Werewolf XLV - ROME! (Game over, post 3425)

[st.cronin]

Deadline less than 40 minutes away.

[Coffee Warlord]

This game is gonna give me a migraine trying to analyze any of this mess.

[Autumn]

It seems there's nothing more this senator can do here today. I am eager to wake tomorrow and see the results of our republic's courts, and anything more we might learn.

[Coffee Warlord]

Hey cronin, are we gonna have results processed this evening, or tomorrow?

[st.cronin]

Hey cronin, are we gonna have results processed this evening, or tomorrow?

Results will be processed immediately, and Day II will begin. I have most of the results typed up already, just waiting on last minute changes.

[Grammaticus]

which is exactly the problem...you are supposed to be loyal to the people of rome, not the senate

Patricians are people of Rome. They are of a higher class than the plebs. They are from families of original Roman (or old Roman) heritage. At the time of the shift to Republican rule, I believe the plebs had only one senator and the rest all represented the gentile patricians. So basically we all represent the people of Rome. Just some are more eqaul than others. :)

Much later on I think there were more Plebean senators.

[Grammaticus]

So, does anyone else think of UNLV Basketball and an old bald headed guy when they see the word Tarquinians?

[Poli]

Cronin, there's a hat in it for you if I win my lawsuit.

[st.cronin]

deadline

pms go out next, then I'll post the status and begin day II.

[st.cronin]

Santus Cronus addresses the Senate:

Senators, nobles, citizens of Rome.



Non sumus sub rege: sibi quisque se vindicet.



Like all of you, I am justly proud of our newly established Republic. I am optimistic about our future. May our glory never wane!



It is my sad duty, however, to inform you that I have discovered an evil conspiracy amongst us, a conspiracy whose goal is to restore the Tarquins. These conspirators know that us proud, noble Romans would never allow such a thing to happen peacefully. It is my belief, therefore, that what they have planned is nothing less than a massacre of the Senate. It must be their belief that if they slaughter enough of us, the survivors will be too grateful at having been spared to protest at all.



We must not let this happen. We must not allow them to sow fear and distrust in our ranks.



Before I retire, I will give you the names of the conspirators that I have uncovered. First, ...

At that moment, Santus Cronus keels over, dead - he has been poisoned!

[st.cronin]

The first Consuls of Rome are:

Alanus Teeus
Westvus Fanus
(their term will end upon completion of day 2)

The Tribune of the Plebs is:

Saldanus Lathumus (this is a lifetime appointment)

The best lawyer in Rome is:

Swaggus Swaggus

And the second best lawyer in Rome is:

Ardentus Enthusiastus

The following lawsuits are scheduled to be heard by the courts today:
KAYUS WHITUS SUES ALANUS TEEUS
ALANUS TEEUS SUES HOOPUS GUYUS
HOOPUS GUYUS SUES AUTUMNUS LEAVUS
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus Sues Ironsus Headus
DADDYus TORGOus SUES WESTVUS FANus
Autumnus Leavus Sues Westvus Fanus
AUTUMNUS LEAVUS SUES SALDANUS LATHUMUS
Ardentus Enthusiastus sues Swaggus Swaggus
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus sues Saldanus Lathamus
ANXIETUS ABEUS SUES DADDYUS TORGOUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES WESTVUS FANUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES SALDANUS LATHUMUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES SWAGGUS SWAGGUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES ARDENTUS ENTHUSIASTUS
Grammaticus Atticus sues Autumnus Leavus
Neon Chaos sues Barkeep
PEREGRINUS sues PATH12
Kayus Whitus sues bulletus spongeus
snus dvls sues kayus whitus



The following Senators are in jail on suspicion of Treason:
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus


The wealthiest men in Rome are:

Bulletus Spongeus
Dodgus Erchickus
Imus Thecrewus

The following Senators are known to be extremely wealthy:

Coffeus Yakus Warlordus
Ironsus Headus
Lonestarus Girlus
Marcus Vaughnus
Schmidtyus Schmidtyus

The following Senators are known to be moderately wealthy:

Abeus Anxietus
Antus Meisterus
Autumnus Leavus
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Pathus Twelveus
Peregrinus Barbarus
Snus Dvlus
Westvus Fanus

The following (remaining) Senators are of ordinary wealth for the Senatorial class:
Alanus Teeus
Ardentus Enthusiastus
Chiefus Rumus
Daddyus Torgous
Grammus Atticus
Hoopus Guyus
Kayus Whitus
Narcizus Lispus
Neonus Chaosus
Saldanus Lathumus
Swaggus Swaggus
Tyrus Ithus

Persons selling their services in the Forum

Maximus Maximus, ex-legionnaire
Vitus Avidus, ex-legionnaire
Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves
Macro Gothicus, barbarian turned citizen for his service during wartime
Balbus Senna, political philosopher from Corsica
Faustus Felix, owner of many horses
Bonus Oceanus, owner of many horses
and of course,
Swaggus Swaggus
Ardentus Enthusiastus

[Coffee Warlord]

So I'm the only person that's been arrested?

Interesting.

[st.cronin]

primer

If you did not recieve a pm regarding your bid, it means somebody else outbid you for your services. Lawyers will not know if they have been hired - their work must be kept confidential, and will only be revealed when they perform it, at the deadline.

Senators may place three votes today.

You may place 2 votes for Consuls. The current Consuls and Tribune are ineligible.

You may vote on Coffee Warlord's guilt or innocence.

[Coffee Warlord]

Consul and Guilty/Innocent are all public votes, yes?

[Alan T]

I would like to address my fellow Senators today, for it was I who placed Coffeus Yakus Warlordus under arrest. Today we as senators have a very serious decision ahead of us, for we hold a fellow Senator's good name in our hand. I placed him under arrest under a few bad feelings that I had about him, however I have no inside knowledge or understanding of his possible treachery at this point.

Like I stated before, I felt any inaction in my post would not only be anti-productive, but also almost criminal in failure to do my elected duty. I am very dissapointed that my fellow Consul, Westvus Fanus has chosen the course of inaction today, as it clearly limits our choices in removing the treasonous individuals from our ranks. I would hope that there might be senators among us that could dig deeper into the behavior of Senator Coffeus Yakus Warlordus and if they find anything that would indicate being disloyal to the republic our actions today will be clear. I would likewise urge the remainder of the senators to be cautious with our actions if no signs of his treason do appear.

I fully take the scepticism that might appear from my so called "hasty" arrest, but I had the need to find someone to put under early suspicion and for us to analyze. I do not take my post lightly and hope that it can be a conduit of good.

From what I understand, the Consuls can arrest someone and we theoretically could still have a lynch attempt today.

And no. I have no reason for my lawsuit aside from the fact that I want to be richer. Completely selfish reasons.

This early comment from the senator made me a bit worried that his actions were selfish in nature and not looking to further the republic.

Hmm. A thought hath occured to me. Can we have several people buy the other services today, in the hopes that whatever info they receive post-purchase can shed some light on just what the hell some of those do?

This comment while not coming out and stating he wanted people to announce what service they purchased, it seemed to start a bit of conversation that seemed to encourage that. I feel that would be a bad mistake to come out and state at this moment.

While I do agree that understanding what the different services provide us, for now we must hide some of that in the shadows in order to keep those who might be disloyal to our republic guessing at who is a safer target. I will be happy to share more information on what I do know later in the evening, but for now I would like to encourage others to not reveal just yet what service they did purchase.

[KWhit]

I think we need to know who had CF arrested, and who deemed it appropriate to sit back and let the Tarqs go unchecked by not arresting anyone.

[KWhit]

I am very disappointed in Westvus Fanus.

[Poli]

primer

If you did not recieve a pm regarding your bid, it means somebody else outbid you for your services. Lawyers will not know if they have been hired - their work must be kept confidential, and will only be revealed when they perform it, at the deadline.

Senators may place three votes today.

You may place 2 votes for Consuls. The current Consuls and Tribune are ineligible.

You may vote on Coffee Warlord's guilt or innocence.
If I don't get paid, there's going to be a fight.

[Poli]

I vote that Coffee Warlord is innocent.

[Poli]

By the way, I got my legionaire guy. He is a bodyguard that I can send to protect someone else as well.

No word on when his contract with me expires.

[Coffee Warlord]

Like I stated before, I felt any inaction in my post would not only be anti-productive, but also almost criminal in failure to do my elected duty. I am very dissapointed that my fellow Consul...

Going to respond to more of this, obviously, but I wanted to note that I'm happy you accused SOMEONE. We absolutely have to if we're going to accomplish anything.


This early comment from the senator made me a bit worried that his actions were selfish in nature and not looking to further the republic. (In regards to my reasoning for sueing Ironus)


I'll make no secrets about it. I fully want to try and make as much cash as possible, be able to secure the services of who I want. I have no other abilities except for being rather wealthy, and this is my plan to try and best serve the Republic. Right now, I know me, and only me, is the side of the Republic. If I make myself the richest, then I know we have that advantage.

For the rest, there's not much I can say. I still think the best course of action is to get the knowledge of what those things do out.

[Poli]

I'm about to go to bed, but I do want to explain why I'm voting for the Warlord's innocence.

The Warlord is playing like he has nothing to lose. In my experience with him, he does that when he's a normal citizen with nothing to lose.

[saldana]

i agree that someone had to be arrested...failure to do so is a disservice to the republic, hence i am quite disappointed in westvus fanus..we must burn the weeds to force the snakes from out midst

[Tyrith]

I think WVU might be a decent arrest target for Alan today because of the inaction.

Outside from what AE said I think lynching CW might not be a bad idea just to see what happens.

Generally clueless otherwise.

[Ironhead]

Well, well, well. It appears that the Senator pressing suit against me today has found himself in a bit of a predicament. For all that you claim I have wronged you Coffeus Yakus Warlordus, our Consul believes that you may have wronged the entire Republic. Despite the baseless accusations you have thrown at me simply to obtain my wealth, I am willing to give you the chance to defend yourself. Afterall this floor was made for words, not the common bloodshed of The Colosseum.

[saldana]

I think WVU might be a decent arrest target for Alan today because of the inaction.

Outside from what AE said I think lynching CW might not be a bad idea just to see what happens.

Generally clueless otherwise.

unfortunately, i think we need to execute CYW just to see what actual game mechanics come into play...we have very little understanding of what is going on thus far in terms of the lawsuits and the arrest/exections, so in order to help our cause, i think we have to vote to execute him...apologies to CYW for nominating him to be our sacrificial lamb, as there very little evidence against him.

[Alan T]

Well, well, well. It appears that the Senator pressing suit against me today has found himself in a bit of a predicament. For all that you claim I have wronged you Coffeus Yakus Warlordus, our Consul believes that you may have wronged the entire Republic. Despite the baseless accusations you have thrown at me simply to obtain my wealth, I am willing to give you the chance to defend yourself. Afterall this floor was made for words, not the common bloodshed of The Colosseum.

You evidentally did not pay heed to my comments. My arrest of him had nothing to do with his suit on you.

[Alan T]

I think WVU might be a decent arrest target for Alan today because of the inaction.

Outside from what AE said I think lynching CW might not be a bad idea just to see what happens.

Generally clueless otherwise.

My post does not allow me to arrest a fellow Consul. I will leave that decision on whomever replaces me tommorrow in this post.

[hoopsguy]

No night cycle, so we can launch right into analysis without any fear of reprecussion.

I'm hoping that someone will unearth a compelling reason to vote for arrest or execute sometime between now and tomorrow evening. It will be interesting to see how our foes bide their time while waiting for us to act on the Warlord. If they have the ability to massacre senators, when will we see this action? If we don't see action, how does that impact thoughts on the guilt or innocence of the accused?

For now, I wait ...

[Peregrine]

Murder! Murder in the Senate! We must put aside all talk of moderation, of gradually teasing out the identities of the traitors. Clearly they wish us all dead, and have abandoned all honor. We, the loyal few, must rally our forces and bring down the power of justice on these foul traitors!

As for the Senator currently under arrest, I will wait to deliver my vote, until I have heard more to sway me in either direction.

[Coffee Warlord]

If they have the ability to massacre senators, when will we see this action?

I think St Cronin dying by poison is a herald of what the traitors can do. No Day 1 kill, since we couldn't kill anyone, and now we'll be losing players.

[Ironhead]

You evidentally did not pay heed to my comments. My arrest of him had nothing to do with his suit on you.

Specifically related to his suit against me, no - and neither did I state so Consul. Merely expressing satisfaction that my accuser himself stands on trial. You yourself said "his actions were selfish in nature and not looking to further the republic." But this is more than just money - it is his life. Thus, as I stated ealrier, I am more than willing to hear him out.

[SnDvls]

Do we just bold our votes for consuls?

if so I vote Kwhit for consul

based on what he said when he checked in. It was almost word for word what I got so I would say he is on my trust list now and I can say with confidence that my suit against him will confirm that as well.

[Swaggs]

Sorry that I did not participate much today. I have had an absolutely rotten last few days and it is not getting any better.

I have caught up with the thread and know very little to this point--either about myself or the game mechanics.

The only real thoughts I have are:

That the lawsuits seem as if they will give us some information, even though we don't know the cost, so we should probably keep several queued up each day. I know it is shocking for a lawyer to make this comment. :)

And...that, unfortunate as it may be for him, we should probably vote CW as guilty to see what happens as far as information revealed and what game dynamics take place. There are a lot of great players in this game and CW is high among them, but just like first day votes, this is likely something that we just have to do.

[Barkeep49]

Vote to execute CW

As I am wont to point out in this game, knowledge is the advantage of the wolves. We gain knowledge through voting records and the people who die as a result. I wish there were two choices today, as I feel OK about CW, but since there's not I will vote that way.

I will also, at this time, announce my interest in the Consulship. My families lineage is among the finest in this city and you can count on me to look out for all of our best interests and to fully utilize the office presented to me, to ensure that we find the evil festering in this city.

Vote Barkeep49

My other vote for consul will be forth coming based on who else proves to be a candidate that I can trust.

[Tyrith]

VOTE KILL CW

Sorry buddy, but we have to see what happens.

[st.cronin]

WVUFan has asked to withdraw.

[st.cronin]

By the way, I just want to remind everybody:

There is NO penalty for bidding on services.

[hoopsguy]

WVUFan has asked to withdraw.

What is the impact on our consuls? We have already missed a vote today, do we have an opportunity to fill this role for Day II? Or must we wait for the vote to fill the role beginning on Day III?

[st.cronin]

What is the impact on our consuls? We have already missed a vote today, do we have an opportunity to fill this role for Day II? Or must we wait for the vote to fill the role beginning on Day III?

If I don't get a replacement player in today, I'll allow the Tribune to temporarily assume the Consul's role.

[Grammaticus]

Is a Consuls term always 2 days?

[st.cronin]

Is a Consuls term always 2 days?

yes

[Abe Sargent]

I won a horseman, but I am not going to say what it does. I am only posting this so that if I need to check somebody out who also got a horse, the fact tha tI got one is known

[Swaggs]

This decision is easy to make, with only one choice available:

Vote to execute CW

Sad to say, but I am a fan of politics. I would like to see who is "running" for Consul and what they bring to the table. I will vote for who I like best in that regard and am already leaning toward voting for Barkeep, as I like that he came out and said he wanted it. An experienced wolf might do that, but I doubt it this early.

[Autumn]

I will keep watching events unfold, but at this time am not thinking I will vote to execute. It seems too likely to play into the traitors' hands, thinning our own ranks to execute blindly. I would like first to find the results of our lawsuits and see if we have any evidence to execute a known traitor.

Again, on our vote for consul I would like to vote for someone who has been cleared by lawsuits at least.

[Autumn]

On that note, when do we know the results of our lawsuits? Not until day two ends?

[st.cronin]

On that note, when do we know the results of our lawsuits? Not until day two ends?

Correct. Although there is little doubt to the outcome of most of them, the results will be posted along with all other Day II results.

[Narcizo]

Gah! Only getting one lynch candidate sucks. We want to establish some sort of voting pattern but that's a bit difficult when it's either vote for one guy or don't vote for anyone. Coffee is, in all likelihood, a villager but if we don't vote to execute him then we're right back at day one with nothing gained from the day. But with only one candidate there isn't the chance to build up two lynch candidates against each other, so I'm not really sure exactly what is to gain by going for an execution.

I don't like the fact that the wolves will be able to not bother casting a vote here and potentially get the result they're looking for (ie, no result). So if people don't want to lynch Coffee then I would very much like them to come out with an explanation and a formal vote rather than just not bother sending a vote. As we need an absolute majority decision (and my limited experience of WW tells me that that's very difficult to achieve) then we can't allow people to slip through the gaps and wind up with no result as a consequence. I'll be extremely suspicious of anyone who doesn't vote.

In the end I don't really think that we have much of a choice. We either do something or we let the wolves do what they want while we sit on our hands.

Vote to Execute Coffee Warlord

[Peregrine]

I see it differently. With enemies plotting to poison us, we're going to need all the loyal people we can on hand. We may not make any forward progress by not executing anyone, but we avoid any backward progress by not executing an innocent.

Let's hear from some more people about the mysterious services. Maybe there are things we can use to figure out who the bad guys are.

[Narcizo]

Peregrine, you're not supposed to edit your posts.

Your argument is the same as used about day one votes. "Chances are we will lynch a villager, ergo we shouldn't have a lynch." I think it's been pretty well documented that not doing anything is playing into the hands of the wolves. Of course, there's a chance that someone will be able to clear Coffee during the day in which case I will change my vote (if I'm still around - if I'm not I'm sure that there won't be a majority vote on him anyway). But barring any firm evidence on the matter we need to start gathering information now, and unfortunately the best way of doing that is by lynching.

[Narcizo]

I'd like to see a few more people nominate themselves for Consul. I think that will offer us another source of information based on who votes for whom to become Consul. I guess there's nothing to stop me voting for anyone but I'd rather vote for someone who actually wants the job. My leaning would be to vote for someone who is rich and is, therefore, likely to be able to hire a bodyguard. As with the Big City game I think the wolves have a vested interest in killing the Consuls and limiting our opportunity to take action. Again, I'll be regarding anyone not voting in the Consul election as being pretty suspicious - in a big game like this we need as many records of voting patterns as possible.

[Chief Rum]

I would like to lobby for the consul position. I am extremely disappointed in how things turned out for Westvus Fanus' arrest. Obviously, something has come up, and he has asked to be removed from the game, but this still nonetheless puts us in a bad spot.

After tomorrow (the second and last day of the current term), I will be available at all times from the morning through the early afternoon. It will be plenty of time for me to assess potential arrest candidates. I also would like to put myself out there to be checked, because my schedule tends to make me look quiet halfway through the game, and thus suspicious.

I encourage anyone who wishes to sue me to get information from me. My promise is that someone will be arrested every day. I guarantee it.

Also, I think we need to move on some of the people who have not yet been sued. Did anyone get any information from the first day's suits that are of use to us? I'm not necessarily advocating they should speak if the information is best left secret for now (although I can't think of much info besides role information that would qualify), but it might be helpful in a game like this for us to be more revealing of at least some of what we learn.

In the interest of making sure everyone gets sued at some point...

CHIEFUS RUMUS SUES LONESTARGIRLUS

She claims too much confusion at everything. I have always suspected she knows far more than she allows, and plays up the naive angle too much. Here's too hoping I find out there is more to it than that.

I will withold my vote on Coffee Warlord until tomorrow.

[Peregrine]

I don't think we'll learn anything from Day 1's suits until tomorrow. I have not, to my knowledge, been sued, and I welcome anyone to do so, as it will help prove me as loyal to the Senate and the ideals behind it.

[Chief Rum]

I don't think we'll learn anything from Day 1's suits until tomorrow. I have not, to my knowledge, been sued, and I welcome anyone to do so, as it will help prove me as loyal to the Senate and the ideals behind it.

Hmm, you may be right. I thought when the services were determined, and arrests made, that the suits might have been handled then. But now that I think of it, I think you're right that st. cronin only put them on the docket. I'll have to go back and check to confirm.

[Narcizo]

I will withold my vote on Coffee Warlord until tomorrow.

I'm not sure if the player can be held for another day but either way waiting another day is wasting a day. As there can only be two prisoners at any one time that means that the Consuls can only arrest one person today. I think we have to vote to execute or to free so we can get two more people to vote on tomorrow. Might need clarification from St cronin on that as I guess he didn't consider there only being one prisoner this early in the game.

[Chief Rum]

[U]The following lawsuits are scheduled to be heard by the courts today:
KAYUS WHITUS SUES ALANUS TEEUS
ALANUS TEEUS SUES HOOPUS GUYUS
HOOPUS GUYUS SUES AUTUMNUS LEAVUS
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus Sues Ironsus Headus
DADDYus TORGOus SUES WESTVUS FANus
Autumnus Leavus Sues Westvus Fanus
AUTUMNUS LEAVUS SUES SALDANUS LATHUMUS
Ardentus Enthusiastus sues Swaggus Swaggus
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus sues Saldanus Lathamus
ANXIETUS ABEUS SUES DADDYUS TORGOUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES WESTVUS FANUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES SALDANUS LATHUMUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES SWAGGUS SWAGGUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES ARDENTUS ENTHUSIASTUS
Grammaticus Atticus sues Autumnus Leavus
Neon Chaos sues Barkeep
PEREGRINUS sues PATH12
Kayus Whitus sues bulletus spongeus
snus dvls sues kayus whitus


Yup, Peregrine, you're right. That sucks, I won't find out results until I get home from work tomorrow night. There certainly is a delay between action and result in this game, isn't there? Lawsuits, service hiring, arrests and kills, etc.

[Chief Rum]

I'm not sure if the player can be held for another day but either way waiting another day is wasting a day. As there can only be two prisoners at any one time that means that the Consuls can only arrest one person today. I think we have to vote to execute or to free so we can get two more people to vote on tomorrow. Might need clarification from St cronin on that as I guess he didn't consider there only being one prisoner this early in the game.

Narcizo, time difference confusion, I think. From my perspective, I am still on my "Monday", wrapping up my computer activity before I hit the hay. "Tomorrow" for me means when I wake up in a few hours later on this morning.

[Chief Rum]

In other words, I will be voting well before the Tuesday deadline (in fact, some eight hours before).

[Narcizo]

(meta-point) Incidentally I think it's interesting that in a recent thread Alan was saying that it was too easy for the wolves to hide in the early stages because people generally vote to lynch people who make a lot of posts (because they'll always be able to find something suspicious in among the posts). Only for him to arrest an experienced player who was making more of a contribution to the thread than a lot of other people.

I'm just saying is all. :)

[Narcizo]

Narcizo, time difference confusion, I think. From my perspective, I am still on my "Monday", wrapping up my computer activity before I hit the hay. "Tomorrow" for me means when I wake up in a few hours later on this morning.

Ah! Gotcha.

It's 11 in the morning here now. Stupid time zones. :o

[Narcizo]

19 cases per day? That's a lot better than I had hoped for. In that case

Narcizo sues Pewegwine

I got a hinky feeling from his opposition to arrests being made yesterday. Admittedly the infamous second-level analysis suggests that it probably means he's a villager (a wolf probably wouldn't be so vocally for or against anything on day one) but I'll probably miss out on most of the action today so I have to play the hand I'm dealt. Clearly I won't be voting for him should he be arrested though as he's been one of the most vocal people here and I'm going to be sticking by my rules for the first three days or so. And he's someone who hasn't been sued yet.

And because his name works great with a lisp. :D

[Poli]

Vote Coffee Warlord is innocent.

In case I need the vote bolded for whatever reason.

[Narcizo]

This will probably get complicated quickly with two different votes we want to keep track of so it's probably best to start the counting early so someone else can take over during the day.

Coffee Warlord
Execute (4) - Barkeep #285, Tyrith #286, Swaggs #294, Narcizo #298
Release (1) - AE #312

Consul vote
KWhit - SnDvls #283
Barkeep - Barkeep #285

[Narcizo]

Not sure if CW is allowed to vote to release himself. (st Cronin?) If he is then I think 15 votes are needed to execute him. If he isn't, then 14 are needed.

[saldana]

I see it differently. With enemies plotting to poison us, we're going to need all the loyal people we can on hand. We may not make any forward progress by not executing anyone, but we avoid any backward progress by not executing an innocent.

Let's hear from some more people about the mysterious services. Maybe there are things we can use to figure out who the bad guys are.

an interesting point....this game is quite different from others, where sitting idly by and not lynching anyone is harmful to us. however, since there is no apparent night kill in this game, do we have the time to sit and wait for evidence?

honestly, i dont think so. i would expect there to be other methods of killing us than throwing us off the rock, otherwise, there would be no real way for the wolves to win.

also, i have been wondering about winning conditions....i figure there have to be at least 5 tarquinblahs out there...does anyone else think they may have a winning condition if they are elected to both Consul positions and the Tribune at the same time?

[Neon_Chaos]

Wow. A lot of material to plod through today.

As is, I have no desire to become consul. My interests are vested in the people of Rome.

I think I now see the point of acquiring wealth through Lawsuits. Afterall, he who has the most money will most likely be able to avail the most number of services (whatever they may be). Since this is so, I will then have to go ahead and collect wealth.

Neon Chaos sues the following:

Abeus Anxietus
Antus Meisterus
Autumnus Leavus
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Pathus Twelveus
Peregrinus Barbarus
Snus Dvlus

As for voting: For now, I will choose to Execute Coffee Warlord
And I will vote to re-elect Alan T. (we're allowed to do this, right?) to keep the boat steady for a while.

[Narcizo]

There were kills in the Big City which was a game without "nights". I see no reason why there shouldn't be kills in this.

Although it would be quite an interesting game if there aren't any kills and the wolves have the victory conditions you laid out. However I think those victory conditions would make the game a bit too random, depending on the initial set-up. (if the Tribune started as a wolf they would have a much better chance than otherwise).

It's something to think about though as I hadn't even considered the possibility that the bad guys might have victory conditions diverging from the standard 1:1 ratio. Maybe it isn't as straightforward as I presumed.

[Narcizo]

That was meant to be quoting saldana, incidentally.

And Neon Chaos, you're not allowed to revote the current Consul.

[hoopsguy]

OK, no info on services and suits won't be settled until later.

Ardent voting for CW as innocent would hold more weight with me if he didn't consistently align himself with CW in games, for better or worse.

I'm going to be at temple today (well, technically a seminar) until sometime fairly close to the deadline. I fully expect to be back in time to vote on CW and hope that there is some further information at that time. Although I'm usually an advocate of "execute now" I really do want a little better understanding of the game mechanics before blindly doing this.

Consul - I'm willing to be elected, even though that didn't work out spectacularly well in the "Big City" game for me. I don't have the wealth to enable a bully pulpit, but I do have the best interests of the city at heart.

[Alan T]

(meta-point) Incidentally I think it's interesting that in a recent thread Alan was saying that it was too easy for the wolves to hide in the early stages because people generally vote to lynch people who make a lot of posts (because they'll always be able to find something suspicious in among the posts). Only for him to arrest an experienced player who was making more of a contribution to the thread than a lot of other people.

I'm just saying is all. :)

You make it sound like I've been pushing for a lynch here. If anything, I feel that I have tried to remain completely objective about Coffeus Yakus Warlordus in my conversations since his arrest. If you have noticed, I have not yet voted to lynch him, but like I said before I felt inaction on my part would set us back a day. I had hoped this arrest might be a spearpoint for discussion regarding the possibility of his being treasonous or not.

Unfortunatly I was in a difficult spot yesterday, and remain in a difficult spot today. I am charged with placing those who are disloyal to the republic under arrest for treason without any or at least very minimal evidence. I had asked for suggestions from my fellow senators on who suspicious people were that I might consider arresting might be, yet all of you remained mute. I will repeat that request today for any thoughts about individuals that I should consider arresting and why, in hopes that I might have some guidance in this decision for today.

Not sure if CW is allowed to vote to release himself. (st Cronin?) If he is then I think 15 votes are needed to execute him. If he isn't, then 14 are needed.

I don't believe you need to vote to free him. My understanding is if a majority of votes choose to throw him off the rock, then he is removed. Otherwise he is freed at the end of the day. So from what I can tell, you either vote to throw him off the rock or remain silent. (From a vote perspective that is. From a game perspective, we obviously can choose to vote not to throw him off the rock with detailed reasons if we so choose to create discussion).

Wow. A lot of material to plod through today.

As is, I have no desire to become consul. My interests are vested in the people of Rome.

I think I now see the point of acquiring wealth through Lawsuits. Afterall, he who has the most money will most likely be able to avail the most number of services (whatever they may be). Since this is so, I will then have to go ahead and collect wealth.

Neon Chaos sues the following:

Abeus Anxietus
Antus Meisterus
Autumnus Leavus
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Pathus Twelveus
Peregrinus Barbarus
Snus Dvlus

As for voting: For now, I will choose to Execute Coffee Warlord
And I will vote to re-elect Alan T. (we're allowed to do this, right?) to keep the boat steady for a while.

I have noticed the pattern in whom you have chosen to sue, but any reason why you decided to leave one individual out from a lawsuit?

Also I can not be re-elected today. The earliest I could be elected again as consul if people so chose would be on day 4.

OK, no info on services and suits won't be settled until later.

Ardent voting for CW as innocent would hold more weight with me if he didn't consistently align himself with CW in games, for better or worse.

I'm going to be at temple today (well, technically a seminar) until sometime fairly close to the deadline. I fully expect to be back in time to vote on CW and hope that there is some further information at that time. Although I'm usually an advocate of "execute now" I really do want a little better understanding of the game mechanics before blindly doing this.

Consul - I'm willing to be elected, even though that didn't work out spectacularly well in the "Big City" game for me. I don't have the wealth to enable a bully pulpit, but I do have the best interests of the city at heart.


Ardentus Enthusiastus has been an ardent supporter of Coffeus Yakus Warlordus since his arrest, however my impression is that it is based on a gut feeling no different than my choice to place him under arrest was.

[Alan T]

In order to continue from yesterday where I left off with lawsuits, I still do not believe any of us have seen the upside from lawsuits or the negative consequences from them. We also do not know what merits their decisions will be based on just yet. So I will remain conservative in my decisions of whom I shall sue. We may find that they do not give us much information back at all, but either way today I have several decisions to make with very little information to rely upon. WHether or not to throw Coffeus Yakus Warlordus off of the rock, who to elect as the new consul, and whom to place under arrest.

For the same reasons as my previous lawsuit, I'll issue two new ones today.

Alanus Teeus sues Chiefus Rumus
Alanus Teeus sues Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus

[Narcizo]

You make it sound like I've been pushing for a lynch here. If anything, I feel that I have tried to remain completely objective about Coffeus Yakus Warlordus in my conversations since his arrest. If you have noticed, I have not yet voted to lynch him, but like I said before I felt inaction on my part would set us back a day. I had hoped this arrest might be a spearpoint for discussion regarding the possibility of his being treasonous or not.


Were I Consul I would have voted to arrest the person I would vote to lynch on day one in a traditional game setting. Hoping to shake out some information about whether he's treasonous or not seems a bit hopeful at this stage of the game. But I can see your point and hopefully someone will have access to some sort of seer-like ability and will be able to safely provide us with information about him, in which case it will be very welcome news.

If you want my suggestions about who should be arrested today I'd go for someone who has had little input in the game by the time you make your decision. Maybe the fear of arrest will get people talking more.

[Poli]

OK, no info on services and suits won't be settled until later.

Ardent voting for CW as innocent would hold more weight with me if he didn't consistently align himself with CW in games, for better or worse.


Actually, I think the last game I played with CW was last year about this time. I was a wolf, and CW went after me.

That game, in particular, is why I see Warlord's play as the same. He told me afterward he came after me because he had nothing to lose. I see this as the same play.

[Alan T]

Were I Consul I would have voted to arrest the person I would vote to lynch on day one in a traditional game setting. Hoping to shake out some information about whether he's treasonous or not seems a bit hopeful at this stage of the game. But I can see your point and hopefully someone will have access to some sort of seer-like ability and will be able to safely provide us with information about him, in which case it will be very welcome news.

If you want my suggestions about who should be arrested today I'd go for someone who has had little input in the game by the time you make your decision. Maybe the fear of arrest will get people talking more.

Who would you see as quiest so far and fitting in the role of trying to just blend in?

[KWhit]

I have already received one vote for consul and would welcome more. I would be happy to serve the will of the people and rid the senate of the filthy, traitorous Tarquinists.

[KWhit]

I have no strong feeling on the guilt or innocence of CW at this time. And this is a completely different situation than a normal game's day one where we have many different people to choose from and can gauge a person's loyalties by whom they vote for. Since there is only one person eligible to be thrown from the rock, it is going to be MUCH harder to get any meaningful information from this vote.

I am on the fence about my vote at this time, but may vote for his execution simply to see what the mechanics of this particular game are.

[Poli]

Vote Kwhit for consul. There you go.

[Poli]

BTW, I did receive word that my legionaire guy is a 1 day deal.

[st.cronin]

Not sure if CW is allowed to vote to release himself. (st Cronin?) If he is then I think 15 votes are needed to execute him. If he isn't, then 14 are needed.

Coffee Yakus is allowed to vote both for his own innocence, and for Consul.

[KWhit]

When asked about the lawsuits, st.cronin said:

Although there is little doubt to the outcome of most of them, the results will be posted along with all other Day II results.


That worries me a bit and suggests that most of my lawsuits are going to fail, as I sued Senators with more wealth than my own. As we all know, money buys favor in the courts.

Therefore, in order to better serve the people and grow my bankroll I am suing all Senators that currently have the same wealth as I have (that I did not sue yesterday):

KAYUS WHITUS SUES CHIEFUS RUMUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES DADDYUS TORGOUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES HOOPUS GUYUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES NARCIZUS LISPUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES NEONUS CHAOSUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES TYRUS ITHUS

[Poli]

I guess I missed that part of the message from Cronin.

[Narcizo]

Who would you see as quiest so far and fitting in the role of trying to just blend in?

At the moment it's easier to say who I think isn't doing that. Hopefully that will change today.

Currently I definitely wouldn't consider Peregrine (adamantly against arresting someone), KWhit (issuing multiple writs), AE (voting for CW), Barkeep (First to propose himself for Consul), Autumn (seems to have posted a fair bit and issued a couple of writs).

People who haven't really posted anything of significance include ImTheCrew, Antmeister, LoneStarGirl, Ironhead, Swaggs, Bulletsponge. (forgive me if I've missed something they've contributed).

Hopefully the picture will be different by the time it comes for you to make a decision.

[Alan T]

Alanus Teeus elects Dodgus Erchickus for consul.

A consul doesn't need to be available alot during the day, they just have to be open to input from other senators able to get in their action before the end of the day, have the best interest of the republic at heart and ideally money to be able to aquire appropriate services for either protection or information.

I can't speak one way or another for Dodgus Erchickus's loyalty to the republic, but that is also true for the majority of the others in the senate at this time as well. Dodgus Erchickus is however one of the wealthier in the senate and thus I would think best able to protect themselves.

I perhaps would elect one of a number of individuals next time around, but as of now we have had no opportunity to see the results of numerous lawsuits, or gain information any other way. So if my vote to elect will be based on very little, I am trying to at least find some benefit to push one person in my mind above others.

[KWhit]

Alanus Teeus elects Dodgus Erchickus for consul.

A consul doesn't need to be available alot during the day, they just have to be open to input from other senators able to get in their action before the end of the day, have the best interest of the republic at heart and ideally money to be able to aquire appropriate services for either protection or information.

I can't speak one way or another for Dodgus Erchickus's loyalty to the republic, but that is also true for the majority of the others in the senate at this time as well. Dodgus Erchickus is however one of the wealthier in the senate and thus I would think best able to protect themselves.

I perhaps would elect one of a number of individuals next time around, but as of now we have had no opportunity to see the results of numerous lawsuits, or gain information any other way. So if my vote to elect will be based on very little, I am trying to at least find some benefit to push one person in my mind above others.

It is true that a consul does not need to post too much, but Dodgus Erchickus has been nearly non-existant in the game so far - only 7 posts in the whole thread. I question this nomination.

[Alan T]

It is true that a consul does not need to post too much, but Dodgus Erchickus has been nearly non-existant in the game so far - only 7 posts in the whole thread. I question this nomination.

Yes because the 11 posts from Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus is far more significant and shouldn't be questioned? I have no problem with you seeking to be elected Consul, but your most recent comment is very odd to me to single that one out of the bunch.

[KWhit]

Yes because the 11 posts from Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus is far more significant and shouldn't be questioned? I have no problem with you seeking to be elected Consul, but your most recent comment is very odd to me to single that one out of the bunch.

Just responding to your statement that "A consul doesn't need to be available alot during the day, they just have to be open to input from other senators able to get in their action before the end of the day."

I wanted to state that while that is true, it is important for us to KNOW that the consul will be around to make arrests. We have already missed one arrest and can't afford to miss more.

[Narcizo]

Out of interest how do we see how many times someone has posted in a thread?

[KWhit]

Yes because the 11 posts from Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus is far more significant and shouldn't be questioned? I have no problem with you seeking to be elected Consul, but your most recent comment is very odd to me to single that one out of the bunch.

Also, I responded to your nomination of DC primarily because I had forgotten that she was even IN the game she has been so quiet. So I looked up her post count in the thread.

I did not have the same kind of perception about Barkeepus, so I didn't see how many posts he had when he was nominated earlier.

[Swaggs]

This may not interest anyone except me, but I'll ask anyway:

Do you all think that several folks will bid for my services (as the best lawyer) or will people overthink things and think that AE (as the #2) will be more easily available?

I am just curious, as I have not learned a whole lot about my role yet.

[Poli]

Out of interest how do we see how many times someone has posted in a thread?
Outside the thread itself, it's one of the links to the thread. Click on the number of replies.

[KWhit]

Out of interest how do we see how many times someone has posted in a thread?

Click on the number of replies shown beside the thread title in the Werewolf Games forum.

[Swaggs]

Vote Chief Rum for Consul

If he is available to participate, as he says he is, I think he would do a very good job of asking questions and then analyzing how they are answered.

I shall wait to see who else throws their hat in the ring before deciding on my second vote.

[KWhit]

This may not interest anyone except me, but I'll ask anyway:

Do you all think that several folks will bid for my services (as the best lawyer) or will people overthink things and think that AE (as the #2) will be more easily available?

I am just curious, as I have not learned a whole lot about my role yet.

You'll get some bids for sure. There will be some that overthink things, but there will be others that will bid on you just because of the thought that maybe everyone else will bid on AE.

[Alan T]

Just responding to your statement that "A consul doesn't need to be available alot during the day, they just have to be open to input from other senators able to get in their action before the end of the day."

I wanted to state that while that is true, it is important for us to KNOW that the consul will be around to make arrests. We have already missed one arrest and can't afford to miss more.


I have not seen anything in Dodgus Erchickus's history to make me feel there is a risk of missed arrests. You are pushing quite hard right now for what only appears to be selfish reasons (powerlust). Right now I for one question whether you place the republic's interests above your own.

Someone previously mentioned that a traitor is less likely to try to put themselves into a position of authority. I actually feel that an experienced player with treasonous qualities would very like to make that play, as it would allow them to escape arrest for multiple days, help their fellow traitors avoid arrest for two days and thus far information we have gained from others seems quite slow. We do not know what their winning condition is, how the consul plays into that either. I am beginning to wonder if our fellow senator Kayus Whitus is making such a push right now in the open. Someone as experienced as him would make such a bold play if they were treasonous I would feel.

[Narcizo]

I don't necessarily think that we have to get wealthy people in the Consul posts, as long as the bodyguards are used to protect the Consuls it doesn't really matter who is paying their wages. Of course the Consul is more likely to protect himself then someone else is to decide to protect them but if everyone plays as a team we should be alright. What we definitely don't want is a situation where people are being appointed to be a consul and are then being killed immediately. From what I remember of the Big City game it was important that the players in the Consul(/Judge) post are around immediately after the end of day so they can get their arrest orders out before the bad guys kill one of them.

[KWhit]

I also notice that Imus Thecrewus has been nearly non-existent in this thread and certainly has not been helping our cause. Perhaps he should be arrested to see if we can get him talking that way.

[Barkeep49]

Yes because the 11 posts from Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus is far more significant and shouldn't be questioned? I have no problem with you seeking to be elected Consul, but your most recent comment is very odd to me to single that one out of the bunch.
I have been posting steadily throughout the game. While 11 may not be a momentous figure, nor is it some indication that after Day 1 I have not been actively involved in this game.

[Alan T]

This may not interest anyone except me, but I'll ask anyway:

Do you all think that several folks will bid for my services (as the best lawyer) or will people overthink things and think that AE (as the #2) will be more easily available?

I am just curious, as I have not learned a whole lot about my role yet.

I assume that some of the wealthier members might not be as concerned with whom others will try to hire.

[Alan T]

I have been posting steadily throughout the game. While 11 may not be a momentous figure, nor is it some indication that after Day 1 I have not been actively involved in this game.

You missed the point. I never said you wern't being active. In fact, I don't know anyone who has said that you havent been.

[Barkeep49]

I also notice that Imus Thecrewus has been nearly non-existent in this thread and certainly has not been helping our cause. Perhaps he should be arrested to see if we can get him talking that way.
I agree that this Senator could contribute far more.

[Barkeep49]

You missed the point. I never said you wern't being active. In fact, I don't know anyone who has said that you havent been.
Fair enough. I clearly read something to your post which was not there.

[Narcizo]

Outside the thread itself, it's one of the links to the thread. Click on the number of replies.

Click on the number of replies shown beside the thread title in the Werewolf Games forum.

Thanks. :)

I'm having a hard time seeing KWhit's moves as being wolfish, it just seems a bit too bold if he was a wolf. But then again I saw that Alan was quite interested in pushing people who he seems to think are overstating their case in the Cold War thing. I don't think either are particularly suspicious at the moment and I'd really like us to concentrate on the quieter people around before this turns into yet another case of lynching people because they're actually saying something relevent.

[KWhit]

I have not seen anything in Dodgus Erchickus's history to make me feel there is a risk of missed arrests. You are pushing quite hard right now for what only appears to be selfish reasons (powerlust). Right now I for one question whether you place the republic's interests above your own.

Someone previously mentioned that a traitor is less likely to try to put themselves into a position of authority. I actually feel that an experienced player with treasonous qualities would very like to make that play, as it would allow them to escape arrest for multiple days, help their fellow traitors avoid arrest for two days and thus far information we have gained from others seems quite slow. We do not know what their winning condition is, how the consul plays into that either. I am beginning to wonder if our fellow senator Kayus Whitus is making such a push right now in the open. Someone as experienced as him would make such a bold play if they were treasonous I would feel.

You make a good point that a treasonous senator might very well try to gain as much power as possible as quickly as possible. There is a LOT that a treasonous consul could do to thwart us. The thing that scares me the most is that a Tarquin Consul could arrest another Tarquin, get him thrown off the rock, and all of a sudden be in a solid circle of trust until endgame.

I am the only senator that I know to be loyal to Rome. I am making this push because I personally trust NO ONE ELSE at this point to hold this important office. And I remind you - I did not ask for votes until I had already received one unsolicited. If you mistrust me, you must also mistrust SnDvls. You cannot believe that SnDvls and myself if Tarquins would put both of our butts on the line so openly this early in the game. Your mistrust is wise, but it is misplaced.

[Swaggs]

stcronin: Who is capable of hiring a lawyer on behalf of the senate? I am guessing that whoever hires us can then assign us to prosecute a charge of treason?

I was feeling pretty good about my (relative) safety until I comprehended that part of the rules. Thinking about the lawyer-role, I know in my description I was told I am loyal to the Republic, but I still think I go and act on behalf of the highest bidder, so I'm not real sure how this role is going to play out. Also, we don't know (and I doubt if stcronin will tell us) if someone else can become a lawyer if one of us dies. Should be interesting.

[Narcizo]

Incidentally people seem to be alluding to the fact that they can vote twice in the consul elections. Did I miss something because my read of it is that you only vote once and the two people with the most votes get in.

I wonder what the tie-break situation is. I think it's best that the people around at the time avoid us finding out that there isn't one by using their vote to break a tie before the deadline.

[Alan T]

Thanks. :)

I'm having a hard time seeing KWhit's moves as being wolfish, it just seems a bit too bold if he was a wolf. But then again I saw that Alan was quite interested in pushing people who he seems to think are overstating their case in the Cold War thing. I don't think either are particularly suspicious at the moment and I'd really like us to concentrate on the quieter people around before this turns into yet another case of lynching people because they're actually saying something relevent.

For someone to be thrown off the rock, I am pretty sure that they would need to be arrested first. As of now, I am the only one arresting people, and while I don't feel that I have much trust for him at this point, its clear that others do feel better about him. Enough to the point that any arrest of him would likely right now until we find other information out would end up in a no-conviction and thus be a wasted move on my part and no better than inaction itself.

Whether or not he gets elected as consul and whether or not he chooses to use the position to pursue personal vendettas will only be seen I suppose. As of now unless I find reason to do otherwise, I plan not on arresting him today as I do not see anything coming from it tommorrow.

[Swaggs]

We may (so I assume we are not required to) place two votes for Consuls and one vote for guilt or innocence.

primer

If you did not recieve a pm regarding your bid, it means somebody else outbid you for your services. Lawyers will not know if they have been hired - their work must be kept confidential, and will only be revealed when they perform it, at the deadline.

Senators may place three votes today.

You may place 2 votes for Consuls. The current Consuls and Tribune are ineligible.

You may vote on Coffee Warlord's guilt or innocence.

[KWhit]

Thanks. :)

I'm having a hard time seeing KWhit's moves as being wolfish, it just seems a bit too bold if he was a wolf. But then again I saw that Alan was quite interested in pushing people who he seems to think are overstating their case in the Cold War thing. I don't think either are particularly suspicious at the moment and I'd really like us to concentrate on the quieter people around before this turns into yet another case of lynching people because they're actually saying something relevent.

It has been pointed out before (in this game as a matter of fact), that often two of the more vocal people (usually both good guys) are set against each other early on while the quiet wolves sit in the background and skate by. AlanT and I cannot fall into that trap here. We are both vocal and helpful to the cause at this point, IMO.

We need to focus on the quiet ones until evidence suggests we look elsewhere.

[Coffee Warlord]

Well, in the attempt to not die...

The old thought about having to lynch someone Day 1 doesn't really apply here. You can't use that when there's only 1 target. You're losing a loyal member of the Republic for an almost totally useless voting history.

Oh.

And Vote Coffeeus Yakus Warlordus Innocent

Elect Kayus Whitus for Consul

Voting for KWhit? I've found his comments decent enough. My other Consul vote is in the air right now.

[Alan T]

Incidentally people seem to be alluding to the fact that they can vote twice in the consul elections. Did I miss something because my read of it is that you only vote once and the two people with the most votes get in.

I wonder what the tie-break situation is. I think it's best that the people around at the time avoid us finding out that there isn't one by using their vote to break a tie before the deadline.

This brings up a question in my mind... Cronin, can we withdraw our election vote and choose someone else as long as it occurs before deadline?

[Swaggs]

Alan (you do not have to answer this if you do not want to), would you consider jailing someone who is a significant vote-getter today?

I am wondering what that may do to our potential Consuls (ie: if a Consul is found guilty, do we go without until a new term comes up or is there a "special election?"

[KWhit]

Whether or not he gets elected as consul and whether or not he chooses to use the position to pursue personal vendettas will only be seen I suppose. As of now unless I find reason to do otherwise, I plan not on arresting him today as I do not see anything coming from it tommorrow.

I have no vendettas at this point. I wish I did, as that would suggest that I had some idea of who might be a Tarquin. Alas, at this point I do not.

And I do not think that your nomination of DC for Consul was suspicious, just a bit surprising as I did not recall her participating much in the discussions so far (something I feel is important to have in a consul, IMO).

[Narcizo]

D'oh! Looks like I'm an idiot who should read better. So we do get two consul votes.

In that case

Vote KWhit for Consul with my first. I think his points have been valid up to this stage. However I don't necessarily buy his argument that both he and SnDvls must be bad guys if one of them is.

I'll wait till this evening with my other consul vote.

[Alan T]

Alan (you do not have to answer this if you do not want to), would you consider jailing someone who is a significant vote-getter today?

I am wondering what that may do to our potential Consuls (ie: if a Consul is found guilty, do we go without until a new term comes up or is there a "special election?"

I think I have already answered that previously, but if there is enough trust in someone to vote them a consul, I find it hard to believe they would find enough votes to be thrown off the rock the very next day without cause. Thus my arresting someone who appears to be fairly popular, seems to be nothing but a wasted move on my part.

[Swaggs]

I think I have already answered that previously, but if there is enough trust in someone to vote them a consul, I find it hard to believe they would find enough votes to be thrown off the rock the very next day without cause. Thus my arresting someone who appears to be fairly popular, seems to be nothing but a wasted move on my part.

Good answer.

[Swaggs]

I am going out on a limb for my second Consul vote, as this person has not expressed interest in the position, but re-reading through the thread, I feel like they would do a good job:

Vote Autumnus Leavus for Consul

I am curious to see if anyone else has a good feeling about Autumnus Leavus?

[Narcizo]

I have a better than average feeling about Autumn.

Anyway I'm going home now. I probably won't be around very much at all for the rest of the day but I'll come in to cast my second Consul vote when possible.

[Barkeep49]

At the risk of sounding self serving:
I have nothing against KWhit, but let me point out that the bad guys likely know who the other bad guys are and so they may safely nominate someone for Consul knowing that person is a good guy. Alternatively, the good guys don't know who the bad guys are and could accidentally nominate someone who is a bad guy.

However, I do like KWhit's speeches and will likely cast my vote his way.

[Tyrith]

KWhit is getting himself too much focus and attention in this game for my liking. I don't like it when the game starts to center around one or two players, and KWhit is certainly garnering a lot of attention so far. I won't really oppose his election to consul too much, because he seems to be coming out as a consensus candidate....but it kind of quietly alarms parts of me.

CR or DC would both be acceptable consul choices for me with the other slot.

[Abe Sargent]

I like CR's reasoning, so my first vote for consul will be him.


Vote Chiefus Rumus for Consul


Also, I agree that we need to do something today with CW.

Vote to Execute Coffeus Yakus Warlordus


I think that a baddie would want to avoid the spotlight of the Consul. I find posts like Neon Chaos at 316 to be suspicious.

[KWhit]

KWhit is getting himself too much focus and attention in this game for my liking. I don't like it when the game starts to center around one or two players, and KWhit is certainly garnering a lot of attention so far. I won't really oppose his election to consul too much, because he seems to be coming out as a consensus candidate....but it kind of quietly alarms parts of me.

I don't know...

I am usually more alarmed by the quiet ones early on. Usually the most vocal ones are the ones that end up getting wrongly lynched simply because there is a spotlight on them.

However, I am glad that I am receiving so much attention though, because I think it will make me a prime candidate for a seer scan, which I welcome.

[Tyrith]

To be honest, I'm having a pretty hard time having too much of a feeling about anyone right now. This game is so chaotic I'm mostly just trying to hang on and wait for some people to die to lower the number of people I have to think about. That is largely why I'm being fairly quiet -- the other reason being a test this evening and a test Thursday morning, so I may not be terribly active the next two days.

[Tyrith]

I don't know...

I am usually more alarmed by the quiet ones early on. Usually the most vocal ones are the ones that end up getting wrongly lynched simply because there is a spotlight on them.

However, I am glad that I am receiving so much attention though, because I think it will make me a prime candidate for a seer scan, which I welcome.

The attention thing and the quiet thing are related concerns. When we get so much focus on a single player, making them the center of a lot of what's going on -- especially in a game this size -- it casts a shadow for the quiet players to hide in. It doesn't as much alarm me about YOUR allegiance as much as concern me about the general game situation and our ability to effectively pick targets.

[Abe Sargent]

KWhit is getting himself too much focus and attention in this game for my liking. I don't like it when the game starts to center around one or two players, and KWhit is certainly garnering a lot of attention so far. I won't really oppose his election to consul too much, because he seems to be coming out as a consensus candidate....but it kind of quietly alarms parts of me.

CR or DC would both be acceptable consul choices for me with the other slot.

I don't know. As a good guy, as a GM, and as a bad guy I've seen villagers waste a day or more in a game because they started t osecond guess a candidate for no real reason other than "we can;t all support a candidate this soon."

I, for one, trust KWhit. I always have, including our little survivor Lupus team. As such, I'm happy to spend my other vote.

Vote to Consul whatever KWhit's nick is.

[Tyrith]

I don't know. As a good guy, as a GM, and as a bad guy I've seen villagers waste a day or more in a game because they started t osecond guess a candidate for no real reason other than "we can;t all support a candidate this soon."

I, for one, trust KWhit. I always have, including our little survivor Lupus team. As such, I'm happy to spend my other vote.

Vote to Consul whatever KWhit's nick is.

Oh, we should definately elect people. I'm just trying to emphasize that we should be careful we don't turn this into the KWhit vs. whomever game, or something like that, as WW games sometimes tend to devolve into games focused around an interaction between just a few players.

On that note, I'm not going to resist the popular urge, consensus is fun:

VOTE ELECT KWHIT

[Tyrith]

I, for one, trust KWhit. I always have, including our little survivor Lupus team.

I'm not sure this is really a safe opinion to have as a villager in a WW game, no matter how much you want to instinctively trust your friends.

[KWhit]

The attention thing and the quiet thing are related concerns. When we get so much focus on a single player, making them the center of a lot of what's going on -- especially in a game this size -- it casts a shadow for the quiet players to hide in. It doesn't as much alarm me about YOUR allegiance as much as concern me about the general game situation and our ability to effectively pick targets.

I see what you're saying, and I agree. I think we need to arrest some of the quiet ones today. Alanus Teeus will do what he thinks best, but I wonder what will happen with the other arrest.

st.cronin - what's the story on the other consul position?

He posted this last night:
If I don't get a replacement player in today, I'll allow the Tribune to temporarily assume the Consul's role.

I don't know what he means by "The Tribune." Does that mean that we will collectively vote for who's arrested today?

[Abe Sargent]

I'm not sure this is really a safe opinion to have as a villager in a WW game, no matter how much you want to instinctively trust your friends.

Everybody here is my friend Tyrith. Including you!

[Coffee Warlord]

Oh, we should definately elect people. I'm just trying to emphasize that we should be careful we don't turn this into the KWhit vs. whomever game, or something like that, as WW games sometimes tend to devolve into games focused around an interaction between just a few players.

I find it amusing we worried about *that* at this point and basically totally ignoring the slow progression to off me.

[Tyrith]

Everybody here is my friend Tyrith. Including you!

You're my buddy too, you give me nice casual Magic articles to read ;)

[Tyrith]

I find it amusing we worried about *that* at this point and basically totally ignoring the slow progression to off me.

Give me evidence that we should let you live and I will gladly take my vote off. However, we can't start figuring out what's going on without racking up some sort of body count, and our lack of information so far is extreme enough that I'm going to move away from my typical let's-not-murder-randoms stance for today. You are the unfortunate victim of circumstance, it seems.

[KWhit]

It appears that I am headed toward a position of power. I know it's early and things could change, but I want to go ahead and get this out there in case people are going to be away for part/most of the day.

I am currently loyal to Rome. I welcome a seer scan to prove it. However, this makes me a prime target to be converted (if such a thing exists). If anyone has the power or service to keep this from happening, it might make sense to provide this to me to thwart the attack. I would welcome someone sharing their bodyguard with me (as I am too poor at the present time to hire one myself).

Hopefully, just my asking for this is enough to scare off the Tarquins.

[Alan T]

I don't know. As a good guy, as a GM, and as a bad guy I've seen villagers waste a day or more in a game because they started t osecond guess a candidate for no real reason other than "we can;t all support a candidate this soon."

I, for one, trust KWhit. I always have, including our little survivor Lupus team. As such, I'm happy to spend my other vote.

Vote to Consul whatever KWhit's nick is.

Wern't you a bad guy in that game? :)

[Coffee Warlord]

Give me evidence that we should let you live and I will gladly take my vote off. However, we can't start figuring out what's going on without racking up some sort of body count, and our lack of information so far is extreme enough that I'm going to move away from my typical let's-not-murder-randoms stance for today. You are the unfortunate victim of circumstance, it seems.

If I had any, I would.

And it's the exact attitude of inevitability that I don't think we can use this game. You realize how utterly easy the traitors will have it if we rely on the old attitude of 'whelp, someone has to die, axe him' in this game? We can ONLY have a maximum of 2 people up for execution. Now, imagine the traitors manage to get a Consul in power. We keep knocking people off as a matter of course, doing their job for them, as we only can put our votes on one of two people (one of one today).

[Alan T]

As for the conversation about who is more likely a wolf, the quiet players or the loud and out front players, I find many different people's comments confusing a bit to me and perhaps even to the point of having some agenda behind them.

Its a very easy point of reference that is true in every game.

Its very unusual for all of the wolves to be loud or all of them to be quiet. Most often you have 1 or a couple of louder, out front wolves helping drive conversation in certain directions. You also usually have 1 or a couple of wolves who hide in the shadows and avoid attention. This means you can't say people who are quiet are wolves, or people who are loud or out front are wolves.

Villagers who are quiet = don't contribute much, and if lynched less likely to be lynching people who will help you win.

Wolves who are quiet = if you lynch them, it helps remove someone who could do alot of harm behind the scenes without drawing much suspicion.

Villagers who are noisy = Usually draw alot of attention on themselves, often end up costing the village time in lynching good villagers who just were overeager. Usually later in the game will be active and involved in conversation.

Wolves who are noisy = Lynching them usually helps you put together some pieces as they often say alot during the game, and you can go off of what they say (or perhaps dont say) to determine your next steps.


So, thats the reasoning behind my conversation earlier with Narcizo about who we think are the quieter wolves are. I'll probably go for someone whom I don't find contributing much right now today with my arrest, however by no means do I think that means someone making a bold in your face play isn't a wolf. Also I don't necessarily feel post count = quiet or not either. Some people talk alot but say very little.

[Tyrith]

If I had any, I would.

And it's the exact attitude of inevitability that I don't think we can use this game. You realize how utterly easy the traitors will have it if we rely on the old attitude of 'whelp, someone has to die, axe him' in this game? We can ONLY have a maximum of 2 people up for execution. Now, imagine the traitors manage to get a Consul in power. We keep knocking people off as a matter of course, doing their job for them, as we only can put our votes on one of two people (one of one today).

Later on, yes. But then we'll have a clue, and we can't really start to develop a clue without doing something. I mean, I see your point, and I wouldn't recommend blindly killing people all the way down the road, but right now, there are other problems that feel like my hand is forced. Which is too bad, because I don't really want to kill you, you're fun to have around.

[Coffee Warlord]

Which is too bad, because I don't really want to kill you, you're fun to have around.

So let's make it real simple.

Unless you like killing a villager. Don't.

[Abe Sargent]

Wern't you a bad guy in that game? :)

In which game. The city? Nope. The sheffir and the town? No. i've seen people chjoose not to vote for someone to power just because, and it was silly on multiple occasions when I wasn't the bad guy.

[Tyrith]

So let's make it real simple.

Unless you like killing a villager. Don't.

Wish I could take your word on that.

[Barkeep49]

Now I admit this is self serving, but while I agree with Alan's analysis, I only agree with it after Day 3 or 4. For the first few days lynching vocal players can have game long ill effects.

[Coffee Warlord]

Wish I could take your word on that.

Come now. If I'm a traitor, would I have gone out suing someone else, claiming totally openly that it's for nothing more than personal gain. Look at the size of this game and tell me it won't be ungodly easy early on for the wolves to kick back, throw a line in here and there, and hide. If I was a bad guy, why on earth would I bother making so many seemingly suspicious moves in a game this huge.

You gain nothing today but a dead villager. You gain almost nothing in voting history because you can't vote for anyone else. You lose one of the weathier citizens who can keep key services away from bad guys.

[SnDvls]

You make a good point that a treasonous senator might very well try to gain as much power as possible as quickly as possible. There is a LOT that a treasonous consul could do to thwart us. The thing that scares me the most is that a Tarquin Consul could arrest another Tarquin, get him thrown off the rock, and all of a sudden be in a solid circle of trust until endgame.

I am the only senator that I know to be loyal to Rome. I am making this push because I personally trust NO ONE ELSE at this point to hold this important office. And I remind you - I did not ask for votes until I had already received one unsolicited. If you mistrust me, you must also mistrust SnDvls. You cannot believe that SnDvls and myself if Tarquins would put both of our butts on the line so openly this early in the game. Your mistrust is wise, but it is misplaced.

this is true fellow Senator...I trust Kayus Whitus completely and I also believe my suit against him will confirm that he is loyal to the Republic.

[DaddyTorgo]

still catching up. one page back on last night/this morning's stuff


i think saldana may be onto something about the tarqs having a victory condition for filling both the consulships. think about it in the context of the backstory of the game and it makes a lot of sense hmm?

i'd be open to a consulship. i am tending to be around plenty.

VOTE TOSS COFFEE WARLORD OFF THE ROCK

just because we need some more info. I'd like to see anyone who votes not to toss him off the cliff offer a reasoning too, not just miss the vote.

given wolves could hide in the tossing him off the rock group also (and indeed likely are), but i'd like to see everyone offer reasoning. it at least will give us something to analyze.

[Alan T]

In which game. The city? Nope. The sheffir and the town? No. i've seen people chjoose not to vote for someone to power just because, and it was silly on multiple occasions when I wasn't the bad guy.

I dont think my response, or the comment from you that I quoted referred to the city, the sherrif and the town or anything along those lines.

You made a comment that you trusted kwhit in the survivor game, and I asked wern't you a bad guy in that game? I found that more funny then anything at the time, but not sure why you are avoiding answering it.

[bulletsponge]

Elect Kayus Whitus to Counsul

Vote Coffeus Warlordus Innocent

[Tyrith]

Come now. If I'm a traitor, would I have gone out suing someone else, claiming totally openly that it's for nothing more than personal gain. Look at the size of this game and tell me it won't be ungodly easy early on for the wolves to kick back, throw a line in here and there, and hide. If I was a bad guy, why on earth would I bother making so many seemingly suspicious moves in a game this huge.

You gain nothing today but a dead villager. You gain almost nothing in voting history because you can't vote for anyone else. You lose one of the weathier citizens who can keep key services away from bad guys.

Hrm. There is definately some logic here...I don't know anymore.

Damn.

[Swaggs]

I have been thinking about this one, as I caught something in one of CW's posts that makes me feel pretty good that he is loyal, but I did not want to make myself look bad by switching my vote from him. He also makes a sound point about eliminating a wealthy player from the game, which would potentially allow less wealthy players with ill intentions to win services.

I will disclose, in case anyone questions my motives, professionally, that I have not yet been retained by anyone. To be even more clear, CW has not hired me and I am not changing my vote because he is my client.

Unvote CW Guilty

Vote CW Innocent

I am torn because I would like (and I think we need) to know more about the dynamics of the game, but I think CW is loyal to the Republic and that his death will not benefit us more than his life will.

[KWhit]

I will disclose, in case anyone questions my motives, professionally, that I have not yet been retained by anyone. To be even more clear, CW has not hired me and I am not changing my vote because he is my client.

I thought st.cronin said somewhere that the lawyers wouldn't know they were hired until after the fact...

Or was I dreaming that?

[Alan T]

I have been thinking about this one, as I caught something in one of CW's posts that makes me feel pretty good that he is loyal, but I did not want to make myself look bad by switching my vote from him. He also makes a sound point about eliminating a wealthy player from the game, which would potentially allow less wealthy players with ill intentions to win services.

I will disclose, in case anyone questions my motives, professionally, that I have not yet been retained by anyone. To be even more clear, CW has not hired me and I am not changing my vote because he is my client.

Unvote CW Guilty

Vote CW Innocent

I am torn because I would like (and I think we need) to know more about the dynamics of the game, but I think CW is loyal to the Republic and that his death will not benefit us more than his life will.

I was pretty sure that cronin said lawyers won't know if their services were hired until the end of the day. So you wouldn't know yet Swaggs.

Also I am going out on a limb here but guessing that there are some wealthy traitors and some less wealthy traitors.

[Grammaticus]

I don't like looking at a Consulship for anyone who has not already cast their vote on CW. I don't like putting Chief Rum in charge of arresting people. He is too erratic and does not gain input from others, at least not in the Tombstone game.

I do think we need to lynch, as we likely cannot win without lynching and waiting puts the odds in favor of the wolves. I can't imagine st.cronin would have a game where the wolves cannot kill, he's just too traditional in his outlook on how WW should be. So based on odds of victory in favor of us loyal to the Republic:

VOTE TO LYNCH COFFEUS WARLORDUS

For Cosulship, I can go with BK, he is likely to listen to the input of others. I would also favor hoopsguy at this point if he runs. I will also throw myself in the ring. I am low in the wealth area and have no special abilities. Basically, I have nothing to lose in the post, so what the heck.

VOTE BARKEEPUS VALERIUS FORTYNINEUS FOR CONSUL

VOTE GRAMMATICUS ATTICUS FOR CONSUL

[SnDvls]

vote CW innocent

with only one canidate I don't buy the whole "we need to kill someone" routine we always get in. There are a lot of assumptions being made and not knowing any victory conditions ect. I can't just assume he is bad at this point.

[Grammaticus]

I was pretty sure that cronin said lawyers won't know if their services were hired until the end of the day. So you wouldn't know yet Swaggs.

Also I am going out on a limb here but guessing that there are some wealthy traitors and some less wealthy traitors.

st.cronin said the lawyers will not know until just prior to when their services will be used, or at the lynch deadline.

[Tyrith]

Darnit darnit darnit. I'm about in the same state Swaggs is now...I don't have anything specific, but I feel REALLY bad about this lynch now. So, for now, at least, I'm going to flip flop. Will probably come back to haunt me one way or another eventually.

UNVOTE KILL CW

[Swaggs]

I thought st.cronin said somewhere that the lawyers wouldn't know they were hired until after the fact...

Or was I dreaming that?

You are correct--I was just pointing it out in case anyone thinks I am changing my vote because CW hired me.

He has not at this point, but I may find out that he did tonight.

Just wanted to be clear.

[Swaggs]

I was pretty sure that cronin said lawyers won't know if their services were hired until the end of the day. So you wouldn't know yet Swaggs.

Also I am going out on a limb here but guessing that there are some wealthy traitors and some less wealthy traitors.

Ditto my previous post. I just wanted to make clear that my motive for unvoting CW was not because he is employing me (although that may happen, I won't know until tonight's deadline).

I think it is a good bet that the traitors are randomly placed amongst us, so you are likely right about the wealth of some of the traitors. I feel like CW said something that makes me feel he is loyal to the Republic and, therefore, would rather keep him alive than to sacrifice him to learn more about the game dynamics. Nothing concrete, just my point of view.

[Grammaticus]

Ditto my previous post. I just wanted to make clear that my motive for unvoting CW was not because he is employing me (although that may happen, I won't know until tonight's deadline).

I think it is a good bet that the traitors are randomly placed amongst us, so you are likely right about the wealth of some of the traitors. I feel like CW said something that makes me feel he is loyal to the Republic and, therefore, would rather keep him alive than to sacrifice him to learn more about the game dynamics. Nothing concrete, just my point of view.

Well, what did he say? I'd like to know as I have a vote to lynch out there. If there is evidence that he is good, I would definately consider that.

[DaddyTorgo]

heh. and of course 2 posts before my voting to toss him off the rock, CW makes a good point about how he came out suing for personal gain in a very un-wolfy move this early in such a large game, and how with one choice we don't gain any insight into anything with the votes of him (except with as i proposed, everyone including an explanation with their vote)

[Poli]

VOTE BARKEEP FOR CONSUL

[Swaggs]

Well, what did he say? I'd like to know as I have a vote to lynch out there. If there is evidence that he is good, I would definately consider that.

He subtly used a term that was similar to what was in my role description today in one of his defense posts. After re-checking his posts from early in the game, he used it there, as well.

As I said, nothing concrete, but enough that I would not feel good about voting for him to die today. I understand the logic behind voting for him, so that we can figure out what is going on, but I feel like there is a pretty good chance that he is loyal to the Republic and in combination with his wealth, I think we want him alive and on our side.

[Coffee Warlord]

He subtly used a term that was similar to what was in my role description today in one of his defense posts. After re-checking his posts from early in the game, he used it there, as well.

Yes, I realize I'm actually contradicting someone who is in my corner by saying thus, but my role description was about as short, generic and vanilla as you could possibly get. It was of course, mentioned I was the Yak Overlord, but, well, yeah.

So to be totally honest, if you read into something I said and think you got some sort of role info out of it, I can't even begin to fathom what. I haven't made any subtle attempts to give out any such information (largely 'cause there ain't nothing to give out).

[Swaggs]

Yes, I realize I'm actually contradicting someone who is in my corner by saying thus, but my role description was about as short, generic and vanilla as you could possibly get. It was of course, mentioned I was the Yak Overlord, but, well, yeah.

So to be totally honest, if you read into something I said and think you got some sort of role info out of it, I can't even begin to fathom what. I haven't made any subtle attempts to give out any such information (largely 'cause there ain't nothing to give out).

I was going off the assumption that, on Day 1, there were only a handful of folks that used the word "Republic" in their opening quote. Bonus for it being capitalized, as that is how it appeared in my PM.


You used the word "Republic" again in post #359.

The reason I give this some weight, besides the fact it is in my role description, is that stcronin did not use that word at all in any of the introduction posts (although he did say REPUBLICAN once). So, I think folks picking through the rules and generic descriptions would be more apt to pick out something derived from "Rome" or loyal Senator or something of that kind.

Perhaps I overthought things, but there is the thought process that, along with your post about your wealth being an asset to the Republic, lead me to remove my vote from you.

And, for what it is worth, it is also the reason I placed one of my votes on Autumn. He has been mentioning the term quite a bit throughout, as well.

[ImTheCrew]

OK guys i just spent over an hour catching up 6 pages of post
Im still sort of confused about the game but im starting to understand a bit more.

I have yet to be sued and would like to be sued

and ill make the following Cases

IMTHECREW SUES BULLETSPONGE
IMTHECREW SUES ALAN T

Bulletsponges inactiveness seems to be a Noobie Tarq(even though i have been very inactive but im cought up and will be around alot more)

VOTE KWITH TO CONSUL
VOTE BARKEEP TO CONSUL

Seems to be two people who will get the job done

VOTE CW INNOCENT

[ImTheCrew]

Dola- Forgot to say that im sorry i dont remember there Roman names i hope this isnt a problem

[Autumn]

Wow, I obviously have a lot to catch up on since last night. I will be busy and out until this evening, so I'll try to catch up then.

[saldana]

I don't know what he means by "The Tribune." Does that mean that we will collectively vote for who's arrested today?

i am the Tribune, so apparently, the duty will fall to me if no replacement is found

[saldana]

vote barkeep for Consul

vote execute CYW

sorry again CYW, but take solace that i only vote for your death in the hopes that it benefit us in the end...i really think we need to see the information that is revealed upon death in order to make better decisions in the future, should we find ourselves in similar situations.

[Coffee Warlord]

My other vote for Consul...

Elect Autumnus Leavus to Consul

[st.cronin]

I thought st.cronin said somewhere that the lawyers wouldn't know they were hired until after the fact...

Or was I dreaming that?

This is true, and perhaps requires clarification.

The "characters" of Swaggus Swaggus and Ardentus Enthusiastus will know they hav been hired. However, bound by confidentiality, the players are not permitted to reveal who has hired them. Thus, for gameplay purposes, the players do not know who has hired them until that fact becomes public.

Another question: If I don't get a volunteer to replace WVUFan's spot in the game, his Consular duties will be taken up by the Tribune of the Plebs, also known as Saldana. This will be for one day only, since tomorrow we will have two new Consuls.

[Alan T]

I was going off the assumption that, on Day 1, there were only a handful of folks that used the word "Republic" in their opening quote. Bonus for it being capitalized, as that is how it appeared in my PM.


You used the word "Republic" again in post #359.

The reason I give this some weight, besides the fact it is in my role description, is that stcronin did not use that word at all in any of the introduction posts (although he did say REPUBLICAN once). So, I think folks picking through the rules and generic descriptions would be more apt to pick out something derived from "Rome" or loyal Senator or something of that kind.

Perhaps I overthought things, but there is the thought process that, along with your post about your wealth being an asset to the Republic, lead me to remove my vote from you.

And, for what it is worth, it is also the reason I placed one of my votes on Autumn. He has been mentioning the term quite a bit throughout, as well.


I am hesitant about this for three reasons.

1) He wasn't the first to use it, so could have copied from someone else. (Kwhit was the first to use it, Coffee was the second I believe)

2) Cronin could have changed up wording in PMs a good bit to try to keep people from using PM matching to build trusts (Such as having varying words in different good guy PMS and having some of the same words in some of the bad guy pms).

3) I don't like using PMs to build trust lists in the first place.

You are right, he did say it though, and I hadn't noticed that before now. It was in my pM as well and I've referenced the republic alot this game in my conversation, but he did say it before anyone else other than Kwhit. I just think if we rely on that too much it will lead us in a trap at some point though. I still haven't voted for CW's being kicked off the rock, and am leaning towards not to right now, but does anyone have a vote count currently of who and how many people have voted for him?

[Alan T]

OK guys i just spent over an hour catching up 6 pages of post
Im still sort of confused about the game but im starting to understand a bit more.

I have yet to be sued and would like to be sued

and ill make the following Cases

IMTHECREW SUES BULLETSPONGE
IMTHECREW SUES ALAN T

Bulletsponges inactiveness seems to be a Noobie Tarq(even though i have been very inactive but im cought up and will be around alot more)

VOTE KWITH TO CONSUL
VOTE BARKEEP TO CONSUL

Seems to be two people who will get the job done

VOTE CW INNOCENT




Want to explain the reason behind suing me? You only explained why for Bullet's case.

[KWhit]

I was trying to avoid going down this road to build trust, but since the cat's out of the bag, I did use the word Republic first - not intentionally as a ploy to communicate that I was a good guy, but if it raises some people's trust in me, so be it.

[Tyrith]

I think I'm getting Stockholm's syndrome with CW now. Someone just tell me what to think about him.

[Chief Rum]

I didn't save as much time this morning as I thought, so I will have to be quick.

VOTE INNOCENT COFFEEUS WARLORDUS

I just don't think we should throw anyone off of the rock until we have at least heard some lawsuits. Alan's arguments have some merit, but they are Day 1 reasons with little evidence to give them weight. It's enough for Day Five. Not for Day One.

VOTE KWHITUS CONSUL
VOTE NARCIZO CONSUL

KWhit seems the popular choice from what I have read, so I will roll with it. Narcizo is someone whose opinion for which I have a growing respect, plus he'll probably be around when I get home.

One last thought, if it hasn't already been brought up (I haven't read the last two pages. There has been conjecture that wolves appear to not have a night kill. But we have a purchased service that is essentially a bodyguard (someone bought it yesterday and said what it was, I forget who, the legionnaire). Why bodyguard if no night kill? Ergo, there must be a night kill at some point available to the Tarqs.

If it's already been pointed out, of course, this is poiintlessly redundant.

Have a good day everyone!

[Peregrine]

After reading through all of today's messages, I'm going to have to join with those who think CW is innocent. As I said before, in this case, I don't think killing him is going to help our case. Given that we don't have free choice in our votes, voting on any one person without information is just not that helpful.

vote Coffee Warlord innocent

As for the Consuls, I have to admit I'm not sure. For now I'll give my support to Kwhit who seems to at least want the job, enthusiasm can perhaps cover over any weaknesses in his character.

vote Kwhit

[Narcizo]

I'm not sure this is really a safe opinion to have as a villager in a WW game, no matter how much you want to instinctively trust your friends.

Agreed with that. In fact it seems a very odd comment for Anxiety to make. How can you possibly trust someone from game to game?

[Narcizo]

OK we now have a bandwagon for voting CW innocent. I can understand that, I don't think there is any real evidence against him (that mentioned by Alan T didn't really strike me as damning at all, a fact he admits himself). However I think that it's in everyone's interest to keep the vote close - a bandwagon to free him is just as pointless as one to execute him - so I won't be moving my vote despite reservations.

I'm going to have another quick read through to decide on my second Consul vote. (although one candidate mentioned does jump out at me ;) )

[Neon_Chaos]

I have noticed the pattern in whom you have chosen to sue, but any reason why you decided to leave one individual out from a lawsuit?

Also I can not be re-elected today. The earliest I could be elected again as consul if people so chose would be on day 4.


Oh, nothing. Didn't st.cronin say that the guy I omitted was being replaced? That's why I didn't include him.

Ok then.

Vote for hoopsguy as Consul.

[Neon_Chaos]

dola.

two consul votes, right?

my other vote... bah

Vote for Consul -> Peregrine

Might as well. A little nod the guy who started the entire trend here in FOF.

[Narcizo]

For the reasons I've already hinted at (I won't be around immediately after deadline) I don't think I'm a very good choice for Consul. My instinct is to trust someone who comes out and says that they want the job. I know politics teaches you that you're not supposed to vote for someone who wants you to vote for them but I think making a move for a consulship at this stage of the game would be a very bold move for a wolf. Admittedly Barkeep is experienced player who could very well make such a bold move as a wolf but if we both scan and guard the two consuls then I think we could make it a reckless move rather than a bold one for a wolf to make. To be honest I think a person basically nominating someone else out of the blue is a far more wolfish move.

Vote Barkeep for Consul

[Narcizo]

And that would be me for tonight. I really hope we have two candidates to vote for tomorrow.

[LoneStarGirl]

vote kwit for consul

execute Cheif Rum

[Poli]

Ain't that odd.

[st.cronin]

execute Cheif Rum

I'm just sort of hopping on and off today, barely keeping up, but this vote will be recorded as a NO LYNCH vote. I haven't noticed if there are any other illegal votes or not.

[Tyrith]

BK seems like a decent enough consul candidate. I can't come up with a spectacular reason to not vote for him, at least. Woo consensus building!

ELECT BARKEEPUS...whatever whatever blah blah

[st.cronin]

I've already recieved a couple of bids for services that were available YESTERDAY but not TODAY. Please check the list carefully.

[Abe Sargent]

I was going off the assumption that, on Day 1, there were only a handful of folks that used the word "Republic" in their opening quote. Bonus for it being capitalized, as that is how it appeared in my PM.


You used the word "Republic" again in post #359.

The reason I give this some weight, besides the fact it is in my role description, is that stcronin did not use that word at all in any of the introduction posts (although he did say REPUBLICAN once). So, I think folks picking through the rules and generic descriptions would be more apt to pick out something derived from "Rome" or loyal Senator or something of that kind.

Perhaps I overthought things, but there is the thought process that, along with your post about your wealth being an asset to the Republic, lead me to remove my vote from you.

And, for what it is worth, it is also the reason I placed one of my votes on Autumn. He has been mentioning the term quite a bit throughout, as well.



I hate it when we play games like this with PM words.

[bulletsponge]

i would sue ImTheCrew, but i wonder if one of the peeps for hire can be assassins?

[Swaggs]

I hate it when we play games like this with PM words.

I'm not trying to sell anyone anything. I was asked, by Gramm, why I changed my mind and, essentially it is the first day vote here, so that was a deciding factor for me.

I have not made a plead for CW one way or another and said that I have nothing concrete. Everyone is entitled to their own vote, but avoiding the question from Gramm seemed foolish to me.

[Swaggs]

By the way, I don't like that Chief Rum came out running for Consul earlier today and then did not vote for himself. I don't think it makes him look guilty or anything, but it makes me not have faith that he feels that he will be available or up to task for the job, so...

Unvote Chief Rum for Consul

Vote KWhit for Consul

KWhit usually plays a sensible game and he has earned a bit of trust from me for being the first to mention that he is loyal to the Republic.

[Alan T]

So, I just got back home a bit ago and looked at where we were with votes. It appears we need a majority of votes to throw CW off of the rock, so with 28 players, that would be 15 votes needed. The two consul votes I believe are the two candidates with the most votes.

Consul:

(11) Kwhit - Sndvls (283), Ardent (327), Coffee Warlord (359), Narcizo (363), Anxiety (374), Tyrith (375), Bulletsponge (395), Imthecrew (412), Chief Rum (423), Peregrine (424), Lonestargirl (431)
(7) Barkeep - Barkeep (285), Grammaticus (400), Ardent (408), Imthecrew (412), Saldana (416), Narcizo (429), Tyrith (434)
(2) Chief Rum - Swaggs (342), Anxiety (370)
(2) Autumn - Swaggs (366), Coffee Warlord (417)
(1) Dodgerchick - Alan T (333)
(1) Grammaticus - Grammaticus (400)
(1) Narcizo - Chief Rum (423)
(1) Hoopsguy - Neon_chaos (427)
(1) Peregrine - Neon_chaos (428)


prisoner vote:

(6) Throw CW off rock - Barkeep (285), Narcizo (298), Anxiety (370), DaddyTorgo (393), Grammaticus (400), Saldana (416)


Lawsuits:

Chief rum sues Lonestargirl
Narcizo sues Peregrine
Neon_Chaos sues Anxiety, Antmeister, Autumn, Barkeep, Path, Peregrine, Sndvls
Alan T sues Chief Rum, Barkeep
Kwhit sues Chief Rum, DaddyTorgo, Hoopsguy, Narcizo, Neon_Chaos, Tyrith
Imthecrew sues Bulletsponge, Alan T

[Alan T]

My last post did not include Swaggs vote switch, but that didnt affect much as it appears Kwhit is a bandwagon landslide right now (And Barkeep is closing nearby).

I find a few people's moves today rather interesting in how they've conducted themselves and tried to just "go with the flow"

[Alan T]

I have one more consul vote, so will go ahead and use it:

Elect Swaggs to Consul

[Coffee Warlord]

I have one more consul vote, so will go ahead and use it:

[B]Elect Swaggs to Consul

Nothing against Swaggs, but are you sure it's wise to give the Consul powers to one of the lawyers?

[Alan T]

Nothing against Swaggs, but are you sure it's wise to give the Consul powers to one of the lawyers?

Well considering I know what a Consul can and can't do, I personally don't see much that a lawyer in the position would be able to do to abuse it more. Its not like a lawyer can force people to vote for someone they arrest, and a consul is under the thumb of the tribune whom can veto one of their moves.

So far watching today closely, I just feel Swaggs has been the least self serving, has had excellent questions, answers that seemed well thought out and thus my choice. Is he treasonous? I don't know, but I hope not.

[Coffee Warlord]

Fair enough, and for what it's worth, I agree with you about Swaggs's overall conduct.

[Lorena]

vote kwit for consul

execute Cheif Rum

Heh, interesting

[st.cronin]

This is what I have for Consul votes, please correct me if I'm wrong:

The wealthiest men in Rome are:

Bulletus Spongeus KWhit
Dodgus Erchickus
Imus Thecrewus KWhit Barkeep

The following Senators are known to be extremely wealthy:

Coffeus Yakus Warlordus KWhit Autumn
Ironsus Headus
Lonestarus Girlus KWhit
Marcus Vaughnus
Schmidtyus Schmidtyus

The following Senators are known to be moderately wealthy:

Abeus Anxietus KWhit Chief Rum
Antus Meisterus
Autumnus Leavus
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus Barkeep
Pathus Twelveus
Peregrinus Barbarus KWhit
Snus Dvlus KWhit
Westvus Fanus

The following (remaining) Senators are of ordinary wealth for the Senatorial class:
Alanus Teeus Dodgerchick Swaggs
Ardentus Enthusiastus Kwhit Barkeep
Chiefus Rumus KWhit Narcizo
Daddyus Torgous
Grammus Atticus Barkeep Grammaticus
Hoopus Guyus
Kayus Whitus
Narcizus Lispus KWhit Barkeep
Neonus Chaosus Hoopsguy
Saldanus Lathumus Barkeep
Swaggus Swaggus Chief Rum Autumn
Tyrus Ithus KWhit Barkeep

[KWhit]

I don't have a strong feeling either way on anyone at the present time, but will vote for Barkeep as I feel that he is a strong player who will do the right thing in his leadership position (assuming he is loyal to Rome). And I get a slightly good vibe from him, but nothing too solid yet, unfortunately.

VOTE KWHIT FOR CONSUL
VOTE BARKEEP FOR CONSUL

And I will NOT be voting to kill CW today unless new information comes out between now and the deadline. I don't think we learn much from killing him and he has been a solid presence so far - I hate to get rid of one of the more vocal players at this point for no good reason.

[Schmidty]

Schmidtyus has been AWOLUS. I hate that the WW forum isn't in GD anymore.

I just woke up. I'm home for a bit before I go to the park with my daughter for a picnic lunch. Anyway, I seem to have a moderate amount of catching up to do, but you'll hear from me later.

[Barkeep49]

While I like the reasoning used to advance Swaggs, I think KWhit is the other stronger candidate right now for consul. Therefore I will be endorsing him with my other vote.

Vote KWhit for Consul

[SnDvls]

VOTE Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus FOR CONSUL

no one else on the list screams at me to be put in this spot for today, but there is one person I'll probally vote for this job tomorrow.

[st.cronin]

VOTE Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus FOR CONSUL

no one else on the list screams at me to be put in this spot for today, but there is one person I'll probally vote for this job tomorrow.

Votes for Consul are every TWO days.

[SnDvls]

Votes for Consul are every TWO days.

they know what I mean ;)

[Lorena]

I don't have a lot of tiem right now so I'll post some quick thoughts:

More often than not, Day 1 lynches have been against villagers so I'm leaning towards keeping CW alive until we find out what happens with the lawsuits later today.

As far as consul, I'm not sure who to go with. The only person I'm 100% sure about being loyal to the Republic is me so yeah, I'll throw my name in there. Just because I'm not active doesn't mean I shouldn't be considered. One of my strong points is that I listen to what people say; but at the same time that may be one of my weakest points so do with it what you will.

I'm always leary of people who vote and run with no explanations like LSG did. I mean heck, she didn't even choose the right person to execute!

That's it for now, I'll come by later and post some more. I need to update my spreadsheet to keep track of votes and all.

[hoopsguy]

So far there has been no word out there about services, other than a couple of people who have indicated that they were the people who obtained said service.

Also, I'm still very intrigued to see how the Tarq removal method comes into play. Given a single cycle, I expected to see someone die or offer up that their hired servant had prevented a murder.

[KWhit]

I'm guessing that there will be a death or conversion attempt that happens at the 9pm deadline.

[Grammaticus]

I don't think I'm getting much support on the Consul vote, so I will concede and switch to my other option:

UNVOTE GRAMMATICUS ATTICUS FOR CONSUL

VOTE HOOPUS GUYUS FOR CONSUL

Also, with the new evidence to support CW, I'm going to back off. I don't think the PM post clears CW, but it is more supportive than any lynch support:

UNVOTE COFFIUS WARLORDUS FOR LYNCH

I think it is bad not to lynch, but hopefully the bad guys will not be able to kill or have some difficulty in killing. Although I really think that goes against conventional wisdom.

[Barkeep49]

So far there has been no word out there about services, other than a couple of people who have indicated that they were the people who obtained said service.

Also, I'm still very intrigued to see how the Tarq removal method comes into play. Given a single cycle, I expected to see someone die or offer up that their hired servant had prevented a murder.
I agree that they will make some sort of play at deadline. I mean they don't gain by sitting still either.

[Alan T]

So far there has been no word out there about services, other than a couple of people who have indicated that they were the people who obtained said service.


What else do you want to know this early in the day? I personally think that is too much for right now, and am a bit dissapointed at people who revealed such.

[Marc Vaughan]

Having returned from his latest Toga party with a splitting hangover my character is very much suprised to be alive and kicking .... you lot are slipping ;)

VOTE HOOPUS GUYUS FOR CONSUL

[Grammaticus]

What else do you want to know this early in the day? I personally think that is too much for right now, and am a bit dissapointed at people who revealed such.

What do you think is the value in not saying anything? If we win you would still have the day to use whatever the service does. I suppose there is the possibility the Tarqs can kill at any point in the during the day. I think that mechanic has been used in the past.

I think it only helps the Republic to know what the services does as long as the bidding and winners are not public until the service is used.

[st.cronin]

Having returned from his latest Toga party with a splitting hangover my character is very much suprised to be alive and kicking .... you lot are slipping ;)

VOTE HOOPUS GUYUS FOR CONSUL

no editing posts, n00b
also you get two votes for Consul

[Coffee Warlord]

I wanted to wait a little closer to deadline to post this, but a friend of mine is coming over, so my availability will be questionable starting in about an hour or so.

I did, in fact, hire Swaggs last night, to help me in my lawsuit. (As a side, I was informed that I can use him both for the treason defense AND the lawsuit). So, in all honesty, if there is a signifigant bonus to the lawyer's power if you are innocent (which dammit, I am), I was never exceptionally worried about getting axed. Obviously I'd rather not take the chance at all, but I think/hope the odds were high that I lived either way.

That said, I intentionally kept this info quiet to see how people lined up for/against me. I figure this knowledge would sway the vote quite a bit, so I planned on waiting till about an hour before deadline to say it. RL changed that a little, but whaddya gonna do.

So, there you go. I can field questions, if there are any, for the next short while.

[Alan T]

What do you think is the value in not saying anything? If we win you would still have the day to use whatever the service does. I suppose there is the possibility the Tarqs can kill at any point in the during the day. I think that mechanic has been used in the past.

I think it only helps the Republic to know what the services does as long as the bidding and winners are not public until the service is used.

So you would rather tell the traitors who has the services of bodyguards/etc so they don't have to guess as much? Instead of my suggestion from several times earlier that we inform everyone on what they do after its no longer in use?

I still am upset that some people chose to disclose they had bodyguards early on. If it was me, I would have tried to figure out some way to see if I could get someone to attack me and have a bodyguard protect me rather than just helping them know who to avoid.

I still stand by the thought that I like my plan the best, after the deadline, people can disclose information on the services they purchased, how they used it, what it did, etc. Just makes no sense giving the tarqs a roadmap for their efforts.

As for people asking when do we expect them to act against us? I already said yesterday that I expected them to not be able to kill since we had no access to services yesterday. Now today will be a different story, and since there is just one day phase, their kills (or whatever they do) will be during this same cycle we are working in. So this is an increased game of cat and mouse, where we need to pass information along to our side when it makes sense. For people with bodyguards, that means after they can't foil the bad guys any longer. I don't understand why suddenly you all are interested in having bodyguards announce their moves ahead of time.

[KWhit]

Who are you suing again?

[Coffee Warlord]

Ironus. Same level of money as me, I figured I'd go for the Best Damn Lawyer and try and cash in.

[KWhit]

Who are you suing again?

That was to CW.

[Alan T]

I wanted to wait a little closer to deadline to post this, but a friend of mine is coming over, so my availability will be questionable starting in about an hour or so.

I did, in fact, hire Swaggs last night, to help me in my lawsuit. (As a side, I was informed that I can use him both for the treason defense AND the lawsuit). So, in all honesty, if there is a signifigant bonus to the lawyer's power if you are innocent (which dammit, I am), I was never exceptionally worried about getting axed. Obviously I'd rather not take the chance at all, but I think/hope the odds were high that I lived either way.

That said, I intentionally kept this info quiet to see how people lined up for/against me. I figure this knowledge would sway the vote quite a bit, so I planned on waiting till about an hour before deadline to say it. RL changed that a little, but whaddya gonna do.

So, there you go. I can field questions, if there are any, for the next short while.

Since you have more knowledge about how lawyers work, do you also have more information about how the lawsuits actually work? Were you required to provide any kind of information for your suit that you are using him for, or is it all done behind the scenes? (ie: you just hired the lawyer and the rest is done for you?)

[Coffee Warlord]

I get the impression it's all behind the scenes stuff. Basically I was told I successfully have his services for the day.

[Coffee Warlord]

I get the impression it's all behind the scenes stuff. Basically I was told I successfully have his services for the day.

To clarify, there was nothing about how it all actually goes down.

[Grammaticus]

So you would rather tell the traitors who has the services of bodyguards/etc so they don't have to guess as much? Instead of my suggestion from several times earlier that we inform everyone on what they do after its no longer in use?

I still am upset that some people chose to disclose they had bodyguards early on. If it was me, I would have tried to figure out some way to see if I could get someone to attack me and have a bodyguard protect me rather than just helping them know who to avoid.

I still stand by the thought that I like my plan the best, after the deadline, people can disclose information on the services they purchased, how they used it, what it did, etc. Just makes no sense giving the tarqs a roadmap for their efforts.

As for people asking when do we expect them to act against us? I already said yesterday that I expected them to not be able to kill since we had no access to services yesterday. Now today will be a different story, and since there is just one day phase, their kills (or whatever they do) will be during this same cycle we are working in. So this is an increased game of cat and mouse, where we need to pass information along to our side when it makes sense. For people with bodyguards, that means after they can't foil the bad guys any longer. I don't understand why suddenly you all are interested in having bodyguards announce their moves ahead of time.

I don't think it is a good idea to announce who you are guarding. At this point, maybe not even that you won. But just because you won someone and said they are a bodyguard, it does not mean you have to use it on yourself. I could win a bodyguard and apply it to you. The Tarqs would be wary of attacking me because they know I have a bodyguard and I would likely increase the chance of a block by applying it elsewhere.

Although if I won a bodyguard's services, I don't think I would tell anyone at this point in the game. I would be concerned that I might get killed before the end of cycle and not be able to use the BG. The biggest issue is not knowing how the mechanics will work out.

[Alan T]

I don't think it is a good idea to announce who you are guarding. At this point, maybe not even that you won. But just because you won someone and said they are a bodyguard, it does not mean you have to use it on yourself. I could win a bodyguard and apply it to you. The Tarqs would be wary of attacking me because they know I have a bodyguard and I would likely increase the chance of a block by applying it elsewhere.

Although if I won a bodyguard's services, I don't think I would tell anyone at this point in the game. I would be concerned that I might get killed before the end of cycle and not be able to use the BG. The biggest issue is not knowing how the mechanics will work out.

I guess I'm in the minority because I really don't trust many people enough to know where to send a bodyguard other than myself.

[Grammaticus]

I guess I'm in the minority because I really don't trust many people enough to know where to send a bodyguard other than myself.

Yeah, I can think of one or two decent options other than myself right now.

[Schmidty]

I am so freaking confused.

[Coffee Warlord]

Buddy's here. I'll try and check in, since we're not going out, but it's gonna be spotty.

[Ironhead]

Well, if Coffee Warlord is good and he wins his suit against me then at least one of us will have more wealth to obtain services for the village. Granted, since I know for a fact that I am loyal to Rome I would rather have that wealth myself until I know where CW's loyalties are. And if I am really being inspected by the best lawyer hopefully that can help clear my loyalties in some way.

It is noteworthy that CW is in the second tier of wealth, so if anyone in the top tier had bid on the services of the best lawyer in Rome they would have beaten him. None of the three people in the top tier of wealth are pressing suit today so I don't think he is bluffing about winning the lawyer. However, if the three people in the top tier of wealth were good they still could have ensured the services of the lawyer for the village. Why did none of the three people in the top wealth tier bid on the best lawyer?

[Ironhead]

Anyone have an updated count of the votes?

[Poli]

So far there has been no word out there about services, other than a couple of people who have indicated that they were the people who obtained said service.

Speak for yourself. I came out right away saying what mine was.

You're worrying me by making broad generalizations. First, with me and CW, now with this.

[Peregrine]

I have a second consul vote remaining, and since it probably doesn't matter at this point, I will

vote Narcizo for Consul

He seems to be doing a pretty good job of thinking things through.

[Alan T]

Anyone have an updated count of the votes?

This is what i have right now:

Consul:

(14) Kwhit - Sndvls (283), Ardent (327), Coffee Warlord (359), Narcizo (363), Anxiety (374), Tyrith (375), Bulletsponge (395), Imthecrew (412), Chief Rum (423), Peregrine (424), Lonestargirl (431), Swaggs (439), Kwhit (448), Barkeep 450)
(9) Barkeep - Barkeep (285), Grammaticus (400), Ardent (408), Imthecrew (412), Saldana (416), Narcizo (429), Tyrith (434), Kwhit (448), Sndvls (451)
(3) Hoopsguy - Neon_chaos (427), Grammaticus (456), Marc Vaughan (460)
(2) Autumn - Swaggs (366), Coffee Warlord (417)
(2) Narcizo - Chief Rum (423), Peregrine (479)
(1) Dodgerchick - Alan T (333)
(1) Chief Rum - Anxiety (370)
(1) Peregrine - Neon_chaos (428)
(1) Swaggs - Alan T (442)


prisoner vote:

(5) Throw CW off rock - Barkeep (285), Narcizo (298), Anxiety (370), DaddyTorgo (393), Saldana (416)


Lawsuits:

Chief rum sues Lonestargirl
Narcizo sues Peregrine
Neon_Chaos sues Anxiety, Antmeister, Autumn, Barkeep, Path, Peregrine, Sndvls
Alan T sues Chief Rum, Barkeep
Kwhit sues Chief Rum, DaddyTorgo, Hoopsguy, Narcizo, Neon_Chaos, Tyrith
Imthecrew sues Bulletsponge, Alan T

[st.cronin]

I think I need to repost this because almost everybody so far has bid for services that were available YESTERDAY:

Persons selling their services in the Forum

Maximus Maximus, ex-legionnaire
Vitus Avidus, ex-legionnaire
Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves
Macro Gothicus, barbarian turned citizen for his service during wartime
Balbus Senna, political philosopher from Corsica
Faustus Felix, owner of many horses
Bonus Oceanus, owner of many horses

and of course,

Swaggus Swaggus
Ardentus Enthusiastus

Some of them are the same as yesterday, some of them are not.

[Poli]

Bid often for my services!

[Schmidty]

Ok, here goes:

Vote Hoopus Guyus to Consul

Vote Kayus Whitus to Consul

Vote Coffeus Yakus Warlordus innocent

[path12]

Sorry, I've been gone all day unexpectedly. Catching up.

[Alan T]

Heading out to drive to the hospital. Not sure if I'll be back before deadline, so placing in my orders to arrest for tonight now. Had waited to see who voted for whom and when and most importantly why today before making my decision. I'll be back after deadline to once again give my reasons, but this time no longer as Consul.

[path12]

The attention thing and the quiet thing are related concerns. When we get so much focus on a single player, making them the center of a lot of what's going on -- especially in a game this size -- it casts a shadow for the quiet players to hide in. It doesn't as much alarm me about YOUR allegiance as much as concern me about the general game situation and our ability to effectively pick targets.

I think this is a very good point. We should follow lots of leads and ideas rather than risking excessive focus and time on a red herring.

[hoopsguy]

What else do you want to know this early in the day? I personally think that is too much for right now, and am a bit dissapointed at people who revealed such.

Well, at 4PM (CST) I didn't feel like we were that early in the day. I don't understand what the delivery mechanism is, given that I didn't succeed in my bid. Do they go into effect for the duration of the following day? For an instant in time as we transition from one day to the next?

If they have exercised a service, I would be interested in knowing if they learned something from the experience, at the very least. Because I'm struggling at the moment without a firm grounding of rules to work with as I make decisions on voting. I don't know if the Tarqs can kill or not kill. I don't know what kind of information is available with the roles.

If it is better that I don't have this information because it leaves our opponents in the dark as well then I'm fine with that reasoning. I'm concerned, however, that they have more information than we do right now and are making more informed decisions.

[Lorena]

I feel kind of bad because I can't give this game the time it deserves with so much going on IRL, but now that I'm here, I'll do what I feel is best for the Republic.

Vote Dodgerchick for counsel
Vote Kwhit for counsel
Vote Coffee Warlord innocent

I'm voting for myself because well, I'm the only person I trust at this point.

Kwhit has been pretty out there and I doubt a wolf would be THAT bold, so why the heck not?

I gave reasons why I'm voting for Coffee Warlord's innocence earlier and I'm sticking by it.

I guess that's it for now, I'm about to go to bed and will check the thread a little at a time from work. I'm looking forward to what happens with all the lawsuits.

[hoopsguy]

Ardent, you are correct. I apologize for not indicating that you were forthcoming with information. One of the rare times I've had to catch up on 200 or so posts because I was out most of the day and I missed it.

I'm going to vote CW innocent at this point in time - given the point in the day where I'm voting realistically it is a low-value vote for either side. As far as representation, I would like to see a little more competition for those spots if there is time. I haven't gotten a great trust vibe off of Barkeep so far this game.

VOTE WARLORD INNOCENT
VOTE CONSULS HOOPSGUY AND DODGERCHICK

[DaddyTorgo]

is warlord still in any danger? i'll unvote him if necessary, but I don't want to just bandwagon onto that for the sake of bandwagoning. I stand by vote at the time it was made during the day.

[Poli]

Ardent, you are correct. I apologize for not indicating that you were forthcoming with information. One of the rare times I've had to catch up on 200 or so posts because I was out most of the day and I missed it.

I'm going to vote CW innocent at this point in time - given the point in the day where I'm voting realistically it is a low-value vote for either side. As far as representation, I would like to see a little more competition for those spots if there is time. I haven't gotten a great trust vibe off of Barkeep so far this game.

VOTE WARLORD INNOCENT
VOTE CONSULS HOOPSGUY AND DODGERCHICK

Very well, I'll grant you leniency. I do recall you being in the temple all day. :)

[saldana]

its too bad swaggus isnt here to confirm the story of coffeeus yakus, but it doesnt appear that it is going to make a difference. although i still feel we need to lynch someone in order just to understand the mechanics at work here, i am ok with CYW being spared

unvote execute yakus

vote coffeeus warlordus for Consul

[path12]

It's such a stab in the dark until the mechanics become more clear. So, the folks I've liked today:

VOTE DODGUS ERCHICKUS CONSUL. I do like the reasoning of the wealthier having a better chance to hire protection.

Also, VOTE BARKEEPUS VALERIUS FORTYNINEUS CONSUL. I trust him to consider matters carefully.

Also, I can't see the lynch value early in this particular game:
VOTE COFFEUS YAKUS WARLORDUS INNOCENT

I am quite interested to see how the lawsuits work out. I have held back on suing until that was more clear, and I didn't have a valid case to sue anyone for.

[Ironhead]

VOTE CONSUL KWHIT & NEON CHAOS
VOTE COFFEE MONKEY INNOCENT

I feel alright about placing KWhit in power right now for many of the reasons brought up previously: his early aggressive play would be bold even for a wolf, because I doubt even the wolves know how the lawsuit system works yet. The fact that he is willing to throw so many out there in the first two days gives me some reassurance. I don't have any particular insight into Neon Chaos aside from the fact that he seems to be suing some of the people that I have some slight suspicions of right now, and abstaining or voting for myself does no one any good.

Coffee Monkey could easily be bad and I am not convinced one way or another of his guilt or innocence as no info is out there. At this point I am willing to let him live in the hopes that his suit against me provides some insight into how lawsuits work, and also provides evidence of my loyalty to Rome.

[Marc Vaughan]

no editing posts, n00b
also you get two votes for Consul

Ok also ..

Vote Dodgerchick for counsel

(on the basis that anyone confident enough to vote for themselves has to be ok in by book ;) )

[Marc Vaughan]

(or VOTE DODGUS ERCHICKUS CONSUL if you prefer)

[KWhit]

I am quite interested to see how the lawsuits work out.

Yeah. Me too.

:)

[Antmeister]

It is my hope that these senators help to root out the evil that still resides among us.
Vote Grammaticus for Consul
Vote Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus for Consul
Because one of the Consul was missing, I deem it unfair that he sees his demise without the same fairness that others will receive when it comes to having chances.
Vote Coffeus Yakus Warlordus Innocent

For this senator to attempt to drag my good name in the filth of pigs, I shall counter sue him to hopefully learn if he has evil intentions in his heart.
Antus Meisterus sues Neonus Chaosus

[Poli]

Swaggus couldn't confirm the lawsuit if he wanted to.

It'd be pretty sweet, but I'm sure even if that friggin cronin told us, he'd swear us to something stupid like a client confidentiality thing.

[Poli]

I'm sueing to find out who I represent.