Werewolf L Kate Beckinsale - day 7, deadline Thursday 10pm Eastern Time

[tanglewood]

TW 6 / NC 4 / BK 3 / Ren 3 / AT 1 / CR 1

[Gonzo]

If Gonzo doesn't take his vote off Alant in about 15 minutes he is going to be my target tomorrow.

Why? I don't buy Alan T's role reveal and want to record my opposition to it. Tanglewood's going down at any rate.

[tanglewood]

Although you may not want to rely upon my vote counts any longer. ;)

[Alan T]

Unvote Tanglewood
Vote Chief Rum


Ok, I'll make the move. I'll go back to tangle though if there isn't enough other momentum in the next 5-6 minutes.

[path12]

TW 6 / NC 4 / BK 3 / Ren 3 / AT 1 / CR 1

BK, I can't move my vote when it would make it a one vote margin.

[DaddyTorgo]

barkeep...i will switch to chief. But we NEED a lynch.

Maybe we just look at CR tomorrow for sure...but I will switch now if others will

[RendeR]

Lets ensure a lynch:

VOTE TANGLEWOOD

[path12]

OK, Alan moved too, let's see what happens.

UNVOTE TANGLEWOOD
VOTE CHIEF RUM

[DaddyTorgo]

UNVOTE TANGLEWOOD

VOTE CHIEF RUM

what alan said. I wanna see CR in the lead with 4 minutes left or I go back to tangle

[Gonzo]

...is this what usually happens around the deadline at FOFC?

[path12]

...is this what usually happens around the deadline at FOFC?

Sometimes.

[hoopsguy]

...is this what usually happens around the deadline at FOFC?

Awesome.

[DaddyTorgo]

unofficially I have TW & CR with 4 each

[JHandley]

I am not moving off Tangle. I don't have the time to read up on CR and I still like my earlier thought process.

Make sure this post is considered with any future swaps.

[Alan T]

4 - Chief Rum - Barkeep (728), Alan (754), path (758), Daddytorgo (759)
4 - Tanglewood - Jhandley (582), Neon_Chaos (713), Lonestargirl (732), Render (757)
3 - Barkeep49 - Dodgerchick (531), Telle (557), Cartman (681)
2 - Neon_Chaos - Antmeister (589), kwhit (610)
1 - Alan T - Gonzo (474)
1 - RendeR - Chief Rum (574)

[RendeR]

So we're jumping on Chief because.....

BArkeep says so???

[Neon_Chaos]

oh great. any vote count? am i going to be lynched? who do i have to switch to to save my ass?

[Alan T]

Jumping out at me right now is Chief rum's vote on Render, and now Render protecting him by voting for Tangle right when some momentum came...

Still not sure if I buy that chief is bad, but this is kind of weird.

[KWhit]

UNVOTE NEON CHAOS
VOTE CHIEF RUM

[LoneStarGirl]

I dont even see Rum on right now, this really sucks for him... What is the vote count anybody? I wish switch to avoid a tie

[Neon_Chaos]

NO TIES.

UNVOTE TANGLEWOOD

VOTE CHIEF RUM

[Alan T]

oh great. any vote count? am i going to be lynched? who do i have to switch to to save my ass?

Right now you aren't in danger of being lynched, however we're close to a tie.

Schmidty can break the tie though with a vote on tangle or chief.

[KWhit]

Hopefully my vote got it off the tie.

[LoneStarGirl]

oh great. any vote count? am i going to be lynched? who do i have to switch to to save my ass?

You are safe it looks like

[DaddyTorgo]

interesting observation alan. Could be a fatal mistake

we're jumping on CR because of BK's point that Alan's PM could indicate that alan failed his dice-roll to discover that CR is a wolf...

[path12]

So we're jumping on Chief because.....

BArkeep says so???

No. We're jumping on Chief because Alan tried to follow him and ended up blacking out. We're playing the hunch that Alan failed his die roll to learn Chief's identity and that he is a wolf.

And really, you're sounding wolfier by the post.

[DaddyTorgo]

5-4 CR/TW
6-3 CR/TW

unofficially. Tough keeping up

[Gonzo]

we're jumping on CR because of BK's point that Alan's PM could indicate that alan failed his dice-roll to discover that CR is a wolf...

Which is as flimsy as hell, but at least it's a lynch.

[tanglewood]

Well, I am in the middle of typing up my 'final words speech' but hey looks like there may be some movement after all.

Vote Chief Rum

I have no idea whether he is a bad guy or not, but the selfish gene kicks in here.

[Schmidty]

Vote tanglewood

I guess. I really have no idea what to do, and no time to catch up on 6 pages of info before the dealine. :(

[KWhit]

5-4 CR/TW
6-3 CR/TW

unofficially. Tough keeping up

Which one?

[DaddyTorgo]

No. We're jumping on Chief because Alan tried to follow him and ended up blacking out. We're playing the hunch that Alan failed his die roll to learn Chief's identity and that he is a wolf.

And really, you're sounding wolfier by the post.

yeah. add this to the point about RendeR going counter-momentum to protect CR

[path12]

interesting observation alan. Could be a fatal mistake

we're jumping on CR because of BK's point that Alan's PM could indicate that alan failed his dice-roll to discover that CR is a wolf...

DT, that wasn't just Barkeep's point, I mentioned it and someone else did too. It's a fishy thing.

[Barkeep49]

I think CR is in the lead. By a couple votes.

[LoneStarGirl]

No. We're jumping on Chief because Alan tried to follow him and ended up blacking out. We're playing the hunch that Alan failed his die roll to learn Chief's identity and that he is a wolf.

And really, you're sounding wolfier by the post.

Agreed.

Part of me wants to change my vote to chief, but if i do it now it will be wolfish... And if there are 6 votes on Chief right now then that means at least 1 wolf has voted for him

[Alan T]

7 - Chief Rum - Barkeep (728), Alan (754), path (758), Daddytorgo (759), kwhit (769), neon_chaos (771), tanglewood (779)
3 - Tanglewood - Jhandley (582), Lonestargirl (732), Render (757)
3 - Barkeep49 - Dodgerchick (531), Telle (557), Cartman (681)
1 - Neon_Chaos - Antmeister (589)
1 - Alan T - Gonzo (474)
1 - RendeR - Chief Rum (574)

[DaddyTorgo]

7-4 CR/TW

[RendeR]

Sometimes you people irritate the shit outta me. Whats the reasoning for the run on Cheif Rum? I'll jump in IF there is some good reason beyond retaliation for me to use.

Sorry folks but I don't vote for people just because they vote for me.

[Neon_Chaos]

WHOA. Schmidty's in this game!?

[Alan T]

7 - Chief Rum - Barkeep (728), Alan (754), path (758), Daddytorgo (759), kwhit (769), neon_chaos (771), tanglewood (779)
4 - Tanglewood - Jhandley (582), Lonestargirl (732), Render (757), Schmidty (780)
3 - Barkeep49 - Dodgerchick (531), Telle (557), Cartman (681)
1 - Neon_Chaos - Antmeister (589)
1 - Alan T - Gonzo (474)
1 - RendeR - Chief Rum (574)

[LoneStarGirl]

We have 16 people on right now.... who said Werewolf was dead

Cartman and Telle you have both voted for somebody who is out of the picture, are you thinking of changing your votes?

[Chief Rum]

Self preservation vote. :(

UNVOTE RENDER

VOTE TANGLE

[DaddyTorgo]

DT, that wasn't just Barkeep's point, I mentioned it and someone else did too. It's a fishy thing.

fair enough

[cartman]

UNVOTE BARKEEP49

VOTE CHIEF RUM

Let's try to make this a tie-proof count. I think that does it, barring a wild swing in votes.

[Alan T]

WHOA. Schmidty's in this game!?


:D

[path12]

Sometimes you people irritate the shit outta me. Whats the reasoning for the run on Cheif Rum? I'll jump in IF there is some good reason beyond retaliation for me to use.

Sorry folks but I don't vote for people just because they vote for me.

Did you read mine and DT's posts explaining it?

[tanglewood]

Suspected bad guys

No guarentees, but my parting thoughts:

Path12 - Started the disasterous no lynch bandwagon on day 1. Voted for Render for a shitty reason on day 2 really, really early and kept it there all day. For all the palava over my inadvertent not breaking a tie because of a mistake why no accusations of him not breaking it? He was around at the deadline. Then today goes after me for not breaking the tie, despite him not doing it either as mentioned, then goes after Alan T, then switches to me.

DaddyTorgo - Voted no lynch on day 1, then switched to the most vocal of the no lynch proponents in day 2, Barkeep, with almost no explaination. Starts complainaing about how not lynching was a bad idea. Hmm, hypocritical? He has offered essentailly no analysis, expect when specifically prompted by myself and responded with a couple of sentences.


Thought I may as well post this anyway, minus some end thread stuff that I don't want to post yet.

[Telle]

Wow.. and people thought there was a lot of last-minute voting last night!

[DaddyTorgo]

7/5 - CR/TW

[Chief Rum]

Wow, I'm back a couple pages, and I am getting ramroded right now! I don't even have time to respond. You're all making a terrible mistake. Not everything is as it seems.

[Neon_Chaos]

if i have it correctly, just about 2-3 minutes from deadline?

[Gonzo]

Wow, I'm back a couple pages, and I am getting ramroded right now! I don't even have time to respond. You're all making a terrible mistake. Not everything is as it seems.

Then give us some info.

[RendeR]

Mob mentality at its best.

UNVOTE TANGLEWOOD


VOTE CHIEF RUM



happier?

[DaddyTorgo]

actually tangle...i was offline all day yesterday reading harry potter...and today i've been around since I woke up at 2pm and have offered a lot of analysis and pro-village work here tonight

[Barkeep49]

Sometimes you people irritate the shit outta me. Whats the reasoning for the run on Cheif Rum? I'll jump in IF there is some good reason beyond retaliation for me to use.

Sorry folks but I don't vote for people just because they vote for me.
No retaliation. It's just that I, and others, continue to seek an explanation for why Alan blacked out. Originally I suggested conversion. I think, that it's also possible in the rule set that Alan guarded a wolf, and since he may or may not find out whether a wolf who he guards is a wolf, did not find out in this case. Hence the blackout.

[DaddyTorgo]

8/4 - CR/TW

[Barkeep49]

Mob mentality at its best.

UNVOTE TANGLEWOOD


VOTE CHIEF RUM



happier?

Not really. You're voting to lynch someone far away from a tie. I mean I think we established around 8:56 or so that CR was in the lead by one or two votes. Every vote after that, if he is a wolf, can't claim, in my eyes, that they were trying to prevent a tie.

[DaddyTorgo]

I think alan would have told us if player x = CR too, so I don't think we've barking up that tree

[Chief Rum]

Then give us some info.

To what point? I'm screwed. It all goes to the grave with me.

[LoneStarGirl]

No retaliation. It's just that I, and others, continue to seek an explanation for why Alan blacked out. Originally I suggested conversion. I think, that it's also possible in the rule set that Alan guarded a wolf, and since he may or may not find out whether a wolf who he guards is a wolf, did not find out in this case. Hence the blackout.

Did you say that earlier? Because if you did I missed that post. That makes sense. I guess we will see very soon

[DaddyTorgo]

we've=we're obviously

DEADLINE

[path12]

Path12 - Started the disasterous no lynch bandwagon on day 1. Voted for Render for a shitty reason on day 2 really, really early and kept it there all day. For all the palava over my inadvertent not breaking a tie because of a mistake why no accusations of him not breaking it? He was around at the deadline. Then today goes after me for not breaking the tie, despite him not doing it either as mentioned, then goes after Alan T, then switches to me.



No I wasn't. I was offline from about 3 in the afternoon until almost midnight.

You can bet that if I had been around though I would have moved my vote to prevent a tie. Unlike what you did.

And now Entourage is on. Later, kids.

[DaddyTorgo]

people that take things to the grave playing the "offended villager" card are lame. The village makes mistakes, that's the name of the game. don't be bitter if the village messes up

[Barkeep49]

To what point? I'm screwed. It all goes to the grave with me.
That's not being a good villager. If you ARE a villager, with a role, give us the info you have. Please try and help your cause even though you've now died.

[tanglewood]

To what point? I'm screwed. It all goes to the grave with me.

If you had a good role, you shoud've just started spewing through the keyboard man.

That's figuratively, not literally obviously.

[RendeR]

No retaliation. It's just that I, and others, continue to seek an explanation for why Alan blacked out. Originally I suggested conversion. I think, that it's also possible in the rule set that Alan guarded a wolf, and since he may or may not find out whether a wolf who he guards is a wolf, did not find out in this case. Hence the blackout.

You should have done this all damn day instead of wasting the villages time with alan or anyone else. If this is the REAL hot point right now we've all been led around by the nose chasing BS arhuements insttead of focusing on this.

Why the hell did y'all wait tll 15 to deadline to go after him?

[Neon_Chaos]

If CR turns out to be someone important...

[DaddyTorgo]

RendeR still seems suspicious to me, as we discussed earlier...all that stuff about moving his vote to protect CR and only moving it at the very end after it was decided...just getting that out there in case I get offed.

[Gonzo]

Why the hell did y'all wait tll 15 to deadline to go after him?

Because Alan T (fake?) role revealed.

[Telle]

We have 16 people on right now.... who said Werewolf was dead

Cartman and Telle you have both voted for somebody who is out of the picture, are you thinking of changing your votes?

I obviously didn't change mine. I can pretty much see equal odds of barkeep/chief rum/tangle being wolves and thus don't have any feelings over chief rum vs tangle. And the last thing I want to do is jump into the middle of all this last-second voting and somehow end up causing a tie because I couldn't keep track of the voting.

[Chief Rum]

You guys are silly. If I wanted to help you, I would. ;)

Good catch. :eek:

[Alan T]

Because Alan T (fake?) role revealed.

Since I don't really know you.. I will be gentle....

But you really need to take those blinders off.

[DaddyTorgo]

WOOT WOOT!!! WE GOT ONE!!!

good catch everyone!

[Gonzo]

Since I don't really know you.. I will be gentle....

I don't have anything against you personally.

[Neon_Chaos]

You guys are silly. If I wanted to help you, I would. ;)

Good catch. :eek:

Dum Dum Dum!

Does this mean good job for us villagers? :cool:

[KWhit]

Good job!

[Neon_Chaos]

HOORAY FOR MOB MENTALITY!

[Alan T]

I don't have anything against you personally.

I understand that, and the same here. I never take this game personally.. Just saying since I don't know you and you don't know me.. You really are sticking hard to something to the point of blinding yourself from the truth.

I never really thought you were a wolf (even during my accusations the previous day), but if I am rigth and you are a villager, you are doing a diservice by sticking so hard to something that now is just a reach. I just am saying you need to take a step back and reanalyze the situation.

[Schmidty]

About time something good happpened to us in this game!!! :)

[Gonzo]

Let's all say "hooray we got a wolf" to avoid looking like one.

[Neon_Chaos]

I didn't know Schmidty was in the game.

I would've voted for you.

:)

[DaddyTorgo]

okay. I leave it to those who are more nitty-gritty than me to discuss what this means...to do vote-analysis type stuff and see. But as someone has already said...RendeR's voting history doesn't stack up real well...minus his last-second switch onto an already-doomed wolf, so maybe we go that way?

[LoneStarGirl]

Let's all say "hooray we got a wolf" to avoid looking like one.

You and Render are doing whatever it takes to make people suspicious of you aren't ya?

[DaddyTorgo]

wow. Everyone in-game in thread!

[LoneStarGirl]

Yauy st cronin is here... I really need a shower but I can't get off this computer because this damned game is so addicting

[LoneStarGirl]

Dodgerchick nor antmeister is here, which is really odd because DC is usually always here during pivotal moments

[Chief Rum]

You guys are screwed, though. Did one of you piss me off this game? Think about it. I'm not going alone. Don't no one stand too close to me when I get lynched.

[KWhit]

Let's all say "hooray we got a wolf" to avoid looking like one.

You're digging yourself a hole. I personally don't think you're a wolf, but you're not helping yourself tonight.

[Alan T]

You guys are screwed, though. Did one of you piss me off this game? Think about it. I'm not going alone. Don't no one stand too close to me when I get lynched.

Sweet, bring it on!

[Barkeep49]

It sucks that it was a last minute switch, so dramatically at that, onto CR, since I think determining where in that process wolves would start to abandon ship is hard.

[Gonzo]

You and Render are doing whatever it takes to make people suspicious of you aren't ya?

I'm just being honest. It's a pertinent observation.

But yeah, I am very suspicious of Render right now, if we have bagged a wolf.

[Chief Rum]

Sweet, bring it on!

Come a little closer, Alan. :D

[st.cronin]

Ok this will take me a couple minutes, I have this as the vote:

7 - Chief Rum - Barkeep49 (728), Alan T (754), path12 (758), DaddyTorgo (759), KWhit (769), Neon Chaos (771), tanglewood, RendeR (803)
3 - tanglewood - LoneStarGirl (732), Schmidty (780), Chief Rum (792)
3 - Barkeep49 - Dodgerchick (531), Telle (557), cartman (681)
1 - Alan T - Gonzo (474)\
1 - Neon_Chaos - Antmeister (589)

I am sure there are a couple of errrors in there, if anybody could point them out while I go through my pms.

Sorry for the delay tonight.

[RendeR]

okay. I leave it to those who are more nitty-gritty than me to discuss what this means...to do vote-analysis type stuff and see. But as someone has already said...RendeR's voting history doesn't stack up real well...minus his last-second switch onto an already-doomed wolf, so maybe we go that way?


Where is this bone for me coming from? I've been trying to avoid a tie all night and then the universe leaps on CR and frankly I was tired of everyone running amok with there votes. it wa 7-5 or 7-4 when I voted and I didn't want there to be any chance of it somehow shifting again.

[DaddyTorgo]

take me rummy. i'm more valuable than van stupid helsing.

[Chief Rum]

Nice thing is, now I'll have some more spare time to wrap my prep on my game.

[Alan T]

Come a little closer, Alan. :D

I have this itch in my back, can you get it for me? :)

[Gonzo]

You're digging yourself a hole. I personally don't think you're a wolf, but you're not helping yourself tonight.

Is it wolfish to make observations about people's reactions?

[cartman]

Ok this will take me a couple minutes, I have this as the vote:

7 - Chief Rum - Barkeep49 (728), Alan T (754), path12 (758), DaddyTorgo (759), KWhit (769), Neon Chaos (771), tanglewood, RendeR (803)
3 - tanglewood - LoneStarGirl (732), Schmidty (780), Chief Rum (792)
3 - Barkeep49 - Dodgerchick (531), Telle (557), cartman (681)
1 - Alan T - Gonzo (474)\
1 - Neon_Chaos - Antmeister (589)

I am sure there are a couple of errrors in there, if anybody could point them out while I go through my pms.

Sorry for the delay tonight.

I changed my vote from Barkeep to CR with post #794.

[Chief Rum]

Is it wolfish to make observations about people's reactions?

I made tons of observations in this game. ;)

I recommend the villagers make no preparations at all.

[Chief Rum]

I mean, observations.

[KWhit]

Is it wolfish to make observations about people's reactions?

No, but the tone of it was weird when we're all happy about seemingly getting a wolf, but you were all sour grapes about it. That's all.

[RendeR]

Take me rum, at least that'll prove my humanity.

[Telle]

I've got:

9 - Chief Rum - Barkeep49, Alan T, path12, DaddyTorgo, KWhit, Neon Chaos, Tanglewood, cartman, RendeR
4 - Tanglewood - JHandley, LoneStarGirl, Schmidty, Chief Rum
2 - Barkeep49 - Dodgerchick, Telle
1 - Alan T - Gonzo
1 - Neon Chaos - Antmeister

[Alan T]

I keep hitting F5 every 10 seconds.

[Gonzo]

No, but the tone of it was weird when we're all happy about seemingly getting a wolf, but you were all sour grapes about it. That's all.

How was I being sour grapes? :confused:

[Alan T]

The person who jumps out the most wolfish to me today by the way is DaddyTorgo.

Just a gut feeling though, and probably means nothing.. and I'll probably change my mind before tommorrow anyways.

[DaddyTorgo]

The person who jumps out the most wolfish to me today by the way is DaddyTorgo.

Just a gut feeling though, and probably means nothing.. and I'll probably change my mind before tommorrow anyways.

you're usually a lot more spot-on than that alan. Usually I have to shake you when i'm bad...not when I'm good

[Gonzo]

The person who jumps out the most wolfish to me today by the way is DaddyTorgo.

For me it has to be Render. Says practically nothing all day and then turns up at the end to try and defend Chief Rum. Then switches to Chief after it's patently clear he's a goner.

[Alan T]

you're usually a lot more spot-on than that alan. Usually I have to shake you when i'm bad...not when I'm good


Just doing what I can to try to accuse everyone at least once this game before I die :)

[st.cronin]

I've got:

9 - Chief Rum - Barkeep49, Alan T, path12, DaddyTorgo, KWhit, Neon Chaos, Tanglewood, cartman, RendeR
4 - Tanglewood - JHandley, LoneStarGirl, Schmidty, Chief Rum
2 - Barkeep49 - Dodgerchick, Telle
1 - Alan T - Gonzo
1 - Neon Chaos - Antmeister

This is what I have as well, with no abstentions. There will be no pics tonight, as I don't have time - I'll make it up to you tomorrow. As well, I will have a treat for the ladies.

The result of today's discussion is that Chief Rum is lynched. He is a wolf! Congratulations village, pms coming.

[Alan T]

For me it has to be Render. Says practically nothing all day and then turns up at the end to try and defend Chief Rum. Then switches to Chief after it's patently clear he's a goner.

Well I was the first one to bring up Render, it almost feels too obvious, but yeah.. Chief's early vote on him then his action close to deadline makes me feel almost like he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

Then my other side tells me that would be way too easy and the reverse-WW occam's razor says that the easy is never the case.

[DaddyTorgo]

so the brutal-wolf threat was a bluff?

[Neon_Chaos]

For a second there, Chief Rum almost hinted that he had a lynch/kill ability.

[Alan T]

so the brutal-wolf threat was a bluff?

I kind of hoped it was true. I could have blocked it.

[Chief Rum]

This is what I have as well, with no abstentions. There will be no pics tonight, as I don't have time - I'll make it up to you tomorrow. As well, I will have a treat for the ladies.

The result of today's discussion is that Chief Rum is lynched. He is a wolf! Congratulations village, pms coming.

Bummer, you really could have added a little suspense by having me escape from the noose and jump on AlanT's back. Just before I scratch his itch, y'all shoot me with silver bullets.

See you guys next game--which is my game. :)

[tanglewood]

Day three vote chart.

POST / PLAYER / VOTED FOR / VOTE COUNT

<table border="0" cellspacing="0" cols="4" frame="void" rules="none"> <colgroup><col width="92"><col width="180"><col width="135"><col width="311"></colgroup> <tbody> <tr> <td sdval="474" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18" width="92">474</td> <td align="left" width="180">Gonzo</td> <td align="left" width="135">Alan T</td> <td align="left" width="311">AT 1</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="512" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="17">512</td> <td align="left">Neon Chaos</td> <td align="left">Alan T</td> <td align="left">AT 2</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="531" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">531</td> <td align="left">Dodgerchick</td> <td align="left">Barkeep</td> <td align="left">AT 2 / BK 1</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="540" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="17">540</td> <td align="left">Render</td> <td align="left">Alan T</td> <td align="left">AT 3 / BK 1</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="554" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">554</td> <td align="left">Cartman</td> <td align="left">Alan T</td> <td align="left">AT 4 / BK 1</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="557" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">557</td> <td align="left">Telle</td> <td align="left">Barkeep</td> <td align="left">AT 4 / BK 2</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="574" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">574</td> <td align="left">Chief Rum</td> <td align="left">Render</td> <td align="left">AT 4 / BK 2 / Ren 1</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="576" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">576</td> <td align="left">DaddyTorgo</td> <td align="left">Render</td> <td align="left">AT 4 / BK 2 / Ren 2</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="577" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">577</td> <td align="left">Barkeep</td> <td align="left">Render</td> <td align="left">AT 4 / Ren 3 / BK 2</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="578" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">578</td> <td align="left">Path12</td> <td align="left">Tanglewood</td> <td align="left">AT 4 / Ren 3 / BK 2 / TW 1</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="582" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">582</td> <td align="left">Jhandley</td> <td align="left">Tanglewood</td> <td align="left">AT 4 / Ren 3 / BK 2 / TW 2</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="585" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">585</td> <td align="left">Kwhit</td> <td align="left">Render</td> <td align="left">AT 4 / Ren 4 / BK 2 / TW 2</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="589" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">589</td> <td align="left">Antmeister</td> <td align="left">Neon Chaos</td> <td align="left">AT 4 / Ren 4 / BK 2 / TW 2 / NC 1</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="594" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">594</td> <td align="left">DaddyTorgo</td> <td align="left">UNVOTE</td> <td align="left">AT 4 / Ren 3 / BK 2 / TW 2 / NC 1</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="596" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">596</td> <td align="left">Barkeep</td> <td align="left">Neon Chaos</td> <td align="left">AT 4 / Ren 3 / BK 2 / TW 2 / NC 2</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="604" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">604</td> <td align="left">DaddyTorgo</td> <td align="left">Neon Chaos</td> <td align="left">AT 4 / Ren 3 / NC 3 / BK 2 / TW 2</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="610" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">610</td> <td align="left">Kwhit</td> <td align="left">Neon Chaos</td> <td align="left">AT 4 / NC 4 / Ren 2 / BK 2 / TW 2</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="611" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">611</td> <td align="left">Path12</td> <td align="left">Alan T</td> <td align="left">AT 5 / NC 4 / Ren 2 / BK 2 / TW 1</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="665" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">665</td> <td align="left">Path12</td> <td align="left">UNVOTE</td> <td align="left">AT 4 / NC 4 / Ren 2 / BK 2 / TW 1</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="673" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">673</td> <td align="left">Alan T</td> <td align="left">Tanglewood</td> <td align="left">AT 4 / NC 4 / Ren 2 / BK 2 / TW 2</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="679" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">679</td> <td align="left">Cartman</td> <td align="left">UNVOTE</td> <td align="left">NC 4 / AT 3 / Ren 2 / BK 2 / TW 2</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="681" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">681</td> <td align="left">Cartman</td> <td align="left">Barkeep</td> <td align="left">NC 4 / AT 3 / BK 3 / Ren 2 / TW 2</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="687" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">687</td> <td align="left">Path12</td> <td align="left">Tanglewood</td> <td align="left">NC 4 / AT 3 / BK 3 / TW 3 / Ren 2</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="704" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">704</td> <td align="left">Neon Chaos</td> <td align="left">Render</td> <td align="left">NC 4 / BK 3 / TW 3 / Ren 3 / AT 2</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="707" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">707</td> <td align="left">Render</td> <td align="left">UNVOTE</td> <td align="left">NC 4 / BK 3 / TW 3 / Ren 3 / AT 1</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="713" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">713</td> <td align="left">Neon Chaos</td> <td align="left">Tanglewood</td> <td align="left">NC 4 / TW 4 / BK 3 / Ren 2 / AT 1</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="719" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">719</td> <td align="left">DaddyTorgo</td> <td align="left">Tanglewood</td> <td align="left">TW 5 / NC 3 / BK 3 / Ren 2 / AT 1</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="728" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">728</td> <td align="left">Barkeep</td> <td align="left">Chief Rum</td> <td align="left">TW 5 / BK 3 / NC 2 / Ren 1 / AT 1 / CR 1</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="732" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">732</td> <td align="left">LoneStarGirl</td> <td align="left">Tanglewood</td> <td align="left">TW 6 / BK 3 / NC 2 / Ren 1 / AT 1 / CR 1</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="754" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">754</td> <td align="left">Alan T</td> <td align="left">Chief Rum</td> <td align="left">TW 5 / BK 3 / NC 2 / Ren 1 / CR 2 / AT 1</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="757" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">757</td> <td align="left">Render</td> <td align="left">Tanglewood</td> <td align="left">TW 6 / BK 3 / NC 2 / Ren 1 / CR 2 / AT 1</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="758" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">758</td> <td align="left">Path12</td> <td align="left">Chief Rum</td> <td align="left">TW 5 / BK 3 / CR 3 / NC 2 / Ren 1 / AT 1</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="759" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">759</td> <td align="left">DaddyTorgo</td> <td align="left">Chief Rum</td> <td align="left">TW 4 / CR 4 / BK 3 / NC 2 / Ren 1 / AT 1</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="769" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">769</td> <td align="left">Kwhit</td> <td align="left">Chief Rum</td> <td align="left">CR 5 / TW 4 / BK 3 / NC 1 / Ren 1 / AT 1</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="771" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">771</td> <td align="left">Neon Chaos</td> <td align="left">Chief Rum</td> <td align="left">CR 6 / TW 3 / BK 3 / NC 1 / Ren 1 / AT 1</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="779" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">779</td> <td align="left">Tanglewood</td> <td align="left">Chief Rum</td> <td align="left">CR 7 / TW 3 / BK 3 / NC 1 / Ren 1 / AT 1</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="780" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">780</td> <td align="left">Schmidty</td> <td align="left">Tanglewood</td> <td align="left">CR 7 / TW 4 / BK 3 / NC 1 / Ren 1 / AT 1</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="792" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">792</td> <td align="left">Chief Rum</td> <td align="left">Tanglewood</td> <td align="left">CR 7 / TW 5 / BK 3 / NC 1 / AT 1</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="794" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="18">794</td> <td align="left">Cartman</td> <td align="left">Chief Rum</td> <td align="left">CR 8 / TW 5 / BK 2 / NC 1 / AT 1</td> </tr> <tr> <td sdval="803" sdnum="2057;" align="right" bgcolor="#999999" height="17">803</td> <td align="left">Render</td> <td align="left">Chief Rum</td> <td align="left">CR 9 / TW 4 / BK 2 / NC 1 / AT 1</td> </tr> </tbody> </table>

[st.cronin]

Alan T has been murdered! He was the last of the Van Helsings.

day 4 has begun

[RendeR]

For me it has to be Render. Says practically nothing all day and then turns up at the end to try and defend Chief Rum. Then switches to Chief after it's patently clear he's a goner.


How did I defend CR?? All I ever asked for was a reason Why everyone leapt on him??

[tanglewood]

I kind of hoped it was true. I could have blocked it.

Thought you said you wouldn't reveal any mechanics? :confused: :p

[Alan T]

Woops! I so told Hoopsguy that would happen.

[Gonzo]

Alan T has been murdered! He was the last of the Van Helsings.

day 4 has begun

Guess I owe him an apology. :o

[Alan T]

Well good luck village! My wife will be happy now that I won't be here at deadline like i have been the past few days!

[Barkeep49]

You couldn't block yourself? Lame.

[st.cronin]

Wife? When did Alan get married?

[tanglewood]

Well Alan T going down figures. At least we get a wolf out of it and considering we still have the good scientist out there so still have one seer I think thta's not too bad a trade off for the village. Of course us having multiple seer-types could mean more wolves than usual, say 4 or more, in which case it looks a poorer swap for us.

[DaddyTorgo]

alan...i was looking at barkeep earlier because he kept pushing you and I strongly felt you were good...then I was the vote that pushed CR to a tie with TW, provided a lot of analysis in the afternoon, kept running vote-counts...i don't see where I've been wolfish

[Alan T]

Wife? When did Alan get married?

We did a while back after she got out of the rehab center. Wasn't anything huge. just a small thing. Figured after near death, changed our minds on some things.

[Gonzo]

VOTE RENDER

Guy shouts wolf at me.

[Barkeep49]

I agree that Render's voting record is highly suspect. Just as in the last game when a wolf cast what should have been the death blow against a non-wolf to save a wolf, here I feel Render cast what should have been the death blow against Tangle, except that all of a sudden Tangle doesn't have the most votes despite his late vote in that direction. This, combined with the tie forcing vote on Day 2, makes me like him a lot.

[Neon_Chaos]

The only guy I trust right now is KWhit. His and my vote to break the tie between CR and TW were made at approximately the same time. (Post #769 and 771)

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE RENDER

if we're getting things going on D4

[path12]

Let's all say "hooray we got a wolf" to avoid looking like one.

Well played.

[path12]

You're digging yourself a hole. I personally don't think you're a wolf, but you're not helping yourself tonight.

I thought it was funny. *shrug*

[path12]

VOTE RENDER

Just like day 2. I think he's a wolf.

[Neon_Chaos]

This is why I love vanilla games. Not as much dependence on the rules, but on gameplay. :)

[tanglewood]

Vote Chart

Green = Good, Red=Bad

Obviously, I am green in this chart.
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="20">Telle</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#b3b3b3">No Lynch</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left">Barkeep</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left">Barkeep</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="20">DaddyTorgo</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#b3b3b3">No Lynch</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left">Barkeep</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#ff0000">Chief Rum</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="20">RendeR</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00">Jonathan Ezarik</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left">Barkeep</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#ff0000">Chief Rum</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="20">Barkeep49</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#b3b3b3">No Lynch</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left">Neon Chaos</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#ff0000">Chief Rum</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="20">Cartman</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00">Jonathan Ezarik</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left">Neon Chaos</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#ff0000">Chief Rum</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="20">Schmidty</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left">Path12</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left">Neon Chaos</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00">Tanglewood</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00" height="20">Alan T</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#ff0000">Chief Rum</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left">Neon Chaos</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#ff0000">Chief Rum</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00" height="20">Jonathan Ezarik</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#b3b3b3">No Lynch</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#000000">
</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#000000">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" bgcolor="#ff0000" height="20">Chief Rum</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00">Jonathan Ezarik</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left">Antmeister</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00">Tanglewood</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="20">Kwhit</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00">Tanglewood</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left">Neon Chaos</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#ff0000">Chief Rum</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="20">Gonzo</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#b3b3b3">No Lynch</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00">Alan T</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00">Alan T</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="20">Neon Chaos</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="center" bgcolor="#000000">
</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left">DaddyTorgo</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#ff0000">Chief Rum</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00" height="20">Tanglewood</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00">Jonathan Ezarik</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00">Alan T</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#ff0000">Chief Rum</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="20">Dodgerchick </td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00">Jonathan Ezarik</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00">Lathum</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left">Barkeep</td> </tr> </tbody> </table>

[DaddyTorgo]

how do you label my vote for CR as "bad" tangle? that's mighty damm suspicious. I was there with barkeep discussing it...posting about it...my vote was the one that made it a 4-4 tie instead of tangle 5 and cr 4.

i'm looking at you now bub

[KWhit]

how do you label my vote for CR as "bad" tangle? that's mighty damm suspicious. I was there with barkeep discussing it...posting about it...my vote was the one that made it a 4-4 tie instead of tangle 5 and cr 4.

i'm looking at you now bub

No, he's saying you voted for a BAD GUY. It's a good thing.

[DaddyTorgo]

oh. LOL.

Now I get it. It's "who we voted for" not "is our vote subjectively bad/good"

I feel dumb. I take back what I said.

[KWhit]

Heh.

[Gonzo]

oh. LOL.

Now I get it. It's "who we voted for" not "is our vote subjectively bad/good"

I feel dumb. I take back what I said.

...hmmmm

[Schmidty]

...hmmmm

....hmmmmmm

[tanglewood]

....hmmmmmm

mmmmmmm....

http://www.ericlee.info/backonabike/donut.jpg

[Barkeep49]

Please note that I'm not asking anyone to do anything differently, but all of the pictures in this thread have forced me to use adblock extensively on completely non-ad related images just so I can make sure that the thread is clean enough for me to view in a public place when I'm at work.

[RendeR]

OK, so acording to my voting records listed above:

I am a lazy poster who votes with the majority on any given moment.

I tend to change votes during teh day based on the above.

How does this make me a wolf? If I WERE a wolf, would I make such moronic decisions and make SURE that I stuck out like a sore thumb? Hrm?

I've beena wolf once. In that game nobody even SNIFFED that I was a wolf until half the villagers were already dead and the other half were at one another's throats.

If I were actually a Wolf, you sure as hell wouldn't have a clue on day 3 ;)

[Antmeister]

You know, after the sequence of events that just occured, I am starting to side with you and AlanT. That last minute barrage does make you think. The fact that someone used something against AlanT makes me wonder if it were some sort of smokescreen to put our eyes on him. And now this anger for AlanT seems a bit odd. Right now, Chief Rum, LSG and Neon Chaos has me wondering about them.

Chief Rum is one of my candidates because he voted the odd man out. Not 100% sure on him, but suspicious.

LSG seems to want to pry the eyes away from Neon Chaos a little too hard. While I didn't understand the focus of his non-voting, I didn't understand why she began to mention that I had the same post count as him, because I might be next. I guess she doesn't realize there are others here with the same and that makes me wonder.

And the only reason why Neon Chaos suddenly became suspicious is that he could have easily changed his vote at the last moment, but I guess he didn't want to look too suspicious, so this barrage of votes for Barkeep came out of nowhere. Hmmmm.

Even though I didn't vote for Chief Rum in this round, I did suspect him and it looks like AlanT was innocent as I had mentioned earlier as well. So right now I am deciding between LSG and Neon Chaos. One or both has got to be a wolf. Just gotta be.

[JHandley]

Just got back home. Gotta catch up. Looks like it got pretty crazy there.

[Lathum]

that was fun :D

[Gonzo]

mmmmmmm....

http://www.ericlee.info/backonabike/donut.jpg

Go nuts for donuts.

[JHandley]

OK, so acording to my voting records listed above:

I am a lazy poster who votes with the majority on any given moment.

I tend to change votes during teh day based on the above.

How does this make me a wolf? If I WERE a wolf, would I make such moronic decisions and make SURE that I stuck out like a sore thumb? Hrm?

I've beena wolf once. In that game nobody even SNIFFED that I was a wolf until half the villagers were already dead and the other half were at one another's throats.

If I were actually a Wolf, you sure as hell wouldn't have a clue on day 3 ;)

Sometimes you people irritate the shit outta me. Whats the reasoning for the run on Cheif Rum? I'll jump in IF there is some good reason beyond retaliation for me to use.

Sorry folks but I don't vote for people just because they vote for me.

Mob mentality at its best.

UNVOTE TANGLEWOOD


VOTE CHIEF RUM



happier?


So, which one is it? Are you lazy, are you "irritated as shit", are you following the mob or are you a wolf?

I was on the fence about either you or Tangle for the day 3 vote and now I'm convinced.


VOTE RENDER

[Neon_Chaos]

Even though I didn't vote for Chief Rum in this round, I did suspect him and it looks like AlanT was innocent as I had mentioned earlier as well. So right now I am deciding between LSG and Neon Chaos. One or both has got to be a wolf. Just gotta be.

I ain't no wolf. After seeing the votes tied between CR and tanglewood (via AlanT's post #765), I was determined to not have the vote end in a tie. And I switched over to CR (not knowing KWhit also voted for CR at the same time). Why would I swing the voting against a wolf if I was one?

I have to say that Schmidty has gone under the radar lately.

[Schmidty]

I have to say that Schmidty has gone under the radar lately.

I'm always under the radar, and as I said before the game started, I wasn't going to be around much at all friday through tonight.

[Schmidty]

And I'm out again for a while.

[Gonzo]

And I'm out again for a while.

Were you ever "in"?

[Neon_Chaos]

Lets ensure a lynch:

VOTE TANGLEWOOD

Just to add to JHandley's post, before RendeR posted all that, he posted the above quote.

So his mentality went from

"Let's make sure that we get a lynch. Vote Tanglewood"

"Why is everyone switching over to CR? I don't see the logic."

"Let's make sure that we get a lynch. Vote CR"

Hmmm.

VOTE RENDER

[RendeR]

Just to add to JHandley's post, before RendeR posted all that, he posted the above quote.

So his mentality went from

"Let's make sure that we get a lynch. Vote Tanglewood"

"Why is everyone switching over to CR? I don't see the logic."

"Let's make sure that we get a lynch. Vote CR"

Hmmm.

VOTE RENDER

Lets correct something here, I never said ANYTHING about not seeing the logic of the Chief rum votes, I simply asked for a REASON. READ THE THREAD. Don't skim, don't scan, DO NOT PARAPHRASE> Read the F-ing thread.

I joined the crowd trying to ensure a lynch of SOMEONE on day 3 because we hadn't done so for two days.

I watched everyone, in a sudden fit of...random.org it seemed like, jump onto CR instead of what was at the time a majority on Tanglewood.

I ASKED WHY.

I got the response that based on Alan's reveal of being Van Helsing, everyone now believed Chief RUm was bad due to the night 1 PM.

I voted Chief Rum.

SOMEONE PLEASE explain to me how that is in ANY way wolfish?

WTF do you people want?

this is the reasoning behind my statement that you all irritate the shit out of me. There is no evidence, there is no support there is NO REASON to even consider me a wolf, yet I have 4 votes before day 4 even gets going?

Yer all wacked.

Lynch me, waste another day and go 1 for 4 lynching anyone useful.

[Schmidty]

Blade Jr.

Lets correct something here, I never said ANYTHING about not seeing the logic of the Chief rum votes, I simply asked for a REASON. READ THE THREAD. Don't skim, don't scan, DO NOT PARAPHRASE> Read the F-ing thread.

I joined the crowd trying to ensure a lynch of SOMEONE on day 3 because we hadn't done so for two days.

I watched everyone, in a sudden fit of...random.org it seemed like, jump onto CR instead of what was at the time a majority on Tanglewood.

I ASKED WHY.

I got the response that based on Alan's reveal of being Van Helsing, everyone now believed Chief RUm was bad due to the night 1 PM.

I voted Chief Rum.

SOMEONE PLEASE explain to me how that is in ANY way wolfish?

WTF do you people want?

this is the reasoning behind my statement that you all irritate the shit out of me. There is no evidence, there is no support there is NO REASON to even consider me a wolf, yet I have 4 votes before day 4 even gets going?

Yer all wacked.

Lynch me, waste another day and go 1 for 4 lynching anyone useful.

[Neon_Chaos]

I've been reading the thread again.

UNVOTE RENDER

Will follow up with a post.

[Neon_Chaos]

I've been reviewing Chief Rum's posts, and I think his attempt to pile votes on early against RendeR is a probably indication of RendeR's innocence.

Also, note these posts were WAAAAAAY before AlanT's reveal and he was quite safe from being voted off, which means that Chief's intentions of throwing blame at people just might be his true intentions.

Post #511
He offers this later.
He even calls ties stupid after tying it with his vote. :rolleyes:

Render is by far from being the only guilty party in this SNAFU, but he is a prominent part of it.

Post #521
Finally, tanglewood. This move is pretty much as bad as the tie votes put up by Render and AlanT. This is an actual chance to break the tie and undo the fiasco, and he actively throws his vote away on someone not in contention. tangle explains not voting for Neon, but then why not vote for Barkeep? And are his reasons for voting for Alan and keeping us in a tie good enough to avoid the head-to-head at the deadline?

It's another very suspicious move. The last ten minutes produced so many possible wolf candidates, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to sort it out before the game ends, and that's even assuming there's a wolf run involved here somewhere (hard to believe there's not, but I suppose it's possible this is five random villagers actively working earnestly at random for their own reasons, but unknowingly screwing the village in tandem).

Post #522
So most suspicious out of this...


AlanT (one of the two tying votes, including the last one; had suspicious PM although admittedly he's the one who made mention of it in the first place; also made a critical nonvote on Day One at the deadline, avoiding the head-to-head like tangle did on Day Two)

Render (switched from Neon to BK and created the first tie, later crediting this switch to his belief in Alan's anticipated vote--working in tandem?; voted right after Telle also made controversial vote)

tanglewood (could have broke the tie right at the deadline, but didn't)


Next group...


Telle (driveby vote that initiated the rush on Barkeep, which also saw Render play a part; she is down lower because her vote didn't tie it or fail to break it)

LSG (I can't give her credit for breaking the tie, because I don't think she was aware of it; made vote that was inconsistent with posted reason, when Alan wasn't an issue in the vote)


Next group...


JHandley, DaddyTorgo, Antmeister...you all posted within 15 mins of the deadline either before or after it. That means you were likely around and could have changed your votes. At least you three were on the principals involved.


Yesterday's candidates...


Neon Chaos (seems unlikely to be a wolf, but hasn't been helpful, and that's not much better--offers an excuse any of us could make, and even being on the other side of an ocean isn't unique, with tanglewood actively participating)

Barkeep (say what you want about the other reasons to take a stand on him, which are legit, but his late vote was entirely consistent with saving his own ass)

Post #574
Okay, I may be around later to change this, but I'm going to vote now and not get caught up in deadline voting unless I have to. Especially with two two-job days coming up after today (where I almost certainly will be checking in at or near deadline).

There are too many gut things to me that say Alan is not a wolf for me to ignore. The most plausible theory I have heard that he is a wolf is the one where he and BK are playing off of one another. It would be an amazing play, but those two are good enough and confident enough in themselves to try it.

But that's a low percentage shot, IMO. It's far more likely one or the other is a wolf. I don't think Alan is a wolf right now.

But I don't really like the BK angle either. There is more "evidence" against Alan than BK, IMO. With BK, it's all circumstantial, and strangely enough we have had this sort of evidence come up with BK before, too, and have it end up he was a villager (I am thinking two games ago, Alan's game). So I'm not leaning toward Barkeep right now either.

The group think seems to be to let Neon go because it's the weekend, and I would certainly turn away from "the useless villager" theory in favor of going after a wolf if we have that option. Neon gets a short leash, though, if we return from the weekend and he's just as unhelpful.

I can buy Alan's crossposting list of events for the deadline, so I won't vote to lynch tangle right now. Plus, I want to hear more from him about last night. But definitely someone I am keeping an eye on. Keep in mind, even if he failed to see LSG and Alan's final votes, he was still working with a tie between BK and Neon. LSG and Alan voted opposite of one another in the final tally.

I'm going to go with Render for now. His anticipating Alan's move still doesn't settle with me right. I believe there has to be a wolf in that group somewhere (at least one, if not more), so I'm going to go off my gut for now.

VOTE RENDER

I just want to say that I switched my vote to CR at the same time as KWhit did. It was a 4-4 tie at that time. I felt that there shouldn't be any tie, and in light of AlanT's reveal and subsequent explanation of how Day 1 happened, I actually thought I did the deciding vote, but KWhit beat me to it by seconds. The following is AlanT's post regarding the reveal.

Post # 657
Well, I really didn't want to reveal this as I feel its too early in the game. However with votes moving, I feel that it would be irresponsible of me to not reveal with enough time for people to get votes off of me. With Tanglewood stating he would vote for me, it looks likely that I am the marked person for tonight without this reveal.

I am Van Helsing. I get to protect someone every night. I am not going into any more detail about what I can and can't do as now obviously I have to play a game of chess with the wolves for the rest of the game.

Night 1: I tried to protect Chief Rum. I didn't get any information at all whatsoever as the rest of what happened is exactly as I said previously. I woke up remembering none of the previous evening. The reason I decided to reveal that part was my fear that if someone good did something to me, the lack of my mentioning it might be more suspicious than mentioning it. I honestly never considered any "slow conversion" Until Kwhit brought it up. The only thing that popped into my mind then and still I believe is true is either: A) Chief RUm did something or has some ability for me to not be able to protect him/guard him/watch him. B) Someone else used some form of inhibition on me.

Night 2: I won't say who I protected, but i will say what I saw. I don't want that person to come out and confirm things in any way at all. I saw PlayerX basically steal a handkerchief from Cartman (or maybe it was cartman's room. The PM wasn't very specific about it). PlayerX returned to their room and the light was on all night but no one ever came to visit them. My take on this is that PlayerX is the Good scientist, and I feel that due to this Cartman likely turned up as good (or at least not a wolf).

I've been trying to ride the fine line of not getting lynched for a while, but I in good conscience can not let myself be lynched for the sake of the village, so must reveal earlier than I wanted to. For a while today, I felt the momentum had turned and I could ride things out and not have to reveal. I no longer feel that way. There are 50 minutes left and plenty of you here. So there is plenty of time for you all to save me.

Do NOT vote for me.

I don't know what the conditions for PlayerX is. Is he the mad scientist? Did he turn Cartman? Is he a good guy? Is he a seer-type who knows if Cartman is good or evil? The handkerchief stealing is important.... perhaps to check if Cartman is a werewolf or not? I am not giving Cartman a pass just because of this. Whoever PlayerX is, I'm sure that when the right time comes, the appropriate reveal will come.

That said, I will have to go with someone who hasn't been under any suspicion and has gone completely UTR. It's been bugging me, but I think that he voted for me and just didn't move his vote anymore to keep away from the mess of votes yesterday.

VOTE ANTMEISTER

Good luck to us all.

[LoneStarGirl]

The only guy I trust right now is KWhit. His and my vote to break the tie between CR and TW were made at approximately the same time. (Post #769 and 771)

I would hope at least you trust Cartman, he should be on everybody's COT after Alant cleared him

[LoneStarGirl]

Damn Tanglewood, how long did this take you?

Vote Chart

Green = Good, Red=Bad

Obviously, I am green in this chart.
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="20">Telle</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#b3b3b3">No Lynch</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left">Barkeep</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left">Barkeep</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="20">DaddyTorgo</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#b3b3b3">No Lynch</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left">Barkeep</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#ff0000">Chief Rum</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="20">RendeR</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00">Jonathan Ezarik</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left">Barkeep</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#ff0000">Chief Rum</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="20">Barkeep49</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#b3b3b3">No Lynch</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left">Neon Chaos</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#ff0000">Chief Rum</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="20">Cartman</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00">Jonathan Ezarik</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left">Neon Chaos</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#ff0000">Chief Rum</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="20">Schmidty</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left">Path12</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left">Neon Chaos</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00">Tanglewood</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00" height="20">Alan T</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#ff0000">Chief Rum</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left">Neon Chaos</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#ff0000">Chief Rum</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00" height="20">Jonathan Ezarik</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#b3b3b3">No Lynch</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#000000">
</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#000000">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" bgcolor="#ff0000" height="20">Chief Rum</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00">Jonathan Ezarik</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left">Antmeister</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00">Tanglewood</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="20">Kwhit</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00">Tanglewood</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left">Neon Chaos</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#ff0000">Chief Rum</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="20">Gonzo</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#b3b3b3">No Lynch</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00">Alan T</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00">Alan T</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="20">Neon Chaos</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="center" bgcolor="#000000">
</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left">DaddyTorgo</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#ff0000">Chief Rum</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00" height="20">Tanglewood</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00">Jonathan Ezarik</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00">Alan T</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#ff0000">Chief Rum</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="20">Dodgerchick </td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00">Jonathan Ezarik</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left" bgcolor="#00ff00">Lathum</td> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);" align="left">Barkeep</td> </tr> </tbody> </table>

[LoneStarGirl]

Blade Jr.

LOL

[LoneStarGirl]

I wont be back till later guys... I only have two more days of umpiring then I have no other obligations

[Telle]

So right now I am deciding between LSG and Neon Chaos. One or both has got to be a wolf. Just gotta be.

Why?

[KWhit]

Good job Neon of looking through CR's posts. I am also inclined to looking at Antmeister today. At this point, I believe him to be a better choice than Render - mainly because CR was pushing for Render's lynch so early. I don't think CR would have made those statements if Render was a fellow wolf.

[cartman]

well, the reveal claim did put me in the spotlight a bit. I never got a PM telling me that something of mine as taken, so I'm not sure what to make of that. It also doesn't help at all with the mystery of identifying 'Player X'.

[Barkeep49]

Ok I'm willing to agree that CR's posts make it less likely that Render is a wolf. However, I think they don't exclude the possibility that Tangle is a wolf. I think all the reasons why he was a wolf yesterday might still be true today.

[Neon_Chaos]

I would hope at least you trust Cartman, he should be on everybody's COT after Alant cleared him

Cartman was NOT cleared.

AlanT only mentioned that he followed Player X and Player X probably scanned Cartman. AlanT only assumes that Cartman, and even player X, is innocent. His description of how things happened clears noone, but only says that Cartman has probably been scanned. I'm sure a reveal of Cartman's disposition is bound to happen soon.

As it is, I only trust KWhit right now. He made a deciding vote against a werewolf.

[Telle]

I think the description of someone taking an item from cartman's room and later returning it is consistent with the good scientist "[examining] the dna of one player". And it was a handkerchief, right? So that's an item likely to have some dna on it.

Now obviously this theory is far from bulletproof, but I'm willing to put cartman in the category of "likely a villager" based on it for the moment at least.

[Neon_Chaos]

Ok I'm willing to agree that CR's posts make it less likely that Render is a wolf. However, I think they don't exclude the possibility that Tangle is a wolf. I think all the reasons why he was a wolf yesterday might still be true today.

Do with the information as you please. I was just pointing out the avalanche of votes against RendeR (including mine) was rash and ill-advised.

I read back, and found that my basis and reasoning of voiting for RendeR was unjustified.

It's likely that there is probably one person in Chief's list that's a wolf. Perhaps if someone can go and check the voting tallies and cross-reference it with Chief's list of suspects, we can try and weed out the innocents.

3 days and Antmeister has had little to no input whatsoever, other than casting the odd vote here and there. My vote stays with him.

I'm going to bed. I'll try to check back in before the deadline. God speed.

[DaddyTorgo]

UNVOTE RendeR

thanks to Neon's detailed reading of CR's posts.

inclined to look at: ant, jhandley

tangle would be eh...not my first choice. looking at CR's long post where he names suspects can give us some ideas. no doubt he tried to sneak at least 1 fellow wolf onto the lower-half of that list somewhere (from telle on down to the bottom i mean). he wouldn't want to avoid mentioning them altogether in case that became a "theme" that we picked up on, but he would have to be pretty ballsy to put them in the top group. in that top group i think tangle is the one i'd most likely consider, just b/c the analysis of why he is in that top group is sparsest.

[Neon_Chaos]

I think the description of someone taking an item from cartman's room and later returning it is consistent with the good scientist "[examining] the dna of one player". And it was a handkerchief, right? So that's an item likely to have some dna on it.

Now obviously this theory is far from bulletproof, but I'm willing to put cartman in the category of "likely a villager" based on it for the moment at least.

I'm putting him in the "like has been scanned" category. Unless player x decides to unveil if he did scan cartman and prove that he was a villager, I'm not taking any chances getting him off the hook.

Sorry if this sounds vincidcative, cartman. It's just the nature of the game. :)

[Barkeep49]

DT: I'm not convinced that a player such as CR would only include a wolf in the lower half.

[KWhit]

CR made multiple posts commenting on the suspicious nature of Render and Tangle at a time when he had no heat on him at all. I tend to believe that makes Tangle and Render more likely to be villagers than wolves. I think we should look elsewhere today. Just not sure where yet.

[DaddyTorgo]

neon and i with the same thought at the same time there re: the list

lol

[DaddyTorgo]

like i said barkeep...i'm willing to consider that he would put a wolf in the top-category based on being cagey and going all second-level or third-level on us.

in that case I think in that group I'd go with tangle as the likely wolf, for the reasons I listed. He wouldn 't want to lay out too strong a case against that wolf for fear of turning someone onto them who wasn't already onto them, and of the 3 cases in that top group, tangle's is certainly the one with least explanation included

[DaddyTorgo]

plus...we know alan was good, and we are slowly all coming to the belief that render is likely good due to CR pushing him at a time when he wasn't necessarily on-the-block plus the rest of the analysis that has been done on it since last night

[RendeR]

First I'll apologize for my tone in my posts last night, I was tired and annoyed and frustrated and I'm sure it came through loud and clear.

Secondly a big thank you to neon Chaos for taking the time and interest to really look at the major accuser of mine and post a rundown of it. I appreciate the effort to be thorough.

[Telle]

So other than RendeR, who people are now backing off of thanks to Neon Chaos's investigation, the names I'm seeing tossed around are Antmeister and Tanglewood.

I've been viewing Tanglewood with suspicion since yesterday. Part of it for me was his suspicion of Alan T not being truthful when he revealed himself as Van Helsing. No real thoughts on Antmeister at this point.. other than he's been pretty quiet.

[KWhit]

As Neon posted earlier, this is one of the posts CR made yesterday before he had any heat on him:

Finally, tanglewood. This move is pretty much as bad as the tie votes put up by Render and AlanT. This is an actual chance to break the tie and undo the fiasco, and he actively throws his vote away on someone not in contention. tangle explains not voting for Neon, but then why not vote for Barkeep? And are his reasons for voting for Alan and keeping us in a tie good enough to avoid the head-to-head at the deadline?

It's another very suspicious move. The last ten minutes produced so many possible wolf candidates, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to sort it out before the game ends, and that's even assuming there's a wolf run involved here somewhere (hard to believe there's not, but I suppose it's possible this is five random villagers actively working earnestly at random for their own reasons, but unknowingly screwing the village in tandem).


I find it hard to believe he'd try that hard to throw suspicion on a fellow wolf. It's certainly not iron-clad, but I think it is a reason to hold off on voting for Tangle.

[path12]

Ok I'm willing to agree that CR's posts make it less likely that Render is a wolf. However, I think they don't exclude the possibility that Tangle is a wolf. I think all the reasons why he was a wolf yesterday might still be true today.


You were all over bulletsponge from the beginning last game, remember. Though I agree that CR's posts help Render some, I need to go back through his posts later and remember exactly what was bugging me day 1/early 2.

[path12]

First I'll apologize for my tone in my posts last night, I was tired and annoyed and frustrated and I'm sure it came through loud and clear.

We've all been there. No worries.

[JHandley]

I don't know how much credence should be given to CR's list of odd votes. If he had made that list and left Tangle and Render off the top two, the list would have looked awfully silly. Those two votes here huge in the no-lynch on day 2.

I'm willing to move off of RendeR for another good target, but I liked RendeR as a wolf before and nothing has changed that. He made a redundant comment early in the game bitching about only being a villager, he's made suspecious votes regardless of who pointed them out and so far his only defense has been that he's been playing too stupid to be a wolf.

[st.cronin]

official day 4 pics

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/5507/helsing1qm7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8012/2004vanhelsing010pi7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[tanglewood]

So other than RendeR, who people are now backing off of thanks to Neon Chaos's investigation, the names I'm seeing tossed around are Antmeister and Tanglewood.

I've been viewing Tanglewood with suspicion since yesterday. Part of it for me was his suspicion of Alan T not being truthful when he revealed himself as Van Helsing. No real thoughts on Antmeister at this point.. other than he's been pretty quiet.

Where did I say anywhere I was suspicious of Alan T's reveal as Van Helsing?

[Telle]

## quote of Alan's reveal ##

This is certainly plausible. I will wait for a bit before deciding what to do. Hopefully Cartman turns up and/or another Van Helsing will reveal before the deadline.

Post #672.

Looking back it's not as strongly worded as I had remembered.. and what I had in my notes was "not convinced that Alan is Van Helsing - #672".

[JHandley]

Gonzo was the guy that refused to believe Alan's reveal until the bitter end.

[RendeR]

I don't know how much credence should be given to CR's list of odd votes. If he had made that list and left Tangle and Render off the top two, the list would have looked awfully silly. Those two votes here huge in the no-lynch on day 2.

I'm willing to move off of RendeR for another good target, but I liked RendeR as a wolf before and nothing has changed that. He made a redundant comment early in the game bitching about only being a villager, he's made suspecious votes regardless of who pointed them out and so far his only defense has been that he's been playing too stupid to be a wolf.

Did you miss altogether or just discount out of hand my post regarding the votes?

I grant you that I've never been in a game with you so you have no frame of reference for my game play, but I complain regularly when I'm a villager because I get bored. While I could see a wolf trying to look all angsty-villager that way its not...I'm afraid if I ever were a wolf and I tried that angle it would stick out like the sore thumb I mentioned earlier and gt me killed.

My votes the entire game have been fairly late to deadline and for someone who at the time of my vote is already leading, so as to hopefully ensure a lynch and not get us stuck again.

The situation Day 2 is still weird, but honestly, read all the posts between alan and BK on day 2 and tell me you honestly didn't expect Alan to vote for Barkeep. I moved my vote fully expecting that to be his vote and the deadline was coming up. When he DIDN't vote BK I was as shocked as everyone else.

That is the only vote I think you can really say looks suspicious, but taken in context with what happened doesn't unless you want it to.

For today, I'll put my vote in early, subject to change based on any knowledge gained before deadline:

VOTE ANTMEISTER

Neon did some real digging on my behalf and I respect that he put the effort in. I see where his analysis is going and for now will vote with him.

[Telle]

Gonzo was the guy that refused to believe Alan's reveal until the bitter end.

Oh yeah, I definitely got him down for that: "doesn't believe Alan is Van Helsing #686". But I also don't know what to make of it. His playing style is just really different that everybody else's here.. and I'm thinking it's because he's new and maybe young? I dunno. Definitely someone to keep an eye on though.

[Gonzo]

Gonzo was the guy that refused to believe Alan's reveal until the bitter end.

It seemed a little strange to me, but I admit I was (obviously) wrong. Might be because it's my first game.

UNVOTE RENDER
VOTE ANTMEISTER

While Render did look like a good bet for a wolf early on, the analysis of Chief Rum's votes show that it's unlikely him. Then there was Alan T saying Render was "too" obviously a wolf, just before he was eaten.

[JHandley]

After a more reasoned defense from RendeR, I'm willing to take my vote off him. I'd like to see more evidence on Ant before placing my vote there, tho.

I'm all for voting off utr and inactive villagers, I was all over Neon for that very reason, but I'd like to see some reasons given before creating a place for wolves to hide votes.

UNVOTE RENDER

[DaddyTorgo]

i miss alan

[DaddyTorgo]

Neon's picked it up quite well lately...as he said he would

UNVOTE RendeR

(i think i already have, but just in case)

leaning towards...tangle or ant

[Telle]

In case anybody is interested.. current vote count:

2 - Antmeister - Neon Chaos, Gonzo
1 - RendeR - path12

[Lorena]

VOTE LONESTARGIRL

[JHandley]

VOTE LONESTARGIRL

Any reason?

[Gonzo]

VOTE LONESTARGIRL

Explaination?

[Lorena]

Nope, doesn't matter anyway. I did something really stupid and I'm just not into the game.

[LoneStarGirl]

Nope, doesn't matter anyway. I did something really stupid and I'm just not into the game.

If you aren't really into the game then ask Cronin to replace you with somebody who would be.

And I understand the heat on Antmeister but why isn't anybody looking at Gonzo again? I think today should be a runoff between those two guys

[LoneStarGirl]

I am going to go ahead and put my vote on Gonzo right now... I have 4 more games left to umpire today and I dont know when I will be back, but I do know it should be before deadline. If something changes between now and then I will come back and change my vote

vote Gonzo

[JHandley]

If you aren't really into the game then ask Cronin to replace you with somebody who would be.

And I understand the heat on Antmeister but why isn't anybody looking at Gonzo again? I think today should be a runoff between those two guys

Can you explain the heat on Ant other than being quiet?

I'm not looking at Gonzo because I can understand his concern. I thought how Alan choose to get the conversation started on his first night action was very suspecious. I do think Gonzo kept his teeth in on Alan for too long, but, just like I thought with Barkeep, I thought there was legitimate reason to look long and hard at Alan. Is there anything else about Gonzo that you think makes him look bad?

[LoneStarGirl]

the one thing that has been bothering me about Gonzo is he is irritating. The things he has said is just really weird to me and I have never played with the guy, so I think he needs to be looked at more thoroughly. There are a couple of posts that just were weird. And it seemed everybody believe Alant was Van Helsing besides Gonzo and I kind of took it as a wolf who didn't want to jump on the Alant bandwagon because he knew the last people to jump on would be analyzed... so he kind of made a scene about not voting for him.

Maybe I am wrong, but that is what I got out of it

[Gonzo]

Nope, doesn't matter anyway. I did something really stupid and I'm just not into the game.

Yeah, that incident. Well if you want to be lynched I'll happily vote for you.

UNVOTE ANTMEISTER
VOTE DODGERCHICK

[Gonzo]

the one thing that has been bothering me about Gonzo is he is irritating. The things he has said is just really weird to me and I have never played with the guy, so I think he needs to be looked at more thoroughly. There are a couple of posts that just were weird. And it seemed everybody believe Alant was Van Helsing besides Gonzo and I kind of took it as a wolf who didn't want to jump on the Alant bandwagon because he knew the last people to jump on would be analyzed... so he kind of made a scene about not voting for him.

Maybe I am wrong, but that is what I got out of it

If I was a wolf, why did I stick with my Alan T vote rather than jumping on Tanglewood to save my packmate Chief Rum?

[st.cronin]

Yeah, that incident. Well if you want to be lynched I'll happily vote for you.



I had asked the parties involved to keep the 'incident' out of the thread, but it seems that its too late. Here's what happened: Dodgerchick responded to the group pm titled "important," thinking, based on other information she had, that that pm indicated that she was a wolf. She responded to the following people, thinking they were all wolves: tanglewood, gonzo, neon_chaos.

As I told those three, considering the circumstances, it is as plausible to jump to the conclusion that she's a villager as it is to conclude that she's a wolf. I don't believe this situation has affected the game, and I don't believe it will. Nevertheless, DC has asked to be removed from the game, and I'm trying to find a replacement, although I hope she changes her mind.

I apologize for the mix-up, it is entirely my fault, not DC's.

[Telle]

Soooo... now we all just pretend we didn't see that and move on :)

Current vote count:

1 - RendeR - path12
1 - Antmeister - Neon Chaos
1 - LoneStarGirl - Dodgerchick
1 - Gonzo - LoneStarGirl
1 - Dodgerchick - Gonzo

[st.cronin]

Oliegirl is replacing Dodgerchick.

[st.cronin]

dola, I'm not counting Dodgerchick's vote. Oliegirl will have to make her own vote.

[Telle]

Welcome Oliegirl.. good luck catching up with 20 pages of posts! :)

Vote count reflecting personnel changes:

1 - RendeR - path12
1 - Antmeister - Neon Chaos
1 - Gonzo - LoneStarGirl
1 - Oliegirl - Gonzo

[Barkeep49]

Olie! Good to have you back!

[JHandley]

Updated vote count after Cronin's ruling that DC's vote won't be counted:

1 - RendeR - path12
1 - Antmeister - Neon Chaos
1 - Gonzo - LoneStarGirl

[oliegirl]

Hey guys! Just checking in...if someone wants to help me and give the "reader's digest" version of what has been going on that would be great. I'm going to skim through all 20 pages of posts but any additional info would be awesome.

:)

[JHandley]

nevermind, I misread the vote count. It's still:

1 - RendeR - path12
1 - Antmeister - Neon Chaos
1 - Gonzo - LoneStarGirl
1 - Oliegirl - Gonzo

[Telle]

Hey guys! Just checking in...if someone wants to help me and give the "reader's digest" version of what has been going on that would be great. I'm going to skim through all 20 pages of posts but any additional info would be awesome.

:)

Day 1: no lynch, Jonathan Ezarik killed by wolves
Day 2: tie between Neon Chaos and Barkeep49 yields no lynch, Lathum killed by wolves
Day 3: Alan T reveals he is Van Helsing, lynch Chief Rum - and he's a wolf!, Alan T is killed by wolves

[JHandley]

Oliegirl, it's also important to note that we had a lot of utr and absentee voting and opinions due to the weekend. The game started early and a lot of people (unlike myself) have things to do during the weekend ;)<br>

[Telle]

Hmmm.. I have to leave work at 4 and I have no idea if I'll be back before deadline. I was hoping to vote before I leave.. but right now we have four spread out votes and no conversation going on, so that's certainly not helping me make a decision!

[KWhit]

I took a little time to compile all of Ant's posts here as I was looking at him for a possible vote candidate. I'm not sure what I think now. He hasn't posted much and been very UTR, but has made a couple of slight references in support of Alan and against Chief Rum, so now I'm not sure... I post this so others can analyze if so inclined, but as of right now I'm still undecided on him.



Post 194:

No clouds here, unless you are talking about the weather in that far off land called Austin, TX.

I have finally read some of this thread and my vote:
VOTE NO LYNCH

There is just no way for me to know who is who at this point and I don't want to randomly pick off someone.

Post 397:

Well anyone is free to scan me. And at this point, I still don't have much information to go on. However, I would have to agree with Lathum about the aggressiveness of Barkeep's accusations. So I will go ahead and:

Vote Barkeep

Post 453 (Responding to DaddyTorgo who said "That's an interesting fustercluck there"):

That's an understatement. I am not quite sure why people are so strong on Neon Chaos. There is nothing in his verbage that seems out of line, yet Barkeep is all over the place. Hmmmm.

Post 486 (Responding to Barkeep):

You know, after the sequence of events that just occured, I am starting to side with you and AlanT. That last minute barrage does make you think. The fact that someone used something against AlanT makes me wonder if it were some sort of smokescreen to put our eyes on him. And now this anger for AlanT seems a bit odd. Right now, Chief Rum, LSG and Neon Chaos has me wondering about them.

Chief Rum is one of my candidates because he voted the odd man out. Not 100% sure on him, but suspicious.

LSG seems to want to pry the eyes away from Neon Chaos a little too hard. While I didn't understand the focus of his non-voting, I didn't understand why she began to mention that I had the same post count as him, because I might be next. I guess she doesn't realize there are others here with the same and that makes me wonder.

And the only reason why Neon Chaos suddenly became suspicious is that he could have easily changed his vote at the last moment, but I guess he didn't want to look too suspicious, so this barrage of votes for Barkeep came out of nowhere. Hmmmm.

Post 589:
The way I currently see it is that Neon Chaos was possibly a wolf and there was a last minute barrage to turn the vote elsewhere. I am glad that AlanT illustrated all the votes that came within that short window of time, because I am becoming really suspicious.

Vote Neon Chaos.

Damn it, he has to at least be a mad scientist.


Post 897:

Even though I didn't vote for Chief Rum in this round, I did suspect him and it looks like AlanT was innocent as I had mentioned earlier as well. So right now I am deciding between LSG and Neon Chaos. One or both has got to be a wolf. Just gotta be.

[oliegirl]

I've been catching up, but I have a meeting to get into in the next 10 minutes...I'll be back on later though. I don't feel that I should say anything until I'm done reading through the posts...

[Schmidty]

I just woke up (I work graveyard at the local newspaper), and about to go eat lunch, but I'll be back in an hour or two to catch up.

[Telle]

Ok, so out of the four candidates currently with votes.. don't want to vote off Oliegirl when she's just started, and looks like the momentum has swung off of RendeR.. so that leaves Antmeister and Gonzo. Not feeling anything definitive on either one of them, so I'll just pick one to make sure I get a vote in..

VOTE GONZO

[path12]

I just went through all RendeR's posts.

UNVOTE RENDER

On reflection I don't see what I thought I saw before.

[JHandley]

I agree the vote seems to be between Gonzo and Ant. To try to get some conversation started I'm going to vote for Ant. <br><br>Reading back through Ant's posts, he's made some odd leaps of logic and pushed some weird ideas through. He sided with BK and Alan and they were argueing against each other.<br><br>Gonzo has been acting odd as well, but for the moment I'm willing to write it off as simply having blinders on for his first instinct.<br><br><br><b>VOTE ANTMEISTER</b><br><br><br>

[oliegirl]

This is actually how I am leaning...after reading through most of the thread, Antmeister seems to be flip flopping alot and some of the things he said I just didn't see the reasoning behind. I'm not officially voting yet, and am certainly open to discussion but this is where I'm at right now.

[DaddyTorgo]

i've been following along. my day ended up a lot busier than expected (i just had lunch at 4pm), so i will have some thoughts and vote when i get home.

[KWhit]

VOTE ANTMEISTER

After thinking this through, I think Ant is a better play than Gonzo or Render. I don't have a strong feeling of guilt from anyone else yet either, so for now my vote goes to Ant.

[cartman]

I agree that Ant has been strangely quiet. I've seen him lurking in the thread, so it is not like he hasn't been around. Let's try to draw him out.

VOTE ANTMEISTER

[oliegirl]

VOTE ANTMEISTER

[tanglewood]

I have it at 7 for Antmeister and 2 for Gonzo. 4 votes in a row for Antmeister and 7 of the last 9.

[JHandley]

We are no where.

[path12]

Gotta say, I don't get the Antmeister thing at all. I'm sticking with the guy who ensured the no lynch day 2. I don't think Chief's posts about him clear him at all.

VOTE TANGLEWOOD

[RendeR]

People are missing my vote for antmeister in post #939

[DaddyTorgo]

jeezus. Pile on Ant

[st.cronin]

Vote count:

7 - Antmeister - Neon_Chaos (910), RendeR (939), Gonzo (941), JHandley (973), KWhit (976), cartman (977), oliegirl (978)
2 - Gonzo - LoneStarGirl (951), Tele (971)
1 - oliegirl - Gonzo (954)
1 - tanglewood - path12 (981)

[RendeR]

jeezus. Pile on Ant

it is a bit much, but there are no compelling arguments for anyone really. I followed neon's vote because he did some digging and showed some proactivity. I trust him for the time being because his digging pulled my ass from the noose, so I'll follow his lead for now.

I'm open to hearing compelling evidence for others, but nothing has been forthcoming.

[JHandley]

This should be a lesson for future games. If you don't get a mindless Day 1 lynching, you get a mindless day 4 lynching.

[RendeR]

This should be a lesson for future games. If you don't get a mindless Day 1 lynching, you get a mindless day 4 lynching.

day 1, Day 4, Days 2,3,5,6,7,8 etc, whats the difference? ;)

[JHandley]

That's what I'm saying. We're just making up for lost time today. ;)

[tanglewood]

Okay, based on the way voting panned out last night I am now working on the assumption that Path12 and Barkeep are both good guys, which for now I think is a reasonable position to take. Chief had little heat on him at the time of the switch, which was suggested by Barkeep, not Alan, and those two along with Alan were the first to move. Daddy Torgo is also partially in the clear as he made the tying vote and moved off me, so he gets credit, though not as much because he didn;t instigate it. Once it was tied, and a given that I would vote for Chief as already stated I would if it could save me so really Chief was already in the lead, votes carry less value, merely making sure there would be no tie. The final two votes, Cartman and Render I would say are almost worthless for voting record purposes, turning a 7-4 into a 9-4.

So if we go back and look at voting with the following scenario:

Tanglewood, Lathum, Alan T, Jonathan Ezarik = 100% clear
Path12, Barkeep, DaddyTorgo = 80% clear
Chief Rum = Bad

Then look at the voting charts I see one player who jumps out at me: Cartman.

On day he one votes early for Jonathan Ezarik, known human, when the vote was JE 2 / Dodgerchick 1 / Telle 1, to give JE the lead by two clear votes. It is very common on Day 1 for someone to build any kind of voting momentum and be a runaway lynchee, so at the time Cartman put the third vote on JE it was IMHO very likely he would be killed that day. Day two, he votes for Neon Chaos when the votes were Neon 4 / Alan T 2 / Barkeep 2 and a few others on one, placing the fifth vote to give NC the lead by three. We don't know anything about Neon at this stage for sure, but I think he is a likely villager (just on a hunch level, not on the p12, barkeep level). Day three, comes out and votes for Alan T, confirmed goog guy, when the vote is 3-1 in his favour versus Barkeep (cites "voting patterns", presumably the non-barkeep vote at the end of day 2). After Alan's reveal switches to Barkeep, likely good guy, with no explaination. Late in the day he places the 8th vote on Chief rum when he is already 7-4 up with literally minutes to the deadline. Today he placed the sixth vote on Antmeister to put him 6-2 ahead. Cartman has consistently been voting with the majority, only one time not voting for the player in the lead at the time, when he switched of the leader Alan T immediately after the reveal, while offering no real new analysis or suspects. He has also been voting for people who I either believe are clear (Barkeep, Alan T, Jonathan Ezarik) or have no particular reason to suspect (Neon Chaos, Antmeister).

It is difficult to read too much into vote patterns at the moment. Usually by day 4 we have two more people dead so more confirmed information about voting records. As it is we have 4 dead players instead of 6 so this is a like a Day 3 lynch on Day 4. So with not much to go on I will for now

Vote Cartman

[Antmeister]

Wow! Lots of votes here for me, but let me look back.

[DaddyTorgo]

that sounds compelling to me tangle

VOTE CARTMAN

[DaddyTorgo]

and yes. I know that follows the "quote something long and agree" school

but i'm not going to add to the pile on ant, whether or not he's guilty, because i'm good and that just makes me look bad.

And tangle's argument for cartman has some weight to it.

[Schmidty]

Gotta say, I don't get the Antmeister thing at all. I'm sticking with the guy who ensured the no lynch day 2. I don't think Chief's posts about him clear him at all.

VOTE TANGLEWOOD

I agree with this for various reasons, but I don't really feel comfortable voting for anyone with the scant amount of evidence we have today (unlike yesterday), although I know I will have to eventually here.

[Telle]

Vote count:

7 - Antmeister - Neon_Chaos (910), RendeR (939), Gonzo (941), JHandley (973), KWhit (976), cartman (977), oliegirl (978)
2 - Gonzo - LoneStarGirl (951), Tele (971)
1 - oliegirl - Gonzo (954)
1 - tanglewood - path12 (981)


You have Gonzo voting for both Antmeister and oliegirl. The vote for oliegirl is the later vote.

[tanglewood]

Times voted for

<table border="0" cellspacing="0" cols="2" frame="void" rules="none"> <colgroup><col width="86"><col width="86"></colgroup> <tbody> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="33" width="86">Neon</td> <td sdval="12" sdnum="2057;" align="right" width="86">12</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="18">Tangle</td> <td sdval="12" sdnum="2057;" align="right">12</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="18">RendeR</td> <td sdval="11" sdnum="2057;" align="right">11</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="18">Chief Rum</td> <td sdval="10" sdnum="2057;" align="right">10</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="18">Antmeister</td> <td sdval="9" sdnum="2057;" align="right">9</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="18">Barkeep</td> <td sdval="9" sdnum="2057;" align="right">9</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="18">Alan T</td> <td sdval="8" sdnum="2057;" align="right">8</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="18">JE</td> <td sdval="6" sdnum="2057;" align="right">6</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="18">Telle</td> <td sdval="2" sdnum="2057;" align="right">2</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="18">Gonzo</td> <td sdval="2" sdnum="2057;" align="right">2</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="18">Cartman</td> <td sdval="2" sdnum="2057;" align="right">2</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="18">DC / OG</td> <td sdval="1" sdnum="2057;" align="right">1</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="18">Lathum</td> <td sdval="1" sdnum="2057;" align="right">1</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="18">Path12</td> <td sdval="0" sdnum="2057;" align="right">0</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="18">DaddyT</td> <td sdval="1" sdnum="2057;" align="right">1</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="18">Jhandley</td> <td sdval="0" sdnum="2057;" align="right">0</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="18">LSG</td> <td sdval="0" sdnum="2057;" align="right">0</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="18">Kwhit</td> <td sdval="0" sdnum="2057;" align="right">0</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-width: 1px 5px 1px 1px;" align="left" height="18">Schmidty</td> <td sdval="0" sdnum="2057;" align="right">0</td> </tr> </tbody> </table>

[Schmidty]

and yes. I know that follows the "quote something long and agree" school

but i'm not going to add to the pile on ant, whether or not he's guilty, because i'm good and that just makes me look bad.

And tangle's argument for cartman has some weight to it.

Well, I wouldn't worry about that. I am the first one to admit that I'm not the best WW strategist by any means, so I think posts like tanglewood are a good thing, because they give me something to think about other than my own "feeling" suspicions. I think tangle's post has merit, and would like to hear more discussion about it, so:

Vote cartman

[tanglewood]

Path12 should have one vote in his column too.

Yeah it's not very useful on the surface, but I'm a bit lost right now and am just throwing stuff around in my mind and seeing what fits together.

You can spin that list both ways.

a) People at the top are more likely to be wolves, as more people have voted for them because they are acting suspiciously.

b) People at the bottom are more likely to be wolves, as wolves are less likely to vote for fellow wolves (until they've been outed), so they have a smaller pool of potential players to vote for them.

But of course, it could just be useless. :)

[path12]

Interesting analysis. But how do you square that with Alan seeing player X visit and take something from Cartman night 2?

If he had come up a wolf, whoever viewed him would likely have stated it by now.

[Antmeister]

Well I will try to defend myself by showing what the apparent werewolf was trying to do to me.

Slow conversion, people? Come on, do you all really believe that bull? It's not like that is a common action in WW games. I hardly think we should leap to it here. Alan had a visitor last night. We don't know if that person was good or bad. Alan hasn't said he isn't the same as yesterday or that his status has changed. So I say we have very little good reason to lynch him today.

I defintiely don't like BK arguing against AlanT on the grounds he is when he voted No Lynch, and was very anti-lynch all day. I'm not saying he can't argue it, but it just seems hypocritical and has less impact because of that. I mean, if BK really wanted Alan to lynch JE, he could have made it possible himself by switching his own vote.

That said, I am staying out of this one. I don't think either Alan or BK or wolves. We need to wait another night and see if someone else comes out with the same information.

I am leaning toward the useless villager ploy, but there are too many votes on Neon Chaos. We'll learn more in a closer vote. So I'm putting my vote on the other UTR player.

VOTE ANTMEISTER

Well here is his first vote against me. This made me suspicious because I couldn't understand the reasoning since there were other potentials at the time who could have been wolves. However it was early and I wasn't sure what to think about it.


lol...side with Barkeep and AlanT? You realize, they have pretty much been at opposites to one another the whole game, right?

Now, as to the rest of your post, while I agree with your opening premise regarding the possibility that AlanT's little PM might be a red herring (I mean, not a wolf thing), you go haywire after that. First thing, with your suspicion on me, I don't really understand what you're getting it. I voted for you as the other UTR type of player (like Neon Chaos), because I felt we needed another candidate and didn't like the early run on Neon Chaos. I wanted to be sure it wasn't a runaway where wolves could hide in a bandwagon. At the time, there was no momentum for BK, and Neon was the only candidate seriously at risk at that moment. I'm not really objecting to your point of view (yet), because I just don't have a clue what you're referring to by me voting "the odd man out", as you say. If you could clarify, I would appreciate it.

And your last paragraph about Neon seems to suggest he was around and didn't change his vote. And actually, he wasn't around at all from what I can see. Just like yesterday, he just flat missed the vote.

If I were a wolf, he wouldn't have a need to expound on my statement. However after looking back at this, I am less likely going with Neon as a wolf since he was going after him hard as you will see below.

lol, I did forget about that. Looks like I wasn't alone. That's a pretty crappy way to vote, too. Now I remember why there was a run on him in the first place. Why on Earth were there enough votes on a contributing Barkeep to keep us from voting out Neon for missing a vote, and randomizing a Day Two vote and not posting or participating? At least I have the excuse of not being around at the deadline. What are your excuses (that's to everyone around at deadline, not to Telle)?

....and in this keep he seemed very concerned about keeping Barkeep alive. So now it make me wonder about Barkeep again, which was one of my earlier votes.

Okay, I have finally caught up to myself.

I cannot believe you guys allowed us to go into a tie. Inexcusable. Going one day without a lynch is bad enough, but two?

And as I pointed out in the post before this, the right candidate was on the block in Neon Chaos, on the useless villager reasoning, which was a heck of a lot more than we had on anyone else as a potential wolf. If I had foreseen this nonsense, no way do I vote for Antmeister. But how could I have seen this coming?

I'm going to review the sequence of votes at the end, but I already have a couple people in mind that I think really made some odd, awful decisions here.

And I mostly likely looked at that last minute barrage in the wrong way. Once again, Chief Rum is just going after Neon Chaos and excuses himself for voting against me which would have been a deciding vote. Now I am still not 100% sure if this was a ploy, but I am definitely over 60% sure that possibly Neon Chaos is a villager.


This makes it 6-4 Neon Chaos. Sensible self-preservation vote. Just noting the sequence of votes here. There have been two votes now since Alan's vote update at 9:18 (which seems to be accurate other than Neon's missed vote on DT, but even if it was off a lot, that's the last tally everyone would have been going off of at this point).

Here he goes after Neon again.

I don't know how much blame to assess here. I know LSG was under the gun, and I doubt she was aware of the tally. She says she hadn't read pages 8 and 9, and there were several votes there.

The problem I see here is her reason for voting BK is to keep Alan around, but Alan only had one vote on him at the time. No pressure here at all. So why does he figure in a choice between BK and Neon?

I would see this as a good vote if LSG knew she was breaking a tie in favor of BK (6-5 BK at this point) and ensuring us a lynch (you would think), but I think it's clear she doesn't know at all at this point. So I'm not going to give her credit for the move.

And here is his excuse for LSG which I still retain has to be in with the wolves.

So most suspicious out of this...


AlanT (one of the two tying votes, including the last one; had suspicious PM although admittedly he's the one who made mention of it in the first place; also made a critical nonvote on Day One at the deadline, avoiding the head-to-head like tangle did on Day Two)

Render (switched from Neon to BK and created the first tie, later crediting this switch to his belief in Alan's anticipated vote--working in tandem?; voted right after Telle also made controversial vote)

tanglewood (could have broke the tie right at the deadline, but didn't)


Next group...


Telle (driveby vote that initiated the rush on Barkeep, which also saw Render play a part; she is down lower because her vote didn't tie it or fail to break it)

LSG (I can't give her credit for breaking the tie, because I don't think she was aware of it; made vote that was inconsistent with posted reason, when Alan wasn't an issue in the vote)


Next group...


JHandley, DaddyTorgo, Antmeister...you all posted within 15 mins of the deadline either before or after it. That means you were likely around and could have changed your votes. At least you three were on the principals involved.


Yesterday's candidates...


Neon Chaos (seems unlikely to be a wolf, but hasn't been helpful, and that's not much better--offers an excuse any of us could make, and even being on the other side of an ocean isn't unique, with tanglewood actively participating)

Barkeep (say what you want about the other reasons to take a stand on him, which are legit, but his late vote was entirely consistent with saving his own ass)

Ugh...more protection for Barkeep and although he mentions LSG and the 2nd tiered suspect, she has an excuse again.

So right now, after looking back on the posts from Cheif Rum (who has already been identified as a wolf), I will have to say it is either Barkeep or LSG.

[path12]

BTW Tangle, even though I'm voting for you now I do appreciate the charts you've done. :)