Werewolf: Hunt for Necromancers - GAME OVER! Post #3469

[dubb93]

I'm pretty sure with the way bullet is acting he is bad. No way my vote moves after this and with some of the things Blade had to say.

[saldana]

Honestly, saldana, he could say he's he freakin' EG and I don't think it'd matter much.

-Anxiety


i realize that, but i would hope if he had something, he wouldnt just go down with out at least saying something. swaggs may not have gotten lynched day one if he had said he was ruling class...of course that was an entirely different day.

[Tyrith]

Now sixteen votes. Path and king still left.

[dubb93]

And Bullet is still unwilling to defend himself.......

[dubb93]

OK then, since the lynch is completely set in stone let's switch the discussion once again to who killed Blade...

Here is a theory. Lathum and Blade were going back and forth most of the day. Lathum is The Prophecy and killed Blade.

[Alan T]

OK then, since the lynch is completely set in stone let's switch the discussion once again to who killed Blade...

Here is a theory. Lathum and Blade were going back and forth most of the day. Lathum is The Prophecy and killed Blade.


Why the phony reveal if that is true?

[dubb93]

Why the phony reveal if that is true?

You talking about when he was "scanned" on night 1?

[Alan T]

You talking about when he was "scanned" on night 1?

Right, since Blade was the seer and made it pretty clear that he did not scan lathum, but Lathum said he was scanned. I'm not sure what a neutral role such as the prophecy would gain from that. (in addition the prophecy is unable to be detected by scans anyways)

[dubb93]

Right, since Blade was the seer and made it pretty clear that he did not scan lathum, but Lathum said he was scanned. I'm not sure what a neutral role such as the prophecy would gain from that. (in addition the prophecy is unable to be detected by scans anyways)

Maybe he really was scanned by someone else? Prehaps the head necro scanned him, and since it was infact the head necro he got that message.

[Coffee Warlord]

Maybe he really was scanned by someone else? Prehaps the head necro scanned him, and since it was infact the head necro he got that message.

OR, maybe he DID scan Lathum, he came up clean, and was trying to draw heat away from a clean scan.

Too many variables.

[Passacaglia]

thanks for pointing that out Pass, i looked it up on dictionary.com and found out i was spelling it wrong

No prob, bob.

[Coffee Warlord]

Oh. By the way, I haven't seen this brought up.

We now can be 99% certain that any "new" players brought into the game will be a bad guy. Since there's almost certainly not 2 mystics, there will be no Avatar.

[saldana]

Maybe he really was scanned by someone else? Prehaps the head necro scanned him, and since it was infact the head necro he got that message.

it would have had to have been the dreamweaver...he would be able to search for the seer, which would have been unique...if the regular search for necro action made the person being scanned aware, we would be getting more reports of it than just one.

[saldana]

dola, just want to let you all know that i am not gonna be around at the deadline tonight, so if it ends up as a tie, i wont be able to move my vote.

[dubb93]

dola, just want to let you all know that i am not gonna be around at the deadline tonight, so if it ends up as a tie, i wont be able to move my vote.

Yea, same for me. I have to go to work here in about an hour and a half, but on the bright side I should be around in the morning to find out if I am dead or not.

IE I get off around the time the night actions are usually posted so don't be suprised if I sleep a large part of the game day away tomorrow.

[Barkeep49]

dola, just want to let you all know that i am not gonna be around at the deadline tonight, so if it ends up as a tie, i wont be able to move my vote.
Darn. We better hope it's not a tie :)

[hoopsguy]

Is he gone yet?

(looks around nervously)

VOTE SALDANA

Join the revolution!

[path12]

I've been out all afternoon and will be gone again for awhile.

Vote bulletsponge

It sucks that we learn nothing from votes today, since from the rules things could start happening tonight.....(or is that tomorrow? No time to check).

[dubb93]

UNVOTE BULLET

VOTE SALDANA

LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION!

[Passacaglia]

Hi Grammaticus! Ole Miss sucks!

[Grammaticus]

That's not nice

[hoopsguy]

Just how mad, on a scale of 1-10, do you think Saldana would be to return after the lynch and find the vote swing from 16-0 to him? :eek: :p

[hoopsguy]

Gram, would you like to join the revolution?

[Alan T]

lol

[Alan T]

So who do we have to kill to make the random lynch decision rules kick in?

[hoopsguy]

SirFozzie.

[Passacaglia]

That's not nice

Just kidding. Good luck in the Peach Bowl.

Hey hoops, didn't you have a BBCF dynasty going? You should join the FOFC-BBCF league! Illinois is open..

[hoopsguy]

Pass, I might be willing to do that although Illinois is a terrible job in that game. I'll catch up with you outside of this thread on this matter.

[dubb93]

Well crap, I saw a run on my arch-nemesis and had to join the revolution.......but wisdom has prevailed, I'll change my vote back to the one who I'm 99% sure is a nec.

UNVOTE SALDANA

VOTE BULLET

:hops off the revolution:

[dubb93]

So hoops....just how poisoned am I right now?

[saldana]

Just how mad, on a scale of 1-10, do you think Saldana would be to return after the lynch and find the vote swing from 16-0 to him? :eek: :p


i didnt say i wouldnt be here before the lynch deadline...i said i wouldnt be here AT the lynch deadline.....and my devious little mind goes to work on what my next game will be to contain the shittiest role in WW history.....

[Abe Sargent]

Werewolf: Stainz and Mainz. The people of Mainz are trying to protect themselves from their vicious Stainz.


-Anxiety

[saldana]

i didnt say i wouldnt be here before the lynch deadline...i said i wouldnt be here AT the lynch deadline.....and my devious little mind goes to work on what my next game will be to contain the shittiest role in WW history.....


i have been pondering a 24 based game......now playing the role of Kim Bauer - Hoopsguy - you are completely helpless and utterly stupid. you will continually put yourself in situations where your life is in danger, and will just sit there looking like a deer in headlights until your daddy comes to save you, except this time he doesnt show up, and you are taken off to be gang raped by 40 arab terrorists.

[dubb93]

I can think up some pretty crappy roles. PM me after the game.

[Blade6119]

I can think up some pretty crappy roles. PM me after the game.
I can think up a pretty legit sounding reveal ;)

[Lathum]

OK, just got home from work and got caught up.

A few simple thought after reading through some posts.

Alan, what the hell man! What is up with the witch hunt? You keep saying reveal. I never revealed anything, all I said was I got a feeling someone was watching me, I'm not even saying it was Blade, I don't know who it was!

Despite what Blade says I think I am a pretty good player, tell me what I have to gain by making a false statement like that so early in the game? I guess you could say it would keep me off the radar but at that point I wasn't on the radar. It just doesn't make sense.

As for Blades comments about who he would scan, all you need to do is go back to and werewolf game and his response is pretty obvious, his whole attitude about who he would scan could very easily be a cover to try and get information out of people.

[saldana]

I was thinking about a Survivor All Stars game, where each player has to role play a differnt player from Survivor all stars --- now playing the role of Sue Hawk - Hoopsguy - you are actually a really shitty player, and each day, the richard hatch character will cock slap you during the immunity challange.

[Lathum]

OK then, since the lynch is completely set in stone let's switch the discussion once again to who killed Blade...

Here is a theory. Lathum and Blade were going back and forth most of the day. Lathum is The Prophecy and killed Blade.
or Lathum is a normal villager and the prophecy takes advantage of the current situation to make Lathum look very bad.

[hoopsguy]

Saldana, I'm fine with the crappy role in a game. Less pressure that way, you don't worry about losing the game for your team and can play all out. So go ahead and have me be Jack Bauer's partner in the first hour who has the safety permanently stuck on his gun :D I'll have fun making up ten different fake reveals before I'm offed by the Arabs.

[dubb93]

I can think up a pretty legit sounding reveal ;)

I can think of many of them. I believe that to probably be my best werewolf quality. However in this instance my reveal was legit.

[Passacaglia]

How about a powerless role, where everyone else's victory conditions are to kill you?

[kingfc22]

Alright, just got home and I will try to catch up.

[dubb93]

or Lathum is a normal villager and the prophecy takes advantage of the current situation to make Lathum look very bad.

Truth be told, I think it was much more likely the scanning order went Lathum, Barkeep, and Bullet for Blade. However I don't understand why Barkeep wouldn't come out and reveal he got a PM unless one of you have something to hide.

In this instance I'm still more likely to believe you are lieing.

[dubb93]

How about a powerless role, where everyone else's victory conditions are to kill you?

Or a mute role, where you are not allowed to post and instead must send in votes via PM?

[hoopsguy]

Can only post in Enigma puzzles - by the time people figure out what you are saying we will have advanced two more werewolf games.

[dubb93]

Or, must create own thread in strategy forum. All of your posts regarding this game must be in that thread. Title of thread must be, "Breakaway Speed, impact in FOF?"

[dubb93]

Well crap, just realized the time. I need to be getting to work. Hope to see everyone in the morning. If I'm still around I will be doing a scan tomorrow. Hope everyone has been careful not to slip up ;]

[saldana]

Alright, just got home and I will try to catch up.


i'll give you the short short version

blades dead, he was the seer, everyone has voted for bulletsponge, people are getting suspicious of lathum....did i miss anything important

[saldana]

i'll give you the short short version

blades dead, he was the seer, everyone has voted for bulletsponge, people are getting suspicious of lathum....did i miss anything important


oh yeah, we have no idea how blade died

[kingfc22]

17. Blade6119 - Mystic, Day kill Day 4]

Seer.

Fuck me.

Uhh, holy shit.:mad:


Back to reading

[kingfc22]

And I have to go with this.

Vote Bullet.

Too much adds up especailly with all the things blade was saying about him.

[Passacaglia]

i'll give you the short short version

blades dead, he was the seer, everyone has voted for bulletsponge, people are getting suspicious of lathum....did i miss anything important

Personally, I'm not suspicious of lathum. I think Blade was just trying to convince people he's not the seer, with his comments about barkeep and dubb. I still think he scanned:

1. Lathum
2. Bek
3. bullet

I think Blade never needed to vouch for Lathum, since no one was suspicious of him. And with Bek, he didn't need to come out and say Bek was evil, since we were onto him already. But with bullet, he needed to push.

I could be wrong, since he pushed for bullet early, when there was a pretty good chance he could die anyway.

So my circle of trust, which is still flimsy: dubb, lathum, sndvls, chubby

[Barkeep49]

saldana that was a great cliffs note version. Too bad he didn't see it :)

[Blade6119]

did i miss anything important
Before i died i had lathum and saldana, and to some extent path, all riled up and ready to for one of my patented arguments. Cant forget that high point for today:D

[Barkeep49]

Well frankly I think Blade scanned me. Because I've posted a whole bunch of stuff and he didn't question any of it. Dubb? Same deal. When he revealed Blade was overall very calm about it. Seems to me like he would have had background on it else he'd have freaked out.

[Abe Sargent]

Agree w/ Barkeep

[kingfc22]

Anybody have any thoughts on what might happen if bullet does not turn up as a nec?

[Barkeep49]

Anybody have any thoughts on what might happen if bullet does not turn up as a nec?
Cry?

[Chubby]

I have no idea why bullet won't even try to defend himself, at least give something. Unless he's "favored by the gods" and is relying on that (hoops mentioned something about that with blade) he's f'd. My money is still on he's gotta be a necro

[saldana]

Before i died i had lathum and saldana, and to some extent path, all riled up and ready to for one of my patented arguments. Cant forget that high point for today:D


trust me, you have never seen me all riled up....and as far as me ommiting that from the synopsis, i though king would only want to read things that were new in the game, and you pushing peoples buttons is hardly new, now is it?:)

[Tyrith]

I think we deserve extra points if we manage to pull off a unanimous vote.

[Blade6119]

trust me, you have never seen me all riled up....and as far as me ommiting that from the synopsis, i though king would only want to read things that were new in the game, and you pushing peoples buttons is hardly new, now is it?:)
I have no idea what your talking about....everybody loves both me AND my playing style ;)

[Alan T]

Anybody have any thoughts on what might happen if bullet does not turn up as a nec?


I might be the only one here, but it wouldnt suprise me if bullet wasnt bad. I still stand by what I said that blade was reacting to the same things that I and others did on Bullet. Several of us had him on our radar, and I think Blade was pushing him to defend himself, typical blade fashion. I dont necessarily think Blade had privy info on him like he did on Dubb and Barkeep

[kingfc22]

I might be the only one here, but it wouldnt suprise me if bullet wasnt bad. I still stand by what I said that blade was reacting to the same things that I and others did on Bullet. Several of us had him on our radar, and I think Blade was pushing him to defend himself, typical blade fashion. I dont necessarily think Blade had privy info on him like he did on Dubb and Barkeep

The thing that keeps striking me is blade's talk about scanning "vets" and I'm having a hard time believing that he scanned bullet since he was so quiet. Guess we'll find out in 15 minutes or so.

[bulletsponge]

8 minutes now

[Alan T]

time check

[Chubby]

hmm what time is it?

[hoopsguy]

After the shocking and disturbing death of the Mystic Blade6119, the camp quickly falls in line with the vote of bulletsponge. This group has very rarely found common ground, but today each and every man is ready to personally slit the traitor's throat. Bulletsponge is marched before the statue of Osiris and you experience something amazing. The eyes of the statue begin to glow and a red burning light emanates from them directly into the chest of the now revealed necromancer. His clothing lights on fire and you can smell burning flesh as he screams in pain and begs for release. It does not come quickly, much to the satisfaction of the assembled Egyptians.

Night 4 has begun.

[bulletsponge]

still less painful than blades

[Alan T]

Hehe cool

[Chubby]

not a big surprise

[st.cronin]

st.cronin approves

[Abe Sargent]

Least surprising result of the game.


-Anxiety

[Barkeep49]

So why didn't we get his exact role?

[Blade6119]

dola, bek, if you turn out to be bad, you will be my new day one vote every game, even if you arent palying
I just stumbled upon this earlier in this game...i think someone made a promise they now must see through lol

[Lathum]

2 necros so far, not to shabby

[Abe Sargent]

Yeah, but you have to feel that the night killings are imminent

[Alan T]

hoops, with Bullet listed as just necromancer on the front page, does that mean he did not have any special role and was a generic necromancer, or is that just hidden info from us?

[hoopsguy]

Generic necromancer. I don't hide any aspect of roles in death.

[Tyrith]

The one thing this tells me is that, in all likelyhood, there isn't another initiate out there.

[Barkeep49]

Tyrith: I agree.

[saldana]

Generic necromancer. I don't hide any aspect of roles in death.
which means, if there are vanilla wolves, it is highly unlikely that they have duplicate roles...thus bek was probably the only initiate, and barkeep has an enchanted scarab

[saldana]

dola,tyrith beat me to it

[Lathum]

Alan- do you belive me now? No way is bullet going to come out and say he sensed something since he was a necro.

[Barkeep49]

So with this latest piece of information I no longer am promising to use my scarab tonight. And when I do use I will not say. Heck I might even pass it at some point if I think it'll do the villagers greater good.

[Alan T]

Alan- do you belive me now? No way is bullet going to come out and say he sensed something since he was a necro.

Well I feel better in that its more likely Blade -did- scan Bullet after all, which means that he m ight have been lying about you too... I'll think about it during night actions I suppose. Got to figure out what all happened today.

[Swaggs]

This is turning out to be an interesting story.

[SnDvls]

hell yes!!!!

[Alan T]

So interesting note, yesterday was a rare wolf vs wolf lynch votes... so what does that mean for those who voted for whichever? I doubt much since I doubt most of the bad guys knew Bek or Bullet were bad, much less both of them. Still interesting though!

[kingfc22]

Sweet. Another one bites the dust. The necs must be running around like a chicken with its head cut off.

I feel like a little kid sticking out my tongue and shouting "you can't get me". Hehe

[Barkeep49]

So interesting note, yesterday was a rare wolf vs wolf lynch votes... so what does that mean for those who voted for whichever? I doubt much since I doubt most of the bad guys knew Bek or Bullet were bad, much less both of them. Still interesting though!
And fortunately we nabbed an Initiate before he could do too much harm.

[Abe Sargent]

True that

[Coffee Warlord]

Hi Tyrith.

Guinness is good.

[Vince]

Good work guys. Where to go from here though? Here's where I'm sitting...

We posited early on that there were probably a fairly large amount of necromancers in this one, since they started with the disadvantage of not knowing each other. I think it's fair to say that we all thought there were around 5 bad guys. With two down, I think it's safe to say we're looking at 2-4 bad guys left. If we assume the attack on Path last night was legit, we know that at least one of them was acting independently as of last night, and that they probably didn't find anyone last night if they were trying to go out and make a kill. So who do we go after at this point?

First...Lathum has seemed to be the next choice for quite a few people, but I don't feel quite so strongly about him. Not sure why...I have no reason to trust the guy. I'm willing to go with Lathum tomorrow, but like I said, I'm not ready to jump in right now -- I'd like to see some more stuff first.

Second...I still want to hear a bit more out of Kingfc22 and Schmidty. I know they've had issues (work, kids, etc), and that's fine...I won't hold it against them. But with few people to work with (in terms of distrust), it's getting pretty easy to just go after the quiet guys.

Third...Sorry Anxiety -- I didn't realize you had contributed so much to the game already :)

Finally...I might be a tad suspicious of Alan T, now that bulletsponge is revealed to be a necromancer. After day 1, I posted something along the lines of "there are two people I'm pretty sure I can trust...or I've found two bad guys trying to find each other." Someone mentioned it (Alan actually, I think), but I really wasn't very sure of what I thought I had "found," so I didn't say anything about it. In this post...Well some of our tools are limited, but our goal is still the same as every game. We need to develop ways to enlarge our circle of trust. It will kind of be like dealing with terrorist cells this game when we catch a bad guy, there is no gurantuee they will have any knowledge of any other bad guy, so not as much to go on. However if we create a tight enough circle of trust that is bulletproof, its only a matter of time to find them.
The bolded part really jumped out at me, specifically "bulletproof." With a new player named "bulletsponge" in the game, I thought that Alan might be referring to the fact that he already thought he could trust bulletsponge. Here's my post for reference:...First off, I'm pretty sure that simply after reading through the thread that there are two people I can begin to trust already. Though with the fact that the bad guys don't know each other, maybe I'm picking up on bad-guy subtleties in trying to find one another. But I'm leaning more towards trusting them right off...I feel like I'm hosting the TV show Pictionary, but I have no cue cards, and the in-studio audience all has guns. Oh, and I left my bulletproof vest at home. Yeah, maybe I need to go back to bed.
The end part is my (admittedly) very lame attempt at being subtle and trying to figure out if I was right (Pictionary Host = Alan Thicke; Bulletproof Vest...yeah, like I said, retarded). No one seemed to pick up on it (at least that I could figure out), so I dropped it. But if there really was a link between Alan T and bulletsponge...

See, I'm getting so paranoid I'm grasping at MAJOR straws. Between this and Path's "Perfect Storm" (fake attack last night, fake scarab, he's really a necromancer idea I posted in post #1,713), maybe I should just stop talking and watch how things unfold.

[Chubby]

I'm off yo work, I'll be there until noon EST after which I'll be online for a little bit before i head to Rochester for a wedding (it's actually tomorrow but we're heading out today)

[dubb93]

Meanwhile.....Vince has gone completely apeshit.

[Qwikshot]

Meanwhile.....Vince has gone completely apeshit.

Conspiracy theories abound..still...I like the Alan Thicke part...:)

Two down...we need to determine the remaining number, I would venture to say if there is no night kill that they are less in number than we think...

[Alan T]

The end part is my (admittedly) very lame attempt at being subtle and trying to figure out if I was right (Pictionary Host = Alan Thicke; Bulletproof Vest...yeah, like I said, retarded). No one seemed to pick up on it (at least that I could figure out), so I dropped it. But if there really was a link between Alan T and bulletsponge...


I didn't catch your references at all. I'm not usually good at the subtle hint game. I usually miss all of them and don't make them. If you're worried about my allegiances with Bullet, you can go back and look over the last few days. I think I was the first one who actually tried to push people to look at Bullet and his eratic behavior. I got called out for it by several people asking why I thought it was any different than any other new player.

But I did vote for him 2 days in a row :)

[Qwikshot]

Everyone did vote for bullet right?

We may need to anaylyze by post numbers on that one, anyone volunteer?

[Passacaglia]

Schmidty was around a lot last night, chatting it up in other threads. Maybe he should make his way to this one?

[Barkeep49]

I believe I was the first one to do so after Blade's death. I know a couple others had done so before he died. I frankly don't think it's going to tell us anything as, again, the bad guys could likely not have known that bullet was bad.

[Alan T]

Everyone did vote for bullet right?

We may need to anaylyze by post numbers on that one, anyone volunteer?


yeah, everyone did vote for bullet. I don't think anyone was not going to after yesterday.

The day before I think almost everyone voted for either Bullet or Bek (both of which were wolves).. we could take a look and see which ones didnt that day (pretty low odds to not vote for either of them with) I suppose.. but I'm not sure what we will get out of either of those votes. After the last 2 days almost everyone has voted for at least 1 wolf, or in most cases 2 wolves.

[Qwikshot]

Well, he asked me to join his voting block and I did vote for Bullet after his 100% certainty.

I know Alan that you cautioned against putting such faith into him at the time, but like I said, circle of trust needs to be earned (especially with blade), so I was pretty confident that it was the best option to reduce uncertainty.

I just want to determine a posting link, to see if there is anything we can glean from it.

[Qwikshot]

Of course, I don't know if we should even be in discussion yet until after all night actions...I'm curious to see if anything occurred.

[Alan T]

Here is a list of people who did not vote either of the wolves two days ago:

blade, bullet, coffee, dubb, king, lathum, pass, saldana


Now here is a list of people who voted wolves both days AND 3 days ago voted Bek as well:
chubby, path, qwik, sndvls, tyrith

And Qwikshot and Sndvls actually have voted a wolf every day.

I'm just not sure how much this means to us though. I doubt if any of the first list was a wolf,that they would have known both Bek or Bullet were wolves much less both of them. Likewise I think most of the people who voted Bek for several days were doing so not because of his being a wolf, but simply because he was inactive.

[Qwikshot]

[QUOTE=Alan T]Here is a list of people who did not vote either of the wolves two days ago:

coffee, dubb, king, lathum, pass, saldana

Now here is a list of people who voted wolves both days AND 3 days ago voted Bek as well:
chubby, path, qwik, sndvls, tyrith

And Qwikshot and Sndvls actually have voted a wolf every day.
QUOTE]

Interesting list...let's break it down a little more

Discount blade, he's dead....

I'm concerned with saldana, we cannot vouch for pass's attack, lathum has been quite tempermental (I would be too with blade)...dubb is the sooth right? He got sun right, but he is a neutral position (or is he?)...coffee, I somewhat trust, but subject to change...and king has been dormant due to real life (of course bek was too) which leads me to Tangle who has been quite quiet and was blade's prior votes.

I think of the voting for wolves group, I trust sndvls and tyrith the most, path is pharaoh...chubby is sharp, but did gun for cronin.

It's an interesting picture coming to light.

[Qwikshot]

When I meant discount blade, he's dead, you had blade and bullet up there...they're dead, I want to determine motives on those still living.

[hoopsguy]

Three nights have passed without casualties. Back-to-back sacrifices of necromancers have left the group in high spirits; the enemy is clearly on the run. The storms which once raged outside have diminished, replaced by a spooky fog that is nearly impenetrable. And the most perceptive among you can feel ancient and powerful magic in the air ...

There is a chilling scream that comes from Passacaglia's quarters. The Egyptians gather quickly to find Passacaglia nearly cut in two. Coffee Warlord's body is also there, hanging from a noose and staring at all of you with lifeless eyes.

You do a quick check of numbers and find that there is a new person in the camp! Please welcome Fouts to the game, playing the role of (?)

Day 5 has begun.

[Passacaglia]

Coffee Warlord, I can't quit you.

[Qwikshot]

Uhoh, the fanatic failed...and we either have a mummy or an avatar on the loose...

the plot thickens...

[Alan T]

ok.. so Coffee was our good guy night killer and he killed Pass... who was also good so Coffee hung himself in shame.. Right?

Fouts would be either the avatar or mummy....


Soooo not sure what the avatar or mummy brings to this game, but it looks like we lost 2 good guys last night and it wasn't even the necro's fault.

[Barkeep49]

Well that sucks. Two good guys in one night.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm not, but didn't we decide that anyone brought into the game had to be bad? That since Blade is gone there can be no good guy brought in? As such I happily

Vote Fouts

[Alan T]

[QUOTE=Alan T]Here is a list of people who did not vote either of the wolves two days ago:

coffee, dubb, king, lathum, pass, saldana

Now here is a list of people who voted wolves both days AND 3 days ago voted Bek as well:
chubby, path, qwik, sndvls, tyrith

And Qwikshot and Sndvls actually have voted a wolf every day.
QUOTE]

Interesting list...let's break it down a little more

Discount blade, he's dead....

I'm concerned with saldana, we cannot vouch for pass's attack, lathum has been quite tempermental (I would be too with blade)...dubb is the sooth right? He got sun right, but he is a neutral position (or is he?)...coffee, I somewhat trust, but subject to change...and king has been dormant due to real life (of course bek was too) which leads me to Tangle who has been quite quiet and was blade's prior votes.

I think of the voting for wolves group, I trust sndvls and tyrith the most, path is pharaoh...chubby is sharp, but did gun for cronin.

It's an interesting picture coming to light.


I dont know how much I buy into votes meaning alot though right now. I had believed Dubb and Barkeep were cleared by what Blade had hinted, but like I said before I suck at the subtle game.. and with the Bullet death I now think I was probably wrong and he did indeed scan Bullet and not Dubbs or Barkeep. Also leaving the possibility open that he did scan Lathum after all.

[Alan T]

Well that sucks. Two good guys in one night.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm not, but didn't we decide that anyone brought into the game had to be bad? That since Blade is gone there can be no good guy brought in? As such I happily

Vote Fouts

oh you are right..

Vote Fouts

Cant be the Avatar with Blade dead.

[Qwikshot]

Can the mummy be killed by vote?

Both of the dead were ruling class...

[Alan T]

Can the mummy be killed by vote?

Both of the dead were ruling class...


no idea.. and I guess thats one way for path to have good job security...

[Alan T]

By the way, welcome to the game Fouts :)


I'll let you eat Schmidty if you tell us who summoned you!

[Coffee Warlord]

Coffee Warlord, I can't quit you.

I can quit me, though. :)

.....whooops.

[st.cronin]

st.cronin is concerned

[Qwikshot]

st.cronin is concerned

Is st.cronin a professional athlete? Because st.cronin knows that st.cronin knows werewolf, like st.cronin knows baseball, the sweet sweet of st.cronin's bat can knock any pitch, with the exception of st.cronin's pitch, out of the park, which was built by st.cronin, for st.cronin, in which st.cronin and all the little boys and girls of st.cronin, can reside in, abide in, confide in, the brilliant works that st.cronin provides, like miracles to which people can pray to the shrine of st.cronin, for st.cronin's healing properties, which are copyrighted by st.cronin for the expressed purpose of use on by st.cronin and those deem for, and by, and which of that expresses the true qualatative properies of st.cronin, but now st.cronin should sit back and watch, the glory that is st.cronin.

st.cronin thanks you, and st.cronin for this special st.cronin announcement...:D

[Qwikshot]

by the way, the above post should be done in the Rickey Henderson voice...

[st.cronin]

Let me just add that I have the utmost respect for Tom Brady.

[Barkeep49]

So on this day where I am at work completely by myself at work with only the barest of projects to complete, I have a feeling that this will be the slowest day of the game yet.

[Alan T]

Why slow? I think we have alot to talk about. I think the game has become very interesting.

Topics:

1) Are we sure that Fouts is the Mummy? (I think so)
2) Can we lynch the mummy, or does he have to be killed otherwise?
3) What does having the mummy in the game mean for us?
4) Did Blade actually scan Bullet, or do we think he was just going off of instinct like several of us (including myself) had been pushing for bullet for a few days.
5) Do we think Blade scanned Dubbs and Barkeep clearing them like I originally proposed, or do we think it more likely that he was putting up a front and scanned others possibly including Lathum?
6) Speaking of Lathum, how far do we trust his story about being scanned?
7) Several people have been pushing for Chubby for a few days, is he a legitimate threat? (I don't think so and explained why I thought Bullet was likely bad and Chubby wasnt 3 days ago)
8) Should I grow my hair out to look like Alan Thicke?
9) What of some of the veterans that have been laying low? People have brought up Schmidty and King a few times (I personally think Schmidty is playing a normal Schmidty game.. which isnt that good a thing always lol)
10) other candidates or suspicious people?
11) Anyone else have anything happen to them last night?

[Barkeep49]

What a great list of discussion questions.

My big thought was that this was a great day for Schmidty, and any others who like Schmidty are feeling overwehelmed, to catch up. I really want to hear from the guy.

[Qwikshot]

Why slow? I think we have alot to talk about. I think the game has become very interesting.

Topics:

1) Are we sure that Fouts is the Mummy? (I think so)
If Blade summoned the avatar would it still live if he were dead? If answer is no, then it's the mummy, or something to do with the prophecy
2) Can we lynch the mummy, or does he have to be killed otherwise?
I don't think we can, I think only the EG can whack him.
3) What does having the mummy in the game mean for us?
Mummy is bad for Egyptians, I'm wondering if he's got a 100% success kill rate unless he happens upon the EG
4) Did Blade actually scan Bullet, or do we think he was just going off of instinct like several of us (including myself) had been pushing for bullet for a few days.
I think he scanned him, but he also voted for Tangle, was Tangle a suspect, or voted merely because of absence?
5) Do we think Blade scanned Dubbs and Barkeep clearing them like I originally proposed, or do we think it more likely that he was putting up a front and scanned others possibly including Lathum?
I think he would've pushed more if it was Lathum, but I really don't know, seems wasteful to scan guys whom we thought were clear, but Blade playing like the crafty vet may have scanned repetitive players as opposed to rookies and unknowns
6) Speaking of Lathum, how far do we trust his story about being scanned?
It is odd, but I don't know, I haven't had the feeling of anyone viewing me
7) Several people have been pushing for Chubby for a few days, is he a legitimate threat? (I don't think so and explained why I thought Bullet was likely bad and Chubby wasnt 3 days ago)
He's consistently voted for baddies with the exception of Cronin which was a shot in the dark day one vote
8) Should I grow my hair out to look like Alan Thicke?
Yes, please do, doesn't he have some awesome chest hair too?
9) What of some of the veterans that have been laying low? People have brought up Schmidty and King a few times (I personally think Schmidty is playing a normal Schmidty game.. which isnt that good a thing always lol)
This is a game of blindness for everyone which I believe is to the villagers benefit because we haven't seen a successful night kill yet by a baddie, and the day kill means that the head necro is exhausting their powers...desperation, people!
10) other candidates or suspicious people?
Everyone is still a suspect because we don't know certain factors yet...is the prophecy good? how many baddies are we dealing with? are there traitors? we just had last night a case of friendly fire which is a setback for the villagers...I think though the odds are still good for victory
11) Anyone else have anything happen to them last night?
I had nothing occur out of the ordinary

btw Barkeep->TAG, You're IT!

[Alan T]

The reason I felt so strongly that Blade scanned Dubbs and Barkeep and actually still do is because it is common for players like them to be scanned plus it fit very well with what was happening in the game. Dubb had a reveal that could clear someone else and start a circle of trust, yet his reveal was one that we dont know is good or bad. It was pretty important to verify Dubb is on our side and thus mean Sndvls is good too. Scanning Dubbs in a sense meant clearing 2 people with one scan.

Scanning barkeep also made sense to me because by far he has been the most vocal in the game, plus he was having a run on him by people 2 days ago which made no sense to me before I pushed for people to vote for bullet (then later Bek was lynched). It would be good to clear someone so vocal, who had been getting alot of heat.

It feels like I am in the minority with this belief but still the more I think about it, the more it just makes sense that those two players should be scanned and in fact he hinted that he did scan them.

[hoopsguy]

To answer the question on the Mummy (and Avatar) role, remember that by voting for them you are bringing them to face justice at the hands of Osiris. Either of those roles can be lynched.

[Qwikshot]

The reason I felt so strongly that Blade scanned Dubbs and Barkeep and actually still do is because it is common for players like them to be scanned plus it fit very well with what was happening in the game. Dubb had a reveal that could clear someone else and start a circle of trust, yet his reveal was one that we dont know is good or bad. It was pretty important to verify Dubb is on our side and thus mean Sndvls is good too. Scanning Dubbs in a sense meant clearing 2 people with one scan.

Scanning barkeep also made sense to me because by far he has been the most vocal in the game, plus he was having a run on him by people 2 days ago which made no sense to me before I pushed for people to vote for bullet (then later Bek was lynched). It would be good to clear someone so vocal, who had been getting alot of heat.

It feels like I am in the minority with this belief but still the more I think about it, the more it just makes sense that those two players should be scanned and in fact he hinted that he did scan them.

I already had put them in the clear list because it was so elaborate.

good: dubb, sun, path, bar?
that's 4 of the 15 remaining, almost clearing 1/3 (I've excluded fouts)

[Swaggs]

The drama continues.

[Alan T]

To answer the question on the Mummy (and Avatar) role, remember that by voting for them you are bringing them to face justice at the hands of Osiris. Either of those roles can be lynched.


Cool thanks HOops. Which players left are necros btw?

[Qwikshot]

To answer the question on the Mummy (and Avatar) role, remember that by voting for them you are bringing them to face justice at the hands of Osiris. Either of those roles can be lynched.

interesting but troublesome, because we waste a day voting, this buys the baddies time, but we also eliminate a threat...

what say you all? and we don't entirely know if fouts is good/bad/or horrific?:eek: (horrific as something pertaining to the prophesy?)

[Qwikshot]

Cool thanks HOops. Which players left are necros btw?

Do tell, do tell, just a hint...pleeeasssse!:D

[Barkeep49]

Qwik: What are you talking about?

As to who Blade has scanned I haven't really commented since I am coming at it from such a biased point of view. Truth be told I think he scanned dubb and I, but since it's in my own self interest to say that I won't be arguing the point too hard one way or the other. It is, however, what I believe.

Why do we think the mummy can't be lynched? To me there is nothing in the rules that suggests that he can't be lynched. The fact that it is listed as a normal role suggests to me he can be lynched. I believe the thought was that we wouldn't know if the new player was good or bad. Except in this case we do know and should act accordingly.

[Barkeep49]

Damn. Beaten to the punch by hoops.

[hoopsguy]

The head necromancer has silenced me to keep me from giving hints.

Wait, if that is the case how did I just post this?

[Qwikshot]

Qwik: What are you talking about?

As to who Blade has scanned I haven't really commented since I am coming at it from such a biased point of view. Truth be told I think he scanned dubb and I, but since it's in my own self interest to say that I won't be arguing the point too hard one way or the other. It is, however, what I believe.

Why do we think the mummy can't be lynched? To me there is nothing in the rules that suggests that he can't be lynched. The fact that it is listed as a normal role suggests to me he can be lynched. I believe the thought was that we wouldn't know if the new player was good or bad. Except in this case we do know and should act accordingly.

Hey, it was vague to me...now it's clarified...

Vote Fouts

:kiss:

[Alan T]

interesting but troublesome, because we waste a day voting, this buys the baddies time, but we also eliminate a threat...

what say you all? and we don't entirely know if fouts is good/bad/or horrific?:eek: (horrific as something pertaining to the prophesy?)

unless its a hidden role which I was under the impression there wernt any. the only other role that it fits under is the mummy I think

[Barkeep49]

interesting but troublesome, because we waste a day voting, this buys the baddies time, but we also eliminate a threat...

what say you all? and we don't entirely know if fouts is good/bad/or horrific?:eek: (horrific as something pertaining to the prophesy?)
Frankly if Fouts is part of the Prophecy I think it's time for the Prophecy player to step forward. Otherwise the odds are overwhelmingly in favor of lynching the known bad guy. I mean I don't consider it a wasted day really as it's better then having an unstoppable force of evil running around.

[Alan T]

I feel bad for Fouts. Going to be lynched before he even jumps in the game..

[Alan T]

Frankly if Fouts is part of the Prophecy I think it's time for the Prophecy player to step forward. Otherwise the odds are overwhelmingly in favor of lynching the known bad guy. I mean I don't consider it a wasted day really as it's better then having an unstoppable force of evil running around.


Don't bring my ex-wife into this :(

[Barkeep49]

unless its a hidden role which I was under the impression there wernt any. the only other role that it fits under is the mummy I think
I have a feeling that the prophecy will do some kind of effect as well as opposed to bring in a player. I see yesterday's combustion of Blade as an example of the sort of thing we might expect from a prophecy.

[SnDvls]

vote Fouts

sucks to be the add in player at this point, but I feel it's pretty clear where the vote should go.

[Qwikshot]

Frankly if Fouts is part of the Prophecy I think it's time for the Prophecy player to step forward. Otherwise the odds are overwhelmingly in favor of lynching the known bad guy. I mean I don't consider it a wasted day really as it's better then having an unstoppable force of evil running around.

I concur and voted in support of the evidence...he is a danger and needs to face Osiris.

[Alan T]

I have a feeling that the prophecy will do some kind of effect as well as opposed to bring in a player. I see yesterday's combustion of Blade as an example of the sort of thing we might expect from a prophecy.


I was thinking something out of Bruce Almighty.. first the locust, next a monkey will pop out of someone's butt!

[path12]

Isn't the Prophecy the only hidden role? We don't know if that's good or evil.....of course if he's the Mummy we know.

I'd like to hear from him before throwing the vote out there. If he can communicate.

[Barkeep49]

Isn't the Prophecy the only hidden role? We don't know if that's good or evil.....of course if he's the Mummy we know.

I'd like to hear from him before throwing the vote out there. If he can communicate.
Well the Prophecy is a neutral role in the same way soothsayer is a neutral role. So of course he might or might not be in the game. And presumably the Prophecy will require some action to happen before the person gains any powers, or triggers whatever even Hoops has planned.

While I wouldn't mind hearing from the prophecy I also don't think he needs to reveal himself, if he's out there, at this point.

[Qwikshot]

Well the Prophecy is a neutral role in the same way soothsayer is a neutral role. So of course he might or might not be in the game. And presumably the Prophecy will require some action to happen before the person gains any powers, or triggers whatever even Hoops has planned.

While I wouldn't mind hearing from the prophecy I also don't think he needs to reveal himself, if he's out there, at this point.

If it's Christopher Walken were in trouble...

[Barkeep49]

If it's Christopher Walken were in trouble...
I was thinking that if it's Keanu Reeves we're in trouble. So who is the Keanu Reeves of FOFC WW I ask myself :)?

[st.cronin]

I was thinking that if it's Keanu Reeves we're in trouble. So who is the Keanu Reeves of FOFC WW I ask myself :)?

jbmagic?

[st.cronin]

dola - I just read that as "the Keanu Reeves of FOFC", and missed the WW.

[Lathum]

K, so I have to admit I am a little surprised that the fouts bandwagon has started so blindly and quickly without any discussion of other theories, well I have one.

I belive there are 2 seers and fouts is an avatar. In a game this size it wouldn't be unheard of or it may be possible blades powers were transfered to someone else. I'm not saying we shouldn't vote for fouts but I think it's possible that he is an avatar and we are barking up the wrong tree.

I understand the obvious choice is Fouts but I am pretty sure we will be mistaken.

[Barkeep49]

K, so I have to admit I am a little surprised that the fouts bandwagon has started so blindly and quickly without any discussion of other theories, well I have one.

I belive there are 2 seers and fouts is an avatar. In a game this size it wouldn't be unheard of or it may be possible blades powers were transfered to someone else. I'm not saying we shouldn't vote for fouts but I think it's possible that he is an avatar and we are barking up the wrong tree.

I understand the obvious choice is Fouts but I am pretty sure we will be mistaken.
Ok so here's the part I'm missing:
If there are two seers, something I'm certainly willing to entertain, WHERE ARE THE NECROMANCERS ADVANTAGES?

This is the problem that has been plaguing me since Day 1. I mean the bad guys start off with disadvantages that they don't have in any other game. So what evens the playing field? Lathum if what you're saying is true then that's even MORE help for the good guys.

This is a question I've been asking since Day 1 and if we're to believe Lathum, I think a good answer is required.

[saldana]

K, so I have to admit I am a little surprised that the fouts bandwagon has started so blindly and quickly without any discussion of other theories, well I have one.

I belive there are 2 seers and fouts is an avatar. In a game this size it wouldn't be unheard of or it may be possible blades powers were transfered to someone else. I'm not saying we shouldn't vote for fouts but I think it's possible that he is an avatar and we are barking up the wrong tree.

I understand the obvious choice is Fouts but I am pretty sure we will be mistaken.


i doubt we would have started the game with 2 seers...it would be too unbalancing if we could clear people AND summon our superbeing at the same time, or do double scans every night

as far as the second part of your idea, there hasnt been enough time....if someone inherited blades powers they would need 3 nights to summon the avatar, especially since we know (or believe we know) that blade was making scans,not resting.

vote fouts

[Barkeep49]

Let me dola:

I only believe Lathum if he's claiming to be the other seer. I don't expect him to confirm or deny this but it's the only way I see this claim making sense. Otherwise it seems like a pretty obvious bad guy ploy which I have to think he's too good of a player to do in such a blatant manner.

[Alan T]

I have a really hard time believing Lathum's theory that there are 2 Seers and 1 happened to get an avatar out while the necromancer chose not to bring out the mummy...

I think if we are to keep things simple, its much more likely that its the mummy.

[Barkeep49]

Other thought: Lathum could not be the seer but could instead be brother with the seer. Still doesn't change my underlying question.

And even if what Lathum is saying is completely off base I still think we need to answer: WHere are the balancing powers to the bad guys? I know I was expecting every bad guy to have some sort of special ability. In bullet's case that proved to be simply not true. Is the balance that we're talking about a game that has an incrediblely high amount of bad guys to start?

[SnDvls]

have to agree w/ BK on this.

and to add...if we did have 2 seers and the necros got the propht on their side I still don't see it giving the game balance.

[saldana]

I have a really hard time believing Lathum's theory that there are 2 Seers and 1 happened to get an avatar out while the necromancer chose not to bring out the mummy...

I think if we are to keep things simple, its much more likely that its the mummy.


if we think about what has happened this game, i think its pretty obvious that the head necro had to summon the mummy

night one, no kill
night two, only one kill attempt (pass)
night three, only one kill attempt (path)
night four, no kill (except for CW killing pass, and hanging himself)

it pretty cut and dry to me that fouts must be the mummy.

and as far as feeling bad for him since he just got here, the same thing happened to me in CW's elementals game...i got brought back to life and killed again in the same day because it was obvious that the demons brought me back

[Alan T]

I have to guess the prophecy has his own winning condition and cant be counted as good or bad for us. Kind of like the elementals a few games ago... I dont think we will see the prophecy being on the bad guy's side.

[Barkeep49]

I think saldana lays out a good case for why Lathum is wrong. But can anyone present a case for where the necros advantage comes in? I hate to sound like a broken record but this to me is an important part of knowing hot to act, and use my scarab, in the days to come.

[Lathum]

dola-

I am going in a different direction. AlanT was quick to jump on Fouts, voted second I believe, then do what he always does when he is a bad guy, post alot of theories, suspect lists, voting patterns, etc... He is trying to look helpfull and really all he does is muddy the waters. He did the same thing last game and was a baddie and I think he is doing it again.

I also think he is bad because he was in support of me being scanned by blade, see post #1460, and #1462.

Right after blade was killed AlanT all of a sudden reverses fields and votes for me #1644. Why switch? I think he supported me in the first place to set me up. I argue with blade, blade gets killed, alanT suddenly suspects me after supporting me. Not to mention Bullet ( a known necro)had a couple of votes on him and was looking suspiscous so I think AlanT used whatever ability it was to kill blade in an effort to save bullet. Ordinaraly this would be a risky move, but if they had discovered each other it would make sense considering the necro's didn't do shit until last night.

I am 90% positive Fouts is an avatar and 99% AlanT is a necro.

VOTE ALANT

[Alan T]

Ok, so then when we kill Fouts and he is the mummy, we can lynch you next? :)

Remember I gave you the benefit of the doubt when no seer or anyone was coming out and saying you were lying that they didnt scan you. Once we saw that you were in a heated debate with the seer who came out and not only said you would be a poor choice for being scanned, but also pretty insulting about it.. it just felt too much to be some act.

It seems pretty clear you were caught in a lie, Fouts is the mummy and with the way you are acting, I wouldnt be suprised if you wernt the one who summoned it.

[Alan T]

Heck, I'm so sure now with the way you have been acting Lathum that I'll say if he ends up being the Avatar, I'll vote for myself first tommorow even

[Barkeep49]

Lathum: How is bullet being suspicious of Alan a bad thing for Alan?

[Barkeep49]

Heck, I'm so sure now with the way you have been acting Lathum that I'll say if he ends up being the Avatar, I'll vote for myself first tommorow even
GAH! I hate these pledges. I've been so happy to see self voting go out of vogue. Please do not bring it back.

[Lathum]

OK, to answer questions about my theory.

I would not be surprised if we started with a higher number of baddies then usual considering they need some time to find each other and we did get 2 in the firs 3 days which leads me to believe there is a higher number.

Another advantage could be something we don't know about ( see blades death)

Perhaps they alternate scans?

Perhaps there was an aprentice like in the Star wars games ( and yes I know in the Star wars game they needed time to learn the craft)

these are all just theories, I would hate to be lynched for being to quiet :)

[Lathum]

Heck, I'm so sure now with the way you have been acting Lathum that I'll say if he ends up being the Avatar, I'll vote for myself first tommorow even
I'll hold you to that

[Qwikshot]

GAH! I hate these pledges. I've been so happy to see self voting go out of vogue. Please do not bring it back.

I'll eat my hat if I vote for myself:D (in this game)

[Lathum]

Lathum: How is bullet being suspicious of Alan a bad thing for Alan?
can you point me to where buller was suspicious?

[Lathum]

dola-
bullet

[Alan T]

GAH! I hate these pledges. I've been so happy to see self voting go out of vogue. Please do not bring it back.


yeah, I don't like self votes either. I'm just trying to stress how important it is for people to not let Lathum bring doubt into this vote today. I honestly don't see any simpler solution than Fouts is the Mummy. We talked about it yesterday we talked about it today.. most other possible scenerios just seem to be stretches.

[Alan T]

can you point me to where buller was suspicious?


he was suspicious of me a few days ago when I started leading the charge against him for saying he was acting suspicious just like Im doing with you now

[Qwikshot]

Lathum: How is bullet being suspicious of Alan a bad thing for Alan?

That's easy...the whole throw off the scent thing...where a baddie in a bad position tries to throw suspicion off those he knows to keep them alive and continuing their nefarious plots..but I don't think the baddies know each other...I think there would be a lot more of us dead.

[Lathum]

So on this day where I am at work completely by myself at work with only the barest of projects to complete, I have a feeling that this will be the slowest day of the game yet.
trying to make sure that doesn't happen.
:)

and for those of you who have played with me many times you should know I usually am quiet the first few day while I develope theories then I get very active.

And my theories are usually correct, as is this one.

[Lathum]

off to work in the yard, I will probably be running in to refreash every 10 minutes.

[Alan T]

I'm not sure how much more I can debate this further honestly. I'm fully willing to see if your theory plays out.

I see it as you are caught on a limb because you claimed to be seer scanned earlier, and then we come to find the actual seer denied horribly that he scanned you.

So now you are creating a theory where there must be multiple seers now since that one didnt scan you, the other one must have. And that other seer must be the one who summoned the avatar... And Fouts isnt the mummy at all, but instead is an avatar.

The biggest flaw with that theory is if there was a second seer who did scan you , they wouldnt be able to summon the avatar due to needing 3 days to summon.

I am fully content with letting this play out now. If anything, I think you have dug yourself a hole today further for tommorrow's lynch.

[Chubby]

To clarify a point, If I'd known cronin was good I wouldn't have voted for him. I only voted for him since he voted for me when trying to help me and i didn't know who else to vote for so I never changed it.

This kinda stinks, I can't guarentee I'll be online later so I have to get a vote in now. The evidence presented is pretty good towards Fouts being the mummy, because of that I have no choice but to...

vote Fouts

I'm going to try really hard to get back online tonight, even if it pisses off my girlfriend... she can deal with it :)

[Barkeep49]

I'm going to try really hard to get back online tonight, even if it pisses off my girlfriend... she can deal with it :)
Spoken like a true Werewolf player! Excellent!

[Chubby]

In Lathum's possible defense is it possible that the Dreamweaver scanned him (to see if he was the seer) and that's why he got that message?

That said, I've been wary of Lathum's story from the get go and still am. I still think the smart move is to get rid of the probable mummy, Fouts, before he does any damage. I just can't at this time see how'd be could be the avatar with the seer dead.

[Qwikshot]

In Lathum's possible defense is it possible that the Dreamweaver scanned him (to see if he was the seer) and that's why he got that message?

That said, I've been wary of Lathum's story from the get go and still am. I still think the smart move is to get rid of the probable mummy, Fouts, before he does any damage. I just can't at this time see how'd be could be the avatar with the seer dead.

I suppose it's possible, but what was spent on the remaining nights?

[Abe Sargent]

Ok so here's the part I'm missing:
If there are two seers, something I'm certainly willing to entertain, WHERE ARE THE NECROMANCERS ADVANTAGES?

This is the problem that has been plaguing me since Day 1. I mean the bad guys start off with disadvantages that they don't have in any other game. So what evens the playing field? Lathum if what you're saying is true then that's even MORE help for the good guys.

This is a question I've been asking since Day 1 and if we're to believe Lathum, I think a good answer is required.


Maybe there are more Necs than we think? That's why we were lucky?

-Anxiety

[Chubby]

I suppose it's possible, but what was spent on the remaining nights?

I have no idea, I'm just throwing something out becuase it crossed my mind. I pretty much agree with Alan T when he said he feels Lathum is just digging himself a deeper whole for tomorrow's vote. I've been and still am distrustful of Lathum, his story and odd fascination with voting for me every day have certainly contributed to it along with Blade saying he didn't scan Lathum.

I don't know how bad seer scans have worked in past games, that's why I asked :)

[Abe Sargent]

Dubb, we're all waiting on you to use yoru super magical powers.

-Anxiety

[Chubby]

K, I'm off. I'm going to try my hardest to find some kind of internet access. I doubt the hotel will have a business center but I'll be content with a Kinkos or something where I could hop on for a few to catch and change my vote if needed (but I'd be surprised if that happened at this point with the evidence the way it is)

[saldana]

Maybe there are more Necs than we think? That's why we were lucky?

-Anxiety
i was thinking this too for a while, that maybe we started with 6 or even more, but i think if that were the case, we would have had more night kill attempts...especially after seeing 2 go down in 2 straight days...i would think they would have been in a bit of a panic mode and would have tried to kill someone, except for the fact that they had something better to do (summon fouts)

[Schmidty]

Ok, just caught up (yet again).

It's pretty clear to me that if fouts is the Mummy (and he probably is), we need to take him out ASAP.

Vote fouts

[SnDvls]

i was thinking this too for a while, that maybe we started with 6 or even more, but i think if that were the case, we would have had more night kill attempts...especially after seeing 2 go down in 2 straight days...i would think they would have been in a bit of a panic mode and would have tried to kill someone, except for the fact that they had something better to do (summon fouts)


You would think that if they started out w/ 6 and only 2 attempts at night kills and 2 down that there would have been multi attacks last night knowing their backs were against a wall and they haven't found eachother yet. I still feel there are only 3 necros left and the prophet that we should be worrying about. along w/ fouts today

[Lathum]

When my theory proves true I want you all to remember AlanT's witch hunt against me when we vote tomorrow. If I live through the night action because I am sure alan will be coming for me.

[Lathum]

dola- He does this every game. AlanT and I always seem to get locked up and I have a number of tells on him and am usually correct about him.

[Lathum]

also we need to start worrying about the ruling class and who replaces them.

[Alan T]

dola- He does this every game. AlanT and I always seem to get locked up and I have a number of tells on him and am usually correct about him.

Was my tells this game trying to get people to go after Bullet and then after you and your mummy? :)

[Alan T]

dola...

Its usually easy to try to cast suspicions on people who have ended up as bad guys alot. I find it hard sometimes to trust Sndvls for that reason.. But its impossible for anyone to be a bad guy every game. I'm fully content in seeing how your strategy plays out today lathum.

[SnDvls]

also we need to start worrying about the ruling class and who replaces them.


you mean the fact that I wanted to know who Swaggs replacement was 2 days ago!!!!

now we have now clue about it and we could have know at least one person.

I declare that they come out today. They are in too much unknown power at this point for us not to know them now.

[SnDvls]

I find it hard sometimes to trust Sndvls for that reason.


I knew I was getting a raw deal...damn you WW mods!! DAMN YOU!!! :D

[path12]

also we need to start worrying about the ruling class and who replaces them.

No we don't. And that's all I have to say about that for now.

[Lathum]

Was my tells this game trying to get people to go after Bullet and then after you and your mummy? :)
mummy, lol :)

if you mean voting for me then switching to bullet once you realized he was a goner based on blades statement thus giving you the perfect cover by saying "I can't be a necro I voted for bullet early"

trust me, if you aren't a necro I'll send blade a bouquet of flowers.

[Alan T]

I voted for bullet the day before, put together a case for him acting funny and said all day Bullet was my top pick for the day yesterday before you and the Seer had a shouting match :)

In fact I chose to vote Bullet since I felt he was a necro over Bek because I thought he was just an easy vote out as being inactive. I didnt realize both were necros

[Lathum]

I voted for bullet the day before, put together a case for him acting funny and said all day Bullet was my top pick for the day yesterday before you and the Seer had a shouting match :)

In fact I chose to vote Bullet since I felt he was a necro over Bek because I thought he was just an easy vote out as being inactive. I didnt realize both were necros
which is the perfect cover for you being a necro, especially if there are a larger number then usual thus making bullet expendable and giving you a free ride.

Alan, when are you going to learn that I never get involved in something like this unless I am pretty sure I am correct :)

[Alan T]

which is the perfect cover for you being a necro, especially if there are a larger number then usual thus making bullet expendable and giving you a free ride.

Alan, when are you going to learn that I never get involved in something like this unless I am pretty sure I am correct :)


I guess I'll learn after we lynch :) I'm pretty much assuming already that I'm a goner tonight which is fine because I don't have any special role for the egyptians. But this has been fun none the less today :) (And barkeep thought it would be slow!)

[bulletsponge]

*voice from the grave*

Hehe. this is getting interesting

[Barkeep49]

Lathum, Alan, I'm guessing both of you are mighty safe tonight regardless of how Bullet's lynch turns out. So sleep soundly tonight.

[Lathum]

Lathum, Alan, I'm guessing both of you are mighty safe tonight regardless of how Bullet's lynch turns out. So sleep soundly tonight.
why is that? because the necro's will take advantage of the fact we are taking the attention from them?

[Barkeep49]

why is that? because the necro's will take advantage of the fact we are taking the attention from them?
Because regardless of how the lynch goes you both would likely have your voters tomorrow. If you're both Egyptians the necros won't want to mess with that. If you're half and half the necros won't want to kill off the Egyptian side of that and if you're both necros well then who's going to kill you?

[kingfc22]

Just caught up again. This game is crazy for how fast it grows.

1. Way to go CW.:mad: Not only did you kill one of us, you ended up killing yourself in the process.

2. So far we have had 3 ruling class members die and IIRC hoops said that the replacements were limited. So do we still have 3 at this point or do we have 1 or 2? Do we care, since the growing opinion is that path is good.

3. Fouts. He is 99% the mummy in my book. Like BK said, I don't see how two seers would balance this game. Especially since the necs have to find each other. Which I don't think they have because they would have surely killed someone by now. We have gone 4 night phases without a night kill which has to be a WW record. (congrats to hoops on that one)

4. As far as AlanT is concerned. He is still sitting in the middle of my list.

[kingfc22]

oh yea

Vote Fouts

[dubb93]

OK, I'm here and caught up. Now taking applications for phrases to check. If you have something you REALLY want checked now is the time to throw it out there.

[Barkeep49]

Can you give me a couple minutes? I can likely come up with some I wouldn't mind being checked. Also could you scan the statements of dead people? Might be useful to scan something Blade said.

[Barkeep49]

While not definitive perhaps Lathums post of "I belive there are 2 seers and fouts is an avatar." would be useful?

I really think testing blade's assertion that he would test dubb and me first would be the best except that can we trust dubb to come back with an honest answer about that one?

[dubb93]

Also could you scan the statements of dead people? Might be useful to scan something Blade said.

I really don't know, hold up.

[Barkeep49]

To be honest looking through today I don't see a ton of scannable stuff. Must things are opinions which are likely to be true, even if wrong (that is the person believes that so and so is guilty).

So perhaps something between Alan and Lathum though nothing jumped out at me?

[dubb93]

To be honest looking through today I don't see a ton of scannable stuff. Must things are opinions which are likely to be true, even if wrong (that is the person believes that so and so is guilty).

So perhaps something between Alan and Lathum though nothing jumped out at me?

I'd say Alan and Lathum are my top two most likely to be scanned. I'll probably try and dig into the thread and find something, unless they would be so kind as to throw something out there.....

[Lathum]

I guess I'll learn after we lynch :) I'm pretty much assuming already that I'm a goner tonight which is fine because I don't have any special role for the egyptians. But this has been fun none the less today :) (And barkeep thought it would be slow!)
this is an example of one of Alan's tells and this one is quiet clever. Knowing dubb could scan again today he chose his wording wisely by saying he has no special role for the EGYPTIANS instead of just saying I have no special role, that way if that statement was scanned it would come up clean.

[dubb93]

Is there anyway to search for just one persons posts in a certain thread?

[Alan T]

this is an example of one of Alan's tells and this one is quiet clever. Knowing dubb could scan again today he chose his wording wisely by saying he has no special role for the EGYPTIANS instead of just saying I have no special role, that way if that statement was scanned it would come up clean.
:rolleyes: With as many times as I've posted in this thread, I'm pretty sure there is something Dubbs can scan of mine if he wanted to. You can probably guess I have been less worried about having my words scanned than people who stay quiet.

[Alan T]

Is there anyway to search for just one persons posts in a certain thread?


I have tried to figure that out too, but never been able to. There is a Search this thread box, but when I put someone's name in, I dont think it catches all of their posts.

[path12]

Has anyone seen Fouts in the thread today?

Vote Fouts

[Lathum]

maybe this will help

there was an avatar summoned last night by a player still alive in the game.

[Barkeep49]

Is there anyway to search for just one persons posts in a certain thread?
Not easily but yes.

Under search choose search posts by a user and then limit it to threads with at least 1950 replies and then have it display posts rather then threads.

[Barkeep49]

maybe this will help

there was an avatar summoned last night by a player still alive in the game.
See this isn't useful unless you summoned the avatar. Dubb's scan only tests whether the person believes it to be true, not whether it is true.

[Lathum]

See this isn't useful unless you summoned the avatar. Dubb's scan only tests whether the person believes it to be true, not whether it is true.
ahh, i understand

[Lathum]

Soothsayer: this person can review two statements as true/false over the course of the game. May only be used once every three days. GM note - I will be a stickler on what is legitimate use of this power. There is no reason for everyone to CYA with "I am not a necromancer" at the start of the game to avoid detection by Soothsayer.

where does it say believes?

[Barkeep49]

where does it say believes?
Dubb talked about it when he used it the first time.

[dubb93]

where does it say believes?

It doesn't, but my last scan led me to believe that is how it worked as I didn't get a "true/false" I got the person's thought process into making the post.

Also, I'm allowed to scan dead people's posts.

[Alan T]

It doesn't, but my last scan led me to believe that is how it worked as I didn't get a "true/false" I got the person's thought process into making the post.

Also, I'm allowed to scan dead people's posts.


If so, then I think it would be useful to find out if Blade was telling the truth about not scanning Lathum, or if he did indeed scan Dubbs and Barkeep like he said. My entire arguement about Lathum was based on that, and he pretty much took the bait, has been ultra defensive and came out with all kinds of crazy theories since then.

[dubb93]

I just want to emphisise that in no way do I want the seer to try and come out. I am nothing but a plain villegar but I know we have some first timers playing and I would hate for them to make a key...

post 591--Lathum

[Barkeep49]

Ok then. How about where Blade says he didn't scan Lathum?

[dubb93]

Really nothing else on Lathum. He's been very careful since I claimed soothsayer.

[dubb93]

Ok then. How about where Blade says he didn't scan Lathum?

Find it, I'm looking through Alan T's posts right now.

[Barkeep49]

If this wasn't dubb scanning I would want the dubb/BK scan line done, but since dubb is self interested in those results I think Blades comment about Lathum or the line dubb dug up about Lathum are our best bet.

[Alan T]

Find it, I'm looking through Alan T's posts right now.


If you want me to say something for you to scan, just say so. No need to have to search. :)

[Barkeep49]

Ok found 14 posts by Blade about Lathum. Am loading them now in tabs to see what we can find.

[Barkeep49]

Post 1548 is a gold mine and only the second one I looked at "As for lathum, i honestly have no read on him."

[kingfc22]

I like post #591 as the one dubb should view. If Lathum's post comes up false do we then believe that he is an egyptian with a role or the head necro trying to get us to believe that fouts is really the avatar and not the mummy?

[kingfc22]

I like post #591 as the one dubb should view. However, if Lathum's post comes up false do we then believe that he is an egyptian with a role or the head necro trying to get us to believe that fouts is really the avatar and not the mummy?

dola should have read "however"

[hoopsguy]

Actually, I would encourage a search for an earlier post. This is where I was concerned about the soothsayer, when it becomes a bully pulpit to force a player to say something they know is not true. So if you make Player A state "I am not a necromancer" then I'm not going to allow that to be scanned.

However, if over the course of the game Player A decides he needs to lie at some strategic point (it is almost impossible to NEVER lie as a bad guy and even good guys often deviate from the truth to advance their cause) and the soothsayer picks it out then I want him to benefit from this.

I know this is a subtle distinction, but it is the basis for statements I will allow to be scanned.

[Lathum]

dubb, i'm not trying to talk you out of anything but I also don't want you to waste your ability. I am not claiming blade scanned me, or anyone else for that matter, I said I sensed something.

If you want to validate my story wait for tonight's lynch. If it is a mummy then I accept my fate.

[Lathum]

dola- when I say anyone else I mean anyone else scanning me such as another seer, necro, etc...

[Barkeep49]

Ok how about something different? How about this one from path:

I would certainly appreciate that. :D

Just getting here and am catching up. Based on all the information I have (which isn't a lot), the Pharaoh is good.

Knowing that the Pharoah is good seems like a good thing to know at this poitn.

[dubb93]

dubb, i'm not trying to talk you out of anything but I also don't want you to waste your ability. I am not claiming blade scanned me, or anyone else for that matter, I said I sensed something.

If you want to validate my story wait for tonight's lynch. If it is a mummy then I accept my fate.

Yes, but now I'm at the point where Alan is willing to be scanned and you are trying to weasle your way out. I said earlier, I'd be happy with two clean scans an equal amount as I would 1 clean and 1 nec. I'm more of a circle of trust kind of guy than I am a hand me a free nec kind of guy.

[Lathum]

I think the whole Me-AlanT-Fouts thing will play out very soon regardless since Fouts is a foregone conclusion, I think you may want to pick through someone else.

[Vince]

Ok...has no one considered the possibility that Blade might not have had to be alive to summon the Avatar? If he started on night 2 (would explain the lack of other people being watched, like Lathum did on night 1 or whenever), he would have gotten two nights in (out of three required), and it doesn't say that he has to be alive...just that he has to give up seeing for three days.

Just throwing that out there...I think the advantage of an Avatar isn't enough to overcome the potential badness of a Mummy. Combine that with the fact that it seems that there is no sacrifice on the part of the head necromancer to summon the mummy, and it just happened to be summoned on the first day it's available, and it looks like Fouts has to be the mummy.

Hey Hoops, does Fouts happen to be wrapped in all sorts of bandages? :)

[Lathum]

go ahead and scan me.

[kingfc22]

Knowing that the Pharoah is good seems like a good thing to know at this poitn.

Especially since the ruling class has seemingly been eliminated.

[hoopsguy]

Fouts looks like Fouts, whatever the heck that looks like :)

But he is kind of shambling from side to side with his arms out in front of him. It is weird that both Avatar's and Mummy's walk like that, isn't it?

[Vince]

Ok how about something different? How about this one from path:



Knowing that the Pharoah is good seems like a good thing to know at this poitn.

I would support this move, but my crazy-ass conspiracy theory says that he's going to come up a bad guy no matter what.

[Lathum]

btw- reverse psycology on alant's part.. Alan is a necro.

[Vince]

Fouts looks like Fouts, whatever the heck that looks like :)

But he is kind of shambling from side to side with his arms out in front of him. It is weird that both Avatar's and Mummy's walk like that, isn't it?

Jerk :)

[dubb93]

I think the whole Me-AlanT-Fouts thing will play out very soon regardless since Fouts is a foregone conclusion, I think you may want to pick through someone else.

How are you so sure Fouts is an avatar? I don't see how it matters what Fouts is as it plays into you and Alan. Alan seems to want him dead while you want him alive. Alan is siding with the entire group, how can you just single HIM out.

[Vince]

I would support this move, but my crazy-ass conspiracy theory says that he's going to come up a bad guy no matter what.

Even disregarding my WHOLE theory, Path has gone on record as saying he used a scarab. He's also gone on record as saying he was attacked, when a good scarab supposedly stops an attack from happening in the first place (not letting someone into your room). That would lead me (and everyone, I'd assume) to believe that he used a cursed scarab, which will change what he looks like in a viewing. Do we know if that affects the soothsayer's role? So what are we going to do if dubb uses his soothsayer role on Path, and he seems to be lying about the Pharaoh being good?