Werewolf XLV - ROME! (Game over, post 3425)

[Poli]

CW, since I had no clue that I was used (or reportedly used) as an investigator, I doubt that Swaggs knew either.

That said, if I were bad, then I probably would report Alan T as the opposite of what he really was.

Just a quick thought.

[DaddyTorgo]

alan...i went along with it so easily because it was the exact same idea i was having about them (i honestly don't recall without looking who had the ideas first, but i just know that as i was looking i was like "hey i just had that idea! +1 for alan in my trust. +1 for hoops in my trust...i just had that idea too!"

it seemed like we were all on the same page with regards to trying to think of the best ways to get information for us villagers.

maybe you're just not giving me enough credit and i'm that good??

and as for being quiet...my day was long. my day today will be long too...meeting up with a friend after work so i will likely have to vote from my phone or from work before the end of the afternoon.

[Poli]

I guess I have to tell my nanny that I'll be away for a few hours or else he'll think that I;m intentionally avoiding him or something. Nanny, I'll be away for a while. When I come back, if your very very good, you can ask me any three questions you want, and I'll answer each with total truthness.
?

[Alan T]

Here you go Anxiety,

I don't know. As a good guy, as a GM, and as a bad guy I've seen villagers waste a day or more in a game because they started t osecond guess a candidate for no real reason other than "we can;t all support a candidate this soon."

I, for one, trust KWhit. I always have, including our little survivor Lupus team. As such, I'm happy to spend my other vote.

Vote to Consul whatever KWhit's nick is.

I mainly was giving you grief figuring you were saying it to be funny that you trusted someone when you were actually a wolf, so I replied:

Wern't you a bad guy in that game? :)

To which you suprised me by avoiding the question, referencing things that didn't even have anything to do with your post that I quoted.

In which game. The city? Nope. The sheffir and the town? No. i've seen people chjoose not to vote for someone to power just because, and it was silly on multiple occasions when I wasn't the bad guy.

So I responded back letting you know how I felt, figuring we'd put it to rest as just some silly joke.

I dont think my response, or the comment from you that I quoted referred to the city, the sherrif and the town or anything along those lines.

You made a comment that you trusted kwhit in the survivor game, and I asked wern't you a bad guy in that game? I found that more funny then anything at the time, but not sure why you are avoiding answering it.

But you never responded, yet still posted other things.

I hate it when we play games like this with PM words.


So yeah, it seemed like a funny joke that I laughed at which turned into you avoiding answering for who knows what reason to me.

[Alan T]

I guess I have to tell my nanny that I'll be away for a few hours or else he'll think that I;m intentionally avoiding him or something. Nanny, I'll be away for a while. When I come back, if your very very good, you can ask me any three questions you want, and I'll answer each with total truthness.

Yeah, you're really funny. Just keep avoid answering questions or answer with completely unrelated nonsensical replies. Like I said, I figured it was just a joke. I honestly have no idea why you're being so stubborn.

[KWhit]

It's always interesting in these games when something very simple turns out to become a big issue. Not sure that is happening here, but it sure seems to be heading that way.

[saldana]

ok, i waited on commenting on this until after i had a chance to speak with St.Cronin....

i never put in arrest warrant last night because i was never told definitively that it was mine to do. i was expecting a PM from him at any point during the day telling me that i needed to choose someone, and i never got such a message, so i assumed he was still working on a replacement. I dont even know what the exact mechanic for arrests is (that is to say, when they had to be in by) since it wasnt part of my role PM. this actually does matter, because with everything resolving at the same time, to me, it seemed logical that the timing of the arrests should be after the timing of the execution (what if i wanted to arrest coffee warlord, and was waiting to see if he was executed or not)

as soon as i woke up and saw that I "missed the deadline" i sent a PM with a name that i wanted to have arrested. Cronin has informed me that he is not going to accept it because it is past the deadline.

my apologies to my fellow players for not making the assumption that i should have issued a warrant for someone, despite not ever being told definitively that it was my responsibility.

vote execute bulletus spongeuos (or whatever his name is)

[Grammaticus]

I tried for the Priest guy on day one and did not get his services. Being in the bottom wealth tier would pretty much mean anyone could have beat me. But, since both Path and I bid for the guy, and neither got him. That means somebody did.

Also, I did bid for one of the horse traders on the second day and got nothing.

[KWhit]

Testing a couple of theories...

KAYUS WHITUS SUES:

Abeus Anxietus
Antus Meisterus
Autumnus Leavus
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Narcizus Lispus
Pathus Twelveus
Peregrinus Barbarus

[Tyrith]

Are the theories anything you care to enlighten us about in the near term?

[Ironhead]

My list of potential arrests:

1. Narcazio -- Moved up a rank of wealth for no apparent reason
2. ITC -- Hardly ever an active player so this game isn't unusual, but as a rule I'm in favor of going after those who are less active
3. Ironhead -- Troubling inconsistencies

I would be open to other ideas as well.

At work right now, posting this in a hurry so forgive any typos or rambling.

I want to try and give some insight into my Day 2 thought process. We started off with 28 players. I am new to Werewolf but from what I gather in a game of this size we can probably expect there to be 5-6 wolves. Anyone can bid on services, but not everyone has equal access to those services because of wealth. Given that the wolves are small in number, and only a few of them likely have enough wealth to access services it would take them longer to figure out what all of the services do. By specially defining in the open what each service does they 1)can narrow down the services that best aid them and 2)they can coordinate which services each person will bid on. Keep in mind that the village does not have the advantage of avoiding double, triple, etc... bids for the same service. To me a reveal of what services do what benefits the wolves more than it does the village.

From his day 1 & 2 posts I had AlanT on at least a neutral trust level, and I felt better about my through process regarding services when he had posted he didn't favor their reveal either. When I checked in last night and he was asking that they be revealed it set of a red flag for me. It turned out it was my fault though because I had only remembered his post about them not being revealed, and not the later post about revealing them after the deadline. When Dodgerchick posted that she scanned AlanT and cleared him, and then she posted her trust list based on what I personally felt was iffy reasoning I felt the need to push further into it.

If you wanted to say I had any kind of agenda it would be to make sure the village did not make the same mistake it did last game, when Hoopsguy was cleared by the seer and turned out to be bad. Granted that was due to a conversion, but still. The whole thing felt very convenient to me given that AlanT was the first person to vote Dodgerchick for Consul, then Dodgerchick cleared him and lumped him in a neat little trust group.

Now regarding services I am willing to reveal that I was the person who won the services of the Priest on Day 2. I did not use his ability yesterday as it did not come into play. I also won another service last night, one that if in the wrong hands could be dangerous to the village. I also do not want to reveal that in the open.

I should be back on around 7 pm to check in after work.

[KWhit]

Are the theories anything you care to enlighten us about in the near term?

Not really. Right now, I'm suing everyone in my wealth bracket to see what happens.

[Barkeep49]

Not really. Right now, I'm suing everyone in my wealth bracket to see what happens.
I have to admit based on yesterday I'm a little scared of you right now.

[Peregrine]

Well it looks like we're going to have a pretty overwhelming vote today, as almost everyone is voting to kill bulletsponge. That's not going to get us too much info. We definitely need those two arrests for tomorrow.

I'd have to say I'm pretty suspicious of LoneStarGirl. She's barely been here at all with only three posts, and none of them have really been very helpful. If we're looking for someone who is under the radar, she's definitely there.

[Tyrith]

Well it looks like we're going to have a pretty overwhelming vote today, as almost everyone is voting to kill bulletsponge. That's not going to get us too much info. We definitely need those two arrests for tomorrow.

I'd have to say I'm pretty suspicious of LoneStarGirl. She's barely been here at all with only three posts, and none of them have really been very helpful. If we're looking for someone who is under the radar, she's definitely there.

Once upon a time we killed bulletsponge with something like a 16-0 vote. He even voted to kill himself. It was quite grand.

[Alan T]

Well it looks like we're going to have a pretty overwhelming vote today, as almost everyone is voting to kill bulletsponge. That's not going to get us too much info. We definitely need those two arrests for tomorrow.

I'd have to say I'm pretty suspicious of LoneStarGirl. She's barely been here at all with only three posts, and none of them have really been very helpful. If we're looking for someone who is under the radar, she's definitely there.

I placed him under arrest, but I haven't yet voted on him. So far his defense of himself has been very non-spectacular. I'm willing to give him a bit more time to try to say why he is worth saving though. I think most of the senate was reasonable in listening to CW, and only time will tell if that was wise or they were duped. So I think that Bullet at least needs to make an effort today.

[KWhit]

Well it looks like we're going to have a pretty overwhelming vote today, as almost everyone is voting to kill bulletsponge. That's not going to get us too much info. We definitely need those two arrests for tomorrow.

I am more than likely going to vote to kill BS today, but was hoping to hear something from him first.

[KWhit]

I'd have to say I'm pretty suspicious of LoneStarGirl. She's barely been here at all with only three posts, and none of them have really been very helpful. If we're looking for someone who is under the radar, she's definitely there.

I agree, but think she's almost TOO under the radar. Usually the bad guys try to avoid being COMPLETELY inactive like she has been.

[Tyrith]

There is certainly information to be gleaned from the lawsuits, at least in theory. It's possible, as has been discussed, we have secret rankings as to our skill in winning in court -- a dueling mechanic, like in Gramm's game. And if that's the case knowing kind of where we stand would be nice, especially since we can sick the best arguer on everyone and see if evidence comes out. This would also give this information to the wolves, making the better litigators targets, but at least we'd have a clue as to where we stand.

However, I would also think it's reasonable that there might be alternate win conditions at work here, and KWhit has turned into the lawsuit freak to achieve his own ends, regardless of what side he's on. So a degree of caution is in order.

[hoopsguy]

Once upon a time we killed bulletsponge with something like a 16-0 vote. He even voted to kill himself. It was quite grand.

And he was a villager, if I recall correctly.

I'm not truly expecting him to mount a big defense, but that is what stinks about the position we find ourselves in. He is among the wealthiest citizens and has resources that could likely help the cause.

But he doesn't actively participate, which causes distrust. Which he doesn't really try to negate. There is a group dynamic that comes into play with WW that he just doesn't really acknowledge. And I can't see how it is much fun.

[KWhit]

I have to admit based on yesterday I'm a little scared of you right now.

Another thing I'm very interested in is whether or not my success rate changes from day to day. That's why I wanted a fairly large group of lawsuits to see what happens both tonight and tomorrow night.

[Tyrith]

I think it'll be easier to differentiate the UTRs once we kill off a few more people. We still have 26 people in the game, and while we need to start cutting down the ranks of quiet people there are just so many candidates that it's kind of hard for me to differentiate now. Once the game is a little smaller I will personally be able to judge things better. Right now, just too many variables.

[KWhit]

And don't forget that lawyers can sway the vote. It is not enough to just throw your vote away (or not vote at all) because it appears that we have a majority. Every vote really does count in this game.

[Alan T]

There is certainly information to be gleaned from the lawsuits, at least in theory. It's possible, as has been discussed, we have secret rankings as to our skill in winning in court -- a dueling mechanic, like in Gramm's game. And if that's the case knowing kind of where we stand would be nice, especially since we can sick the best arguer on everyone and see if evidence comes out. This would also give this information to the wolves, making the better litigators targets, but at least we'd have a clue as to where we stand.

However, I would also think it's reasonable that there might be alternate win conditions at work here, and KWhit has turned into the lawsuit freak to achieve his own ends, regardless of what side he's on. So a degree of caution is in order.

I can't imagine someone having a winning condition based on something that we can't stop... ie: winning or placing X amount of lawsuits. None of us have the ability as far as i know to prevent others from placing lawsuits. That feels like a broken winning condition to me.

[Alan T]

I think it'll be easier to differentiate the UTRs once we kill off a few more people. We still have 26 people in the game, and while we need to start cutting down the ranks of quiet people there are just so many candidates that it's kind of hard for me to differentiate now. Once the game is a little smaller I will personally be able to judge things better. Right now, just too many variables.

I disagree completely. Once we get in to day 5, 6, 7 we'll have more evidence to try to push on people regardless if they are quiet or not. Every game people talk about going after the UTR folks, but no one ever does once evidence starts coming out pointing at other people. Really the only time in any game that UTR people are actively targeted is at the beginning of a game. That is why an UTR wolf can be so effective if they make it past the first few days.

[Poli]

And don't forget that lawyers can sway the vote. It is not enough to just throw your vote away (or not vote at all) because it appears that we have a majority. Every vote really does count in this game.
I wish the lawyers had more knowledge of what they were doing, honestly.

I feel like people are questioning what happened with me.

I'm confident, though, that Schmidty (who I believe is the new lawyer) will back me up on lack of information.

[Alan T]

And don't forget that lawyers can sway the vote. It is not enough to just throw your vote away (or not vote at all) because it appears that we have a majority. Every vote really does count in this game.

I haven't had time yet today to total up the votes like I did yesterday, but so far I don't recall us having enough for a lynch yet. 14 votes is alot of votes to get no matter how you cut it.

[Alan T]

I wish the lawyers had more knowledge of what they were doing, honestly.

I feel like people are questioning what happened with me.

I'm confident, though, that Schmidty (who I believe is the new lawyer) will back me up on lack of information.

I am assuming no one hired schmidty for today as no one knew he was a lawyer until today started. So I don't think he'll be able to back you up on much right now.

[Poli]

!

[Tyrith]

I disagree completely. Once we get in to day 5, 6, 7 we'll have more evidence to try to push on people regardless if they are quiet or not. Every game people talk about going after the UTR folks, but no one ever does once evidence starts coming out pointing at other people. Really the only time in any game that UTR people are actively targeted is at the beginning of a game. That is why an UTR wolf can be so effective if they make it past the first few days.

Hrm, true. But the thing is with a game this size is that it's probably going to last longer. Especially since we didn't really have a day 1. I feel like right now we're still in day 2 or so, in terms of the maturity level of the game. And we don't even really have any voting records, since no one has died to tell us their allegiance. Unless we get more info unexpectedly I'd expect we have another day or two of UTR crushing left.

That said, people that I'd really like to hear more from, if I had to narrow the UTR list down:

Marc Vaughn
Antmeister
Neon Chaos

LSG's behavior doesn't strike me as terribly out of line for her, if I'm remembering past games correctly. ITC, likewise. Schmidty generally has low post count, so he's okay so far -- I'm not worried about him staying out of the limelight ;) Another person that strikes me as not being as involved as I might expect is saldana, but it's still early for that. And AE's post a lot, but not say too much stance has already been documented.

[KWhit]

However, I would also think it's reasonable that there might be alternate win conditions at work here, and KWhit has turned into the lawsuit freak to achieve his own ends, regardless of what side he's on. So a degree of caution is in order.

So far, we have not hit the lawsuit limit on either day. So I am not keeping others from making their lawsuits. And I purposefully waited until late-ish in the day so people could have plenty of time to make their suits before I got on the court docket, so to speak.

I definitely have no winning condition that relates to lawsuits. I however, do have the most information to work from (based on sample size) that we can use to discover what the mechanic at work might be. So I'm continuing to sue to do three things:

1) Give us more data.
2) Test out a half-baked theory or two of my own
3) Get some more money to protect the cause of the Loyal Romans

I want money. It is true. Why? Because I KNOW I'm a good guy. And because many others seemingly are starting to at least slightly believe that I'm good too. So I'm using this opportunity to play my advantage a bit and see what happens.

I assure you, I am not just doing this for myself. I am not opposed to buying services and sharing them with others if I get in the position where that makes sense.

And I appreciate the fact that others have shared their services with me.

[Tyrith]

Is exactly 50% going to count as a majority in this game? This has probably also been answered before, but we're at 26, so it could be 13 or 14.

[Tyrith]

KWhit, makes sense to me. But I still don't think it's impossible that you have your own motivations, but for now you seem to be working in our best interests, and your logic is sound. So I'll just let it go as the enemy of my enemy is my friend, until further notice.

FWIW I suspect that there isn't a lawsuit cap, as these Roman courts appear to be much more efficient than their modern equivalents. And I also expect to get my butt beat down by you today ;)

[Alan T]

Is exactly 50% going to count as a majority in this game? This has probably also been answered before, but we're at 26, so it could be 13 or 14.

My assumption is majority is > 50% so in this case would be 14 votes. (Since 13 wouldn't be a majority)

[Alan T]

KWhit, makes sense to me. But I still don't think it's impossible that you have your own motivations, but for now you seem to be working in our best interests, and your logic is sound. So I'll just let it go as the enemy of my enemy is my friend, until further notice.

FWIW I suspect that there isn't a lawsuit cap, as these Roman courts appear to be much more efficient than their modern equivalents. And I also expect to get my butt beat down by you today ;)


Cronin hinted before that the courts could only handle so many cases.

[path12]

Until I hear some reasons not to, I am going to:

VOTE EXECUTE BULLETUS SPONGEUS

[Tyrith]

Cronin hinted before that the courts could only handle so many cases.

Then what the heck is the cap going to be? We've already been suing the pants off of each other for two days. Is it possible that it's a decaying cap over time, in relationship to the number of players in the game? And is this a piece of information worth seeking out? If so we can just jam the process with random lawsuits at the end of the day.

[path12]

Cronin hinted before that the courts could only handle so many cases.


Seems to be quite a high number though. It doesn't look as though a lot of information has come out of the ones processed so far though, so other than wealth distribution I'm not sure how useful they're going to be.

[Tyrith]

Seems to be quite a high number though. It doesn't look as though a lot of information has come out of the ones processed so far though, so other than wealth distribution I'm not sure how useful they're going to be.

If we generate enough lawsuits we might be able to get some sort of an oratory ranking, just by sheer volume of information. It'll be like piecing together a really big logic puzzle tough....Alan, oh Alan, care to help us out? :P

[Alan T]

If we generate enough lawsuits we might be able to get some sort of an oratory ranking, just by sheer volume of information. It'll be like piecing together a really big logic puzzle tough....Alan, oh Alan, care to help us out? :P

I already made some suits and put together what info I had earlier! I don't think we can find out more until later tonight. I'll likely place more lawsuits later, but have been waiting to let others have opportunities before I place a bunch more.

[Tyrith]

I already made some suits and put together what info I had earlier! I don't think we can find out more until later tonight. I'll likely place more lawsuits later, but have been waiting to let others have opportunities before I place a bunch more.

Well, I expect it'll be important to keep track from day to day who beats who in some sort of ladder function. You seem to like torturing yourself with stuff like that...or maybe hoops!

[KWhit]

I haven't had time yet today to total up the votes like I did yesterday, but so far I don't recall us having enough for a lynch yet. 14 votes is alot of votes to get no matter how you cut it.

True. I just reread my post and it reads as if I'm saying that we currently have a mojority. That's not correct, and not what I meant. I just meant that even if it looks like a vote is out of reach one way or the other, YOU NEED TO STILL MAKE A VOTE, because lawyers can sway the vote.

[Tyrith]

True. I just reread my post and it reads as if I'm saying that we currently have a mojority. That's not correct, and not what I meant. I just meant that even if it looks like a vote is out of reach one way or the other, YOU NEED TO STILL MAKE A VOTE, because lawyers can sway the vote.

And like narzico said, people need to be voting just so we have a way to track their opinions. Not voting is a way of UTRing, and in a situation like this, when you only have one choice, the line gets blurred.

So I'm in agreement with KWhit and Narzico, EVERYONE NEEDS TO VOTE. If you don't vote be warned that it's likely we'll talk about getting you chucked off the cliff :P

[Poli]

+1

[Abe Sargent]

I'm not convinced GS is a baddie, but if he were, I think he'd have done more to save himslef. So, ironically,

Free Bulletsponge wherever the "us"'s are

[st.cronin]

Is exactly 50% going to count as a majority in this game? This has probably also been answered before, but we're at 26, so it could be 13 or 14.

14 votes are required to execute bulletsponge.

[KWhit]

I'm not convinced GS is a baddie, but if he were, I think he'd have done more to save himslef. So, ironically,

Free Bulletsponge wherever the "us"'s are


Huh?

[KWhit]

The more I think about this, the more I think we need to lynch Bulletsponge. I think letting CW go last night was okay, because he was quite active and I have a slightly good vibe about him. But BS has not been around, and I feel that it would be a bad idea to go 2 nights without a lynch.

VOTE KILL Bulletus Spongeus.

[Chief Rum]

I have put together a "standings" from lawsuits so far, and will continue to do so. At some point, I will post it and my thoughts, although I think at this point (one dayu's suits only), there is little to gain except to provide the wolves with potential info on winning lawsuits. Not that the results I have so far are particularly revealing or involve information no one else here can get, but why do the work for them?

I will contribute some more suits to today's docket, continuing to test theories of my own (guessing at some Roman names):

CHIEFUS RUMUS SUES SALDANUS LATHUMUS
CHIEFUS RUMUS SUES DODGUS ERCHICKUS
CHIEFUS RUMUS SUES NARCIZUS LISPIS
CHIEFUS RUMUS SUES PEREGRINUS BARBARUS
CHIEFUS RUMUS SUES DADDYUS TORGOUS
CHIEFUS RUMUS SUES MUSTANGUS SALLUS

In the matter of bulletsponge, I feel he is likely innocent. In fact, of th ebest candidates suggested by others, most of the suspects are playing to form. LSG often will make a suspicious post and not be around early on, bulletsponge is usually UTR and almost intentionally unhelpful, ITC has shown an early indication to disappear and not post much; etc. And that's when all are villagers.

My guess is our UTR wolves (let's assume that's 2-3) are active and contributing, but not too much (and more than the above three). Then there are likely two very active wolves (at least) contributing all of the time.

Still, I am also of the thinking that if you're not contributing (and especially if you have a pattern of not being a helpful villager), you aren't with us. As such...

VOTE EXECUTE BULLETSPONGE

It would be nice to see him be more active, but would we get more than more jokes? I'm not sure we would. But that's up to him.

For arrests, I am still feeling out the ones that are active and likely hold some of our wolves. Until I can see more patterns, it is probably best to go with the UTR group. I would certainly be for arresting LSG, as her execute order was aimed at me and there still wasn't an explanation whatsoever. ITC would also be a good choice.

Some others: Mustang (even as a replacement player, I would have hoped he would post more by now); Marc Vaughan (if Narcizo can post off-time-zone as often as he does, MV should be able to as well); path12 (recdently more active in the thread, but was UTR for a while before that); Daddy Torgo (although I am sorry he is going through personal issues, but regardless, if someone has issues that interfere with his ability to play the game, it might be best if we arrest him).

[Abe Sargent]

Actually, if you take a look at what you quoted, you'll see that you quoted two previous game points that I made. Then you replied with a quick question about previous game experience. That I thought you referring to the first in teh quote and not the second is merely your bad quoting ability.

That's your first answer.

I did trust KWhit completly and explicitly. That was a game where wolf and non-wolf didn't have as much of an impact on the game. I forged an alliance with KWhit, and kept it throughout. I never once attacked him, never once put him in danger, and once my wolf leader tried to kill him at night, issuing a night kill for him, and I argued that we should go elsewhere, so I even saved him from a kill. It was a bond of mutual trust, and that I was a wolf did not enter into that fact. Thus, I feel a bond with KWhit as a result that means, given a lot of neutral people to vote about that I don;t have any info on, with KWhit being someone withb a vote already, I'll roll with that bond.

That's your second answer.

You'll note that with over twenty players, it's would be hard to impossible to catch up with a thread, make some comments as your are doing it, and then take off making sure every single time that someone hasn;t asked me something or whatnot before I do between writing some comments and heading off. I have a life. You can either accept that or not, but I;m not going to spend every ten minutes hitting refresh throughout the entire day.

That's your third answer.



Now, it's my turn. This has got to be the cheapest, most worthless attack anyone has ever leveled against me in a WW game. You quoted a post where I referred to two previous game experiences and ask me a question, and when I think you are talking about one you get in a huff because you were secret asking about the other? Seriously? And then the huff continues because I left without really reading your post about nothing but a previous game, and you got secret angry too? Does my answer to previous games really matter to this one?

Does my ass smell really nice? Because it seems you enjoy spending time down there.

Haven't we established previously that you have NO ABEDAR? Now let's move on.



Here you go Anxiety,



I mainly was giving you grief figuring you were saying it to be funny that you trusted someone when you were actually a wolf, so I replied:



To which you suprised me by avoiding the question, referencing things that didn't even have anything to do with your post that I quoted.



So I responded back letting you know how I felt, figuring we'd put it to rest as just some silly joke.



But you never responded, yet still posted other things.




So yeah, it seemed like a funny joke that I laughed at which turned into you avoiding answering for who knows what reason to me.

[hoopsguy]

The only issue I have with that is that I suspect (don't know for sure) that the wealth he has accumulated is lost from the game. If he is a good guy, then we are losing one of the wealthiest among us. And there would be fewer people who could prevent the Tarqs from winning their first choice of services.

It isn't just voting for an UTR - there is more to consider than that.

Is that enough to sway my vote to innocent? Not necessarily, but I'm giving him the benefit of a long leash. I've also got the luxury of knowing I'll be around during the afternoon/evening to make my vote. I understand that isn't an option for some of us.

[Abe Sargent]

Huh?

meaning I don;t know how his name was romanized. Was is Bulletus Spongueus? Bullus Etus? No idea, so wheever his "us"'s are supposed to be in his name.

[Chief Rum]

KWhit, you sued or were sued seven times from Day One suits. You won most of them. Did you learnm anything at all from that that wasn't posted in this thread? Just curious if that was addressed, as our original point with the lawsuits was to reveal the treasonous information that lsoing lawsuits might reveal.

[KWhit]

meaning I don;t know how his name was romanized. Was is Bulletus Spongueus? Bullus Etus? No idea, so wheever his "us"'s are supposed to be in his name.


Oh! That went completely over my head.

[st.cronin]

To clarify the wealth factor:

Wealth is strictly a comparative thing. If two people bid on a service, whoever has more money gets the service. Everybody will always have enough money to afford any service, providing they are the richest person bidding for that service.

Money does not leave the game, or enter the game.

[Chief Rum]

The only issue I have with that is that I suspect (don't know for sure) that the wealth he has accumulated is lost from the game. If he is a good guy, then we are losing one of the wealthiest among us. And there would be fewer people who could prevent the Tarqs from winning their first choice of services.

It isn't just voting for an UTR - there is more to consider than that.

Is that enough to sway my vote to innocent? Not necessarily, but I'm giving him the benefit of a long leash. I've also got the luxury of knowing I'll be around during the afternoon/evening to make my vote. I understand that isn't an option for some of us.

st. cronin probably has a hard and fast number foir all of our wealths, but I doubt it matters in the long run except as it relates to other wealth levels. If we take down bullet, he will be replaced by someone else, it seems, and we will still have the wealthy and the moderately wealthy and the not wealthy and so forth.

[Abe Sargent]

I'm getting sued twice today. I'd like to sue as well, because a brotha needs cash, yo. Howveer, I don;t want to tie up the court system and today has seen a rash of multiple suers. So, I'll eschew the suits and hope that I win the ones against me, as opposed to plugging up the court of the land.

[KWhit]

KWhit, you sued or were sued seven times from Day One suits. You won most of them. Did you learnm anything at all from that that wasn't posted in this thread? Just curious if that was addressed, as our original point with the lawsuits was to reveal the treasonous information that lsoing lawsuits might reveal.

No. I learned nothing. The only information I received about the lawsuits at all is what was posted in this thread. No details about how much money I won in PM or any gut feel I had about any of the people I sued - nothing.

[Chief Rum]

To clarify the wealth factor:

Wealth is strictly a comparative thing. If two people bid on a service, whoever has more money gets the service. Everybody will always have enough money to afford any service, providing they are the richest person bidding for that service.

Money does not leave the game, or enter the game.

Bullseye

[Poli]

While you're at, clarify the lawyer thing. k, thnx.

[Chief Rum]

BTW,m I haven't checked yet, but was there a change in the wealth lists from the start of the game to the start of Day Two? I would imagine no, since lawsuits weren't heard until the end of Day Two. But I think a list was reposted by st. cronin. I will have to check this out. If there were changes, then that would indicate soemthing did happen on Day One to affect it.

[Chief Rum]

I'm getting sued twice today. I'd like to sue as well, because a brotha needs cash, yo. Howveer, I don;t want to tie up the court system and today has seen a rash of multiple suers. So, I'll eschew the suits and hope that I win the ones against me, as opposed to plugging up the court of the land.

I don't think we have reached the point where we need to be concerned about clogging up the courts. When we do, I will be the first to retract my suits if they are keeping more relevant suits from reaching the docket.

Question for st. cronin: if we reach the lawsuit max, and have suits left over the limit, do they get held over to lead off the next day's docket? Or do they essentially "disappear" , meaning they have to be made again? And will you provide a list of the lawsuits that were submitted, but not put on the next day's docket (but held over for future days)?

It might be relevant, as if we need to drop some lawsuits, we will need to know what lawsuits have been filed that were beyond the day's max lawsuit number (and thus clogging up the next day'sdocket before it even starts).

[Alan T]

Actually, if you take a look at what you quoted, you'll see that you quoted two previous game points that I made. Then you replied with a quick question about previous game experience. That I thought you referring to the first in teh quote and not the second is merely your bad quoting ability.


This is complete BS. Anyone can see in post #383, there was only one quote, and it was very clear what I was asking. ie:

I don't know. As a good guy, as a GM, and as a bad guy I've seen villagers waste a day or more in a game because they started t osecond guess a candidate for no real reason other than "we can;t all support a candidate this soon."

I, for one, trust KWhit. I always have, including our little survivor Lupus team. As such, I'm happy to spend my other vote.

Vote to Consul whatever KWhit's nick is.





You'll note that with over twenty players, it's would be hard to impossible to catch up with a thread, make some comments as your are doing it, and then take off making sure every single time that someone hasn;t asked me something or whatnot before I do between writing some comments and heading off. I have a life. You can either accept that or not, but I;m not going to spend every ten minutes hitting refresh throughout the entire day.

That is all fine and good, except you answered it, with completely unrelated comments and then dropped it when I responded. So you saw the conversation, you replied to it, you just avoided it for who knows what reason.




Now, it's my turn. This has got to be the cheapest, most worthless attack anyone has ever leveled against me in a WW game. You quoted a post where I referred to two previous game experiences and ask me a question, and when I think you are talking about one you get in a huff because you were secret asking about the other? Seriously? And then the huff continues because I left without really reading your post about nothing but a previous game, and you got secret angry too? Does my answer to previous games really matter to this one?

Does my ass smell really nice? Because it seems you enjoy spending time down there.

Haven't we established previously that you have NO ABEDAR? Now let's move on.

Once again, you are completely wrong, but instead of swearing, using inappropriate comments at me, I will keep it civil and clean. I have not resorted to personal attacks like you have now twice. For the life of me I have no idea why you avoided responding to what appeared to me as a joke comment, and then started becoming so uncivil about it. I guess this is one of those things I'll really be interested in post game in understanding once I know what side you are really on, because until now I had always thought you were against such type of behavior in these games that you are now showing.

[hoopsguy]

Thanks for the clarification, Cronin.

Restating - if Bullet is hurled from the cliff and revealed as a Roman, then we have lost his high standing on the financial food chain. Which would impact how the Tarqs could bid for services - if they have no one who is wealthier than them they get to pick their service which seems likely to be unfavorable for Rome.

I'm the Crew is another among the wealthy here. He is another "UTR" guy. For better or worse, this should be factoring into people's thinking about how to deal with UTR players this game.

UTR is obviously not my playing style. It isn't a style I enjoy playing with/against all that much, but I'm going to try and reach out to these guys a little harder than usual this game because of the wealth ramifications.

Bullet - how hard would it be to actually give information about your actions on Day 1 (what did you bid on? what does it do?) and suggest that you are going to try and help on Day 3?

From a purely random standpoint, we are 20-25% likely (assumes 5-6 starting) to hit a Tarq here. I know the reasons that Bullet was arrested. I know that we should have had two people offering up candidates. But I still am not wild about risking a person who could be an asset to us with these odds.

Also, I hate that I'm having to argue more for a person than they are arguing for themselves.

[Alan T]

Thanks for the clarification, Cronin.

Restating - if Bullet is hurled from the cliff and revealed as a Roman, then we have lost his high standing on the financial food chain. Which would impact how the Tarqs could bid for services - if they have no one who is wealthier than them they get to pick their service which seems likely to be unfavorable for Rome.

I'm the Crew is another among the wealthy here. He is another "UTR" guy. For better or worse, this should be factoring into people's thinking about how to deal with UTR players this game.

UTR is obviously not my playing style. It isn't a style I enjoy playing with/against all that much, but I'm going to try and reach out to these guys a little harder than usual this game because of the wealth ramifications.

Bullet - how hard would it be to actually give information about your actions on Day 1 (what did you bid on? what does it do?) and suggest that you are going to try and help on Day 3?

From a purely random standpoint, we are 20-25% likely (assumes 5-6 starting) to hit a Tarq here. I know the reasons that Bullet was arrested. I know that we should have had two people offering up candidates. But I still am not wild about risking a person who could be an asset to us with these odds.

Also, I hate that I'm having to argue more for a person than they are arguing for themselves.

What good is having a wealthy good guy in this case if he doesn't use his wealth to help the good? If it stays there dormant, is it really much better than not being there at all?

[Chief Rum]

Question for Coffee Warlord: when you hired Swaggs, was that action submitted Day One or Day Two? If you submitted it Day One, that would suppose you had an inkling you would be arrested. I actually think Alan did a good job of not really revealing who he was going after, so did you have an idea?

If you didn't and made no effort to hire Swaggs on Day One, but did it on Day Two to protect yourself, that would be the first evidence we have that a purchased service could be used on the same day ion which it was purchased. Swaggs was used by Coffee Warlord in his defense at the end of Day Two.

The reason I think that is important is because I am trying to get a handle on how the lawyers may affect the lawsuits. Coffee Warlord had Swaggs' use on Day Two (and likely for Day One lawsuits heard at the end of Day Two). Dodgerchick also claims to have hired ardent for that day. Has anyone else claimed to hire lawyers that day? If not, we can probably figure they are telling the truth about that (st. cronin already pretty much confirmed CW's use actually). No opinion given on if what they said beyond that is the truth (the investigating thing, etc.).

BTW, I attempteds to purchase horse services on both Days One and Two. Day One I was outbid fo Lexus Postus. Day Two I was one of the people who assumed it was the dealers and submitted a stupid Day Two bid with a Day One dealer's name. Since I left for the day, I was unable to change it. st. cronin said he would select one at random for me, and I did not get a PM, so I am guessing I lost (not a shock, I am much closer to the level of the "people" then I am the wealthy).

[st.cronin]

Question for st. cronin: if we reach the lawsuit max, and have suits left over the limit, do they get held over to lead off the next day's docket? Or do they essentially "disappear" , meaning they have to be made again? And will you provide a list of the lawsuits that were submitted, but not put on the next day's docket (but held over for future days)?

It might be relevant, as if we need to drop some lawsuits, we will need to know what lawsuits have been filed that were beyond the day's max lawsuit number (and thus clogging up the next day'sdocket before it even starts).

At deadline, the courts will announce what suits they will hear tomorrow. The remaining suits will go into a "pipeline." You may withdraw any suit BEFORE the court schedules its date. So if you have a suit that goes into pipeline, you may withdraw it at any time BEFORE deadline TOMORROW.

I hope that is clear.

[Mustang]

What am I missing with the pile on to bullet?

[Poli]

Clear as mud, cronin. Now about the lawyer thing...

[Tyrith]

Alan beat me to the point I was going to make. If he's not going to use his cash, then it doesn't really matter. If he's not going to fight to save himself, then it doesn't matter. I'm willing to spare him, but he has to show that he'll be of use to the people of Rome.

[Chief Rum]

What good is having a wealthy good guy in this case if he doesn't use his wealth to help the good? If it stays there dormant, is it really much better than not being there at all?

Exactly. If bullet and ITC are wealthya nd inactive, that could be bunching some of us people who could be wealthier on a lesser level, and thus more likely to be beta out for services by simialrly-leveled wolves. While there is a chance they will be repalced by wolves when they die, the percentages say it is more likely we will gain an active wealthy person on the side of good.

[Tyrith]

Exactly. If bullet and ITC are wealthya nd inactive, that could be bunching some of us people who could be wealthier on a lesser level, and thus more likely to be beta out for services by simialrly-leveled wolves. While there is a chance they will be repalced by wolves when they die, the percentages say it is more likely we will gain an active wealthy person on the side of good.

I was of the impression that we are all ranked relatively behind the scenes, even within the classes, but I could be be wrong about this.

[st.cronin]

I was of the impression that we are all ranked relatively behind the scenes, even within the classes, but I could be be wrong about this.

correct

[Chief Rum]

At deadline, the courts will announce what suits they will hear tomorrow. The remaining suits will go into a "pipeline." You may withdraw any suit BEFORE the court schedules its date. So if you have a suit that goes into pipeline, you may withdraw it at any time BEFORE deadline TOMORROW.

I hope that is clear.

Awesome. That is exactly what I hoped would be the case. Thanks for the response, sir.

Will you announce that pipeline as well, or will we have to piece that together ourselves? I am fine either way, but I wanted to know if we needed to be prepared to do that work if you weren't providing a pipeline list of over the limit suits at deadline.

[st.cronin]

Awesome. That is exactly what I hoped would be the case. Thanks for the response, sir.

Will you announce that pipeline as well, or will we have to piece that together ourselves? I am fine either way, but I wanted to know if we needed to be prepared to do that work if you weren't providing a pipeline list of over the limit suits at deadline.

I'm happy to publish a list of suits that are still active but not scheduled to be heard.

[path12]

What good is having a wealthy good guy in this case if he doesn't use his wealth to help the good? If it stays there dormant, is it really much better than not being there at all?

Bingo. If you're not involved, you're likely not bidding on services or things that can help us. Ergo, your value to the senate drops.

[hoopsguy]

Well, if he is innocent and he has cash then we can make the Tarqs do their own work disposing of him.

Look, I have no idea if he is "good" or "evil". What I'm trying to suggest is that people give this a little more consideration than "he is quiet" or "he is playing his usual game". The structure of the game puts us in a position where I think it is in our best interest to do so.

I would put forth the same argument for a couple of other people who may find themselves in the same position, but Bullet is the one who is in this position today.

By the end of the day I might be sick enough of doing this that I'll vote for him out of spite. But for now I'm trying to take what I consider a rational approach.

[Mustang]

I'm happy to publish a list of suits that are still active but not scheduled to be heard.

Could you.. I think Rumus sued me.. just making sure.

[Alan T]

Well, if he is innocent and he has cash then we can make the Tarqs do their own work disposing of him.

Look, I have no idea if he is "good" or "evil". What I'm trying to suggest is that people give this a little more consideration than "he is quiet" or "he is playing his usual game". The structure of the game puts us in a position where I think it is in our best interest to do so.

I would put forth the same argument for a couple of other people who may find themselves in the same position, but Bullet is the one who is in this position today.

By the end of the day I might be sick enough of doing this that I'll vote for him out of spite. But for now I'm trying to take what I consider a rational approach.

Well I obviously haven't voted for him yet, but its easy to expect unless I hear a good reason not to, that I likely will vote for him. For most of your arguements, we can use for anyone on almost any day 2 of almost any ww game. We don't know if anyone who ever is quiet is good or bad. We don't know if they have an important role, we don't know anything about him... because... he's not been active :)

[path12]

Well, if he is innocent and he has cash then we can make the Tarqs do their own work disposing of him.

Look, I have no idea if he is "good" or "evil". What I'm trying to suggest is that people give this a little more consideration than "he is quiet" or "he is playing his usual game". The structure of the game puts us in a position where I think it is in our best interest to do so.

I understand your point, and as one who is usually quiet early in games I do not always get/act upon the UTR theory. However, there are a ton of people here, and we have had a meta history lately of quiet wolves being successful. So if it was a smaller game I'd be on your side on this point, but not where there are so many players.

[st.cronin]

Could you.. I think Rumus sued me.. just making sure.

I haven't actually compiled any votes or suits yet. Let me see if I can while I have time - class starts in about 30 minutes.

[Chief Rum]

I'm happy to publish a list of suits that are still active but not scheduled to be heard.

That would be helpful, yes. But it doesn't have to be right now (unless you want to). I'm more concerned with hwo it will look just after deadline, wehn some suits have been successfully entered into the docket (I gather you knew what I meant, but clarifying for others--we don't need our GM to constantly be submitting lawsuit lists throughout the day upon request ;) ).

[Tyrith]

I'd rather keep up the UTR pressure and actually get some records started than sit around and hope that players will change their minds and start using the game mechanics to swing things our way. We're not going to win by not killing people.

[Chief Rum]

Well, if he is innocent and he has cash then we can make the Tarqs do their own work disposing of him.

Look, I have no idea if he is "good" or "evil". What I'm trying to suggest is that people give this a little more consideration than "he is quiet" or "he is playing his usual game". The structure of the game puts us in a position where I think it is in our best interest to do so.

I would put forth the same argument for a couple of other people who may find themselves in the same position, but Bullet is the one who is in this position today.

By the end of the day I might be sick enough of doing this that I'll vote for him out of spite. But for now I'm trying to take what I consider a rational approach.

I understand what you're driving at amd have considerted it. But I still believe bulletsponge's execution is what best serves the Republic at the moment. For not only the reasons alkready stated, but so we have a "kill" voting record, and so we know for sure what happens when someone is tossed off the rock.

[Chief Rum]

Could you.. I think Rumus sued me.. just making sure.

I did sue you, you replacement player. :D

Seriously, it is just something I am testing with the lawsuits. No direct reason for targeting you specifically (just yet).

[Abe Sargent]

I am referring to me not seeing your clarification post, not your original post when I say I didn;t see it. Since I responded to your first post, I obviously saw that one.

If you think me referring to my ass is swearing, then you have a more interesting view of swearing thatn I do. I swear all the time in real life, but I was aksed in one of my games by pm because that person's kids read them as they play, and they wanted the game to be a good example. I still honor that request in my games for the most part.

What I have a problem with is personal attacks. My claims in your direction were about your un-leet quoting abillity (which was a joke) and your really bad attack against me, which was true and I stand by. Neither was about you, and you have no reciprocated either, which is good. I hate it when WW turns into "you suck, "you are a lier, " etc. That has not happened here on either of our parts.

And you still have no Abedar. Which I think is a very clever phrase, btw.




That is all fine and good, except you answered it, with completely unrelated comments and then dropped it when I responded. So you saw the conversation, you replied to it, you just avoided it for who knows what reason.




Once again, you are completely wrong, but instead of swearing, using inappropriate comments at me, I will keep it civil and clean. I have not resorted to personal attacks like you have now twice. For the life of me I have no idea why you avoided responding to what appeared to me as a joke comment, and then started becoming so uncivil about it. I guess this is one of those things I'll really be interested in post game in understanding once I know what side you are really on, because until now I had always thought you were against such type of behavior in these games that you are now showing.

[Abe Sargent]

I don't think we have reached the point where we need to be concerned about clogging up the courts. When we do, I will be the first to retract my suits if they are keeping more relevant suits from reaching the docket.

Question for st. cronin: if we reach the lawsuit max, and have suits left over the limit, do they get held over to lead off the next day's docket? Or do they essentially "disappear" , meaning they have to be made again? And will you provide a list of the lawsuits that were submitted, but not put on the next day's docket (but held over for future days)?

It might be relevant, as if we need to drop some lawsuits, we will need to know what lawsuits have been filed that were beyond the day's max lawsuit number (and thus clogging up the next day'sdocket before it even starts).




Hmmm. You think so? Alright then, let me pick a target at random, just to get involved.

Abeus Anxietius sueth Schmidityus Schmidityus

He's at a higher bracket than me, and it was at random after that. I rolled a die.

[Mustang]

Making sure I have the lawsuit business in order. It is in the traitors best interest to gather as much wealth as possible, correct? But, at the cost that they could be exposed potentially?

[KWhit]

Making sure I have the lawsuit business in order. It is in the traitors best interest to gather as much wealth as possible, correct? But, at the cost that they could be exposed potentially?

Yes, but a clarification. It is in every player's best interest to gain as much wealth as possible.

[Coffee Warlord]

Question for Coffee Warlord: when you hired Swaggs, was that action submitted Day One or Day Two? If you submitted it Day One, that would suppose you had an inkling you would be arrested. I actually think Alan did a good job of not really revealing who he was going after, so did you have an idea?

That was submitted Day 1. You cannot bid on services while in prison. And no, while I wasn't surprised by being imprisoned, I hired the lawyer specifically to give me an edge in the lawsuit.

[st.cronin]

The list so far:

Bulletus Spongeous sues Kayus Whitus
Ardent sues Coffee Warlord
Alanus Teeus sues Grammus Atticus
Alanus Teeus sues Abeus Anxietus
Ardent Enthusiast sues Kwhit for suing me yesterday
Narcizo sues LoneStarGirl
Narcizo sues DaddyTorgo
Ardent Enthusiast sues Alan T
Pathus Twelvus sues Antus Meisterus
Pathus Twelvus sues Autumnus Leavus
Pathus Twelvus sues Tyrus Ithus
Pathus Twelvus sues Chiefus Rumus
KAYUS WHITUS SUES Abeus Anxietus
KAYUS WHITUS SUES Antus Meisterus
KAYUS WHITUS SUES Autumnus Leavus
KAYUS WHITUS SUES Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
KAYUS WHITUS SUES Narcizus Lispus
KAYUS WHITUS SUES Pathus Twelveus
KAYUS WHITUS SUES Peregrinus Barbarus
CHIEFUS RUMUS SUES SALDANUS LATHUMUS
CHIEFUS RUMUS SUES DODGUS ERCHICKUS
CHIEFUS RUMUS SUES NARCIZUS LISPIS
CHIEFUS RUMUS SUES PEREGRINUS BARBARUS
CHIEFUS RUMUS SUES DADDYUS TORGOUS
CHIEFUS RUMUS SUES MUSTANGUS SALLUS
Abeus Anxietius sueth Schmidityus Schmidityus

I haven't scanned that for duplicates, but each player is only allowed to sue each player once per day. So you can make no more than 25 different lawsuits today.

10 votes to execute (14 needed) - Tyrith (624), Narcizo (639), Grammaticus (642), ardent (653), Imthecrew (661), Barkeep (734), saldana (757), path12 (786), KWhit (798), Chief Rum (799)

[Narcizo]

Well, if he is innocent and he has cash then we can make the Tarqs do their own work disposing of him.

Look, I have no idea if he is "good" or "evil". What I'm trying to suggest is that people give this a little more consideration than "he is quiet" or "he is playing his usual game". The structure of the game puts us in a position where I think it is in our best interest to do so.


I'm briefly here and have read through. To be honest hoops I agree with you but I think we have to accept the fact that BS just isn't going to make a convincing case for himself. I'll admit that I've allowed my experience in the Cold War game to influence me (he was the bodyguard and didn't make the slightest effort to save himself despite several promptings). That so hacked me off that if given the opportunity I'm going to be voting on him early until he changes his style of play. This is meta-level but the game as a whole just doesn't need players who are only going to make an effort when they're wolves.

So he might be a villager and we're giving the wolves a financial boost. On the other hand he might be a wolf and we're taking out the guy who's going to get them their choice of service every time. My gut feeling is that he's a villager as I'd expect him to be more interested if he was bad and had the chance to kill people and feel important. But I'm 95% sure he's not going to make any sort of reasonable defence. It sucks that he got given an important role (wealth seems to be very important in the game) but I don't think it's a killer for us. And I, for one, have a hard time imagining that he is going to use the opportunity wealth has given to him very responsibly even if we give him a break.

[/rant]

That said I would like to see a fairly close vote, although not that close as it's possible that we're going to need 17-8 votes to execute. The rationale part of me is wary of the pile-on that seems to have taken place. But I'm going to let my heart sway my head on this one.

Crikey! Is that the time? I've got to go again.

[Chief Rum]

That was submitted Day 1. You cannot bid on services while in prison. And no, while I wasn't surprised by being imprisoned, I hired the lawyer specifically to give me an edge in the lawsuit.

Well, that certainly turned out well for you (and good foresight). Of course, you weren't close to getting tossed off the rock, but good work nonetheless.

That clears some things up, too, that will allow me to tweak my "lawsuit standings". Thanks.

[Chief Rum]

I'm briefly here and have read through. To be honest hoops I agree with you but I think we have to accept the fact that BS just isn't going to make a convincing case for himself. I'll admit that I've allowed my experience in the Cold War game to influence me (he was the bodyguard and didn't make the slightest effort to save himself despite several promptings). That so hacked me off that if given the opportunity I'm going to be voting on him early until he changes his style of play. This is meta-level but the game as a whole just doesn't need players who are only going to make an effort when they're wolves.

So he might be a villager and we're giving the wolves a financial boost. On the other hand he might be a wolf and we're taking out the guy who's going to get them their choice of service every time. My gut feeling is that he's a villager as I'd expect him to be more interested if he was bad and had the chance to kill people and feel important. But I'm 95% sure he's not going to make any sort of reasonable defence. It sucks that he got given an important role (wealth seems to be very important in the game) but I don't think it's a killer for us. And I, for one, have a hard time imagining that he is going to use the opportunity wealth has given to him very responsibly even if we give him a break.

[/rant]

That said I would like to see a fairly close vote, although not that close as it's possible that we're going to need 17-8 votes to execute. The rationale part of me is wary of the pile-on that seems to have taken place. But I'm going to let my heart sway my head on this one.

Crikey! Is that the time? I've got to go again.

Crikey! You're showing your Britsihness. :D

Don't we in effect have a close vote? Right now, we're most of the way through the day, and we have only 10 execute votes. To me, that says 10 votes to execute, 16 (or whatever number is left) to not execute. Until a vote is submitted, it has to be considered a vote to not kill. At the risk of lumping inactives with those who actively wish not to have a kill, I think we can view it that way.

[Lorena]

Looks like I have quite a bit of catching up to do. Some quick thoughts following my post from last night:

So, is this to suggest that Ardentus Enthusiastus was hired, and his special services used, but he has no knowledge of it? I suppose there was no public record because he was not used in court.

By AE's reaction (and his pleading for bids on his services) he was completely unaware that I hired him so this seems to be right.

I kinda have to challenge the thinking behind this list. The lawyers apparently have no knowledge of what actions they are taking for their clients. How are we to take your word that AlanT was actually scanned? And why did you scan AlanT given that he was backing you for Consul? Did his vote for you inspire some level of distrust? There seems to be an awful lot of fake reveal potential to these lawyer scans as they cannot be verified. Anyone who has enough money to hire them has the ability to be a fake seer unless someone takes the time to "rescan" someone.

The fact that Coffee Warlord has said he also scanned someone in no way proves his innocence. All it proves to me is that he did actually hire a lawyer, which was confirmed in the public record. He even chose to scan a player that more than half of the board felt was trustworthy enough to vote as Consul. He could definitely be good, but I think it is dangerous to place him on such a high level of trust on the 3rd day.

Yeah, that's fine; I don't expect people to believe what I said, I put it out there so ya'll can have a bit more information and come up with your own conclusions. All I know is that there is no evidence of AlanT doing anything wrong. Since Coffee Warlord admitted Swaggs did the same for him, I'm going with that.

So why Alan? He plays the helpful villager very very well when he's a baddie so I had to know for sure. And yes you're right, Coffee WArlord may in fact be a baddie, we don't know for sure unless he gets scanned, but so far I'm willing to trust him and Kwhit above most of the players on the board unless something comes up.

Like I mentioned earlier, I have quite a bit of catching up to so I'll cya guys in a bit.

[Chief Rum]

How weird. We were all posting demons as recently as a half hour ago (admittedly me more than anyone else). But now none of us are saying anything. Did you all go to lunch? :)

[Chief Rum]

And right before I posted that, DC comes in with a post. I jinxed it.

[Abe Sargent]

How weird. We were all posting demons as recently as a half hour ago (admittedly me more than anyone else). But now none of us are saying anything. Did you all go to lunch? :)

I love you very much!

[KWhit]

I'm here. And I just sent in my arrest action.

[Chief Rum]

I love you very much!

Are you hitting on me?

[Coffee Warlord]

I'm here. And I just sent in my arrest action.

Care to share?

[Barkeep49]

Cronin: You stated no money enters or leaves the game. Is this true for Swaggs and SnDvls as well? Did their killers become richer?

[hoopsguy]

How weird. We were all posting demons as recently as a half hour ago (admittedly me more than anyone else). But now none of us are saying anything. Did you all go to lunch? :)

Yep, was kind of fun.

[Barkeep49]

Care to share?
It would be helpful so that I don't duplicate yours. Even if you were to post a list of two or three, I could likely find a good candidate outside of that grouping.

[Chief Rum]

Yep, was kind of fun.

Heh, as a night shift person, it's funny for me to see the break in posting, obvious as it is. Normally, I'm at my serving day job so I am not here to see it.

[KWhit]

Care to share?

Not yet. I am still open to changing it if some new info arises, but I wanted to get a PM into st.cronin just in case I don't get a chance later. I don't want us to miss an arrest again today.

I'm not terribly happy about my choice, though, because I don't have a very strong negative feeling about anybody at this point. But FYI, the choice is one of the UTR folks.

[Coffee Warlord]

How weird. We were all posting demons as recently as a half hour ago (admittedly me more than anyone else). But now none of us are saying anything. Did you all go to lunch? :)

I'm kind of in a lull as to what to observe/look at next, to be honest.

Withholding my vote on Bullet for the time being, as I feel awfully hypocritical voting for him when I was in pretty much the same boat yesterday. At the same time, he hasn't done much of anything to defend himself.

Sort of in a holding pattern for everything else till something new comes up to chat about. I'm out of thoughts right now.

[KWhit]

It would be helpful so that I don't duplicate yours. Even if you were to post a list of two or three, I could likely find a good candidate outside of that grouping.

I sent in a conditional arrest order (not sure if cronin views this as legal yet or not). It was something like this:

Arrest Joe Blow unless Barkeep also chooses to arrest him. If so, then arrest Jane Doe.

[Abe Sargent]

Are you hitting on me?

I'll check the maybe box

[DaddyTorgo]

i feel like i've been very helpful so far this game. at least given that it's a massive game with confusing mechanics. but if you all want to arrest me and toss me off the rock, go ahead. i just ask all loyal senators to watch carefully and see how things line up when you do that...who votes where. There could very well be a wolf (maybe the 2nd person pushing for me, 1st would be pretty bold, but 2-3 is usually a safe place to hide) in the beginning, and there will prolly a wolf or two in the middle, and then I'd expect one or two to stay away altogether, maybe even to try to defend me.

least that's how i'd play it if i was king of the wolves

[Coffee Warlord]

i feel like i've been very helpful so far this game. at least given that it's a massive game with confusing mechanics. but if you all want to arrest me and toss me off the rock, go ahead. i just ask all loyal senators to watch carefully and see how things line up when you do that...who votes where. There could very well be a wolf (maybe the 2nd person pushing for me, 1st would be pretty bold, but 2-3 is usually a safe place to hide) in the beginning, and there will prolly a wolf or two in the middle, and then I'd expect one or two to stay away altogether, maybe even to try to defend me.

least that's how i'd play it if i was king of the wolves

Call be crazy and paranoid, but I get a massive traitor trying to cover his ass vibe out of this.

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE THROW BULLET FROM THE ROCK

it's been said before. hasn't been very helpful. very much pissed me off (when i was the damm seer and needed him!) in the cold war game. so it's meta-game on that level, but i'd also rather we kill him if he's quiet, to avoid the wolves who killed him potentially getting that huge cash windfall. although leaving him alive for the wolves to kill we could watch to see who jumped in wealth (odds are that they'd jump a lot i guess)

as for consul votes, has anyone been put forward? i submit myself...fat lot of good that'll do i'm sure with alan and CR and hoops leading a charge against me...but i'd serve if elected.

[KWhit]

There's no consul election today.

[DaddyTorgo]

Call be crazy and paranoid, but I get a massive traitor trying to cover his ass vibe out of this.

crazy and paranoid

SPQR 4 LYFE!

[Chief Rum]

as for consul votes, has anyone been put forward? i submit myself...fat lot of good that'll do i'm sure with alan and CR and hoops leading a charge against me...but i'd serve if elected.

lol...leading a charge? Can't speak for the others, but I mentioned you as an arrest possibility not first, not second, but seventh, on a tier below main people I am looking at. If that is a charge, then LSG and bullet must feel like I am a rhino.

[path12]

Call be crazy and paranoid, but I get a massive traitor trying to cover his ass vibe out of this.

You're not alone. I was kind of like "where the hellus did that come fromus?"

[path12]

I'll check the maybe box

Tease.

[Autumn]

Lots of thoughts here, all in one post.
3. Autumn - looking to level financial playing field (post #71), asked about system where we don't pick who we sue (post #100). Did you get a horseman from Day 1 bid? (post #155)

I'm just catching up, and I'll probably post a few times. I just wanted to reply to this one:

I didn't get a horseman from the bid. We know (supposedly) who won both of those bids. I bid on the second horseman listed I remember.

Secondly, given that it seems the traitors may have won bids on two of the services (if we go with the theory that that's how they made their kills), leveling the fianncial playing field with lawsuits might still be a good idea. If the field is level, wealthy traitors wouldn't have an advantage. They would have to rely on whatever random factor solves bids between equal Senators. Maybe that's a bad idea, I don't know, but it seems it would help. Unless we know that hte wealthy people are loyal, whcih we don't.

And I suggested randomizing lawsuits because once again, we don't know whether the results of a suit (treasonous information coming out) are public. If not, the traitors could arrange to sue each other and avoid evidence coming out. I have a feeling that might have happened looking at some of the suit records.

[DaddyTorgo]

There's no consul election today.

lol oh. still...wouldn't it make sense to start talking about it so we have more of a idea about it earlier?

[DaddyTorgo]

You're not alone. I was kind of like "where the hellus did that come fromus?"

oh it just came from RL putting me in a pissy mood

[bulletsponge]

ok finaly finished the 4 pages of reading. it seems my fate is sealed.

someone wanted to know what i did night 1. i did buy someones services and found out something that would make me very useful to the romans, being rich and outbidding anyone for that service every night.

it's been said before. hasn't been very helpful. very much pissed me off (when i was the damm seer and needed him!) in the cold war game

hehe DT im pretty sure i told everyone that killing me would be a big mistake in that game. for a seer you should have seen that coming. ironically my role is is very similar in this game as that, but once again yall want to kill me.

Go ahead and kill the wealthiest roman, i wont be the one regreting it later in the game ( my ghost will be laughing).

[bulletsponge]

dola

i shoul note that ive been at work past 2 days so i havnt been in posting much, and besides it isnt like yall are shooting the shit enough for all of us

[hoopsguy]

Bullet, there is no edge to be gained right now (I don't think) from taking Day 1 info to your grave if you are in fact a Roman and not a Tarq.

So - spill it!

[Barkeep49]

Bullet, there is no edge to be gained right now (I don't think) from taking Day 1 info to your grave if you are in fact a Roman and not a Tarq.

So - spill it!
I agree. I'm not home much longer, but if what you say is true I'm willing to try and save you so you can indeed keep a good power out of the bad guy's hands.

[bulletsponge]

i dont know. ive never "spilled it" about my role or what ive learned in any other game. id hate to start now

[Poli]

You could always try to hire me...hiring me obviously would help sway votes...as it worked for CW. You need to sway others if you're interested, though.

[st.cronin]

Cronin: You stated no money enters or leaves the game. Is this true for Swaggs and SnDvls as well? Did their killers become richer?

Their families have inherited their estates. Someday their young sons hope to enter politics, and will need some seed money.

[Peregrine]

Well Bullet, you're probably doomed, but if you're loyal, there's no reason not to tell us about the service from Day 1.

On another note, I'm going to follow up on my earlier comments about LoneStarGirl with a lawsuit. Personally I'd like to see her arrested also. There's quiet, and there's way too quiet.

Peregrinus sues Lonestarus Girlus

[Tyrith]

Bullet, there is zero value to you dying with what you know. You have at least a slight chance of convincing us if you talk.

[Coffee Warlord]

Vote Execute Bulletus Spongium Mysterio Rolius

Unless he comes out with more than a mysterious 'I'm Important' line.

[saldana]

i dont know. ive never "spilled it" about my role or what ive learned in any other game. id hate to start now

what is the value in this if you are playing a game as part of a team...you know that you cant always live forever...everyone has to die at somepoint, and if you really are part of the team, you should tell us what could help us.

[hoopsguy]

i dont know. ive never "spilled it" about my role or what ive learned in any other game. id hate to start now

And how has that worked out for you in the past? Seriously, the game is more fun as you get later in the game and as your actions have more impact on the outcome. Is it really fun dying with a good role early in a game where you could have prevented it by collaborating with people?

In a semi-related note, what part of WW is fun for you as a villager if it isn't trying to figure out a chain of events and drive through the wolf deception?

[Abe Sargent]

In a semi-related note, what part of WW is fun for you as a villager if it isn't trying to figure out a chain of events and drive through the wolf deception?

I like the social interaction, figuring out funky rules. I'm not into the actual game game. I want to win because I'm competitive and that comes natually, but that's not why I play, at least.

[Poli]

Their families have inherited their estates. Someday their young sons hope to enter politics, and will need some seed money.
Are you suggesting they may return?

I believe my suit against Swagg's family should be heard.

[st.cronin]

Are you suggesting they may return?

No, just having fun with the setting.

[Poli]

I still believe my suit should be heard.

[Poli]

Don't make me hire a lawyer. Wait. Never mind.

[Mustang]

Vote Execute Bulletus Spoogus..

Although, per my past note, I still don't know for a 100% why everyone is nominating him. (Takes awhile to weed through 18 pages....)

[Schmidty]

Heh, as a night shift person, it's funny for me to see the break in posting, obvious as it is. Normally, I'm at my serving day job so I am not here to see it.

Yeah, I'm a night guy too. I work from like 10 p.m. - 4-5 a.m. depending on press start and run. I come home and sleep until my wife leaves for work (usually somewhere between 10 a.m. - noon), and then I watch my daughter all day.

This game has been confusing as can be, since I just don't see any rhyme or reason for 90% of what's going on, and I don't have a lot of time to banter.

[st.cronin]

Vote Execute Bulletus Spoogus..

Although, per my past note, I still don't know for a 100% why everyone is nominating him. (Takes awhile to weed through 18 pages....)

I'm counting this vote, although do try and bold all votes in the future.

[Schmidty]

Hmmm. You think so? Alright then, let me pick a target at random, just to get involved.

Abeus Anxietius sueth Schmidityus Schmidityus

He's at a higher bracket than me, and it was at random after that. I rolled a die.

Tit for tat.

Schmidityus Schmidityus sues Abeus Anxietius

[Poli]

By the way, Schmidty, in case you don't know, you're the 2nd best lawyer now.

[Schmidty]

Vote execute Bulletus Spongeus

[Schmidty]

Why isn't st.cronin posting a different color? It's making it f'ing difficult for me to sort through things.

[Poli]

SCHMIDTY ANGRY. SCHMIDTY SMASH!

[Poli]

I kid. Actually, Schmidty nailed this one. I hadn't even thought of that.

[Schmidty]

SCHMIDTY ANGRY. SCHMIDTY SMASH!

Man, I wish I could play that dumb guy every game.

OH WAIT!!! I do!! I just don't usually post in green caps, and I generally use conjunctions and refer to myself in the first person. :)

[st.cronin]

Sorry Schmidty. I'll adopt the convention from here out, and I'm editing my old posts.

[Tyrith]

Gone until 10 CST or so.

[Coffee Warlord]

Sorry Schmidty. I'll adopt the convention from here out, and I'm editing my old posts.

BAN HIM! He's editing posts!

[Autumn]

OK, I've finally caught up. As I said last night, I am tending towards executing Bulletus unless he spoke up and at least offered a defense. I've seen two posts today, one useless, and one suggesting he has important information. I guess I'd lend my voice to the others saying, if you know something, spill it. If it's useful and believable I'd change my vote. But if you're not willing to put your money where your mouth is ...

VOTE EXECUTE BULLETUS SPONGEUS

As for arrest orders, I had really wished people would offer up some information from their services to guide us. It seems either the traitors have been getting the lion's share of the services, or we have a lot of people keeping their cards close to their vest. With no info coming from the lawsuits so far, and very little useful info from services, it seems the best bet is to continue persecuting the UTR senators.

There are a few who I have marked as suspicious in my mind, but I don't feel like we have much of anything to go by so far. The fact that it seems the services have been monopolized by the traitors suggest we look at the wealthier end of the spectrum, but I don't feel I have any strong suspects there. I won't bother listing my suspects, since I have nothing but a hunch, and I want to keep watching and see if their actions reinforce them.

I would support the consuls arresting some of the quieter folks. A quiet, wealthy Senator would seem the best bet. I don't think it hurts us to target the wealthy, since the scale is just relative. If they're traitors, best to get rid of them. If they're loyal, but can't show us they have been using the wealth wisely might as well give someone else a shot. We have a better chance of a loyal Senator moving up into that wealth position than a traitor just by numbers.

As for lawsuits, I'm unsure how to play this part of the game. It obviously behooves us to get wealth to loyal players, but we have only the beginning of inklings about who to trust. Each of us could do a lot of suits hoping to gain wealth ourselves, but that's just likely to look suspicious to others. I've yet to win a bid, so I'm tempted to try to raise in wealth but don't want to start infighting among the loyal Senators as we all compete for wealth and suspect each other. I will see how the day's lawsuits go and perhaps sue tomorrow.

[KWhit]

ok finaly finished the 4 pages of reading. it seems my fate is sealed.

someone wanted to know what i did night 1. i did buy someones services and found out something that would make me very useful to the romans, being rich and outbidding anyone for that service every night.



hehe DT im pretty sure i told everyone that killing me would be a big mistake in that game. for a seer you should have seen that coming. ironically my role is is very similar in this game as that, but once again yall want to kill me.

Go ahead and kill the wealthiest roman, i wont be the one regreting it later in the game ( my ghost will be laughing).

Well that's not very helpful.

[Schmidty]

Sorry Schmidty. I'll adopt the convention from here out, and I'm editing my old posts.

I wasn't trying to be a jerk, but I kept looking for your brightly colored posts, and couldn't find them. I'm too dumb and lazy to look at the actual names next to the posts, so I decided to mention something. :)

[Autumn]

BTW, boss isn't here right now. :)

Umm, I tried for the sex slave dude yesterday. I didn't get him. So someone else knows what they do now as well.

Wait, please clarify this for me Senator Ardentus. Here you claimed you bid on the sex service and lost. Which day exactly did you bid, and which days did you bid and win the bodyguard? The two seem to have happened at hte same time to me, but maybe I'm misunderstanding.

[st.cronin]

I wasn't trying to be a jerk, but I kept looking for your brightly colored posts, and couldn't find them. I'm too dumb and lazy to look at the actual names next to the posts, so I decided to mention something. :)

I didn't take it that way. I forgot to color my posts when I started the game, and just never got around to starting.

[Poli]

Wait, please clarify this for me Senator Ardentus. Here you claimed you bid on the sex service and lost. Which day exactly did you bid, and which days did you bid and win the bodyguard? The two seem to have happened at hte same time to me, but maybe I'm misunderstanding.

First day bodyguard. Documented elsewhere. Won it.

Second day, yesterday, sex slave pimpus. Lost it.

I didn't announce that I was going for that, but I did announce that I lost it.

[Autumn]

Thanks, that makes sense.

[bulletsponge]

whoa hold on, i didnt say i have a specific role. maybe i do, but anyways i wouldnt say what it is.

[hoopsguy]

Bullet, I'll make it as simple as I can:
1. Are you a Roman?
2. What service did you purchase on Day 1?

The votes are stacked against you at this point in the game. I'm not sure if you care about that one way or the other, but if you are Roman and not Tarq then I care about that. And I would like to see us keep Romans from being lynched.

If you have information, and come clean, there is a pretty reasonable chance that some people would repeal votes on you and you live longer, get to spend money, and extend your place in the game. I would expect these factors to provide some level of interest given that you did sign up for the game ...

[Barkeep49]

whoa hold on, i didnt say i have a specific role. maybe i do, but anyways i wouldnt say what it is.
Bullet, I'll be curious to talk about this with you after the game, because I really don't get how having information die with you is beneficial to the villagers, especially when an earlier reveal of that info might have meant you would live.

[Barkeep49]

This assumes you are in fact a villager, of course.

[path12]

As for arrest orders, I had really wished people would offer up some information from their services to guide us. It seems either the traitors have been getting the lion's share of the services, or we have a lot of people keeping their cards close to their vest.

I mentioned I retained the services of one of the bodyguards. I don't feel it's helpful to mention where exactly he is today. I think it's much safer to reveal things such as that on future days so as to keep the bad guys guessing as much as possible.

Out until after deadline.....

[Barkeep49]

Ok. I can't really stand the idea of executing a villager. This play is too consistent with his previous villager plays. I basically tipped my hand in 910 that I think he's innocent so I might as well follow my conscience.

Vote Bullet innocent

[Autumn]

I mentioned I retained the services of one of the bodyguards. I don't feel it's helpful to mention where exactly he is today. I think it's much safer to reveal things such as that on future days so as to keep the bad guys guessing as much as possible.

Out until after deadline.....

I agree, I think it's best to keep current services under wraps. But I had hoped someone would have used a service that might have revealed some information that could be useful. It seems our ability to turn up evidence is moving much slower than the traitors' ability to kill.

[bulletsponge]

Bullet, I'll make it as simple as I can:
1. Are you a Roman?
2. What service did you purchase on Day 1?

The votes are stacked against you at this point in the game. I'm not sure if you care about that one way or the other, but if you are Roman and not Tarq then I care about that. And I would like to see us keep Romans from being lynched.

If you have information, and come clean, there is a pretty reasonable chance that some people would repeal votes on you and you live longer, get to spend money, and extend your place in the game. I would expect these factors to provide some level of interest given that you did sign up for the game ...


1- Yes i am a Roman
2- i hired Titus Ludius

[Autumn]

Bullet, I'll make it as simple as I can:
1. Are you a Roman?
2. What service did you purchase on Day 1?

I agree, I can't see any reason to withhold this information, other than it being simply a lie to cast doubt into peoiple's minds. Keeping a loyal Senator alive seems more important than anything that might be revealed to the traitors here, so I will assume that if Bulletus reveals nothing, we should execute him.

[Poli]

Sigh.

[Grammaticus]

I'm going to file a few lawsuits to see what I can learn and maybe not be so poor.

Grammaticus Atticus sues Mustangus Sallas

Grammaticus Atticus sues Marcus Vaughnus

Show me the money!

[Ironhead]

We are nearing deadline, so I will throw this out there again - I alluded to it in my post earlier today. Yesterday I bid on one of the people offering services and I won. The service I won gives me the ability to kill someone tonight.

So two people died yesterday - one "by sword" and the other "by poison". Poison is likely the wolves, and "by sword" is a service that someone won.

I bring this up now because if someone only dies by poison tonight it would confirm to me that the wolves need to win the services to kill two people in a night. I also want this information out in the open in case I die tonight. If my hunch is correct, then a wolf must have won the service on Day 1. I don't think a villager would randomly choose a target to kill yesterday - way too high a chance of killing a villager at this point.

[hoopsguy]

Bullet, there were two people with that profession. Did Titus do the same thing that Ardent has suggested - act as a bodyguard? If so, did you have him guard you or send him elsewhere and why?

Ardent - I don't know if you ever named your Legion guy. Can we assume that it was not the one that Bullet is claiming here?

[Autumn]

I guess I'll be the one to jump out and state the obvious here. There's what, an hour before the deadline? Bulletus, if you are a loyal Senator you don't have much time to get people to retract their votes. Perhaps you could just go ahead and elaborate on what you found out. So far what you've revealed doesn't impress me. You need to say something that we can corroborate. What you've done so far just sounds like a traitor saying just enough to make people wonder. What could you possibly have to reveal that would harm the Senate?

[Grammaticus]

We are nearing deadline, so I will throw this out there again - I alluded to it in my post earlier today. Yesterday I bid on one of the people offering services and I won. The service I won gives me the ability to kill someone tonight.

So two people died yesterday - one "by sword" and the other "by poison". Poison is likely the wolves, and "by sword" is a service that someone won.

I bring this up now because if someone only dies by poison tonight it would confirm to me that the wolves need to win the services to kill two people in a night. I also want this information out in the open in case I die tonight. If my hunch is correct, then a wolf must have won the service on Day 1. I don't think a villager would randomly choose a target to kill yesterday - way too high a chance of killing a villager at this point.

Not a bad assessment, although I have seen villagers use a PK on a hunch in other games. Especially when the use is one time and you won't have it the next day. It goes in line with you must lynch to win as a senator loyal to the Republic. Also, some people cannot refuse to use a power they wont have tomorrow.

I agree as it has been said by someone else, the poison appers to be a wolf kill and the sword a hired assassin.

[Poli]

Bullet, there were two people with that profession. Did Titus do the same thing that Ardent has suggested - act as a bodyguard? If so, did you have him guard you or send him elsewhere and why?

Ardent - I don't know if you ever named your Legion guy. Can we assume that it was not the one that Bullet is claiming here?
One second, let me go look the name up in the PM.

[Peregrine]

Well I haven't voted yet, since I was waiting for bullet to make some kind of defense. I'm certainly not sure he's guilty, but nonetheless

vote to execute bulletsponge

[Poli]

Gallus Clarus. That's who I hired.

[hoopsguy]

Based on all the work I've done in trying to get Bullet to open up today, I'm laying my claim to some of his wealth if he lives. Consider it under grounds of present injustices.

HOOPUS GUYUS SUES BULLETUS SPONGEUS

[Grammaticus]

I'm not sure I understand Alans theory on using law suits to test people. Do we think the wolves will always lose or is it just going for the chance to expose one? If that is the case, then is it a good idea for everyone to sue each person every day?

I'm betting that would at least tell us the limit the court can handle :)

[hoopsguy]

Bullet, did you complete a bid for Day 2? Not asking you to say what it was, just whether you competed for services and if you did in fact win something.

[Autumn]

The fact that Bulletus named a specific name that turned out to have been different than Ardentus' suggests he's probably telling the truth out that bid (or that he and Ardentus are in league here). But without hearing something like what the service was used for it hasn't yet swayed me. What did you do with that service, Senator Bulletus Spongeus?

[hoopsguy]

Ardent, did you get any kind of indication from your bodyguard that it could be used differently by the Tarqs than by the Romans?

[Autumn]

I'm not sure I understand Alans theory on using law suits to test people. Do we think the wolves will always lose or is it just going for the chance to expose one? If that is the case, then is it a good idea for everyone to sue each person every day?

I'm betting that would at least tell us the limit the court can handle :)

I think the theory is just the off chance something will be exposed. So far we haven't seen any downfall of losing a suit other than going down in wealth, so it may make sense to have everyone sue everyone.

[Poli]

My guy was a specific legionaire. I don't know who bulletus hired.

[Poli]

Ardent, did you get any kind of indication from your bodyguard that it could be used differently by the Tarqs than by the Romans?
Too easy. All I was told is that I had to let Mr. Clarus know who to protect that night. If I didn't let him know, then he'd just assume to protect me.

[Poli]

I'll go check the PM now to verify.

[hoopsguy]

Here is how I see the info of the last 30 minutes:

1. Bullet said he hired Titus Ludius (post #915)
2. Titus is an ex-legionnaire (post #4)
3. Ardent, who had hired an ex-legionnaire, and says it was Gallus Clarus (#925)
4. Ironhead says he has hired a role on Day 2 that has the ability to kill (post #919)

So, Bullet would have had to guess a role from Day 1 that is not contested, then guess the right name (50% shot), and not reveal a role that had a chance to launch the night kill?

VOTE FREE BULLETUS SPONGEUS

[Poli]

I pretty much hit it on the head. Nothing else in my PM.

[hoopsguy]

Day 1 hires (incomplete)

Gallus Clarus, ex-legionnaire, hired by Ardent
Titus Ludius, ex-legionnaire, hired by Bullet
Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves, ???
Animus Sentus, person rumored to be affiliated with the Priesthood, ???
Furius Lucius, former warlord of Gaul, enslaved and now freed, ???
Lexus Postus, owner of many horses, hired by Alan
Blakus Fortunatus, owner of many horses, hired by Anxiety

We now know what two of the roles do, with partial info on the other roles. We don't know who hired three of the roles.

Please post any corrections if I'm off with my recollection of anything related to this.

[KWhit]

Here is how I see the info of the last 30 minutes:

1. Bullet said he hired Titus Ludius (post #915)
2. Titus is an ex-legionnaire (post #4)
3. Ardent, who had hired an ex-legionnaire, and says it was Gallus Clarus (#925)
4. Ironhead says he has hired a role on Day 2 that has the ability to kill (post #919)

So, Bullet would have had to guess a role from Day 1 that is not contested, then guess the right name (50% shot), and not reveal a role that had a chance to launch the night kill?

What does any of that have to do with whether he is a Tarquin or not?

[Autumn]

Here is how I see the info of the last 30 minutes:

So, Bullet would have had to guess a role from Day 1 that is not contested, then guess the right name (50% shot), and not reveal a role that had a chance to launch the night kill?

VOTE FREE BULLETUS SPONGEUS

Or Bulletus actually hired the legionnaire. That doesn't mean he used it to protect anybody though. He has yet to tell us how he used it.

That leaves me thinking, 1) Why not tell us who he protected? How could that cause a problem? 2) Why didn't he tell us all this in the beginning of the day before having all of these people vote to execute him?

He could be innocent, and just acting oddly. Or he could be a traitor who thought that waiting until the last hour would 1) convince a few people to change their votes before the deadline, 2) not leave enough time to have people come forward and cast doubt on his claims.

Until he gives us more information I'll keep my vote the same.

[Poli]

What I'm not getting is this: How could bullet hiring the Titus guy have a huge impact in the game? I mean, Titus is just a bodyguard, it's not like he was a seer.

[Autumn]

Day 1 hires (incomplete)

Gallus Clarus, ex-legionnaire, hired by Ardent
Titus Ludius, ex-legionnaire, hired by Bullet
Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves, ???
Animus Sentus, person rumored to be affiliated with the Priesthood, ???
Furius Lucius, former warlord of Gaul, enslaved and now freed, ???
Lexus Postus, owner of many horses, hired by Alan
Blakus Fortunatus, owner of many horses, hired by Anxiety

We now know what two of the roles do, with partial info on the other roles. We don't know who hired three of the roles.

Please post any corrections if I'm off with my recollection of anything related to this.

I think that Senator Ironus Headus hired the priest, correct?

[Ironhead]

Hoops - I posted earlier today that I bid for the priest on day 1 and won his services for Day 2. I did not use his ability as it did not come into play.

[Autumn]

What I'm not getting is this: How could bullet hiring the Titus guy have a huge impact in the game? I mean, Titus is just a bodyguard, it's not like he was a seer.

That's my question exactly. Why all the mystery? Some clear answers would change my vote.

[hoopsguy]

KWhit, it doesn't prove he is innocent. But it does suggest he is telling the truth.

I believe Bullet is more motivated to stay in the game with a role he enjoys - Doc Holliday in Tombstone is one example of this. For whatever reason, he is not inclined to help people who want to lynch him even if that means the game ends earlier for him.

If Bullet was a Tarq and had hired a role that allowed him to do a kill then he would have to speculate about claiming a role. Yet he selected one that had risk associated with it - he had to have the right name (50% shot) since AE had not revealed the name of his hire.

It doesn't clear him. But it creates enough doubt for me that I want to avoid jumping on the pile of votes already on him. And I'm getting my vote out rather than abstaining.

[DaddyTorgo]

interesting bullet. That definitely gives me pause, and it does seem consistent with your earlier play. I don't know that it'll make any difference at this point, but

VOTE FREE BULLETSPONGE (DON'T KILL BULLET)

I'm worried though. We REALLY need to get 2 arrests going on a daily basis so we can get some more insight into some types of voting patterns

[hoopsguy]

We are nearing deadline, so I will throw this out there again - I alluded to it in my post earlier today. Yesterday I bid on one of the people offering services and I won. The service I won gives me the ability to kill someone tonight.

So two people died yesterday - one "by sword" and the other "by poison". Poison is likely the wolves, and "by sword" is a service that someone won.

I bring this up now because if someone only dies by poison tonight it would confirm to me that the wolves need to win the services to kill two people in a night. I also want this information out in the open in case I die tonight. If my hunch is correct, then a wolf must have won the service on Day 1. I don't think a villager would randomly choose a target to kill yesterday - way too high a chance of killing a villager at this point.

Hoops - I posted earlier today that I bid for the priest on day 1 and won his services for Day 2. I did not use his ability as it did not come into play.

I would ask the wealthiest Roman's to strongly consider bids for this role every day it is available to prevent this from falling into Tarquinian hands. This seems like a very easy strategy for us to halve their kill rate. There may not be time for this tonight, but having discussion between the citizens among the wealthiest within the thread might be one way to make this happen more efficiently.

[Coffee Warlord]

Will one of the Consuls please, pretty please, have Torgo arrested tonight.

[Autumn]

interesting bullet. That definitely gives me pause, and it does seem consistent with your earlier play. I don't know that it'll make any difference at this point, but

VOTE FREE BULLETSPONGE (DON'T KILL BULLET)

I'm worried though. We REALLY need to get 2 arrests going on a daily basis so we can get some more insight into some types of voting patterns

I don't have any experience playing WW with bullet to go by, so while these arguments make some sense, I can't pay them much heed.

It seems very likely that Bulletus actually hired the legionnaire that day, I agree that it would be a tough guess for him to make. But that doesn't tell us whether he's loyal or not. The fact that we had two deaths that day in fact is not in his favor. Since he has refused to tell us who he protected with that legionnaire, I have to assume 1) He didn't protect anyone, because he is a traitor, or 2) He is just being stubborn.

I don't see any reason to free a possible traitor because he wants to be stubborn. It seems likely to me that this plot is meant to do exactly what it is doing - convince a few people to back off at the last second and let him go free.

The fact that Bulletus has been so slow to cooperate today makes me suspect. It coudl be his personality, as y'all suggest above. But I'm not willing to take that bet.

[Lorena]

Well shoot, there's no way I'm gonna catch up on 5 or 6 pages of posts so I'm just gonna sue and vote:

Dodgus Erickus sues Imus Thecrewus
Dodgus Erickus sues Lonestarus Girlus
Dodgus Erickus sues Ironsus Headus
Dodgus Erickus sues Tyrus Ithus
Dodgus Erickus sues Antus Meisterus

vote execute bullet

I don't know where the votes for/against bullet stand but we need info and the only way to get it is by voting someone off... if you're innocent, sorry buddy :( I thought we'd learn something off of the lawsuits but from what I have read, the only thing we know is that some become wealthier, that's it. Hopefully I can catch up by sometime tomorrow.

[DaddyTorgo]

I would ask the wealthiest Roman's to strongly consider bids for this role every day it is available to prevent this from falling into Tarquinian hands. This seems like a very easy strategy for us to halve their kill rate. There may not be time for this tonight, but having discussion between the citizens among the wealthiest within the thread might be one way to make this happen more efficiently.

I don't think the priest is the "by sword" killer. That makes little to no sense thematically. i think it's more likely that we're misreading (or of course that iron is a wolf and slipped up), and that he has won 2 bids.

[DaddyTorgo]

me?

what have I done that's suspicious?

wow...maybe everyone in my RL is right and i'm "off" lately *shrug*

[Ironhead]

Keep in mind that the priest was a day 1 bid, day 2 use thing. The service that allows me to kill was a day 2 bid, day 3 (today use). Unless an overwhelming majority of the board want the name of the service revealed I think it would actually be a pretty bad idea, as I have stated up to this point.

[Autumn]

Does anyone have a vote count?

[hoopsguy]

Iron, so you are saying that I misread - that you won bids both days but they were not both the priest?

If so, then sorry for the confusion. And I was surprised that the Priest would be the killer out of the three "unclaimed" day 1 roles ...

[st.cronin]

Does anyone have a vote count?

I count 16 votes for execution

Tyrith (624), Narcizo (639), Grammaticus (642), ardent (653),
Imthecrew (661), Barkeep (734), saldana (757), path12 (786), KWhit (798),
Chief Rum (799), Coffee Warlord (880), Mustang (888), Schmidty (893), Autumn (901), peregrine (924), Dodgerchick (949)

[Coffee Warlord]

me?

what have I done that's suspicious?

wow...maybe everyone in my RL is right and i'm "off" lately *shrug*

You're acting a lot like you did the last time I played with you, when we were both wolves.

Simply put, if bullet turns out to be a traitor, I STRONGLY suspect you are too.

[saldana]

KWhit, it doesn't prove he is innocent. But it does suggest he is telling the truth.

I believe Bullet is more motivated to stay in the game with a role he enjoys - Doc Holliday in Tombstone is one example of this. For whatever reason, he is not inclined to help people who want to lynch him even if that means the game ends earlier for him.

If Bullet was a Tarq and had hired a role that allowed him to do a kill then he would have to speculate about claiming a role. Yet he selected one that had risk associated with it - he had to have the right name (50% shot) since AE had not revealed the name of his hire.

It doesn't clear him. But it creates enough doubt for me that I want to avoid jumping on the pile of votes already on him. And I'm getting my vote out rather than abstaining.

hoops, normally i dont question your reasoning much, as it is usually sound and logical, but in this case, you are missing something rather significant....bullet's disclosure actually proves he is isnt being honest...he alleged that he had signicantly important information, and now he claims he hired an ex-legionairre....if that is what his big information is, why the exaggeration? why not just say that to begin with, as it was essentially worthless? why any deception at all? why not just say that he was just vanilla and that killing him would be a mistake instead of now making an issue about the veracity of his statement?

if nothing else, i dont trust him at this point...my vote stays.

[DaddyTorgo]

You're acting a lot like you did the last time I played with you, when we were both wolves.

Simply put, if bullet turns out to be a traitor, I STRONGLY suspect you are too.

that game was HOT. We were so damm close to winning!!! :mad:

nah. I try to act consistent no matter what my role is, for the most part.

[DaddyTorgo]

hoops, normally i dont question your reasoning much, as it is usually sound and logical, but in this case, you are missing something rather significant....bullet's disclosure actually proves he is isnt being honest...he alleged that he had signicantly important information, and now he claims he hired an ex-legionairre....if that is what his big information is, why the exaggeration? why not just say that to begin with, as it was essentially worthless? why any deception at all? why not just say that he was just vanilla and that killing him would be a mistake instead of now making an issue about the veracity of his statement?

if nothing else, i dont trust him at this point...my vote stays.

interesting point:eek:

[Ironhead]

Correct Hoops - I think you misread me.

Day 1 bid was for the Priest which I won, which was a minor ability that did not involve killing.

Day 2 bid was for a different service that I won, which is a killing role.

I assumed everyone realized this but just to point out, the list of services for hire for Day 1 and Day 2 are different.

[Coffee Warlord]

Hey AE? Drop your lawsuits on me. I like my money, mmkay?

[st.cronin]

less than 15 minutes to deadline

over/under on # of pms I receive in that time: 12

[Antmeister]

Gentlemen there has been much activity occuring in the Senate and I am perplexed. I am going to sue the following people who bumped me in the halls.
Antus Meisterus sues Saldanus Lathumus
Antus Meisterus sues Schmidtyus Schmidtyus

And with some evidence mounting agaist him, I vote:
Execute Bulletus Spongeus

[Coffee Warlord]

Taking the over.

[hoopsguy]

Saldana - I don't know why he would go down that path.

I've already put together enough arguments on his behalf - it would be great if he would address the question directly as he is in the room.

I am really hoping that I've been defending a Tarq all day today like an idiot - would not be the first time something like that happened (third I can think of if it comes in like that).

[Autumn]

Gentlemen there has been much activity occuring in the Senate and I am perplexed. I am going to sue the following people who bumped me in the halls.
Antus Meisterus sues Saldanus Lathumus
Antus Meisterus sues Schmidtyus Schmidtyus

And with some evidence mounting agaist him, I vote:
Execute Bulletus Spongeus

Can you explain your reasoning for those lawsuits in particular?

[saldana]

saldanus lathumus sues the following senators
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus
Ironsus Headus
Lonestarus Girlus
Marcus Vaughnus
Schmidtyus Schmidtyus
Abeus Anxietus
Antus Meisterus
Autumnus Leavus
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Kayus Whitus
Narcizus Lispus
Pathus Twelveus
Peregrinus Barbarus

[Coffee Warlord]

...

Coffeus Yakus countersues Saldanus Lathumus

[hoopsguy]

OK, I'm going to add a pair of lawsuits alongside the one I have on "deadus manus walkus".

HOOPUS GUYUS SUES BARKEEPUS VALERIUS FORTYNINEUS
HOOPUS GUYUS SUES DADDYUS TORGOUS

[Poli]

Hey AE? Drop your lawsuits on me. I like my money, mmkay?
You never apologized.:p

[hoopsguy]

And I'll explain the reasoning for those suits after deadline - not like they are going to make it on the docket with the flurry in front of me.

[Poli]

I got the over.

[Coffee Warlord]

You never apologized.:p

'Cause I still suspect you. :)

[Poli]

And I'm still suing you. Seems fair.

[saldana]

in case i am dead in ten minutes, i want to give you one of my thoughts.

i said yesterday that it could be possible that a victory condition for the tarquins was to occupy both consul seats and the tribune at the same time....that actually didnt seem logical after i thought about it, since the tribune position is filled randomly in the result of my death, so i have refined the theory.

i would find it possible that if all the wolves reach the highest level of wealth AND they hold both consul positions, they will win the game regardless of how many of us are still alive.

[Autumn]

I for one am concerned with all the "random" lawsuits going around. I would like the SEnate to come up with a set of guidelines meant to bring out the most treason. Leaving it to each individual makes it too easy for a traitor to gather wealth under the guise of helping the REpublic.

[Coffee Warlord]

And I'm still suing you. Seems fair.

No taking money from a Senator loyal to Republic, you money grubber!

[Ironhead]

VOTE TOSS BULLETUS SPONGEUS OFF THE ROCK

If he is a wolf we have done a great thing. If he is a villager it is a tragedy, but at the same time what is he doing to help the village? If the threat of his death can't light a fire under his ass how can I rely on him going forward?

[Abe Sargent]

Abeus Anxitius sues

Lonestarus Girlus
Marcus Vaughnus


Since I got sued by like four or five people today

[Coffee Warlord]

Coffeus Yakus wants more money, and thusly sues Dodgus Erchickus

Yes. I'm money grubbing.

[Poli]

No taking money from a Senator loyal to Republic, you money grubber!
NO suspecting a Senator loyal to the Republic, you coffee warlord!

[bulletsponge]

Dying in this game isnt that bad, at least i get away from all the sleazy lawsuits. i only regret not hiring the assassin and killing a damn lawyer with me!

[Poli]

Hey!

[st.cronin]

deadline

[Poli]

I think BS maybe BS then!

[Coffee Warlord]

So was it the over or the under?

[Grammaticus]

Here is how I see the info of the last 30 minutes:

1. Bullet said he hired Titus Ludius (post #915)
2. Titus is an ex-legionnaire (post #4)
3. Ardent, who had hired an ex-legionnaire, and says it was Gallus Clarus (#925)
4. Ironhead says he has hired a role on Day 2 that has the ability to kill (post #919)

So, Bullet would have had to guess a role from Day 1 that is not contested, then guess the right name (50% shot), and not reveal a role that had a chance to launch the night kill?

VOTE FREE BULLETUS SPONGEUS

I think that if he is a Tarq or loyal to the Republic, he would tell the truth about hiring the BG. I mean, why lie?

[Poli]

I did my part. I sent him one asking if he wanted some crack.

[KWhit]

I did my part. I sent him one asking if he wanted some crack.

Which I'm sure was very helpful to him as he was trying to finish last minute stuff before the deadline.

[Poli]

Thanks, kwhit.

[Poli]

:rolleyes:

[st.cronin]

the results of today's lawsuits are: (winner underlined)

Chief rum sues Lonestargirl
Narcizo sues Peregrine
Neon_Chaos sues Anxiety
Neon_Chaos sues Antmeister
Neon_Chaos sues Autumn
Neon_Chaos sues Barkeep
Neon_Chaos sues Path12
Neon_Chaos sues Peregrine
Alan T sues Chief Rum
Alan T sues Barkeep
Kwhit sues Chief Rum
Kwhit sues DaddyTorgo
Kwhit sues Hoopsguy
Kwhit sues Narcizo
Kwhit sues Neon_Chaos
Kwhit sues Tyrith
Imthecrew sues Bulletsponge
Imthecrew sues Alan T
Antmeister sues Neon Chaos

[Poli]

I guess I should expect to see my name on the block then.

[Coffee Warlord]

Holy SHIT does KWhit not lose lawsuits.

[st.cronin]

The following Senators have voted to execute Bulletus Spongeus on the charge of treason:

Tyrith (624), Narcizo (639), Grammaticus (642), ardent (653), Imthecrew (661), saldana (757), path12 (786), KWhit (798), Chief Rum (799), Coffee Warlord (880), Mustang (888), Schmidty (893), Autumn (901), peregrine (924), Dodgerchick (949), Antmeister (963), Ironhead (978)


Bulletus Spongeus is thus bound and hurled to his death from the Tarpeian Rock.

pms on the way; as before if you do not receive a pm, this means you were outbid

[Coffee Warlord]

Uh...is this a no role reveal on death game?

[Poli]

Gah!

[Grammaticus]

Maybe the Priest allows you to tell if the person who hit the rock was Tarq or Republican

[Peregrine]

No role reveal on death doesn't surprise me, given the lack of information on every other aspect. Heh, I feel like we loyalists are playing with 26 cards and the Tarqs have the full deck.

[Autumn]

Perhaps the real game is how many of us will survive bashing our heads on the wall if he doesn't reveal Bulletus' role.