Werewolf LXXII: Chess (Checkmate!)

[Lathum]

sounds to me like Cronin is trying to get a valuable villager role lynched and then saying "oops, I guess I was wrong."

[jeheinz72]

that not it either.

Then you're going to have to spell it out for me since I'm at a loss (and evidently not that smart).:D

[Abe Sargent]

Morning all, let me get caught up.

[jeheinz72]

sounds to me like Cronin is trying to get a valuable villager role lynched and then saying "oops, I guess I was wrong."

Yeah, at the very least he's made it so Jackal is now going to have to reveal his board position and that of his entire team.

[st.cronin]

This is where Jackal claims he can see 8 pieces:

Eight, seven of which are white.

Path then asks how many of those are pawns, and Jackal replies:

Six, and I think there are three different players in there. Why do you ask?

I consulted with my board, took a guess as to where The Jackal is, and discovered that he is claiming to be able to see a piece that he can't see. Possibly an innocent mistake, but combined with everything else, he jumps to the top of my suspect list.

[mccollins]

I don't want to give away my role, but trust me, he is claiming to see a piece that he can't see.

Is that because you think he's still in his starting position?

[st.cronin]

Is that because you think he's still in his starting position?

No, The Jackal is at F3. I know his position.

[The Jackal]

Uh, I moved out of my starting position, and I did not lie about what pieces I can see.

[The Jackal]

I can see five of my own pawns, an enemy pawn, and my king and queen. What's wrong with this?

[st.cronin]

Crap, double checked my board and I had an error. Never mind.

[mccollins]

No, The Jackal is at F3. I know his position.
True.

[Abe Sargent]

I was saying that you may not even be the white knight. If you're a wolf and if the other white knight were a wolf, you could still have made your reveal knowing it wouldn't be disputed.

It could be disputed by his partner. If The Jackal were, say, the Black Bishop, and he claimed the White Knight, because the other White Knight and him were both wolves, then wouldn't the other Black Bishop have something to say about that?

[path12]

dola

I'm only curious because I don't want to give too much info away about board placement in case you're trying to get the upperhand for the black team - though I've in no way really revealed where my teammates are, persay.

Because I want to try and verify that you are who you say you are, because I see the white knight. FWIW, it sounds like you are.

[mccollins]

Crap, double checked my board and I had an error. Never mind.

But in the process you drew out some information on how some pieces have moved. Your work is done, right? ;)

[KWhit]

Clearly you have not understood what I have written. I was on KWhit yesterday because he hemmed and hawed on whether he wanted the player he was voting for to actually be lynched. That, to me, is classic wolf behavior - "I'm voting for this player, but I don't really think they're a wolf, but we have to have a lynch, and I have to vote for somebody, blah blah blah." That was what I was getting from KWhit yesterday.

That is not even close to what I was saying yesterday. Once again you are mis-characterizing my position.

And coming out so accusatory with Jackal:

I don't want to give away my role, but trust me, he is claiming to see a piece that he can't see.

And then saying:


I consulted with my board, took a guess as to where The Jackal is, and discovered that he is claiming to be able to see a piece that he can't see.


That makes it sound like you're convinced that he's lying, but you're just guessing. Sounds like you're trying to get a Knight lynched.

[Lathum]

Crap, double checked my board and I had an error. Never mind.

hhhhmmmmm

how convenient.

[path12]

I consulted with my board, took a guess as to where The Jackal is, and discovered that he is claiming to be able to see a piece that he can't see. Possibly an innocent mistake, but combined with everything else, he jumps to the top of my suspect list.

According to my board, what he's said makes sense. I can't see the entire range he can, but based on what I do see he's been accurate.

[Lathum]

I confused as hell.

how does anyone have any clue where soeone is at on the board?

[The Jackal]

I assume cronin made an innocent mistake, like the one he accused me of, but I could see it as a big WHOOPS for a wolf. Not sure if it's enough for my vote yet, but I'm listening to what you guys think.

[path12]

I assume cronin made an innocent mistake, like the one he accused me of, but I could see it as a big WHOOPS for a wolf. Not sure if it's enough for my vote yet, but I'm listening to what you guys think.

I wish he wouldn't have drawn the extra information out of you but what's done is done. Whether or not it's a wolf move is something I'm undecided about, but I could certainly see making that 'oops' play if I was bad.

[st.cronin]

UNVOTE THE JACKAL

[KWhit]

Wow. I know a LOT more about the white team than I did before about 20 posts ago.

[path12]

I confused as hell.

how does anyone have any clue where soeone is at on the board?

You need to move.

[st.cronin]

That is not even close to what I was saying yesterday. Once again you are mis-characterizing my position.


Can we get beyond yesterday? I have already said I was wrong, I was simply trying to explain to Lathum what I was thinking - I am not STILL thinking that.

[The Jackal]

I'm sorry if I gave out too much information, team, but I didn't specify where you guys are, though now that my position is out there people on the other team could probably try to place us - but hey, we're all able to move every turn anyways, so I think it's alright.

[st.cronin]

I guess I go back to Lathum:

VOTE LATHUM

[st.cronin]

I agree white is not really harmed by the information flow.

[path12]

Wow. I know a LOT more about the white team than I did before about 20 posts ago.

My fault. I was trying to be more circumspect than it turned out to be. :(

[Abe Sargent]

Crap, double checked my board and I had an error. Never mind.

Cronin, you are tweaking my wolfdar, ever so subtly.

[KWhit]

Can we get beyond yesterday? I have already said I was wrong, I was simply trying to explain to Lathum what I was thinking - I am not STILL thinking that.

Get beyond yesterday?

Your play yesterday is a clear determining factor in your likelyhood of being a wolf.

[Abe Sargent]

I confused as hell.

how does anyone have any clue where soeone is at on the board?

There's only one WK left, so you know if you are on Whites team (which all non-Pawns know, and you know if you see the only WK on the board)

[Abe Sargent]

Alright, I'm voting for stconcnin because I don;t buy the whole "You Can't see stuff." And then as soon as he sees his arguments aren't flying, he rolls back and says he misread the board.

[Abe Sargent]

Vote st.cronin

[PurdueBrad]

I'm throwing this out there for now, but am contemplating one of three.

vote JEHeinz

Not meant to be a hit and run btw, our server at work is hit or miss so I should be on from now until approx 1:40 CST but just in case.

[The Jackal]

Just got a big project at work that needs to be done ASAP so I can't check as often as I'd like for the next couple hours, but I'll do my best.

[Lathum]

I agree white is not really harmed by the information flow.

well of course you say that since you are the reason for it.

[KWhit]

Anybody have the vote count?

[jeheinz72]

I'm throwing this out there for now, but am contemplating one of three.

vote JEHeinz

Not meant to be a hit and run btw, our server at work is hit or miss so I should be on from now until approx 1:40 CST but just in case.

Is this because of my admittedly bad vote yesterday or ??

I ask because while you started on hoops very early you were like me in that you (apparently) bought the reveal of both him and Jackal and moved your vote elsewhere to a throwaway. Just so happened that I evidently read KWhit wrong (again) and yours is unknown.

Just want to be sure I'm reading your intention correctly here.

[st.cronin]

Alright, I'm voting for stconcnin because I don;t buy the whole "You Can't see stuff." And then as soon as he sees his arguments aren't flying, he rolls back and says he misread the board.

I didn't misread the board, I made a mistake in transcribing the info from my pms to my text file.

[KWhit]

Actually, based upon a few posts in the last 100, my suspicion of cronin has actually gone down. I don't think he's a wolf.

[st.cronin]

I don't know if my partner will show up or not, but he can back the mistake, since I sent him the text file in a pm.

[mccollins]

Actually, based upon a few posts in the last 100, my suspicion of cronin has actually gone down. I don't think he's a wolf.

Indeed, based on the angle of his analysis for most of the game I don't really think he's a wolf. "Medium Trust" category.

[PurdueBrad]

Is this because of my admittedly bad vote yesterday or ??

I ask because while you started on hoops very early you were like me in that you (apparently) bought the reveal of both him and Jackal and moved your vote elsewhere to a throwaway. Just so happened that I evidently read KWhit wrong (again) and yours is unknown.

Just want to be sure I'm reading your intention correctly here.

Hey Heinz, in all honesty, I'm not comfortable in getting involved in a run on St. Cronin (although he's still high for me from yesterday) and after that, there just doesn't 'feel' like a lot to go on. Yeah, we made some of the same mistakes but no, I'm not voting on you for that. In all honesty, I want to see what develops. The run on St. Cronin (or maybe it just feels like one) is disturbing though as it could end up being a pile on and I like seeing how people react to various votes.

[KWhit]

Anybody have the vote count?

Anyone?

[Passacaglia]

Here's what I have:

Neon_Chaos --
The Jackal -- Chief Rum (638)
st.cronin -- Lathum (659), Anxiety (783)
path12 -- claphamsa (702)
Lathum -- jeheinz72 (710), st.cronin (776)
Chief Rum -- Sonic Youth (717)
jeheinz72 -- PurdueBrad (784)

[KWhit]

Thank you sir.

[claphamsa]

ok, escaped. not liking cronin.... could just be a mistake, but......

vote cronin

[claphamsa]

er

unvotie path
vote croinn

[PurdueBrad]

Wow, only two votes for St. Cronin, felt like a lot more! Maybe it isn't a run and maybe I will still make a move...we shall see.

[jeheinz72]

Hey Heinz, in all honesty, I'm not comfortable in getting involved in a run on St. Cronin (although he's still high for me from yesterday) and after that, there just doesn't 'feel' like a lot to go on. Yeah, we made some of the same mistakes but no, I'm not voting on you for that. In all honesty, I want to see what develops. The run on St. Cronin (or maybe it just feels like one) is disturbing though as it could end up being a pile on and I like seeing how people react to various votes.

OK PB, that at least makes sense to me. Thanks for the answer. I'm not the right tree to bark up, but your line of thinking is at least understandable.

[PurdueBrad]

Hehe, nm, make that three.

[KWhit]

Based on cronin and path's vouching for Jackal's

[KWhit]

Premature submittal above. Let me try that again...

[PurdueBrad]

OK PB, that at least makes sense to me. Thanks for the answer. I'm not the right tree to bark up, but your line of thinking is at least understandable.

Yeah, I guess I get very wary when I see runs start for a couple reasons.

1- Wolves pile on and drive a vote
2- As villagers it gives us tunnel vision and makes us not look outside the 'favorite'.

I like moving my vote around, much more than I did on day one but it seems like you often get punished for doing so so I'm trying to restrain myself to only one (or worst case scenario two) unvotes per day. So believe me, my vote is not very permanant.

[KWhit]

Based on cronin and path's vouching for Jackal's position on the board, I now believe that Jackal is who he says he is.

Therefore, I really don't like CR's vote for Jackal. I don't have much else to go on, but this could be a wolf trying to get a Knight out of the game.

VOTE CHIEF RUM

[jeheinz72]

Yeah, I guess I get very wary when I see runs start for a couple reasons.

1- Wolves pile on and drive a vote
2- As villagers it gives us tunnel vision and makes us not look outside the 'favorite'.

I like moving my vote around, much more than I did on day one but it seems like you often get punished for doing so so I'm trying to restrain myself to only one (or worst case scenario two) unvotes per day. So believe me, my vote is not very permanant.

I'd agree. I tend to unvote too much myself as well. I decided today to take my time making my vote today so as to hopefully do it 0 or only once today.

[Neon_Chaos]

wow. i have no votes on me and i'm still on the list!

:)

[KWhit]

And Jackal:

Sounds like st.cronin is near you. If I were you, I'd submit his name for a scan tonight if I were you.

[The Jackal]

I don't really get a strong wolf vibe from cronin, I believe he made a mistake.

CR not being able to be around much is dangerous, because he always provides good analysis.. I remember avoiding voting for him in the cruise game, but look what happened there. What he said about me made sense, but as I know I'm not a wolf, I think my vote goes with him for now.

Vote Chief Rum

[The Jackal]

And Jackal:

Sounds like st.cronin is near you. If I were you, I'd submit his name for a scan tonight if I were you.

I've heard suggestions for Heinz and Cronin, I'll be scanning one of em, more likely cronin.

[KWhit]

I've heard suggestions for Heinz and Cronin, I'll be scanning one of em, more likely cronin.

Is there any reason to think that Heinz is near you? If not, it will likely be a wasted scan, based on the percentages.

[The Jackal]

Is there any reason to think that Heinz is near you? If not, it will likely be a wasted scan, based on the percentages.

Right, which is why I'm leaning towards cronin, but Ill put in a conditional for heinz in case cronin gets lynched.

[st.cronin]

Jackal, I would suggest you scan Render.

[st.cronin]

I am not near you, a scan of me won't work.

[The Jackal]

Jackal, I would suggest you scan Render.

I'll take that into consideration.

[The Jackal]

I am not near you, a scan of me won't work.

Well, cripes. There was speculation that you are near me because of you knowing my position and what I can see. So either your partner told you this, or you're trying to avoid being scanned. I might have to scan you, man.

[Neon_Chaos]

I don't think CR would willingly put himself out like that and drive a vote for Jackal if he were a wolf. Seems like he made an assesment based on the info at hand. There were no clear candidates for the day yet.

If anything, the Wolves are probably laying low right now...considering they lost one of their numbers yesterday.

Here's to someone who's been unusually silent the past two days.

Vote Alan T

... for now

[st.cronin]

Actually I'm not entirely clear how this works - I may be able to move to a space where you can scan me. If I move to a spot you can see NOW, but before I move you had moved somewhere else, would you be able to scan me?

[jeheinz72]

Here's to someone who's been unusually silent the past two days.



Uh, I think that's because he's not playing.

Is that a first that a not playing person got a vote? :D

[st.cronin]

Neon, Alan T is not playing.

[PurdueBrad]

:p :p :p

[Neon_Chaos]

Neon, Alan T is not playing.

Lol. You serious? Didn't he sub at the last minute?

[PurdueBrad]

It would be fun to start a run and lynch someone not in the game.

[The Jackal]

Actually I'm not entirely clear how this works - I may be able to move to a space where you can scan me. If I move to a spot you can see NOW, but before I move you had moved somewhere else, would you be able to scan me?

Pass told me that if I see the person I scan at any point during the night, I'll get a return.

[PurdueBrad]

Jackal, I say you scan Alan T too, just so we can figure out his allegiances!

[Neon_Chaos]

My bad then.
Now I don't know who to vote for.

[mccollins]

Lol. You serious? Didn't he sub at the last minute?

I know what you're talking about, but Barkeep ended up taking that spot.

[Lathum]

Is that a first that a not playing person got a vote? :D

actualy no

[oliegirl]

ok, escaped. not liking cronin.... could just be a mistake, but......

vote cronin



Escaped what?

[mccollins]

My bad then.
Now I don't know who to vote for.

Do you need to unvote? :D :cool:

[st.cronin]

Pass told me that if I see the person I scan at any point during the night, I'll get a return.

Ok, well go ahead and try to scan me - I might be able to get someplace you can see me, but only if you don't move right away.

[ntndeacon]

I am leary of CR at this point but he usually has insightful analysis, so I am willing to give him apass at this stage.
Vote LathumThis is a vote and run I realize but it needs to be. got class.

[claphamsa]

Escaped what?
a payroll systems meeting.. It was awful.

[oliegirl]

a payroll systems meeting.. It was awful.

Oh, wasn't sure if that was RL escape or some ww predicament you were referring to :)

[st.cronin]

I am leary of CR at this point but he usually has insightful analysis, so I am willing to give him apass at this stage.
Vote LathumThis is a vote and run I realize but it needs to be. got class.

Invalid vote, needs to be on one line per the rules.

[The Jackal]

Ok, well go ahead and try to scan me - I might be able to get someplace you can see me, but only if you don't move right away.

I'd rather not telegraph my movement, hopefully it lines up.

[The Jackal]

I also don't want to delay moving for you to get out of the way though. I don't really have reason to trust or distrust, but if I was a wolf trying to get out of the way of a scan, I probably would've said that as well.

[The Jackal]

If anyone else has comments on this situation, or on recommended scans, feel free.

[st.cronin]

I'd rather not telegraph my movement, hopefully it lines up.

ditto, also think you should consider somebody else. You know, the wolves might kill me, or something.

[The Jackal]

ditto, also think you should consider somebody else. You know, the wolves might kill me, or something.

I'll have a conditional in no matter who I choose, learned my lesson last night.

[path12]

VOTE LATHUM

He is either a black pawn or a wolf. Here is my reasoning.

1) Lathum did not know how anyone would know where other pieces would be on the board.

2) The only way I can see in the rules that this would be the case would be if he was a pawn that did not move last turn.

3) I believe for various reasons that all white pawns moved last turn.

4) I am assuming that a wolf who makes a kill cannot also move on the board.

That either makes Lathum a black pawn who did not move, in which case my question is why on earth not? Or a wolf who made a kill last night, did not get to move, and therefore did not realize that PM's went out giving positions of pieces around one.

Airtight? Nope. Enough for a day 2 vote? Yep.

[mccollins]

Path, can you explain #4?

I don't have much wolfy to go on so I'm going to vote based on suspicions and colors

[hoopsguy]

Uh, I think that's because he's not playing.

Is that a first that a not playing person got a vote? :D

Not even close. I did it to TazFTW a long time ago and I've definitely seen it happen other times.

[jeheinz72]

Not even close. I did it to TazFTW a long time ago and I've definitely seen it happen other times.

I actually figured it wasn't the first but wanted to hear the stories :D

[PurdueBrad]

Told you this was coming!
unvote JEHeinz

[b]vote Lathum[b]

Path laid out about as good an argument as I've seen.

[PurdueBrad]

CRAP!!!! STUPID NO EDIT!

vote Lathum

[Neon_Chaos]

I'm good with that.

Vote Lathum

[st.cronin]

Path, 1) actually makes me think Lathum is less likely to be a wolf. I assume the wolves have been building their own board, and are able to name several players locations.

[Narcizo]

Actually I'm not entirely clear how this works - I may be able to move to a space where you can scan me. If I move to a spot you can see NOW, but before I move you had moved somewhere else, would you be able to scan me?

I think you have to be in Jackal's field of view at the end of the turn. If Jackal stays you should be able to work out where you need to move in order to be seen by him. It's up to Jackal if he feels comfortable staying put though. Not sure I would.

I've been moving away from the view that Jackal is a wolf, it just seems unlikely that we would hit on two wolves on the first day. Cronin still looks suspicious to me but if there's a chance we can get a scan on him then I'm leaning towards giving him a day to prove his case with a scan.

I have to vote now but I'm really not sure where to go. I'm wary of voting for Chief, just because he's not here to reveal and given my usual time zone problems I don't like voting for people who can't be around. I'm going to work on putting something together.

[Neon_Chaos]

Unvote Alan T


Vote Lathum

:)

[path12]

Path, can you explain #4?

I don't have much wolfy to go on so I'm going to vote based on suspicions and colors

#4 is just an assumption, and I'll ask Pass to see if we can clear it up. I'm just thinking that a wolf can either make a kill or move in a night, but not both.

[st.cronin]

Geez, now a run on Lathum.

[PurdueBrad]

Geez, now a run on Lathum.

I KNOW, now I want to unvote again!!!!

I may be out, looks like I'm going to have to mediate a meeting between two of my colleagues who are having problems (love when teachers are less mature than the kids). My vote stays for now.

[path12]

Path, 1) actually makes me think Lathum is less likely to be a wolf. I assume the wolves have been building their own board, and are able to name several players locations.

Possible I guess. But why wouldn't you have moved as a pawn last turn?

[path12]

Geez, now a run on Lathum.

I'd like to think that my vote was based more on logic than pile-on.

[jeheinz72]

Geez, now a run on Lathum.

Yeha, that's a bit worrisome.

Anyone have an updated count?

[oliegirl]

VOTE ST. CRONIN

Seems to be a lot of suspicion around him, and his wrong evaluation on Jackal earlier seemed odd, like he threw it out there and expected Jackal to not defend himself or something, I don't know, just didn't seem right to me...

[jeheinz72]

I'd like to think that my vote was based more on logic than pile-on.

Yours at least made sense to me path. It's the ones by NTN, PB and NC that basically just said they agreed worry me more.

[st.cronin]

Possible I guess. But why wouldn't you have moved as a pawn last turn?

If he's a pawn, he may still have moved, and is just not able to see anybody. Or, the pieces he can see, he can't identify as particular players. That would likely be the case for anybody on the black side, since only one piece has been matched to a player. Your analysis actually has changed my mind on Lathum:

UNVOTE LATHUM

[st.cronin]

VOTE NTNDEACON

[Qwikshot]

vote no lynch

I'm leaving work shortly and will be out of communication for about an hour commute. I'm still working on whom to accuse, though I'm leaning towards Lathum, I don't know if I'll be home in time of the deadline, and I'd hate to be voting for someone who then does a reveal that makes it evident that he's (or she's) not a wolf....which is why I've been doing the no lynch thing...

[KWhit]

Anyone have a vote count?

[jeheinz72]

Good gravy.

Is today National Act Blatantly Like a Wolf Day and I just had no idea or what? My goodness.

[path12]

If he's a pawn, he may still have moved, and is just not able to see anybody. Or, the pieces he can see, he can't identify as particular players. That would likely be the case for anybody on the black side, since only one piece has been matched to a player. Your analysis actually has changed my mind on Lathum:

UNVOTE LATHUM

I don't see any way he could have moved as a pawn where he wouldn't have at least one pawn within one space of him, particularly considering the positions of the two black pawns I'm aware of.

But I'm not trying to insinuate that my theory is absolutely right. It's just the best one I can come up with a reason for given the information I have and what has been posted in thread at this time.

[st.cronin]

Also, I don't think its clear at all that Lathum is a pawn, or even black, based on MY board knowledge. There are other possibilities.

[path12]

Dola, looking at my map I can only see one, maybe two possible spaces where I think he could have moved as a pawn and not have another piece within one space of him. But that assumes some weird movement (or non-movement) from some other pieces.

[Lathum]

VOTE LATHUM

He is either a black pawn or a wolf. Here is my reasoning.

1) Lathum did not know how anyone would know where other pieces would be on the board.

2) The only way I can see in the rules that this would be the case would be if he was a pawn that did not move last turn.

3) I believe for various reasons that all white pawns moved last turn.

4) I am assuming that a wolf who makes a kill cannot also move on the board.

That either makes Lathum a black pawn who did not move, in which case my question is why on earth not? Or a wolf who made a kill last night, did not get to move, and therefore did not realize that PM's went out giving positions of pieces around one.

Airtight? Nope. Enough for a day 2 vote? Yep.


actualy it makes me someone who has no idea whats going on.

[Narcizo]

Bah! Trumped again. Well my argument were

Looks like this is the current vote count, I really think voting Hoops off at this point is a bad idea. Yes, he is a great wolf - but he is also a great villager, and the fact that he voiced his opinion against a No Lynch is a pretty bad reason to vote him off. No where I can move my vote to help Hoops so for now it's going to stay where it is.

Believe in this even more now since Hoops reveal...we must have been typing at the same time. Definitely think we need to do things today:

1. Keep Hoops around at least one more night
2. Make sure a knight scans him and gives their results, we have enough bg's/rooks in this game that anyone who needs to be protected can be.

Jackal, why did you wait so long to reveal? Why did you wait until after Hoops revealed?

I doubt that wolves are paired with wolves, that just seems that it would put the wolves at a disadvantage (which I'm all for), but I don't see Pass working that sort of dynamic into the game.

OK guys, I'm here...crazy day at work so far...

I agree that the chances that Hoops partner is also a wolf are slim, and also am thinking that one of the white rooks is likely a wolf.

As for votes, I'm leaning away from NC at this point, I have a reason to think he's good - but can't elaborate at this point b/c it would involve revealing my role and I am not ready to do that. I'm going to do a little digging and might be able to give some more information shortly...

Oliegirl was coming out very strongly in favour of Hoops yesterday - not just these posts but in her votes as well.

My assumption has been that she's the black rook and that's why she was defending hoops so hard. However the last statement has really made me question that. There's absolutely no way the rook role would provide any information to lead you to belíeve that someone is good. It's a simple protecting piece. So what could possibly give her a good vibe about Neon? And the way she keeps going on about wolves not being paired and trying to cast doubt at the white rooks. Maybe she is the black rook and maybe the wolves are paired.

However, I think Path's line is a stronger case at the moment.

[st.cronin]

Path, I think you may be mixing up "knowing where a particular piece is on the board" with "knowing where a particular player is on the board." Only players with knowledge of where the white knight is know the latter, and black pawns, I think, would see the white knight as a black knight.

[path12]

Also, I don't think its clear at all that Lathum is a pawn, or even black, based on MY board knowledge. There are other possibilities.

If you see something in the rules where a piece would not get the location of pieces around them please let me know, because the way I read it only pawns who do not move have no knowledge of what is going on around them.

[mccollins]

My assumption has been that she's the black rook and that's why she was defending hoops so hard. However the last statement has really made me question that. There's absolutely no way the rook role would provide any information to lead you to belíeve that someone is good. It's a simple protecting piece. So what could possibly give her a good vibe about Neon? And the way she keeps going on about wolves not being paired and trying to cast doubt at the white rooks. Maybe she is the black rook and maybe the wolves are paired.

However, I think Path's line is a stronger case at the moment.

My intuitions were telling me the same thing - oliegirl = black rook.
One thing was that she was busy most of yesterday at work and hoopsguy was waiting around for someone to come into the thread and vouch for him. Also, the quotes regarding Rooks (that Narcizo quoted) were curious and led me to this belief as well.

[Lathum]

I guess I need to mount a feeble defense.

If I was a wolf why would I come out asking questions like that.

You want to lynch me for having no idea what is going on thats fine I guess. I really have no defense considering it's day 2

[oliegirl]

Bah! Trumped again. Well my argument were











Oliegirl was coming out very strongly in favour of Hoops yesterday - not just these posts but in her votes as well.

My assumption has been that she's the black rook and that's why she was defending hoops so hard. However the last statement has really made me question that. There's absolutely no way the rook role would provide any information to lead you to belíeve that someone is good. It's a simple protecting piece. So what could possibly give her a good vibe about Neon? And the way she keeps going on about wolves not being paired and trying to cast doubt at the white rooks. Maybe she is the black rook and maybe the wolves are paired.

However, I think Path's line is a stronger case at the moment.

I'm staying quiet for now, depending on how things go at deadline tonight, I might be able to give some more information.

[Neon_Chaos]

Any idea on who's leading?

[path12]

Path, I think you may be mixing up "knowing where a particular piece is on the board" with "knowing where a particular player is on the board." Only players with knowledge of where the white knight is know the latter, and black pawns, I think, would see the white knight as a black knight.

I'll just say I disagree with you here.

And reiterate, my vote is based strictly on the reasons I gave with it. I'm not saying I know he is a wolf for a fact, I'm saying that based on the rules as I interpret them that this is the vote that makes most sense to me. You are free to feel differently.

[mccollins]

Path, I think you may be mixing up "knowing where a particular piece is on the board" with "knowing where a particular player is on the board." Only players with knowledge of where the white knight is know the latter, and black pawns, I think, would see the white knight as a black knight.

All pieces would see a knight (or any piece for that matter) as friendly or enemy. The black Pawn would have to know that they're black to unravel that the enemy Knight was Jackal's white Knight.

[Lathum]

I tried to move last night and was blocked

[path12]

I'm staying quiet for now, depending on how things go at deadline tonight, I might be able to give some more information.

I hope so, because I got the same weird vibes about you that Narcizo did.

[oliegirl]

Is anyone going to be scanning NC tonight?

[mccollins]

Can we get an updated vote count?

[claphamsa]

mccollins, see this game you are still alive, and ALOWED to count :D

[st.cronin]

I actually came out of yesterday with a high level of trust for oliegirl, but I don't remember why.

[mccollins]

mccollins, see this game you are still alive, and ALOWED to count :D

But the votes have been moving so much that I haven't kept up!

[The Jackal]

I can maybe throw a vote count together in a few minutes if someone else isn't doing it.

[KWhit]

Is anyone going to be scanning NC tonight?

Why?

[oliegirl]

I'm going to be afk for a few, not sure if I'll be back by deadline or not...will be back shortly after though.

[Narcizo]

OK, I'll hold off on oliegirl and see what she comes up with but I'll be very interested in hearing what she has to say tomorrow.

For want of a vote count I think it's looking like a Chief Rum vs Lathum run off. Lathum has been acting very unusually this game - the no lynch vote and some haphazard voting. Path's arguments push me in a direction I was pretty happy to go anyway.

Vote Lathum

[Lathum]

lol.

every game people use my "acting unusually" as an excuse to vote me.

You would think by now you guys have figured out that I AM unusual.

[st.cronin]

UNVOTE NTNDEACON
VOTE CHIEF RUM

I believe Lathum is a king. I think I'm going to get lynched as a result of this vote.

[Lathum]

well, looks like I am going down.

I'm the black bishop

I can confirm that Jackyl and PAth are both white ( assumonig my PM Partner isn't a wolf lying to me)

If I understand the game that makes Cronin white also

[Passacaglia]

Back. Checking PMs for questions first.

[jeheinz72]

This could be right...

Lathum (5): jeheinz72 (710), path12 (841), PurdueBrad (846), Neon Chaos (850), Narcizo (887)

st.cronin (4): Lathum (659), Anxiety (783), claphamsa (797), Oliegirl (857)

Chief Rum (3): Sonic Youth (717), KWhit (805), TheJackal (809)

NTNDeacon (1): Cronin (860)
No Lynch (1): Qwikshot (861)
The Jackal (1): Chief Rum (638)

Not voted: NTN (invalid), mccollins, RendeR

[jeheinz72]

Updated with the new info

Lathum (5): jeheinz72 (710), path12 (841), PurdueBrad (846), Neon Chaos (850), Narcizo (887)

st.cronin (4): Lathum (659), Anxiety (783), claphamsa (797), Oliegirl (857)

Chief Rum (4): Sonic Youth (717), KWhit (805), TheJackal (809), Cronin (89X)

No Lynch (1): Qwikshot (861)
The Jackal (1): Chief Rum (638)

Not voted: NTN (invalid), mccollins, RendeR

[Neon_Chaos]

From my count:

The Jackal -- Chief Rum (638)
st.cronin -- Lathum (659), Anxiety (783), clap (798), oliegirl (857)
Lathum -- jeheinz72 (710), path12 (841), PB (846), Neon Chaos (847), Narcizo (887)
Chief Rum -- Sonic Youth (717), kwhit (805), the jackal (810), stcronin (889)
ntndeacon - st.cronin (859)
no lynch - qwik (861)

[Lathum]

anyone got a count?

I obviously will switch

[st.cronin]

Looks like this one will be decided by the pawns.

[Lathum]

unvote Cronin
Vote ChiefRum

[The Jackal]

About finished with my vote count and it looks the same, thanks guys.

[Neon_Chaos]

FUCK.

[mccollins]

I thought the angles on Chief Rum's post were very curious since I was nearly trusting Jackal at the end of yesterday. After today, I do trust Jackal (for now!).

However, I've also been suspicious of Lathum and was prepared to vote for him until the run after Path's (decent) argument. I think there is probably at least one wolf piling on in there.

So I'll go back to my original suspicion:
Vote Chief Rum

[Neon_Chaos]

Chief Rum is the Black Queen. I am the Black King. I have all reason to believe that he is good.

White, if you lynch my queen, I swear, you won't win this game. I will help the wolves.

Wolves, if you night-kill my queen, I will suicide and and let white win.

Unvote Lathum
Vote st.cronin

[jeheinz72]

Chief Rum (6): Sonic Youth (717), KWhit (805), TheJackal (809), Cronin (89X), Lathum (897), mccollins (900)

Lathum (5): jeheinz72 (710), path12 (841), PurdueBrad (846), Neon Chaos (850), Narcizo (887)

st.cronin (3): Anxiety (783), claphamsa (797), Oliegirl (857)


No Lynch (1): Qwikshot (861)
The Jackal (1): Chief Rum (638)

Not voted: NTN (invalid), RendeR

[jeheinz72]

Gah, changes...

Chief Rum (6): Sonic Youth (717), KWhit (805), TheJackal (809), Cronin (89X), Lathum (897), mccollins (900)

Lathum (4): jeheinz72 (710), path12 (841), PurdueBrad (846), Narcizo (887)

st.cronin (4): Anxiety (783), claphamsa (797), Oliegirl (857), Neon_Chaos (901)


No Lynch (1): Qwikshot (861)
The Jackal (1): Chief Rum (638)

Not voted: NTN (invalid), RendeR

[claphamsa]

err......

[Lathum]

unvote Chiefrum
Vote Cronin

[jeheinz72]

Chief Rum (5): Sonic Youth (717), KWhit (805), TheJackal (809), Cronin (89X), mccollins (900)

st.cronin (5): Anxiety (783), claphamsa (797), Oliegirl (857), Neon_Chaos (901), Lathum (905)

Lathum (4): jeheinz72 (710), path12 (841), PurdueBrad (846), Narcizo (887)


No Lynch (1): Qwikshot (861)
The Jackal (1): Chief Rum (638)

Not voted: NTN (invalid), RendeR

[RendeR]

ok, so right now its 5-5 cronin and rummy and 4 for lathum?

[Alan T]

With the mid-afternoon deadlines, it makes the evening reading so boring, but I love the lead up to deadlines. :)

[RendeR]

VOTE Chief Rum


I haven't seen anything bad from either one really, but I don't trust lathum and he's playing "save my own ass" by tossing cronin so I'll go CR instead.

[Narcizo]

Unvote Lathum
Vote Chief Rum

[Neon_Chaos]

Even with my reveal, eh.

[st.cronin]

I don't believe Lathum is a wolf. I think its possible Chief Rum is a wolf, despite what Neon has said. I'll stay on Chief Rum.

I'm suspicious of: ntndeacon, Narcizo, jeheinz.

[Neon_Chaos]

I guess it's time to check allegiances. Who's Black, who's White.

[jeheinz72]

Chief Rum (7): Sonic Youth (717), KWhit (805), TheJackal (809), Cronin (89X), mccollins (900), RendeR (909), Narcizo (910)

st.cronin (5): Anxiety (783), claphamsa (797), Oliegirl (857), Neon_Chaos (901), Lathum (905)

Lathum (3): jeheinz72 (710), path12 (841), PurdueBrad (846)

No Lynch (1): Qwikshot (861)
The Jackal (1): Chief Rum (638)

Not voted: NTN (invalid)

[Neon_Chaos]

If Black is this willing to lynch their queen, then this game is over.

[Lathum]

Well Render is on the White team I guess

[jeheinz72]

Unvote Lathum
Vote Chief Rum

[jeheinz72]

Chief Rum (8): Sonic Youth (717), KWhit (805), TheJackal (809), Cronin (89X), mccollins (900), RendeR (909), Narcizo (910), jeheinz72 (917)

st.cronin (5): Anxiety (783), claphamsa (797), Oliegirl (857), Neon_Chaos (901), Lathum (905)

Lathum (2): path12 (841), PurdueBrad (846)

No Lynch (1): Qwikshot (861)
The Jackal (1): Chief Rum (638)

Not voted: NTN (invalid)

[Lathum]

Heinzes count is wrong I think

[jeheinz72]

I don't believe Lathum is a wolf. I think its possible Chief Rum is a wolf, despite what Neon has said. I'll stay on Chief Rum.

I'm suspicious of: ntndeacon, Narcizo, jeheinz.

Why me?

[jeheinz72]

Heinzes count is wrong I think

It definitely warrants double-checking. It was kinda hectic there for a stretch.

[Neon_Chaos]

I guess we'll see if CR was a wolf. Pray that he was.

[path12]

Doesn't help with this vote, and invalidates one of my reasons for it, but Pass just told me that a wolf CAN both make a kill and move on the board in the same night.

[RendeR]

deadline

[mccollins]

Unvote Lathum
Vote Chief Rum

You were in the run on Lathum and then now a pile-on vote on Chief Rum? Seems fishy ...

[path12]

Going to be interesting to parse this late voting once we see what actually happened.

[jeheinz72]

You were in the run on Lathum and then now a pile-on vote on Chief Rum? Seems fishy ...

No no, I wasn't "in the run" on Lathum. Check the post counts. I voted him at #710. NExt vote besides maybe a cronin unvote and re-vote of Lathum was like 841 (and then 846, 850, 887). I wasn't in a run, I independently decided to vote Lathum.

I switched because I don't honestly know for sure if Lathum or CR are wolves, but I know CR is Black (or at least have no reason to think Neon is lying). I'll be honest, I'm white, if I'm going to take a chance at being incorrect, I'd rather err by lynching the Black Queen than the Black Bishop.

[Passacaglia]

You people are all doing this just to piss me off, aren't you?! :p

[mccollins]

No no, I wasn't "in the run" on Lathum. Check the post counts. I voted him at #710. NExt vote besides maybe a cronin unvote and re-vote of Lathum was like 841 (and then 846, 850, 887). I wasn't in a run, I independently decided to vote Lathum.

I switched because I don't honestly know for sure if Lathum or CR are wolves, but I know CR is Black (or at least have no reason to think Neon is lying). I'll be honest, I'm white, if I'm going to take a chance at being incorrect, I'd rather err by lynching the Black Queen than the Black Bishop.

MY BAD - I thought you were one of the ones after Path's analysis. Carry on! :)

[Neon_Chaos]

Going to be interesting to parse this late voting once we see what actually happened.

If CR is a wolf, then this game will probably continue.

[Passacaglia]

Corrections, please:

Neon_Chaos --
The Jackal -- Chief Rum (638)
st.cronin -- Anxiety (783), claphamsa (798), oliegirl (857), Neon_Chaos (901), Lathum (905)
path12 -- claphamsa (702)
Lathum -- path12 (841), PurdueBrad (846)
Chief Rum -- Sonic Youth (717), Kwhit (805), The Jackal (809), st.cronin (889), mccollins (900), RendeR (909), Narcizo (910), jeheinz72 (917)
jeheinz72 --
ntndeacon --
No Lynch -- Qwikshot (861)

[Neon_Chaos]

Goddamn.

So Render, Narcizo, and jeheinz are all White.

Along with KWhit, Jackal, and cronin.

[Narcizo]

I actually didn't see Neon's reveal, but I had reason to believe that the vote off was st.cronin vs Chief Rum, with Lathum not likely to figure. I think CR is more suspicious than cronin.

[mccollins]

So Render, Narcizo, and jeheinz are all White.

Along with KWhit, Jackal, and cronin.

Render had yet to vote at that time and I'm not sure he knew what was going on. I think Narcizo (not sure) and jeheinz (he did) said as much.

I'm thinking you mean Path instead of KWhit ...

Anywho, this isn't like a normal chess game; anything can happen. I'd encourage you to play it like WW and go for the wolves.

[Abe Sargent]

Just got back to see the results and wow. Wow.

[Neon_Chaos]

If Rum's a wolf, then let game continue. That's the only consolation I can find in what everyone just did.

[Abe Sargent]

Holy Revelations, Batman!

[Narcizo]

People seem to still be thinking of things in terms of everyone having one vote.

[path12]

If CR is a wolf, then this game will probably continue.

I'll be surprised if a queen is a wolf.

[Lathum]

People seem to still be thinking of things in terms of everyone having one vote.

I don't get the whole pawn thing?

can someone explain?

[Passacaglia]

After another day of bickering, with more finger-pointing, finger-retracting, and finger-pointing again (again with much distress to the GM :p ), you start to wonder how many fingers you have left. Suddenly, most of them seem to be pointed at Chief Rum, who seems to have adjourned early for the evening, ready to make a fresh start tomorrow. However, tomorrow will not come for him, as you tie him up and lynch him. Chief Rum was the Black Queen and a villager! Another mellow night passes by, with no sounds of fighting amongst the pieces. However, when you wake up the next morning, you see that KWhit as been eaten by wolves. KWhit had four Black Pawns!

[Neon_Chaos]

20 people. 32 chess pieces.

16 roled pieces.

Which means that 4 people are contolling 4 pawns each.

[st.cronin]

Ok, I think White has a clear path to victory now. We just lynch Neon twice, right?

[Neon_Chaos]

Okay.

I need to step away from the computer now. I might break the monitor.

[hoopsguy]

However, when you wake up the next morning, you see that KWhit as been eaten by wolves. KWhit had four Black Pawns!

It is not a good long-term survival strategy to "duke/pawn" a wolf :)

[st.cronin]

I <3 Neon.

[jeheinz72]

Ok, I think White has a clear path to victory now. We just lynch Neon twice, right?

I don't think we can lynch him. He has to be board-killed if I'm reading it right.

[KWhit]

Bah. I saw that coming (getting eaten by wolves).

Good luck, ladies.

[Lathum]

20 people. 32 chess pieces.

16 roled pieces.

Which means that 4 people are contolling 4 pawns each.

so 4 people get 4 votes each?

no offense PAss, but that is really, really silly.

[mccollins]

Ok, I think White has a clear path to victory now. We just lynch Neon twice, right?

Huh??

King
You are the leader of your team, and the prime target of your enemies. Your opponents win by killing you. You cannot be lynched or killed by wolves. You must submit a name to me via PM -- that person will be lynched instead of you, if you're a leading vote-getter. This name can be changed at any time. If the person you submit is the other King, then the name that the OTHER king submits will be lynched. If both kings submit each other's names, then no one will be lynched as a result of voting for the King. The King's color will not be revealed in this process. On the board, you may move one space in any direction. You can see up to three spaces away from you. You may communicate via PM with your Queen.

I think the Kings have to be mated or at least just captured to win the game.

[path12]

I don't think we can lynch him. He has to be board-killed if I'm reading it right.


That's how I understand it also, that the King has a sort of unlimited duke ability. But down four pawns, a queen and a rook doesn't help black much.

[Lathum]

and why would KWhit vote CR?

[mccollins]

so 4 people get 4 votes each?

no offense PAss, but that is really, really silly.

They get a vote per pawn so once pawns start dying, they lose votes.
The rules have been the same since we started playing two days ago ;)

[path12]

Just got my night PM, busy board. I've got to go to lunch and do some work before trying to figure it out.

[Narcizo]

Yep, that's my read. Honestly Neon, I didn't see your reveal. Not saying that it would have made a difference but still. I was afraid the game was going to turn out this way, once it became clear that Pass' reveal safeguard wasn't working.

[st.cronin]

Ok, never mind then. I thought they could be lynched, but that they had a one time duke action.

[mccollins]

and why would KWhit vote CR?

That's weird - I guess he just thought he was a wolf. KWhit also might not have figured out his color yet.

[KWhit]

It is not a good long-term survival strategy to "duke/pawn" a wolf :)

Be quiet, you. You're supposed to be dead.

[Neon_Chaos]

Chief Rum is the Black Queen. I am the Black King. I have all reason to believe that he is good.

White, if you lynch my queen, I swear, you won't win this game. I will help the wolves.

Wolves, if you night-kill my queen, I will suicide and and let white win.

Unvote Lathum
Vote st.cronin


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[RendeR]

Goddamn.

So Render, Narcizo, and jeheinz are all White.

Along with KWhit, Jackal, and cronin.

actually I don't see any basis for this statement, you may be right on a couple by chance, but their voting on day 2 really doesn't guarentee this result. How could they know?

[Neon_Chaos]

and why would KWhit vote CR?

The Pawns don't know what color they are.

[RendeR]

I never saw aything before page 20, I logged in really late to deadline and had to get a vote in, I read the vote status and voted based on what I thought of those with votes and the numbers at the time.

Sorry NC, your reveal had nothing to do with my vote at least.

[oliegirl]

OK, I suspected NC was a knight based on his post # 141, he seemed to know a lot of detail about their power and it just tipped me off and stuck in my head..that is why I didn't want to vote for NC and I wanted someone to scan him tonight, but I guess now that isn't necessary.

[Neon_Chaos]

Ok. This is why No Lynch would have been the best option since Day 1. Play the chess game, and let the wolves kill of ONE PLAYER AT A TIME.
Black, if you want to at least have a chance to win, you don't help weed out the wolves until the White numbers are down by two or three. Even then, us winning is a complete stretch based on us losing the queen.

[Lathum]

sigh :(

this game really makes no sense to me.

I don't care how ou slice it, anyone with 4X the vote of another player makes no sense, why should I even bother to vote

[st.cronin]

Whelp, I tried to move for the Jackal but I was blocked.

[path12]

Whelp, I tried to move for the Jackal but I was blocked.

Do you know who is around you?

[path12]

I asked Pass one other question as to whether or not a roled piece that did not move would get notification as to who was around them. Answer: yes.

So Lathum, you are not a bishop otherwise you would have gotten a PM saying who was around you on the board, blocked move or not.

VOTE LATHUM

[Abe Sargent]

I asked Pass one other question as to whether or not a roled piece that did not move would get notification as to who was around them. Answer: yes.

So Lathum, you are not a bishop otherwise you would have gotten a PM saying who was around you on the board, blocked move or not.

VOTE LATHUM

Another white on block move? Why am I not surprised. :rolleyes:

[st.cronin]

Do you know who is around you?

Piece type, not player name. Unless you didn't move last turn, then I think I know exactly where you are.

[Lathum]

I asked Pass one other question as to whether or not a roled piece that did not move would get notification as to who was around them. Answer: yes.

So Lathum, you are not a bishop otherwise you would have gotten a PM saying who was around you on the board, blocked move or not.

VOTE LATHUM

and why would I give up information like that.

Really it doesn't matter. White controls the vote. From my understanding even the lone black pawn left thinks it is white. So with 3 white pawns left that makes 12 votes against me.

Whats the point really?

am I missing something?

[path12]

Another white on block move? Why am I not surprised. :rolleyes:

:confused: I don't understand what you mean.

[path12]

Piece type, not player name. Unless you didn't move last turn, then I think I know exactly where you are.


I moved.

[Lathum]

:confused: I don't understand what you mean.

I think he meant black

[path12]

and why would I give up information like that.

Really it doesn't matter. White controls the vote. From my understanding even the lone black pawn left thinks it is white. So with 3 white pawns left that makes 12 votes against me.

Whats the point really?

am I missing something?

Well, when I voted for you yesterday and gave my reasoning, your explanation was that your move was blocked. Then you revealed as a bishop. And now I know that was a lie.

White has a big advantage right now, yes. But believe it or not, I'm actually trying to find wolves.

[st.cronin]

and why would I give up information like that.

Really it doesn't matter. White controls the vote. From my understanding even the lone black pawn left thinks it is white. So with 3 white pawns left that makes 12 votes against me.

Whats the point really?

am I missing something?

What you're missing is that the wolves will want to move the vote to a white player, to even things up. Also what you're missing is that the villagers would rather lynch a wolf than a villager on the other team.

[path12]

I think he meant black

Oh, that makes sense. He's wrong if he thinks that's just what it is though. I think it's going to be much tougher to mate the black king than one might think, especially with all the possible night moves.

Which is why I'm looking wolves first.

[st.cronin]

Well, when I voted for you yesterday and gave my reasoning, your explanation was that your move was blocked. Then you revealed as a bishop. And now I know that was a lie.

White has a big advantage right now, yes. But believe it or not, I'm actually trying to find wolves.

Wait - how do we know he's lying?

[Lathum]

Well, when I voted for you yesterday and gave my reasoning, your explanation was that your move was blocked. Then you revealed as a bishop. And now I know that was a lie.

White has a big advantage right now, yes. But believe it or not, I'm actually trying to find wolves.

Dude, what the fuck you want me to tell you?

I tried to move, it was blocked, bishops can't jump over other players.

Why is that so hard to believe?

Fuck it, lynch me, I could care less. I'm done.

[Neon_Chaos]

Don't be fooled by the White Propaganda!

I would rather lynch a white piece than a wolf right now. Better yet, a white piece that's a wolf!

[Lathum]

apologies to my partner who is someone I like alot and enjoyed chatting with.

[path12]

Wait - how do we know he's lying?

We know he's lying because he claimed to have no knowledge about how someone would know where pieces are on the board. When I put together that must mean that he was a black pawn that didn't move (since all white ones did and only pawns that didn't move would not get notification of their position or those around them) then he revealed as a black bishop and said he was blocked -- and that was why he didn't know about the positioning PM's.

Well, after clarifying with the GM, we know that all roled pieces would get information as to what was around them, so he's lied about either:

1) Being a bishop.
2) Pretending he didn't know how one would know who was around them.

There's no reason at all that I can think of (even for someone as secretive as Lathum) to cling to number 2 so hard that you start gathering votes. But either way, his story just isn't logically true.

[path12]

Dude, what the fuck you want me to tell you?

I tried to move, it was blocked, bishops can't jump over other players.

Why is that so hard to believe?

Fuck it, lynch me, I could care less. I'm done.

It's not the fact that you could have been blocked. It's the fact that you claimed you got no information as to pieces around you. I think you just messed up.

[Passacaglia]

Whew. All PMs have been sent out. Keep sending questions if you have any.

[st.cronin]

Path, I think you're way off base here. What Lathum was confused about was how people knew that THE JACKAL was at a given position. That's entirely different from what you're suggesting, and is entirely consistent with Lathum being whatever he says he is.

[path12]

Path, I think you're way off base here. What Lathum was confused about was how people knew that THE JACKAL was at a given position. That's entirely different from what you're suggesting, and is entirely consistent with Lathum being whatever he says he is.

I've got to get back to work, but I'll go back and find the post later.

I think you're confusing the original point. Lathum started this by questioning how anyone would know what pieces were where on the board. Probing that led to all the things that don't add up. I'll lay it out later.

Again, this is nothing more than pointing out inconsistencies in a story. That is most often looked at as wolf behavior, isn't it?

[st.cronin]

I've got to get back to work, but I'll go back and find the post later.

I think you're confusing the original point. Lathum started this by questioning how anyone would know what pieces were where on the board. Probing that led to all the things that don't add up. I'll lay it out later.

Again, this is nothing more than pointing out inconsistencies in a story. That is most often looked at as wolf behavior, isn't it?

I think you are confused. Lathum's question came right after I posted which space The Jackal was in. Its not at all surprising that he would be confused by that.

[mccollins]

Well, when I voted for you yesterday and gave my reasoning, your explanation was that your move was blocked. Then you revealed as a bishop. And now I know that was a lie.

White has a big advantage right now, yes. But believe it or not, I'm actually trying to find wolves.

If the one person controlling the two pawns diagonally in front of Lathum's black Bishop didn't move (whether intentionally or not) or didn't vote (and thus their piece didn't move), then Lathum would have been blocked in, right?

(Wow, this has been sitting open in a tab for a long while. Others may have said the same, but I'm going to go ahead and post it blindly)

[st.cronin]

If the one person controlling the two pawns diagonally in front of Lathum's black Bishop didn't move (whether intentionally or not) or didn't vote (and thus their piece didn't move), then Lathum would have been blocked in, right?

(Wow, this has been sitting open in a tab for a long while. Others may have said the same, but I'm going to go ahead and post it blindly)

Or, Lathum may have had an earlier "move time" than whoever was in front of him.

[claphamsa]

so it looks like white has firm controll over this game... so lets get the wolves now! anyone?

[mccollins]

It's the fact that you claimed you got no information as to pieces around you. I think you just messed up.

Pass did not tell us on Day 0/1 what pieces were next to us because it was at the standard startup. After Night 1, if Lathum wasn't able to move, perhaps Pass still didn't tell him what was / wasn't around him?

Might be a question for Pass - "if someone didn't move the first night would they find out what was around them?"

[PurdueBrad]

I'll stick with my day two vote although I, in all ho,nesty from an outside of game standpoint, don't want to piss off Lathum because I enjoy playing the games with him. This may not stick if I feel guilty over it.

vote Lathum

[PurdueBrad]

by the way, ho,nesty= honesty or I guess you could read it that I was calling someone a nasty ho.

[RendeR]

Might be a question for Pass - "if someone didn't move the first night would they find out what was around them?"



Yes you find out who is around you even if you did not move on night 1 or night 2.

Based on my own PMs from the GM.

[RendeR]

Its funny, I kind of enjoy seeing lathum get all bent out of shape, makes me feel far better about all those games I imploded in back in the day =)


No offense lathum, just sayin ;)

Vote Claphamsa

Why not? he's been UTR this game so far.

[Abe Sargent]

Oh, that makes sense. He's wrong if he thinks that's just what it is though. I think it's going to be much tougher to mate the black king than one might think, especially with all the possible night moves.

Which is why I'm looking wolves first.

Of course you are looking for wolves first. With such a strong board advantage, you want to take out the wild card. However, you want to look at wolves in Black, so that way you auto get a black piece. You won;t even bother to hit a white piece unless you know its a wolf. I'm saying its no surprise.

[The Jackal]

FTR, I tried to scan cronin, but was unable to. He's explained why that is, so I'm not overly concerned, just wouldve been nice to catch a wolf/clear someone.

[st.cronin]

Jackal, did you move?

[st.cronin]

By the way - its possible that Black's Knights have caught a wolf. Its also possible they won't want to give that info up yet.

[path12]

Of course you are looking for wolves first. With such a strong board advantage, you want to take out the wild card. However, you want to look at wolves in Black, so that way you auto get a black piece. You won;t even bother to hit a white piece unless you know its a wolf. I'm saying its no surprise.

If you'd like to pick out a wolf for me I'll vote for them, no matter the color.