Werewolf XLV - ROME! (Game over, post 3425)

[Poli]

Wait a second. VERY Funny, hater Tarqs. I don't want male sex slaves.

[Poli]

Wait, there are some females. This may work out.

[Mustang]

I had the services of Macro hence my subtle proddings at asking about who we should potentially kill. I did not come out and publically say because I that whomever we picked might then potentially be guarded or something would happen to me to prevent a kill.

This is why I initially thought Pass was lying about not submitting a bid for Macro, I got him so, I was bewildered at how this could happen. Appears that a mistake was made (cronin stated) and it was still fair. Appears that the only way it could be fair is if me and Pass were on the same side.

I have no reason to believe Pass is a Tarq.

[Mustang]

By the way.. the only reason that I bid on Macro was just because I picked someone and threw in a bid.

I didn't think that being so low down I would have a chance at anyone but, still wanted to do something.

[Poli]

So did you have Antmeister eliminated?

I hate to admit this, but I have just about no clue who this macro guy is.

[Mustang]

I hate to admit this, but I have just about no clue who this macro guy is.

You may know him by his other name - F3


Anyhoo.. yes, I did order Macro to kill Antmeister.

[Peregrine]

AE, did you get a read on the two people killed today?

[Poli]

All I got were the sex slaves. I don't get reads on the poisons or the by the sword stuff, at least I haven't thus far.

The only person I could have got a read on was Chubby.

[Poli]

The only people I could get a read on this time would be Neon and Chubby. I really don't like the rejail Chubby thing. I wish Hoops had did a better job with that.

[Poli]

Meanwhile, sending the horses to Hoops has did me absolutely no good. I mean, good thing it's almost a worthless service, but I hate to waste it.

[Passacaglia]

Oh geez, in my excitement to use Maximus (to guard Chief Rum) I forgot to put a bid in!

[Poli]

I like how I'm finally getting to sue everyone.

[Grammaticus]

Wait a second. VERY Funny, hater Tarqs. I don't want male sex slaves.

?? what does this mean? Or are you just screwing around?

[Poli]

Nope, I had male and female sex slaves sent to me.

[Poli]

As in nope, I'm not screwing around.

[Grammaticus]

Didn't wither the priest or the philosopher let you check on dead guys for faction?

General consensu of death by poison tells us hoops was one of us. It would be nice to know if antmeister was Republican or Tarq.

[Grammaticus]

In the above post "wither" is "either"

[Poli]

Yeah, same goes for the other two that died by the sword.

What I hate is not knowing who hires me.

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE EXECUTE NEON_CHAOS

for starters. I find him still much more suspicious than Chubbus Chubbus and his predecessor.

As for consul-voting...who would we like to see up there?

this game is so damm confusing, I'm still having a hard time getting a real read on people.

[Coffee Warlord]

Only 1 lawyer now? Lovely.

[Poli]

Yeah, I know C Dub. Lovely. At least we'll now see what happens when a lawyer is in jail.

I'm hoping for fireworks.

[Coffee Warlord]

And I have Animus Sentus today. And he's...awfully pointless in this game.

[Poli]

Is he a horse guy?

[Coffee Warlord]

No. I can use him to compel 1 vote.

[Peregrine]

If people want to unofficially vote who they want arrested for tomorrow, I will be glad to go along with that.

[Poli]

No. I can use him to compel 1 vote.
Heh, that'd be useful if you were a bad guy, but I don't have you pegged as one of those.

[Poli]

I'd send Tyrith or path, Peregrine.

[Coffee Warlord]

Heh, that'd be useful if you were a bad guy, but I don't have you pegged as one of those.

I dunno if it'd even be all that useful if I was, unless they managed to use it to break a tie.

[Poli]

That's the only way I'd see it useful, honestly.

Anyone being taunted by the GM? Yeah, I just called you out, cronin.:)

[Poli]

That should read, Anyone else being taunted...

[Ironhead]

Going out to look at houses. I should be back around in 3-5 hours. I am starting to get very suspicious of a few people. I will post some analysis when I got back.

[Poli]

I'm with you Ironhead. I'm leaving in about 20 minutes.

[Chief Rum]

As in nope, I'm not screwing around.

Well, apparently you are. And the females are looking bored.

[Chief Rum]

Oh geez, in my excitement to use Maximus (to guard Chief Rum) I forgot to put a bid in!

Thanks for the thought at least. :)

[Chief Rum]

Didn't wither the priest or the philosopher let you check on dead guys for faction?

General consensu of death by poison tells us hoops was one of us. It would be nice to know if antmeister was Republican or Tarq.

Did that information come out about the priest/philosopher? I didn't read that anywhere but maybe I missed it.

It would be incredibly useful right now to know if saldana and Antmeister were loyal or Tarqs.

[Chief Rum]

Yeah, same goes for the other two that died by the sword.

What I hate is not knowing who hires me.

It was someone higher than me on the wealth chain (about half the group). I bid for you and did not get you.

[Chief Rum]

Only 1 lawyer now? Lovely.

Yup, and DC didn't submit an order for the other one, so we get nothing from lawyers today (plus, he's busy with sex slaves, so we probably don't get anything regardless of what DC does).

This is why I had an issue with arresting Neon. I felt we should check him out first, although he wasn't on my personal list of people to check first (that would be ardent and Antmeister).

Now if we kill Neon, we are certain to lose the second lawyer for a second day. Well, st. cronin doesn't even give the second lawyer service as an option.

st. cronin, if Neon is not executed but freed, wouldn't he be available for hiring?

I doubt it will come up, though. I'm pretty sure he's off the rock.

[Chief Rum]

No. I can use him to compel 1 vote.

Don't make me look him up. What's his job? Is he the priest? I'm lazy.

And yes that seems of small value in this game, unless it's close.

[Chief Rum]

I had the services of Macro hence my subtle proddings at asking about who we should potentially kill. I did not come out and publically say because I that whomever we picked might then potentially be guarded or something would happen to me to prevent a kill.

This is why I initially thought Pass was lying about not submitting a bid for Macro, I got him so, I was bewildered at how this could happen. Appears that a mistake was made (cronin stated) and it was still fair. Appears that the only way it could be fair is if me and Pass were on the same side.

I have no reason to believe Pass is a Tarq.

Exactly. Your predecessor was a first consul. I have a hard time believing st. cronin would have made an opening consul a Tarq in this game.

And if my logic is correct, you are right then that Pass is probably a good guy as well.

I think we can start to establish some rudimentary trust circles. I will post my thoughts in a bit.

[Chief Rum]

The Consul of Rome is:
Narcizus Lispus

The Tribune of the Plebs is:

Peregrinus Barbarus (will have temporary Consular authority for one day)

I wish the ole randomizer would stop putting people from my original suspect list (from the Day One sword killer patron analysis) in the Tribune position.

Not seeing I have anything else on Peregrine, but he isn't cleared by far.

[st.cronin]

st. cronin, if Neon is not executed but freed, wouldn't he be available for hiring?

He is not available today, as he is in jail. Tomorrow, if he is freed, he will be available for hire in the Forum.

[Chief Rum]

Well that's odd, I won three lawsuits and I dropped way, way down in money. Oh well, at least we have two choices today, finally.

LSG/Chubbus's drop was even more precipitous. All the way to the bottom tier? Talk about riches to rags.

[Chief Rum]

He is not available today, as he is in jail. Tomorrow, if he is freed, he will be available for hire in the Forum.

So a jailing of a lawyer essentially removes for not one, but two days? Neon can't perform his hired task today because he is in jail, and he can't be hired for tomorrow because he is in jail?

I really, really, really don't like that we arrested one of our lawyers.

[Chief Rum]

So a jailing of a lawyer essentially removes for not one, but two days? Neon can't perform his hired task today because he is in jail, and he can't be hired for tomorrow because he is in jail?

I really, really, really don't like that we arrested one of our lawyers.

Ha! Quoted before you red-fonted the message!

[Chief Rum]

Last time I voted for CW. My trust of him as slipped since then. I'm really at a lost about who I trust at the moment and am struggling with which way to cast my vote for consul. I'll be interested in hearing who comes forward as a nominee.

I would guess my name will be thrown out there for consul, given the votes I got the last couple times. Unfortunately, this time I will have to withdraw my name from the bidding. The term will be for Monday and Tuesday, and I work both jobs both days. It will be difficult for me to be around for input. It's disappointing because this was why I was aiming for the position over the weekend. I knew I would be available then.

I am still deciding whom I would like to see step forward.

[Neon_Chaos]

Based on how the game's going and how everyone's interacting, I'm probably going to die by execution at the end of the game day, no way is Chubby going to be executed, and people will bandwagon on me.

I haven't tried to acquire any kind of service since the start of the game, considering how my lawsuits failed miserably to put me in any bidding power.

I am 90% sure that Ardent Enthusiast is a Tarq. I haven't received a single PM concerning the "identity" of dead people. Of course, I've always been a horrible analysis guy... so, there.

I have my doubts on Autumn/KWhit (based on my post-count analysis) and either one of the wealthiest senators, since the only way they can confirm my innocence (based on whatever rule we're working with, which I'm still not certain as to how it even works) is by bidding for AE and scanning me. Can anyone confirm if someone did use AE and scanned me, as hoopsguy said?

Narcizo is either a Tarq, or has been a really helpful pawn for the Tarq's. I'm sure he has his reasons for doubting me, but there are a lot of other players worth arresting more than myself, considering I was a lawyer and could have been used to scan people.

As for everyone else, I have no idea who's loyal to the Senate and the Republic like myself.

This game has been more frustrating than fun, actually. Didn't really like how we're all grasping for the basic rules of the game for the first two to three game days. I never really got into the groove of things. :)

[Chief Rum]

Here is my current trust list:

100% Trust

Chiefus Rumus (of course)

Good trust

Kayus Whitus
Passus Caglius
Narcizus Lispus
Mustangus Sallus

I feel pretty solid about this group right now. Kwhit did not have a faultless term as consul, but by and large he has been on the up and up and helping and active. Pass seems at least a little bit confirmed from the Mustang sword use. Narcizo has been one of the most helpful, analytical people in the game and Mustang was an original consul.

Moderate Trust

Ironus Headus
Ardentus Enthusiastus
Autumnus Leavus

Ironhead has done some things and announced others that have checked out, all in the name of good. I find him to be reasonably trustworthy. Ardent has drawn some looks for still being alive, but I really do believe he is being left there for us by the Tarqs to rouse suspicion. Everything he has said has checked out so far. Autumn has provided some very good analysis for a new player.

Moderate Distrust

Dodgeus Erchickus
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Grammus Atticus
Pathus Twelvus
Peregrinus Barbarus
Neonus Chaosus

DC used to be higher but the continued issues of putting her wealth to good use, and our troubles overall with hiring services needs to fall at the feet of the most wealthy. At some point, I have to stop thinking there is a mess up and start wondering. So she drops to this list. She could go back up if she can successfully hire a critical service and use it in a demonstrative way for good. Barkeep has just had way too many issues as consul, and then he was on my short list as the possible patron of the Day One sword killer. Grammaticus is more personal. He has made a couple comments that struck me wrong, and he would be a veteran player who hasn't really made much of an impact. Path12 is another veteran member (although his posting is about right for what he does) who hasn't contributed much, and he was on my suspect list from the analysis. Peregrine is also on that list, and way too crafty a player to not be trusted by now if he is good. Neon's combativeness with Narcizo and some other "off" comments puts him here for me.

No Read/Uncertain

Abeus Anxietus
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus
Chubbus Chubbus
Daddyus Torgous
Tyrus Ithus

Anxiety has been extremely quiet. He should probably on a distrust list at this point. He is one of our wealthiest and in a position to help us, but I haven't heard anything from him. Still, the fact Ironhead got the sword killer today suggests there is no wolf in the top tier. I find it hard to believe the Tarqs wouldn't prioritize getting that service. I would feel a lot more comfortable if Anxiety was actively working with us and employing his wealth with us. Coffee had good clearing before and a vouching, but I sometimes think he is a candidate for conversion. He hasn't been as helpful as I had hoped he would be, plus he was as known good as anyone earlier in the game, and yet he still lives. No read on Chubby at all, of course, and now he's too poor to prove useful. DaddyTorgo has fallen to UTR status along with some of the other veteran players. He really hasn't contributed much to us that I have seen, much like Anxiety, path12 and Gramm. Tyrith has been kinda drop in with a comment and drop out sort. Hard to read that, although it can certainly be construed as suspicious.

To say I don't have a good feel for hardly anyone at this point would not be a stretch.

[Chief Rum]

Based on how the game's going and how everyone's interacting, I'm probably going to die by execution at the end of the game day, no way is Chubby going to be executed, and people will bandwagon on me.

I haven't tried to acquire any kind of service since the start of the game, considering how my lawsuits failed miserably to put me in any bidding power.

I am 90% sure that Ardent Enthusiast is a Tarq. I haven't received a single PM concerning the "identity" of dead people. Of course, I've always been a horrible analysis guy... so, there.

I have my doubts on Autumn/KWhit (based on my post-count analysis) and either one of the wealthiest senators, since the only way they can confirm my innocence (based on whatever rule we're working with, which I'm still not certain as to how it even works) is by bidding for AE and scanning me. Can anyone confirm if someone did use AE and scanned me, as hoopsguy said?

Narcizo is either a Tarq, or has been a really helpful pawn for the Tarq's. I'm sure he has his reasons for doubting me, but there are a lot of other players worth arresting more than myself, considering I was a lawyer and could have been used to scan people.

As for everyone else, I have no idea who's loyal to the Senate and the Republic like myself.

This game has been more frustrating than fun, actually. Didn't really like how we're all grasping for the basic rules of the game for the first two to three game days. I never really got into the groove of things. :)

Hmm, there's tons here I disagree with, although I 100% agree with your final comment. We haven't had a Senator thrown off the rock since you have been a lawyer, so you won't be able to confirm that part from AE. Plus, now you're in jail, so you likely won't get any information today either (and of course, if it's you off the rock, it doesn't matter at all from your perspective).

Can you go into more of why you have your KWhit/Autmnn doubts? What was the basis behind your post count analysis? They have been active and contributing and haven't said anything that I recall being countered or seemed suspicious. Kwhit had some issues as consul, and he deserves due blame for that, but I think he came out of that looking more the confused Senator than a Tarq.

I agree with you on the wealthy senators. We are having way too many problems procuring services for it to be unintentional.

Although I agree you aren't my choice to have been arrested, I really think you're barking up the wrong tree with Narc. I view his decision as misguided, but that he has been very helpful and analytical. You earned it somewhat by being as combative as you were when he suggested he suspected you. Good players don't turn down scans, by and large.

I have yet to decide if I will be a party to your execution. I'm just maddeningly disappoiinted we don't have the services of eitherl awyer really today.

[Narcizo]

You may know him by his other name - F3

Anyhoo.. yes, I did order Macro to kill Antmeister.

What?

Can people please stop going unilateral with the assassain. Now we have absolutely no way of knowing whether Ant was a bad guy. He wasn't going anywhere or doing anything. All we had to do was wait for a lawyer to scan him and then we would have known for sure. Now we're completely in the dark.

Anyway, I really would like everyone to vote four times today.
1) Who do we execute. We've had enough pfaffing around. I'm going to come back to Neon because I don't think it's as clear cut as things might seem. Anyone who misses the vote should be arrested tomorrow. We've, finally, got a two-candidate race, something approaching a normal WW lynch.
2) Who do we arrest tomorrow. With reasons. I'm very annoyed that I got advice/suggestions from about, what, 5 people yesterday. Unless the game has 15 odd wolves that means that a lot of villagers can't be bothered.
3 + 4) Consul votes.

[Neon_Chaos]

Can you go into more of why you have your KWhit/Autmnn doubts? What was the basis behind your post count analysis? They have been active and contributing and haven't said anything that I recall being countered or seemed suspicious. Kwhit had some issues as consul, and he deserves due blame for that, but I think he came out of that looking more the confused Senator than a Tarq.

It's more of Autumn than KWhit, actually. KWhit is pretty much moderately unsuspicious to me. AE, Autumn, Kwhit, AlanT and hoopsguy have the most post-counts.

Only AE, Autumn and Kwhit are alive. Unless AE and Autumn's analysis have been wrong to the point that they're helping the Tarqs, I doubt that the Wolves are going to leave the talkative ones alive.

The easiest way to win a Werewolf game is to quiet down the people who are making the most analysis. AlanT was trying to do that from Day 1. Hoopsguy rallied midway through the day to collect and analyze post-counts. Bye bye hoops.

As for DodgerChick, I have slight doubts on her as well, due to her early participation and sudden drop-off.

But there. As I said before, I trust noone. :)

[Chief Rum]

We really, really need to coordinate our service buying efforts. We need to set a plan in motion for the hiring of services and send in PMs now. Let's look at the services first:

Critical services

Macro Gothicus, barbarian turned citizen for his service during wartime (duh, #1)
Ardentus Enthusiastus, lawyer (our seer people!)

Almost critical

Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves (role blocker)
Maximus Maximus, ex-legionnaire (bodyguard)

If we want to use our seer, we need to control the pimp. Plus, if we control the pimp, we have no reason to fear announcing what services we purchase. I'm not sure the bodyguard stops a poisoning, but just in case, the first one goes here. If we lose Macro somehow, both BGs rise to to importance.

Good to have, but not as critical

Vitus Avidus, ex-legionnaire (bodyguard)

If we hire Macro, the second BG becomes of little importance (as noted)/

Remaining services

Balbus Senna, political philosopher from Corsica
Faustus Felix, owner of many horses
Bonus Oceanus, owner of many horses

These services are of no use to us, IMO. No one with a chance of getting a service should be bidding on these. Let them fall lower and see if anyone else can put them to good use.

Following, a plan to try to follow to get these services.

[Narcizo]

I was suspicious of Neon (A couple of people who actually bothered to express an opinion seemed to share) but I was also hoping to get a scan of him to establish his identity. Now it looks like someone might not have wanted that to happen. It could be Neon or it could be someone else who want to have him executed.

I'm going to review Neon's posts to try and pinpoint what I find suspicious. (other than the obvious "don't scan me" bit). Unfortunately probably not tonight. To be honest though, I'm not a huge fan of the "If you think I'm guilty and I'm not then you must be guilty" argument Neon applied to me, KWhit and Autumn.

[Narcizo]

Ironhead had some theory about either Pass or Chubby being guilty. Could he repeat it now that it seems to be pretty relevent to the lynch vote. .

[Narcizo]

I'm also currently trying to formulate some suspicions I have about Coffee. He seems to have been given a free ride over assassainating someone in a key position and then coming out and saying that saldana was a villager. Again that is probably going to have to wait until tomorrow.

[Neon_Chaos]

To be honest though, I'm not a huge fan of the "If you think I'm guilty and I'm not then you must be guilty" argument Neon applied to me, KWhit and Autumn.

Oh, it has nothing to do with that. :)

My argument for KWhit and Autumn are regarding the post-counts, nothing to do with their thoughts of me.

My argument for you is that there are a lot of other guys out there who should be arrested (given that I'm a lawyer, and we lost the ability to scan an additional guy to the AE scan)

I'm out. See ya when I see ya. :)

[Chief Rum]

Here is a plan to hire these services. I'm not going to say we have to do this, but honestly, why would you not? If someone has a better plan, I would like to hear it. I am going to throw it some service purchase orders here, and I would like everyone so named to commit to doing it and send in the PM immediately. Then confirm that they have sent it.

Everyone so named needs to participate for it to work. If one of us doesn't do it, it fails. But if we all agree, and send in our PMs and confirm it, if anything goes awry the next day, we will know who "messed up" and who is likely a Tarq.

Really, unless you can come up with a betetr plan or sound reasoning for why this shouldn't work or isn't a good idea, I would expect any resistance to be evidence you are a Tarq and working against the Republic. Sorry to take the hard line, but at this point, we need someone to take control and ensure we get things done. I hope I will have backing in this.

Here is the plan:

Dodgeus Erchickus-- Bid for MACRO, the sword killer
Kayus Whitus-- Bid for ARDENT, lawyer
Abeus Anxietus-- Bid for DURUS PIMPUS, sex slave dealer

Ironus Headus-- Bid for MAXIMUS MAXIMUS, legionnaire/BG
Passus Caglius-- Bid for VITUS AVIDUS, legionnaire/BG

This should be all that is necessary to control the services. I would like to set up backup options, but I am uncertain of this because we start to get to more suspicious people (IMO). CoffeeWarlord and path12, though, have to be committed, because they are on the same level as Ironhead and Passacaglia. Wemust also lock down what they bid on.

Thusly, they should bid on:

Coffeus Yakus Warlordus-- Bid for MACRO, the sword killer
Pathus Twelvus-- Bid for ARDENT, lawyer

Narcizo and I are in the next wealth group, so we should submit backup bids as well. I will bid for the sex slave dealer, if Narcizo will bid for one of the legionnaires/BGs.

I would welcome backup bid commitments from Autumn, Barkeep and Peregrine, but we have some people who have been questioned here, so not sure if we can count on them. If they wish to participate and help, then they should announce their bid and confirm the PM sent.

Now, does anyone see any issues with this plan?

[Coffee Warlord]

I'm also currently trying to formulate some suspicions I have about Coffee. He seems to have been given a free ride over assassainating someone in a key position and then coming out and saying that saldana was a villager. Again that is probably going to have to wait until tomorrow.

I repeat, when I made the original post, I was still under the apparently mistaken impression that we got confirmation if we offed a Tarq.

[Narcizo]

OK. The latest I'm going to be here is around 15:00 Sunday. Please can I have input on who to arrest. I'm not going to be here again today. Sorry to cut and run without my usual essays but there's been a lot to take in and I don't have the same amount of time at the weekends.

[Chief Rum]

I HAVE SUBMITTED A BID FOR DURUS PIMPUS, A BACKUP BID.

[Coffee Warlord]

Now, does anyone see any issues with this plan?

Quite simply, you have me bidding on someone that, assuming DC actually bids on, I cannot possibly get. What's the point?

[Narcizo]

I repeat, when I made the original post, I was still under the apparently mistaken impression that we got confirmation if we offed a Tarq.

Yeah I read that. Honestly speaking though you have to admit that you took very little flak for it and it's not exactly a comprehensive defence. And how do you now know that we don't get confirmation?

[Coffee Warlord]

Yeah I read that. Honestly speaking though you have to admit that you took very little flak for it and it's not exactly a comprehensive defence. And how do you now know that we don't get confirmation?

Uh, 'cause noone has said we got a Tarq?

[Chief Rum]

Quite simply, you have me bidding on someone that, assuming DC actually bids on, I cannot possibly get. What's the point?

In case she messes up. And to get you to commit to whom you're bidding on. Would you rather bid on a useless horse owner?

[Chief Rum]

Just to follow up, the more we can get people to commit their service bids, the more we know where to look for Tarqs. Not choosing to so commit is suspicious in and of itself, once again, without damn good reason, IMO.

[Coffee Warlord]

Just to follow up, the more we can get people to commit their service bids, the more we know where to look for Tarqs. Not choosing to so commit is suspicious in and of itself, once again, without damn good reason, IMO.

I'll go along with this, but realize I disagree with your logic here. You're making it far too simplistic for the Tarqs to get a smidge of trust. They can kill at least 1 person a night at their leisure, we're trying to snuff out traitors with piss-poor information. Why WOULDN'T a Tarq just go along with this? They get free knowledge of who has what, and they still get their one kill.

[Chief Rum]

I'll go along with this, but realize I disagree with your logic here. You're making it far too simplistic for the Tarqs to get a smidge of trust. They can kill at least 1 person a night at their leisure, we're trying to snuff out traitors with piss-poor information. Why WOULDN'T a Tarq just go along with this? They get free knowledge of who has what, and they still get their one kill.

But we have the bodyguards. We have the sword killer. We have the seers. Is it foolproof? Of course not. But right now, we're leaking kills and opportunities to gain information. At least this gives us some control over it.

Right now, we're shooting in the dark. Hell, even when we hit, we don't even know if we got a Tarq. At least with a certainty of who has offered what, we can trace actions (or lack thereof) to those people and eliminate them with arrests and executions. Either they will be Tarqs or lazy/apathetic/nonhelpful/etc. I don't see a downside to either sort being thrown from the rock.

[Coffee Warlord]

Alright, if we do this, we positively, absolutely have to have the whores in our pocket. Without them, we give the Tarqs a free roadmap of exactly who to use them on.

[Coffee Warlord]

Dola.

To expand on the above, the richest person we trust the most better bid on the whores.

[Passacaglia]

Ironhead had some theory about either Pass or Chubby being guilty. Could he repeat it now that it seems to be pretty relevent to the lynch vote. .

Yeah, I guess I'd like to hear that, too.

I'm down with CR's idea. My bid is sent.

[Chief Rum]

Dola.

To expand on the above, the richest person we trust the most better bid on the whores.

As long as the above bids are followed, the whores will be ours. Or we will know their assigned person is a Tarq (Anxiety).

Did you send in your bid?

[Coffee Warlord]

As long as the above bids are followed, the whores will be ours. Or we will know their assigned person is a Tarq (Anxiety).

Did you send in your bid?

Just did.

[Abe Sargent]

First of all, I haven't been one of the top wealthy until yesterday. And I have used my powers for good, I've been one of the most open about what I've bought and what I've done with it since Day Two. I was the one to bring up what sex slaves do, for example.

I;m not posting at super high levels, but then again, I don;t always barring some serious notice my way early from the group or a very powerful role.

Besides, this is my 70th post in thread. You have 81. That;s not that big of a difference in terms of quiet vs loud.

Here is my current trust list:

100% Trust

Chiefus Rumus (of course)

Good trust

Kayus Whitus
Passus Caglius
Narcizus Lispus
Mustangus Sallus

I feel pretty solid about this group right now. Kwhit did not have a faultless term as consul, but by and large he has been on the up and up and helping and active. Pass seems at least a little bit confirmed from the Mustang sword use. Narcizo has been one of the most helpful, analytical people in the game and Mustang was an original consul.

Moderate Trust

Ironus Headus
Ardentus Enthusiastus
Autumnus Leavus

Ironhead has done some things and announced others that have checked out, all in the name of good. I find him to be reasonably trustworthy. Ardent has drawn some looks for still being alive, but I really do believe he is being left there for us by the Tarqs to rouse suspicion. Everything he has said has checked out so far. Autumn has provided some very good analysis for a new player.

Moderate Distrust

Dodgeus Erchickus
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Grammus Atticus
Pathus Twelvus
Peregrinus Barbarus
Neonus Chaosus

DC used to be higher but the continued issues of putting her wealth to good use, and our troubles overall with hiring services needs to fall at the feet of the most wealthy. At some point, I have to stop thinking there is a mess up and start wondering. So she drops to this list. She could go back up if she can successfully hire a critical service and use it in a demonstrative way for good. Barkeep has just had way too many issues as consul, and then he was on my short list as the possible patron of the Day One sword killer. Grammaticus is more personal. He has made a couple comments that struck me wrong, and he would be a veteran player who hasn't really made much of an impact. Path12 is another veteran member (although his posting is about right for what he does) who hasn't contributed much, and he was on my suspect list from the analysis. Peregrine is also on that list, and way too crafty a player to not be trusted by now if he is good. Neon's combativeness with Narcizo and some other "off" comments puts him here for me.

No Read/Uncertain

Abeus Anxietus
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus
Chubbus Chubbus
Daddyus Torgous
Tyrus Ithus

Anxiety has been extremely quiet. He should probably on a distrust list at this point. He is one of our wealthiest and in a position to help us, but I haven't heard anything from him. Still, the fact Ironhead got the sword killer today suggests there is no wolf in the top tier. I find it hard to believe the Tarqs wouldn't prioritize getting that service. I would feel a lot more comfortable if Anxiety was actively working with us and employing his wealth with us. Coffee had good clearing before and a vouching, but I sometimes think he is a candidate for conversion. He hasn't been as helpful as I had hoped he would be, plus he was as known good as anyone earlier in the game, and yet he still lives. No read on Chubby at all, of course, and now he's too poor to prove useful. DaddyTorgo has fallen to UTR status along with some of the other veteran players. He really hasn't contributed much to us that I have seen, much like Anxiety, path12 and Gramm. Tyrith has been kinda drop in with a comment and drop out sort. Hard to read that, although it can certainly be construed as suspicious.

To say I don't have a good feel for hardly anyone at this point would not be a stretch.

[Abe Sargent]

Here is a plan to hire these services. I'm not going to say we have to do this, but honestly, why would you not? If someone has a better plan, I would like to hear it. I am going to throw it some service purchase orders here, and I would like everyone so named to commit to doing it and send in the PM immediately. Then confirm that they have sent it.

Everyone so named needs to participate for it to work. If one of us doesn't do it, it fails. But if we all agree, and send in our PMs and confirm it, if anything goes awry the next day, we will know who "messed up" and who is likely a Tarq.

Really, unless you can come up with a betetr plan or sound reasoning for why this shouldn't work or isn't a good idea, I would expect any resistance to be evidence you are a Tarq and working against the Republic. Sorry to take the hard line, but at this point, we need someone to take control and ensure we get things done. I hope I will have backing in this.

Here is the plan:

Dodgeus Erchickus-- Bid for MACRO, the sword killer
Kayus Whitus-- Bid for ARDENT, lawyer
Abeus Anxietus-- Bid for DURUS PIMPUS, sex slave dealer

Ironus Headus-- Bid for MAXIMUS MAXIMUS, legionnaire/BG
Passus Caglius-- Bid for VITUS AVIDUS, legionnaire/BG

This should be all that is necessary to control the services. I would like to set up backup options, but I am uncertain of this because we start to get to more suspicious people (IMO). CoffeeWarlord and path12, though, have to be committed, because they are on the same level as Ironhead and Passacaglia. Wemust also lock down what they bid on.

Thusly, they should bid on:

Coffeus Yakus Warlordus-- Bid for MACRO, the sword killer
Pathus Twelvus-- Bid for ARDENT, lawyer

Narcizo and I are in the next wealth group, so we should submit backup bids as well. I will bid for the sex slave dealer, if Narcizo will bid for one of the legionnaires/BGs.

I would welcome backup bid commitments from Autumn, Barkeep and Peregrine, but we have some people who have been questioned here, so not sure if we can count on them. If they wish to participate and help, then they should announce their bid and confirm the PM sent.

Now, does anyone see any issues with this plan?



Do I see issues? Yes. Let's say I'm the one getting the seer (and I'm not under your proposal, but the argument is malleable for any role they care about us not having). What's to stop the tarqs from killing me and slowing us down a day? Nothing. Hope that a legionnaire is used to protect me? Wouldn;t it have had to have been used yesterday on me in order to portect me today? So there is nothign we can do to keep them off me unless I was able to see ahead of time what I wanted and get protected by someone.

To recap, I bid on a legionaaire on Day X.

On Day X+1 I can put in a protection order.

On Day X+2, I am protected.

This is how it seems to be to me, although I've never had a BG, but that follows from other roles, bid on one day, win the following and submit an order, get he service the third day, that's how it worked for my sex slaves.

So, if I agree on Day X to place a bid for an important role, or even on Day X+1, then no one gets the benefit of that role if I am whacked. And you don;t have enough time to get a BG to clear me.

[Chief Rum]

First of all, I haven't been one of the top wealthy until yesterday. And I have used my powers for good, I've been one of the most open about what I've bought and what I've done with it since Day Two. I was the one to bring up what sex slaves do, for example.

I;m not posting at super high levels, but then again, I don;t always barring some serious notice my way early from the group or a very powerful role.

Besides, this is my 70th post in thread. You have 81. That;s not that big of a difference in terms of quiet vs loud.

Well, your posts haven't mademuch of an impression on me then. I'm sorry if you find that disagreeable, but that's the case. I'm not saying you (or any of the others) have done nothing. It's just that I can pin down what many have contributed. You are one of the ones whose contributions and steady analysis don't immediately come to mind, and as I know and respect your quality as a WW player, that stands out to me.

You are critical to the plan I outlined above. Are you in? Will you submit a bid for the sex slaves?

[Peregrine]

I'd be glad to put in a backup bid for whoever you'd like, CR. The bidding system seems like a good idea, though I'm not sure how much closer it will bring us to winning the game. The basic problem is we have nothing we can rely on, everything is potentially tainted. Even if we control the services, which is of course good, without a reliable role reveal we won't even know who we're executing.

[Chief Rum]

Do I see issues? Yes. Let's say I'm the one getting the seer (and I'm not under your proposal, but the argument is malleable for any role they care about us not having). What's to stop the tarqs from killing me and slowing us down a day? Nothing. Hope that a legionnaire is used to protect me? Wouldn;t it have had to have been used yesterday on me in order to portect me today? So there is nothign we can do to keep them off me unless I was able to see ahead of time what I wanted and get protected by someone.

To recap, I bid on a legionaaire on Day X.

On Day X+1 I can put in a protection order.

On Day X+2, I am protected.

This is how it seems to be to me, although I've never had a BG, but that follows from other roles, bid on one day, win the following and submit an order, get he service the third day, that's how it worked for my sex slaves.

So, if I agree on Day X to place a bid for an important role, or even on Day X+1, then no one gets the benefit of that role if I am whacked. And you don;t have enough time to get a BG to clear me.

If no one gets the benefit, that includes the Tarqs. It also proves (in death) that you are good, which narrows the pool for remaining Tarqs to hide in. And someone si going to die anyway from the wolves' poison. What makes you think, as someone of high wealth who is supposedly on the side of good, that you will not be a target anyway?

Everyone on this list is in danger. That much is obvious. But better that than just allow us to willynilly bid on services as we have been and watch us miss out continuously on information opportunities and losing second deaths to sword killers.

I have yet to hear a better plan.

[Chief Rum]

I'd be glad to put in a backup bid for whoever you'd like, CR. The bidding system seems like a good idea, though I'm not sure how much closer it will bring us to winning the game. The basic problem is we have nothing we can rely on, everything is potentially tainted. Even if we control the services, which is of course good, without a reliable role reveal we won't even know who we're executing.

Hopefully we can start to do that with the lawyers (seers) if we get control. We limit the rate with which we are dying by controlling the sword killer and bodyguards. And we stop plans to foil this by controlling the sex slave dealer.

This combined with two a day arrests and growing voting records will help us immensely in narrowing down our pool of Tarqs, IMO.

[Lorena]

I've been had one too many times in ww to be told what to do so I'm sorry if I don't go with the plan. All I can say is I have placed my bid and if I get it, I get it and if I don't, oh well.

If ya'll think I'm a Tarq for not going with the plan, the fucking arrsest my ass and get it the fuck over with. Sorry, but like I said earlier, I've been had once TOO MANY times to trust anyone that I have not scanned.

[Chief Rum]

I've been had one too many times in ww to be told what to do so I'm sorry if I don't go with the plan. All I can say is I have placed my bid and if I get it, I get it and if I don't, oh well.

If ya'll think I'm a Tarq for not going with the plan, the fucking arrsest my ass and get it the fuck over with. Sorry, but like I said earlier, I've been had once TOO MANY times to trust anyone that I have not scanned.

So you're not going to go with the plan because you don't trust anyone (and I assume me included since I came up with the plan)? Or because you don't like being told what to do?

I'm not holding a gun to anyone's head. I am just saying if you choose not to participate, I have to assume you're a Tarq. The only way out of that, IMO, is showing us a better plan or why this is no better than what we are already doing.

Anxiety went about it the right way. He pointed out a flaw. I have responded to that as best as I can. I don't think his point is valid enough, though, because the flaw he pointed out is only a limitation in the plan, and doesn't actually stop the positive results from that plan. And he didn't present a plan that was better. But the point is, I understand his reticence. We need both of you to participate to make it work.

I am struggling to undertsand why you, in the position you are in as a wealthy senator, would not want to help us by bidding on the sword killer.

You don't trust anyone. Fine. Do you trust yourself? I assume you do. So who better to have the most critical service? You don't have to like the plan or do anything about it. Just bid on the sword killer for yourself, because you know you're loyal, and if you have the sword killer, he can't be used to kill anyone else.

If you have a major flaw with my plan or a better plan, please present it. I am open to ideas. We have time to change up. That's the sort of challenge that will show you're trying to help us win. I don't have any issues with someone with a rational critique of this plan

If you're just turning this down to be stubborn or because you don't like to be told what to do, well, then, yes, I agree with you--I will push hard to arrest you and see you thrown off the first rock we find.

[Barkeep49]

I'd like to backup bid for Ardent, if that's ok. This seems like a great plan that CR has formulated and I am all for it. We need to control the actions of the game and this does it. I wish CR were available to be consul since this plan really thrusts him to the forefront of my trust list, despite his distrust of me.

[Barkeep49]

I'd also point out to Anxiety that it seems as though the deaths happen BEFORE the bid. So the Tarqs wouldn't have a reason to take you down as the backup bidder would win the service.

[Barkeep49]

I base that on the order of the posts cronin does (lawsuits, arrests, services).

[st.cronin]

I'd also point out to Anxiety that it seems as though the deaths happen BEFORE the bid. So the Tarqs wouldn't have a reason to take you down as the backup bidder would win the service.

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[Lorena]

Everyone so named needs to participate for it to work. If one of us doesn't do it, it fails. But if we all agree, and send in our PMs and confirm it, if anything goes awry the next day, we will know who "messed up" and who is likely a Tarq.

Really, unless you can come up with a betetr plan or sound reasoning for why this shouldn't work or isn't a good idea, I would expect any resistance to be evidence you are a Tarq and working against the Republic. Sorry to take the hard line, but at this point, we need someone to take control and ensure we get things done. I hope I will have backing in this.

Now, does anyone see any issues with this plan?

In case she messes up. And to get you to commit to whom you're bidding on. Would you rather bid on a useless horse owner?

Chief, how do you expect I react when you're basicly quoting what I said when I forgot to send my PM? Of course I'm pissed I wanted to know the allegiance of 1 person and I fucked it up. So because I fucked up does that mean I'm a Tarq? C'mon Chief, how many times have we played together and how many times have I missed a vote? With the exception of this game... none... zilch, NADA.

Now, does anyone see any issues with this plan?

I'll go along with this, but realize I disagree with your logic here. You're making it far too simplistic for the Tarqs to get a smidge of trust. They can kill at least 1 person a night at their leisure, we're trying to snuff out traitors with piss-poor information. Why WOULDN'T a Tarq just go along with this? They get free knowledge of who has what, and they still get their one kill.

Exactly what he said. I'm afraid that if I let it be known who I bid on, then I'll be a free target to get killed at night.

I like your idea Chief, I just don't know where your allegiance lies so I'm a little hesitant to go with it at this point.

[Ironhead]

Anxiety, you should have received a vistor last night. Any reason why you haven't posted anything about it yet?

[Barkeep49]

Chief, how do you expect I react when you're basicly quoting what I said when I forgot to send my PM? Of course I'm pissed I wanted to know the allegiance of 1 person and I fucked it up. So because I fucked up does that mean I'm a Tarq? C'mon Chief, how many times have we played together and how many times have I missed a vote? With the exception of this game... none... zilch, NADA.





Exactly what he said. I'm afraid that if I let it be known who I bid on, then I'll be a free target to get killed at night.

I like your idea Chief, I just don't know where your allegiance lies so I'm a little hesitant to go with it at this point.



Someone is going to die at the end of the day and take one for the team so that the rest of us may live. Yes it might be you, but it might be me. I mean why did they take out hoops? SnDvls? Even Alan seems of marginal value. The Tarqs seem to be operating on their own agenda. Perhaps they are limited in who they can kill? I dunno. But I do know that someone is going to have to take one for the team. The question is do we gain any benefit from that event or not?

[Chief Rum]

Chief, how do you expect I react when you're basicly quoting what I said when I forgot to send my PM? Of course I'm pissed I wanted to know the allegiance of 1 person and I fucked it up. So because I fucked up does that mean I'm a Tarq? C'mon Chief, how many times have we played together and how many times have I missed a vote? With the exception of this game... none... zilch, NADA.

I didn't quote what you said. Nothing I said was aimed at you directly. I responded the way I did to Coffee Warlord because he is your backup bid. It wasn't some criticque of your play, and I don't have any doubt you don't miss votes. You're an attentive and active player. This is a situation where you are reading something personal when, really, there is not. I don't know any other way to put it. If I was speaking with Narcizo about backing up Passacaglia on bodygaurds, I would have said "in case he messes up", see? It had nothing to do with you. It just happened that Coffee Warlord was assigned to be your backup, and he's the one that asked that question.

Backup bids are also important because they give us a point to move forward with, and, yes, because you could be killed. If you're killed, the backup gets the bid. And if the backup doesn't get th ebid, then we know someone above that person in the wealth chain is likely a Tarq, and did different htna what he said he would do. This gives us a much smaller pool of Tarq candidates.

Exactly what he said. I'm afraid that if I let it be known who I bid on, then I'll be a free target to get killed at night.

I like your idea Chief, I just don't know where your allegiance lies so I'm a little hesitant to go with it at this point.

As Barkeep pointed out, someone is going to die anyway at the deadline. The wolves will still poison someone, I guarantee it. I'm not even sure a bodyguard can stop that. The wealthy are targets anyway. It is very likely you, or Anxiety or KWhit will die bidding on these services. That's why we have backups.

But don't think you're alone. Do you think I don't have a target on my back? Do you not think the Tarqs are very much wishing now they had killed me a night ago and hoops a night before that? Ardent is still a strong target. Peregrine is the tribune. We will be voting in two new consuls who will also be targets. There are a lot of targets.

Mistrust me all you want. That is the nature of WW.

Just ask yourself this question, one I have already proposed to you. Who do you trust in this game? Only yourself, right? You are virtually guaranteed to get any service you want. The most critical service is the sword killer, don't you agree? In your opinion, who better to control the most critical service than you? If you don't do it for the plan, do it for yourself as a loyal Senator.

You may not trust me. But you do trust yourself.

[Abe Sargent]

If no one gets the benefit, that includes the Tarqs. It also proves (in death) that you are good, which narrows the pool for remaining Tarqs to hide in. And someone si going to die anyway from the wolves' poison. What makes you think, as someone of high wealth who is supposedly on the side of good, that you will not be a target anyway?

Everyone on this list is in danger. That much is obvious. But better that than just allow us to willynilly bid on services as we have been and watch us miss out continuously on information opportunities and losing second deaths to sword killers.

I have yet to hear a better plan.

Okay, let's do it today and today only, then if it works, we can keep it up, and if it fails, it fails. Fair enough?

[Lorena]

Chief, I trust Autumn and myself. I had AE scan Autumn on what... day 3 I think and there was no evidence of wrongdoing. My guess is he's either 100% clean, or he didn't do anything THAT DAY. I've never been a wolf so I don't know the mechanics of how night kills happen who gets assigned what or whatnot. This game is different so I don't know anything on how the Tarqs work either.

And BK you're right, someone has to take one for the team and if that's me, so be it.

Narc, you wanted someone to arrest, arrest me. I seem to have dropped in trust so if this is the only way to gain it back, then by all means do it. Actually, I'll be fairly dissapointed if I'm not.

[Abe Sargent]

Anxiety, you should have received a vistor last night. Any reason why you haven't posted anything about it yet?

Only pm I got from this morning's change over is telling me who I won on the market and what I can do with him. No one visited me.

[Grammaticus]

I'll go along with this, but realize I disagree with your logic here. You're making it far too simplistic for the Tarqs to get a smidge of trust. They can kill at least 1 person a night at their leisure, we're trying to snuff out traitors with piss-poor information. Why WOULDN'T a Tarq just go along with this? They get free knowledge of who has what, and they still get their one kill.

What is good about the plan is, it gives us some grounding information to build upon. If everyone bids as expected, we know who had the ability to do what and can analyze the results with better chances of getting a Tarq identified via analysis.

[Poli]

I am 90% sure that Ardent Enthusiast is a Tarq. I haven't received a single PM concerning the "identity" of dead people. Of course, I've always been a horrible analysis guy... so, there.


I'd normally ask you to place a friendly wager on something like this.

Instead, I'm simply going to quote this in every post I have from now on. You'll eat these words.

[Barkeep49]

What is good about the plan is, it gives us some grounding information to build upon. If everyone bids as expected, we know who had the ability to do what and can analyze the results with better chances of getting a Tarq identified via analysis.
I'm not sure that's true, but it should slow down the Tarqs at the very least. I mean we've now lost two goods due to the Tarqs gaining the swordsman.

[Poli]

incorrect
When's the next deadline?



I am 90% sure that Ardent Enthusiast is a Tarq. I haven't received a single PM concerning the "identity" of dead people. Of course, I've always been a horrible analysis guy... so, there.

[Grammaticus]

Backup bids are also important because they give us a point to move forward with, and, yes, because you could be killed. If you're killed, the backup gets the bid. And if the backup doesn't get th ebid, then we know someone above that person in the wealth chain is likely a Tarq, and did different htna what he said he would do. This gives us a much smaller pool of Tarq candidates.



As Barkeep pointed out, someone is going to die anyway at the deadline. The wolves will still poison someone, I guarantee it. I'm not even sure a bodyguard can stop that. The wealthy are targets anyway. It is very likely you, or Anxiety or KWhit will die bidding on these services. That's why we have backups.
How do you know this about the underlined part? I was thinking it would depend upon the order of events. I believe someone asked st.cronin if the lawsuits were run first (changing the wealth) or the bids. I think hoops asked the question and I believe that st.cronins answer was bids first and law suits apply wealth change after that. I also assumed the Tarq kills would go last as that is a standars WW mechanic. If that is the case the bids could happen first, the deaths. So if I win a bid on the sword killer and get killed by poison (we think Tarqs), then the swork killer may go unused for the day.

st.cronin, do the Tarq kills go before or after the bids are resolved?

[Grammaticus]

Chief, I trust Autumn and myself. I had AE scan Autumn on what... day 3 I think and there was no evidence of wrongdoing. My guess is he's either 100% clean, or he didn't do anything THAT DAY. I've never been a wolf so I don't know the mechanics of how night kills happen who gets assigned what or whatnot. This game is different so I don't know anything on how the Tarqs work either.

And BK you're right, someone has to take one for the team and if that's me, so be it.

Narc, you wanted someone to arrest, arrest me. I seem to have dropped in trust so if this is the only way to gain it back, then by all means do it. Actually, I'll be fairly dissapointed if I'm not.

DC, what kind of info so you get on a scan? Does it tell you the senator is Republican or Tarq? Does it say good guy or bad guy, etc?

[Lorena]

And BK you're right, someone has to take one for the team and if that's me, so be it.

Narc, you wanted someone to arrest, arrest me. I seem to have dropped in trust so if this is the only way to gain it back, then by all means do it. Actually, I'll be fairly dissapointed if I'm not.

I didn't finish the point I was trying to make. If the top wealthy and the counsel are or the Republic, then the wealthy should be arrested, hire a laywer to prove their innocence and if they're innocent great and if they're not then we got a Tarq.

[st.cronin]

The order of events is, the services are awarded first (although the pms do not go out until the other stuff is processed). Then comes the other stuff, jail, lynch, kills, etc. The bids do not get re-awarded if the person awarded the bids gets killed.

[Grammaticus]

I'm not sure that's true, but it should slow down the Tarqs at the very least. I mean we've now lost two goods due to the Tarqs gaining the swordsman.

See, I don't know if this is entirely true. I don't know if the Tarqs made two sword kills or a Republican made one or both and does not want to fess up.

[Grammaticus]

Regarding the votes for rock diving, is Chubby playing?

[Abe Sargent]

CR, a response in light of this info?

[Abe Sargent]

I have received a pm from stcronin stating that he forgot to send me a night action pm. Bulbus Senna visited me last night and was rather boring. He wanted to talk politics of Rome and is writing some sort of text.

[Poli]

Chubby checked in earlier.



I am 90% sure that Ardent Enthusiast is a Tarq. I haven't received a single PM concerning the "identity" of dead people. Of course, I've always been a horrible analysis guy... so, there.

[st.cronin]

When's the next deadline?

quoted for absurdity

[Poli]

Nevermind. Your taunting knows no end, cronin.



I am 90% sure that Ardent Enthusiast is a Tarq. I haven't received a single PM concerning the "identity" of dead people. Of course, I've always been a horrible analysis guy... so, there.

[Lorena]

DC, what kind of info so you get on a scan? Does it tell you the senator is Republican or Tarq? Does it say good guy or bad guy, etc?

Unfortunately no allegiance, only that there was no evidence of wrongdoing... that's it.

[Lorena]

Narc, you wanted someone to arrest, arrest me. I seem to have dropped in trust so if this is the only way to gain it back, then by all means do it. Actually, I'll be fairly dissapointed if I'm not.

I didn't finish the point I was trying to make. If the top wealthy and the counsel are or the Republic, then the wealthy should be arrested, hire a laywer to prove their innocence and if they're innocent great and if they're not then we got a Tarq.

Ehh... Grammaticus, Anxiety and Ardent skipped over this. I don't see why the wealthiest or counsel wouldn't go with this idea. I am willing to go to jail to prove my innocence, why not anyone else? Once my innocence is proven, then I will no longer bid for Ardent or whoever else becomes lawyer, so the other wealthy can bid for him and prove their innocence. If the counsel doesn't go with this, then I will have to doubt his allegiance to the Republic.

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[Chief Rum]

CR, a response in light of this info?

If you're talking about st. cronin's order of process, then I go back to my original point. At least a Tarq doesn't get it.

[Poli]

Hey, good point, DC. Might brave of you, I might add.

[Chief Rum]

Ehh... Grammaticus, Anxiety and Ardent skipped over this. I don't see why the wealthiest or counsel wouldn't go with this idea. I am willing to go to jail to prove my innocence, why not anyone else? Once my innocence is proven, then I will no longer bid for Ardent or whoever else becomes lawyer, so the other wealthy can bid for him and prove their innocence. If the counsel doesn't go with this, then I will have to doubt his allegiance to the Republic.

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The problem I have with that is how long it takes and how many variables there are. My plan has one variable for the rich--will they get killed before they use their service? They will pretty much get what they bid for and use it the next day. And the wolves can't kill everyone who hires a critical service. They would have to pick and choose. And doing so leaves out lawyers, consuls, tribunes and high profile analysis people like myself as targets, too. And the plan guarantees the wolves don't get the sword killer, short of a Tarq being involved in the process (and thus revealing themselves).

This plan of arresting the wealthy and scanning them, wastes a day with an arrest for the good, and the Tarq numbers are too small in relation to justify the one in five times we nab a Tarq (and that also assumes a Tarq qould go along with it, which I am guessing they wouldn't). First you would have to arrest them. Then you have to scan them AND re-arrest them because you won't get the scan results before they have to be voted on. Then one in five chances you have a Tarq, and the second day's vote is easy, but more likely you have a good Senator taking up a jail spot. Oh yeah, and for two days they can't help get services. And even if you get the scan, the person buying the service and doing the scan has to be believed to be loyal as well.

[Barkeep49]

And we've seen that there are several ways to disrupt a scan between the sex slaves sent at ardent and the arresting of Neon.

[Barkeep49]

Oh and btw if I'm never seen or heard from again, tell the police that hoopsguy did it :)

[hoopsguy]

I don't know what in the world you are talking about, Barkeep :eek::cool:

[Ironhead]

My Top Suspects Right Now

Dodgerchick - She has been numero uno suspect for me from Day 2. With the exception of the night she sent the sex slaves at me, which I would point out is the only night I have been prevented from obtaining a service that would help the village, her other service wins are not verifiable. I find it curious that the day after she claims AlanT is good through a scan he gets poisoned. AlanT always provides very good analysis, but he wasn't going to be winning any service any time soon. It struck me almost as a "See, Dodgerchick was telling the truth!" kinda deal, but as a wolf she knows who is good and bad anyway.

Considering that she is the richest person in Rome her utter and complete refusal to aid the village is frustrating and damning to me. EVEN IF she didn't want to follow other people's advice on what service would be best to bid on, it seems clear to me that the best way to aid the village is to prevent a daily freaking kill. Also, given that it is so clear the power she wields with her wealth why is she still alive? Surely the wolves know that she could have any service she wants on a given day. I think at this point she would be their main target but yet she is still quite alive.
Chubby/LonestarGirl - Strong hunch. I provided an analysis last night regarding Chubby and Passus. After reviewing Passus' most recent posts I feel better about him, and am leaning towards executing Chubby tonight.
Neon Chaos - Quiet as a mouse until he became 2nd best lawyer yesterday. Has posted much more in the past day, but has yet to provide a single bit of real useful analysis. Claims to have read 25 pages of completely useless information at one point - doesn't comment at all on it and just votes without real explanation. (post #1250) Also tried to vote Dodgerchick as Consul the other day, of who I am very suspicious.



Strong Distrust

Daddytorgo
Ardent

These two have made it here just from what I can observe of their interactions with other players. At one point on Thursday at DaddyTorgo came on and posted at 5:56 PM that he had been out all day and "wondered what he had missed". 4 minutes later he has elected Hoopsguy as Consul, and two more minutes later he voted Narcizo as Consul. I feel good about both of those players, but damn...6 minutes to catch up and feel good enough about who you are going to put in power? This starts on post #1341 for anyone that wants to check.

Ardent just seems to be babbling to me, and in general clogging the thread up. I found it strange this morning that I once again questioned why the top players weren't targeting the service that would best aid the village. He then peppered of like 6 posts in a row until the thread hit the next page. All of his thoughts could have easily fit into one post. Almost felt like he was trying to bury my post.

One player that I am finally starting to feel good about is Coffee Warlord. When I was taking a look at him I realized something regarding his use of the lawyer when he was arrested.


Sorry, I forgot to elaborate on this. The reason there was only recorded vote for Yakus was the impassioned defense put on by Swaggus Swaggus. He was able to change 3 Senators' minds, out of 4 preliminary votes.

From the Rules:
- to defend yourself from an accusation of treason (this will be more effective if the player is, in fact, innocent)

Would the lawyers really give an impassioned defense of a man they knew was guilty, and change 75% of the votes against him?

[DaddyTorgo]

so I havn't read it all...but it stands to reason that we should proceed like this I think:

top wealth person bids on the 2nd BG to protect the 2nd person
2nd person bids on the killer to direct them to kill someone
3rd person bids on the BG to protect the first person

given this yes, we could lose the 3rd person, so the person in the 2nd level of wealth that we trust ought to sue all the more poor people in order to move up to the 3rd place everyday.

[DaddyTorgo]

ironhead: I agree with you about dodger. it's very weird she's done nothing.

as for my quick votes: everyone who has played with me in the past knows that I think Narcizio is a kickass villager. So when I saw he had votes for consul, that was pretty much a given that I'd vote for him.

And I don't have a strong distrust of hoops in this game, indeed from the very beginning I have agreed with him on strategies that have been beneficial to the village to follow, so a vote for him was slightly more thought than the narcizio one, but not one I really needed to think on.

the whole "lawyers+wealth+jail" thing has just completely tossed all my analyzing out the window

[Poli]

Ardent

Ardent just seems to be babbling to me, and in general clogging the thread up. I found it strange this morning that I once again questioned why the top players weren't targeting the service that would best aid the village. He then peppered of like 6 posts in a row until the thread hit the next page. All of his thoughts could have easily fit into one post. Almost felt like he was trying to bury my post.



Have it your and Neon's way. I won't post again in this thread until tomorrow.



I am 90% sure that Ardent Enthusiast is a Tarq. I haven't received a single PM concerning the "identity" of dead people. Of course, I've always been a horrible analysis guy... so, there.

[Poli]

Spiteful dola:

This time tomorrow, heck, let's make it Monday.



I am 90% sure that Ardent Enthusiast is a Tarq. I haven't received a single PM concerning the "identity" of dead people. Of course, I've always been a horrible analysis guy... so, there.

[DaddyTorgo]

so let's lynch ardent and then if neon is lying we lynch him. Either way, one of them is lying.

[Poli]

In this thread, AE can make all the comments he wants, without cluttering up the actual thread.

[Abe Sargent]

Neon_Chaos has bene pinging my radar all game long. I have no porblem voting for him.


Vote to "bump" Neon_Chaos

[Poli]

1. I am loyal to the Republic, and I was the 2nd best lawyer in Rome, according to St. Cronin.

2. Neon Chaos doesn't know jack. No clue = Neon Chaos.

3. Neither does ironhead. Ironhead, you're an iron head that is full of himself.

4. CR has done some good analysis.

5. Day 1, I bid on an ex-legionaire (name to be filled in when I look it up). I got him. I decided to protect myself.
Day 2: CW goes to jail. He's the only one. Swaggs is alive. Day 2 ends with CW freed, Swaggs dead. BulletSponge on the block. I tried, but failed, to hire the slaves.
Day 3: I am the new best lawyer. Schmidty is the #2. Ends with BS off the rock. I am the first to report that BS was good. It was later verified by Schmidty. ITC goes on the block. I tried again, to hire the slaves, and failed.
Day 4: Schmidty dies by the Tarqs. ITC goes on the rocks. Neon becomes the new lawyer. LSG goes on the block. I hired the horseguy Oceanus. I send a message to Hoops, but hoops dies before he gets it.
Day 5: LSG gets replaced by Chubby, but we still haven't heard much from him. LSG/Chubby get the pass. Neon and Chubby go to jail. I try to hire a legionaire, but end up with the male and female sex slaves at my door. While you might think life is grand, I grow tired of the people accusing me of trying to hide behind uninformative posts when in fact, DUH, I'm just bored.

6. I HAVE NEVER LIED IN THIS GAME. I HAVE NOT LIED IN THIS THREAD, EITHER.

7. I can't wait to sue EVERYONE. I'm hoping for some good info. Good thing that the lawsuits are heard before I could potentially go to jail.

8. Despite their questioning, I still feel Kwhit and CW are on the good side. I feel moderately the same about Barkeep and Narcizo. I also think highly of Autumn.

9. Here are how I feel about everyone left in this game (copied from the wealth page):
Abeus Anxietus - Not sure, and that worries me.
Dodgeus Erchickus - Good vibrations. The explosion actually reminds me of me.
Kayus Whitus - Good vibrations. At least he put in arrests.

Coffeus Yakus Warlordus - Good vibrations. I liked early on how he seemed to question without abandon, but I don't think I've seen that as of late.
Ironus Headus - No clue. As in, I think he might be bad. I went back to see what crucial info he put out, and it was that he hired someone. Meh, followed by my vote for Consul and other posts by myself that weren't exactly filler, and I'd post again if need be.
Passus Caglius - Replacement player, pretty honest and I like that.
Pathus Twelvus - Still weary of him.

Autumnus Leavus - Seems to be very knowledgable. I like him.
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus - I liked his reasoning for why his arrests weren't made. Not sure I like anything else.
Chiefus Rumus - Good info put out, and is kind of in the same boat with me. Not sure why the wolves haven't killed him yet.
Narcizus Lispus - Not sure how I feel about the Consul right now. At least he put in an arrest...and I like that he arrested Neon.
Peregrinus Barbarus - Not sure how I feel about him.

Chubbus Chubbus - LSG/Chubby. Not a fan of this disappearing act.
Daddyus Torgous - I noticed he went in right after me and suggested that I get thrown off the rock. Another a reference to me maybe having a chance to decide something. Get your head out of your butt. Listen to what I'm saying. I'm getting a strong Tarq feeling from him.
Grammus Atticus - No feel on him, kind of worries me. Reviewed all of his posts, not sure there's anything there.
Mustangus Sallus - No feel on him.
Neonus Chaosus - 90% sure I'm bad. Ha.
Tyrus Ithus - Same as path.

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This post will be edited, since I can edit anything I want in my own thread. I will add more notes as I can. Currently I am watching television and will add notes as I think of them and during commercials. Given the current time, I may have to add some tomorrow.

[Poli]

This is more fun than I could imagine. :)

[Tyrith]

The problem I have with that is how long it takes and how many variables there are. My plan has one variable for the rich--will they get killed before they use their service? They will pretty much get what they bid for and use it the next day. And the wolves can't kill everyone who hires a critical service. They would have to pick and choose. And doing so leaves out lawyers, consuls, tribunes and high profile analysis people like myself as targets, too. And the plan guarantees the wolves don't get the sword killer, short of a Tarq being involved in the process (and thus revealing themselves).

This plan of arresting the wealthy and scanning them, wastes a day with an arrest for the good, and the Tarq numbers are too small in relation to justify the one in five times we nab a Tarq (and that also assumes a Tarq qould go along with it, which I am guessing they wouldn't). First you would have to arrest them. Then you have to scan them AND re-arrest them because you won't get the scan results before they have to be voted on. Then one in five chances you have a Tarq, and the second day's vote is easy, but more likely you have a good Senator taking up a jail spot. Oh yeah, and for two days they can't help get services. And even if you get the scan, the person buying the service and doing the scan has to be believed to be loyal as well.

I was more or less going to argue this same thing when I read DC's post, but CR did it much better than I did, so I'll just show it again.

[KWhit]

The problem I have with CR's plan is that it lets the Tarqs know exactly who has the Bodyguards. I don't particularly like that idea because I know that I am a prime target and the only reason I haven't been killed so far is the fact that I have $$ and therefore the Tarqs think I likely have a BG.

[Tyrith]

My general take on some people now, with me actually having a few more feelings now -

DC - That one post I talked about just previously makes me really feel bad about her. I haven't really gotten a good vibe from her at any point of the game, and I think we need to do something with her to determine her allegiance because her various scan things create some linkages we can actually work with. General unwillingness to cooperate seems like it's not going to help us too much. Probably the non-arrested person spiking the most alarms for me right now.

CR - Another person really important to our plan right now. I like your services plan, because it gets us all on one page at least, not letting the key services slip down. And if you yourself are bad it only really hurts us if one of the top wealth players are bad...and boom, you've created linkage that we can use to track down the rest of your team. However, what do we do if DC doesn't play ball? What's the backup plan for the swordsman?

Anxiety - The real unknown quantity so far. If he's bad, does he screw around with the plan tonight? This is where the number of wolves we have to deal with, or what they're trying to do, comes to mind. If there are 5 wolves out there and they have a standard win condition, they will probably need to off 10 more of us at least, because I don't see how we don't catch one in the resulting mess. That means we're still looking at four more days. At this point it doesn't seem worth it to me for Anxiety to play for hiring the swordsman and going murderface on us, even if it would take us quite a while to react due to the nature of the game. However, the potential for weirdness is still there.

Neon - While I somewhat agree with your assessment of the game as a whole, your analysis of the situation just doesn't make me happy, you haven't done anything to give me a good vibe and a couple of things to give me a bad one. Have a nice trip down...and if you're good...well, um...oops?

VOTE EXECUTE NEON CHAOS

BK mentioned earlier that CR is ineligible for consul -- is this true? If so, I would like to vote for him. Other guys I'd likely consider are KWhit (although that's a big target on his back then) because, at this point, if KWhit is bad we have many other problems, and Ironhead and Autumn because they've both been proving useful information and don't really have any doubts cast on them. I'd like to note though, and this goes as part of the KWhit thing, we probably don't want to elect consuls that are also among the highest wealth players if we can help it. Concentrating our trust and our money into a single, easily poisoned body just adds complications to what we are doing.

[Tyrith]

The problem I have with CR's plan is that it lets the Tarqs know exactly who has the Bodyguards. I don't particularly like that idea because I know that I am a prime target and the only reason I haven't been killed so far is the fact that I have $$ and therefore the Tarqs think I likely have a BG.

That is a bit of a problem...but at some point, we're going to have to take some risks and weigh some sacrifices. At this point, you're the player in the game I'd least like to see dead. However, we have to weigh that it's possible that you're already going to die today, and how bad it is if we screw up the swordsman and the sex slaves, and all that other stuff. We might have to choose between keeping the safety factor up and trying to make sure we take that other kill off the table. Now, I'm in a position to be caution to the wind here, so my perspective is a little different, and I understand your point, but leaving some people exposed could be better than the alternative choice of running into each other's bids.

No matter what I feel we HAVE to have SOME kind of coordination today. There's just too much of a need to have the sword killer, ardent, and ardent's new harem under our control all at once to not do it.

BTW, I'll probably bid for a horse guy again, just in case :)

[KWhit]

I understand the benefits, but I don't like telegraphing our moves this way. Makes it too easy for a Tarq to at least get one valuable kill.

I don't have a better option at this point, though, so I'm not sure of the best course of action. I need to give this some more thought.

[Tyrith]

I understand the benefits, but I don't like telegraphing our moves this way. Makes it too easy for a Tarq to at least get one valuable kill.

I don't have a better option at this point, though, so I'm not sure of the best course of action. I need to give this some more thought.

It's definitely a value judgment comparing whether or not we should leave open some obvious gaps or take our chances with a more randomized approach. Personally, I'm not really convinced that the difference between a valuable kill and an less valuable kill is such that it means we shouldn't go with the plan, but I'm not a likely target, so I can say such things.

[Poli]

Updated. Probably for the last time tonight. I can't wait for the lawsuits to hit.

[st.cronin]

When is the next deadline again?

[Poli]

Very funny, hater.

[Abe Sargent]

It's the Tyrith-Kwhit show! :)

[Tyrith]

It's the Tyrith-Kwhit show! :)

Hey, at least I'm talking. For the first time all game I feel like I have at least a little to contribute.

[Lorena]

What the fucking shit, if you guys don't trust me, FUCKING GET THIS SHIT OVER WITH AND ARREST ME! How much fucking clear is that?

Narcizo, goddammit, if you're of the village, arrest me so I can prove to these people, whom I'm starting to really feel are wolves that I'm fucking clean... clean as... fucking... something I dunno.

Just fucking do it, if you don't then I will have doubts of your allegiance. Do it goddamit... fucking do it.

[Lorena]

Here are my smilies so you know I'm upset :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Tyrith]

Hrm. This is either quite honest or incredibly brilliant. And if it's brilliant, it's sure as heck burning down a bridge.

[Lorena]

ironhead: I agree with you about dodger. it's very weird she's done nothing.

as for my quick votes: everyone who has played with me in the past knows that I think Narcizio is a kickass villager. So when I saw he had votes for consul, that was pretty much a given that I'd vote for him.

And I don't have a strong distrust of hoops in this game, indeed from the very beginning I have agreed with him on strategies that have been beneficial to the village to follow, so a vote for him was slightly more thought than the narcizio one, but not one I really needed to think on.

the whole "lawyers+wealth+jail" thing has just completely tossed all my analyzing out the window

You guys aren't reading shit... I fucking told you who I scanned and why... it's obviously going on deaf ears. I've never had this kind of power and I'm fucking clueless on how to use it. fuck, i should have been a regular villager. Goddamit :mad::mad:

[Grammaticus]

You guys aren't reading shit... I fucking told you who I scanned and why... it's obviously going on deaf ears. I've never had this kind of power and I'm fucking clueless on how to use it. fuck, i should have been a regular villager. Goddamit :mad::mad:

Listen, I understand the frustration thing. My concern is around the concept of a scan. If you get a "no evidence of wrondoing" that is not good enough to say, that person is Republican and not Tarq.

It could be that person did not take an action that was against the village. It sounds like a combination of a Seer and Witness ability. Which makes some sense in the fact that there are generally two lawyers available each day. I doubt we get two straight up witness scans to what appears to be a wolf kill each day.

So, when you use a lawyer to check someone out and get no evidence of wrongoing, you likely did not scan someone taking an action or you have a chance of success based on the lawyer??

Either way the scans appear to be quite valuable.

[Neon_Chaos]

I'd normally ask you to place a friendly wager on something like this.

Instead, I'm simply going to quote this in every post I have from now on. You'll eat these words.

Lol. :D

As I said, I'm horrible with analysis.

[Neon_Chaos]

2. Neon Chaos doesn't know jack. No clue = Neon Chaos.


This statement is, unfortunately, so true. :)

[Passacaglia]

Yo, people, lighten up. It's just a game.

[Chief Rum]

What the fucking shit, if you guys don't trust me, FUCKING GET THIS SHIT OVER WITH AND ARREST ME! How much fucking clear is that?

Narcizo, goddammit, if you're of the village, arrest me so I can prove to these people, whom I'm starting to really feel are wolves that I'm fucking clean... clean as... fucking... something I dunno.

Just fucking do it, if you don't then I will have doubts of your allegiance. Do it goddamit... fucking do it.

DC, I don't know what the issue is, why you are reacting so strongly, but if this is how you feel you need to react to this, then let it loose. I don't miond someone getting emotional in a game like this, which can certainly fry the nerves.

So long as you make the right decision here. And I want you to feel you are making the right decision, not that you are being led to it. I know you can make these connections and see what is good for the village, but I also know (for me at least) that when a person lets emotion get the best of them, it's hard to think things through and make a well-reasoned decision.

Did you have a chance to go over my responses earlier today? It's not only in the best interest of the plan and the village for you to bid on the sword killer, it's also in your best interest. No one is telling you who to use the sword killer on. No one is asking you to trust anyone but yourself. If you believe the best way to keep loyal Senators alive is to put the sword killer in the hands of someone you trust, who better than yourself, whom you trust completely? You have the power to lock this role down for the village. There are only two others who can even dream of taking that away from you, and neither of them have been in the top wealth teir like you have the whole game.

I hope you will make the right decision because I won't be around to prod you for one tomorrow. I will be working at my night job and likely workijng out and/or sleeping most of the day Sunday. So this deadline is going to go down without me. It will be up to you. If you're on our side, I hope you'll see it our way.

[Abe Sargent]

I love you CR

[Chief Rum]

BK mentioned earlier that CR is ineligible for consul -- is this true? If so, I would like to vote for him. Other guys I'd likely consider are KWhit (although that's a big target on his back then) because, at this point, if KWhit is bad we have many other problems, and Ironhead and Autumn because they've both been proving useful information and don't really have any doubts cast on them. I'd like to note though, and this goes as part of the KWhit thing, we probably don't want to elect consuls that are also among the highest wealth players if we can help it. Concentrating our trust and our money into a single, easily poisoned body just adds complications to what we are doing.

Thanks for the support, Tyrith. Actually, I am not ineligible for the consul role, but I have taken myself out of the bidding. I am working both of my jobs on Monday and Tuesday (meaning I am incognito from around 10 a.m. to 1 a.m.--i.e., the next morning) and that's if I don't work out--and I almost certainly will (add on another hour at least). I don't think it's in the best interest of the village for me to take ont he consul role with me being out for that long. Plus, let's face it, I will very likely be dead soon.

My small group of candidates for consul currently are Ironhead, Autumn, Passacaglia, and Grammaticus.

I agree we should not allow DC, KWhit and Anxiety into the consul roles. We must vary the targets for the Tarqs to go after so they can't hurt us doubly with one kill (as you mention).

[Chief Rum]

I love you CR

So you have said before. And yet you refuse to cuddle.

[Chief Rum]

Our plan is at risk because the top tier of our wealth system continues to delay joining with us. I have already said how I am reading this. There could be many reasons why the resistance, but the main one is this--they aren't with us at all. It would certainly explain why we have had problems hiring services.

But it's my hope they are only either misguided or overly suspicious of me or just not liking (understandably) that they might be targets going for these roles publically.

So in that light, I would ask Barkeep and Peregrine (whom have both offered to submit bids) to offer backup bids for KWhit (ardent lawyer) and Anxiety (Durus Pimpus sex slave dealer). Coffee Warlord has already backed up the sword killer bid that DC would make. If we are assured of making these bids, we know at least that if we do not get it, someone above you in the wealth chain has bid for them (and should a kill happen, obviously be a Tarq). This request can also be made of Autumn who is on the same wealth level, although we haven't heard from him yet today.

Anyone who does not puiblically state a bid here who is in a position to help the village, really, we have to consider them enemies of the state, and I would highly recommend we arrest them at all costs.

Narcizo and Peregrine, you both control the arrests for tomorrow. I would highly recommend arresting any high wealth member who refuses to help without very good reason. I am hoping both DC and KWhit will see what we're trying to get at here. I don't hold much help on Anxiety at the moment, unfortunately, as he has not shown any willingness to budge on this.

Too many people are thinking of themselves, I fear. If the side of good wins, but you die, do you win? I say you do. Or maybe it's just they want to keep playing. Or they think they aren't already high-profile targets (they can control services, of course they're high-profile targets) outside of this plan.

I am willing to sacrifice myself for the good of the Senate, and perhaps I have by putting this plan out. But I know what they risk personally is greater. But what good is there in living to lose? I don't know if people feel they still win if they die and good wins, but for sure, if they live and good dies, they lose.

And that is a big if in dying. I have alreayd pointed out numerous times, not only are there three top wealthy players. There are also consuls, a tribune, a lawyer and myself. There are a lot of targets. The plan limits the Tarqs to at best one per day. You could commit to this plan, the wolves always choose to target this group, and still live seven days from now--and trust me, this game won't last that long.

[Chief Rum]

lol ardent.

I, too, never lied in the Big City game where I was the sports gambler (and said so numerous times). They still killed me. Sad, huh?

[Narcizo]

Sorry I didn't jump in on CR's plan yesterday but I had very little time and I wanted to digest it. And to be honest I'm surprised that people are having a problem with it. Is it better to continue muddling on in the current fashion? Arresting and executing based on hunches and feelings (Again, I'm as guilty as the next person) This is a solid, concrete plan that could really help us nail down the services. So one person is going to die - one person is going to die anyway. At least one person has already died each day while we've blundered along achieving very little. There's still the threat of two bodyguards. To be honest my only misgiving with CR's plan is that it appears to be too good to be true. It looks like the bad guys can be completely locked down. So that definitely gives me pause for thought. There's a chance that cronin didn't think of this but I doubt it.

But as CR has pointed out, it requires the richest people to get on board. I've always suspected that we have a traitor in the upper wealth bracket so I am very suspicious of anyone rich who doesn't want to take part. It seems that that includes the top three people.

[Narcizo]

In my mind my thoughts on Neon and Coffee aren't supremely important right at the moment. But I'll gather my notes together in a bit and try to make my case. To be honest it looks, for better or for worse, like Neon is for the jump anyway so I don't honestly know if I can be bothered presenting my case against him.

Again, failure to vote today (Neon/Chubby/acquit) should result in an arrest tomorrow.

I don't want to be seen to be abusing my position but I am leaning heavily towards arresting any rich person who is unwilling to go along with CR's plan. Chief Rum is probably the person I trust the most at the moment. His arguments have been spot on (and I suspect he was even correct about there being a wolf among the five he mentioned, although we'll never know now - thanks Mustang).

Incidentally has anyone worked out how the hell Mustang got the services of the swordsman. Isn't he super-poor? If anything though this actually means I trust him, although I wish he hadn't done what he did. If he was a wolf he would have just made a kill and not said anything about it.

Anyway, my daughter is waking up. Time to go.

[Poli]

Thanks, fellas. I'm just doing my part to keep the real thread cleaned up. I mouthed off a bit, and realized not posting ANYTHING is probably worse than posting too much, regardless of what a few people think.

Meh, I still can't believe ironhead would think I would be trying to keep people from reading his stuff. The only thing I can remember him posting was that he was looking at houses around noon.

Anyhow, this allows me to post whatever I want during the day while I'm bored, and keeps my useless posting out of the real thread.

[Poli]

Whew. I nearly posted in the other thread!

Maybe DC just had a bit too much to drink last night?

[Narcizo]

Whew! A 4-hour DOLA. Is that a record?

My "analysis" of Neon is, to be frank, not really worthy of the name.

I've got wolfy vibes off of him from the start. Stuff like "methinks st.cronin rushed out the game too early" and the business of voting for an illegible consul. Sure it's a confusing game I've made mistakes interpreting things in the game (I thought we could only vote once on consul, for example). But still, it seemed like a good way to avoid committing to a vote.

Basically it boils down to him coming in with with a few posts to keep his post count ticking along without actually saying anything. And then he accuses AE of, basically, doing the same thing as himself, only on a far grander scale.

And then when I decided to push him on the matter he seemed to go very defensive about it. Shurg. To be honest this isn't one of my best pieces of work. He gave me a hinky vibe and pushed himself into being one of the top candidates by his defensive response to me. I wanted to get the lawyers checked out and figured getting someone to scan him with AE was the way forward.

My main beef with LSG was that she's rich and I believe there's a rich wolf out there. However I now think there's better candidates for the rich wolf position. I think having Neon as a lawyer is just going to be far too compromised. On current form, how long is it going to take before we can get our act together enough to scan him? I'm hoping for a more trustworthy lawyer next time. So I'm going to,

Vote thwow Neon fwom the wock

I've just realised that I've been missing out on the opportunity to say that.

[Narcizo]

Uh, 'cause noone has said we got a Tarq?

Firstly sorry to cut and run after having asked you a question CW. It was very rude. I had been intending to go but I just saw your post and felt that I had to react to it. I'd been formulating an idea that you were a wolf but I have to say that your reaction to Chief Rum's plan has given me pause for thought. I concur that I might be missing something but from where I'm sitting I think the wolves would be very opposed to the plan. You were the first one to accept it and that means I want to give you the benefit of the doubt.

I might as well explain myself now. My suspicion of you, apart from the, you-know, "off-handedly killing one of the key roles in the game" business ;) was the killing of Swaggs. To recap, the order to kill Swaggs came before anyone understood the full ability of the lawyer. This is why I was baffled about why anyone would kill Swaggs. He certainly hadn't put forward any arguments against someone and he wasn't wealthy. At the time I think the only sense I could make of it was that it was Ardent, who somehow knew more about the role than he was letting on. Or that someone else knew about the role. However what I was missing was that there are definitely two people who did know what the lawyer could do. Dodgerchick and yourself.

I've got to say that Dodgerchick's reaction to Chief's plan and my belief that there is a rich wolf means that I'm leaning very heavily towards acceding to her wishes and arresting her. There have been a few things that struck me as unwolfy about here (clearing Autumn, who ranks just under Chief in my trust list for one), which is why I was starting to concentrate on you rather than her but recent events have changed my mind about that.

[Narcizo]

Given that my two candidates for consul would be Chief and Autumn. Chief doesn't want to be voted in. So I'll

Vote Autumn for Consul

And hold off with the other vote for now.

[Poli]

Vote Autumn for Consul

[Passacaglia]

Who put Chubbus back in jail? Sorry if I missed it. Anyway, given a choice between the two, Neon was suspicious to me, and I am still willing to give Chubbus the benefit of the doubt a little more, since he has a lot to catch up on.

Vote Neon Chaos

And since I've been nominated for Consul, or at least suggested, I'll put my name in.

Vote Passacaglia for Consul

[Passacaglia]

Wait...the Chubbus re-jail was a 40-pointer, right? I remember now.

[Narcizo]

I forgot.

Bid sent for Maximus Maximus.

[Poli]

Updated, with how I feel currently about the current players. I will review posts of the current players to see if I get a different feeling about any of them.

[Poli]

Primer:

With two Senators jailed, the rules are slightly different. Whichever Senator gets a majority of the votes to execute, will be executed. Everybody must vote to execute one of the players in jail - failure to cast a vote will be considered an abstention.

So, what's the penalty for this abstention?

[hoopsguy]

Quit cluttering up the board with your threads :rolleyes: :p

[Poli]

Nice. :)

[Peregrine]

I've stated my suspicions of Neon before.

vote execute Neon Chaos

Backup bid for Anxiety sent in as requested.

[Lorena]

I've got to say that Dodgerchick's reaction to Chief's plan and my belief that there is a rich wolf means that I'm leaning very heavily towards acceding to her wishes and arresting her. There have been a few things that struck me as unwolfy about here (clearing Autumn, who ranks just under Chief in my trust list for one), which is why I was starting to concentrate on you rather than her but recent events have changed my mind about that.

Please do I'd appreciate that. Actually, I'm actually a little shocked I haven't been sent to jail, why do ya'll think I've been hiring Ardent? I've been WAITING to get arrested.

Once my innocence has been proven then I have no problem following Chief's plan... no problem at all.

I'm gonna be super busy today so I'm gonna:

vote chubby innocent
vote neon chaos guilty

vote autumn for counsel
vote dodgerchick for counsel

I trust myself obviously, and if my scan of autumn was correct, then I'll go with it and assume him to be of the Republic.

I sent my PM yesterday and hope I have it locked down. I'll be awaiting to get arrested with hands behind my back.

[Grammaticus]

I'm not sure about Neonus Chaosus. I agree the "don't waste a scan on me" thing is not right, but doesn't sound like something a Tarq would say.

The Chubby/LSG thing is a problem for me. They have not said much or weighed in on anything. Chubby still only has one post. I hate replacement of players as it really clouds the waters (even though it is necessary sometimes). But between the two, I am going to say throw the totally invisible wonder twins off the rock

VOTE TO TOSS CHUBBY / LSG FROM TO THE ROCKUS

I would have expected some posts from chubbus by now. I would rather be confronted with Neonus late in the game and have something to evaluate than chubbus and have nothing.

[Grammaticus]

If we go with the CR plan of some version of it, is there any value in my placing a backup bid to the backup bids?

[Grammaticus]

dola,

I know Mustangus got a key role as a poorer senator. It seems to make sense that we target everyone's bid. That way when a Tarq does not follow the process, we can start back tracking to where the breakdown occurred.

[Neon_Chaos]

Whew! A 4-hour DOLA. Is that a record?

My "analysis" of Neon is, to be frank, not really worthy of the name.

I've got wolfy vibes off of him from the start. Stuff like "methinks st.cronin rushed out the game too early" and the business of voting for an illegible consul. Sure it's a confusing game I've made mistakes interpreting things in the game (I thought we could only vote once on consul, for example). But still, it seemed like a good way to avoid committing to a vote.

Basically it boils down to him coming in with with a few posts to keep his post count ticking along without actually saying anything. And then he accuses AE of, basically, doing the same thing as himself, only on a far grander scale.

And then when I decided to push him on the matter he seemed to go very defensive about it. Shurg. To be honest this isn't one of my best pieces of work. He gave me a hinky vibe and pushed himself into being one of the top candidates by his defensive response to me. I wanted to get the lawyers checked out and figured getting someone to scan him with AE was the way forward.

My main beef with LSG was that she's rich and I believe there's a rich wolf out there. However I now think there's better candidates for the rich wolf position. I think having Neon as a lawyer is just going to be far too compromised. On current form, how long is it going to take before we can get our act together enough to scan him? I'm hoping for a more trustworthy lawyer next time. So I'm going to,

Vote thwow Neon fwom the wock

I've just realised that I've been missing out on the opportunity to say that.

:)

BTW, Has anyone come out and said that they bid for AE's scanning rights during the last turn? It's the only question I have running through my mind right now.

Who bid for AE's services during the last turn? Who won his services, and who did you scan? Were you able to scan me and confirm my innocence? Can we get a list of the people who bid for services during the last turn? Check to see who won/lost?

I didn't bid on any day, considered myself to be too far below the pecking order.

[Neon_Chaos]

dola, it's what hoopsguy was trying to collate during the past gameday.

[Neon_Chaos]

dola dola dola

I've got wolfy vibes off of him from the start. Stuff like "methinks st.cronin rushed out the game too early" and the business of voting for an illegible consul. Sure it's a confusing game I've made mistakes interpreting things in the game (I thought we could only vote once on consul, for example). But still, it seemed like a good way to avoid committing to a vote.

I still am confused about this game. :) And I still do feel that st.cronin didn't really have the rules fleshed out when he released the game . But, running a WW game is definitely a difficult task, specially with the number of people in this one.

Did I miss a vote, Narc? IIRC, I voted every single time. I haven't had a hard time commiting to a vote, I just voted the way that my limited knowledge of the game and my gut instincts told me to.

[Grammaticus]

:)

BTW, Has anyone come out and said that they bid for AE's scanning rights during the last turn? It's the only question I have running through my mind right now.

Who bid for AE's services during the last turn? Who won his services, and who did you scan? Were you able to scan me and confirm my innocence? Can we get a list of the people who bid for services during the last turn? Check to see who won/lost?

I didn't bid on any day, considered myself to be too far below the pecking order.

So, why would you not bid for any services? Mustangus apparently recieved the assassin while in a low bracket and hoops recieved the horse trader in the lowest bracket.

It makes no sense to just not bid at all. I understand the feeling of futility, but that does not warrant just not voting. It makes it appear that you are trying to hide what you bid on.

[Grammaticus]

dola,

Neonus, I don't know who bid for Ardentus yesterday, but DC said she forgot to bid on him. I believe that Ardentus said he also got sex slaves that night. Do the sex slaves block the lawyer? If whoever hired the lawyer can confirm that, we would then have a piece of information worth knowing.

Ardentus has said that he does not know. He does not even know when he is used to investigate someone of wrongdoing.

We also do not know what "wrongdoing" means at this point.

[Grammaticus]

I would think a positive response of wrongdoing would be a definate bad.

The negative response of wrongdoin is what I am not sure about "confirming good".

[Neon_Chaos]

So, why would you not bid for any services? Mustangus apparently recieved the assassin while in a low bracket and hoops recieved the horse trader in the lowest bracket.

It makes no sense to just not bid at all. I understand the feeling of futility, but that does not warrant just not voting. It makes it appear that you are trying to hide what you bid on.

I didn't bid on any service on Day 1 because I had no clue what the people did and how exactly they would affect gameplay.

I then went on and put mass lawsuits everywhere to try and increase my wealth, and lost most of them. I didn't bid on anybody after that.

And I would like to repeat that I have voted, just not bid.

[Grammaticus]

I didn't bid on any service on Day 1 because I had no clue what the people did and how exactly they would affect gameplay.

I then went on and put mass lawsuits everywhere to try and increase my wealth, and lost most of them. I didn't bid on anybody after that.

And I would like to repeat that I have voted, just not bid.

Although I completely disagree with not bidding for the reasons you stated, it appears a lot of people passed on bidding for the first day out of confusion. I thought the rules were pretty clear. It cost nothing to bid and takes a few seconds to type and send the PM. So, why not do it? But, like I said you are in the same boat as a lot of people who did not bid, as st.cronin kept reminding people to bid. I'm sure all of those bidders are not bad.

But seriously, why would you not bid just because you dont know what the service does? Someone has to get the service to figure out what it does. Knowing what the services do is ultimately going to help the village organize and start overcoming being the uninformed majority aspect of the game.

[Grammaticus]

dola,

Neonus, I don't know who bid for Ardentus yesterday, but DC said she forgot to bid on him. I believe that Ardentus said he also got sex slaves that night. Do the sex slaves block the lawyer? If whoever hired the lawyer can confirm that, we would then have a piece of information worth knowing.

Ardentus has said that he does not know. He does not even know when he is used to investigate someone of wrongdoing.

We also do not know what "wrongdoing" means at this point.

Correction, in post #1971 DC said she did in fact hire Ardentus, but forgot to send in a PM to investigate anyone. So that power went unused for that day.

[Grammaticus]

It's a ghost town in here....

[hoopsguy]

Boo!

[Grammaticus]

Alright, now that we have travelled some ways into this game, here is my read on people or my trust list:

Golden
Grammaticus Atticus - Good

Strongest Trust:
Chiefus Rumus - Good analysis and idea about pinning down roles supports village
Kwhitus - Has been up there from early in the game based on analysis, is fading a bit
Ironus Headus - strong village feel from support early in the game

Some Trust
Narcizus - Good analysis, maybe should move up into strong trust
Autumnus - would be stronger but DC vouching for him is sketchy

Some Distrust
Passus - Don't like the "forgot to bid" yesterday that is really bad
Dodgerus Erchickus - failure to apply AE and doesnt support village oriented plans
Mustangus - oddity with the passus bid, how did he get the assissin in bottom wealth tier and killed Ant. without input or lawyer review, etc.
Chubus - MIA both as chubbus and LSG, which is odd and not like their play style
Neonus - Don't agree with why he does not bid. I think he is bidding, why wouldn't you?
Barkeepus - Not sure, but seems to have screwed up as consul, otherwise I usually get a bad feel, so not sure (just like Tyrith)
Coffeus - Don't like the rambo pk earlier and don't have a good feel. Voting issues as consul

Unsure
Ardentus - Seems to live on as lawyer and post a lot of static and obfuscation. But seems to be acting as usual
Pathus - don't know, but I'm wary of just trusting him at this point
Peregrinus - floated idea about voting but has not pushed much. Well see how consulship shakes out
Tyrith - leaning more as suspicious. He usually has more to say, but I generally always feel he is bad, so not sure how to read him now
Abeus - not sure, no read

Also, I had hoops in my strong trust column and Antmiester in the some trust column.

Based on my trust list my consul choices are:

Grammatticus Atticus for Consul
Ironus Headus for Consul

I would take Chief Rum, but he is off the board due to his schedule.

[Coffee Warlord]

Execute Neon

Elect Passacaglia to Consul
Elect CW to Consul

It's a busy weekend for me, but there you have it. Pass seems sufficiently decent in my mind, and I once against vote for myself as Consul. Neon...I can see him being a traitor more than I can see him being good. He's gone from popping in and out with little comments to offering long responses, possibly to try and save his ass.

[Grammaticus]

Oh and by using my trust list, I say

Jail Passus Caglius.

I think there is a Tarq in the top wealth tier(s). I'm okay with a lot of people in the second and third wealth tier behind Passus.

[Grammaticus]

Sorry, meant to underline Passus Caglius in the above post, but can't edit.

So,

Jail Passus Gaglius

[Grammaticus]

Hey, Chiefus Rumus you left Abeus and Cofeus off your trust list. Where do you place them in your scope of things?

[Chief Rum]

Please do I'd appreciate that. Actually, I'm actually a little shocked I haven't been sent to jail, why do ya'll think I've been hiring Ardent? I've been WAITING to get arrested.

Once my innocence has been proven then I have no problem following Chief's plan... no problem at all.

I'm gonna be super busy today so I'm gonna:

vote chubby innocent
vote neon chaos guilty

vote autumn for counsel
vote dodgerchick for counsel

I trust myself obviously, and if my scan of autumn was correct, then I'll go with it and assume him to be of the Republic.

I sent my PM yesterday and hope I have it locked down. I'll be awaiting to get arrested with hands behind my back.

Okay, this is critical because you're assigned the sword killer. Are you saying you put in another bid for ardent?

If so, please say so. At least then, if KWhit decides to join with us, then he can switch and put in a bid for the sword killer.

THE VERY LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS LET THE SWORD KILLER FALL INTO TARQ HANDS.

And I REALLY don't care for how you continue to put yourself ahead of the village, even at the potential cost of us losing two loyal Senators tomorrow instead of just one.

Caps are for emphasis. ;)

Coffee, I certainly hope everything's okay with your backup sword killer bid. Looks like we may need it. Grammaticus, I would recommend sending one in for the sword killer as well.

[Chief Rum]

Hey, Chiefus Rumus you left Abeus and Cofeus off your trust list. Where do you place them in your scope of things?

Did I? I was moving people arouind using a wealth list copy. Not surprised I would have missed them.

I was saving them for last, because of my uncertainty about them. I feel better about CW then Anxiety. For one thing, he's stated he's going with us on the plan after some initial questioning. Everything he said about lawyer use seems to be checked out, but, as noted, a main concern is that his primary voucher is Dodgerchick, whom herself is falling under suspicion now. I would say their fates are linked. Narcizo's point about who knew what lawyers could do going into the Day Two night actions might have gotten lost in the postings, but it's a very valid one I am also keeping in mind.

Anxiety has troubled me for some time. As I told Anxiety himself, I am used to him providing some steady analysis and rational discussion and being an active player. He has been rather touch and go in this one, though. The change in character registered on my impressions. And he seems to be the strongest in being against the plan amongst our resistant top three wealthy senators, which is a definite negative mark.

[Abe Sargent]

Refresh my memory - who has been pseudo-cleared?

[Ironhead]

Something I can say for Anxiety is that I sent him Balbus Senna last night. Within a minute or two after receiving the PM he posted pretty much the same thing that Hoops had posted earlier. Had it been a while before Anxiety had replied I would have been concerned that he was trying to match his answer up to Hoops', but thefact that he immediately responded makes me believe he is telling the truth about what was in the PM. For what it is worth I have him on my trust list right now.

Regarding service bids tonight I am more than willing to go along with the plan. Just let me know if you still want me to bid for the bodyguard and I will send it in.

[Barkeep49]

Refresh my memory - who has been pseudo-cleared?
CW has vouched for KWhit. That's the only pseduo-clearing I know of.

[Chief Rum]

Just to review the status of the plan right now. Here is how I presented it. I have added in CAPS what has publically been stated about these bids.

Dodgeus Erchickus-- Bid for MACRO, the sword killer--MAY BE BIDDING FOR ARDENT INSTEAD. NEED TO CONFIRM.
Kayus Whitus-- Bid for ARDENT, lawyer--HASN"T SAID IF HE WILL PARTICPATE. IF DC BIDS ON ARDENT, HE WOULD NEED TO BID FOR MACRO THE SWORD KILLER.
Abeus Anxietus-- Bid for DURUS PIMPUS, sex slave dealer--HAS REFUSED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PLAN SO FAR

Ironus Headus-- Bid for MAXIMUS MAXIMUS, legionnaire/BG--HAS POSTED BUT NOT SAID HE SUBMITTED A BID. WE NEED IRONHEAD TO GET IN ON THIS.
Passus Caglius-- Bid for VITUS AVIDUS, legionnaire/BG-- HAS PUT INA BID.

This should be all that is necessary to control the services. I would like to set up backup options, but I am uncertain of this because we start to get to more suspicious people (IMO). CoffeeWarlord and path12, though, have to be committed, because they are on the same level as Ironhead and Passacaglia. Wemust also lock down what they bid on.

Thusly, they should bid on:

Coffeus Yakus Warlordus-- Bid for MACRO, the sword killer== HAS PUT IN A BID. IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL RIGHT NOW, WITH THE TOP WEALTH ISSUES.
Pathus Twelvus-- Bid for ARDENT, lawyer-- HAS NOT POSTED IF HE PUT IN A BID, TO MY KNOWLEDGE (HASN'T POSTED AT ALL, I THINK).

Narcizo and I are in the next wealth group, so we should submit backup bids as well. I will bid for the sex slave dealer, if Narcizo will bid for one of the legionnaires/BGs.

NARCIZO AND I HAVE BOTH PUT IN OUR BIDS, MINE FOR THE SEX SLAVE, NARCIZO FOR THE BODYGUARD. PEREGRINE HAS PUT IN A BID FOR THE SEX SLAVES.

BARKEEP AND GRAMMATICUS HAVE OFFERED TO PUT IN BIDS, NO WORD YET, HOPEFULYL COMING.

AUTUMN HAS NOT BEEN SEEN SINCE YESTERDAY AND NOT KNOWN IF HE WILL PARTICIPATE.

Given all of the above, I would be primarily concerned (after the top tier issues) about making sure Ironhead states if he has gotten a bid in, and if Path12 and Autumn show up to put in backup bids.

[Chief Rum]

Something I can say for Anxiety is that I sent him Balbus Senna last night. Within a minute or two after receiving the PM he posted pretty much the same thing that Hoops had posted earlier. Had it been a while before Anxiety had replied I would have been concerned that he was trying to match his answer up to Hoops', but thefact that he immediately responded makes me believe he is telling the truth about what was in the PM. For what it is worth I have him on my trust list right now.

Regarding service bids tonight I am more than willing to go along with the plan. Just let me know if you still want me to bid for the bodyguard and I will send it in.

Good point on Balbus Senna. Not sure it clears him (just that you sent him Balbus Senna), but it's something at least. What exactly does Balbus Senna do? At least what you were told in your PM, I mean. I know what ANxiety said.

I posted my last post before seeing this, in which I had noted you hadn't committed to a bid yet. Since you're asking about that now, please go ahead and submit a bid based off of the plan. We'll go with the bodyguard for right now, if that's cool with you.

[Barkeep49]

Sorry, haven't confirmed but I will be putting in a bid for Ardent.

[Barkeep49]

Ok I'm going to go ahead and vote for pass for consul since he's been generally trustworthy since coming aboard. The other person I trust to be a good guy is KWhit, despite my difficulties with him as co-consul.

So that's the way I'm going
Vote Pass
Vote KWhit

[Ironhead]

Good point on Balbus Senna. Not sure it clears him (just that you sent him Balbus Senna), but it's something at least. What exactly does Balbus Senna do? At least what you were told in your PM, I mean. I know what ANxiety said.

I posted my last post before seeing this, in which I had noted you hadn't committed to a bid yet. Since you're asking about that now, please go ahead and submit a bid based off of the plan. We'll go with the bodyguard for right now, if that's cool with you.

Okay, I have submitted the bid for Maximus Maximus.

To be honest I am not 100% certain of what Balbus Senna does. He can be sent to one other player to convince them of the righteousness of your beliefs. I originally believed it was a way to clear your innocence to someone else. The more I think about it I wonder if it isn't a conversion mechanism. Assuming that both villagers and wolves have equal access to services a "clear" attempt wouldn't make sense in the context of a wolf winning the service. But a conversion does work in both regards.

When Hoops received the service from Schmidty he said he had no idea who it actually came from, so that further confirms to me that it is not a clear attempt. How can the service clear the person who sent it if the person who received it has no idea where it came from? Hoops said that the PM indicated he was uninterested in what Balbus Senna had to say, and Anxiety posted the same thing. We know that both Schmidty and Hoops were poisoned, which would affirm that they were both good. I know I am good, so if my sending Balbus to Anxiety created the same interaction that Schmidty/Hoops had then I have to believe that Anxiety is good as well.

[Chief Rum]

I will be leaving for work in a couple hours and off working out most of the time in the middle. So this might be my last post before deadline (and if I am killed, last post period except to say bye). But I will try to check in again before I go.

I think you all are already on this, but those of you in on the plan will need to determine how you can get it working going forward, as I may not be here to hear how DC and KWhit and path12 get involved. If anything needs to be changed up to be sure critical roles are covered, I have bid for the sex slaves, as noted.

I have decided to THROW NEON FROM THE ROCK. I'm not as certain as Narcizo is about him, but I trust Narcizo and his instincts (and haven't gotten any warm fuzzies from Neon myself), so I'm rolling with that.

Obviously, then, FREE LSG/CHUBBY. It's not the lack of posting isn't bad and super-suspicious, but the continued issues with this player (the combo) combined now with poor wealth makes them not our most improtant target. I would rather leave the jail open for better candidates.

For arrests, I would recommend Dodgerchick and Anxiety. I'm not even sure if Anxiety acquiescing to the planb would stop me from wanting to arrest him at this point. Dodgerchick's resistance and desire to be arrested is all well and good, so might as well let her have what she wants--and then possibly throw her off the rock.

path12 would be my next choice after that. He is growing in suspicion with me, as he has not been present (which may just be weekend related, must just be wants to hide his feelingsa on the plan) the past couple days, he has not yet committed to being a part of the plan, and he was one of my original five for the Day One sword killer patron.

For consuls, it was a tough choice, as I have good confidence in several players. For now I will...

ELECT IRONHEAD FOR CONSUL
ELECT PASSACAGLIA FOR CONSUL

Arresting people who resist the plan without good reason is key right now. We need our people in the seats of power to do so. I would have voted for Autumn but he has not been around the past day or so, and we need someone to be aorund to be certain to put in arrest orders.

I think that covers all the bases.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, I have submitted the bid for Maximus Maximus.

To be honest I am not 100% certain of what Balbus Senna does. He can be sent to one other player to convince them of the righteousness of your beliefs. I originally believed it was a way to clear your innocence to someone else. The more I think about it I wonder if it isn't a conversion mechanism. Assuming that both villagers and wolves have equal access to services a "clear" attempt wouldn't make sense in the context of a wolf winning the service. But a conversion does work in both regards.

When Hoops received the service from Schmidty he said he had no idea who it actually came from, so that further confirms to me that it is not a clear attempt. How can the service clear the person who sent it if the person who received it has no idea where it came from? Hoops said that the PM indicated he was uninterested in what Balbus Senna had to say, and Anxiety posted the same thing. We know that both Schmidty and Hoops were poisoned, which would affirm that they were both good. I know I am good, so if my sending Balbus to Anxiety created the same interaction that Schmidty/Hoops had then I have to believe that Anxiety is good as well.

Hmmm...but Balbus Senna is only available every other day right? Another point toward a possible conversion ability, as that would be a powerful service and perhaps not one you want out there every day. We may need to go back and compile a list of who has hired Balbus and how they used him (and if we have had confirmations).

If we're lucky, he has only been out for hire twice, and it was Schmidty and yourself that hired him. But if he has been out a third time, we might want to look at that, and anyone cleared or pseudo-cleared before that begins to fall under suspicion.

[Ironhead]

He has only been available twice, with confirmed bids of Schmidty and I. He is available for hire again tonight.

[Chief Rum]

He has only been available twice, with confirmed bids of Schmidty and I. He is available for hire again tonight.

Hmm, we may need to change up then. I will let you guys decide the best way to do that. I still think the sex slaves, sword killer and ardent are msot important, but the conversion possibility probably puts Senna above the bodyguards. We should probably bump them down and get Senna. Ironhead, since you're one who has bid on the bodyguards, we should probably have you switch to Senna again. Narcizo has a bid on Maximus, and bodyguards are only useful for good anyway, I believe.

[Ironhead]

I agree that we should probably try to grab Balbus. Since I have the sword killer tonight and will not be using him there should only be a poison attempt against the village. I think a possible block of a conversion, or even a conversion for the side of good might be more important than having 2 bodyguards out there.

[Abe Sargent]

I said I'd go along with it today CR.

Just to review the status of the plan right now. Here is how I presented it. I have added in CAPS what has publically been stated about these bids.

Dodgeus Erchickus-- Bid for MACRO, the sword killer--MAY BE BIDDING FOR ARDENT INSTEAD. NEED TO CONFIRM.
Kayus Whitus-- Bid for ARDENT, lawyer--HASN"T SAID IF HE WILL PARTICPATE. IF DC BIDS ON ARDENT, HE WOULD NEED TO BID FOR MACRO THE SWORD KILLER.
Abeus Anxietus-- Bid for DURUS PIMPUS, sex slave dealer--HAS REFUSED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PLAN SO FAR

Ironus Headus-- Bid for MAXIMUS MAXIMUS, legionnaire/BG--HAS POSTED BUT NOT SAID HE SUBMITTED A BID. WE NEED IRONHEAD TO GET IN ON THIS.
Passus Caglius-- Bid for VITUS AVIDUS, legionnaire/BG-- HAS PUT INA BID.

This should be all that is necessary to control the services. I would like to set up backup options, but I am uncertain of this because we start to get to more suspicious people (IMO). CoffeeWarlord and path12, though, have to be committed, because they are on the same level as Ironhead and Passacaglia. Wemust also lock down what they bid on.

Thusly, they should bid on:

Coffeus Yakus Warlordus-- Bid for MACRO, the sword killer== HAS PUT IN A BID. IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL RIGHT NOW, WITH THE TOP WEALTH ISSUES.
Pathus Twelvus-- Bid for ARDENT, lawyer-- HAS NOT POSTED IF HE PUT IN A BID, TO MY KNOWLEDGE (HASN'T POSTED AT ALL, I THINK).

Narcizo and I are in the next wealth group, so we should submit backup bids as well. I will bid for the sex slave dealer, if Narcizo will bid for one of the legionnaires/BGs.

NARCIZO AND I HAVE BOTH PUT IN OUR BIDS, MINE FOR THE SEX SLAVE, NARCIZO FOR THE BODYGUARD. PEREGRINE HAS PUT IN A BID FOR THE SEX SLAVES.

BARKEEP AND GRAMMATICUS HAVE OFFERED TO PUT IN BIDS, NO WORD YET, HOPEFULYL COMING.

AUTUMN HAS NOT BEEN SEEN SINCE YESTERDAY AND NOT KNOWN IF HE WILL PARTICIPATE.

Given all of the above, I would be primarily concerned (after the top tier issues) about making sure Ironhead states if he has gotten a bid in, and if Path12 and Autumn show up to put in backup bids.

[Abe Sargent]

I will be leaving for work in a couple hours and off working out most of the time in the middle. So this might be my last post before deadline (and if I am killed, last post period except to say bye). But I will try to check in again before I go.

I think you all are already on this, but those of you in on the plan will need to determine how you can get it working going forward, as I may not be here to hear how DC and KWhit and path12 get involved. If anything needs to be changed up to be sure critical roles are covered, I have bid for the sex slaves, as noted.

I have decided to THROW NEON FROM THE ROCK. I'm not as certain as Narcizo is about him, but I trust Narcizo and his instincts (and haven't gotten any warm fuzzies from Neon myself), so I'm rolling with that.

Obviously, then, FREE LSG/CHUBBY. It's not the lack of posting isn't bad and super-suspicious, but the continued issues with this player (the combo) combined now with poor wealth makes them not our most improtant target. I would rather leave the jail open for better candidates.

For arrests, I would recommend Dodgerchick and Anxiety. I'm not even sure if Anxiety acquiescing to the planb would stop me from wanting to arrest him at this point. Dodgerchick's resistance and desire to be arrested is all well and good, so might as well let her have what she wants--and then possibly throw her off the rock.

path12 would be my next choice after that. He is growing in suspicion with me, as he has not been present (which may just be weekend related, must just be wants to hide his feelingsa on the plan) the past couple days, he has not yet committed to being a part of the plan, and he was one of my original five for the Day One sword killer patron.

For consuls, it was a tough choice, as I have good confidence in several players. For now I will...

ELECT IRONHEAD FOR CONSUL
ELECT PASSACAGLIA FOR CONSUL

Arresting people who resist the plan without good reason is key right now. We need our people in the seats of power to do so. I would have voted for Autumn but he has not been around the past day or so, and we need someone to be aorund to be certain to put in arrest orders.

I think that covers all the bases.


I "acquiesed" yesterday CR, so calm down. I' said I'd do it for a day, and then we'd see where we stand.

[Abe Sargent]

CW has vouched for KWhit. That's the only pseduo-clearing I know of.

I thought was a DC clearing?

[DaddyTorgo]

DC...relax. I understand it can be frustrating. My first game with an actual complicated role I flubbed it up badly. Hell, even my 2nd I did too. It's a learning curve. No one's actually upset with you or anything, it's just a game. Take a deep breath and hug the kids, hmmm? I can only imagine the complexities of a non-vanilla role in a game that's this complicated for the vanillas.

[Barkeep49]

I hate to say this but the plan CR has laid out for us seems to be in grave danger with all of these last minute changes.

[Lorena]

Okay, this is critical because you're assigned the sword killer. Are you saying you put in another bid for ardent?

If so, please say so. At least then, if KWhit decides to join with us, then he can switch and put in a bid for the sword killer.

THE VERY LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS LET THE SWORD KILLER FALL INTO TARQ HANDS.

And I REALLY don't care for how you continue to put yourself ahead of the village, even at the potential cost of us losing two loyal Senators tomorrow instead of just one.

Caps are for emphasis. ;)

Coffee, I certainly hope everything's okay with your backup sword killer bid. Looks like we may need it. Grammaticus, I would recommend sending one in for the sword killer as well.

Since ya'll don't believe me to be good, yes, I put a bid in for Ardent and awaiting to get jailed. LIke I said ealier, why do you think I've been bidding on Ardent? I've been waiting to get jailed and nothing. Imthecrew, Marc Vaughn, and Bulletsponge (is there anyone else I forgot) were all at the top and they were either jailed or killed, I'm just waiting I dunno why I haven't been sent to the slammer yet :confused:

[Grammaticus]

Yes, I will cast a backup to the backup bid on the sword killer.

[DaddyTorgo]

second-level analysis: does anyone think that maybe there's some mechanism in play where ardent can make a bad person scan good or something?

[DaddyTorgo]

gram...you left me off your list...where do you see me?

[Grammaticus]

second-level analysis: does anyone think that maybe there's some mechanism in play where ardent can make a bad person scan good or something?

He is a lawyer, I assume he helps the defense of whoever hires him whether they are bad or good.

[Abe Sargent]

I need ta get some votes in.

Vote Barkeep for Consul - Seems like a voice of reason
Vote CR for Consul - I disagree with his reasoning at times, but you can't fake passion

[Grammaticus]

gram...you left me off your list...where do you see me?

Your right, I didn't notice. I think I would put you at hard to read, but you normally post a whole lot more. Problem is, even when you are bad you post a lot.

[Abe Sargent]

Oh, forgot to mention, I beleive BK when he says that he was late and missed the deadline when he had the role before.

[Grammaticus]

I need ta get some votes in.

Vote Barkeep for Consul - Seems like a voice of reason
Vote CR for Consul - I disagree with his reasoning at times, but you can't fake passion

CR took himself off the table for consul because he will not be around due to the long work days on Monday and Tuesday.

[Lorena]

DC...relax. I understand it can be frustrating. My first game with an actual complicated role I flubbed it up badly. Hell, even my 2nd I did too. It's a learning curve. No one's actually upset with you or anything, it's just a game. Take a deep breath and hug the kids, hmmm? I can only imagine the complexities of a non-vanilla role in a game that's this complicated for the vanillas.

Yeah sorry about that DT, my emotions got the better of me. Antmeister read my posts and said he won't play ww with me anymore... so I guess I fudged that up.

I'm upset because people say, "Well why did you scan this person it was a bad scan" so of course I'm gonna be mad. I mean who is a good scan anyway? Aren't we all suspicious from the getgo? This is a legit question, who is a good scan because I'd like to know. I thought Alan was a good scan but apparently some seem to think it wasn't. I"m always suspicious of alan he plays the helpful villager when a wolf so that's why I scanned him. I sent sex slaves to Ironhead because he was being nitpicky with some stuff Alan was saying and I suspected him. I had Autumn scanned because at that point I thought he had the most votes for counsel (I was wrong Narcizo did) and I wanted to scan someone who would hold power.

I mean can someone tell me why these were bad? They make sense to me but apparently to the more experienced players they're bad. Every single game I fell like why even bother. Ugh... just frustrating.

[Abe Sargent]

Musta missed that, thanks Gram! Seems fair enough, after all, he missed my post sayign that I'd go alogn with his plan for a day ;)

Hmmm. Who to vote for.

Unvote CR for Consul


There's few I trust at this point. Very few. Let's go with one of the cheapest senators in Rome. And someone with whom I have some modicum of trust.

Vote Daddyus Torgous Consul

[Narcizo]

I've got to dash. I've placed an arrest on Dodgerchick.

Vote Ironhead for Consul

I think he's talking sense and I'm getting good vibes from him.
Sorry to love you and leave you guys. Bye

[Barkeep49]

FTR I'd be happy to be consul again if people want to give me another shot.

[Coffee Warlord]

Un-Elect Passa for Consul

Elect KWhit for Consul

Forgot he was available. Still tops on my list of trustworthy folks.

[DaddyTorgo]

trust in me anxiety? not that I don't appreciate the vote of confidence...but that's suspicious. I mean I know i'm good, but that's unusual.

DC...you just hafta do what you think is right. I think alan was a good scan for sure...autumn I dunno

[bulletsponge]

http://www.smileyhut.com/characters/ghost2.gif

[Grammaticus]

http://www.smileyhut.com/characters/ghost2.gif

:eek:

[Barkeep49]

Gah. Cronin's box is full. What's his email? I'll have to send in my bid that way.

[Chief Rum]

I said I'd go along with it today CR.

Wow, really? How did I miss that? If so, I apologize. A strong part of my reasoning against you was that I thought you hadn't committed to doing this. I will have to review your posts when I get home.

Well, if that's the case, it might be better to arrest DC and path. But I'm still far from certain about anything on Anxiety.

[KWhit]

Just to review the status of the plan right now. Here is how I presented it. I have added in CAPS what has publically been stated about these bids.

Dodgeus Erchickus-- Bid for MACRO, the sword killer--MAY BE BIDDING FOR ARDENT INSTEAD. NEED TO CONFIRM.
Kayus Whitus-- Bid for ARDENT, lawyer--HASN"T SAID IF HE WILL PARTICPATE. IF DC BIDS ON ARDENT, HE WOULD NEED TO BID FOR MACRO THE SWORD KILLER.
Abeus Anxietus-- Bid for DURUS PIMPUS, sex slave dealer--HAS REFUSED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PLAN SO FAR

Ironus Headus-- Bid for MAXIMUS MAXIMUS, legionnaire/BG--HAS POSTED BUT NOT SAID HE SUBMITTED A BID. WE NEED IRONHEAD TO GET IN ON THIS.
Passus Caglius-- Bid for VITUS AVIDUS, legionnaire/BG-- HAS PUT INA BID.

This should be all that is necessary to control the services. I would like to set up backup options, but I am uncertain of this because we start to get to more suspicious people (IMO). CoffeeWarlord and path12, though, have to be committed, because they are on the same level as Ironhead and Passacaglia. Wemust also lock down what they bid on.

Thusly, they should bid on:

Coffeus Yakus Warlordus-- Bid for MACRO, the sword killer== HAS PUT IN A BID. IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL RIGHT NOW, WITH THE TOP WEALTH ISSUES.
Pathus Twelvus-- Bid for ARDENT, lawyer-- HAS NOT POSTED IF HE PUT IN A BID, TO MY KNOWLEDGE (HASN'T POSTED AT ALL, I THINK).

Narcizo and I are in the next wealth group, so we should submit backup bids as well. I will bid for the sex slave dealer, if Narcizo will bid for one of the legionnaires/BGs.

NARCIZO AND I HAVE BOTH PUT IN OUR BIDS, MINE FOR THE SEX SLAVE, NARCIZO FOR THE BODYGUARD. PEREGRINE HAS PUT IN A BID FOR THE SEX SLAVES.

BARKEEP AND GRAMMATICUS HAVE OFFERED TO PUT IN BIDS, NO WORD YET, HOPEFULYL COMING.

AUTUMN HAS NOT BEEN SEEN SINCE YESTERDAY AND NOT KNOWN IF HE WILL PARTICIPATE.

Given all of the above, I would be primarily concerned (after the top tier issues) about making sure Ironhead states if he has gotten a bid in, and if Path12 and Autumn show up to put in backup bids.


I'm in on this revised plan. Since DC bid on Ardent, I will bid on Macro the sword killer.

However, whomever wins the BodyGuards, I recommend you at least give consideration to sending one my way to protect me. I fear I will be a prime target since now the Tarqs know I don't have one myself.

[KWhit]

Gah. Cronin's box is full. What's his email? I'll have to send in my bid that way.

Anybody have his email address?

[Chief Rum]

I agree that we should probably try to grab Balbus. Since I have the sword killer tonight and will not be using him there should only be a poison attempt against the village. I think a possible block of a conversion, or even a conversion for the side of good might be more important than having 2 bodyguards out there.

I forgot you had the sword killer. You might ask everyone if there are candidates they would like you to use it on, if we feel strongly enough about it. I don't know that we do. I can only think of one on off of the top of my head for whom it would make sense, and I'm not sure we can get to him/her where they are right now.

[Ironhead]

I forgot you had the sword killer. You might ask everyone if there are candidates they would like you to use it on, if we feel strongly enough about it. I don't know that we do. I can only think of one on off of the top of my head for whom it would make sense, and I'm not sure we can get to him/her where they are right now.

I am strongly against the idea of using the sword killer against anyone at this point. Chances are very high that we kill a villager, and since there is no reveal of roles for people who have been sword killed it doesn't really give us any information - just one more dead player.

[Chief Rum]

Since ya'll don't believe me to be good, yes, I put a bid in for Ardent and awaiting to get jailed. LIke I said ealier, why do you think I've been bidding on Ardent? I've been waiting to get jailed and nothing. Imthecrew, Marc Vaughn, and Bulletsponge (is there anyone else I forgot) were all at the top and they were either jailed or killed, I'm just waiting I dunno why I haven't been sent to the slammer yet :confused:

Why on Earth did you think you would be picked before them? You were fairly well trusted for most of the early going. You have been a great position to help us and reeally, you have been as helpful as ImTheCrew was, if I am reading you right.

DC, I'm not advocating your arrest to clear you. I am advocating your arrest to see you thrown off of the rock. You won't hear about yoru scan before your dead if it's my way. Honestly, you haven't given us much choice.

[Chief Rum]

I am strongly against the idea of using the sword killer against anyone at this point. Chances are very high that we kill a villager, and since there is no reveal of roles for people who have been sword killed it doesn't really give us any information - just one more dead player.


That's certainly your prerogative, and you're probably right to be cautious. I'm just throwing the option out there since we have it at our disposal.

[Chief Rum]

I "acquiesed" yesterday CR, so calm down. I' said I'd do it for a day, and then we'd see where we stand.

I have actually alwys been perfectly calm. My early reasoning on you was entirely rationally based. It's no big deal to me if you didn't want to go with the plan, just was letting you know there could be consequences if you were to go against the plan and we had a Tarq issue.

Keep in mind, BTW, we won't really have a good read ont he plan until the Monday night deadline, meaning we will have to devise the next day's plan and move forward with it before we know the results of the first.

[KWhit]

Cronin - clear out your PM box!

[Chief Rum]

Oh, forgot to mention, I beleive BK when he says that he was late and missed the deadline when he had the role before.

I don't think I ever said in my earlier doubts about BK, so I thought I would piggyback on this from Anxiety. I absolutely 100% believe BK had the Internet issues on Thursday night. I have complete trust that he would not lie about RL stuff, as he says. He has always been an up front and honest player, to a fault (outside of game mechanics that is).

[Chief Rum]

I need ta get some votes in.

Vote Barkeep for Consul - Seems like a voice of reason
Vote CR for Consul - I disagree with his reasoning at times, but you can't fake passion

I appreciate it, but, really, you mistake passion for "filling the AlanT" void. I haven't once felt in rise in emotion about this game, just playing along and enjoying it. Now DC, that's passion. :D

[Chief Rum]

Cronin - clear out your PM box!

lol, well, we're fairly certain you're putting in a bid. :)

I think st. cronin put up his email address in the openjing posts in case his PM box filled up (very realistic in this game; JTR was huge, and I couldn't ever keep my PM Box empty for long).

[KWhit]

Cronin - clear out your PM box!


Thanks!


My bid is in.

[Chief Rum]

Yeah sorry about that DT, my emotions got the better of me. Antmeister read my posts and said he won't play ww with me anymore... so I guess I fudged that up.

I'm upset because people say, "Well why did you scan this person it was a bad scan" so of course I'm gonna be mad. I mean who is a good scan anyway? Aren't we all suspicious from the getgo? This is a legit question, who is a good scan because I'd like to know. I thought Alan was a good scan but apparently some seem to think it wasn't. I"m always suspicious of alan he plays the helpful villager when a wolf so that's why I scanned him. I sent sex slaves to Ironhead because he was being nitpicky with some stuff Alan was saying and I suspected him. I had Autumn scanned because at that point I thought he had the most votes for counsel (I was wrong Narcizo did) and I wanted to scan someone who would hold power.

I mean can someone tell me why these were bad? They make sense to me but apparently to the more experienced players they're bad. Every single game I fell like why even bother. Ugh... just frustrating.

I could quibble about the scan choices if I thought about it, but on the face it, I don't and never had any problems with your scan choices. I just think there were other ways you could have put your wealth to use. Let's face it, the scans ended up ordering were just byproducts of you trying to clear yourself, when that wasn't even necessary until now. You kept those scans in your hands, where if they had gone to other people, we could have confirmed the things that you say and the people you scanned. Now a whole bunch of people's allegiances hinge on your innocence or guilt.

I think it's ironic you could have been cleared almost for sure a while ago if you had NOT bid for ardent or any lawyer.

[Chief Rum]

FTR I'd be happy to be consul again if people want to give me another shot.


I actually considered that, but I thought the last experience would eman you wouldn't get voted in, and plus, it might be best to give others a shot in that liught first before coming back to you. I do feel better about you now than before, though, FWIW.

[Chief Rum]

All right, I'm officially gone. Good luck, everyone. I hope I'm alive when I return.

[Grammaticus]

Starting the game thread a day early; the next post will be the final draft of the rules, following that will be a list of the public roles. After that, I will consult random.org for the secret roles, and send out pms.


in case at some point my pm box gets full email st.cronin at gmail. please put werewolf in the subject.

From the first post.

[Poli]

Bump. Updated a bit...I'm not liking that DC decided to go against the plan. I'm also not liking DT...the fool doesn't listen to me.

[DaddyTorgo]

listen to you? I havn't seen anything you've said directed at me. in fact I havn't seen much directed at me and/or responding to things that i've said, which has kinda driven me UTR. Why bother talking and putting forth ideas if no one is even acknowledging that I am

[Poli]

You could read what I've said, for starters.

[st.cronin]

My pm box now has room.

I am going through the thread now, compiling votes.

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE IRONHEAD CONSUL
VOTE KWHIT CONSUL

VOTE "MAKE THE BAD MAN FLY MOMMY! MAKE HIM FLY!!" (throw Neon_Chaos off the rock)

[Poli]

Interesting vote by DT for Ironhead. Interesting.

[Abe Sargent]

trust in me anxiety? not that I don't appreciate the vote of confidence...but that's suspicious. I mean I know i'm good, but that's unusual.

DC...you just hafta do what you think is right. I think alan was a good scan for sure...autumn I dunno

One of the factors for me is that you are really low on teh totem pole money wise.

[st.cronin]

Ok, if somebody wants to double check my work, this is what I have:

To execute:
10 - Neonus Chaosus - Ardent (2000), DaddyTorgo (2019), Anxiety (2120), Tyrith (2123), Narcizo (2143), Passacaglia (2147), Peregrine (2150), Dodgerchick (2151), Coffee Warlord (2167), Chief Rum (2181)

1 - Chubbus Chubbus - Grammaticus (2152)

For Consul:
3 Ironhead
3 Autumn
3 Passacaglia
3 KWhit
2 Daddytorgo
1 Dodgerchick
1 Barkeep
1 CoffeeWarlord
1 Grammaticus
1 Ardent

[Barkeep49]

AE's thread merged into this thread.

~BK, YFWWM

[Barkeep49]

Ok well I'm going to go for it.

Unvote Pass for consul
Vote BK for consul

[Poli]

!!!

What's that all about? We'll carry this conversation on elsewhere.