]

BTW, if Lathum is anything else than the mystic, I will be shocked.

[saldana]

BTW, if Lathum is anything else than the mystic, I will be shocked.

if this is true....all the MORE reason he should say so with you alive!!!!

he could be protected by you for 3 nights, then the EG, and the enchanter will get another scarab into the game before you die....he could be protected for the next 5 nights without a care in the world!!

[Tyrith]

BTW, if Lathum is anything else than the mystic, I will be shocked.

ROFL, omg, that's great, you are too good at this.

[Fouts]

And Lathum hasn't told me his role, just from my observations. Either way, today has been a waste, if I don't mention that these people seem to be working together - Alan T, saldana, Tyrith, and possible Anxiety.

[Barkeep49]

So the more I think about it the more I think path should hold off on his tie breaker. I think the risk/reward for using that is quite low here.

[saldana]

And Lathum hasn't told me his role, just from my observations. Either way, today has been a waste, if I don't mention that these people seem to be working together - Alan T, saldana, Tyrith, and possible Anxiety.

thats cause we're all egyptians!!!!

[Tyrith]

if this is true....all the MORE reason he should say so with you alive!!!!

he could be protected by you for 3 nights, then the EG, and the enchanter will get another scarab into the game before you die....he could be protected for the next 5 nights without a care in the world!!

Like we could ever believe him now...

[kingfc22]

did tangle vote yet?

[saldana]

just realized hoops said its gonna be a few hours until he posts the results...that sucks.

[kingfc22]

just realized hoops said its gonna be a few hours until he posts the results...that sucks.

That's if he is playing poker. Let's just hope for a bad beat this one time.;)

[saldana]

Like we could ever believe him now...


you're right, we wouldnt, and if he does show up as the mystic, i will have to think of this as one of the worst plays ever. (sorry lathum)

[Barkeep49]

did tangle vote yet?
Not that I have recorded.

And the reveal is going to be quite a bit from now.

[Barkeep49]

That's if he is playing poker. Let's just hope for a bad beat this one time.;)
He's going to be in cash games if he busts out of the tourney I would wager, knowing him and his poker habbits.

[Fouts]

thats cause we're all egyptians!!!!

eqyptians can't pm each other. I get the feeling you guys are talking outside the thread.

[Barkeep49]

Fouts: Brothers are neutral but that does not mean they aren't also Egyptian.

[kingfc22]

This thread is going to be #2 all-time within the next hour or so.

[Barkeep49]

So let's say Fouts is killed and is indeed the avatar. What does that tell us?

[kingfc22]

So right now I have it as 7-7-1 with vince voting for dubb and tangle having no vote.

Path would be the tiebreaker lynching lathum.

[Alan T]

So let's say Fouts is killed and is indeed the avatar. What does that tell us?

That I am more confused than I have ever been in my life.

[kingfc22]

So let's say Fouts is killed and is indeed the avatar. What does that tell us?

Why would Lathum and Fouts vote for Fouts?

[tanglewood]

Okay possibilties, and general thought spewing:

Lathum is a necro, the necros summoned Fouts as a mummy, then he tries to defend him and get him not lynched. Seems a crazy move to make to me, why would he stick his neck out? Also, this would either cast significant doubt on Dubb as being a good guy, or perhaps the head necro cannot be veriefed by the soothsayer.

Lathum is a necro, he knows that Fouts is not summoned by him. He defends Fouts thinking he'll look good when Fouts comes up as the Avatar. But then why throw in the reveal about his scavanger role? Dubb had cleared him as a normal villager, so I don't get why he would have done a fake reveal. This also places severe doubt over Dubb.

Lathum is a scavanger and summoned Fouts. Then why did Dubb come up with a plain villager 'view'? And why is scavanger not in the rules? I will say that the possibility of Blade having started making an Avartar right away to me is not far fetched. If I got the mystic role, the first thing I would have done was ask Hoops if it requires consecutive days, and if not I would definitley burn one day on the first night. I can see the scenario where Blade went either avatar/avatar/bullet or avatar/bullet/avatar. I think the avatar gives the village a big advantage, more so than seeing a few people, so I would have gone for it fairly early That said, why is the scavanger role not in the rules and how come Dubb saw Lathum as a normal villager?

Lathum is a normal villager and is just shitting us. This obviously makes no sense at all, but hey, you never know.

To me in every scenario there is a lot of doubt placed over Dubb, I am not sure if I can 100% trust him anymore so for me he is out of the circle of turst, and by association SnDvls is also out. Of course, it could be that the necros are somehow messing with him or a device used or whatever, but it is enough for me to drop my confdence in him, we have no way of veryfiying anything he has said is true. Also, the scenario most plausible to me is either that Fouts is good, but Lathum is either bad or good, but then Fouts has stated that Lathum summoned him and that he is good, so presumabley they are working on the same side. I can't see any sense that Lathum as the head necro summoned an obvious looking bad guy and then stuck his neck out for him. A possibility I am willing to entertain is that Lathum is merely a generic necro and the head necro designated him to be the one to stick up for Fouts, on the basis that it was an acceptable risk to take. However, again the whole ting for m comes back to what the hell happened with Dubb's view?

[Tyrith]

Over/under on the number of posts in this thread, total: 4400.

[Barkeep49]

So right now I have it as 7-7-1 with vince voting for dubb and tangle having no vote.

Path would be the tiebreaker lynching lathum.
King I have 8-6-1. Check my vote count here:

Fouts - Qwikshot (1887), SnDvls (1893), Chubby (1928), Schmidty (1937), Dubb (2213), Alan (2466), Lathum (2523), Fouts (2524)

Dubb - Vince (2244)

Lathum - Saldana (2267), Tyrith (2297), Anxiety(2343), Barkeep (2345), king (2358), path(2513)

Not voted - Tanglewood

[Fouts]

So the more I think about it the more I think path should hold off on his tie breaker. I think the risk/reward for using that is quite low here.

So, does the Pharaoh lose his role if he doesn't lynch a necro? or just the duke ability?

[Coffee Warlord]

Don't think I have his phone number handy, otherwise I'd call him and get you results when they come due. Pity.

[Barkeep49]

Why would Lathum and Fouts vote for Fouts?
Because Lathum is the Prophecy and Fouts knows he, Lathum, is more useful than he Fouts?

[kingfc22]

dubb unvoted fouts and voted lathum. post 2536

[Barkeep49]

Don't think I have his phone number handy, otherwise I'd call him and get you results when they come due. Pity.
I do have his phone number, but I do not expect he would be available at the time otherwise he'd have done like we did before with my doing the reveal.

[Abe Sargent]

eqyptians can't pm each other. I get the feeling you guys are talking outside the thread.


There was enough talking INside the thread today that I don;t think there wa a need to do so elsewhere.

[Tyrith]

Don't think I have his phone number handy, otherwise I'd call him and get you results when they come due. Pity.

Barkeep has it, and has done it once before this thread, but he doesn't have hoops PM box.

[Fouts]

Okay possibilties, and general thought spewing:

Lathum is a necro, the necros summoned Fouts as a mummy, then he tries to defend him and get him not lynched. Seems a crazy move to make to me, why would he stick his neck out? Also, this would either cast significant doubt on Dubb as being a good guy, or perhaps the head necro cannot be veriefed by the soothsayer.

Lathum is a necro, he knows that Fouts is not summoned by him. He defends Fouts thinking he'll look good when Fouts comes up as the Avatar. But then why throw in the reveal about his scavanger role? Dubb had cleared him as a normal villager, so I don't get why he would have done a fake reveal. This also places severe doubt over Dubb.

Lathum is a scavanger and summoned Fouts. Then why did Dubb come up with a plain villager 'view'? And why is scavanger not in the rules? I will say that the possibility of Blade having started making an Avartar right away to me is not far fetched. If I got the mystic role, the first thing I would have done was ask Hoops if it requires consecutive days, and if not I would definitley burn one day on the first night. I can see the scenario where Blade went either avatar/avatar/bullet or avatar/bullet/avatar. I think the avatar gives the village a big advantage, more so than seeing a few people, so I would have gone for it fairly early That said, why is the scavanger role not in the rules and how come Dubb saw Lathum as a normal villager?

Lathum is a normal villager and is just shitting us. This obviously makes no sense at all, but hey, you never know.

To me in every scenario there is a lot of doubt placed over Dubb, I am not sure if I can 100% trust him anymore so for me he is out of the circle of turst, and by association SnDvls is also out. Of course, it could be that the necros are somehow messing with him or a device used or whatever, but it is enough for me to drop my confdence in him, we have no way of veryfiying anything he has said is true. Also, the scenario most plausible to me is either that Fouts is good, but Lathum is either bad or good, but then Fouts has stated that Lathum summoned him and that he is good, so presumabley they are working on the same side. I can't see any sense that Lathum as the head necro summoned an obvious looking bad guy and then stuck his neck out for him. A possibility I am willing to entertain is that Lathum is merely a generic necro and the head necro designated him to be the one to stick up for Fouts, on the basis that it was an acceptable risk to take. However, again the whole ting for m comes back to what the hell happened with Dubb's view?

Finally, somebody using their brain. Keep it simple. What is the simplest explanation? Why does everything have to think there is some elaborate plan? I was summoned by Lathum to protect the eqyptians. Pretty simple.

[Tyrith]

I have king's correction, too, and it's 7-7-1 with tangle left for me.

[Barkeep49]

Fouts: Why is Lathum more valuable to us then you? Obviously you believe it which is why your vote is on you. Help me understand.

[kingfc22]

So, does the Pharaoh lose his role if he doesn't lynch a necro? or just the duke ability?

I think he loses his duke ability if he chooses to duke a nec. Not if he is the tiebreaker vote.

[tanglewood]

I think it is clear that Fouts and Lathum are working together on the same side. I also think it is more likely that they are both good than they are both bad. When summoned, the overwhelming likelyhood was that Fouts would be lynched, so it makes no sense at all to me that Lathum goes out of his way to protect a bad guy, knowing full well he would be lynched the next day in response. Therefore, I am forced to conclude that they are both good, not necessarily that they are telling the truth about their roles, but that they are both good.

Fouts: Do you know what will happen if Lathum dies, will you die too immediatley or live your 3 days regardless?

[path12]

So, does the Pharaoh lose his role if he doesn't lynch a necro? or just the duke ability?

Just the duke ability as I understand it.

[Barkeep49]

So here's the thing. I think Lathum is either the Prophecy or the Head Necro. If he's the Prophecy do we want to get rid of him? I worry about the ramifications, as we already got some nasty foreshadowing back before we lynched Bek.

[Fouts]

Fouts: Why is Lathum more valuable to us then you? Obviously you believe it which is why your vote is on you. Help me understand.

Because I believe he has more powers to find necros or help the village. I am a 3 day person who can only protect. The necros can just wait me out.

And Lathum did not tell me to change my vote. This is a lynch where the eqyptians are going to lose, and I am the smallest loss.

[tanglewood]

So here's the thing. I think Lathum is either the Prophecy or the Head Necro. If he's the Prophecy do we want to get rid of him? I worry about the ramifications, as we already got some nasty foreshadowing back before we lynched Bek.

Barkeep, what is the scenario where Lathum is the Head Necro, Fouts is working with him and claims to have been summoned by him, and Lathum is telling everyone that Fouts is good and we will see when he is lynched. I just can't see it at this moment.

[kingfc22]

[quote=tanglewood]I think it is clear that Fouts and Lathum are working together on the same side./quote]

That is clear. But I don't think they are on our side. I think Lathum is the prophecy and Fouts is his own personal bodyguard. If Fouts was supposed to protect us for the next 3 days, then why would Lathum and Fouts change their votes and both vote for Fouts within a minute of each other?

[path12]

Therefore, I am forced to conclude that they are both good, not necessarily that they are telling the truth about their roles, but that they are both good.

If that's the case, seeing how the votes are stacking up, it makes no sense to lie about any role info at this point if they're good. It only makes sense if they're bad.

[Fouts]

I think it is clear that Fouts and Lathum are working together on the same side. I also think it is more likely that they are both good than they are both bad. When summoned, the overwhelming likelyhood was that Fouts would be lynched, so it makes no sense at all to me that Lathum goes out of his way to protect a bad guy, knowing full well he would be lynched the next day in response. Therefore, I am forced to conclude that they are both good, not necessarily that they are telling the truth about their roles, but that they are both good.

Fouts: Do you know what will happen if Lathum dies, will you die too immediatley or live your 3 days regardless?

I haven't been told. If I were to guess, without a master, the summoned disappears.

[Lathum]

Fouts: Common sense is lacking at the moment since common sense would say that Lathum has no way of blocking dubb's scan.
exactlly so vote for fouts and prove that I am a good guy.

[saldana]

fouts, your duty is to protect the egyptians, not just lathum, so why not vote for him?

[tanglewood]

If that's the case, seeing how the votes are stacking up, it makes no sense to lie about any role info at this point if they're good. It only makes sense if they're bad.

Not sure, if Lathum is the Prophecy maybe he wants to keep it quiet for now.

[Fouts]

[quote=tanglewood]I think it is clear that Fouts and Lathum are working together on the same side./quote]

That is clear. But I don't think they are on our side. I think Lathum is the prophecy and Fouts is his own personal bodyguard. If Fouts was supposed to protect us for the next 3 days, then why would Lathum and Fouts change their votes and both vote for Fouts within a minute of each other?

Because there is no Fouts without Lathum.

[Fouts]

fouts, your duty is to protect the egyptians, not just lathum, so why not vote for him?

I am protecting an egyptian.

[kingfc22]

If that's the case, seeing how the votes are stacking up, it makes no sense to lie about any role info at this point if they're good. It only makes sense if they're bad.

1. The rules clearly state that their is only one hidden role. Note:scavenger is not listed.

2. Two mystics would seem to unfairly balance the game in our favor. Let's assume for a second that blade was not killed. Are you telling me that we could have 1 EG, 2 avatars and a favored by the gods all at one time? And the necs do not know who each other are.

[saldana]

shit, i have to drive home, i guess i will see how this ends in about half an hour

[tanglewood]

Because I believe he has more powers to find necros or help the village. I am a 3 day person who can only protect. The necros can just wait me out.

And Lathum did not tell me to change my vote. This is a lynch where the eqyptians are going to lose, and I am the smallest loss.

To me this is a huge hint that Lathum is the Prophecy. If he is just a scavanger, then how could he be much more valuable in the future? It is not a huge seeming role.

Of course, you said he hasn't told you his role Fouts, so....

[Barkeep49]

I don't think the prophet is on our side. But I fear what will happen if we kill him.

Unvote Lathum
Vote Fouts

[Barkeep49]

Tangle I agree, Lathum is the prophecy. It explains all the unexplained. So it just leaves whether he's good or evil. Lynching Fouts tells us more about that.

[Fouts]

Funny how I started the day trying to save myself, and now I'm asking you to vote for me. A great day for the Necros.

[tanglewood]

At this point I am going to go for Fouts.

If he is a mummy we have killed the mummy.
If he is the avatar, at least we still have alive whoever summoned him.

It is the least worst situation at the moment as far as I am concerned.

Vote Fouts

[path12]

Tangle I agree, Lathum is the prophecy. It explains all the unexplained. So it just leaves whether he's good or evil. Lynching Fouts tells us more about that.

So then is Lathum the one to vote for or is Fouts?

[kingfc22]

I really wish hoops was around. Just dying to see what happens.

[path12]

Or dola, if the vote goes to Fouts is it worth trying the duke?

[Fouts]

Tangle I agree, Lathum is the prophecy. It explains all the unexplained. So it just leaves whether he's good or evil. Lynching Fouts tells us more about that.

Just think how good we would have had it. Lathum secure, an Avatar to protect and a necro dead.

Ah well, such is the game of WW.

[tanglewood]

fouts, your duty is to protect the egyptians, not just lathum, so why not vote for him?

FWIW, this is terrible logic Saldana. If Fouts is a good guy, why would he vote for a confirmed to him good guy?

[Fouts]

Or dola, if the vote goes to Fouts is it worth trying the duke?

You're the Pharaoh. Tell them what to do.

[Abe Sargent]

I still think Lathum, BK, sorry. If you off our mystic, you are no ally.


-Anxiety

[tanglewood]

Or dola, if the vote goes to Fouts is it worth trying the duke?

I would say yes. Switch it to someone, anyone.

Maybe Dubb, but then if Lathum is the prophecy maybe he was genuinly screwed with.

[kingfc22]

So then is Lathum the one to vote for or is Fouts?

Are we sure that if the summoner dies that the avatar/mummy dies with him?

[Barkeep49]

Or dola, if the vote goes to Fouts is it worth trying the duke?
No. I think the risk/reward of duking here is too small. It would be different if we didn't think they were both one or the other.

[tanglewood]

Are we sure that if the summoner dies that the avatar/mummy dies with him?

To me it makes sense.

[Tyrith]

Or dola, if the vote goes to Fouts is it worth trying the duke?

The question is what do you we do if Fouts dies and we get some horrible mismash that he isn't a mummy? Lathum has been lying to us all day about his role for some reason and I highly doubt it is a good one. At this point I think we're gonna have to kill lathum no matter how this goes down and I'd rather try for the 2 for 1 right now.

[Fouts]

Path, if you believe I am an Avatar, then Lathum is good. Lathum has said he believes Alan is a necro.

[path12]

You're the Pharaoh. Tell them what to do.

I'm a benevolent ruler. I listen to my people.

[Barkeep49]

Well if you're going to duke duke Alan T. Be bold. Win the game. Duke a necro.

[Alan T]

I think tanglewood is giving awful advice here. You are basically telling him to duke someone who very well might be an egyptian thus losing his ability

[Fouts]

The question is what do you we do if Fouts dies and we get some horrible mismash that he isn't a mummy? Lathum has been lying to us all day about his role for some reason and I highly doubt it is a good one. At this point I think we're gonna have to kill lathum no matter how this goes down and I'd rather try for the 2 for 1 right now.

OMG.

[Barkeep49]

I think we're past deadline.

[path12]

Path, if you believe I am an Avatar, then Lathum is good. Lathum has said he believes Alan is a necro.

I don't know WHAT you are! ;)

[Tyrith]

No. I think the risk/reward of duking here is too small. It would be different if we didn't think they were both one or the other.

My thought on this is that you can't take the duke with you after death.

[Barkeep49]

So if all goes according to plan I will be dead in the morning.

[tanglewood]

Oh well, past the deadline.

So Fouts, what are you really? :)

[Barkeep49]

Which I have to admit I'm bummed about because it's been fun living a lot.

[Fouts]

I don't know WHAT you are! ;)

But I have a badge that says "Avatar". :)

[Blade6119]

this should be quite interesting

[Alan T]

Well if you're going to duke duke Alan T. Be bold. Win the game. Duke a necro.


Eh this is bad advice too just like the tanglewood advice to duke dubbs was...

You are basically risking losing the duke ability to duke someone who isnt bad.

That causes him to lose his ability. I personally wouldn't duke anyone tonight. Why risk it when its a bad vs bad vote here?

[Fouts]

I haven't lied all day. I'll take that back to the spirit world.

[Tyrith]

What's done is done. It's been fascinating however.

[Fouts]

Eh this is bad advice too just like the tanglewood advice to duke dubbs was...

You are basically risking losing the duke ability to duke someone who isnt bad.

That causes him to lose his ability. I personally wouldn't duke anyone tonight. Why risk it when its a bad vs bad vote here?

That's the thing. It's a good vs good vote, and that is what the duke role was made for.

[kingfc22]

And the wait begins....What is fouts? Who is lathum? Will path use his dukeness?

Stay tuned for an all new episode of WW. Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

[Alan T]

So if all goes according to plan I will be dead in the morning.


I dont understand why they would go after you? Especially if you have a scarab to protect yourself. I honestly am thinking they will target me tonight. They tried very hard today to put a shadow on me even though I have done nothing but try to bring in one bad guy after another. I am under the impression they want me dead badly.

[Barkeep49]

Because I know my role and you do not Alan.

[Fouts]

I don't know path as a player enough to know if he has the cajones to make a move. Most people will just sit back and do nothing. I remember this one game where somebody used the duke role at the start and we won the game in 3 days. It's fun to see that happen.

[kingfc22]

Because I know my role and you do not Alan.

And now I'm confused.:confused:

[Tyrith]

I think we should limit the discussion on targets until after night actions are in...so a day in a half. Long time, but we can't give free info.

[tanglewood]

Eh this is bad advice too just like the tanglewood advice to duke dubbs was...

You are basically risking losing the duke ability to duke someone who isnt bad.

That causes him to lose his ability. I personally wouldn't duke anyone tonight. Why risk it when its a bad vs bad vote here?

1. Bad vs Bad in this situation makes next to zero sense

If both Lathum and Fouts were bad then why the hell didn't the necros try and manuver the vote away from them? Why did lathum stick up for Fouts in the first place knowing he would be exposed as a necro pretty much immediatley?

2. Therefore, if you aren't going to use the duke today, when the hell are you going to use it?

The high vote getters will always have several players claiming 'they are suspicious so why bother duking'? That is why they get the highest votes!

[Blade6119]

I don't know path as a player enough to know if he has the cajones to make a move. Most people will just sit back and do nothing. I remember this one game where somebody used the duke role at the start and we won the game in 3 days. It's fun to see that happen.
It was illinifan, but to be fair we tried to lynch him on day one so we forced his hand and he got luckier then god.

[Tyrith]

Brothers? With cronin perhaps?

[Tyrith]

dola, Nevermind, open roles, me = m0r0n

[Alan T]

1. Bad vs Bad in this situation makes next to zero sense

If both Lathum and Fouts were bad then why the hell didn't the necros try and manuver the vote away from them? Why did lathum stick up for Fouts in the first place knowing he would be exposed as a necro pretty much immediatley?

2. Therefore, if you aren't going to use the duke today, when the hell are you going to use it?

The high vote getters will always have several players claiming 'they are suspicious so why bother duking'? That is why they get the highest votes!

I wasnt saying duking was a bad thing. I was saying duking Dubbs like you suggested who has a very likely possibility of being good and just misled due to someone messing with his vision. It would then lose the duke ability for path.

[path12]

I don't know path as a player enough to know if he has the cajones to make a move. Most people will just sit back and do nothing. I remember this one game where somebody used the duke role at the start and we won the game in 3 days. It's fun to see that happen.

Tossing out the manhood challenge. I like that. I look forward to having an entire game with you sometime.

[kingfc22]

I would agree with tyrith. I think we should wait on posting any more information until hoops gives us the day action recap.

[Tyrith]

1. Bad vs Bad in this situation makes next to zero sense

If both Lathum and Fouts were bad then why the hell didn't the necros try and manuver the vote away from them? Why did lathum stick up for Fouts in the first place knowing he would be exposed as a necro pretty much immediatley?

2. Therefore, if you aren't going to use the duke today, when the hell are you going to use it?

The high vote getters will always have several players claiming 'they are suspicious so why bother duking'? That is why they get the highest votes!

I think the end of the day the qestion wasn't as much "Is Lathum bad?" as much "Is Lathum the Prophecy and, if so, why the crap is blade dead?"

Side note, in the last three games it seems like lathum has gone BG-Alpha-either prophecy or head necro, which is an incredible string of important roles.

[Lathum]

I think the end of the day the qestion wasn't as much "Is Lathum bad?" as much "Is Lathum the Prophecy and, if so, why the crap is blade dead?"

Side note, in the last three games it seems like lathum has gone BG-Alpha-either prophecy or head necro, which is an incredible string of important roles.
I already said I am a nobody

[tanglewood]

I wasnt saying duking was a bad thing. I was saying duking Dubbs like you suggested who has a very likely possibility of being good and just misled due to someone messing with his vision. It would then lose the duke ability for path.

Pretty much seems like that's what you're saying here:

Eh this is bad advice too just like the tanglewood advice to duke dubbs was...

You are basically risking losing the duke ability to duke someone who isnt bad.

That causes him to lose his ability. I personally wouldn't duke anyone tonight. Why risk it when its a bad vs bad vote here?

[Fouts]

Tossing out the manhood challenge. I like that. I look forward to having an entire game with you sometime.

LOL. C'mon Pharaoh. Save the egyptians, deliver us from evil! Kill Alan T!!!

[Abe Sargent]

Nothign worse than singing the lyrics to songs that are playing on your large mp3 playlist and find yourself signing along with the chorus to The Pet Shop Boys's "I'm in love with a married man."

-Anxiety

[Fouts]

Tossing out the manhood challenge. I like that. I look forward to having an entire game with you sometime.

I just read this again and it reads like you are letting the Avatar die.

[Lathum]

so could hoops have picked a worse night to not be around at the deadline?

[Abe Sargent]

Coudl Blade have picked a worse day to die before? Or Coffee Warlord for that matter?

[Alan T]

Pretty much seems like that's what you're saying here:

Well I wouldnt duke anyone tonight honestly. Either way we learn something here. But I think duking someone who likely is not bad such as dubbs is bad advice. :)

[Fouts]

Well I wouldnt duke anyone tonight honestly. Either way we learn something here. But I think duking someone who likely is not bad such as dubbs is bad advice. :)

Funny, if anyone gets duked its you. If path believes I am an avatar, lathum is good, and dubb said he was good. So you are the necro. That is the simplest scenario.

There are other scenarios, but they are long shots.

[path12]

I just read this again and it reads like you are letting the Avatar die.

If your suspicions are true, the Avatar dies no matter what I have or haven't done.

[Blade6119]

Coudl Blade have picked a worse day to die before? Or Coffee Warlord for that matter?
LOL, i picked nothing. I didnt PM Hoops and ask to die a terrible death in the middle of the day...i should some game, but didnt this go around ;)

[tanglewood]

If your suspicions are true, the Avatar dies no matter what I have or haven't done.

So you duked over to Lathum I take it?

[path12]

So you duked over to Lathum I take it?

Never said that. But Fouts had the most votes, so he's gone that way or if I did duke Lathum his theory is that he would die also.

[Fouts]

Never said that. But Fouts had the most votes, so he's gone that way or if I did duke Lathum his theory is that he would die also.

My scenario had you duking a necro - Alan.

[Barkeep49]

path you're such a spoil sport not telling us if you duked somebody or not :).

[Alan T]

path you're such a spoil sport not telling us if you duked somebody or not :).

Probably wise. In case Lathum is the prophecy, we dont know what powers he has or what he could do to avoid a duking if he knows about it. At this point, we should just sit back and hope hoops has a bad poker night!

[Tyrith]

path you're such a spoil sport not telling us if you duked somebody or not :).

I kind of want to keep the suspense up, I'm sure hoops is gonna do a good job with this one.

[Alan T]

today has been alot of fun, can't have the end be a let down!

[Swaggs]

Good stuff. Looking forward to this writeup. :)

[Abe Sargent]

Yay us. And again, I cannot compliment everyone enough!

-Anxiety

[path12]

path you're such a spoil sport not telling us if you duked somebody or not :).

I think I give info too easily at times. I'm trying to change that. :)

[Abe Sargent]

path is an information slut

[Abe Sargent]

And there are STILL 9 people here.

[Tyrith]

*looks into 'Ultimate Edition Path Torture Kit'*

[path12]

path is an information slut

See? Once the reputation is out there.......

[saldana]

did hoops actually go out to play cards....if he is playing online, he could have posted during a break :(

[Abe Sargent]

I notice there were no comments on the song that was playing and I was singing along to.

[Blade6119]

did hoops actually go out to play cards....if he is playing online, he could have posted during a break :(
He plays poker in person quite regularly...hes quite good

[kingfc22]

Well, I'm off to play poker for the rest of the night. Cya guys tomorrow.

[hoopsguy]

Back, caught up, and had a ton of PMs for me - enough to fill up my mailbox and I thought I left plenty of room.

So, if you weren't able to reach me with something last minute I apologize for the inconvenience. Write-up forthcoming, even though everyone appears to be asleep now.

And I lost all the money I won last week playing cards. So I'm break even over two weeks - not the result I was looking for tonight :mad:

[hoopsguy]

The appearance of Fouts seems to drive the camp into a frenzie, as everyone has a multitude of thoughts on his purpose and that of his biggest defender, Lathum. The conversation ebbs and flows between these two before finally settling on Fouts as the candidate to drag before the statue of Osiris.

Fouts is adamant about his nature and demands that he be freed to discover the necromancers in the camp. He seems incensed by the limits of his mortal frame and very distraught as he is brought to face the statue. A thunderstorm rages and the winds pick up to dangerous levels. Each of you is forced to shield yourself as the statue begins to glow an eerie red. Suddenly a burst of red, more radiant than the one you observed last night, erupts into the body of Fouts!

Fouts writhes in pain, as the skin melts off his form. He is speaking in a language that none of you have ever heard before. Did you really just see the shape of wings emerge from his back? There is a clap of lightning that blinds you momentarily. When your vision returns, there is nothing left of Fouts.

Night 5 has begun.

[Tyrith]

No surprise. Still have extremely high levels of distrust for Lathum. He either needs to fess up or he needs to die.

[Abe Sargent]

And he was gone. Poof.


-Anxiety

[Vince]

Whew. What a day. Seems like Fouts was most definitely the Avatar (mid-post crafting edit: yup..."23. Fouts - Avatar, lynched Day 5") And it also seems like everyone is all set to lynch Lathum anyways. Which seems pretty foolish to me. Yeah, he's been a little erratic, but it seems completely and totally obvious to me that he is the Prophecy. It also seems obvious to me that he did indeed knock off Blade, but I'm about 100% sure that he had no idea that Blade was the Mystic (I'm pretty sure that NONE of us knew that), and I'm willing to back him (Lathum) as a good guy, considering he summoned the Avatar.

I'm very intrigued by Barkeep's posts after the lynch time passed. They seem very...odd. Also, why in the hell did it matter if I voted for Alan T or Dubb? By the time you posted that (#2520, 6:00 PM PST, one hour before lynch), it was ridiculously obvious that it was going to be either Fouts or Lathum. What difference would voting for Alan T have made? And why are you going to be dead tomorrow? Today's buildup ended rather anti-climactically, if I must say. There seem to be just as many questions as there were before the write-up.

At this point, I have moderate to high levels of suspicion of dubb, Alan T and Barkeep.

[Vince]

Dola -- I still have that nagging conspiracy-theory suspicion of Path, though that's a pretty low-level suspicion.

[dubb93]

At this point, I have moderate to high levels of suspicion of dubb, Alan T and Barkeep.

Good, atleast we have something in common because my suspicion for you is off the charts.

[Vince]

Good, atleast we have something in common because my suspicion for you is off the charts.
Sweet. Solely because I've voted for you, or because I've been going nutty with my conspiracy theories? I don't really feel the need to defend myself, but what do I have to gain (if I were a bad guy) by being so far out there like I have been? With all the mud being flung around between Lathum, Alan T, you, Fouts, etc, it would be rather easy to just lay low and not say anything, which is what I think most (if not all) of the bad guys have done. The people I list as being suspicious of are really the only people I have any sort of read on at all. The rest have been amazingly silent (Schmidty, Chubby today, though he explained that, Tanglewood until very recently), or I just don't have a good feel for at all (Anxiety, Qwikshot, others). If I had to rank everyone right now...

I'm suspicious of...
1. Barkeep
2. Dubb
3. Alan T

I have a slightly bad feeling about...
4. Schmidty
5. Kingfc22

I have no read/am neutral on...
6. Path
7. Anxiety
8. Tyrith
9. Chubby
10. Tanglewood

Leaning towards trusting...
11. Saldana
12. SnDvls
13. Qwikshot
14. Lathum

That's about where my 'circle' of trust is. From here on out, it's going to be awfully difficult to form trust lists. You're out of scans, and our mystic is dead. The guy who brought the Avatar about is one of the most suspected people left.

The more I think of it, the less sense it makes for me not to trust you. You've been completely up front about just about everything, and if my suspicion is correct (Lathum = Prophecy), then in all likelihood, you've been spot-on about your read on him as well. That is, if we believe that the Prophecy can't be "seen" through your power either. I'm going to bed now, but tomorrow I'm going to re-read the posts around the time I left this afternoon -- they're when my distrust of you was engendered, and I'll make sure that it's warranted. Similarly, I'm going to re-evaluate saldana and SnDvls, and make sure I'm trusting them for the right reasons.

[dubb93]

Sweet. Solely because I've voted for you, or because I've been going nutty with my conspiracy theories?

Its got to be the theories. Some of them are freakin out there. Even you have to admit that.

[Vince]

Dola -- Stupid game, keeping me up.

Ok, I voted/posted my thoughts at post #2244 -You could pencil Vince in as another vanilla villager. I got nothin'.

Did I miss Lathum posting since Dubb has cleared him? What makes Lathum think that Fouts is the Avatar (I believe he said he was 99% sure Fouts is the Avatar)? It would be really f***ed if Dubb and Lathum were in cahoots...

That being said, I have to go. If we trust Dubb, that makes Lathum a vanilla villager. He is 99% sure that Fouts is the Avatar, yet Dubb is still going to vote for Fouts. My conspiracy theory bad-guy-o-meter is going wild on this...if Dubb thinks (knows) that Lathum is a plain old vanilla villager, why doesn't he follow Lathum's advice? If Lathum's a vanilla villager, what in the hell makes him 99% sure that Fouts is an Avatar? I think they're both trying to clear themselves. I don't know why I'm doing this (Werewolf 101 -- keep your head low), but my instincts are screaming at me right now.

Vote Dubb.

I posted this at 3:09, at the EXACT SAME TIME as Lathum pulled "I'm not really a normal villager" out of his ass. At that time, you had cleared Lathum as "a normal villager" who was "99% certain" that Fouts was the Avatar. Yet at the same time you weren't agreeing with him. It didn't make sense. Now, how Lathum knew didn't make sense either...but at that point, it was all we had to go off of. I think my ridiculous conspiracy theory at the time was...

Lathum was Head Necromancer (not my idea), so he knew that he didn't summon a mummy. Because of that, he knew that Fouts had to be the Avatar, so he could come out and try to defend him in the face of all reason to come out looking like a good guy when he was eventually lynched. Dubb, the double agent, was going to solidify this standing (and his own) by backing up the bad guy, and saying he was a good guy. When Fouts was lynched anyways (there were too many reasons to lynch him for him to get out of the noose), both would look like they were the only ones to have defended him, and would have gained the trust of everyone.

To be honest, that could still be the case. But Fouts seemed to corroborate Lathum's story, and they wouldn't have been able to communicate had Lathum really been the Head Necromancer. So I think that theory is shot to hell.

[Vince]

Its got to be the theories. Some of them are freakin out there. Even you have to admit that.

Definitely :) I do this every game, but I usually don't post about them. For some reason, I am this game.

[dubb93]

Oh and I can cover your theory. To my knowledge at the time Lathum was generic, no role AT ALL. So knowing that why would I believe he knew anything about Fouts other than a wild guess? And what made his wild guess any better than my guess that Fouts was summoned by the head nec? Now I'm convinced Lathum the prophecy[which I brought up the moment Blade was killed but the group shot down], and equally convinced he has his own winning conditions, I just don't know what they are.

[Vince]

To be honest, since the Avatar was summoned and we know no other summoning has taken place, I'm very surprised that the Head Necromancer didn't try to back up the Avatar -- the Head Necromancer had to know it wasn't a mummy, and had a basically free chance to try to curry favor by supporting a known good guy, who was a very good candidate for a lynch.

[dubb93]

To be honest, since the Avatar was summoned and we know no other summoning has taken place, I'm very surprised that the Head Necromancer didn't try to back up the Avatar -- the Head Necromancer had to know it wasn't a mummy, and had a basically free chance to try to curry favor by supporting a known good guy, who was a very good candidate for a lynch.

I think Tangle made some bold yet under the radar plays yesterday.....

[Vince]

Well, I was with you on the "Why?" of Lathum knowing about the Avatar. With the Mystic already out of the picture, it gets a little murky...but a KNOWN good guy saying he was "99% sure" is a pretty solid statement. I mean, why would he put his neck out like that unless he knew it to be true? I was banking on something like a second soothsayer for a while, but when I had to leave for work, and had 9 hours of thinking about his fake role reveal, I thought about the Prophecy role. Reading through the rest of the thread (from when I left), it totally solidified my opinion of his role as the Prophecy.

[Vince]

I really wish I could have been here today (yesterday for the rest of the world...even though I'm only on the West Coast) -- reading through the day tonight was a blast.

[Vince]

Ok, I really need some sleep. I'm SUPPOSED to go watch the World Cup tomorrow at a friend's place, but I really don't think that's going to happen now.

[dubb93]

Well, I was with you on the "Why?" of Lathum knowing about the Avatar. With the Mystic already out of the picture, it gets a little murky...but a KNOWN good guy saying he was "99% sure" is a pretty solid statement. I mean, why would he put his neck out like that unless he knew it to be true? I was banking on something like a second soothsayer for a while, but when I had to leave for work, and had 9 hours of thinking about his fake role reveal, I thought about the Prophecy role. Reading through the rest of the thread (from when I left), it totally solidified my opinion of his role as the Prophecy.

I will say this. I had very little reason to doubt my scan, but it was no where near as in debth as the one on SNDVLS. That was my first red flag, but I kept telling myself, "hoops was just in a hurry." I even sent hoops an additional PM saying, something tells me I still shouldn't 100% trust Lathum to which he responded he can't talk about trust lists.

To be honest with Sun I got a paragraph going in depth about his post, with Lathum I got, Lathum believes what he said. And that was about it. So while I believe the scan even before the Lathum bullshit, there was something already in my mind telling me I was hornswaggled in one way or the other. I just kept it to myself as a crazy conspiricy theory. And when Lathum came out that is why I was quick to think someone messed with my scan.

Now it looks like I just couldn't get any read on him at all, that would account for my scan saying what Lathum would have wanted it to say.

[dubb93]

So I think for tomorrow we got these questions:

1. Why does Lathum want Alan T dead?

2. If Lathum is the prophecy whos side is he on? He killed the seer but raised the avatar. Then he was pivitol in killing the avatar[changed both his and the avatar's votes]. This tells me he has unfinished business.

3. Did anyone use yesterday as a way of signalling other necs? Or did the head nec try to use yesterday in anyway to gain trust?

4. At what point do we start to do massive role reveals? Not sure this has been done before, but with the seer dead and my powers used up I think it needs to be considered. I attempted it today with Alan and Anxiety, but I don't think they got what I was after.

[Alan T]

So I think for tomorrow we got these questions:

1. Why does Lathum want Alan T dead?

2. If Lathum is the prophecy whos side is he on? He killed the seer but raised the avatar. Then he was pivitol in killing the avatar[changed both his and the avatar's votes]. This tells me he has unfinished business.

3. Did anyone use yesterday as a way of signalling other necs? Or did the head nec try to use yesterday in anyway to gain trust?

4. At what point do we start to do massive role reveals? Not sure this has been done before, but with the seer dead and my powers used up I think it needs to be considered. I attempted it today with Alan and Anxiety, but I don't think they got what I was after.


1. I can only guess because I pushed him and pushed him hard about what was up with his story/what he was up to. So far the two people I pushed somewhat on that were Bullet and Lathum. The entire time yesterday I honestly thought Lathum was a necro because of how he had been acting, and I wanted to push him, wanted him to say alot and wanted to see what he would let slip if he was under the gun. I guess I was wrong about him being a necro, but we all see now why he was being shady and what he was up to. I fear now that just like Blade he will be retaliating after me at some point.

2. All I can think of right now is that he is on his own side. Killing Blade was not in our interest, raising an avatar might have been, having the avatar knowlingly vote to kill himself instead of Lathum was not it appears. I'm not too sure that we can trust Lathum at all.

3. I'm not sure on that, I was so caught up with trying to damn Lathum that I think I honestly did not pay alot of attention to what others did. Only at the end was I watching and I found some of what Tanglewood was doing quite odd to me. Other than that I think I'm going to have to re-read the entire day again and see what jumps out at me. Unfortunatly i can't today as I'm likely heading out for the day soon.

4. I already talked about my role or lack there of earlier when people thought i might be a brother. I'm not a brother, and I don't have any special role. No idea with this game if that may change later, but as of now I'm nothing fancy.

[Alan T]

Just another thought before I head out for the day...


Who all here knew before the day started that it wasn't the mummy? Obviously the only people who knew for sure were Lathum, Fouts and the Head Necro.

We had a few people all day coming up with reasons for how it could possibly be an avatar, and I honestly think some of them were far fetched (ie: we have multiple seers, or whatever). It sounds weird, but I think the people who might possibly need the biggest look and least trust are those who were the most correct about what Fouts was. Like I said Tanglewood comes to mind, but there were others who subtly during the day were trying to push us to thinking it was an avatar. Anxiety I think off the top of my head was one of those... How would they or anyone else know this? I mean from the start of the day till the lynch it screamed mummy to me, I was so sure of that. The fact others wern't makes me think they had more knowledge than I did on it, or I'm just very bad at this game :)

[Alan T]

Ok.. one last thing. We kind of dropped this topic from a few days ago...

But I still strongly feel Cronin was setup by the head necro. The silence spell just rings to me that it was someone who scanned him, saw he was out, thought he was an important role and tried to frame a lynch on him once there was heat.

I think tying yesterday's actions with the Cronin vote might shed some more clues for us:

Cronin - Saldana (618), Schmidty (659), Anxiety (731), Dubb (742), bullet (750), Barkeep (751), Alan T (756), Vince (767), Tanglewood (769)

I notice Anxiety and Tanglewood both on this list as well. Who else on here behaved oddly yesterday with Fouts being in the game?

Ok.. I think thats really it now.. I've said about everything on my mind in case i die tonight.

[Barkeep49]

I am pretty sure you are VERY wrong about one of your two people Alan.

[Barkeep49]

So as far as days to not have a lot of activity when I am at work all day today was a good choice as opposed to yesterday. So thanks everybody.

[Chubby]

Damn, just finished reading like 20 pages to get caught up. So Fouts was the avatar? :( That sucks for us. Is it possible that the avatar can be summoned by summoning him THEN waiting 3 days with no scans? I don't know if that's possible but it might make it so Blade called him if he (Blade) knew he was going to die anyways (which he might or might not of known).

Is the timeline different on the weekend? I see the night 5 deadline isn't til tonight so I don't need to force a vote out there til tomorrow, right?

[Chubby]

Ok I gotta go, I'm pretty sure we don't vote today but I'm not sure why (seems we're still on night 5). The wedding is at 3pm EST so I don't know when i'll be able to get online again tho i'll try. At worst I'll be online sometime tomorrow morning on my way back from the boonies (we drove to my girlfriend's grandma's house so I could at least get online to catch up on the reading and vote tho that's not needed I guess) to work.

[Alan T]

Damn, just finished reading like 20 pages to get caught up. So Fouts was the avatar? :( That sucks for us. Is it possible that the avatar can be summoned by summoning him THEN waiting 3 days with no scans? I don't know if that's possible but it might make it so Blade called him if he (Blade) knew he was going to die anyways (which he might or might not of known).

Is the timeline different on the weekend? I see the night 5 deadline isn't til tonight so I don't need to force a vote out there til tomorrow, right?


Right, because its weekend and yesterday day time ended pretty late, we are having an extended night phase till late tonight. Then the day phase will likely be extended a bit as well until Monday I am guessing (I don't know, thats up to hoops).

Because its night time, most people are hesitant in doing alot to attract attention to them, so today likely will be pretty quiet. (Also alot of us are doing things today. I was planning on being out all day, but the rain/thunder storms changed my plans a bit. So now its watching kids movies with my daughter all day!)

Barkeep as for being entirely wrong about one of them, its probably true. I'm just trying to figure out how we can tie everything we know together and see where it points us.

I feel there are bad guys who knew yesterday Fouts was not a mummy (ie: head necromancer). We know that the head necromancer also must have known Cronin was good, and I still think he was a part of that move too. Why would he have used a silence spell on someone he wasn't wanting to make sure died?

We have the votes on Bek and Bullet to go with too, however that is a little more shaky I think. most people voted Bek because he wasn't around, and no one arguably could say they were voting him because they thought he was bad. Most people also however voted for bullet simply because Blade insisted on it (either based on him viewing Bullet or just his hunch) so that vote is rather unhelpful too. There was however a good pushing for Bullet the day before Blade came out against Bullet.. maybe thats somethin we can look at...

[Alan T]

Ok reading through day 2 vote, day 3 vote, and day 5 conversation, I think Im developing a pretty strong personal circle of trust...

Give me a few minutes and I'll post my thoughts.

[Alan T]

Because I know my role and you do not Alan.


After re-reading about 1500-1800 posts here, I am 85% sure I do know your role. I won't come out and say it, but I also know your confirmed circle of trust too i think. And now alot of what you said subtly on day 1 and 2 suddenly makes sense to me.

[Alan T]

Trusted:

1. Barkeep49 - Is good, I feel Blade cleared him.

4. path12 - I feel the pharoah started good. I see no reasons to feel that has changed now.

7. Dubb - I believe Blade cleared him as well. Has been I feel as upfront about what he has gotten information wise as he could be.

9. Saldana - I feel is good despite the turn on Cronin. From his conversation, I believe he has had some interaction with Barkeep (but not what I was refering to in my previous post about Barkeep's role)

21. Tanglewood - I believe him to be good, he wasnt even around to play a part in Cronin's silencing and after rereading some interactions with him, I feel he is to be trusted.

Mostly Trusted:

10. SnDvls - I feel Dubbs cleared him. Only small chance of deception would be if he was the dreamweaver

14. Qwikshot - Voted for Bek on a day when Cronin was on the line, Voted for Bullet instead of the easy out being Bek due to his inactivity. Stuck with Bullet without question even before Blade revealed to be a seer.

Some Trust:


15. Tyrith - Similar to Qwik, I feel Tyrith's voting pattern has not been the easy out votes to hide in, but instead took a chance with Bullet instead of Bek, did not vote for Cronin even when most people switched over.

20. Chubby - Small trust, not much only because he didnt jump on Cronin and what are the odds that -all- of the bad guys are new people?



Special honorary category:

11. Lathum - Its obvious that he is the prophecy. Is that good for us or bad? Probably bad for me now as he has an axe to grind with me personally. Looking back to other games with third party roles, such as the elementals game... most of the villagers came to the belief it was in their best interest to keep the elementals around.. in the end that definitly was not the case. He's killed our seer, lied to us almost non stop in the game, but to his benefit... at least he's not a necro


And.. that leaves:

3. Schmidty
5. Anxiety
19. Vince
22. Kingfc22

[Vince]

This post is going to assume that Lathum did in fact kill Blade.

Why in the hell does everyone keep holding that against him? Blade was being abrasive, in typical Blade fashion, and I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that no one knew he was the Mystic before Lathum killed him. I know it blew me completely out of the water -- I was a hairs breadth from voting for Blade anyways on that day. I think it's foolish to hold that against him. Not knowing what the extent of his powers are (and accounting for the fact that killing the person who summoned the avatar might very well kill the avatar), it also doesn't seem that farfetched to understand why he offed Fouts instead of himself. Wouldn't you guys rather someone else die than yourself, almost regardless of their role? Especially if your death might mean more than just your death?

Alan, your list is similar to mine, though I'd move Tanglewood down a few notches, and put me in a bit more of a trustworthy group (:)). Barkeep I have no reason to suspect other than his strange behavior lately, and I don't know why. I know he's been hinting at his role, but I haven't been able to pick up on it.

[Vince]

Oh, and Alan -- in the sake of full disclosure, I'm pretty sure I was also one of those who tried to validate Fouts' claim as an Avatar. I believe I mentioned that Blade might not have had to be alive the entire three days to finish summoning him, or something to that effect. It just seemed like a zero sum play for Lathum to come out so strongly for someone who seemed so obvious to be the Mummy, and Lathum is a better player than that.

[Lathum]

I didn't kill blade. I am after the bad guys. I think that should be obvious considering how hard I was trying to save fouts. Plus once Alant's true identidy is revealed if will become obvious I am after the bad guys. I just want to be alive when that happens.

[Vince]

I didn't kill blade. I am after the bad guys. I think that should be obvious considering how hard I was trying to save fouts. Plus once Alant's true identidy is revealed if will become obvious I am after the bad guys. I just want to be alive when that happens.

So you are to have us believe that Blade was killed by a 'disease?'

[dubb93]

I didn't kill blade. I am after the bad guys. I think that should be obvious considering how hard I was trying to save fouts. Plus once Alant's true identidy is revealed if will become obvious I am after the bad guys. I just want to be alive when that happens.

The way I see it, if you were really working for us you could have easily said, "Dubb, I'm the prophecy, don't scan me. It will not tell you anything. I'm being honest with you. I raised Fouts as an avatar." Because knowing my scan would do nothing on you and allowing me to go ahead with it, even encouraging me, is only another strike against you to me in the "whos side is Lathum on" game.

It's especially damning since the mystic was already dead and for all we knew, this was the last scan we would get the entire game. I may not vote for you, but I sure as hell ain't gonna follow your advice the rest of the game.

[Barkeep49]

The way I see it, if you were really working for us you could have easily said, "Dubb, I'm the prophecy, don't scan me. It will not tell you anything. I'm being honest with you. I raised Fouts as an avatar."

Amen.

[bulletsponge]

argh when is the night phase going to be over? im dying to see which one of you paranoid nuts gets whacked by the necros!

[Barkeep49]

Well my guess is that the night phase won't be over until sometime after midnight Central time.

[Abe Sargent]

Heehee

[stevew]

How do you possibly follow this.

[stevew]

Way too much going on for me, trying to read this.

[stevew]

dola, simply impossible.

[stevew]

Almost 3k posts and the game isn't even over yet.

[stevew]

That's a lot of work, definitely, i suspect swaggs of being a necromancer still.

[stevew]

I'll stop causing problems for now.

[Alan T]

That's a lot of work, definitely, i suspect swaggs of being a necromancer still.


Please don't edit your posts steve!

[stevew]

I spelled definitely wrong.

[Alan T]

Vote Stevew

[Swaggs]

Please stop causing problems.

[Barkeep49]

This is killing me. I thought for sure the results would be up when I woke up. Oh well.

[Chubby]

well I caught up from when i posted this morning, not that it's much to read :D I'm working from 1130am-730pm EST today (damn retail) but I'll be on after that and I'm off tomorrow WOOHOO so I'll be more active for trying to find the baddies tomorrow for sure.

[Alan T]

hoops spotted! gogogogo!

[hoopsguy]

Results to be posted shortly. Had some Internet issues late last night, but back up now.

[hoopsguy]

The rain and fog have remained steady for two nights now. How long will this infernal weather hover over your land? Are there consequences for killing an Avatar? No one rests easy on this night, but there is one among you who will never awaken. You find the body of Alan T outside the home of Vince, the victim of a savage attack. He was clutching a ceremonial dagger in his right hand.

Day 6 has begun.

[Alan T]

lol See, told you I would die tonight!

[Barkeep49]

Hmm. So Alan is bad. Does that make Vince good?

I think it might be time for a massive role reveal today.

[tanglewood]

8. AlanT - Necromancer, killed Night 5


So what does this say about:

1. Lathum telling everyone he knew Alan T was a necro. Did he kill him?

2. Does Vince have some special role that protects him against Necros? Is he the EG?

3. 5 nights and no Necro kills. Have the Necros just been incredibly unlucky in looking for each other? Or are they up to something else? Or have they been constantly blocked every night by chance?

[Barkeep49]

I think this is where the order of the kills is important. Did whoever acted to kill Alan act before or after the necros? If before we can guess that Alan was either attempting to kill Vince or was scouting him out as a necro.

[saldana]

i read it as, alan tried to attack vince and met the EG, who killed him....probably didnt have anything to do with vince, except he was the target, which effectively clears him.

[Qwikshot]

Sorry folks, I was invited to the Renaisance Fair and went to that...I'll spend hours reading up

[Abe Sargent]

Hmm. So Alan is bad. Does that make Vince good?

I think it might be time for a massive role reveal today.


You can't expect anyone to do something you are not willing to do yourself. Note, I'm not saying do a rr, I'm just saying don't push unless you are willing to give. :)

-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

I think this is where the order of the kills is important. Did whoever acted to kill Alan act before or after the necros? If before we can guess that Alan was either attempting to kill Vince or was scouting him out as a necro.


Here's what we have to go on:

Order of Actions:
1.) Pharaoh's Order
2.) Protection/Consecrate
3.) Invoke Item
4.) Pass Item
5.) Seer Scan/Search/'Lie Detector'
6.) Night Kill/Disease
7.) Treasure Hunt
8.) Detect Magic


-Anxiety

[Schmidty]

I'm very happy and very confused.

[Barkeep49]

You can't expect anyone to do something you are not willing to do yourself. Note, I'm not saying do a rr, I'm just saying don't push unless you are willing to give. :)

-Anxiety
Ok I'll give some:

I know with 100% certainty that Lathum is the Prophecy and with 90% certainty that he's a good guy.

[Abe Sargent]

How would you account for Blade's Death then?

-Anxiety

[Barkeep49]

How would you account for Blade's Death then?

-Anxiety
Blade.

[SnDvls]

I would say I'm pretty certain Path is good as he passed me the helmet yesterday.

[Barkeep49]

As another discussion question:

Presumably Alan didn't think he was going to get whacked last night, though he might have thought of himself as a lynch target today. What does that tell us about his list of trust? Clearly he's telling some truth, as I know I am good and am at the top of the list, but do we think he cleared any bad guys there? Or are all the bad guys int he unknown part?

[Barkeep49]

Of which, I will add, Vince was one of. The fact that Alan could equally have been spying on Vince and there to murder him makes me uneasy. Now presumably he was going to try and steer the discussion towards his unknowns which makes me think that it's more likely that he was there to spy on him, to find out if he was a necro or not, but I don't know.

[tanglewood]

Of which, I will add, Vince was one of. The fact that Alan could equally have been spying on Vince and there to murder him makes me uneasy. Now presumably he was going to try and steer the discussion towards his unknowns which makes me think that it's more likely that he was there to spy on him, to find out if he was a necro or not, but I don't know.

I think Alan has played enough WW to know that when you are a bad guy you need to mix up your suspicion lists. I'm pretty sure that only one or two of his trusted guys will be Necros and there will probably be one in his non-trusted pile too.

[tanglewood]

Dola

So, three Necros down, how many do we think are left? Two, three, maybe four?