Werewolf: Hunt for Necromancers - GAME OVER! Post #3469

[Qwikshot]

Blade, this is a big ]

Danger Will Robinson, Danger!!!

[Barkeep49]

So I haven't read Lathum's post yet as I am sitting in a public place at work, but I'm guessing he's not too big of a fan of Blade right now :)?

[Abe Sargent]

I am having some significant conn problems right now. Took me twenty minutes to bring up this thread. I'll put several thioughts into this one post and hope my connectivity clears up later.

I'm fine with the path order for the EG when there is a critical role revealed. Maybe the EG guarded the soothsayer last night and wanted to do so again last night but couldn't. It was a good guard.

The dagger does nothing and isn't a real item? Too bad we can't get hoopsguy to verify that for us, since it was a pm. What do you guys think about that "reveal" or passacaglia's logic as to why he said he had a real item?

It seems like everyone has a scarab. I wish I had one too.

Some of you are still making the assumption that there was just one Initiate. STOP THAT. If there are five Necromancers, and just three Nec roles, than either there are generic Necros, or multiple roles (ditto for four Necs). Which role is the least broken, least abusive? The Initiate one. Therefore, if there are duplicates, it's likely they are Initiates.

Since it also seems we have additional scarabs out there, no one can make any assumptions about any scarabs they possess.

-Anxiety

[Alan T]

Unvote Tangle
Vote Bullet

This statement stands for itself. I'll follow Blade's lead.


Qwik, out of curiosity, why are you following Blade's lead instead of some of the people who are more likely cleared at this time? I don't have any suspicions of Blade per say, but your actions feel a little more suspicious to me. Blindly following someone's lead is a pretty good way to have a cop out if you end up having bad results... ie: "I trusted blade, and went with his vote, wasn't my fault!"

Don't get me wrong, Blade is championing voting for the person who I am leaning towards again today. Im just curious why you picked blade over someone like Path, or Sndvls who there is a much more likely chance of them being good.

[Qwikshot]

"Auntie Em...It's a twister, It's a twister!!!"

[Alan T]

I am having some significant conn problems right now. Took me twenty minutes to bring up this thread. I'll put several thioughts into this one post and hope my connectivity clears up later.

I'm fine with the path order for the EG when there is a critical role revealed. Maybe the EG guarded the soothsayer last night and wanted to do so again last night but couldn't. It was a good guard.

The dagger does nothing and isn't a real item? Too bad we can't get hoopsguy to verify that for us, since it was a pm. What do you guys think about that "reveal" or passacaglia's logic as to why he said he had a real item?

It seems like everyone has a scarab. I wish I had one too.

Some of you are still making the assumption that there was just one Initiate. STOP THAT. If there are five Necromancers, and just three Nec roles, than either there are generic Necros, or multiple roles (ditto for four Necs). Which role is the least broken, least abusive? The Initiate one. Therefore, if there are duplicates, it's likely they are Initiates.

Since it also seems we have additional scarabs out there, no one can make any assumptions about any scarabs they possess.

-Anxiety


The board was really slow for me too for a while. but it appears to have cleared up for me now

[Qwikshot]

Qwik, out of curiosity, why are you following Blade's lead instead of some of the people who are more likely cleared at this time? I don't have any suspicions of Blade per say, but your actions feel a little more suspicious to me. Blindly following someone's lead is a pretty good way to have a cop out if you end up having bad results... ie: "I trusted blade, and went with his vote, wasn't my fault!"

Don't get me wrong, Blade is championing voting for the person who I am leaning towards again today. Im just curious why you picked blade over someone like Path, or Sndvls who there is a much more likely chance of them being good.


To build a circle of trust, you have to earn a circle of trust...

Now you cast me as neutral in your list...so how am I to prove myself, even though I voted for Bek twice...and really it's not much of a deviation because I voted for bullet yesterday...but I have a good feeling that blade is good.

Now if he's wrong, then I was wrong...and we're back to square one...so unless I can pull some baddies out of my hat, I have to go with some leads and blade's as good as any, unless someone has a better theory...

[Barkeep49]

I had some usefull information but I'll just keep it to myself and let all the "vets" and "master strategists" win the game for us.


Well I've always considered you a vet. Perhaps you could share the info with the rest of us and we'll all promise not to tell Blade :D?

[saldana]

....wow we need to chill out.
no, i think lathum has a bit of a point, and if you knew him as well as i do, you would know how much it takes to actually get him angry enough to post like that....in the past page, blade has basically said that lathum and bek suck, whoever is the seer is dumb if that is who they scanned, and path isnt competent enough to use the powers of his role with out Blade's supervision.

considering what lathum did last game, if i were the seer, he would be at the top of my list of people to worry about...its just the fact that he doesnt post as much as others that he doesnt get as much attention, but if you look at the games he has been a power player in, he usually does extremely well.

[Barkeep49]

With all the board problems I must have missed it: Did someone else also claim to have a scarab?

[Qwikshot]

"come on people now...smile on your brothers (except baddies) and try to love another right now (except baddies who should be lynched)..."

[Qwikshot]

With all the board problems I must have missed it: Did someone else also claim to have a scarab?

pharoah path did

[Barkeep49]

Ahh. So that's very interesting indeed. Path what are your current plans?

Clearly the idea that there was more than 1 initiate seems to have been well founded.

[SnDvls]

Hell, I've been crapped on all over this game am I a vet yet? :D

[Coffee Warlord]

"come on people now...smile on your brothers (except baddies) and try to love another right now (except baddies who should be lynched)..."

If you get that song in my head I am so gonna lynch your ass. :)

[SnDvls]

Ahh. So that's very interesting indeed. Path what are your current plans?

Clearly the idea that there was more than 1 initiate seems to have been well founded.


it sounded like path used it in his post. saying it gave off a green glow.

[Qwikshot]

Hell, I've been crapped on all over this game am I a vet yet? :D

awww sun you are a vet to me....for me to POOP on!!!:D

[st.cronin]

Tom Brady doesn't lose his cool when Peyton Manning brags about his qb rating.

[Qwikshot]

If you get that song in my head I am so gonna lynch your ass. :)


"Don't worry...be happy, be happy now....!"

[Blade6119]

no, i think lathum has a bit of a point, and if you knew him as well as i do, you would know how much it takes to actually get him angry enough to post like that....in the past page, blade has basically said that lathum and bek suck, whoever is the seer is dumb if that is who they scanned, and path isnt competent enough to use the powers of his role with out Blade's supervision.

considering what lathum did last game, if i were the seer, he would be at the top of my list of people to worry about...its just the fact that he doesnt post as much as others that he doesnt get as much attention, but if you look at the games he has been a power player in, he usually does extremely well.
Did not like 10 other people ask why would other necros scan bek when i stated i thought they found him? And with path, i think its an extension of the problem. I think the EG is competent enough to do his role, and path doesnt think so. So the problem has to come in me not calling lathum a vet, which is where i think i used the wrong word. What i meant was there was merely the group that usually talks more and is more active. Hoops, Barkeep, Alan, Cronin, etc. that is generally grouped together and a group of quiet players who are usually grouped together(by me, maybe not by others).

Bek and Lathum fall into the quiet category. I mispoke on the word vet, but not my meaning behind the post. If lathum hates me, thats all good. Ive had many people hate me, and it hasnt affected me one bit. Heck, i actually seem to get along with them down the road once we better understand eachother(like with schmidty).

My vote is on bullet, i think as of now its the right move. If lathum wants to play and help the team, he can do so. Im happy with where im at and what has transpired to date.

[Alan T]

Ahh. So that's very interesting indeed. Path what are your current plans?

Clearly the idea that there was more than 1 initiate seems to have been well founded.


Path said he had one at the start of the game I think.

Not one from last night at least. Which is weird considering the only two roles that I know of that could hand those out couldnt until last night.

So My guess is path got one to start the game as pharoah

[Barkeep49]

Can I get a post # for path's scarab thing?

[Blade6119]

So I haven't read Lathum's post yet as I am sitting in a public place at work, but I'm guessing he's not too big of a fan of Blade right now :)?
Just think about what schmidty used to say, qwik said a 2 games back, or fozzie said in the ninja? game. Its all the same really, same story different person i offend.

[Alan T]

Keep in mind, I still have the helmet and I can only keep one object at a time, so for me to get the knife I would need to pass/use the helmet.

As a matter of fact, this would be a good time after Barkeep's revelation to say that I had a scarab to start with. I used it when I got the helmet. There was no obvious effect besides a green light that washed over me.


Barkeep it was post 1481

[path12]

Path said he had one at the start of the game I think.

Not one from last night at least. Which is weird considering the only two roles that I know of that could hand those out couldnt until last night.

So My guess is path got one to start the game as pharoah

This is correct. I had one to start the game. When I got the helmet I was told I could only hold one object at a time, so would have to either pass or use the scarab or helmet.

I didn't have anyone that I could definitively say was good at that point to pass it off to, and have no idea who the enchanter or whatever he's called is, so I decided to use the scarab. A green light washed over me but there was no apparent effect.

[path12]

And with path, i think its an extension of the problem. I think the EG is competent enough to do his role, and path doesnt think so.

That is a gross mischaracterization of what I said. But whatever....it's not worth arguing about.

[saldana]

it only makes sense that path had to have his scarab at the start of the game, since last night was the first night anyone would have had to get one from the enchanter or initiate.


qwik, i agree with you that there could be another initiate, but if there is and he made a scarab, why hasnt anyone else come out and said they got one? especially since BK already said he got one....if i got one the day after an initiate got killed, i would assume it was from the enchanter if it was the only one...if another person got one, he should say something so we can try and find a way to figure out which one is cursed.

[Blade6119]

That is a gross mischaracterization of what I said. But whatever....it's not worth arguing about.
You said what if its tangle whos the EG...what does that mean then, as maybe i misunderstood it but i took it as you were saying tangle couldnt manage to get his actions in.

[Qwikshot]

That is a gross mischaracterization of what I said. But whatever....it's not worth arguing about.

Blade, don't go pissing off the pharoah, he is a god after all...:D

[Blade6119]

it only makes sense that path had to have his scarab at the start of the game, since last night was the first night anyone would have had to get one from the enchanter or initiate.


qwik, i agree with you that there could be another initiate, but if there is and he made a scarab, why hasnt anyone else come out and said they got one? especially since BK already said he got one....if i got one the day after an initiate got killed, i would assume it was from the enchanter if it was the only one...if another person got one, he should say something so we can try and find a way to figure out which one is cursed.
Saldana, how could they pass last night? I thought they couldnt even craft until last night, so are we to believe they can craft and pass on the same evening?

[saldana]

That is a gross mischaracterization of what I said. But whatever....it's not worth arguing about.


path, i would just let it alone at this point...its obvious that the "new and improved blade" that was advertised last game is gone and we have gone back to the same old shit.

[saldana]

Saldana, how could they pass last night? I thought they couldnt even craft until last night, so are we to believe they can craft and pass on the same evening?


if they couldnt, then where did it come from? or are you calling barkeeps reveal about receiving a fake?

[saldana]

i'm leaving for work, be back on around 6

[Blade6119]

if they couldnt, then where did it come from? or are you calling barkeeps reveal about receiving a fake?
I tend to trust barkeep, so thats where im having trouble. I just didnt think in my head they could craft and pass in the same night, so the logic was breaking down for me. I dont know what happened, but im not ready to call barkeep's reveal fake like i have pass's attack story.

[Qwikshot]

it only makes sense that path had to have his scarab at the start of the game, since last night was the first night anyone would have had to get one from the enchanter or initiate.


qwik, i agree with you that there could be another initiate, but if there is and he made a scarab, why hasnt anyone else come out and said they got one? especially since BK already said he got one....if i got one the day after an initiate got killed, i would assume it was from the enchanter if it was the only one...if another person got one, he should say something so we can try and find a way to figure out which one is cursed.

What if Cronin /found/ the scarab...what if it wasn't formed by any of us but was just found in-game...that to me seems like a possibility.

Also green doesn't seem very evil a color, so I'm guessing it's not cursed.

I really think the baddies are still splintered, and one without his dagger, HA-HA!

It reeks of desperation...

But I do believe there are several out there meant to do harm...

[path12]

You said what if its tangle whos the EG...what does that mean then, as maybe i misunderstood it but i took it as you were saying tangle couldnt manage to get his actions in.

It means what if the person who is the EG is away from the game for one reason or another? Everyone has things that come up in real life. Since I have no idea who the EG is, how am I to know if they're one of the people who is around and paying attention? It's not a reflection on the EG by any means or that I think someone isn't competent enough to make a call -- it's trying to play the game to the best of my ability for the good of the Egyptians.

So if you want to question my ability, that's fine -- I question my ability. But don't say that I was questioning anybody elses.

[SnDvls]

awww sun you are a vet to me....for me to POOP on!!!:D


Thanks for the online ego stroke qwik :)

[SnDvls]

This is correct. I had one to start the game. When I got the helmet I was told I could only hold one object at a time, so would have to either pass or use the scarab or helmet.

I didn't have anyone that I could definitively say was good at that point to pass it off to, and have no idea who the enchanter or whatever he's called is, so I decided to use the scarab. A green light washed over me but there was no apparent effect.

my guess is that is what protected you last night then.

[path12]

my guess is that is what protected you last night then.

I figure it's either that or just one attacker and I got lucky.

[SnDvls]

path did anyone get into your room during the attack?

[path12]

What if Cronin /found/ the scarab...what if it wasn't formed by any of us but was just found in-game...that to me seems like a possibility.

Also green doesn't seem very evil a color, so I'm guessing it's not cursed.



Cronin didn't find mine -- I had it from the start.

[Blade6119]

So if you want to question my ability, that's fine -- I question my ability. But don't say that I was questioning anybody elses.
The funny thing there, i havent questioned anyones ability this game. I have questioned stories, ideas, and roles. I have also mispoken once describing lathum and bek(a friend of mine, so i know for a fact i wasnt trashing the two of them). I question your decision to order the EG, but not your ability as a player. Im not very tactful with my comments, so people often take things far worse then they really are. Such is though

[stevew]

Interesting.

[path12]

path did anyone get into your room during the attack?

There's no description of where I was when attacked, just that I was startled and out of the corner of my eye I saw the necromancer with dagger raised.

[bulletsponge]

If lathum wants to play and help the team, he can do so. Im happy with where im at and what has transpired to date.


and if he doesnt help your "team" is his head next in the neuce? and of course your happy where you are, nobody seems to suspect you, the happiest place a necro could be.

i for one have Lathum high on my trust list, but Blade and his subtle bully tactics leave me suspicious of him

[SnDvls]

I was attacked last night. Luckily, I appear to have had some combat training and was able to parry the blow while screaming for my guards. He blinded me momentarily as I was reaching for his hood, so I didn't get a look at who it was before he escaped.

well going off this post and the rules (scarab of protection) I would say path had a cursed scarab. The scarab of protection doesn't let an attacker into your room. so if a seer had looked at path (good or bad) they would have gotten a bad read.

[SnDvls]

Although the infernal storms have not abated, the weather is not as downright miserable as it was the last two nights. It seems that the Egyptians have fallen into a comfortable night routine while awaiting the start of the next day and the countdown to the sacrifice. On this night, however, a call is sent up from the Pharaoh's quarters! Everyone gathers outside as order is restored. A quick head count reveals that everyone is still here! Praise to Osiris!

Day 4 has begun.

dola - leads me to believe he was in his room as well

[Blade6119]

and if he doesnt help your "team" is his head next in the neuce? and of course your happy where you are, nobody seems to suspect you, the happiest place a necro could be.

i for one have Lathum high on my trust list, but Blade and his subtle bully tactics leave me suspicious of him
Your my vote and my top suspect for everything but how much you have posted/contributed. I think you played a part in saving bek, i think you might have scanned lathum as a necro, and you have made some comments that have just thrown up some red flags. Any one of them by themselves wouldnt be enough, but put them together and they seem to point to something for me.

As for lathum, i honestly have no read on him. Hes not going to be my vote as i havent seen him do anything suspicious yet. For all the trash people talk about me(ironically for talking trash about other people...funny how that works out), i keep my votes about the game. Your my top game suspect, and that reflects in no way on your game. I think, if your bad, you have played a great game. I just have a gut feeling about you, and would like to see it tested.

[bulletsponge]

Your my top game suspect, and that reflects in no way on your game. I think, if your bad, you have played a great game. I just have a gut feeling about you, and would like to see it tested

actually if im bad and i get hanged tonight that would indicate that i dint play a good game

[bulletsponge]

Didnt*

[Lathum]

and in typical blade fashion he comes back with "I should have chose different words." The bottom line is you are an arrogant little prick and it obviously comes through in the way you word the things you say. I'm surprised you aren't killed night one every game. I know if I was a baddie I would want you and your amazing werewolf skills out ASAP. Well let me ask you this Mr. I'm-the-greatest-werewolf-player-ever. Who would you have scanned the first night?

[Blade6119]

actually if im bad and i get hanged tonight that would indicate that i dint play a good game
Not at all, WW is a game of breaks and chances. One comment here or there and this would be a totally different game. I mean, i think dubb was going to tie-break off of bek if bek had showed up and voted. That would have utterly changed the game. Dying in this game is usually just a bad break, good or bad. Someone got lucky, someone hit with a role. Good or bad games are decided in how you handle the time you have(so as you can see some people think im terrible :) )

[path12]

well going off this post and the rules (scarab of protection) I would say path had a cursed scarab. The scarab of protection doesn't let an attacker into your room. so if a seer had looked at path (good or bad) they would have gotten a bad read.

Or it could have been one of the unidentified items. If it's cursed, better I use it than anyone else with my role. But it seems unlikely that I would have a cursed scarab to start with since I have no indications of evil with my role.

[dubb93]

Not Dubb, as his role is almost all used up if not entirely. I would go after someone i felt was hinting at a more powerful egyptian role, be it EG or mystic or whatever. I dont know who they are, but dubb would not have been my choice.

Actually smart guy, assuming I'm alive tomorrow I get another use. As such, I'd like to ask Barkeep not to use his item, since in the off chance it is cursed I have no clue what it could end up doing to my scan.

The problem for me is not you guarded dubb, its that i thought we had all agreed you would do night 1 only, and yet here you are. Maybe im mistaken, so feel free to ignore me.

As I told Chubby yesterday. This isn't your role so don't fucking worry about it. I trust Path, as do many others. If he wants to use his role he can fucking use it. I don't think he needs to ask you for permission.

If this has been covered, sorry, but this is all the further I am in the reading right now.

[Blade6119]

and in typical blade fashion he comes back with "I should have chose different words." The bottom line is you are an arrogant little prick and it obviously comes through in the way you word the things you say. I'm surprised you aren't killed night one every game. I know if I was a baddie I would want you and your amazing werewolf skills out ASAP. Well let me ask you this Mr. I'm-the-greatest-werewolf-player-ever. Who would you have scanned the first night?
Barkeep or Dubb. They are the two players i usually fail to get a read on. As Alan T so beautifully revealed on of my major weaknesses in the ninja game, merely supporting me or agreeing with me earns my trust. Talking and playing with me is all it takes really, so since barkeep and dubb usually will go through ideas with me i tend to trust them. Therefore, for me they make the best scans as they are the toughest people for me to read, and for me that means the biggest threats to me(normally it would be hoops, but he is not playing due to his mod duties)

[SnDvls]

Or it could have been one of the unidentified items. If it's cursed, better I use it than anyone else with my role. But it seems unlikely that I would have a cursed scarab to start with since I have no indications of evil with my role.


actually it makes perfect sense with your role.

give him a powerful public role that everyone openly questions good/bad
then give him an item that will give the seer(s) both good & bad a bad read on.

Put in some doubt if you get scanned, then a vote out of power and a possible overthrow.

[Blade6119]

As I told Chubby yesterday. This isn't your role so don't fucking worry about it. I trust Path, as do many others. If he wants to use his role he can fucking use it. I don't think he needs to ask you for permission.
He doesnt at all, but i dont trust him. Therefore, him controlling every night where our bodyguard is protecting is a major issue for me. I dont distrust him, but hes not clear to me. On the off chance he is bad, id prefer he not be able to manipulate prob. our biggest weapon. Hes going to do whatever he wants regardless of what you or i say, but i have the right to voice my concerns over our bodyguard being manipulated.

[SnDvls]

dola - I still think you started out good

[Qwikshot]

dola - I still think you started out good

Who we talking about? Darth Vader?

[Tyrith]

Um....okay....that's an interesting series of posts. All I have to say about certain players is that there are times when you are better off apologizing and better off being quiet about something. Let's all try to be friendly, alright? :)

I have nothing to report from night three actions.

As I posted last night, bullet was in a prime position to be the culprit for day two. My gut instinct towards him feels worse than for anyone else right now. If we don't come up with anything else that's probably the way my vote is going to go.

Side note that I thought of -- the person that silenced cronin almost had to have searched cronin and not bek night one. It already looked like we were going to kill cronin, why waste a silence on him...unless you knew he was out of the house that night and you didn't want him revealing EG. The odds that cronin had an important role are otherwise pretty slim so why waste an important spell when you don't have to? Only reason I see to is if you fear not being alive come day five, which is certainly possible but this game is so slow (we're looking at ten days unless we hit a remarkable spree of lynches and assassin kills) that it seems excessive. Throw all this out the window if you think the head necro wasn't thinking this much.

[Qwikshot]

Um....okay....that's an interesting series of posts. All I have to say about certain players is that there are times when you are better off apologizing and better off being quiet about something. Let's all try to be friendly, alright? :)

I have nothing to report from night three actions.

As I posted last night, bullet was in a prime position to be the culprit for day two. My gut instinct towards him feels worse than for anyone else right now. If we don't come up with anything else that's probably the way my vote is going to go.

Side note that I thought of -- the person that silenced cronin almost had to have searched cronin and not bek night one. It already looked like we were going to kill cronin, why waste a silence on him...unless you knew he was out of the house that night and you didn't want him revealing EG. The odds that cronin had an important role are otherwise pretty slim so why waste an important spell when you don't have to? Only reason I see to is if you fear not being alive come day five, which is certainly possible but this game is so slow (we're looking at ten days unless we hit a remarkable spree of lynches and assassin kills) that it seems excessive. Throw all this out the window if you think the head necro wasn't thinking this much.

Best Cartman imitation..."I hate you guys...you guys suck...especially you Tyrinth":D

[SnDvls]

Who we talking about? Darth Vader?

ya didn't you hear

**SPOILER ALERT*****



















he's really Annikin Skywalker (sp?)


I'm talking about Path....stupid dola breakers

[dubb93]

He doesnt at all, but i dont trust him. Therefore, him controlling every night where our bodyguard is protecting is a major issue for me. I dont distrust him, but hes not clear to me. On the off chance he is bad, id prefer he not be able to manipulate prob. our biggest weapon. Hes going to do whatever he wants regardless of what you or i say, but i have the right to voice my concerns over our bodyguard being manipulated.

If he really ordered me protected last night he's 100 percent good. B/C I really don't see a nec ordering me protected 2 days b/f I'm able to do a scan.

[Blade6119]

Um....okay....that's an interesting series of posts. All I have to say about certain players is that there are times when you are better off apologizing and better off being quiet about something. Let's all try to be friendly, alright? :)

I have nothing to report from night three actions.

As I posted last night, bullet was in a prime position to be the culprit for day two. My gut instinct towards him feels worse than for anyone else right now. If we don't come up with anything else that's probably the way my vote is going to go.

Side note that I thought of -- the person that silenced cronin almost had to have searched cronin and not bek night one. It already looked like we were going to kill cronin, why waste a silence on him...unless you knew he was out of the house that night and you didn't want him revealing EG. The odds that cronin had an important role are otherwise pretty slim so why waste an important spell when you don't have to? Only reason I see to is if you fear not being alive come day five, which is certainly possible but this game is so slow (we're looking at ten days unless we hit a remarkable spree of lynches and assassin kills) that it seems excessive. Throw all this out the window if you think the head necro wasn't thinking this much.
What if cronin was just a random byproduct to save bek. He made a comment they could pounce on? I think they were saving bek, not killing cronin. I might be wrong though, but bullet is my choice.

And to note, his response using lathums problems with me as part of his defense made me all bust certain hes a bad guy. It was just such a wolf move. I will not swap my vote off of bullet today

[Tyrith]

The name is Anakin!

[dubb93]

I mean, i think dubb was going to tie-break off of bek if bek had showed up and voted. That would have utterly changed the game.

This was said yesterday too. I had absolutely no intention of voting anyone except you or Chubby yesterday. Where did I say I was going to tie-break off of Bek? I happen to trust Path to make decisions in the event of a tie.

[SnDvls]

What if cronin was just a random byproduct to save bek. He made a comment they could pounce on? I think they were saving bek, not killing cronin. I might be wrong though, but bullet is my choice.

And to note, his response using lathums problems with me as part of his defense made me all bust certain hes a bad guy. It was just such a wolf move. I will not swap my vote off of bullet today

what are the chances they even knew bek was bad? You think us assuming path is good is a reach this is even further out there.

I think bullet is being thrown under the bus for his vote on path yesterday.

[Blade6119]

If he really ordered me protected last night he's 100 percent good. B/C I really don't see a nec ordering me protected 2 days b/f I'm able to do a scan.
Thats my problem...while you might have made an enticing target(obviously not enough of one, as they attacked path, i think there are more enticing targets out there the bodyguard should have been protecting. Be it Path himself, or the EG himself, or the mystic. No offense, but the soothsayer is not as powerful as those 3 roles in my mind, so i think the bodyguard should have been elsewhere. Thats not a knock on you and what you might do with your other scan, im just not sure path truly is handicapping our EG with the groups best interests really in mind.

[Blade6119]

what are the chances they even knew bek was bad? You think us assuming path is good is a reach this is even further out there.

I think bullet is being thrown under the bus for his vote on path yesterday.
Well 5 guys could have scanned, so any of the 5 hit on bek or bek on them and that would be enough. Im making a leap in my head just like you guys are with path. But why is it so hard to believe they knew bek was bad?

[Tyrith]

What if cronin was just a random byproduct to save bek. He made a comment they could pounce on? I think they were saving bek, not killing cronin. I might be wrong though, but bullet is my choice.

And to note, his response using lathums problems with me as part of his defense made me all bust certain hes a bad guy. It was just such a wolf move. I will not swap my vote off of bullet today

Hrm. Now I have to go back and look at the time stamps on Day 2....yeah, okay. Vince and tangle's dogpile votes came later than I thought they did; the silence order would already had to have been given. Scratch that idea, then.

[Blade6119]

This was said yesterday too. I had absolutely no intention of voting anyone except you or Chubby yesterday. Where did I say I was going to tie-break off of Bek? I happen to trust Path to make decisions in the event of a tie.
I was going off of the comment yesterday. Not sure who said it, and if im wrong i apologize.

[path12]

i think there are more enticing targets out there the bodyguard should have been protecting. Be it Path himself, or the EG himself, or the mystic.

I would be happy to guard the EG or the mystic if I knew who they were. (BTW, I'M NOT ASKING FOR A REVEAL!!!) Whether or not either I or the EG is guarding me is our business only. The only good role that is known (besides mine which I can understand isn't spelled out to everyone) is Dubbs. So it made sense to me to make sure that the only known good was covered.

[Tyrith]

Thats my problem...while you might have made an enticing target(obviously not enough of one, as they attacked path, i think there are more enticing targets out there the bodyguard should have been protecting. Be it Path himself, or the EG himself, or the mystic. No offense, but the soothsayer is not as powerful as those 3 roles in my mind, so i think the bodyguard should have been elsewhere. Thats not a knock on you and what you might do with your other scan, im just not sure path truly is handicapping our EG with the groups best interests really in mind.

But besides path we don't know who any of those people are. An effective one in six shot at the seer/BG (four or five bad guys, couple of known roles) against a commonly accepted good player with a relevant ability? Expected value makes a good case for killing and defending dubb. Furthermore, you won't seem to come off the path is bad jog. Okay, we get it, he might be bad, we're thinking about it at this point. We also consider that YOU might be bad and are trying to bark us up the wrong tree, which is something I consider far more likely. We also have to consider the fact that path got attacked last night, which is usually a pretty good sign that the player is good, although not perfect in this case. It's all circumstancial, but it's a lot of indicators.

[SnDvls]

Well 5 guys could have scanned, so any of the 5 hit on bek or bek on them and that would be enough. Im making a leap in my head just like you guys are with path. But why is it so hard to believe they knew bek was bad?


you just stated he wouldn't be a first scan if you were the seer. why would he be a first or second day scan if you were a necro? an inactive player who hasn't played in many games with you and you would scan him #1 or #2? You also have to factor in that I'm sure some necros cross scanned the same player either on the same night or back to back nights.

[Blade6119]

especially if you consider that this early in the game, until circles form up, the EG will likely protect the same players that the necrophiliacs would target (blade, barkeep, dubb, etc)
Saldana, one of the people trashing me, stated this. Its the basis for what i said about lathum and bek. Its not a knock on their play styles, just that certain players seem to be targeted in the early going.

[Tyrith]

Well 5 guys could have scanned, so any of the 5 hit on bek or bek on them and that would be enough. Im making a leap in my head just like you guys are with path. But why is it so hard to believe they knew bek was bad?

We could possible be facing a situation where we had one bad guy who knew bek was bad and one who knew cronin was good. With five baddies the odds of bek being found or bek finding a connection aren't impossible, and cronin was bound to be near the top in any search list. If this is the case the swing towards cronin and the silence on him could be two uncoordinated events and a lot of the logic I've been spewing goes out the window. I don't think this scenario is terribly likely but it's certainly possible.

[SnDvls]

hey wait....isn't it day 4...congrats Alan you made it!!!! :D

[Blade6119]

you just stated he wouldn't be a first scan if you were the seer. why would he be a first or second day scan if you were a necro? an inactive player who hasn't played in many games with you and you would scan him #1 or #2? You also have to factor in that I'm sure some necros cross scanned the same player either on the same night or back to back nights.
Its been said repeatedly im a elitist ass, and everyone else seems to think they are completely unjudging of other players. So adding that im the only one that would scan based on my opinion of threat levels and that bullet is a brand new players, i think its likely. I mean, if everyone else sees everyone on a level playing field, why wouldnt he be a good night 1 scan? :)

[path12]

hey wait....isn't it day 4...congrats Alan you made it!!!! :D

That's two games in a row, isn't it?

[Tyrith]

Lathum would have been pretty high up on my list considering the way the last couple of games have gone. He's lived 13 days in the last two games out of 14 total, which is a mark only matched by me, saldana, barkeep, and beaten by schmidty. He held two important roles and performed quite well both times, and while he might not have the blade/barkeep/hoops/cronin post count he isn't silent and he speaks his mind. I wasn't surprised at all by that scan.

[Qwikshot]

The name is Anakin!

Jar Jar? Is that you?

[Blade6119]

I would be happy to guard the EG or the mystic if I knew who they were. (BTW, I'M NOT ASKING FOR A REVEAL!!!) Whether or not either I or the EG is guarding me is our business only. The only good role that is known (besides mine which I can understand isn't spelled out to everyone) is Dubbs. So it made sense to me to make sure that the only known good was covered.
As a bad guy, i wouldnt go for the soothsayer...i would take my chances and go after the mystic or EG if i had a friend. Most likely wont hit it, but the reward is too great. Everyday they dont go after the mystic they come that much closer to being discovered. Its risk/reward, and we obviously have different ideas on the subject.

[Alan T]

hey wait....isn't it day 4...congrats Alan you made it!!!! :D



Shhh! I'm laying low!

I actually thought about volunteering to Hoops to play a part that gets added on day 3, just so I would be gurantueed to be around till day 6, but decided not to :)

[Tyrith]

you just stated he wouldn't be a first scan if you were the seer. why would he be a first or second day scan if you were a necro? an inactive player who hasn't played in many games with you and you would scan him #1 or #2? You also have to factor in that I'm sure some necros cross scanned the same player either on the same night or back to back nights.

I've thought about this and what I figured is that you would scan him just to see if you cared to struggle against his lynching at all. Bek was bound to be a hot name for the votes for the next couple of days and maybe one of the bad guys wanted to know if it was important to try to stop it. Not how I would have played it but it makes sense in its own way.

[SnDvls]

Its been said repeatedly im a elitist ass, and everyone else seems to think they are completely unjudging of other players. So adding that im the only one that would scan based on my opinion of threat levels and that bullet is a brand new players, i think its likely. I mean, if everyone else sees everyone on a level playing field, why wouldnt he be a good night 1 scan? :)

I think everyone has a general assumption going into each game.

this one all the baddies were blind of eachother. would you likely scan a newer player in an attempt to see if they were on your side or would you scan a "more experienced" player in your mind to see if they were with you or against you?

I think in most cases if I started our as bad I'm looking at the "more experienced" players first so I have a read on them ASAP. If you are saying you'd scan bek first as a necro I guess you are a better player than I. I just don't see anyone doing that on night 1 or 2...nigth 3 after two uncessful finds...maybe.

[Qwikshot]

day1 day 2 day 3
AlanT anxiety cronin bullet
Anxiety cronin cronin bek
barkeep swaggs cronin bek
bek swaggs chubby
bulletspon cronin saldana
blade swaggs tangle tangle
coffee vince sun saldana
cronin schmidty schmidty
chubby cronin bek bek
dubb saldana cronin chubby
king ty sun saldana
lathum tangle chubby chubby
qwik bek bek bullet
pass barkeep tangle barkeep
path swaggs bek bullet
saldana swaggs cronin chubby
schmidt cronin cronin bek
sun bek bek bek
swaggs bek
tangle cronin bullet
ty swaggs bek bullet
vince bek cronin bek

[Qwikshot]

Oh, that looks ugly...lemme see if I can post again...

[st.cronin]

I'm dying to find out who silenced me. When I find out, that person will forever be my Day 1 vote in every werewolf game we both play in.

[Blade6119]

I think everyone has a general assumption going into each game.

this one all the baddies were blind of eachother. would you likely scan a newer player in an attempt to see if they were on your side or would you scan a "more experienced" player in your mind to see if they were with you or against you?

I think in most cases if I started our as bad I'm looking at the "more experienced" players first so I have a read on them ASAP. If you are saying you'd scan bek first as a necro I guess you are a better player than I. I just don't see anyone doing that on night 1 or 2...nigth 3 after two uncessful finds...maybe.
I wouldnt, but i group talkative/quiet instead of experienced/inexperienced...lathum falls into the quiet group, and therefore for me would not be a priority scan. Its what i was saying that pissed lathum off, but such is. I could see a new player like bullet making the move though, as he would have no prior knowledge to not or to scan bek

[Tyrith]

As a bad guy, i wouldnt go for the soothsayer...i would take my chances and go after the mystic or EG if i had a friend. Most likely wont hit it, but the reward is too great. Everyday they dont go after the mystic they come that much closer to being discovered. Its risk/reward, and we obviously have different ideas on the subject.

There is also a degree of reverse psychology involved. I think it would have been rather unlikely that dubb would have been attacked last night because of the risk of the bodyguard, so the bad guys will hunt elsewhere, so the bodyguard so should elsewhere. The problem is, where does the EG go when you have to choose between about 15 nearly equally valid choices? But bodyguard games are something that are highly underrated in WW; hoops did an incredibly good job last game with that and lathum caught me once the game before. To a large degree we're better off shutting up about it now so they bad guys can't get anymore clues.

[SnDvls]

As a bad guy, i wouldnt go for the soothsayer...i would take my chances and go after the mystic or EG if i had a friend. Most likely wont hit it, but the reward is too great. Everyday they dont go after the mystic they come that much closer to being discovered. Its risk/reward, and we obviously have different ideas on the subject.

there's also the risk of killing a fellow necro. instead of a 70-90% good guy. why not wack a good guy?

[Lathum]

Saldana, one of the people trashing me, stated this. Its the basis for what i said about lathum and bek. Its not a knock on their play styles, just that certain players seem to be targeted in the early going.
"likely" and "should" are 2 different things.

[Blade6119]

there's also the risk of killing a fellow necro. instead of a 70-90% good guy. why not wack a good guy?
There is also a chance to discover an ally, while for all they know dubb was bad.

Dubb has a nuetral role, and i understand he cleared you, but i dont see 70-90...i see 50-50...but im in the minority i understand

[Lathum]

I'm dying to find out who silenced me. When I find out, that person will forever be my Day 1 vote in every werewolf game we both play in.
I KNOW I KNOW, it was....

[Tyrith]

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7505/werewolf282af.jpg

[Lathum]

dola-
the above is a joke on St. Cronin and has no impact on the game.

[Blade6119]

"likely" and "should" are 2 different things.
"Knowing tom, tom should guard katie" and "knowing tom, tom will likely guard katie" are the same thing. All just wording, which is of little importance. Sorry i hurt your ego, but my point is mine, like it or not. Im not going to sit here and stroke your ego while you just spent the last 2 hours using every curse word in the book to describe me. Im playing the game, you can feel free to join me or not.

[Qwikshot]

I KNOW I KNOW, it was....
...the butler

[SnDvls]

There is also a chance to discover an ally, while for all they know dubb was bad.

Dubb has a nuetral role, and i understand he cleared you, but i dont see 70-90...i see 50-50...but im in the minority i understand


now you are talking about two different things.

they can either attack or scan not both so which is it?

[st.cronin]

I KNOW I KNOW, it was....


lol

This game has been fun, even getting lynched early.

[Barkeep49]

Dubb: I see only ill coming to me if I agree to hold off using my scarab.

[Blade6119]

now you are talking about two different things.

they can either attack or scan not both so which is it?
- if they attack another necromancer, there is a 25% chance that one dies before they identify each other as necromancers
To me that means attacking a fellow necro gives a 75% chance they merely discover each other. Am i mistaken?

[dubb93]

Dubb: I see only ill coming to me if I agree to hold off using my scarab.

Pass it on then. Give it to Path or Sun or Lathum. Don't freakin use it, I'm doing a scan tomorrow if I make it.

[Blade6119]

Pass it on then. Give it to Path or Sun or Lathum. Don't freakin use it, I'm doing a scan tomorrow if I make it.
Let me know what you want me to say, as id love to have someone off my back.

[Qwikshot]

To me that means attacking a fellow necro gives a 75% chance they merely discover each other. Am i mistaken?

I could be wrong on this, but I believe that it's an either/or decision...so if they commit to kill someone regardless of friend/foe, it goes through. If that weren't the case, we'd have a lot more attacks I think.

[Tyrith]

To me that means attacking a fellow necro gives a 75% chance they merely discover each other. Am i mistaken?

No, you're right. But a friendly death is a chance they might not be willing to take, especially since they lost one already day three. It also seems like neither of these attacks were coordinated -- I suspect we've had the same attacker two nights in a row who has yet to be linked in with the rest of the bad guys.

Side note, we also have to consider that we may have taken a disease in one of the last two nights and just don't know it yet. I'm not sure if the victim would realize they've been diseased or not, but if they don't it wouldn't surprise me if one of our known good players is already half dead.

[dubb93]

Let me know what you want me to say, as id love to have someone off my back.

There are bigger fish to fry;)

[Tyrith]

*writes "I will not comment on blade's ego" on a chalkboard fifty times*

[Qwikshot]

There are bigger fish to fry;)

Thar she blows...it is Moby Dick!

[Passacaglia]

No, you're right. But a friendly death is a chance they might not be willing to take, especially since they lost one already day three. It also seems like neither of these attacks were coordinated -- I suspect we've had the same attacker two nights in a row who has yet to be linked in with the rest of the bad guys.

Side note, we also have to consider that we may have taken a disease in one of the last two nights and just don't know it yet. I'm not sure if the victim would realize they've been diseased or not, but if they don't it wouldn't surprise me if one of our known good players is already half dead.

If there's one attacker, I think he's lousing things up for the necros. They're probably scrambling to find out who he is.

The disease thing is a good point. Now I'm scared..

[Qwikshot]

*writes "I will not comment on blade's ego" on a chalkboard fifty times*
You are going to unleash the f'ing fury...I just know it.:D

[Blade6119]

My ego will have to wait, im off to lunch.

I think bullet is the right move, and i think people should follow qwik and i. His actions today has made me certain hes bad. His defense just screamed desperate wolf to me. Please follow me in this my egyptian friends, and i believe we will be quite happy with its results.

[SnDvls]

To me that means attacking a fellow necro gives a 75% chance they merely discover each other. Am i mistaken?

Even if that was true you think the necros (4-5) of them would risk an attack on an unknown just to hope they fail and find a friend? not good logic.

[Tyrith]

random observation: schmidty sure is being quiet, even by the busy, show up late and vote last schmidty standard. Dunno if it's RL, part of a scam, or both.

[Qwikshot]

If there's one attacker, I think he's lousing things up for the necros. They're probably scrambling to find out who he is.

The disease thing is a good point. Now I'm scared..

This is why I think we're dealing with a splintered group still...whoever has this power hasn't used it yet, well, we'll find out tomorrow right, anyways, I think again, why waste the power on an unknown? So I'm sure it's still waiting in the wings, but that is bad juju m'man.

Of course, if you are healthy, you don't have to worry about it.

[SnDvls]

If there's one attacker, I think he's lousing things up for the necros. They're probably scrambling to find out who he is.

The disease thing is a good point. Now I'm scared..

I talked about this the other day too. could see a multi kill night real soon with the zealot still out there as well.

[Tyrith]

If there's one attacker, I think he's lousing things up for the necros. They're probably scrambling to find out who he is.

The disease thing is a good point. Now I'm scared..

Wouldn't surprise me. But two nights in a row we've had someone make a fifty-percent at best attack, which just doesn't seem that great anyway. To have two different people do it? The only way it makes sense is if they thought there was some great advantage to having path dead now...a ruling council bad guy, perhaps? But blade has kept the "path might be bad" flame alive now so it seems weird to try to kill him. I dunno, it just doesn't make a ton of sense no matter how it's sliced.

[Lathum]

I'm not sure disease is likely right now. It can only be used twice a game so why waste it so early?

Also, I may have missed this but if the head necro casts disease on someone it's possible they could be diseasing another necro?

[SnDvls]

My ego will have to wait, im off to lunch.

I think bullet is the right move, and i think people should follow qwik and i. His actions today has made me certain hes bad. His defense just screamed desperate wolf to me. Please follow me in this my egyptian friends, and i believe we will be quite happy with its results.

what actions today? he hasn't done or said anything except he expects to be lynched?

[SnDvls]

I'm not sure disease is likely right now. It can only be used twice a game so why waste it so early?

Also, I may have missed this but if the head necro casts disease on someone it's possible they could be diseasing another necro?

I could see the play as of last night, IF you assume dubb and I are good. Everyone else is still an unknown to everyone...kill off the two that can start making circles of trust.

[path12]

I'm not sure disease is likely right now. It can only be used twice a game so why waste it so early?

Also, I may have missed this but if the head necro casts disease on someone it's possible they could be diseasing another necro?

I think I'd be the most likely victim of disease if the bad guys wanted me dead.

[Alan T]

random observation: schmidty sure is being quiet, even by the busy, show up late and vote last schmidty standard. Dunno if it's RL, part of a scam, or both.


Seems like normal Schmidty to me. He's always Under the radar and someone I'm usually more likely to lynch if i run out of other decent candidates.

[Lathum]

I have to leave for work in about an hour so I need to get ready. Oddly enough without a night kill it is pretty hard to have anything to go on. Chubby had some pressure on him yesterday and has been quiet today. I'm going to stick with my suspiscouns of him for today unless anything changes before I leave in about an hour.

VOTE CHUBBY

[Lathum]

I agree with path being a possible disease candidate, but I find it unlikely anyone else, untill we find out who the "power" roles are I think disease is unlikely. Either way I think disease is a mute point considering unless you are "healty" you are pretty much "cough * cough" screwed.

[Tyrith]

My own personal trust list right now:

Path
SnDvls
----
Dubb
----
everyone else
----
alan (possibly in operation screw cronin, but otherwise in the group above)
barkeep (same, but even less suspicion than alan)
----
bullet

And the first two groups are the only likely disease targets. Fact of the matter is that sndvls is really the only person universally trusted right now.

[Schmidty]

This game is going way too fast for me to keep up. I'm leaving soon, and won't be back until around 3 pm PST.

If someone has the time, may I have a summary of what the hell is going on this morning? Every hour I check in, there's 2-3 new pages.

[SnDvls]

This game is going way too fast for me to keep up. I'm leaving soon, and won't be back until around 3 pm PST.

If someone has the time, may I have a summary of what the hell is going on this morning? Every hour I check in, there's 2-3 new pages.

your butt is on the line and it's 9-1 to lynch you ....J/K :D

read every 3rd post there's enough quoting in there to get the idea.

[Barkeep49]

Pass it on then. Give it to Path or Sun or Lathum. Don't freakin use it, I'm doing a scan tomorrow if I make it.
Dubb: What gives you the idea that my using the scarab would preven you from using your abilities? Now that I have announced I have it, if I do not use it tonight, I can't help but feel that I have a huge target on my back.

[Passacaglia]

I think I'd be the most likely victim of disease if the bad guys wanted me dead.

That makes a lot of sense. But, I have to ask, were you physically attacked last night, or did you just spot someone in your room? To more accurately describe what happened to me: I heard a noise, and saw a figure leaving. I ran after him, with no luck. However, when I came back, I saw the (useless) dagger, of necromancer style.

Maybe I was diseased, and not attacked?

[dubb93]

Dubb: What gives you the idea that my using the scarab would preven you from using your abilities? Now that I have announced I have it, if I do not use it tonight, I can't help but feel that I have a huge target on my back.

I don't think it would prevent me from using my abilities, but if it is cursed, I have a feeling that it could mess with the results of my scan. If it can mess with the seer, I see no reason why it couldn't mess with me.

[hoopsguy]

The day has proceeded briskly, with Blade6119 holding court and other spiritedly debating him on all conceivable topics. At noon the sky turns completely black. Thunder rings through the air at an impossible frequency; the collective group shudders at the raw display of nature.

It is difficult at first to here the screams of Blade6119 above the thunderclaps. But screaming he is, as he rips aside his shirt to reveal an enormous, moving, lump in his stomach. With a terrible ripping sound, the one-eyed, four-foot beetle emerges from within the stomach of Blade6119 and begins to feast on the dying mans remains. How is Blade6119 not yet dead? Only the gods know, and it is clear that this man is not among the favored. The scene drags on for an improbably long time, as the Egyptians are fearful of this magical creature. Finally, Tyrith crushes the bug with a large rock. Blade6119 is still alive, but missing an eye, an ear, and maybe another 50% of his face. His stomach wounds are terminal and there is nothing anyone can do to keep him from bleeding out onto the desert.

Blade6119 turns to the crowd to speak his last words, but that isn't happening either as a swarm of locusts emerge from his throat.

Day 4 continues.

[Coffee Warlord]

......the fuck?

[Coffee Warlord]

17. Blade6119 - Mystic, Day kill Day 4]

Seer.

Fuck me.

[st.cronin]

:o

[st.cronin]

Blade don't you pm me with any spoilers. Nor anybody else who dies.

[Lathum]

oh my.

now I'm confused. Was Blades whole "I would never scan Lathum" an attempt to throw suspiscoun off of him?

If so I guess I owe him an apology.

[Barkeep49]

Ok then. How do you like THEM apples?

Vote bullet

You say you were sure about this one? That's great news for us!

[Barkeep49]

oh my.

now I'm confused. Was Blades whole "I would never scan Lathum" an attempt to throw suspiscoun off of him?

If so I guess I owe him an apology.
Eh hold your apology. By the time you finish with it he'll have done something else to piss you off. That's what I've found :P

[Alan T]

My own personal trust list right now:

Path
SnDvls
----
Dubb
----
everyone else
----
alan (possibly in operation screw cronin, but otherwise in the group above)
barkeep (same, but even less suspicion than alan)
----
bullet

And the first two groups are the only likely disease targets. Fact of the matter is that sndvls is really the only person universally trusted right now.


Despite what it may seem like, I'm not evil in -every- game!

[Lathum]

My ego will have to wait, im off to lunch.
aint that the truth

[Barkeep49]

I don't think it would prevent me from using my abilities, but if it is cursed, I have a feeling that it could mess with the results of my scan. If it can mess with the seer, I see no reason why it couldn't mess with me.
I do. Because it's listed as such in the rules for the seer but not for you. You are not a seer, you are a soothsayer.

[dubb93]

Vote bulletsponge

What the hell was that all about?

[Coffee Warlord]

Ok then. How do you like THEM apples?

Vote bullet

You say you were sure about this one? That's great news for us!

Quite right, quite right.

Vote Bullet

[Alan T]

The day has proceeded briskly, with Blade6119 holding court and other spiritedly debating him on all conceivable topics. At noon the sky turns completely black. Thunder rings through the air at an impossible frequency; the collective group shudders at the raw display of nature.

It is difficult at first to here the screams of Blade6119 above the thunderclaps. But screaming he is, as he rips aside his shirt to reveal an enormous, moving, lump in his stomach. With a terrible ripping sound, the one-eyed, four-foot beetle emerges from within the stomach of Blade6119 and begins to feast on the dying mans remains. How is Blade6119 not yet dead? Only the gods know, and it is clear that this man is not among the favored. The scene drags on for an improbably long time, as the Egyptians are fearful of this magical creature. Finally, Tyrith crushes the bug with a large rock. Blade6119 is still alive, but missing an eye, an ear, and maybe another 50% of his face. His stomach wounds are terminal and there is nothing anyone can do to keep him from bleeding out onto the desert.

Blade6119 turns to the crowd to speak his last words, but that isn't happening either as a swarm of locusts emerge from his throat.

Day 4 continues.


So.. Blade being the seer, was most argumentative against Lathum. This could be a setup, but that would have to have been some elaborative setup.

My questions: What role(s) could have done that day kill? Good or bad?

Right now, I think the most suspect as far as reveals goes is Lathum

Vote Lathum

[dubb93]

I do. Because it's listed as such in the rules for the seer but not for you. You are not a seer, you are a soothsayer.

OK then, go right ahead then. I'm just worried on the off chance that it could effect me.

[SnDvls]

make the vote easy now I guess

vote bullet

[Alan T]

Er wait, where did Blade say he was sure of bullet? I'll change my vote to him I didnt realize blade said he was sure of him though. (ie: I never saw anything that looked like a scan. moreso just him not liking bullet's play)

[Barkeep49]

So.. Blade being the seer, was most argumentative against Lathum. This could be a setup, but that would have to have been some elaborative setup.

My questions: What role(s) could have done that day kill? Good or bad?

Right now, I think the most suspect as far as reveals goes is Lathum

Vote Lathum
Alan: I think we can have a discussion about new suspects tomorrow. But Blade made it clear he was SURE about this vote. In seer retrospect it's clear that bullet is a bad guy, otherwise Blade would have been more careful about the words he used to describe the vote.

[dubb93]

My questions: What role(s) could have done that day kill? Good or bad?


Off the top of my head I'd venture a guess that it almost had to be The Prophecy.

[Qwikshot]

Wow...reminds me of the scene in Spaceballs...

"sh*t, get this guy some peptoBIZMOL!"

Sorry blade, you were in my circle of trust...

[Alan T]

Fair enough. I guess I read into it as Blade being blade and how he liked to provoke people to make them talk. I guess I saw it as him doing that with bullet. I voted bullet yesterday though so dont mind voting him today. I just think now that Lathum's reveal does not feel very strong any more.


Unvote Lathum
Vote Bulletsponge

[Schmidty]

Well, that sucks, but at least it cleared up some things for me without forcing me to read 10 pages.

Vote bulletsponge

[Lathum]

Now the question I have is if Blade belives in his whole scanning only "vets" the first few days how could he be sure of bullet?

That being said I think the whole statement about scanning "vets" was to throw people off. Since I know I was scanned day one I guess it could be possible blade knew something by the third night.I hate to bandwagon but it seems like a pretty obvious choice.

UNVOTE CHUBBY
VOTE BULLET

[Passacaglia]

Er wait, where did Blade say he was sure of bullet? I'll change my vote to him I didnt realize blade said he was sure of him though. (ie: I never saw anything that looked like a scan. moreso just him not liking bullet's play)

I gotta agree with that. Why would Blade scan someone as quiet as bullet?

[Barkeep49]

Hope this wasn't posted in the iterim
Here's where he votes for bullet in 1467
I think im fairly confident we have good odds with him as i put the pieces together in my head. He just seems to fit into all the pieces i have for what i think a necro would be doing(the cronin vote, who they would scan, comments made, etc.) I think this will be my vote, barring some info later that i dont see now. I think, for the first time this game, im confident with my vote.
After that in post 1495
Dola, the more i think about it the more i like bullet as a bad guy.

[Passacaglia]

Now the question I have is if Blade belives in his whole scanning only "vets" the first few days how could he be sure of bullet?

That being said I think the whole statement about scanning "vets" was to throw people off. Since I know I was scanned day one I guess it could be possible blade knew something by the third night.I hate to bandwagon but it seems like a pretty obvious choice.

UNVOTE CHUBBY
VOTE BULLET

This actually makes a lot of sense, and really confirms the theory that I put out last time of scans: Lathum, Bek, bullet. Blade probably questioned all those choices in order to make him look like the seer. Notice that he never voted for Lathum.

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

Now...let's talk about saldana...

[Barkeep49]

It's the line "I think, for the first time this game, im confident with my vote." that I feel that Blade did a seer and it was the first time he hit.

[Abe Sargent]

what are the chances they even knew bek was bad? You think us assuming path is good is a reach this is even further out there.

I think bullet is being thrown under the bus for his vote on path yesterday.


I agree, it seems hinky to me.

I'm leaning towards Chubby or Blade. Explainations to follow.

-Anxiety

[Lathum]

Alan, I agree my information from night one is a bit flimsy but at the time we had nothing to discuss. If I was a necro does it seem likely I would have made that information public.

Also, if bullet was scanend last night do you think he would have mentioned anything if he is a necro. I think tonight lynch will shed alot of light on where we are.

[Barkeep49]

I gotta agree with that. Why would Blade scan someone as quiet as bullet?
Several people have said that something has seemed off about Bullet's posts. I can't remember if Blade was one of them but either way he might have agreed with the analysis even if he didn't say so.

[Barkeep49]

I agree, it seems hinky to me.

I'm leaning towards Chubby or Blade. Explainations to follow.

-Anxiety
Ahh. Won't Anxiety feel silly when he catches up :)

[Passacaglia]

Hope this wasn't posted in the iterim
Here's where he votes for bullet in 1467

After that in post 1495

Good stuff. I was never really down with Blade's reasoning (or lack thereof) for being so sure about bullet, but I knew he didn't need much, since people were on him from yesterday.

[Barkeep49]

Alan, I agree my information from night one is a bit flimsy but at the time we had nothing to discuss. If I was a necro does it seem likely I would have made that information public.

Also, if bullet was scanend last night do you think he would have mentioned anything if he is a necro. I think tonight lynch will shed alot of light on where we are.
If I'm scanned and I'm a necro? I come boasting of it loud and clear. Muddy the water. Try and make the seer reveal.

If bullet was the one responsible for this killing of Blade I think he goofed because I think somebody other than Bullet would easily have been on the block today.

[Abe Sargent]

Well 5 guys could have scanned, so any of the 5 hit on bek or bek on them and that would be enough. Im making a leap in my head just like you guys are with path. But why is it so hard to believe they knew bek was bad?


Untrue. Only the head necro could pikc up Bek, since only the Head can silence. and the others can't tell the Head if they found Bek until they are found.


-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

Thats my problem...while you might have made an enticing target(obviously not enough of one, as they attacked path, i think there are more enticing targets out there the bodyguard should have been protecting. Be it Path himself, or the EG himself, or the mystic. No offense, but the soothsayer is not as powerful as those 3 roles in my mind, so i think the bodyguard should have been elsewhere. Thats not a knock on you and what you might do with your other scan, im just not sure path truly is handicapping our EG with the groups best interests really in mind.

Untrue. As asked by myself earlier, the EG is automatically protected without needd to guard himself. That leaves just a Mystic out there with a role better than the soothsayer. Meanwhile, the Soothsayer gives a GUARANTEED positive or negative read on someone that will be immedately posted, wheras the Mystic is keeping everyhting close to the vest until the last possible minute. Therefore, the soothsayer is of immediate improtance. With just one other role more important, why not protect him?

Sounds like you may be wanting path to move off Dubb so you can kill him yourself.

-Anxiety

[SnDvls]

If I'm scanned and I'm a necro? I come boasting of it loud and clear. Muddy the water. Try and make the seer reveal.

If bullet was the one responsible for this killing of Blade I think he goofed because I think somebody other than Bullet would easily have been on the block today.

agreed

[SnDvls]

Ahh. Won't Anxiety feel silly when he catches up :)


it's even funnier the more he posts.

[bulletsponge]

The day has proceeded briskly, with Blade6119 holding court and other spiritedly debating him on all conceivable topics. At noon the sky turns completely black. Thunder rings through the air at an impossible frequency; the collective group shudders at the raw display of nature.

It is difficult at first to here the screams of Blade6119 above the thunderclaps. But screaming he is, as he rips aside his shirt to reveal an enormous, moving, lump in his stomach. With a terrible ripping sound, the one-eyed, four-foot beetle emerges from within the stomach of Blade6119 and begins to feast on the dying mans remains. How is Blade6119 not yet dead? Only the gods know, and it is clear that this man is not among the favored. The scene drags on for an improbably long time, as the Egyptians are fearful of this magical creature. Finally, Tyrith crushes the bug with a large rock. Blade6119 is still alive, but missing an eye, an ear, and maybe another 50% of his face. His stomach wounds are terminal and there is nothing anyone can do to keep him from bleeding out onto the desert.

Blade6119 turns to the crowd to speak his last words, but that isn't happening either as a swarm of locusts emerge from his throat.

Day 4 continues

well that sounded very painfull, make me glad im only getting hanged :D

im pretty much screwed now, can someone get a quick vote count?

[Passacaglia]

Man, I wish people would just read everything before filling this thread with more posts.

Anyway, stupid question here, but how did Blade die? Re-reading the rules, I can't see any reason why someone would die during the day.

[Tyrith]

Question for whenever hoops comes back, not that it will matter when it comes lynch time -- is blade's vote for today still good or not?

I think the lathum thing might have been blade covering his tracks somewhat, although it would have been odd when he came out later.

Doooogpiiiillleeee.

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

[Lathum]

I doubt bullet had anything to do with Blades killing.

I think it was one of 2 things.

1. Someone who has been quiet and based on the tension today pick now to unleash whatever this power is, thus creating chaos.

2. Blade was diseased.

I think option 1 is more likely considering all the arguing so far today.

[bulletsponge]

my guess, he was poisoned

[hoopsguy]

No. Only those alive have their votes counted. So Blade's vote today will not count in the final total.

[bulletsponge]

erm or diseased, whichever is in the game

[Abe Sargent]

There is also a degree of reverse psychology involved. I think it would have been rather unlikely that dubb would have been attacked last night because of the risk of the bodyguard, so the bad guys will hunt elsewhere, so the bodyguard so should elsewhere. The problem is, where does the EG go when you have to choose between about 15 nearly equally valid choices? But bodyguard games are something that are highly underrated in WW; hoops did an incredibly good job last game with that and lathum caught me once the game before. To a large degree we're better off shutting up about it now so they bad guys can't get anymore clues.


Agreed, so why is Blade still talking about it? Isn't he a good enough player to know to shut up about stuff like this?


-Anxiety

[Blade6119]

....thanks to who im pretty sure did that...ill make sure to make up for it in coming games

Best of luck egyptians

[Tyrith]

Man, I wish people would just read everything before filling this thread with more posts.

Anyway, stupid question here, but how did Blade die? Re-reading the rules, I can't see any reason why someone would die during the day.

I think that's why dubb mentioned the Prophecy. I wouldn't completely rule out this being a weird disease kill, but the timing seems weird for that, so I'm inclined to follow dubb for now.

Quick vote count: bullet 10 (11 with blade), everyone else 0, no votes - anxiety, bullet, chubby, king, path, saldana, tangle, vince.

[Passacaglia]

I don't get why disease would entail his death in the middle of the day, though.

[dubb93]

it's even funnier the more he posts.

:)

[Blade6119]

Agreed, so why is Blade still talking about it? Isn't he a good enough player to know to shut up about stuff like this?


-Anxiety
Anxiety, you just made my day with this row of posts after im dead. Thank you amigo.

[Passacaglia]

I think that's why dubb mentioned the Prophecy. I wouldn't completely rule out this being a weird disease kill, but the timing seems weird for that, so I'm inclined to follow dubb for now.

Quick vote count: bullet 10 (11 with blade), everyone else 0, no votes - anxiety, bullet, chubby, king, path, saldana, tangle, vince.

ooh, the Prophecy -- the coming of that one has been foretold!! i.e. let's fuck shit up!

[bulletsponge]

dead men dont talk.

[Tyrith]

I don't get why disease would entail his death in the middle of the day, though.

Shit, especially since it has to be a night action...yeah, I would lean towards some weird power we don't know about.

[Abe Sargent]

The day has proceeded briskly, with Blade6119 holding court and other spiritedly debating him on all conceivable topics. At noon the sky turns completely black. Thunder rings through the air at an impossible frequency; the collective group shudders at the raw display of nature.

It is difficult at first to here the screams of Blade6119 above the thunderclaps. But screaming he is, as he rips aside his shirt to reveal an enormous, moving, lump in his stomach. With a terrible ripping sound, the one-eyed, four-foot beetle emerges from within the stomach of Blade6119 and begins to feast on the dying mans remains. How is Blade6119 not yet dead? Only the gods know, and it is clear that this man is not among the favored. The scene drags on for an improbably long time, as the Egyptians are fearful of this magical creature. Finally, Tyrith crushes the bug with a large rock. Blade6119 is still alive, but missing an eye, an ear, and maybe another 50% of his face. His stomach wounds are terminal and there is nothing anyone can do to keep him from bleeding out onto the desert.

Blade6119 turns to the crowd to speak his last words, but that isn't happening either as a swarm of locusts emerge from his throat.

Day 4 continues.



I was building a case against Blade as I moved through the new posts, and then this happened.


SHIT!



-Anxiety

[Lathum]

I don't get why disease would entail his death in the middle of the day, though.
I don't see any reason why it wouldn't? Not all sick people die a night?

I'm off to work now untill after the lynch.

[Abe Sargent]

The day has proceeded briskly, with Blade6119 holding court and other spiritedly debating him on all conceivable topics. At noon the sky turns completely black. Thunder rings through the air at an impossible frequency; the collective group shudders at the raw display of nature.

It is difficult at first to here the screams of Blade6119 above the thunderclaps. But screaming he is, as he rips aside his shirt to reveal an enormous, moving, lump in his stomach. With a terrible ripping sound, the one-eyed, four-foot beetle emerges from within the stomach of Blade6119 and begins to feast on the dying mans remains. How is Blade6119 not yet dead? Only the gods know, and it is clear that this man is not among the favored. The scene drags on for an improbably long time, as the Egyptians are fearful of this magical creature. Finally, Tyrith crushes the bug with a large rock. Blade6119 is still alive, but missing an eye, an ear, and maybe another 50% of his face. His stomach wounds are terminal and there is nothing anyone can do to keep him from bleeding out onto the desert.

Blade6119 turns to the crowd to speak his last words, but that isn't happening either as a swarm of locusts emerge from his throat.

Day 4 continues.



I was building a case against Blade as I moved through the new posts, and then this happened.


SHIT! SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT!



-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

Anxiety, you just made my day with this row of posts after im dead. Thank you amigo.


No prob buddy.:(


-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

Whopps, looks like I got dupe posts. I still have some conn problems intermittenly.


Vote Bulletsponge, of course


-Anxiety

[Barkeep49]

Yeah the board has definitely been whacky today.

[Abe Sargent]

What's REALLY funny and been making me laugh, is that I had a post that never made it through the board problems, which said:

"What I've been doing with theese previous posts is building a case against Blade. He's acting either with poor judgment or with evil judgment, and I'm beginning to suspect the latter.

Therefore I'm going to

Vote Blade


Let me get caught up on the final page and a half and I'll see if there are any more issues."

Now,think how funny THAT would have been.


-Anxiety

[Barkeep49]

The two ideas are disease versus prophecy, correct?

To me the idea of disease is something that was targeted against Blade. As Lathum has stated there are certainly reasons why people would target Blade from the start for death.

To me the idea of the prophecy was not dealing with Blade specifically and more with his role.

The crucial line I feel is where it talks about how Blade was not favored by the Gods. Now perhaps I am reading too much into this, but that seemed like an important part of the death write up.

[Barkeep49]

What's REALLY funny and been making me laugh, is that I had a post that never made it through the board problems, which said:

"What I've been doing with theese previous posts is building a case against Blade. He's acting either with poor judgment or with evil judgment, and I'm beginning to suspect the latter.

Therefore I'm going to

Vote Blade


Let me get caught up on the final page and a half and I'll see if there are any more issues."

Now,think how funny THAT would have been.


-Anxiety
Anxiety as you were doing that I thought about how in previous games that could have been me. I've done the same thing, especially when I have had to catch up several pages.

[SnDvls]

I think that's why dubb mentioned the Prophecy. I wouldn't completely rule out this being a weird disease kill, but the timing seems weird for that, so I'm inclined to follow dubb for now.

Quick vote count: bullet 10 (11 with blade), everyone else 0, no votes - anxiety, bullet, chubby, king, path, saldana, tangle, vince.


I think I mentioned it first, FYI

[SnDvls]

The crucial line I feel is where it talks about how Blade was not favored by the Gods. Now perhaps I am reading too much into this, but that seemed like an important part of the death write up.

that line caught my attention too.

[path12]

That makes a lot of sense. But, I have to ask, were you physically attacked last night, or did you just spot someone in your room? To more accurately describe what happened to me: I heard a noise, and saw a figure leaving. I ran after him, with no luck. However, when I came back, I saw the (useless) dagger, of necromancer style.

Maybe I was diseased, and not attacked?

I was physically attacked. I knocked the arm with the dagger away as it came at me and pulled the attacker to the floor. As I was trying to pull his hood from his face he did something to temporarily blind me and escape.

[Coffee Warlord]

The crucial line I feel is where it talks about how Blade was not favored by the Gods. Now perhaps I am reading too much into this, but that seemed like an important part of the death write up.

'Favored by the Gods': will avert death (at least) one time during the game. No dice roll is invoked, no opportunity to identify his attacker. He will not even know he was attacked. The necromancers will know that he is 'Favored'. This power is useless against the Mummy or a Disease spell.

Or it could simply be a reference that he, in fact, did not have the above role.

[Alan T]

Alan, I agree my information from night one is a bit flimsy but at the time we had nothing to discuss. If I was a necro does it seem likely I would have made that information public.

Also, if bullet was scanend last night do you think he would have mentioned anything if he is a necro. I think tonight lynch will shed alot of light on where we are.


Sorry if I am slow to respond, getting all kinds of board database errors when I try to read this thread.

Basically the way I viewed your reveal and Pass's reveal were both ones that would buy a bad guy alot of leeway for many days if they stuck. and your reveal could possibly out the seer if you were a bad guy which is a win also. But in both cases I said it probably did more to add to a little trust for me until we had more information to either dispute or acknowledge your claims.

In this case right now, Im feeling that what Blade said makes me feel like your story does not stand up any longer. He seemed pretty hot on you and well it could all be an act, but he seemed to agressively be saying there is no way he would scan you first night without saying he was the seer.

In fact, it seems to me he came out and said who he scaned early on, and I think we are more likely to trust those people now

[Blade6119]

Blade don't you pm me with any spoilers. Nor anybody else who dies.
lol, but we could talk and talk lol...have fun figuring it all out buddy:)

[Alan T]

Barkeep or Dubb. They are the two players i usually fail to get a read on. As Alan T so beautifully revealed on of my major weaknesses in the ninja game, merely supporting me or agreeing with me earns my trust. Talking and playing with me is all it takes really, so since barkeep and dubb usually will go through ideas with me i tend to trust them. Therefore, for me they make the best scans as they are the toughest people for me to read, and for me that means the biggest threats to me(normally it would be hoops, but he is not playing due to his mod duties)


This is the post I was referring to. To me this looks like he just comes out and tells us who he scanned, and thus I would move Dubb and Barkeep up really high on my trust list now.

I don't buy Lathum's story at all any more.

[tanglewood]

Well, today seems relatively easy decision.

Vote bulletsponge

I too was suspicious of Blade, I was all set to post about how I thought he had been acting slightly differently to usual, not posting as much etc. until obviously he turned up dead. It sure seems to me that someone has a particular role that killed him this way, perhaps the prophecy is some kind of bounty hunter/assasin role that can be used at day?

[bulletsponge]

for 2 dead men, yall sure post a lot

[Alan T]

Barkeep or Dubb. They are the two players i usually fail to get a read on. As Alan T so beautifully revealed on of my major weaknesses in the ninja game, merely supporting me or agreeing with me earns my trust. Talking and playing with me is all it takes really, so since barkeep and dubb usually will go through ideas with me i tend to trust them. Therefore, for me they make the best scans as they are the toughest people for me to read, and for me that means the biggest threats to me(normally it would be hoops, but he is not playing due to his mod duties)


This is the post I was referring to. To me this looks like he just comes out and tells us who he scanned, and thus I would move Dubb and Barkeep up really high on my trust list now.

I don't buy Lathum's story at all any more.

[Barkeep49]

This is the post I was referring to. To me this looks like he just comes out and tells us who he scanned, and thus I would move Dubb and Barkeep up really high on my trust list now.

I don't buy Lathum's story at all any more.
I can't decide if that's the truth or a fakeout.

[Barkeep49]

'Favored by the Gods': will avert death (at least) one time during the game. No dice roll is invoked, no opportunity to identify his attacker. He will not even know he was attacked. The necromancers will know that he is 'Favored'. This power is useless against the Mummy or a Disease spell.

Or it could simply be a reference that he, in fact, did not have the above role.
So if we work off that theory CW, then we would have to assume it's not a disease or the Mummy (duh!) which would lead credence to the prophecy idea.

[Barkeep49]

Ok let's say we decide that Blade has indeed scanned dubb and me and we're clean. Good for us. That would put both of us on a circle of trust. There is already one person I am ready to vouch for and another player has hinted that I could be able to vouch for them. If that second player, not the one who I can vouch, would do something so I know it's not just me being taken for a ride, like Sack did, I would appreciate it. I would like to do this all before the end of night so taht if I am whacked during the night that there is a solid group of people for the good guys to use as part of a COT going forward.

[Coffee Warlord]

So if we work off that theory CW, then we would have to assume it's not a disease or the Mummy (duh!) which would lead credence to the prophecy idea.

There's no reason it couldn't be a disease. The mummy is obviously out. Mummy or Prophecy.

[Blade6119]

for 2 dead men, yall sure post a lot
Im not saying anything that could effect the outcome of the game, and neither is cronin. Not sure how were any different then stevew or ardent who have posted. Were all just observers now, no harm no foul. We are merely here to make fun of people when they build a case against a guy when he is already dead ;)

[Alan T]

I can't decide if that's the truth or a fakeout.


I would think it was a fake out, but Blade went way over the top far more than i would think.. it really felt to me like it was getting personal.. Like Why would I ever do this if I was a seer type of thing.

I still feel that Blade was reading into the same things about Bullet that I and others had and was trying to provoke him to get some form of response to make up his mind about him. I'm perfectly fine looking at bullet for today since he was my leading choice coming into all of this mess.

I however do choose to at least at this time feel Blade's comments damns Lathum and for the most part clears both Barkeep and Dubbs. Blade couldn't just come out and vote Lathum there, as it would be too obvious, so he had to try to work up some trust with others to back him on it. That way he would not have outed himself as the seer.

[Coffee Warlord]

There's no reason it couldn't be a disease. The mummy is obviously out. Mummy or Prophecy.

If it IS the prophecy, we have to wonder....is that particular role a friend to us at all? It did take out our seer, after all.

[Alan T]

I would think it was a fake out, but Blade went way over the top far more than i would think.. it really felt to me like it was getting personal.. Like Why would I ever do this if I was a seer type of thing.

I still feel that Blade was reading into the same things about Bullet that I and others had and was trying to provoke him to get some form of response to make up his mind about him. I'm perfectly fine looking at bullet for today since he was my leading choice coming into all of this mess.

I however do choose to at least at this time feel Blade's comments damns Lathum and for the most part clears both Barkeep and Dubbs. Blade couldn't just come out and vote Lathum there, as it would be too obvious, so he had to try to work up some trust with others to back him on it. That way he would not have outed himself as the seer.


That should read I think its not a fake out

[Barkeep49]

There's no reason it couldn't be a disease. The mummy is obviously out. Mummy or Prophecy.
I don't think he would use that phrasing if it were the disease because even someone favored by the gods would be susceptible to that.

[Coffee Warlord]

I don't think he would use that phrasing if it were the disease because even someone favored by the gods would be susceptible to that.

Very good point, however, I do think you're/we're overanalyzing on this one. Sometimes flavor verbage is just for flavor.

Case in point. I remember laughing my ass off in the game I ran when a few people spent half the day trying to analyze random meaningless shit I posted at the end of the day writeups. :)

[Vince]

Man, the slow board has been a killer. I'll read a full page, then have to wait five minutes to get to the next one. What a day...that whole Blade thing still has my head spinning -- I had him pegged much closer to "bad" than "good" on my list. I'm not sure how to take it...I'd assume that it almost has to be the Prophecy, as Scarabs and Locusts don't sound much like any Disease I've ever heard of (though in Egypt...who knows). This is going to be (well, it's SUPPOSED to be) my only post of the day, as I work tonight, and have some stuff to do before I leave, so I'll throw it all in here to begin with...

So I started off with a big argument against Blade's continued lobbying for Path not being good, based on the fact that if he's bad and he's moving the Bodyguard AWAY from the target, how come he WAS the target? Then I realized that that would be an absolutely perfect cover story. Bear with me here:

Path moves bodyguard to Dubb, ensuring he is not protected.
Path claims to have a scarab from day one that he used already. Our options are blessed protection scarab (preventing attack) or cursed scarab (flip-flopping seer scan results).
Path gets "attacked," fights off the attacker -- according to the rules, that means that it couldn't have been a protection scarab, and would have to flip-flop any scan results.


Now, this could be considered a bit far-fetched, but let's assume for the moment that Path is bad. I don't know if they can 'fake' an attack, but if they could wow would this go a long way towards clearing him. On second though, there might not have been an attack last night -- there was no mention of an attack or anything, just that we were called to the Pharaoh's rooms. Plus it gives an out; if he's scanned later, he'll show up as bad because the scarab he "used" is obviously a cursed scarab, flip-flopping his role. So for this to work, we need to assume a few things...

Path is bad.
Path knows someone else, who he can coordinate a fake attack with. OR, he just called an assembly of people.
Path completely and totally faked the use of a Scarab.


Now, this is a lot of grasping at straws, and I'm pretty sure I don't really believe this myself...but this is the sort of crazy play that I would love to make as a bad guy :)

Today, I think it's obvious that we have to vote for Bulletsponge, but tomorrow...

(The way today is going, I'll have another two pages to read that were posted while I was typing up this monolithic post)

Vote Bulletsponge

[Alan T]

Trying to figure out my extended circles of trust now...

Trust: Dubbs, Barkeep , Sndvls, path.

If we assume Dubb is good, then by extention, Sndvls is too.

Distrust: Lathum, Bulletsponge, Saldana, pass

Turn of events that have shed some light on Lathum's story also helps me find some holes I don't like in Pass's story either. Never like when someone has a legitimate role reveal and then makes up things on top of it. usually I find that reveal fishy.

[SnDvls]

Ok let's say we decide that Blade has indeed scanned dubb and me and we're clean. Good for us. That would put both of us on a circle of trust. There is already one person I am ready to vouch for and another player has hinted that I could be able to vouch for them. If that second player, not the one who I can vouch, would do something so I know it's not just me being taken for a ride, like Sack did, I would appreciate it. I would like to do this all before the end of night so taht if I am whacked during the night that there is a solid group of people for the good guys to use as part of a COT going forward.

I can buy in, but if I'm not in the circle of trust I got big problems then.

[SnDvls]

Very good point, however, I do think you're/we're overanalyzing on this one. Sometimes flavor verbage is just for flavor.

Case in point. I remember laughing my ass off in the game I ran when a few people spent half the day trying to analyze random meaningless shit I posted at the end of the day writeups. :)

like my yak info I passed along to you from wikipedia

[Barkeep49]

Regarding sndvls and dubb:

Dubb can be good or bad (though I think he's good) with the soothsayer role. He simply needs to be telling the truth. And on that I find no reason for him to be lying. So ever since then SnDvls has been the only known good guy, besides myself, as far as I am concerned.

[Alan T]

Regarding sndvls and dubb:

Dubb can be good or bad (though I think he's good) with the soothsayer role. He simply needs to be telling the truth. And on that I find no reason for him to be lying. So ever since then SnDvls has been the only known good guy, besides myself, as far as I am concerned.


I still say Blade pretty much told us that you and Dubbs are good/cleared.

If not, then you fall back into the untrusted column since Blade in my mind is the only one who has vouched for you.

[Barkeep49]

I still say Blade pretty much told us that you and Dubbs are good/cleared.

If not, then you fall back into the untrusted column since Blade in my mind is the only one who has vouched for you.
I said, besides myself, because I know I'm good. I wouldn't expect others to. My own COT, actually has 3 people on it, including me, and I'm hoping I can get it up to 4 before I go to sleep tonight in case I die.

[Chubby]

holy crap, finally got caught up (as I said earlier, I've been at work and had to pick up the girlfriend)

It's going to take me a while to process the information in here, damn...

I do know the obvious tho

vote bulletsponge

I don't see anyone else I can even possibly consider at this point. I'll be back on later and again most likely at the lynching time.

[Tyrith]

Bullet vote count is now up to 14. Outstanding votes: bullet, king, path, saldana.

[Coffee Warlord]

Since bullet is basically a dead man tonight, and voting patterns from today are going to be completely and utterly useless.

Who else are we looking at for tomorrow?

[Alan T]

Since bullet is basically a dead man tonight, and voting patterns from today are going to be completely and utterly useless.

Who else are we looking at for tomorrow?

Lathum

[dubb93]

Since bullet is basically a dead man tonight, and voting patterns from today are going to be completely and utterly useless.

Who else are we looking at for tomorrow?

Chubby and Lathum in my book.

[SnDvls]

Chubby and Lathum in my book.
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[Abe Sargent]

Let's see what happens tonight with the lynch and during Night Actions before jumping the gun on tomorrow.

-Anxiety

[Alan T]

Having work issues. I'll be out for a while. should be back before lynch tonight unless its bad

[Alan T]

dola..

Hi Ryan S

[bulletsponge]

i have a power storm right now and it might last all night, so there is a chance i wont be on for the final lynching tonight. i btter get my vote out then

Vote Bulletsponge

[Vince]

Ok, well I'm out for work. Catch you guys after the lynch.

[Passacaglia]

bulletsponge, why are you even palying? You haven't even once tried to defend yourself!

[SnDvls]

gone for the day...I won't be back for lynch so see you tomorrow

[Vince]

bulletsponge, why are you even palying? You haven't even once tried to defend yourself!

Well, Paly's are usually the tank, resorting to absorbing damage and reducing threat to other party mem...oh, sorry, wrong game.

Realistically though, I don't see much of a play when you're down 11-0. I mean, I'm sure I'd try something, but it wouldn't be with much hope :)

[Abe Sargent]

What game, exactly, were you referring to there?

-Anx

[Abe Sargent]

Well, Paly's are usually the tank, resorting to absorbing damage and reducing threat to other party mem...oh, sorry, wrong game.

Realistically though, I don't see much of a play when you're down 11-0. I mean, I'm sure I'd try something, but it wouldn't be with much hope :)


Fake role reveal? :)


-Anx

[Passacaglia]

Well, Paly's are usually the tank, resorting to absorbing damage and reducing threat to other party mem...oh, sorry, wrong game.

Realistically though, I don't see much of a play when you're down 11-0. I mean, I'm sure I'd try something, but it wouldn't be with much hope :)

He's been down several times the last few days, and made a conscious decision not to bother defending himself -- I think he called it a "weasly necro move" or somesuch. Yeah, he's down 11-0 now, but he wasn't always. He could have at least said SOMETHING.

I dunno, maybe it's just that the way he spells "noose" bugs me.

[dubb93]

Fake role reveal? :)


-Anx

Obviously now is the time for him to claim mystic.

[Passacaglia]

Obviously now is the time for him to claim mystic.

Well, there may be more than one!

[dubb93]

FYI, JimmyWint became a legend today. If you haven't checked out the Fudge a bank statement thread now may be the time.

[saldana]

vote bulletsponge

anything else is academic....BS, just to give you a little help, if you have a role, now would be the time to tell us about it....there is still plenty of time for us to move if you give us a reason.

[Abe Sargent]

Honestly, saldana, he could say he's he freakin' EG and I don't think it'd matter much.

-Anxiety

[Alan T]

Honestly, saldana, he could say he's he freakin' EG and I don't think it'd matter much.

-Anxiety


Actually thats perhaps the one role he could claim to keep himself from being lynched. All he would have to do is tell us who Path told him to guard on night 1 and if he hits it right, then he's legit!


ps.. even if you arent EG, please claim it just so we have something to laugh and watch tonight before lynch so its not boring!

[dubb93]

Bulletsponge is here, please claim mystic, please.

[Abe Sargent]

Claim Initiate please!


-Anxiety

[dubb93]

Actually thats perhaps the one role he could claim to keep himself from being lynched. All he would have to do is tell us who Path told him to guard on night 1 and if he hits it right, then he's legit!


ps.. even if you arent EG, please claim it just so we have something to laugh and watch tonight before lynch so its not boring!

Yea, but what about blind chance? I could claim EG and say Path told me to protect himself. Is that the right answer? IDK, but it could very well be and we all know I'm not the EG.

[bulletsponge]

once Blades died and about 7 people jumped on the "lynch him" vote it was pretty much over for me. im sorry im not squirming enough for you. besides if the situation was reversed and i thought you were a necro i wouldnt believe you if you came out at the last minuet and claimed to be an important egyptian

[Alan T]

Yea, but what about blind chance? I could claim EG and say Path told me to protect himself. Is that the right answer? IDK, but it could very well be and we all know I'm not the EG.


I doubt path told him to protect path that night due to the reason we wanted him to command a guarding. And if he blindly got the 1/21 chance right of who to guard, well that deserves another day!



ps. I'll really laugh if he really is the EG

[dubb93]

once Blades died and about 7 people jumped on the "lynch him" vote it was pretty much over for me. im sorry im not squirming enough for you. besides if the situation was reversed and i thought you were a necro i wouldnt believe you if you came out at the last minuet and claimed to be an important egyptian

So you have no role? You haven't claimed anything. You have no defense? That means you really are a nec.

[bulletsponge]

I dunno, maybe it's just that the way he spells "noose" bugs me.


thanks for pointing that out Pass, i looked it up on dictionary.com and found out i was spelling it wrong

[Alan T]

once Blades died and about 7 people jumped on the "lynch him" vote it was pretty much over for me. im sorry im not squirming enough for you. besides if the situation was reversed and i thought you were a necro i wouldnt believe you if you came out at the last minuet and claimed to be an important egyptian


Well if you are legit, and on our side.. tell us what your role is, what you do know instead of taking it to your grave so we don't have to guess.

If you are bad, then we will find out after the lynch and anything you said will be taken with a grain of salt anyways.

Its never too late to avoid a lynch, and many of us believe like I do that Blade wasn't 100% on you, he simply said you because of how you were acting.