Werewolf XLV - ROME! (Game over, post 3425)

[st.cronin]

deadline

[st.cronin]

Ok, lawsuits coming next.

[st.cronin]

The winning party is the one underlined:

KAYUS WHITUS SUES ALANUS TEEUS
ALANUS TEEUS SUES HOOPUS GUYUS
HOOPUS GUYUS SUES AUTUMNUS LEAVUS
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus Sues Ironsus Headus
DADDYus TORGOus SUES WESTVUS FANus
Autumnus Leavus Sues Westvus Fanus
AUTUMNUS LEAVUS SUES SALDANUS LATHUMUS
Ardentus Enthusiastus sues Swaggus Swaggus
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus sues Saldanus Lathamus
ANXIETUS ABEUS SUES DADDYUS TORGOUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES WESTVUS FANUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES SALDANUS LATHUMUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES SWAGGUS SWAGGUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES ARDENTUS ENTHUSIASTUS
Grammaticus Atticus sues Autumnus Leavus
Neon Chaos sues Barkeep
PEREGRINUS sues PATH12
Kayus Whitus sues bulletus spongeus
snus dvls sues kayus whitus

[Autumn]

Well, I didn't make it back in time. I haven't caught up reading, but obviously I didn't get around to voting. As I've said previously though, I was loathe to vote for anyone at this stage without it being based on any actual evidence. Maybe it's naive, but it seems too likely to help the traitors and not us.

I hope that the lawsuits and perhaps service actions from today will help us take a decisive action this next day.

[st.cronin]

pms are next, as before, if you don't receive a pm, it means you were outbid

[Grammaticus]

Man, I'm even poorer than I was before :(

[hoopsguy]

Why do I get the feeling that I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop? Does anyone really think that the Tarqs went two days without taking actions to benefit their cause?

[bulletsponge]

Kayus Whitus beat me!!! FFS!!!!!!!!!!!

Bulletus Spongeous sues Kayus Whitus

how the hell did Kayus Whitus go 6 for 6 in lawsuits? i smell a rat!!!

[st.cronin]

tallying votes now

[Barkeep49]

Why do I get the feeling that I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop? Does anyone really think that the Tarqs went two days without taking actions to benefit their cause?
Well we're still awaiting a lot of info. Like what result, in wealth, the lawsuits had. Confirming that KWhit and I are consuls. My guess is that any kill will be lumped in with the news of the day's arrests.

[saldana]

i went 2 and 1...i have no idea what that means though

[Alan T]

Kayus Whitus beat me!!! FFS!!!!!!!!!!!

Bulletus Spongeous sues Kayus Whitus

how the hell did Kayus Whitus go 6 for 6 in lawsuits? i smell a rat!!!

He didn't. He lost a lawsuit to me. From a quick glance of the lawsuits, there appears to be some hidden deciding factor to how innocent someone was. Ie: no person A beats person B, person B beats person C and person C beats person A. It appears A will always beat C as well as B.

[Barkeep49]

My guess is that KWhit got a whole heck of a lot richer. Beyond that I don't know.

[Barkeep49]

He didn't. He lost a lawsuit to me. From a quick glance of the lawsuits, there appears to be some hidden deciding factor to how innocent someone was. Ie: no person A beats person B, person B beats person C and person C beats person A. It appears A will always beat C as well as B.
I'm not sure we have a large enough sample set to know that at all.

[Poli]

Color me a little bit confused on how lawsuits work.

Actually, go ahead and make that a lot.

[Coffee Warlord]

Back, and my god, KWhit went to town.

[Alan T]

For the record, today I chose to arrest Bulletsponge. I am disclosing this now as I will be busy for a few hours in a sec, and can't wait for the release of the information now.

It was a decision between Lonestargirl, Imthecrew, Daddytorgo and Bulletsponge.

I almost chose Daddytorgo for a jump on vote on Coffee Warlord, as well as failing to elect any consuls. In the end I chose bulletsponge. I feel he has not been too active, and what he did say did not stick with me as anything substantial. Also I fear that he does not seem to want to play for the whole and plays more for himself. This is once again not someone being arrested due to me having any proof of them, but moreso someone I arrested to try to limit the risk of someone being lynched that might contribute alot later.

Perhaps Bulletsponge's activity will pick up, but I can't see the future.

[Alan T]

I'm not sure we have a large enough sample set to know that at all.

So you think its completely random?

[st.cronin]

Coffeeus Yakus Warlordus has been freed, with only one Senator voting to convict.

Your new Consuls are:
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Kayus Whitus

The following Senators are in jail:
Bulletus Spongeus

[Coffee Warlord]

God dammit. Another day of only 1 arrest?

[st.cronin]

stand by for more results

[Antmeister]

Ummmmmm what happened to my lawsuit?

[Barkeep49]

So you think its completely random?
No. I'm guessing, much like wealth, we have kind of oratory ability, with the lawyers having a higher one, and that affects the random outcome.

[Schmidty]

st.cronin is the man, and all, but this game makes zero sense to me right now.

And I thought my Thing game was confusing........

[Grammaticus]

Huh, only one jailed again?

[st.cronin]

The following Senators have been murdered:

SnDvls, by sword
Swaggs, by poison

[Schmidty]

st.cronin is the man, and all, but this game makes zero sense to me right now.

And I thought my Thing game was confusing........

I hate to be anal, but please disregard the comma that preceeds the "and all".

[Peregrine]

Only one arrest today? Who was the other consul?

[Grammaticus]

There is the other shoe(s) hoops.

[Barkeep49]

Only one arrest today? Who was the other consul?
I'm guessing saldana didn't realize he could arrest someone because of WVU's absence.

[hoopsguy]

So you think its completely random?

No. I'm guessing, much like wealth, we have kind of oratory ability, with the lawyers having a higher one, and that affects the random outcome.

We can find out by having someone press a suit against the same person - well, a large enough sample set pushing suit against the same people. I think four would be enough to discourage dumb luck.

But I don't know if it is worth pursuing, compared to people's own goals for making money or the opportunity to potentially reveal treason - which has not happened yet, from what I could tell.

[hoopsguy]

I'm guessing saldana didn't realize he could arrest someone because of WVU's absence.

I wish he had placed a conditional order to be on the safe side. One suspect again is frustrating. It would be ideal to have more info to work with on Bullet than we had with CW but what are the chances of that happening?

[Poli]

The following Senators have been murdered:

SnDvls, by sword
Swaggs, by poison
And I instantly become the BEST LAWYER. Word.

[Alan T]

Sorry, Barkeep but the more I look at it, there seems to be patterns that back my idea. Yes its a small sample size, but its hard for me to believe the suits ended how they did randomly like you say. I feel there is some hidden factor that attributes to whether you win or lose

[Coffee Warlord]

And I instantly become the BEST LAWYER. Word.

Did anyone hire you yesterday?

[Alan T]

No. I'm guessing, much like wealth, we have kind of oratory ability, with the lawyers having a higher one, and that affects the random outcome.

Well then you dont disagree with me at all, but instead agree with me that there is some hidden factor

[Poli]

I wouldn't know. Cronin didn't tell us anything. He's more of a hater than you.

[Swaggs]

The following Senators have been murdered:

SnDvls, by sword
Swaggs, by poison

That Suckus.

Had the makings of a really fun game. I'll be following along.

Thanks for running stcronin.

[Coffee Warlord]

Well then. Did anyone hire AE yesterday?

[SnDvls]

That Suckus.

Had the makings of a really fun game. I'll be following along.

Thanks for running stcronin.

ditto

[Coffee Warlord]

That Suckus.

Had the makings of a really fun game. I'll be following along.

Thanks for running stcronin.

Although you have to admit, it's kind of fitting the lawyer died first. :)

Shitty deal, Swaggs.

[Coffee Warlord]

I wouldn't know. Cronin didn't tell us anything. He's more of a hater than you.

And the next inquiry. Is there anything else you get to do when you get hired on by someone?

[Poli]

You're my boy, Warlord, so I'll answer this again (as in, I've mentioned this elsewhere).

I got told jack. I'm the 2nd best lawyer and loyal to the republic.

Now I'm the best lawyer. My rates just increased 200%.

[Tyrith]

do we get a new lawyer to replace the carcass formerly known as Swaggus?

[Poli]

I'll head this one off now.

I have no idea what secret powers (or whatever Cronin wrote into the game for the lawyer) I have. The hater didn't tell me.

[Coffee Warlord]

Fair enough, fair enough.

[hoopsguy]

I'm wondering if we get a replacement "2nd best lawyer" or if Ardent is the only one left practicing the profession at a standout level?

[Poli]

If we do, he better be the 2nd best. I have tenure.

[Poli]

Or she. The 2nd best lawyer could be a she.

[Autumn]

Interesting that we had two different forms of death. Does this relate somehow to those with services for sale? Could it be that traitors can use those services to attack while those loyal to the Republic use them for defense?

[Tyrith]

Because everyone apparently kept sending PMs to acquire the services of Day 1 guys I won the services of Bonus Oceanus for Day 3.

[Poli]

I'm wondering if we get a replacement "2nd best lawyer" or if Ardent is the only one left practicing the profession at a standout level?
Even if, really, would you trust any other lawyer than me?

[st.cronin]

The wealthiest men in Rome are:

Bulletus Spongeus
Dodgus Erchickus
Imus Thecrewus

The following Senators are known to be extremely wealthy:

Coffeus Yakus Warlordus
Ironsus Headus
Lonestarus Girlus
Marcus Vaughnus
Schmidtyus Schmidtyus

The following Senators are known to be moderately wealthy:

Abeus Anxietus
Antus Meisterus
Autumnus Leavus
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Kayus Whitus
Narcizus Lispus
Pathus Twelveus
Peregrinus Barbarus

The following (remaining) Senators are of ordinary wealth for the Senatorial class:
Alanus Teeus
Ardentus Enthusiastus
Chiefus Rumus
Daddyus Torgous
Grammus Atticus
Hoopus Guyus
Neonus Chaosus
Saldanus Lathumus
Tyrus Ithus
Westvus Fanus - replaced by Mustangus Sallus

Persons selling their services in the Forum

Gallus Clarus, ex-legionnaire
Titus Ludius, ex-legionnaire
Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves
Animus Sentus, person rumored to be affiliated with the Priesthood
Furius Lucius, former warlord of Gaul, enslaved and now freed
Lexus Postus, owner of many horses
Blakus Fortunatus, owner of many horses

and of course,

Ardentus Enthusiastus, now the best lawyer in Rome, and
Schmidtyus Schmidtyus, now the 2nd best lawyer in Rome.

[st.cronin]

The following lawsuits will be heard today:

Chief rum sues Lonestargirl
Narcizo sues Peregrine
Neon_Chaos sues Anxiety
Neon_Chaos sues Antmeister
Neon_Chaos sues Autumn
Neon_Chaos sues Barkeep
Neon_Chaos sues Path12
Neon_Chaos sues Peregrine
Alan T sues Chief Rum
Alan T sues Barkeep
Kwhit sues Chief Rum
Kwhit sues DaddyTorgo
Kwhit sues Hoopsguy
Kwhit sues Narcizo
Kwhit sues Neon_Chaos
Kwhit sues Tyrith
Imthecrew sues Bulletsponge
Imthecrew sues Alan T
Antmeister sues Neon Chaos

[Alan T]

I promised I would tell what my service I bought did. The horse trader allows you to send 1 pm via Cronin to another person of your choice and receive a reply back via the same mechanism.

[Poli]

That's right. Time to change my business rocks.

[Poli]

Heh, and you didn't PM me?

[Autumn]

I've now caught up on reading. I'm sorry I missed the deadline for Consul votes, I didn't expect to be gone so much today. I should have no problem voting early enough tomorrow.

For the record I would have voted for Kayus Whitus I think, for the same reason others have listed - he seemed to come off as trustworthy, coming out and suing indiscriminately. There's no one else I felt sure of for a consul vote, I don't have a definite vibe on Barkeepus, so I might have simply voted for myself there.

[Poli]

Cronin, do I get to know if I was hired at all now that the day is over?

[Coffee Warlord]

Here's what I find interesting, now. Take it for what it's worth.

There was one extra tidbit when I hired Swaggs that I didn't mention for obvious reasons. I was allowed to have him investigate one person that day. For the record, it was KWhit, and I was informed that Swaggs found no evidence of wrongdoing by him.

And now Swaggs is dead. Granted, he's in a high profile role to begin with, but I have to wonder if the bad guys knew exactly what ability Swaggs had and took care of business early.

Love ya AE, but I gotta wonder about you. I will concede that it's entirely possible only he had that ability, but, well, yeah.

[hoopsguy]

I promised I would tell what my service I bought did. The horse trader allows you to send 1 pm via Cronin to another person of your choice and receive a reply back via the same mechanism.

Confirmed.

[Poli]

Meh, whatever. I guess no one hired me. I didn't do any investigating.

[st.cronin]

Coffeeus Yakus Warlordus has been freed, with only one Senator voting to convict.

Sorry, I forgot to elaborate on this. The reason there was only recorded vote for Yakus was the impassioned defense put on by Swaggus Swaggus. He was able to change 3 Senators' minds, out of 4 preliminary votes.

[st.cronin]

Cronin, do I get to know if I was hired at all now that the day is over?

There is no public record of you being hired.

[path12]

So the lawsuit came before the poisoning, or else the poisoning took time to take effect.

[hoopsguy]

Crap, KWhit is coming for me in a suit - the guy never loses!

[KWhit]

Sorry, I forgot to elaborate on this. The reason there was only recorded vote for Yakus was the impassioned defense put on by Swaggus Swaggus. He was able to change 3 Senators' minds, out of 4 preliminary votes.

Wow. Important info for the future.

[Poli]

There is no public record of you being hired.
QFT.

QFCW.

[Poli]

Gimme my apology, Warlord. Or I sue. :)

[st.cronin]

And with that, I'm done. PHEW! Sorry it took so long, the deadline snuck up on me, and I didn't get any of the prep work done.

[Autumn]

And now Swaggs is dead. Granted, he's in a high profile role to begin with, but I have to wonder if the bad guys knew exactly what ability Swaggs had and took care of business early.


It would seem that being the best lawyer in Rome would be reason enough to target him, as we can see the effect he had on the treason vote. But the fact that Snus Dvlus was targeted lends some credence to your idea, as I can't see any reason for that kill unless it was A) random, or B) Snus Dvlus had a service or power the traitors were aware of but we are not.

[Alan T]

Crap, KWhit is coming for me in a suit - the guy never loses!

But... he did lose.

[st.cronin]

But... he did lose.

lol

[Coffee Warlord]

It would seem that being the best lawyer in Rome would be reason enough to target him, as we can see the effect he had on the treason vote. But the fact that Snus Dvlus was targeted lends some credence to your idea, as I can't see any reason for that kill unless it was A) random, or B) Snus Dvlus had a service or power the traitors were aware of but we are not.

I actually disagree there, regarding Sunny D. They can't know every freakin ability everyone has, it'd be far too unbalancing.

[Coffee Warlord]

I actually disagree there, regarding Sunny D. They can't know every freakin ability everyone has, it'd be far too unbalancing.

And they could utilize Swaggs just as much as we could. Hell, likely even MORE useful if they could nab the best lawyer. Takes out a quasi scan type thing and can turn votes if they come under the gun.

[KWhit]

But... he did lose.

And I only went up one wealth level. Sheesh! What does a guy have to do?

:)

[hoopsguy]

But... he did lose.

Well, 5-1 or 6-1 going from memory. Probably not the guy I'm looking to have after my miniscule wealth :)

[Poli]

Ardent sues Coffee Warlord for hating.

[Poli]

I've got about another 10 minutes before AE and his mistress retire to chambers and talk about benefit packages from becoming the best lawyer in all of Rome.

[Poli]

The Warlord can admit he's wrong and the suit will be dropped. :)

[Poli]

I love being the lawyer. This is fun.

[Autumn]

I actually disagree there, regarding Sunny D. They can't know every freakin ability everyone has, it'd be far too unbalancing.

True. So, perhaps the traitors know the abilities the various roles have, but not who has them (other than the public roles). Or perhaps they decided to target a random Senator. Still seems an odd pick.

Is there a chance that one of the services allowed a loyal Senator to kill a traitor? I don't know if that's something that ever crops up in WW games. I assume we would have seen evidence of that if so.

On another note, did anyone receive any information from their lawsuits? It seems so far that the practice of doing mass lawsuits has so far not helped, but has only made a couple Senators wealthier.

[KWhit]

On another note, did anyone receive any information from their lawsuits? It seems so far that the practice of doing mass lawsuits has so far not helped, but has only made a couple Senators wealthier.

I learned nothing from my lawsuits.

:(

[Poli]

Ardent sues Coffee Warlord for ignoring Ardent.

[Poli]

I can do this all night. Well, actually, I'm probably down to the next 5 minutes.

[Autumn]

And they could utilize Swaggs just as much as we could. Hell, likely even MORE useful if they could nab the best lawyer. Takes out a quasi scan type thing and can turn votes if they come under the gun.

Well, that depends on whether we will have a replacement lawyer or not. If not, the traitors would have to choose between hoping to win the bidding for the lawyer every day, versus offing him and removing a key ability from the Senate. The surprise, it seems to me, is that they didn't off both lawyers if they had the ability to.

[Swaggs]

do we get a new lawyer to replace the carcass formerly known as Swaggus?

Even as a cadaver, I am 10-times the lawyer that AE could ever hope to be!

[Poli]

At least I have the Cardinal game on. It's not chariot racing, but it'll do.

[Poli]

Even as a cadaver, I am 10-times the lawyer that AE could ever hope to be!
Ha! At least I know how to hire bodyguards!

[Poli]

Ardent sues the family of Swaggs for past injustices.

[Poli]

Alright, everyone. I'm out till the early morning. See you at the Lion's Den.

[Alan T]

Well, that depends on whether we will have a replacement lawyer or not. If not, the traitors would have to choose between hoping to win the bidding for the lawyer every day, versus offing him and removing a key ability from the Senate. The surprise, it seems to me, is that they didn't off both lawyers if they had the ability to.

There was a replacement lawyer.

[Lorena]

Here's what I find interesting, now. Take it for what it's worth.

There was one extra tidbit when I hired Swaggs that I didn't mention for obvious reasons. I was allowed to have him investigate one person that day. For the record, it was KWhit, and I was informed that Swaggs found no evidence of wrongdoing by him.

And now Swaggs is dead. Granted, he's in a high profile role to begin with, but I have to wonder if the bad guys knew exactly what ability Swaggs had and took care of business early.

Love ya AE, but I gotta wonder about you. I will concede that it's entirely possible only he had that ability, but, well, yeah.

Yup, I can vouch for what he said because I was the one that hired Ardent Enthusiast. Thanks Coffee Warlord you are now in my Circle of Trust. The person I had investigated was AlanT and he has done nothing wrong. I could have had Ardent prosecute Coffee Warlord but chose not to.

I'm in a rush so I'll just leave it at that and let ya'll take it for what it's worth but for now my CoT:

Coffee Warlord
Kwhit
AlanT
Dodgerchick (of course)

I have some catching up to do but wont be able to until much later.

[st.cronin]

I'm still looking for a replacement for WVUFan. I've sent a couple of pms, but no luck yet. Anybody have any ideas?

[Poli]

There is no public record of you being hired.

Yup, I can vouch for what he said because I was the one that hired Ardent Enthusiast. Thanks Coffee Warlord you are now in my Circle of Trust. The person I had investigated was AlanT and he has done nothing wrong. I could have had Ardent prosecute Coffee Warlord but chose not to.

I'm in a rush so I'll just leave it at that and let ya'll take it for what it's worth but for now my CoT:

Coffee Warlord
Kwhit
AlanT
Dodgerchick (of course)

I have some catching up to do but wont be able to until much later.
????

[Coffee Warlord]

Yup, I can vouch for what he said because I was the one that hired Ardent Enthusiast. Thanks Coffee Warlord you are now in my Circle of Trust. The person I had investigated was AlanT and he has done nothing wrong. I could have had Ardent prosecute Coffee Warlord but chose not to.

Now, the billion dinari question is, did AE and Swaggs know they had that ability or not? Unfortunately, I'm not sure if anyone can answer.

[Coffee Warlord]

Or ... heh. Good lord, was he hired or not.

[KWhit]

Or ... heh. Good lord, was he hired or not.

Yeah. Totally.

[Autumn]

Yup, I can vouch for what he said because I was the one that hired Ardent Enthusiast. Thanks Coffee Warlord you are now in my Circle of Trust. The person I had investigated was AlanT and he has done nothing wrong. I could have had Ardent prosecute Coffee Warlord but chose not to.


So, is this to suggest that Ardentus Enthusiastus was hired, and his special services used, but he has no knowledge of it? I suppose there was no public record because he was not used in court.

[KWhit]

So, is this to suggest that Ardentus Enthusiastus was hired, and his special services used, but he has no knowledge of it? I suppose there was no public record because he was not used in court.

Ah. Maybe so. st.cronin said that he was going to keep the info from the lawyers (at least temporarily) for gameplay purposes.

That's a good theory, and would explain st.cronin's specific response that there was "no public record" of him being hired.

[Autumn]

There was a replacement lawyer.

Ah, thank you for pointing that out. I had missed that.

[Barkeep49]

My guess is that either Swaggs or SnDvls was not a bad guy kill but rather one of the people who could be hired out which makes it just as likely that one of them was as much a Senatorial grudge as a Tarquoin grudge.

[Autumn]

Well, some thoughts in case I forget it all in the morning:

I'm interested in knowing what happened with our second arrest. Did Saldanus Lathumus not make an attempt, or was the arrest thwarted somehow?

I'd like to hear what other services people used, and any information they gained from them. I think this day it's important for us to arrest some good suspects.

I would like to hear from our fellow Senator Bulletus Spongeus. If we need to arrest and lynch randomly, it makes sense to target our quieter members. We need to leave now shadows of silence for the traitors to hide in. Unless we hear something convincing from this senator today I will be likely to want to convict, if only to scare any quiet members into action today.

Did anything come of all these lawsuits? Should we continue down that path? I will probably sue a list of people who seem at all suspect to me at this point if so.

I would urge anyone who has the ability to investigate members to today investigate our new consuls. That will give us some evidence for whether to follow through any arrests they make today.

[Autumn]

My guess is that either Swaggs or SnDvls was not a bad guy kill but rather one of the people who could be hired out which makes it just as likely that one of them was as much a Senatorial grudge as a Tarquoin grudge.

Do you have evidence that any such grudges exist? If one of our Senators is willing to kill another for personal gain, I would paint them a traitor as much as any Tarquin sympathizer. Myself, I hold no grudges against any loyal Senator, and have no goals other than rooting out the traitors. Perhaps others in the Senate have additional goals?

[Abe Sargent]

I'm still looking for a replacement for WVUFan. I've sent a couple of pms, but no luck yet. Anybody have any ideas?

tanglewood still playing WW?

[Coffee Warlord]

My guess is that either Swaggs or SnDvls was not a bad guy kill but rather one of the people who could be hired out which makes it just as likely that one of them was as much a Senatorial grudge as a Tarquoin grudge.

Either that, or as someone mentioned before, the services dictate what abilities both good and bad guy have for the night. They got a legionaire, which allowed them to do some stabby stabby, and got someone who could poison as well.

Or they got the stabbity guy, and can poison once per day/night/whateverwe're callingitthisgame as a matter of course.

[st.cronin]

doh, forgot the Primer

Today you must vote on the guilt or innocence of Bulletus Spongeus. A majority vote is required to execute him.

[st.cronin]

tanglewood still playing WW?

I've seen him lurking, I sent him a pm, but he hasn't responded.

[Abe Sargent]

I've seen him lurking, I sent him a pm, but he hasn't responded.

Ah well, he woulda been my first choice.

Could send flowers to Blade, of course. ;)

[Abe Sargent]

Of course, there's new school - Johnathan E or old school - WSUCougar.

[Coffee Warlord]

Neq?

[Abe Sargent]

Not a bad choice

[Alan T]

I told what my hired service did. Can people tell us what the warlord and the priest does and who hired them?

[Abe Sargent]

king would be a good choice too

[Abe Sargent]

Other plays I can think of that aren;t playing include:

Fouts
Mckerney
Qwiksand
Chubby
Sack Attack

[Alan T]

I told what my hired service did. Can people tell us what the warlord and the priest does and who hired them?

Oh and the sex dealers too

[Abe Sargent]

Mustang
Greyroofoo
Talgian

[Abe Sargent]

Passacaglia
Mr. Wednesday

[Tyrith]

We should probably start talking about bullet now. Alan, why him?

[Ironhead]

Alanus Teeus - I am curious what the reasoning is behind your switch on the services. About 5 hours ago you posted this regarding the services for hire:

What else do you want to know this early in the day? I personally think that is too much for right now, and am a bit dissapointed at people who revealed such.

And just now you posted this:
I told what my hired service did. Can people tell us what the warlord and the priest does and who hired them?

[Alan T]

We should probably start talking about bullet now. Alan, why him?

I've already addressed this. I would appreciate it if everyone would answer my questions too though.

For the record, today I chose to arrest Bulletsponge. I am disclosing this now as I will be busy for a few hours in a sec, and can't wait for the release of the information now.

It was a decision between Lonestargirl, Imthecrew, Daddytorgo and Bulletsponge.

I almost chose Daddytorgo for a jump on vote on Coffee Warlord, as well as failing to elect any consuls. In the end I chose bulletsponge. I feel he has not been too active, and what he did say did not stick with me as anything substantial. Also I fear that he does not seem to want to play for the whole and plays more for himself. This is once again not someone being arrested due to me having any proof of them, but moreso someone I arrested to try to limit the risk of someone being lynched that might contribute alot later.

Perhaps Bulletsponge's activity will pick up, but I can't see the future.

[Alan T]

Alanus Teeus - I am curious what the reasoning is behind your switch on the services. About 5 hours ago you posted this regarding the services for hire:



And just now you posted this:

I didn't change anything. You are being really selective in your quotes eh? Some hidden agenda here? You chose not to quote the times I said wait till the end of the day and only quoted a part of my intentions? People can on their own go back and see what I really said if they want and not what you are trying to pretend I said.

[Tyrith]

Going to go the route of pressure. If you can come up with a good reason why you shouldn't die, bullet, let me know.

VOTE BULLET

[Tyrith]

VOTE KILL BULLET

Just to be clear.

[Ironhead]

Yup, I can vouch for what he said because I was the one that hired Ardent Enthusiast. Thanks Coffee Warlord you are now in my Circle of Trust. The person I had investigated was AlanT and he has done nothing wrong. I could have had Ardent prosecute Coffee Warlord but chose not to.

I'm in a rush so I'll just leave it at that and let ya'll take it for what it's worth but for now my CoT:

Coffee Warlord
Kwhit
AlanT
Dodgerchick (of course)

I have some catching up to do but wont be able to until much later.

I kinda have to challenge the thinking behind this list. The lawyers apparently have no knowledge of what actions they are taking for their clients. How are we to take your word that AlanT was actually scanned? And why did you scan AlanT given that he was backing you for Consul? Did his vote for you inspire some level of distrust? There seems to be an awful lot of fake reveal potential to these lawyer scans as they cannot be verified. Anyone who has enough money to hire them has the ability to be a fake seer unless someone takes the time to "rescan" someone.

The fact that Coffee Warlord has said he also scanned someone in no way proves his innocence. All it proves to me is that he did actually hire a lawyer, which was confirmed in the public record. He even chose to scan a player that more than half of the board felt was trustworthy enough to vote as Consul. He could definitely be good, but I think it is dangerous to place him on such a high level of trust on the 3rd day.

[Alan T]

I didn't change anything. You are being really selective in your quotes eh? Some hidden agenda here? You chose not to quote the times I said wait till the end of the day and only quoted a part of my intentions? People can on their own go back and see what I really said if they want and not what you are trying to pretend I said.
Just so people are clear how Ironhead is being fairly misleading with his comments/questions.



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While I do agree that understanding what the different services provide us, for now we must hide some of that in the shadows in order to keep those who might be disloyal to our republic guessing at who is a safer target. I will be happy to share more information on what I do know later in the evening, but for now I would like to encourage others to not reveal just yet what service they did purchase.

What else do you want to know this early in the day? I personally think that is too much for right now, and am a bit dissapointed at people who revealed such.



I still stand by the thought that I like my plan the best, after the deadline, people can disclose information on the services they purchased, how they used it, what it did, etc. Just makes no sense giving the tarqs a roadmap for their efforts.

[Peregrine]

Well based on what we've seen so far, the poisoning death is definitely the traitors. The sword death is probably them too, maybe one of the services is an assassin of some kind, that one of the traitors hired. If there is a service like that we need to find out as soon as we can, and keep it under loyalist control if possible.

[Ironhead]

Alan - Not trying to misquote you, I honestly did not remember the very last post about revealing things after the deadline. But my point is still the same. If you are worried about giving the Tarquins a "roadmap" for their efforts what is the advantage to the village of revealing this information now?

[hoopsguy]

Well, there is a slight advantage to be gained in terms of trust. I can vouch for Alan's explanation of the horsemen - I've gained access to them at some point in the game and his explanation of the mechanic is true.

So we can at least begin to connect dots in terms of who hired what services. At least, we can do this with Alan as long as he is a servant of Rome. There is a possibility that Tarqs gained the horses yesterday and had Alan speak on the matter to gain this trust. Fun 2nd level thinking with WW, but with another person semi-vouching for him in Dodgerchick I think Alan moves into a little higher trust than the rest of the pack for now.

[Alan T]

Alan - Not trying to misquote you, I honestly did not remember the very last post about revealing things after the deadline. But my point is still the same. If you are worried about giving the Tarquins a "roadmap" for their efforts what is the advantage to the village of revealing this information now?

Because like I said before, knowing what the services do help us as well as them. Knowing who has ownership of that service for the day really only helps them. And people thinking there aren't wealthy traitors are likely just fooling themselves, its only a matter of time till they figure out the services on their own, which gives them yet another upper hand if we choose to not discuss the effects of the roles.

[st.cronin]

Mustang is taking WVUFan's spot.

[Mustang]

I'll do my best to get up to speed as quick as possible....

[Abe Sargent]

Welcome Mustus Angus! (or whatever you end up being!)

[Mustang]

I guess WVU didn't have a chance to make alot of friends or enemies with his 2 posts so, that helps. :D

[Abe Sargent]

True, true

[Peregrine]

Welcome to the show Mustang.

[hoopsguy]

I never liked that WVU Fanus, or whatever his name was ;)

[Neon_Chaos]

I'm just so confused about everything.

[Narcizo]

Well that seemed to be a rather uncommonly bad day one. (although they all seem to be) We don't get two prisoners to vote on and we get two guys killed. We seem to be playing glibly along into the hands of the wolves. I'm going to get this out of the way now though.

Vote Execute Bulletsponge

Following his play in the Cold War game I have absolutely no qualms in killing him. Either he's a bad guy which is a great result or he's a villager who won't be making any effort to help the good side. As far as I'm concerned the only use he is to us is as a body number and I'd rather learn more about the mechanics of execution than keep an extra body around. I'm being intentionally blunt about this. This isn't even really a pressure vote to get bulletsponge talking, although I'll be interested to hear what he has to say.

I'm pretty upset that, in the end, there were only 4 votes to execute Coffee - and there seemed to be a whole lot of people who didn't vote one way or the other. With a close vote we might have gained some information that could be used later. As it is we don't know a thing. (other than the fact that we need a majority + 3 to be absolutely sure of executing someone).

[Peregrine]

I'm pretty mad about the fact that we have only one person to vote for today, though I don't feel as bad about killing bulletsponge as I would have for CW.

My question is, exactly what are we hoping to learn by killing someone? We throw off rock, splat, dead. I'm curious what kind of mechanics you're thinking of Narcizo.

[Narcizo]

I probably shouldn't have mentioned that. I've noticed something but I don't really want to go into my theory right now and possibly give the bad guys a bit more information to act on. But I do think we'll learn something from an execution.

[Grammaticus]

I'm going with the mechanic of you need to lynch to win as the village.

VOTE TO EXECUTE BULLETUS SPONGUS

btw, Saldana why did you not arrest anyone?

[Narcizo]

What I would like to see is for everyone to state who they would like to see arrested today. We don't get a normal lynch vote here but we can act as though we did. That way it would be possible to keep some sort of extra voting record. Obviously it will be easy for the wolves to avoid committing to anything or they can just make a throwaway vote but if everyone commits to it I think it will provide a little bit more information for us to use.

Personally I'd vote to lynch ImTheCrew. His general MO is to be under the radar but he did state that he was going to be more present yesterday. Only to disappear completely from view again. I do have a couple of qualms though 1) he can probably get a lawyer for tomorrow so we'd need a huge majority to convict and 2) I wonder if a wolf would be quite so quiet. It's almost drawing attention to himself. But I'm going to stick with my stated policy of being very suspicious of UTR guys early on and ITC fits the ticket perfectly.

[Narcizo]

I'm guessing saldana didn't realize he could arrest someone because of WVU's absence.

Apparently not.

i am the Tribune, so apparently, the duty will fall to me if no replacement is found

Which makes me very in hearing why saldana didn't arrest someone. I also note that he voted to execute CW but then changed his vote when it was becoming clear that CW would be freed. Those two things put together just seem a bit suspicious to me.

Although looking through I don't think it makes a whole heap of difference as there's absolutely nothing we can do to remove saldana. He's got a ticket for life unless he's killed as we can't arrest him.

Apart from that I hope we get BG protection for the Consuls today, so we can finally look forward to a two-candidate vote tomorrow without the wolves slowing us down even more with a consul kill.

[Narcizo]

As for the conversation about who is more likely a wolf, the quiet players or the loud and out front players, I find many different people's comments confusing a bit to me and perhaps even to the point of having some agenda behind them.

Its a very easy point of reference that is true in every game.

Its very unusual for all of the wolves to be loud or all of them to be quiet. Most often you have 1 or a couple of louder, out front wolves helping drive conversation in certain directions. You also usually have 1 or a couple of wolves who hide in the shadows and avoid attention. This means you can't say people who are quiet are wolves, or people who are loud or out front are wolves.

Villagers who are quiet = don't contribute much, and if lynched less likely to be lynching people who will help you win.

Wolves who are quiet = if you lynch them, it helps remove someone who could do alot of harm behind the scenes without drawing much suspicion.

Villagers who are noisy = Usually draw alot of attention on themselves, often end up costing the village time in lynching good villagers who just were overeager. Usually later in the game will be active and involved in conversation.

Wolves who are noisy = Lynching them usually helps you put together some pieces as they often say alot during the game, and you can go off of what they say (or perhaps dont say) to determine your next steps.

So, thats the reasoning behind my conversation earlier with Narcizo about who we think are the quieter wolves are. I'll probably go for someone whom I don't find contributing much right now today with my arrest, however by no means do I think that means someone making a bold in your face play isn't a wolf. Also I don't necessarily feel post count = quiet or not either. Some people talk alot but say very little.

I agree that there are normally quiet and active wolves but I think this is more down to randomness than some sort of masterplan by the wolves. I would imagine that wolves all try and mimic their villager game to avoid looking suspiciously active or quiet. So if ITC suddenly started a game with a flurry of posts then I'd be very suspicious of him. This makes him look damned if he does and damned if he doesn't now - but I would suggest he gradually starts to participate more.

However, I still think the policy of weeding out the quiet players early on is a sound one, even if there are going to be some active wolves. While someone being active or quiet is no guarantee of their allegiance I don't think there's any doubt that active villager players generally further the cause of the village more than quiet ones. There is also more opportunity that an active wolf will slip up and post something incriminating. (admittedly there is also the danger of that from an active villager - I thought I'd incriminated myself by talking too much in the Big City game). As a villager I would always rather have a game where everyone is talking than one where nothing is being said, particularly early on. (Then again, I like there to be lots of talk for me to build up elaborate conspiracy theories around :) )

If this makes me look like I'm pushing too hard in one direction or having an agenda then so be it. My conviction is that going after quiet players at the start is correct play and I don't see any reason not to repeat that conviction. I do have an agenda - getting people to post more.

Totally agree about the dangers of blindly using the post counter to determine "contribution" though.

[Chief Rum]

A lot to digest today. First, two notes that deal directly with me:

Swaggs, I actually voted for others than me, not out of any lack of confidence whatsoever, but because of my nature to not be "selfish" in such choices. I will always choose to give before I choose to take. I do believe I am the best for4 being a consul, and in the future I will vote that way, if for any reason than to show I know this to be true.

LSG, why do you assume venom on me? You want to skip right past the arrest and straight to the rock? And with no explanation either. Very poor form. In fact, above and beyond that it involves me directly, I have to say it was the single strangest public action taken yet in this game and deserves considerable scrutiny.

Now as the goings ons. Does anyone now think being a lawyer is anything but a death sentence? Between investigative abilities and the influence they may have on arrest trials and lawsuits, I would think good lawyers are the last people wolves would want to keep alive--and they will know who is good or not. So I would be very suspicious if a lawyer continued to stay alive unless he was continuously protected via bodyguard.

I think it would be a good idea to track lawsuit success. I believe AlanT is on to something in that the individual suits themselves may have no bearing on the results, just the matchup of the individuals suing and being sued. A close look at this might reveal a different ranking system involving influence that could be just as important as the one involving wealth.

I think the services are used in the kills. The types of services available depend on whether the player hiring the service is good or bad. This has already been supposed by others, but I think this is even more obvious from the fact that there were no wolf actions on Day One. Of course they could not kill then--they, too, had to wait the day out and successfully purchase their services. This might also indicate that those who are more wealthy would be suspicious in situations where we have a number of deaths. For instance, today, we have two deaths. If services can be used to execute kills and we assume five wolves, that means a fringe faction (15-20% wolf) won two of the seven (28%) non-lawyer services (a sword-wielding one, and a poison-using one). That would suggest there is at least a small concentration of wolves in amongst our wealthiest. It is too small a sample size right now to just start picking off the wealthy, but it is food for thought.

I am around right now, and will be around most of the day tomorrow before leaving for work, so I encourage anyone who has questions for me to ask them. I will be glad to respond.

[Chief Rum]

Further thought--let's say services can be used for kills, as I believe.

Then we should have everyone reveal who successfully bought a service on Day One, and how they used it. I know some of this has alreayd come out. Who used the sexslaves, though? Or the priest, wasn't there one of those? Or the other horse trader?

I don't think the people who bought and won services for Day Two should announce. As AlanT said, that gives the Tarqs too much of a roadmap by which to go by. But the Day One services are bought and gone. If we know who bought every service that day and how they used it, we can put to rest whether or not these services are the tools by which the Tarqs may kill.

BTW, if this is true, it also behooves us to have good be rich and constantly buying services. If you are good and wealthy and are NOT buying a service, you are not helping the side of the Senate and Republic.

[Narcizo]

Final votes -

(14) Kwhit - Sndvls (283), Ardent (327), Coffee Warlord (359), Narcizo (363), Anxiety (374), Tyrith (375), Bulletsponge (395), Imthecrew (412), Chief Rum (423), Peregrine (424), Lonestargirl (431), Swaggs (439), KWhit (448), Barkeep (450), Schmidty (483), Dodgerchick (488), Ironhead (494)
(10) Barkeep - Barkeep (285), Grammaticus (400), Ardent (408), Imthecrew (412), Saldana (416), Narcizo (429), Tyrith (434), KWhit (448), SnDvls (451), path (493), Antmeister (498)
(5) Dodgerchick - Alan T (333), Dodgerchick (488), Hoopsguy (489), path (493), Marc Vaughan (495)
(5) Hoopsguy - Neon_chaos (427), Grammaticus (457), Marc Vaughan (460), Schmidty (483), Hoopsguy (489)
(2) Chief Rum - Swaggs (342), Anxiety (370)
(2) Autumn - Swaggs (366), Coffee Warlord (417)
(2) Narcizo - Chief Rum (423), Peregrine (479)
(1) Peregrine - Neon_chaos (428)
(1) Swaggs - Alan T (442)
(1) Coffee - saldana (492)
(1) Neon Chaos - Ironhead (494)
(1) Grammaticus - Antmeister (498)

prisoner vote:
(4) Throw CW off rock - Barkeep (285), Narcizo (298), Anxiety (370), DaddyTorgo (393),
Innocent - Ardent (312), Coffee (359), bulletsponge (395), SnDvls (401), ImTheCrew (412), Chief Rum (423), Peregrine (424), Schmidty (483), Dodgerchick (488), hoopsguy (489), path (493), Ironhead (494), Antmeister (498),
Voted/Unvoted Tyrith (286/403), Swaggs (294/397), Grammaticus (400/457), Saldana (416/492)

Back with a couple of observations about this in a bit.

[Peregrine]

Can we elect more lawyers? One is already dead, the other might be on his way out, unless protected. I guess if we can't we'll just have to use the generic NPC lawyers. I haven't done a lot of back-checking, but SnDvls seems sort of a random kill, especially as it was by sword, a service almost certainly.

[Chief Rum]

Can we elect more lawyers? One is already dead, the other might be on his way out, unless protected. I guess if we can't we'll just have to use the generic NPC lawyers. I haven't done a lot of back-checking, but SnDvls seems sort of a random kill, especially as it was by sword, a service almost certainly.

Heh, the oldest WW (Peregrine) and the newest WW (Autumn) make the same mistake. :)

Schmidty was named the second-best lawyer, with AE moving up a spot to #1. It seems likely there will always be two lawyers. Your guess is as good as mine as to whether there is a set list for this or if a player is chosen at random.

[Narcizo]

Firstly there seems to have been 21 votes cast on Coffee Warlord. I'm sure people will say that not voting was the same as casting a vote for innocent and in these circumstances I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt. However when it comes to the stage where we have two candidates I think it's very important that everyone casts a vote and states their reasons for the vote. In a game this size it just seems to be too easy for the wolves to keep the status quo, avoid a lynch and just pick us off at their leisure.

Secondly I'm not sure I'm really comfortable with the way the consul votes went down. I'm to blame as much as anyone but it seems like the two candidates got pushed through really early and there was no real way to stop the bandwagon rolling. I'm glad we got two consuls who I believe will arrest good candidates for a lynch vote but I would have prefered for there to have been at least another viable candidate. Like I said I'm as much to blame as the next man there.

[Peregrine]

Yeah, sorry about that, looking back it looks like I skipped over a page of posts somehow. At least we won't ever run out of lawyers (just like real life!)

[Poli]

I am happy that my profession may never die. Maybe now the Tarktanians will leave me and my fellows lawyers alone.

I'm here to make a decent wage and to provide a fair service.

I want to see the bad guys go away as well.

Throw Bullet from the Train, err, the Cliff.

[Chief Rum]

I am happy that my profession may never die. Maybe now the Tarktanians will leave me and my fellows lawyers alone.

I'm here to make a decent wage and to provide a fair service.

I want to see the bad guys go away as well.

Throw Bullet from the Train, err, the Cliff.

Unfortunately, ardent, as long as there is a chance they could get one of their own in as a lawyer (and we don't know that they are not eligible to be lawyers themselves), your position will always be one in peril, especially in the early going right now, where it is difficult to tell who is truly important.

Speaking of which, I see why Swaggs would be killed. But why SnDvls? Anyone have any thoughts on that? Truth be told, I barely knew SnDvls was in the game.

[Poli]

Personally, if the bad guys thought they could kill the lawyers and get rid of them permanently, I'm a little surprised we weren't both targets.

Ah, but then again, I did have the bodyguard. :)

[Poli]

Good play, Ardent.

You're not kidding.

I love mornings. I love not being in the Navy.

[Chief Rum]

Good play, Ardent.

You're not kidding.

I love mornings. I love not being in the Navy.

Wait a sec...Navy? Lawyer? You're JAG, huh? Did you get a piece of that Catherine Bell?

[Poli]

Don't ask. Don't tell. Don't harass.

:)

[Poli]

I may be here at total of zero minutes after this post until this afternoon. My supervisor will likely be in the same room with me for most of the day.

Additionally, should I be alive after today, I will be at job sites Thursday and Friday during the day.

[saldana]

I'm guessing saldana didn't realize he could arrest someone because of WVU's absence.

i was never actually told that i could, or i would have

[ImTheCrew]

i have a feeling Bulletsponge is a Tarq plus we need to see what happens when some one is thrown off the cliff so.....

VOTE KILL BULLETSPONGE

[Narcizo]

i was never actually told that i could, or i would have

Come again?

i am the Tribune, so apparently, the duty will fall to me if no replacement is found

You might at least have PMed Cronin to ask when it was clear that there was no replacement. This seems like a costly ommission from the villagers' standpoint.

[Narcizo]

OK getting back to the votes, I've included the votes to release Coffee because I wanted to get a picture of who didn't bother to vote at all. Of the three options available I find people not voting at all the most suspicious. Discounting WVUFan then I come up with

Alan T, Neon Chaos, Marc Vaughan, Autumn, LoneStarGirl, KWhit not casting any sort of vote. Please let me know if I'm wrong here as it's pretty difficult to cross-check this.

I'm inclined not to read too much into Alan's lack of vote as he clearly stated his point a few times but I'm interested in hearing from the rest of them about this and if it's likely to happen again in a two-candidate vote.

I'm not very happy about the consul vote (but have to accept that I'm as much to blame as anyone else, as I voted for both the successful candidates) in that there was never ever really much of a competition as KWhit and Barkeep steamrollered in early. I think we need to closely scrunitise both consuls. I can't be bothered trying to work out who didn't vote in the Consul elections but would be very happy to hear from anyone who didn't vote why they didn't.

[Narcizo]

Oops! Looks like I've pretty much repeated myself there. I didn't think I posted that the first time around. Sorry about that.

[Narcizo]

Then we should have everyone reveal who successfully bought a service on Day One, and how they used it. I know some of this has alreayd come out. Who used the sexslaves, though? Or the priest, wasn't there one of those? Or the other horse trader?


I think this is an excellent idea but I'd take it one step further. I would like everyone to state what service they bid on in day one even if they were unsuccessful. The reason for this is that I think it will give us a better idea of who's lying. (eg If a tier two Senator bid for the priest and wasn't accepted that means that the priest must have gone to a tier one or tier two senator).

I'm embarrassed to admit that I didn't place a bid in day one - initially I thought there was little point as I was a bottom tier guy. AE getting the bodyguard suggests that I might have been successful after all. Do you remember which bodyguard it was by the way, AE?

[hoopsguy]

I placed a bid on the horses on Day 1 - can go look up my PM to see which one it was if that is noteworthy. There were two of them and one of them went to Alan.

I think that Chief Rum's posted thoughts on the services are pretty well thought out.

I'm going to give Bullet the benefit of the doubt for a little while today. But I definitely want to hear from him and will move to throw him from the rock (likely by mid-day) if that doesn't appear to be forthcoming.

[Alan T]

Further thought--let's say services can be used for kills, as I believe.

Then we should have everyone reveal who successfully bought a service on Day One, and how they used it. I know some of this has alreayd come out. Who used the sexslaves, though? Or the priest, wasn't there one of those? Or the other horse trader?

I don't think the people who bought and won services for Day Two should announce. As AlanT said, that gives the Tarqs too much of a roadmap by which to go by. But the Day One services are bought and gone. If we know who bought every service that day and how they used it, we can put to rest whether or not these services are the tools by which the Tarqs may kill.

BTW, if this is true, it also behooves us to have good be rich and constantly buying services. If you are good and wealthy and are NOT buying a service, you are not helping the side of the Senate and Republic.


Right now I am assuming that the bad guys ended up hiring alot of the services due to the complete lack of anyone speaking about the service availability. So far we know Hoops and I purchased horse dealer service, we know Ardent was one of the legionares. That leaves 1 legionare, 1 sex dealer, 1 warlord and 1 priest purchased. So that either leaves 4 bad guys who purchased those services or good guys who just haven't been around yet since or are just being rather selfish about the information.

[Alan T]

I placed a bid on the horses on Day 1 - can go look up my PM to see which one it was if that is noteworthy. There were two of them and one of them went to Alan.

I think that Chief Rum's posted thoughts on the services are pretty well thought out.

I'm going to give Bullet the benefit of the doubt for a little while today. But I definitely want to hear from him and will move to throw him from the rock (likely by mid-day) if that doesn't appear to be forthcoming.

I agree, that I'll give Bulletsponge some time to come and give a reason to not vote for him, but if past history is any indication, I bet he won't give us much.

[Alan T]

OK getting back to the votes, I've included the votes to release Coffee because I wanted to get a picture of who didn't bother to vote at all. Of the three options available I find people not voting at all the most suspicious. Discounting WVUFan then I come up with

Alan T, Neon Chaos, Marc Vaughan, Autumn, LoneStarGirl, KWhit not casting any sort of vote. Please let me know if I'm wrong here as it's pretty difficult to cross-check this.

I'm inclined not to read too much into Alan's lack of vote as he clearly stated his point a few times but I'm interested in hearing from the rest of them about this and if it's likely to happen again in a two-candidate vote.

I'm not very happy about the consul vote (but have to accept that I'm as much to blame as anyone else, as I voted for both the successful candidates) in that there was never ever really much of a competition as KWhit and Barkeep steamrollered in early. I think we need to closely scrunitise both consuls. I can't be bothered trying to work out who didn't vote in the Consul elections but would be very happy to hear from anyone who didn't vote why they didn't.

Yes, if you are looking for me to give you a non-existant vote that doesn't exist in order to give an indication of something that my inaction would also show to go along with giving a reason for the inaction that I already had given, then... well.. :)

I think its pretty clear what my thoughts were about Coffee Warlord yesterday, I also remember Kwhit giving a decent amount of thought on it as well during the day. Far more so than anyone who came in and just "voted innocent" and left.

As for the Consuls, neither of the people I voted for were made a Consul, and I did comment yesterday that there seemed to be a nice go with the flow feeling on both the consuls and the Coffee Warlord feeling. Some members especially Tyrith jump out in my memory as being ones who clearly voted with whatever the general trend was at the time.

[Alan T]

What I would like to see is for everyone to state who they would like to see arrested today. We don't get a normal lynch vote here but we can act as though we did. That way it would be possible to keep some sort of extra voting record. Obviously it will be easy for the wolves to avoid committing to anything or they can just make a throwaway vote but if everyone commits to it I think it will provide a little bit more information for us to use.

I agree with this fully. I asked for two days feedback from people on who they thought would be good arrest candidates, and hardly anyone responded over 2 days (3 real days). I can give my initial thoughts for this morning, but they likely will change during the day. Like I said before twice, my thoughts about who to arrest yesterday were centered around 4 people:

Imthecrew - The least amount of posts at the time, very little conversation or discussion from him.

DaddyTorgo - One of the least active players so far this game, completely missed consul votes yesterday

Lonestargirl - Another one of the least active players so far this game, didn't make all of he consul votes and voted to execute someone who couldn't be executed that day.

Bulletsponge - A little more activity than the other three, but his posts appeared to not really be as much conversation posts as they were just comedical or posts that didn't really contribute to the goal of finding traitors.

Out of the 4, I chose Bulletsponge since I felt of the four, I had a better chance at him being a traitor. Part of me feels that none of the four are traitorous though, which leads to the secondary desire of if you aren't getting a wolf, then definitly don't lynch a villager who is being really active.



Just keep in mind, that I think going for under the radar players isn't a bad early game strategy, but once information comes out on various people I would obviously rather go after peope we know or suspect to be traitorous. While i was consul, I just did not have any of that type of information available to me so had to rely completely on hunches since very few people helped me out with suggestions for arrest.

[Peregrine]

I didn't bid on any services in Day 1, I should have but I wasn't really paying attention to that part of it.

[hoopsguy]

Lots of thoughts here, all in one post.

People that have struck a chord with me, in a negative way, at some point during the game:

1. Daddy Torgo - seemed to be playing a "me too" game on Day 1. Put out idea that KWhit is clogging the courts with suits (post #161). Bid on women Day 1 (post #161), no reports if he got them and if they provided value.
2. Barkeep - didn't understand his idea on suing "one level up" on Day 1, asks about suing randomly (post #93). Either having a hard time finding his groove early or something else. This is why I posted yesterday that I would like to see candidates emerge to challenge him as a Consul.
3. Autumn - looking to level financial playing field (post #71), asked about system where we don't pick who we sue (post #100). Did you get a horseman from Day 1 bid? (post #155)
4. Ironhead - was in his day 2 posts, haven't gotten that far yet in my review, will expand on this in post later today.


People who have left a minimal impression that I would like to see more from (that have not been previously discussed)
1. Anxiety - won a horseman (post #293)
2. Path - did you get the priest? (post #162)
3. Marc Vaughn
4. Schmidty
5. Antmeister
6. Neon Chaos



Also, further supporting the idea that lawsuit results are not random (post #171 by cronin):
The lawsuits will be resolved on their merits. I believe the only thing random.org needs to be consulted for is if the Tribune post should become empty.

[Alan T]

Lots of thoughts here, all in one post.

People that have struck a chord with me, in a negative way, at some point during the game:

1. Daddy Torgo - seemed to be playing a "me too" game on Day 1. Put out idea that KWhit is clogging the courts with suits (post #161). Bid on women Day 1 (post #161), no reports if he got them and if they provided value.
2. Barkeep - didn't understand his idea on suing "one level up" on Day 1, asks about suing randomly (post #93). Either having a hard time finding his groove early or something else. This is why I posted yesterday that I would like to see candidates emerge to challenge him as a Consul.
3. Autumn - looking to level financial playing field (post #71), asked about system where we don't pick who we sue (post #100). Did you get a horseman from Day 1 bid? (post #155)
4. Ironhead - was in his day 2 posts, haven't gotten that far yet in my review, will expand on this in post later today.


People who have left a minimal impression that I would like to see more from (that have not been previously discussed)
1. Anxiety - won a horseman (post #293)
2. Path - did you get the priest? (post #162)
3. Marc Vaughn
4. Schmidty
5. Antmeister
6. Neon Chaos



Also, further supporting the idea that lawsuit results are not random (post #171 by cronin):

Yes, day 1 I almost arrested daddyTorgo and day 2 I almost arrested him also. He's been bugging me alot this game for some reason I haven't quite put my finger on yet.

I kind of agree about Barkeep. not sure what exactly is up with him. I don't feel badly yet about Autumn or Ironhead, but perhaps its because they both are fairly new. Ironhead had some agenda that I couldn't put my finger on last night that I called him out on, but I don't think thats enough to say he's a traitor, he could have just been wrong.

On your second list, Anxiety really is the one that bugged me the most. He made references to things that I asked about and then tried to change the subject, to which I responded and then he just stopped responding all together on it.

[Poli]

BTW, boss isn't here right now. :)

Umm, I tried for the sex slave dude yesterday. I didn't get him. So someone else knows what they do now as well.

[Poli]

Ardent Enthusiast sues Alan T for past Werewolf injustices.

[Poli]

That sure makes me feel better. :)

[Alan T]

I tried to put together some kind of charting to see what we can learn from the lawsuits.. This is the best I could come up with:

The biggest collection of lawsuits seemed to be from this group. We don't know how Kwhit and Hoopsguy relate to each other, we don't know what level Grammaticus fits in comparison to Hoopsguy, kwhit and myself.

1. Alan T Grammaticus?
2. Kwhit Hoopsguy Grammaticus?
3. Autumn
4. Saldana
5. barkeep
6. Neon_Chaos


The next group I seperated out as the only common person was Kwhit. Basically we know Kwhit and Anxiety both bettered Ardent who beat Swaggs. Somewhere in this grouping Daddytorgo, Bulletsponge and Mustang fit together too.
1. Kwhit Anxiety
2. Ardent Daddytorgo? Bulletsponge?
3. Swaggs Daddytorgo? Bulletsponge? Mustang?
4. Mustang?

Then we had two other lawsuits of individuals that wern't tied with the rest.

1. Peregrine
2. Path

1. Coffee Warlord
2. Ironhead

[Alan T]

That sure makes me feel better. :)

Hey, no one is perfect! :)

[Poli]

Ardent drops the suit against Alan T.

I know, but that was fun.

[Alan T]

So today's lawsuits that are being decided that we can take a guess how some might end up:

Chief rum sues Lonestargirl - Unknown
Narcizo sues Peregrine - Unknown
Neon_Chaos sues Anxiety - Unknown (looking favorably to Anxiety)
Neon_Chaos sues Antmeister - Unknown
Neon_Chaos sues Autumn - Autumn should win
Neon_Chaos sues Barkeep - Barkeep should win
Neon_Chaos sues Path12 - Unknown
Neon_Chaos sues Peregrine - Unknown
Alan T sues Chief Rum - Unknown
Alan T sues Barkeep - Alan should win
Kwhit sues Chief Rum - Unknown
Kwhit sues DaddyTorgo - Unknown (leaning favorably to Kwhit)
Kwhit sues Hoopsguy - Unknown
Kwhit sues Narcizo - Unknown
Kwhit sues Neon_Chaos - Kwhit should win
Kwhit sues Tyrith - Unknown
Imthecrew sues Bulletsponge - Unknown
Imthecrew sues Alan T - Unknown
Antmeister sues Neon Chaos - Unknown

[Alan T]

I have been thinking more about what Cronin said that some evidence of treason may come from a lawsuit. I wonder if that part was the hint at the role of the lawyers and it has nothing to do with the suits themselves. If the suits are simply just to try to gain money for your own dealings after all.

[Poli]

No clue. Like I said, I know nothing about what I do/can do.

Heck, I'm not even sure Dodgerchick is telling the truth about hiring me. I certainly wasn't told about it.

I was just thinking about who I trust on my way to get some things stapled. Right now, I don't trust anyone...outside of a small trust of CW because of how he's playing. Even that isn't much. Probably the first time this is the case in a while.

[Alan T]

Alanus Teeus sues Grammus Atticus
Alanus Teeus sues Abeus Anxietus

Guessing everyone sees why i am sueing these two today, so won't go into a tons of details. Should help figure out more on how everyone fits together for lawsuits.

[Poli]

Ardent Enthusiast sues Kwhit for suing me yesterday.

[Alan T]

No clue. Like I said, I know nothing about what I do/can do.

Heck, I'm not even sure Dodgerchick is telling the truth about hiring me. I certainly wasn't told about it.

I was just thinking about who I trust on my way to get some things stapled. Right now, I don't trust anyone...outside of a small trust of CW because of how he's playing. Even that isn't much. Probably the first time this is the case in a while.

Yeah, I went back and forth on how I felt about Dodgerchick's reveal. The bad guys know I'm good, so revealing that to gain trust is a common move. I just think its pretty gutsy to indicate you have an ability that you don't have for very little gain if she was a wolf. We'll know more about how the lawyers operate today and tommorrow I imagine. If it shows to be consistant with the normal behavior of how the lawyers work, then we'll be able to take it somewhat close to face value. If not, then well I don't understand that move at all if she's not good. For now I'm willing to believe it and extend some latitude until we find out more from today's usage of the lawyers. (or I guess in this case would just be one lawyer as no one tried to get schmidty's service yesterday).

Right now from a trust perspective, I don't have anyone in full trust. I feel ok about a few people right now, however most people are in some shades of grey.

[bulletsponge]

ohh i see how it goes, everyone wants to kill me! of course thats how the traitorous Tarqs want me to go, because i can buy services that will make it hard to assassinate me. I am loyal to the republic but it seems some of you have a thirst for my blood. at least someone can hire some horizontal refreshment from the sex dealer, jail is lonely


ill be out till past noon, ill be at work. i suspect the enemies of the republic will continue to gather support for killing me

[Narcizo]

I had a theory that the poorer person tends to win the suit, it was almost perfect but a couple of cases slipped it up. However if (lack of) wealth does factor in somewhere then KWhit should be markedly less successful today, compared with yesterday. My other theory is that everyone has a hidden debating ability which determines who wins each case.

To test the wealth hypothesis.

Narcizo sues LoneStarGirl
Narcizo sues DaddyTorgo

Alan seems to be doing a good job of gathering information if it's about a hidden stat.

I agree that the quote of st.cronin hoopsguy mentioned above suggests that we probably won't be getting information about treachery directly from the court cases as that would require a random check. (unless a result is entirely dependent on who is suing whom).

[st.cronin]

Apparently the Tribune of the Plebs was awaiting some omen from the Gods to indicate that he should issue an arrest warrant. I apologize for any inconvenience I caused by not being more explicit.

[Poli]

So is another warrant being issued?

[Poli]

Ardent Enthusiast sues his paralegal and secretary to see his caseload.

[Poli]

If another warrant IS issued, and it's me. I'm counter-suing for damages. Justsoyouknow.

[Poli]

Another JSYK:

This is probably the most fun I've had in WW in a long long time.

[Poli]

Barkeep making me the captain is probably a close second.

[Poli]

Daredevil is probably 3rd.

[Alan T]

Another JSYK:

This is probably the most fun I've had in WW in a long long time.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/Turlos/95m.jpg

[Poli]

?

[Poli]

Ardent Enthusiast sues Alan T for defamation.

[Poli]

:)

[Barkeep49]

My list of potential arrests:

1. Narcazio -- Moved up a rank of wealth for no apparent reason
2. ITC -- Hardly ever an active player so this game isn't unusual, but as a rule I'm in favor of going after those who are less active
3. Ironhead -- Troubling inconsistencies

I would be open to other ideas as well.

[KWhit]

Ardent seems to be posting just to be posting.

[Alan T]

Ardent Enthusiast sues Alan T for defamation.

Hey, you look hot in a skirt.

[Alan T]

My list of potential arrests:

1. Narcazio -- Moved up a rank of wealth for no apparent reason
2. ITC -- Hardly ever an active player so this game isn't unusual, but as a rule I'm in favor of going after those who are less active
3. Ironhead -- Troubling inconsistencies

I would be open to other ideas as well.

In Narcizo's case, it seems apparent to me that you will always have the 3 richest, 5 next most wealthy, 8 semi-wealthy and then everyone else. Narcizo likely was the most wealthy of the bottom group before the day started and moved up with kwhit at the end of the day. (Remember Sndvls died and was in that group, and Mustang moved down from that group to the lower group apparently due to lawsuits).

What is concerning is I can't imagine Narcizo didn't notice that and chose not to say anything or mention it. That in itself is more suspicious to me than what appears to simply be a game mechanic.

[Abe Sargent]

i have a feeling Bulletsponge is a Tarq plus we need to see what happens when some one is thrown off the cliff so.....

VOTE KILL BULLETSPONGE



Gravity?

[Poli]

Ardent seems to be posting just to be posting.
QFT. I don't want to start the review lesson in front of me. But you're right, I should probably get to it.

[Abe Sargent]

Right now I am assuming that the bad guys ended up hiring alot of the services due to the complete lack of anyone speaking about the service availability. So far we know Hoops and I purchased horse dealer service, we know Ardent was one of the legionares. That leaves 1 legionare, 1 sex dealer, 1 warlord and 1 priest purchased. So that either leaves 4 bad guys who purchased those services or good guys who just haven't been around yet since or are just being rather selfish about the information.

*I* purchased horse dealers on Day one sir, as a reminder.

[Abe Sargent]

Yes, day 1 I almost arrested daddyTorgo and day 2 I almost arrested him also. He's been bugging me alot this game for some reason I haven't quite put my finger on yet.

I kind of agree about Barkeep. not sure what exactly is up with him. I don't feel badly yet about Autumn or Ironhead, but perhaps its because they both are fairly new. Ironhead had some agenda that I couldn't put my finger on last night that I called him out on, but I don't think thats enough to say he's a traitor, he could have just been wrong.

On your second list, Anxiety really is the one that bugged me the most. He made references to things that I asked about and then tried to change the subject, to which I responded and then he just stopped responding all together on it.


Last night was date night, so if it was then, then there you go. I honestl;y don;t even remember,

[Alan T]

*I* purchased horse dealers on Day one sir, as a reminder.

Someone is incorrect or lying or something then I believe. There were only two horse dealers available. I purchased one, and both Hoops and Anxiety claim to have purchased the other.

[Alan T]

Last night was date night, so if it was then, then there you go. I honestl;y don;t even remember,

No.. you responded to me something really random, and then didn't reply after that.

[Alan T]

I placed a bid on the horses on Day 1 - can go look up my PM to see which one it was if that is noteworthy. There were two of them and one of them went to Alan.

I think that Chief Rum's posted thoughts on the services are pretty well thought out.

I'm going to give Bullet the benefit of the doubt for a little while today. But I definitely want to hear from him and will move to throw him from the rock (likely by mid-day) if that doesn't appear to be forthcoming.

Here is where Hoops mentioned he also purchased the other service of a horse dealer.

Lexus Postus, owner of many horses
Blakus Fortunatus, owner of many horses

I am not going to say who I purchased from. I know, and one other person knows since I included the name of the horse owner in my message to them. I would like Hoops and Anxiety to both state which horse owner they won the services from.

[Narcizo]

My list of potential arrests:

1. Narcazio -- Moved up a rank of wealth for no apparent reason


Narcazio? Who's that?

I thought that was a bit odd as well but my idea is that I must have been at the top of the bottom tier and KWhit's reduction of peoples' wealth must have bumped me up. My impression is that the wealth listings is relative so other people losing money means that I'm relatively wealthier.

[Abe Sargent]

Someone is incorrect or lying or something then I believe. There were only two horse dealers available. I purchased one, and both Hoops and Anxiety claim to have purchased the other.

Are you sure you didn;t buy yesterday, Day Two? I had Blake Fortunatus as my purchase.

[Narcizo]

What is concerning is I can't imagine Narcizo didn't notice that and chose not to say anything or mention it. That in itself is more suspicious to me than what appears to simply be a game mechanic.

I didn't mention it because I thought it was pretty obvious that that's what happened. If I was trying to disguise the fact for whatever reason it's unlikely that I'd bring up the question of wealth with regards to suing and even go as far as to provide a clear indication of what tier of wealth I currently am in.

[Narcizo]

Ardent seems to be posting just to be posting.

Indeed. If we are to actually count relevant posts I think he'd be a long way down the list of posts in the thread rather than the second place he currently has.

[Alan T]

Are you sure you didn;t buy yesterday, Day Two? I had Blake Fortunatus as my purchase.

This is the name of the other horse dealer that I did not purchase. So now the ball is in Hoops' court. Since there is some unexplained discrepency here.

[Alan T]

I didn't mention it because I thought it was pretty obvious that that's what happened. If I was trying to disguise the fact for whatever reason it's unlikely that I'd bring up the question of wealth with regards to suing and even go as far as to provide a clear indication of what tier of wealth I currently am in.

Its werewolf, everything is suspicious and nothing is obvious.

[st.cronin]

Game note:

I am planning the following deadlines for the rest of the week.

Day III 9pm Eastern Time Wednesday
Day IV 9pm Eastern Time Thursday
Day V 9am Eastern Time Saturday
Day VI 9pm Eastern Time Sunday

The rationale here is three fold:

1. Fridays are usually pretty iffy days in terms of participation, especially around deadline.
2. I would like to fool around with my girlfriend on Friday night, and if I say "hang on while I go update my werewolf game," the mood will be hampered.
3. Mustang suggested he would have problems making a regular deadline on Friday, and I wanted to get him in.

If that schedule is a problem for you, pm me and I'll work something out.

[Poli]

I sooo want to comment on the fool around part, but I don't want to be struck down by the Gods with a bolt of lightning.

[st.cronin]

I sooo want to comment on the fool around part, but I don't want to be struck down by the Gods with a bolt of lightning.

You are growing wise in your old age.

[Poli]

I *am* a lawyer.

[hoopsguy]

Someone is incorrect or lying or something then I believe. There were only two horse dealers available. I purchased one, and both Hoops and Anxiety claim to have purchased the other.

I never claimed what date that I purchased the horse dealers. Although by deduction it should be pretty clear.

[hoopsguy]

I bid on Day 1 and lost (no PM). I bid on Day 2 and won. I'll be using it today.

[DaddyTorgo]

morning.

my personal life has been a mess guys, so I'm just not checking the thread every 2 minutes. i apologize, i'm not trying to play it UTR last night/this morning or anything

[hoopsguy]

Day 1 - bid on Fortunatas
Day 2 - bid on, and won the services of, Felix

[Narcizo]

I'm off and might well not be back at all for the rest of the day. I'll try to check back in later on though.

[path12]

I think this is an excellent idea but I'd take it one step further. I would like everyone to state what service they bid on in day one even if they were unsuccessful. The reason for this is that I think it will give us a better idea of who's lying. (eg If a tier two Senator bid for the priest and wasn't accepted that means that the priest must have gone to a tier one or tier two senator).

I put a bid in for the priest day one.

[path12]

Dola, didn't get it.

[path12]

I did get Maximus Maximus last night. He may protect me, he may protect the consuls, he may protect the lawyers. The Tarquins may try and guess which, if they feel lucky.

[KWhit]

I did get Maximus Maximus last night. He may protect me, he may protect the consuls, he may protect the lawyers. The Tarquins may try and guess which, if they feel lucky.

I know you will do the right thing.

;)

[DaddyTorgo]

okay: i actually didn't bid on the sexy ladies. my personal life went to shit and i ended up with a bunch of stuff to do so i never got around to PMing cronin with a bid. hadta go pickup some furniture for my sister's new apartment

me as LEAST active? i'd be VERY suspicious of anyone who says this. It was me back on D1 who was hashing out this strategy with you two Alan and Hoops. The whole "using lawsuits to get some sort of clearance" thing. As well as...whatever the other idea that the other person had, I forget.

That's a damm meaningful contribution. But ya know what...arrest me and toss me off the rock if you want.

Just remember who is accusing me and what they're accusing me of. I was there on D1 trying to formulate strategies, looking for ways to "game the game" as it were to get us as much info as possible.

[path12]

It's also time to sue a few folks. I haven't gone into the prior results in much detail, this is more a matter of my gut feel as to how these might work:

Pathus Twelvus sues Antus Meisterus
Pathus Twelvus sues Autumnus Leavus
Pathus Twelvus sues Tyrus Ithus
Pathus Twelvus sues Chiefus Rumus

[Alan T]

I never claimed what date that I purchased the horse dealers. Although by deduction it should be pretty clear.

Fair enough. I went back and reread and your posts seem to be purposefully misleading, but you are correct that you never said you won on day 1. Just gave the impression of it.

This seems like a really silly thing for a traitor to lie about and get caught, so I'm giving the benefit of the doubt that I didn't trap the great Hoopsguy in some lie about a horse. :) Plus its easy enough for someone to vouch for it tommorrow whether or not they receive a message from you.

[KWhit]

okay: i actually didn't bid on the sexy ladies. my personal life went to shit and i ended up with a bunch of stuff to do so i never got around to PMing cronin with a bid. hadta go pickup some furniture for my sister's new apartment

I don't understand this statement. Did you SAY that you had bid on the ladies?

[KWhit]

This seems like a really silly thing for a traitor to lie about and get caught.

That was my thinking on it as well. Doesn't make sense for him to lie about this, IMO.

[Barkeep49]

DT's little diatrbe reminds me I haven't cast my vote on bullet.

For the same reasons as yesterday, villagers don't win without some pain, I'll go ahead and

Vote to execute Bullet

I don't have nearly the same good feeling about him as I did with CW which makes me even happier to cast my vote.

[Coffee Warlord]

ohh i see how it goes, everyone wants to kill me! of course thats how the traitorous Tarqs want me to go, because i can buy services that will make it hard to assassinate me. I am loyal to the republic but it seems some of you have a thirst for my blood. at least someone can hire some horizontal refreshment from the sex dealer, jail is lonely

That....wasn't much of a defense.

[Alan T]

okay: i actually didn't bid on the sexy ladies. my personal life went to shit and i ended up with a bunch of stuff to do so i never got around to PMing cronin with a bid. hadta go pickup some furniture for my sister's new apartment

me as LEAST active? i'd be VERY suspicious of anyone who says this. It was me back on D1 who was hashing out this strategy with you two Alan and Hoops. The whole "using lawsuits to get some sort of clearance" thing. As well as...whatever the other idea that the other person had, I forget.

That's a damm meaningful contribution. But ya know what...arrest me and toss me off the rock if you want.

Just remember who is accusing me and what they're accusing me of. I was there on D1 trying to formulate strategies, looking for ways to "game the game" as it were to get us as much info as possible.


Actually on day 1 I was very nervous about how easily you went along with it, and then you became really quiet the rest of the game. Call me suspicious for thinking that if you will, but its how i feel about you. Prove me wrong today by contributing more :)

[KWhit]

Note:

I am open to suggestions on whom I should arrest today. Please let your voice be heard.

[Alan T]

Note:

I am open to suggestions on whom I should arrest today. Please let your voice be heard.

I mentioned a few of the people I considered and didn't arrest yesterday mainly based on inactivity (DaddyTorgo, Lonestargirl, Imthecrew).

A few other names if you choose to not like the inactive route that I am wary of: Anxiety (still never answered the questions from yesterday that he avoided), and Tyrith (seemed to be the most "go with the flow" voter I can remember in recent history.

[Coffee Warlord]

He'll want to sue me into oblivion (which I find quite detrimental to the side of the Republic), but AE is still high on my suspect list.

[Poli]

Bah! You're already being sued, or I'd sue you again!

[KWhit]

He'll want to sue me into oblivion (which I find quite detrimental to the side of the Republic), but AE is still high on my suspect list.

Why so?

I have noticed that he has posted about 1000 times without doing any meaningful analysis, but is there anything other than that?

[Poli]

Kwhit, I really don't have a suggestion for you. Noone leaps out to me as suspicious at this point.

[KWhit]

I mentioned a few of the people I considered and didn't arrest yesterday mainly based on inactivity (DaddyTorgo, Lonestargirl, Imthecrew).

A few other names if you choose to not like the inactive route that I am wary of: Anxiety (still never answered the questions from yesterday that he avoided), and Tyrith (seemed to be the most "go with the flow" voter I can remember in recent history.

I agree completely with you on LSG and ITC. Slightly less on DT at this point (just because he seems to have been slightly more active than the other two, not because I have a good feeling about him).

Not sure about Anxiety or Tyrith. I'll have to go back and reread some of their posts.

But thanks for the input. We need more of this kind of talk today than we had yesterday.

[Abe Sargent]

I mentioned a few of the people I considered and didn't arrest yesterday mainly based on inactivity (DaddyTorgo, Lonestargirl, Imthecrew).

A few other names if you choose to not like the inactive route that I am wary of: Anxiety (still never answered the questions from yesterday that he avoided), and Tyrith (seemed to be the most "go with the flow" voter I can remember in recent history.

Ask them again, like I said, I was out much of the day yesterday, and I didn;t see you re-asking them when I had some time and was available this morning, so if they are still important to you, bring them back up.

[Abe Sargent]

KWhit I already mentioend what I found to be suspicious yesterday on Day Two - people who avoid the spotlight when it comes to being a consul.

[path12]

As for arrests, I can't discount the idea of wolves hiding in the sheer numbers and as such would look at folks such as Imus Thecrewus, Ironsus Headus, Marcus Vaughnus and Antus Meisterus (though as it's his first game it might just be trying to get his feet under him, but of course we learned from Ironhead that you can't assume anything). I realize that I could be placed in the quiet list up to this point also, but as I get familiar with the mechanics I'm starting to get some ideas and should be more to my normal activity level (right in the middle).

[Coffee Warlord]

Why so?

I have noticed that he has posted about 1000 times without doing any meaningful analysis, but is there anything other than that?

What I mentioned last night. I freely admit it's not much and there are several good alternate explanations, but it's something. Swaggs has the ability to, when hired, scan someone at the request of whoever hired him. Assuming Dodgerchick is on the level, AE had this ability to. If he was in fact, a traitor, he'd definately push for the death of Swaggs, both to move him up in the lawyer ranks AND remove a quasi-seer from play.

I will admit that it's entirely possible he wasn't informed about this ability, which makes the above totally moot, but it's a piece of remotely solid evidence on someone.

[Poli]

Kwhit, something I'd like to add in regards to me:
I typically don't like to go back and search through posts as a villager. It's something I'll do as a bad guy, since I'm actually looking to see if I can catch someone with a misinterpretation of the truth, if you will.

I did a lot of lieing as Daredevil, if I'm not mistaken, and I was a villager then.

In fact, I think I've been a villager in every game since my return. However, I haven't lied at all in the games since Daredevil, and that's the truth. Truth is, I haven't had a role with a special action since then.

It's actually a fun way of playing. Kind of refreshing. I just post what's happened to me, and I think you'll see...IF you go back and look at my posts (and again, I probably wouldn't look myself) you'll see that as soon as I have info, I share it.

[Tyrith]

This is the most go with the flow I ever remember being in WW. Honestly, I'm almost completely clueless right now, I can't even really begin to formulate ideas as to who is what except that we need to crush the quiet people. But we don't even have voting records to speculate on so far, no real information, and I don't have a basis for flinging crap around and waiting for something to stick, yet.

[Abe Sargent]

I guess I have to tell my nanny that I'll be away for a few hours or else he'll think that I;m intentionally avoiding him or something. Nanny, I'll be away for a while. When I come back, if your very very good, you can ask me any three questions you want, and I'll answer each with total truthness.