Werewolf LXXV - Rise of the Great Old Ones -Students Win!!!!

[The Jackal]

Just caught up. Not sure I really see a reason to move my vote around - I have no specific cause for voting for PB, he hasn't done something to convince me I should definitely move, and none of the other leaders is bothering me. But I'm listening.

[Racer]

Wow, where's the love PB? I changed my normal day one vote to not vote for you.

As I said before, and the time stamps will back me up, I voted hoops not knowing there was another vote about to show up for him. I do find it a little suspicious about the run on me. I really suck as a wolf but do well as a villager (I love trying to figure these things out) so I would look closely at those with votes on me. I wouldn't be too surprised to see at least one wolf there.

Anyhoo, I have to head out for a bit. I'll be back on later to see how this plays out.

I double checked this. EagleFan's post was one minute after the other guy's so I seriously doubt EagleFan saw the other guy's post and made his post in that span of time.

[PurdueBrad]

how could you have names on your list alreadt???????????????


Claph, looking at the voting trends. Even if it weren't me, I'm still surprised at RendeR and Pass bringing in a third candidate. Especially, as Alan has said, when neither Mccollins or Eagle has voted yet. This is almost identical to what Hoops and I tried to engineer in the previous game by bringing in St. Cronin. IF two wolves are up, how do you take the heat off them? You've got to get a third party.

Now that one of the people I'm curious about has voted for me, I'll throw his name and the other out there. Racer and Axxon will need some attention. The "clever" line pinged me earlier and it might be nothing, but was odd nonetheless.

[path12]

Oh ya, and I'm "hawt", but not "flat!"



Alright! Don't listen to what Alan says about me, I'll always steer you in the right direction.

[PurdueBrad]

Anyway, I'm out as the wife has told me we're ready to leave. We'll see if I'm still alive in a few hours.

[EagleFan]

tie = no lynch? If that is the case, that looks like a good reason to keep it that way. Better to no lynch than to lynch a villager right out of the gate, especially when no-one knows if there is a roled villager in the group.

I don't plan on changing my vote tonight, unless it's for self preservation as I would like to get a little bit of time to try to see who the wolves are. I actually like being a villager much better than being a wolf as it's alll about solving the mystery.

[Chief Rum]

Home from work and checking in.

Heh, I shoulda known you guys wouldn't take less than a day to run out a huge thread. Looks like I have some reading to do.

[hoopsguy]

Has Schmidty posted what the results are in the event of a tie?

[path12]

Because of our exchange earlier. Racer is a very good player and we just got through a game together. That means he's going to be a great help to us like he was to his side in that game or he's going to be a dangerous wolf.

OK. It seemed like an odd thing to say day 1.

[claphamsa]

To whom is this directed to?

PB, he said he has 2 names other than the ones being voted for on his list, and thats rediculous., its DAY ONE! no info availabel!

[path12]

One cool thing about this game so far -- I mentioned to the stunning yet demure Ms.Path about Mrs. Schmidty being in this game and she just committed to playing in the next one I run.

Woo!

[Chief Rum]

Quick question. Title says deadline at 10. Post #2 (rules) say 9. Which is it? Obviously, it makes a difference in how I can do things here, as 15 mins is a lot less time than an hour and 15 mins.

[Racer]

Claph, looking at the voting trends. Even if it weren't me, I'm still surprised at RendeR and Pass bringing in a third candidate. Especially, as Alan has said, when neither Mccollins or Eagle has voted yet. This is almost identical to what Hoops and I tried to engineer in the previous game by bringing in St. Cronin. IF two wolves are up, how do you take the heat off them? You've got to get a third party.

Now that one of the people I'm curious about has voted for me, I'll throw his name and the other out there. Racer and Axxon will need some attention. The "clever" line pinged me earlier and it might be nothing, but was odd nonetheless.

I don't know why he thinks I'm all the clever. The game that is ending tonight was his first game so maybe he thinks my voting 10 or 15 seconds after the night kill post to hold the tiebreaker is clever. I had a hunch that DaddyTorgo was a wolf (and I was right), but going into today I was also almost sure Axxon was good (which unless Axxon is trying to unnecessarily pull something crazy), was wrong. I was convinced Claph was the second wolf. So I pretty much got owned. So that's why I voted for him to start off.

[hoopsguy]

Chief, there was an issue with the PMs (site-wide) earlier today. It delayed Schmidty getting all the PMs out to all the folks, so today started later. I believe the 10PM is just for today, and 9PM is the time for the remaining days.

[EagleFan]

Quick question. Title says deadline at 10. Post #2 (rules) say 9. Which is it? Obviously, it makes a difference in how I can do things here, as 15 mins is a lot less time than an hour and 15 mins.

I think today was pushed back an hour due to a late start.

[claphamsa]

10, sinces roles went out late!

[Racer]

tie = no lynch? If that is the case, that looks like a good reason to keep it that way. Better to no lynch than to lynch a villager right out of the gate, especially when no-one knows if there is a roled villager in the group.

I don't plan on changing my vote tonight, unless it's for self preservation as I would like to get a little bit of time to try to see who the wolves are. I actually like being a villager much better than being a wolf as it's alll about solving the mystery.

No lynch is bad because lynching gives us a voting history.

[Schmidty]

Has Schmidty posted what the results are in the event of a tie?

In case of tie, there will be no lynch. I will put it in the official rules.

[Chief Rum]

Cool, thanks for the responses, guys.

[Schmidty]

Quick question. Title says deadline at 10. Post #2 (rules) say 9. Which is it? Obviously, it makes a difference in how I can do things here, as 15 mins is a lot less time than an hour and 15 mins.

I had a computer problem today, so we started 3 hours late. I decided to give us more time because of that, but the normal time will still be 9 on other days.

[EagleFan]

No lynch is bad because lynching gives us a voting history.

So can a no lynch as the movement can speak volumes. If there is no late movement when a three way tie exists than it probably says that those involved in the tie are villagers and the wolves didn;t want to make a late move on a villager to implicate themselves.

If a no lynch is a result of heavy vote swings that also speaks volumes about where the votes swing from and to and who the players are that are making the vote swings (self defense or questionable). I guess we'll see what happens in the next hour (or so). Hopefully I'll live to see the light of day tomorrow but who knows (maybe I'm a fool for thinking so).

[Mrs. Schmidty]

No lynch is bad because lynching gives us a voting history.

The history is still there, if anything it gives us "noobs" a chance to figure strategy without unknowingly taking out an ally.

[claphamsa]

due to the fact that i want to live, i wont give my ideas on no lyches.... since youve all heard it before. and it gets me killed alot!

[Mrs. Schmidty]

I'll be back in a bit, need to buy fish food before they eat the snail in the tank!

[claphamsa]

I'll be back in a bit, need to buy fish food before they eat the snail in the tank!

ha a fabulous thinkg to have happen on day 1!

[Racer]

I have a question, does PurdueBrad usually play this agressive if he is a villager? He has suggested like 4 different people I think to look at besides who he voted for. He played a much less aggressively in this past simple game. I'm asking this because he is still alive in that game so I'm not positive what his role is. I'm not saying this just because he suggested me. I'm just trying to get a feel on what is normal for him when he is a villager.

[claphamsa]

hes farily good vilegrar, but as a wolf he tends to throw himself aroudn trying to get people killed (thats why i havent changed my vote)

[hoopsguy]

My PB villager impressions are steady, persistant player. Willing to think things through, usually ends up in right place midgame. And impossible to shake once he is convinced of an idea, often to my dismay.

[Chief Rum]

Alright, before I get totally engrossed in the game I'll introduce myself a bit! No, I'm not from Michigan, originally I'm from California. I think that I'm officially a Washingtonian though since I've been here for pretty much the last 20 years.
I work full time in a photo lab and photography would be one of my biggest hobbies. I'm stubborn as hell as I'm sure some of you already know (ha!) but am also pretty upbeat (I sound like I"m filling out a personal add!).

Oh ya, and I'm "hawt", but not "flat!"

Now...back to reading and trying to figure out who to send packin'!

Hey, welcome to the game and the board! :)

What part of CA are you from? I'm down in the LA/OC area.

[KWhit]

Hello all. Anybody have a vote count?

[Alan T]

Hello all. Anybody have a vote count?


5) PurdueBrad - Claphamsa (141), The Jackal (150), Render (214), Passacaglia (222), Axxon (246)
4) Mccollins - Jetsin06 (142), Telle (176), oliegirl (187), henry296 (191)
4) Eaglefan - Alan T (155), Hoopsguy (197), path12 (203), PurdueBrad (204)
1) Oliegirl - Mccollins (125)
1) Axxon - Racer (128)
1) Hoopsguy - Eaglefan (136)
1) Path12 - Lonestargirl (185)
1) Jetsin06 - Mrs. Schmidty (240)


No vote: Kwhit, Chief Rum

[Chief Rum]

5) PurdueBrad - Claphamsa (141), The Jackal (150), PurdueBrad (214), Passacaglia (222), Axxon (246)
4) Mccollins - Jetsin06 (142), Telle (176), oliegirl (187), henry296 (191)
4) Eaglefan - Alan T (155), Hoopsguy (197), path12 (203), PurdueBrad (204)
1) Oliegirl - Mccollins (125)
1) Axxon - Racer (128)
1) Hoopsguy - Eaglefan (136)
1) Path12 - Lonestargirl (185)
1) Jetsin06 - Mrs. Schmidty (240)

Okay, here's an update, purely for myself.

[Chief Rum]

5) PurdueBrad - Claphamsa (141), The Jackal (150), Render (214), Passacaglia (222), Axxon (246)
4) Mccollins - Jetsin06 (142), Telle (176), oliegirl (187), henry296 (191)
4) Eaglefan - Alan T (155), Hoopsguy (197), path12 (203), PurdueBrad (204)
1) Oliegirl - Mccollins (125)
1) Axxon - Racer (128)
1) Hoopsguy - Eaglefan (136)
1) Path12 - Lonestargirl (185)
1) Jetsin06 - Mrs. Schmidty (240)


No vote: Kwhit, Chief Rum

And it was a waste of time, lol.

[KWhit]

Well.... I don't want a no-lynch, but tying things up at this point might tell us something with late switches between now and deadline.

Vote mccollins

[Racer]

VOTE RendeR

Because he's a bengals fan.

Hopfully I can get back on before 9, but it will be close.

I was unfair to RendeR and we need to consolidate votes. Automatically excluding voting for people that could help save you is a bad omen.

UNVOTE RendeR
VOTE mccollins

How is any vote in the first hour or so of the game any more unfair then another? Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "bad omen".


Unvote Axxon[B]
[B]Vote PurdueBrad

Anyways, as I said earlier, my Axxon vote is because of the way the last game has turned out. All of the initial votes on EagleFan came from what was probably dumb luck on EagleFan's part. After the first vote, there was a lot of quick pile on for him. Both mccollins and PurdueBrad have been praised about being good villagers so I'm changing my vote to the one I'm a little more weary of.

[Racer]

Unvote Axxon
Vote PurdueBrad

Since it got messed up the first time.

[Chief Rum]

I shouldn't dodge the leaders here, although not sure they are the best choices. But at this point, really, what do we know?

The second vote on hoops by EF bugs me a little, but looking at the time stamps, I just don't buy he knew about Alan's vote. Plus, really, who does that (looks to add a second vote right away)?

If I give EF the benefit of the doubt, it's between PB and mccollins. Not wild about either choice there either, but I am not one to sit on the fence for Day One. I think I'll be completely selfish with this one. I believe both PB and mccollins are strong players, but mccollins always seems to vote for me (feels that way anyway), so I'm going to vote for him.

This moves it into a tie, though, so I am prepared to change my vote if KWhit doesn't break the tie.

VOTE MCCOLLINS

[Alan T]

Every time Mccollins or Eaglefan get close to being in trouble, suddenly someone else shows up to help bump PurdueBrad higher.

[oliegirl]

I would really prefer to not have a tie/no lynch...as a rule I'm against no lynch as I don't think it tells us anything. It's werewolf, someone has to be the first to die. If we lynch someone we have a chance of getting a wolf, if we don't lynch anyone, we know he have no chance and we basically start day 2 back at square one...

[KWhit]

Every time Mccollins or Eaglefan get close to being in trouble, suddenly someone else shows up to help bump PurdueBrad higher.

Yep.

[Chief Rum]

Unvote Axxon
Vote PurdueBrad

Since it got messed up the first time.

Okay, if my count is right, that does actually move it into a tie (6-6) between PB and mccollins. I will switch off of mccollins in 12 mins (10 mins before deadline) if there is still a tie. Plenty of time for anyone else to change up if they want (before and after).

I'm not a fan of ties after seeing too many no lynches.

Does anyone have any thoughts on which is actually the best player to vote for this game, BTW? This might be the time to make cases if anyone feels strongly.

[The Jackal]

Every time Mccollins or Eaglefan get close to being in trouble, suddenly someone else shows up to help bump PurdueBrad higher.

Does smell a little fishy.

[The Jackal]

Let's spice things up, then.

Unvote PB

Vote EF

[oliegirl]

My vote is on McCollins b/c he voted for me, I'm more than happy to move it to PB to avoid the tie...

[Chief Rum]

Every time Mccollins or Eaglefan get close to being in trouble, suddenly someone else shows up to help bump PurdueBrad higher.

Well, I can't help with that now. If we take that as a sign one or both of them are wolves, a switch to EF would only drop mccollins out of a tie with PB.

[LoneStarGirl]

11 members on with 18 minutes to go.

[Chief Rum]

Let's spice things up, then.

Unvote PB

Vote EF

Okay, mccollins 6, EF 5, PB 5. Right?

[henry296]

At the time I voted for mccollins he was tied for the lead with PB and clap but said he wouldn't vote for either. That seemed odd at the time, but now that I look back on it maybe not so much. However, not much of a reason to change to PB yet.

[claphamsa]

lrtd take this to 2...

unvote pb
vote eaglesfan

[Racer]

I'm willing to move my vote to any of the three really. I just don't necessarily like the two quick pile on votes on EagleFan after Hoopsguy voted for him. Did it put him in the lead at the time or just tie things up? That makes a difference.

[Chief Rum]

lrtd take this to 2...

unvote pb
vote eaglesfan


That ties us up. EF 6, mccollins 6, PB 4.

A run to protect PB now?

[KWhit]

lrtd take this to 2...

unvote pb
vote eaglesfan


What's the purpose of this vote?

[claphamsa]

im thinking we are a paranoid bunch but everyhone is seeing runs....

[Chief Rum]

At the time I voted for mccollins he was tied for the lead with PB and clap but said he wouldn't vote for either. That seemed odd at the time, but now that I look back on it maybe not so much. However, not much of a reason to change to PB yet.

You're right, that was odd, too. Render questioned him on it. I understand loyalty to friends, but like Render said, this is WW.

[claphamsa]

What's the purpose of this vote?


make it 2 WOLF RACE!

[claphamsa]

You're right, that was odd, too. Render questioned him on it. I understand loyalty to friends, but like Render said, this is WW.


i woudlont read too much into it. but he has said this in 3-4 other games, and it is a day one vote, if it was day 3-4 that would mean something!

[LoneStarGirl]

What's the purpose of this vote?

Looks like they are protecting PB... but it is too early in the game for this run. Might just be a coincidence, but I dont like it.

[hoopsguy]

I have no idea if we're making a good/bad vote here, so I'm inclined to let my vote ride.

And I'm preparing for chaos at 8:59 when everyone and their mom's decide to personally make sure there isn't a tie.

[Chief Rum]

i woudlont read too much into it. but he has said this in 3-4 other games, and it is a day one vote, if it was day 3-4 that would mean something!

But if these votes mean nothing, why are we all switching around? I feel that wolves are manipulating this somehow, and it might not become obvious for a while.

[The Jackal]

I certainly wasn't trying to protect PB, I was just agreeing with Alan that it seemed like the other two were being protected.

[Chief Rum]

I have no idea if we're making a good/bad vote here, so I'm inclined to let my vote ride.

And I'm preparing for chaos at 8:59 when everyone and their mom's decide to personally make sure there isn't a tie.

Is Eaglefan here? His vote isn't on one of the other candidates. I think he said he was going out for a bit earlier, don't recall if he said he would be back.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

What part of CA are you from? I'm down in the LA/OC area.

Santa Cruz though I did live down in Moorepark for a VERY short while back in '98, only about 3 months.

[KWhit]

But if these votes mean nothing, why are we all switching around? I feel that wolves are manipulating this somehow, and it might not become obvious for a while.

Exactly.

Villagers know NOTHING at this point. There is no real reason to be switching votes this late if you're a villager (except to break a tie - certainly not to create one).

[oliegirl]

I don't see the reason for the votes on EF, I'd switch to PB if needed, but not to EF.

I'm off to have a late dinner, I'll be back after deadline - hopefully we manage to lynch someone, and hopefully that someone turns out to be a wolf...

[hoopsguy]

Eagle is in the thread. PB is the one who isn't going to be around due to college drinking deal. Chug, chug, chug!

[EagleFan]

unvote hoops

vote mccollins


I really hate to do that as I see no reason to vote for him yet but I need to save my butt at this point. I'll know who to look at with the votes on me though.

[KWhit]

I don't see the reason for the votes on EF, I'd switch to PB if needed, but not to EF.

I'm off to have a late dinner, I'll be back after deadline - hopefully we manage to lynch someone, and hopefully that someone turns out to be a wolf...

I don't understand this post. There's not a real reason for votes on anyone at this point, is there?

So why would you switch to PB but not EF?

[Chief Rum]

Santa Cruz though I did live down in Moorepark for a VERY short while back in '98, only about 3 months.

I have been through Santa Cruz a couple times on my way up to the Bay Area. Seems like a nice area. I have always liked the central coastal California areas like Carmel/Monterey and around there up to SF.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

And I'm preparing for chaos at 8:59 when everyone and their mom's decide to personally make sure there isn't a tie.

LOL exactly what I was thinking...but to whom do you switch with really nothing to base the decision on other than some serious over analyzing.

[EagleFan]

I would like to vote for Bill Gates though. As I was trying to type in a response my PC restarted and installed updates (talk about bad timing).

[Chief Rum]

LOL exactly what I was thinking...but to whom do you switch with really nothing to base the decision on other than some serious over analyzing.

That's what makes those last switches so insane, especially on Day One. Because no one but wolves should be making those moves, and only to save one of their cohorts. But here we are. Are we all wolves? I swomehow doubt this is Alan's reverse wolf game all over again. :)

[hoopsguy]

"YOU TOLD US WINDOWS 98 WOULD BE FASTER, AND MORE EFFICIENT, WITH BETTER ACCESS TO THE INTERNET!"

[Alan T]

That's what makes those last switches so insane, especially on Day One. Because no one but wolves should be making those moves, and only to save one of their cohorts. But here we are. Are we all wolves? I swomehow doubt this is Alan's reverse wolf game all over again. :)

I was hoping that everyone would have forgotten about that game by now... :devil:

[Chief Rum]

"YOU TOLD US WINDOWS 98 WOULD BE FASTER, AND MORE EFFICIENT, WITH BETTER ACCESS TO THE INTERNET!"

Well, he was right. Do you remember the crap that was Windows 95? :)

[Alan T]

Well, looks like the final vote count is:

7) Mccollins - Jetsin06 (142), Telle (176), oliegirl (187), henry296 (191), Kwhit (284), Chief Rum (287), Eaglefan (316)
6) Eaglefan - Alan T (155), Hoopsguy (197), path12 (203), PurdueBrad (204), The Jackal (293), Claphamsa (299)
4) PurdueBrad - Render (214), Passacaglia (222), Axxon (246), Racer (286)
1) Oliegirl - Mccollins (125)
1) Path12 - Lonestargirl (185)
1) Jetsin06 - Mrs. Schmidty (240)

[Chief Rum]

I was hoping that everyone would have forgotten about that game by now... :devil:

Heh...I know you talk that game down, but I thought it was bleepin' brilliant. :)

[Schmidty]

DEADLINE

[oliegirl]

I don't understand this post. There's not a real reason for votes on anyone at this point, is there?

So why would you switch to PB but not EF?

My vote on McCollins was placed only because he voted for me, no other reason. It just seemed odd that there was such a run on EF. When I made my original comment about switching, PB and Mc were the only two in danger, so I didn't mind moving my vote to ensure a lynch. But with three in the mix, it changes things...

[EagleFan]

Well, he was right. Do you remember the crap that was Windows 95? :)

Dare I say Windows ME?

[Chief Rum]

Comedy...would be looking back on this and seeing that all the wolves voted early and left for the day, so it was all just villagers providing each other with heartburn and what not.

Heh...usually Day One is on Monday, and I always work then. It's different to actually be here for the deadline. :)

[Chief Rum]

Dare I say Windows ME?

A pox on you!

Technically, ME came after 98, otherwise I would have said that instead of 95.

[Schmidty]

Ok. Here's my final vote count:


7) Mccollins - Jetsin06 (142), Telle (176), oliegirl (187), henry296 (191) Kwhit(284) Chief (287), Eaglefan (316)
6) Eaglefan - Alan T (155), Hoopsguy (197), path12 (203), PurdueBrad (204), The Jackal (293), Claphamsa (299)
4) PurdueBrad - RendeR (214), Passacaglia (222), Axxon (246) Racer(285)
1) Oliegirl - Mccollins (125)
1) Path12 - Lonestargirl (185)
1) Jetsin06 - Mrs. Schmidty (240)

I'll be back with the results in a few.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

So now we wait...

[claphamsa]

So now we wait...

now you understand why YOU have to put the kids to bed at deadline time ;)

[path12]

Has Jetsin06 been here lately? I've got to go back and see why he voted collins.

[LoneStarGirl]

hurry your husband up!

[path12]

Has Jetsin06 been here lately? I've got to go back and see why he voted collins.

Never mind. I didn't notice he was here. So why'd you vote for collins?

[Chief Rum]

Never mind. I didn't notice he was here. So why'd you vote for collins?

Well, to be fair, mccollins had seven voters, not just jets. Or are you saying you're relatively satisfied with the reasons for the other votes, but not jet's? I don't actually recall his reasoning.

[path12]

Hmpf. And now he's gone.

[path12]

Well, to be fair, mccollins had seven voters, not just jets. Or are you saying you're relatively satisfied with the reasons for the other votes, but not jet's? I don't actually recall his reasoning.

No, it was just that it was so much earlier than the others. He implied it was random when he made the vote, but since I've not played with him I'd like to hear his reasoning.

[Axxon]

OK, now that the other game is over I can finally say why I voted for PB.

He cost his team the win in that one and it was illogical to do so.

Now, in my opinion, on day one we don't know if we're getting a wolf or a villager so it's hard to really pick who to lynch but if we can pick a bad player, one that in the face of overwhelming logic picks wrong, then losing him is no big loss and if he's a wolf big gain.

Hoopsguy's opinion ( now mine as well ) sealed the deal.


My PB villager impressions are steady, persistant player. Willing to think things through, usually ends up in right place midgame. And impossible to shake once he is convinced of an idea, often to my dismay.

I think that was clearly born out in that game and I don't think it's a quality I want in a fellow villager.

[The Jackal]

I imagine we're getting some of Lovecraft's flourish with this writeup, I'm excited.

[mccollins]

I'm curious as to why you wouldn't vote for them on day 1? its not like personal freindships mean anything in WW, so why limit yourself from voting for 2 of the 3 high vote getters at this point? (you being the third obviously)

I find that rather suspicious, granted its probably just personal influence entering into an impersonal arena, but I'd like to hear more as to why you shouldn't go for one of them?

I'm still catching up so I hope I'm not dead...

It's just the way I've always played here. I know it stinks to get kicked out of the game on day 1 and have to watch and be silent for a week or two so I prefer not to do that to the few online acquaintances I have here.

If no one is suspicious and it's all just random on day 1 then I'm not going to try to boot my buds out of the whole game for no reason.

[claphamsa]

born out?

[mccollins]

Mccollins has played a few games that I've been in...I'm 99.9% sure that in at least one game he was a wolf...I'm fine with voting for him.

This is my 5th game and I've been a villager every time.
However, I don't mind getting a few votes, I've played long enough now.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

hurry your husband up!

haha, this is Schmidty we're talking about. He's just as long winded and articulate in RL as he is in the game...it could be awhile lol. Not to mention he's typing is with only 2 fingers.

[path12]

Dola, though to be fair there was some distance between EF's first vote and the next two (which I was part of) so really I'm just throwing darts randomly. You know how I hate day 1's....

[path12]

haha, this is Schmidty we're talking about. He's just as long winded and articulate in RL as he is in the game...it could be awhile lol. Not to mention he's typing is with only 2 fingers.

Does he answer his own statements a lot?

[hoopsguy]

Axxon, in the case of the other game (assuming PB is the sorc) PB ended up in the wrong place. I would say that isn't the norm for him, but he is tough to move off a fully-formed opinion and I completely get your frustration.

Someone else will unwittingly screw you out of a win in the next 2-4 games and they can then move to the top of your Day 1 vote list :) Hopefully I'm not that guy.

[JetsIn06]

Never mind. I didn't notice he was here. So why'd you vote for collins?

To be honest, it's my first game and I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing, so I just went random. :)

[Chief Rum]

Dola, though to be fair there was some distance between EF's first vote and the next two (which I was part of) so really I'm just throwing darts randomly. You know how I hate day 1's....

That might be the worst dola of all time. :D

[claphamsa]

Axxon, in the case of the other game (assuming PB is the sorc) PB ended up in the wrong place. I would say that isn't the norm for him, but he is tough to move off a fully-formed opinion and I completely get your frustration.

Someone else will unwittingly screw you out of a win in the next 2-4 games and they can then move to the top of your Day 1 vote list :) Hopefully I'm not that guy.

no love for my multiple fake reveals? I was confused myself at tiems :)

nto that that is hard :(

[JetsIn06]

No, it was just that it was so much earlier than the others. He implied it was random when he made the vote, but since I've not played with him I'd like to hear his reasoning.

The reason it was earlier was because I was 90% sure I wasn't going to be around the entire afternoon, but plans changed...I just didn't think there was a reason to switch my vote this early.

[Schmidty]

After the sheer panic of your situation abates a bit, paranoia sets in. Before long, the paranoia takes on an almost animalistic hysteria. From somewhere deep down, everyone of you realize that your lives are in the balance, and the only way out is to find whatever horror is keeping you trapped in this hell.

Shouting matches ensue, followed by some shoving matches. Eventually, a group of you instinctively turn toward mccollins. In the blink of an eye, the mob closes in on him, pummeling him until he is a bloody and quite dead.

Things settle down, and you all search through his things. The only thing you find, is a book in his satchel entitled "The Canterbury Tales: A Critical Examination".

mccollins was a Student of English Literature.

[oliegirl]

I'm back from dinner, but still no write up :(

I see Schmidty in the thread, so maybe it will be soon....

[hoopsguy]

Clap, everything came up roses for you. But I think as the sorc there you have to follow the guy who gets in the early vote unless you have overwhelming reason not to do so.

If Axxon was bluffing I would have given him props after the game if I was duped. I don't think you can count on a guy in his first game to make that strong a play. I thought a number of people played well in that game, which is part of why it was disappointing to read the ending there. I thought the wolves had earned their win.

[oliegirl]

Guess we have some analyzing to do tomorrow. I'm off to watch a movie, then sleep.

[The Jackal]

Meh. That didn't go very well. And how much do we really press EF since he had a legitimate self preservation reasoning? Tough.

[Schmidty]

I fixed some grammar and stuff in my above post. I'm tired. Have had 2 hours sleep in the last 24 hours. :)

[Chief Rum]

Well, not too much of a surprise. I wish we could devise a game where Day One wasn't so much guess work. It always amazes me when we actually do nab a wolf on Day One. Or like last big game, having two wolves of three targets up as targets, what the heck was that about?

[hoopsguy]

Bummer on mccollins. I don't see any of our roles that match this description, so I guess that is a bright side.

[The Jackal]

Well, not too much of a surprise. I wish we could devise a game where Day One wasn't so much guess work. It always amazes me when we actually do nab a wolf on Day One. Or like last big game, having two wolves of three targets up as targets, what the heck was that about?

The last -two- games in a row we had two wolves as the leading vote getters on day one, craziness.

[Chief Rum]

Meh. That didn't go very well. And how much do we really press EF since he had a legitimate self preservation reasoning? Tough.

I'm not sure I see any more than a self-preservation vote there, although I guess it's one direction to look. I would probably be more interested in the ones that put EF in the position to make that decision.

But then, mccollins voters don't look good either (I am one of those).

[The Jackal]

Oh, I guess Lathum's was a small one, though. Didn't notice the "big" part.

[Chief Rum]

The last -two- games in a row we had two wolves as the leading vote getters on day one, craziness.

Oh, I didn't play the small game, so didn't know that. Wow, that is crazy.

[The Jackal]

Oh, I guess Lathum's was a small one, though. Didn't notice the "big" part.

God I've had too much going on tonight. I'll retract this - I was right the first time. In both the chess game and the lolcat game we had two wolves as the top two vote getters on day 1.

[Axxon]

Axxon, in the case of the other game (assuming PB is the sorc) PB ended up in the wrong place. I would say that isn't the norm for him, but he is tough to move off a fully-formed opinion and I completely get your frustration.

Someone else will unwittingly screw you out of a win in the next 2-4 games and they can then move to the top of your Day 1 vote list :) Hopefully I'm not that guy.

No, it's honestly not frustration it is the second part that I'm concerned about. Someone who doesn't back off a position when it is proven to be a bad one isn't necessarily going to be the best asset.

If he's right, great but if not, not so much. Given that I know less about most of you as players it pushes that vote and knowing how good racer is, it was a no brainer to switch to the person I perceived as the weaker player to vote off the island on day one, all else being equal.

[The Jackal]

Oh, I didn't play the small game, so didn't know that. Wow, that is crazy.

See my retraction. Makes it even crazier. ;)

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Round one goes to the wolves I guess, unless McCollins was smelly, then in an enclosed room it would get obnoxious.
Fun game! I look forward to seeing it progress!

[Alan T]

No, it's honestly not frustration it is the second part that I'm concerned about. Someone who doesn't back off a position when it is proven to be a bad one isn't necessarily going to be the best asset.

If he's right, great but if not, not so much. Given that I know less about most of you as players it pushes that vote and knowing how good racer is, it was a no brainer to switch to the person I perceived as the weaker player to vote off the island on day one, all else being equal.


For good or bad... I think that describes me pretty well too. I've been known to get something in my head and stick with it all the way through. I've been right and looked brilliant at times.. and other times I've looked really bad.. I don't know if that is necessarily a horrible quality to have in some cases.

[Axxon]

For good or bad... I think that describes me pretty well too. I've been known to get something in my head and stick with it all the way through. I've been right and looked brilliant at times.. and other times I've looked really bad.. I don't know if that is necessarily a horrible quality to have in some cases.

Even in that scenario though? It wasn't just stubbornness which can be an asset it's stubbornness in the face of overwhelming logic and not even probing both parties to try and figure it out to see if you might have been wrong?

Anyway, I was mostly explaining my day one vote rather than leading a day 2 crusade. Just wanted to make that clear. :)

[Alan T]

Even in that scenario though? It wasn't just stubbornness which can be an asset it's stubbornness in the face of overwhelming logic and not even probing both parties to try and figure it out to see if you might have been wrong?

Anyway, I was mostly explaining my day one vote rather than leading a day 2 crusade. Just wanted to make that clear. :)

Well I wasn't meaning specifically relating to the previous game you were in with him as much as in general :)

The way you feel about PurdueBrad probably is pretty close to how St.Cronin feels about playing with me though.

[Axxon]

Well I wasn't meaning specifically relating to the previous game you were in with him as much as in general :)

The way you feel about PurdueBrad probably is pretty close to how St.Cronin feels about playing with me though.

Understood and the fact that it was my first game ever does make the pill just a tad bit more bitter. I was supposed to be the guy screwing up. ;)

[Chief Rum]

Even in that scenario though? It wasn't just stubbornness which can be an asset it's stubbornness in the face of overwhelming logic and not even probing both parties to try and figure it out to see if you might have been wrong?

Anyway, I was mostly explaining my day one vote rather than leading a day 2 crusade. Just wanted to make that clear. :)

I have always found Alan to be a strong analyst of game situations, but he's right that he can lock on (he's not the only one, though, but I do remember some interesting stick to his guns moments).

Overwhelming logic is rarely available in WW, so I don't know if Alan has ever challenged that, but he always very probing, regardless.

All that said, I see where you're coming from on PB. But there's really no reason to worry about it right now. We don't lynch anyone again for another 22 hours.

[Schmidty]

As soon as I get all night actions, I'll post the results. Unless I'm too tired.

I work 3rd shift, and tonight's one of my nights off (also have Friday and Saturday off), which kind of sucks, because I'm going to have to wake myself up at 6 a.m. to post results if they aren't all in before I fall asleep. :(

[mccollins]

Alright, before I get totally engrossed in the game I'll introduce myself a bit! No, I'm not from Michigan, originally I'm from California. I think that I'm officially a Washingtonian though since I've been here for pretty much the last 20 years.
I work full time in a photo lab and photography would be one of my biggest hobbies. I'm stubborn as hell as I'm sure some of you already know (ha!) but am also pretty upbeat (I sound like I"m filling out a personal add!).

Oh ya, and I'm "hawt", but not "flat!"

Now...back to reading and trying to figure out who to send packin'!

Welcome!! I really enjoy photography as well, but I'm very much a novice. I received a Nikon D40 as a grad school graduation present from all my family. I had been lusting for it for quite a while ... :D

[mccollins]

mccollins always seems to vote for me (feels that way anyway), so I'm going to vote for him.


bah - I didn't keep very good records in the cat game, but besides that I've only voted for you once before (was in the chess game).

One perk about voting for you - you're not around during the day before deadline to attack back :devil:

[PurdueBrad]

MF, sorry to come back to see the other game and after reading it, I really wish you guys just would've lynched me this game. I'm out for the night, but seriously, even though I am a villager, christ almighty did I screw up the other game so you know what, Axxon's right. Vote for the weak link.

[mccollins]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

... ahem ....

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

I even told y'all I wouldn't be around for deadline to save myself. Oh well. Reading from the sidelines yet again.

[The Jackal]

MF, sorry to come back to see the other game and after reading it, I really wish you guys just would've lynched me this game. I'm out for the night, but seriously, even though I am a villager, christ almighty did I screw up the other game so you know what, Axxon's right. Vote for the weak link.

PB, we've all made bad plays. Do you forget when you had me convinced that someone who'd just killed two wolves was the last wolf in the Battlestar game? :D

This is a different game, let's move on with it.

[Axxon]

MF, sorry to come back to see the other game and after reading it, I really wish you guys just would've lynched me this game. I'm out for the night, but seriously, even though I am a villager, christ almighty did I screw up the other game so you know what, Axxon's right. Vote for the weak link.

Sounds more like, vote for the drunk link. I had my reasons to vote for you round one but I think I'll reserve my options for this one.

Have a pleasant sleep.

[PurdueBrad]

Sadly Axxon, I volunteered to be DD tonight, so not even the joy of a buzz.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Welcome!! I really enjoy photography as well, but I'm very much a novice. I received a Nikon D40 as a grad school graduation present from all my family. I had been lusting for it for quite a while ... :D

Can I just say I'm jealous? I've wanted that camera for awhile. The current digital I have is just a little aim and shoot one, a hand-me-down from a friend. I need to just bit the bullet and get the one I want. There just always seems to be something I want/need more! :)

[Schmidty]

I need to just bit the bullet

Come again?

[Schmidty]

I'm kind of annoyed that I stayed awake this late on my day off. Almost no sleep in.....who the heck knows. Too tired. Maybe my wife knows. I'm done.

I won't be around at the night deadline. I'm tired beyond belief, and this is my daughter's last day of Kindergarten, so we will be there for the last hour of class , which is like 11:30 - 12:30 PST. If a miracle happens, I might have time before we leave. If not, sorry, but I don't have all the night actions right now.

Good night.

[claphamsa]

Schmidty, you shodul set the deadlines wherever they work for you and to hell with everyone else :) no reason you shoudl have to be up at 6AM on your day off :)

[Alan T]

I made a mistake in my last game by going to death on night 1 without really vocalising that I felt it important to go after PurdueBrad (who was a wolf that game) the next day. I didn't want to throw out a gut call, get killed and then have people take it for gospel the next day in case I was wrong.. This time, in case I'm killed tonight, I want to at least get out my thoughts before I die. Don't take any of this for gospel so to speak, it is simply what is spinning around in my head currently..

Without knowing who a wolf is yet, we don't really have alot of answers for some of the movement that happened on day 1 yesterday. Among the oddest movement that struck me oddly was the number of people who jumped ship to vote others in order to try to apparently save or doom others. Normally on day 1, I don't know of many reasons to try to save someone if you are a villager.. why come out and defend someone that you may or may not know is bad and put your own neck on the line if they do end up bad?

The oddest move of the day that I caught last night was to me Render's pushing for a third candidate in PurdueBrad and how quickly he went from 2+ back to suddenly 2 ahead in the voting for a while. I looked through all of that interaction again, and Render still seems a bit odd to me however re-reading through, another name jumped out with huge warning lights to me.


Racer started off the day trying to get the first vote out of the gate (but was beat by mccollins just barely), but then he had the following post that I remember struck me as odd yesterday but I had forgotten about it:

I don't even remember what my major was. I'll have to relook at my PM from Schmidty to see.

I don't want to focus on this too much as Schmidty made it clear in the rules to not play games with the wording in PMs.. All I have to say is I know very clearly what field of study I am in, and the previous post just doesn't fit right for me.

Now to the next few posts, where I already brought up Render bringing in the third candidate, but it seems that Racer was pretty eager to support that as well.

I haven't done the math, but the probability of there being one wolf in a group of three is substantially higher then there being two wolves in a group of three.

So based on your analysis, I think it would be better to go with a group of three then it would be to go with a group of two.

If Mccollins had turned up bad, I think I would beeline for Render and Racer at this point, the fact Mccollins was a villager helps give some with their arguement in this case, however Racer took it a step further:

I double checked this. EagleFan's post was one minute after the other guy's so I seriously doubt EagleFan saw the other guy's post and made his post in that span of time.

Racer started supporting Eaglefan slightly or subtly in the above post and then started trying to throw some doubt in people's mind about PurdueBrad in the next post.. at least enough doubt that a pretty strong run on PurdueBrad had started to form.

I have a question, does PurdueBrad usually play this agressive if he is a villager? He has suggested like 4 different people I think to look at besides who he voted for. He played a much less aggressively in this past simple game. I'm asking this because he is still alive in that game so I'm not positive what his role is. I'm not saying this just because he suggested me. I'm just trying to get a feel on what is normal for him when he is a villager.

Take note though, that while arguing a point or getting the wheels in motion for the PurdueBrad run, he still hadn't moved his vote at all until the next post in which you can't see what he had quoted there, but he did two things in the next post.. He defended Render and then moved his vote to PurdueBrad with Render:

How is any vote in the first hour or so of the game any more unfair then another? Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "bad omen".


[b]Unvote Axxon[b]
Vote PurdueBrad

Anyways, as I said earlier, my Axxon vote is because of the way the last game has turned out. All of the initial votes on EagleFan came from what was probably dumb luck on EagleFan's part. After the first vote, there was a lot of quick pile on for him. Both mccollins and PurdueBrad have been praised about being good villagers so I'm changing my vote to the one I'm a little more weary of.

Unvote Axxon
Vote PurdueBrad

Since it got messed up the first time.


I haven't played too many games with Racer, and normally the type of play that is striking my wolf-radar really strongly above is something that I don't attribute to players that I have not played alot with.. However in Racer's last game (which I did not play in), I read along the entire game and was really impressed with his play.. So I don't doubt that he is capable of this level of play as a wolf either.

Anyhows just like I said, if I die don't take this as gospel, it just is what I had turning in my head this morning after yesterday. I guess it really depends on what happens in the night 1 phase before I really decide to go forward with any direction of thought just yet.

[oliegirl]

I agree with Clap, make the deadlines convenient for you...

And congrats on your daughter graduating kindergarten...to this day, my son in his little mortarboard hat sitting with all his kindergarten classmates is one of the cutest things I've ever seen!!!

[Telle]

The bit about Racer not remembering his field of study stuck out at me too. Wouldn't you just go look it up if you were going to mention it at all? It's not that hard to check your PM. Or else why even say anything?

[JetsIn06]

Alan T...Thanks for sharing your thoughts. As a noob, it's nice to see what is going through the heads of an experienced player.

[mccollins]

Schmidty, you shodul set the deadlines wherever they work for you and to hell with everyone else :) no reason you shoudl have to be up at 6AM on your day off :)

Ditto ... and you can still change them.

BBBRRRAAAAIIINNNSSS!!

[Racer]

Alan T, I never defended or intended to defend Render. I was pretty torn on whether or not to move my vote to McCollins or PurdueBrad yesterday. I had pinned as the sorcerer, but then I started having a lot of doubt when he had not yet moved his vote. Him playing so much more aggressively in this game made me think he was on the opposite side that he was on that game.

[Racer]

The not remembering my major is also just silly. I was just making conversation. I would do that whether I was a villager or a wolf.

[Telle]

You know, talking about the last game in this game is rather confusing if you weren't in the last game. Can we try to limit such conversation please?

[PurdueBrad]

I'm going to be leaving in about an hour for the weekend (in-laws for father's day weekend) so I'll have a vote in. Right now I'm pretty sure most of you can tell who I most want to vote for.

[claphamsa]

kinda hard to vote durign the night tho ;)

[PurdueBrad]

kinda hard to vote durign the night tho ;)

Good call, likely leaving then without voting. I would probably then vote for the person that didn't put in a vote.

[Racer]

You know, talking about the last game in this game is rather confusing if you weren't in the last game. Can we try to limit such conversation please?

I was in the last game.

[Telle]

I was in the last game.

Yeah but I wasn't.. and it's confusing the hell out of me with all the talk in this game about last game.

[Alan T]

Good call, likely leaving then without voting. I would probably then vote for the person that didn't put in a vote.

Everyone voted didn't they?

[Passacaglia]

Claph, looking at the voting trends. Even if it weren't me, I'm still surprised at RendeR and Pass bringing in a third candidate. Especially, as Alan has said, when neither Mccollins or Eagle has voted yet. This is almost identical to what Hoops and I tried to engineer in the previous game by bringing in St. Cronin. IF two wolves are up, how do you take the heat off them? You've got to get a third party.

Now that one of the people I'm curious about has voted for me, I'll throw his name and the other out there. Racer and Axxon will need some attention. The "clever" line pinged me earlier and it might be nothing, but was odd nonetheless.

(Apologies to Telle for mentioning a prior game here-- it's a pet peeve of mine, too) I think that bringing in three candidates helped us a lot in the lolcat game. Reading Day 1 of that game again, I didn't see much 'engineering' of a run on cronin by you guys. There were a couple early villager votes, then KWhit. Then you guys for self-defense. If any engineering was done, I still blame heinz for that (no worries heinz -- if you want to get me back, you can talk about how during Day 2 I thought PB was the Fool, and hoops was the Seer). Anyway, in that game, PB, your vote on cronin was pretty telling later in the game.

[Passacaglia]

Every time Mccollins or Eaglefan get close to being in trouble, suddenly someone else shows up to help bump PurdueBrad higher.

This post struck me as odd. It was post 288, yet a vote for PB was made in post 286, then the vote after it was for mccollins -- seemed like if anything, attempts were made to save PB. Maybe it was a "you had to be there" kinda thing, and Alan was talking more about what happened before. I'll look into that later.

[PurdueBrad]

Everyone voted didn't they?

I meant for tonight's lynch.

[PurdueBrad]

I'm assuming this vote won't count as the night results are yet to process but I'll still try and get a vote in. As much as I want to vote for myself here, I will resist because that's throwing in the towel a bit too much for me.

vote RendeR

Same reasons as I said look at him from yesterday as I'm not sold on the idea of putting up a third candidate still but frankly wtf do I know. Out till Sunday evening.

If my vote doesn't count, lynch me for not voting.

[Alan T]

This post struck me as odd. It was post 288, yet a vote for PB was made in post 286, then the vote after it was for mccollins -- seemed like if anything, attempts were made to save PB. Maybe it was a "you had to be there" kinda thing, and Alan was talking more about what happened before. I'll look into that later.


Perhaps it was perspective from sitting there watching the entire time, but I saw several runs out of the blue that pushed PB from 2 back to 1 ahead of multiple candidates multiple times for no real good reason. It felt fabricated then for the reasons I mentioned previously.

After the first run on PB, I had decided that out of the three PB seemed least likely to be a wolf based on how easy it was for others to dump on him like that. Maybe I just made a poor read there, but I just didn't see any reason for so many people to jump around to try to save people on a day 1 vote.. There isn't really any good reason for that.

[Telle]

Is it just me or does PurdueBrad seem pretty eager to get lynched? What type of wolf is it that can take out another player when they're lynched? Or maybe he has some sort of Duke ability that he wants to prove?

[Alan T]

I meant for tonight's lynch.

I'm assuming this vote won't count as the night results are yet to process but I'll still try and get a vote in. As much as I want to vote for myself here, I will resist because that's throwing in the towel a bit too much for me.

vote RendeR

Same reasons as I said look at him from yesterday as I'm not sold on the idea of putting up a third candidate still but frankly wtf do I know. Out till Sunday evening.

If my vote doesn't count, lynch me for not voting.

I still don't understand. You said you are going to vote for the person who hasn't voted, then say you meant for tonight's lynch , when none of us had voted yet.. then vote for Render.. Does this mean you know Render isnt voting tonight for some reason? Or am I just completely clueless about what you are talking about here?

[PurdueBrad]

Alan, IF my vote doesn't count because it is still the night phase, then I will not have voted. Therefore, vote for me.

[PurdueBrad]

Is it just me or does PurdueBrad seem pretty eager to get lynched? What type of wolf is it that can take out another player when they're lynched? Or maybe he has some sort of Duke ability that he wants to prove?

Negative Telle, read the end of the simple game and it should be obvious, I'm pretty disillusioned by my own play.

[Alan T]

Ok, re-read through to try to make sense of what you are saying...

I'm going to be leaving in about an hour for the weekend (in-laws for father's day weekend) so I'll have a vote in. Right now I'm pretty sure most of you can tell who I most want to vote for.

I assumed you wanted to vote for Render for trying to get you lynched yesterday and campaigning for it?

Good call, likely leaving then without voting. I would probably then vote for the person that didn't put in a vote.

Then here I don't understand what you mean.. You probably then vote for the person who didn't put in a vote.. Since we only had one vote, yesterday and everyone voted I don't follow this so asked about that..

I meant for tonight's lynch.

This only further confuses me... You meant for tonight's lynch someone who didn't put in a vote? No one has yet..

I'm assuming this vote won't count as the night results are yet to process but I'll still try and get a vote in. As much as I want to vote for myself here, I will resist because that's throwing in the towel a bit too much for me.

vote RendeR

Same reasons as I said look at him from yesterday as I'm not sold on the idea of putting up a third candidate still but frankly wtf do I know. Out till Sunday evening.

If my vote doesn't count, lynch me for not voting.

So I'm more confused now than before. I think I need to drink more.

[PurdueBrad]

Now I'm out for the weekend before my wife kills me too.

[path12]

Is it just me or does PurdueBrad seem pretty eager to get lynched? What type of wolf is it that can take out another player when they're lynched? Or maybe he has some sort of Duke ability that he wants to prove?

It's usually called a brutal wolf or some such. I can't decide if I like your explanation or he's just bummed about the other game (which I didn't read either so I'm in agreement with you on the confusion).

[Alan T]

Alan, IF my vote doesn't count because it is still the night phase, then I will not have voted. Therefore, vote for me.


Ahh ok.. You mean you wanted everyone else to vote for the person who didnt vote today (you?) Why not just see if Schmidty will take a conditional order? I would assume since it is not your fault that today is only going to be like 7 hours long or less on a Friday that you can't be around. Drop him a PM and see if he'll take a conditional vote.

[Telle]

Alan, I think he meant that IF he was around for the vote tonight he would most likely vote for someone who hadn't put in a vote by later tonight. But since he won't be around tonight he doesn't know who might not have a vote in and thus he is choosing to vote for RendeR.

[Alan T]

It's usually called a brutal wolf or some such. I can't decide if I like your explanation or he's just bummed about the other game (which I didn't read either so I'm in agreement with you on the confusion).

I read the other game. I think he is just down on himself, and a few people took his play a bit hard so he probably feels down about it and not enjoying that. (Many of us have been there many times before).

I think he just is only halfway going through the motions today personally.

[PurdueBrad]

Okay, one last post:

Alan, basically I'm saying vote for me. Since my vote won't likely count because night actions are still processing, I'm saying to people vote for the person who won't have voted tonight (me).

I am voting for RendeR rather than myself because I don't quite want to throw in the towel that easily. And as I said, I'm still not sold on the third party option on day one.

[PurdueBrad]

I read the other game. I think he is just down on himself, and a few people took his play a bit hard so he probably feels down about it and not enjoying that. (Many of us have been there many times before).

I think he just is only halfway going through the motions today personally.

No sarcasm meant here, but you're dead on with this post. Have a good weekend and fathers, happy father's day.

[Lorena]

Alright, before I get totally engrossed in the game I'll introduce myself a bit! No, I'm not from Michigan, originally I'm from California. I think that I'm officially a Washingtonian though since I've been here for pretty much the last 20 years.
I work full time in a photo lab and photography would be one of my biggest hobbies. I'm stubborn as hell as I'm sure some of you already know (ha!) but am also pretty upbeat (I sound like I"m filling out a personal add!).

Oh ya, and I'm "hawt", but not "flat!"

Now...back to reading and trying to figure out who to send packin'!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:welcome:

[hoopsguy]

PB, you made a bad call at the end of the other game. It happens to just about all of us who have played a few games. It sucks. It is probably magnified by the fact that you are playing in this game at the same time, with some of the same folks from that other game.

That said, you aren't doing your teammates (villagers or wolves) any favors by playing with a "woe is me, I'm an idiot" attitude. Frankly, you are better than you played yesterday and so far today.

Assuming you are still around on Monday, I'm hoping to see you back to yourself from a werewolf perspective. That's it, lecture over.

[path12]

PB, you made a bad call at the end of the other game. It happens to just about all of us who have played a few games. It sucks. It is probably magnified by the fact that you are playing in this game at the same time, with some of the same folks from that other game.

That said, you aren't doing your teammates (villagers or wolves) any favors by playing with a "woe is me, I'm an idiot" attitude. Frankly, you are better than you played yesterday and so far today.

Assuming you are still around on Monday, I'm hoping to see you back to yourself from a werewolf perspective. That's it, lecture over.

I can't really add much to this. God knows it's easy to make shitty calls in this game, but you've got to play aggressively, so it's going to happen.

Just ask anyone who's been the target of one of my mistaken fixations lately. Lathum for example.

[EagleFan]

Not to be anal, but can we stop talking about what happened in other games? I don't want my judgement on someone to be clouded by a move made in another game unless it is demonstrating a pattern which appears in this game.

It's not as much the talk of other games but what looks to be an attempt to condemn a person in this game for something done in another. That whole things seems awfully 'wolfish' if you ask me.

[RendeR]

you're all wolves. I don't trust any of yas.

[Alan T]

Not to be anal, but can we stop talking about what happened in other games? I don't want my judgement on someone to be clouded by a move made in another game unless it is demonstrating a pattern which appears in this game.

It's not as much the talk of other games but what looks to be an attempt to condemn a person in this game for something done in another. That whole things seems awfully 'wolfish' if you ask me.


I disagree with the majority of your comment here. I can respect the wishes of people not wanting to relive games that they did not participate within here, but I think it is a complete mistake to overlook someone's playstyle or behavior in past games within this one.

Perhaps one of the reasons I was stronger in encouraging a vote for you over PurdueBrad yesterday was because of past interactions. Nothing to slight you or your ability or my past experiences playing with you, but in my past two games with PurdueBrad, I voted him day 1 both times.. One game he was a duke, one game he was a wolf.. And his behavior yesterday seemed completely different than either of those previous occurances.

Maybe he fooled me yesterday some, I don't know.. it is not too hard to fool someone on day 1, but I felt it worth not going his way yesterday because of how he played it and how others played pushing the vote to him. Will it by him a pass for multiple days? Of course not.. but a day 1 vote is different than the rest of the game.

[Alan T]

Well, taking off from work myself. I'll check in a bit later this afternoon to see if results have been posted.

[The Jackal]

I've already made my thoughts clear on this issue. There are a few decent candidates bumping around here but let's see what happens at night.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:welcome:

Hey girl! He let me into his "man place" haha I'm restricted to WW which is ok with me...for now lol Not so sure I really want to see how he talks on here:D
Do you ever play WW? Seems fun so far, it amazes me how much is read into everything everyone says...I'm sure as it goes I'll find that I have to do that too! For now I'm content to :popcorn:

[Racer]

Mrs. Schmidty is on. Any info on when your husband might post the night action write-up? :)

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Mrs. Schmidty is on. Any info on when your husband might post the night action write-up? :)

I'll see what I can find out :)

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Ok, he siad he didn't get everyone's night actions in time to post it before he passed out, but he said that he'll have it posted by 12:30 (he's currently practically comatose). He also said if everyone wants he would let us have a long weekend if needed, think he meant a long daytime to hash things out.

[The Jackal]

Either way works for me, I'm on during the weekend.

[Racer]

Either way works for me, I'm on during the weekend.

yeah. Doesn't make a difference for me either. I'm okay with both.

[hoopsguy]

Fine with either as well.

[path12]

I'm gone this weekend except for a possible peek in here and there, so a long day would be fine as far as I'm concerned.

[EagleFan]

I disagree with the majority of your comment here. I can respect the wishes of people not wanting to relive games that they did not participate within here, but I think it is a complete mistake to overlook someone's playstyle or behavior in past games within this one.

Perhaps one of the reasons I was stronger in encouraging a vote for you over PurdueBrad yesterday was because of past interactions. Nothing to slight you or your ability or my past experiences playing with you, but in my past two games with PurdueBrad, I voted him day 1 both times.. One game he was a duke, one game he was a wolf.. And his behavior yesterday seemed completely different than either of those previous occurances.

Maybe he fooled me yesterday some, I don't know.. it is not too hard to fool someone on day 1, but I felt it worth not going his way yesterday because of how he played it and how others played pushing the vote to him. Will it by him a pass for multiple days? Of course not.. but a day 1 vote is different than the rest of the game.

Not talking about commenting on someone's play style in general but it seemed that PB must have made a mistaken play and that he was getting hammered about it (maybe I'm misreading it). I'm all for using past playing styles as something to judge by but when it seems to become bitterness over a bad play it does not do anyone any good in this game.

I don't want to see PB get wrongly rung up because of negative comments based on a bad play (I keep using that phrase but perceived bad play may be the best phrase as I have no knowledge of that play).

[oliegirl]

I'm fine with a long day, I'll be very busy this weekend and won't be around much anyway.

[henry296]

Either is fine for me personally, but I think the long day makes sense for the group.

[JetsIn06]

I'm also okay with whatever is good for everyone else.

[KWhit]

I'm out for a while. I'll be off and on over the weekend, butI don't know how much as I have quite a few family commitments.

Later.

[Axxon]

Checking in and also good with whatever we decide to do.

[Schmidty]

I finally woke up. Really tired. Will have results ASAP.

[Alan T]

Popping in to see the night results.. but looks like Schmidty got held up or something. I'm heading out to go out for a while. I'm guessing that I'll be back at some point tonight before bed.

[Passacaglia]

I'm about to leave work. I'm assuming we're not going to have a deadline tonight, but in case we are, fair warning that I probably won't be back in time to make a vote.

[LoneStarGirl]

PB, you made a bad call at the end of the other game. It happens to just about all of us who have played a few games. It sucks. It is probably magnified by the fact that you are playing in this game at the same time, with some of the same folks from that other game.

That said, you aren't doing your teammates (villagers or wolves) any favors by playing with a "woe is me, I'm an idiot" attitude. Frankly, you are better than you played yesterday and so far today.



I agree hoops... that is so Dodgerchick ;)

[LoneStarGirl]

Okay this is weird Schmidty said he would have the results almost an hour ago...

[Schmidty]

PMs are all out. Posting results right now. I had to eat, since I hadn't done so in quite a while.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

I live!!!!!!!!!!

[Schmidty]

Daybreak comes as the darkness coming from the windows turns a slightly lighter shade of gray. You all get up, to take stock of what had gone on during the night which seemed to last forever. Someone gets up to look out the window, but trips over something - The dead body of The Jackal!!

After searching his things, you find a few medical review books, and a small first aid kit in his backpack.

The Jackal was The Pre-Med Student!!

[hoopsguy]

So they got one of the eight listed roles, but we don't really know what pre-med does. I had seen that play as a bodyguard type (keep a person alive if attacked) in some of the earlier games and was worried that we had lost that role. But it appears that the BG = martial arts.

[LoneStarGirl]

Well I guess the bright side of Jackal's death is that he was a mere pre - med student. Doesn't look like he had a very vital role for us villagers.

[LoneStarGirl]

The Jackal put a very late vote on EF... do you think that means anything?

[hoopsguy]

Since we've got some time on our hands, I guess I'll kick back and wait to see if anyone has information to provide. There appear to be quite a few roles in this game so hopefully we can get something out of them:

Student (Villager) - OK, probably not getting any info out of these guys
Psychic (Seer) - when was the last time Day 1 gave us something?
Martial Artist (Bodyguard) - the dead body suggests no block
Snoop (Hunter) - not going to help for a few days
Rageaholic - ???
Manipulator - ???
Pre-med student - DEAD
The Bearer of the Necronomicon - ???

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Are there any markings on the body? Are we allowed to ask for some details? I want CSI on the scene dammit!

[Schmidty]

Are there any markings on the body? Are we allowed to ask for some details? I want CSI on the scene dammit!

You found him with his throat slash through his windpipe, which must be why you heard no scream. Also, you found a strange marking that none of you recognize, carved into his forehead.

Sorry. Should have been specific.

[Schmidty]

Day 2 Has begun. Does everyone want a lynch tonight? Or delay it until Sunday night? I'm fine with either, but either way, I won't be able to run the game on Saturday.

[hoopsguy]

I think we have to wait until Sunday/Monday, based on the feedback from people who won't have availability over the weekend.

[Schmidty]

Since PurdueBrad posted his vote after the day should have begun, I'm going to allow it. It's not his fault that I was comatose all morning. Of course, if he or RendeR had been killed, I wouldn't have counted the vote. :)

[path12]

Well I guess the bright side of Jackal's death is that he was a mere pre - med student. Doesn't look like he had a very vital role for us villagers.

Unless they have a way to poison someone or some kind of delayed kill. That would explain needing both a pre-med along with a bodyguard. But I could also be overthinking the whole thing.

[The Jackal]

sigh. good luck students.

[Schmidty]

Ok, well then I'll say that lynch will take place on Sunday night at 9 p.m. EST.

[path12]

I live!!!!!!!!!!

If it wasn't your very first game, I'd vote you for this.


Reason is this -- it strikes of a wolf pretending to be surprised they're still around. Unless you're a seer or something (and please don't say so if you are!!!) very new players are unlikely wolf targets. They'd probably think that you're confused enough so there's no harm in keeping you around. ;)

[oliegirl]

I'm thinking that the manipulator might be the Duke...kind of makes sense that he/she could "manipulate" the votes? Any ideas there?

[henry296]

Could the pre-med student be like a Duke role that they can save someone from a lynching? Maybe not change the vote but at least save them.

[oliegirl]

If it wasn't your very first game, I'd vote you for this.


Reason is this -- it strikes of a wolf pretending to be surprised they're still around. Unless you're a seer or something (and please don't say so if you are!!!) very new players are unlikely wolf targets. They'd probably think that you're confused enough so there's no harm in keeping you around. ;)

LOL - that pinged my wolfdar as well, but like you, I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt as she is a first timer.

[EagleFan]

At least we now have some vote history to look through for a couple days. Not a lot of vote history as I don't think there were many changes, but at least some.

Going with my gut on this one but I think PB is a good guy this game. He hasn't shown any of his wolfish tell yet and it looks like he is playing like a villager. Unless he's doing a good job of fooling me.

[EagleFan]

If it wasn't your very first game, I'd vote you for this.


Reason is this -- it strikes of a wolf pretending to be surprised they're still around. Unless you're a seer or something (and please don't say so if you are!!!) very new players are unlikely wolf targets. They'd probably think that you're confused enough so there's no harm in keeping you around. ;)

Especially since it was posted before the results... ;)

[hoopsguy]

I'm honestly not sure how I want to proceed with the results from yesterday. I guess I'll start with a voting tree. Time to go diggign through posts ....

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Especially since it was posted before the results... ;)

Schmidty said that I was making myself a target also, but I was just excited when he told me the one that got killed would get a PM and when PM's were out, my box was empty, so woohoo! I'm easily excitable, what can I say? lol

[The Jackal]

Schmidty said that I was making myself a target also, but I was just excited when he told me the one that got killed would get a PM and when PM's were out, my box was empty, so woohoo! I'm easily excitable, what can I say? lol

He lied to you, I didn't get a PM. ;)

Now it's my turn to :popcorn:

[Danny]

Sorry I missed this game. Hopefully a new one starts up before long

[Schmidty]

He lied to you, I didn't get a PM. ;)

Now it's my turn to :popcorn:

That was a screw-up by me, honestly. I thought I did send one, but didn't. My bad.

[The Jackal]

No worries. I've never gotten a "you're dead" PM in my history of WW, to be honest. :)

[Schmidty]

No worries. I've never gotten a "you're dead" PM in my history of WW, to be honest. :)

I've had some games where I got one, and some where I didn't. I think I did the last game I ran. Of course, in that game NO ONE died (except one guy), but that's another story.

[hoopsguy]

Vote review from Day 1. Please feel free to chime in with thoughts on this:

McCollins votes for Oliegirl (random.org) - post #125 1-0 Oliegirl leads
Racer votes Axxon (respects his wolf game) - post #128 1-1 Olie/Axxon
AlanT votes Hoops (payback) - post #134 1-1-1 Olie/Axxon/Hoops
Eagle votes Hoops (LOLcat) - post #136 2-1-1 Hoops/Olie/Axxon
Clap votes PB (just because) - post #141 2-1-1-1 Hoops leads
Jets vote McCollins (pretty random) - post #142 2-1-1-1-1 Hoops leads
Path votes LSG (welcome back) - post #145 2-1-1-1-1-1 Hoops leads
RendeR votes Clap (deserves D1 vote) - post #146 2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 Hoops leads
Henry votes RendeR (Bengals fan) - post #148 2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 Hoops leads
Jackal votes PB (discussion/consolidation) - post #150 2-2 Hoops/PB
Alan unvotes Hoops, votes Eagle (negate run) - post #155 2-many PB leads
Telle votes McCollins (random/gut) - post #176 2-2 PB/McCollins
PB votes Clap (no reason given) - post #181 2-2-2 PB/McCollins/Clap
LSG votes Path (he picks on her) - post #185 2-2-2 PB/McCollins/Clap
Olie votes McCollins (he voted for her) - post #187 3-2-2 McCollins/PB/Clap
Henry unvotes RendeR, votes McCollins (consolidate) - post #191 4-2-2 McCollins/PB/Clap
Hoops votes Eagle (he voted for him 2nd) - post #197 - post #197 4-2-2-2 McCollins/PB/Clap/Eagle
Path unvotes LSG, votes Eagle (2nd vote player, Jackal not a candidate) - post #203 4-3-2-2 McC/Eagle/PB/Clap
PB unvotes Clap, votes Eagle (tie it up) - post #204 4-4-2 McC/Eagle/PB
Axxon votes Racer (respect) - post #212 4-4-2 McC/Eagle/PB
RendeR unvotes Clap, votes PB (3 horse race) - post #214 4-4-3 McC/Eagle/PB
Pass votes PB (agrees with RendeR) - post #222 4-4-4 McC/Eagle/PB
Mrs S votes Jets (random.org) - post #240 4-4-4 McC/Eagle/PB
Axxon unvotes Racer, votes PB (no reason given) - post #246 5-4-4 PB/McC/Eagle
KWhit votes Mccollins (watching late moves) - post #284 5-5-4 PB/McC/Eagle
Racer votes PB (more wary of him than McC) - post #286 6-5-4 PB/McC/Eagle
Chief votes McC (McC votes for him regularly) - post #287 6-6-4 PB/McC/Eagle
Jackal unvotes PB, votes Eagle (spice things up) - post #293 6-5-5 McC/PB/Eagle
Clap unvotes PB, votes Eagle (take this to 2?) - post #299 6-6-4 McC/Eagle/PB
Eagle unvotes Hoops, votes McCollins (self-preserve) - post 3316 7-6-4 McC/Eagle/PB

[path12]

I'm out for the weekend, should be back late Sunday afternoon, but better get a vote in just in case.

VOTE EAGLEFAN

No real reason than he was my vote day 1 and I've got nothin' else right now. See you Sunday.

[KWhit]

Schmidty said that I was making myself a target also, but I was just excited when he told me the one that got killed would get a PM and when PM's were out, my box was empty, so woohoo! I'm easily excitable, what can I say? lol

Not sure I buy this.

Vote Mrs. Schmidty

[Racer]

Received mine as well, this game sounds like fun.. though I think Bruce Campbell needs to make a cameo

vote purdue brad

Would rather get some discussion amongst people than spread 1 vote out to every person.

I have a specific field as well, and let's just say it's something I'd never do in real life. That being said, no idea if it will have any impact on the game.

I don't think I've heard the word rhombus since middle school. Well done.

it's a fair question, at the time hoops had two (so i wanted someone else with two) and a lot of people hadn't checked in yet, only now has the list whittled, but i'm not moving my vote at the moment

so now mc, clap, and pb all have two?

Just caught up. Not sure I really see a reason to move my vote around - I have no specific cause for voting for PB, he hasn't done something to convince me I should definitely move, and none of the other leaders is bothering me. But I'm listening.

Does smell a little fishy.

Let's spice things up, then.

Unvote PB

Vote EF

I certainly wasn't trying to protect PB, I was just agreeing with Alan that it seemed like the other two were being protected.

I imagine we're getting some of Lovecraft's flourish with this writeup, I'm excited.

Meh. That didn't go very well. And how much do we really press EF since he had a legitimate self preservation reasoning? Tough.

The last -two- games in a row we had two wolves as the leading vote getters on day one, craziness.

Oh, I guess Lathum's was a small one, though. Didn't notice the "big" part.

God I've had too much going on tonight. I'll retract this - I was right the first time. In both the chess game and the lolcat game we had two wolves as the top two vote getters on day 1.

See my retraction. Makes it even crazier. ;)

PB, we've all made bad plays. Do you forget when you had me convinced that someone who'd just killed two wolves was the last wolf in the Battlestar game? :D

This is a different game, let's move on with it.

I've already made my thoughts clear on this issue. There are a few decent candidates bumping around here but let's see what happens at night.

sigh. good luck students.


I was looking through all the posts Jackal made during the day. At first glance I don't really see any reason why he was killed but I thought I'd make it easier for anyone else wishing to do the same thing.

[Racer]

FYI, I guess my above post didn't include the quotes that Jackal included in some of his posts.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Not sure I buy this.

Vote Mrs. Schmidty

LOL yay! You're not "really" playing 'til you get a vote, right?

[Alan T]

Hmm. It seems to me more likely that The Jackal's death was an attempt to setup Render and/or Racer at least based on the posts quoted by Racer above. I don't really see alot there that hints to me at least of being some kind of role and I can't think of any other reasons why they would have targeted him (other than some past grudge or something that I am unaware of). Some thoughts I had while trying to figure out what a pre-med student was. Someone mentioned perhaps it was to counter balance a poison type role that the wolves may have.. I realized that I don't really know what type of roles the wolves have. I thought I missed it, and re-read through the rules and don't see them there at all. Schmidty are the wolf roles just missing? I see a place there for them to be listed so it doesn't seem like they are purposely left out.. As for where I am going to vote today.. It is a long day, and I will be in at some point before deadline again this weekend so not in a huge rush to get my vote out. If I had to choose right now, I would copy my vote from yesterday though. Jackal's death doesn't tell us alot about yesterday's vote and neither does Mccollins death alone. I don't think we really have much to go on until we figure out what else was going on with yesterday's vote.. There were a ton of vote moves, especially late in the day which is very anti-villager. I think we need to try to understand better what exactly was occuring.

[Alan T]

Hmm. It seems to me more likely that The Jackal's death was an attempt to setup Render and/or Racer at least based on the posts quoted by Racer above. I don't really see alot there that hints to me at least of being some kind of role and I can't think of any other reasons why they would have targeted him (other than some past grudge or something that I am unaware of).

Some thoughts I had while trying to figure out what a pre-med student was. Someone mentioned perhaps it was to counter balance a poison type role that the wolves may have.. I realized that I don't really know what type of roles the wolves have. I thought I missed it, and re-read through the rules and don't see them there at all.

Schmidty are the wolf roles just missing? I see a place there for them to be listed so it doesn't seem like they are purposely left out..

As for where I am going to vote today.. It is a long day, and I will be in at some point before deadline again this weekend so not in a huge rush to get my vote out. If I had to choose right now, I would copy my vote from yesterday though. Jackal's death doesn't tell us alot about yesterday's vote and neither does Mccollins death alone. I don't think we really have much to go on until we figure out what else was going on with yesterday's vote.. There were a ton of vote moves, especially late in the day which is very anti-villager. I think we need to try to understand better what exactly was occuring.

Ugh sorry for the wall of text in the last post.. my Firefox with no-script does that if I don't specifically allow operationsports.com to run scripts.. Quoted above is what I was trying to say, a little easier to read.

[Alan T]

I am going to steal what Hoopsguy did, and add some color to it just to try to help me figure out a few things. If it helps others, then great!

Vote review from Day 1. Please feel free to chime in with thoughts on this:

McCollins votes for Oliegirl (random.org) - post #125 1-0 Oliegirl leads
Racer votes Axxon (respects his wolf game) - post #128 1-1 Olie/Axxon
AlanT votes Hoops (payback) - post #134 1-1-1 Olie/Axxon/Hoops
Eagle votes Hoops (LOLcat) - post #136 2-1-1 Hoops/Olie/Axxon
Clap votes PB (just because) - post #141 2-1-1-1 Hoops leads
Jets vote McCollins (pretty random) - post #142 2-1-1-1-1 Hoops leads
Path votes LSG (welcome back) - post #145 2-1-1-1-1-1 Hoops leads
RendeR votes Clap (deserves D1 vote) - post #146 2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 Hoops leads
Henry votes RendeR (Bengals fan) - post #148 2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 Hoops leads
Jackal votes PB (discussion/consolidation) - post #150 2-2 Hoops/PB
Alan unvotes Hoops, votes Eagle (negate run) - post #155 2-many PB leads
Telle votes McCollins (random/gut) - post #176 2-2 PB/McCollins
PB votes Clap (no reason given) - post #181 2-2-2 PB/McCollins/Clap
LSG votes Path (he picks on her) - post #185 2-2-2 PB/McCollins/Clap
Olie votes McCollins (he voted for her) - post #187 3-2-2 McCollins/PB/Clap
Henry unvotes RendeR, votes McCollins (consolidate) - post #191 4-2-2 McCollins/PB/Clap
Hoops votes Eagle (he voted for him 2nd) - post #197 - post #197 4-2-2-2 McCollins/PB/Clap/Eagle
Path unvotes LSG, votes Eagle (2nd vote player, Jackal not a candidate) - post #203 4-3-2-2 McC/Eagle/PB/Clap
PB unvotes Clap, votes Eagle (tie it up) - post #204 4-4-2 McC/Eagle/PB
Axxon votes Racer (respect) - post #212 4-4-2 McC/Eagle/PB
RendeR unvotes Clap, votes PB (3 horse race) - post #214 4-4-3 McC/Eagle/PB
Pass votes PB (agrees with RendeR) - post #222 4-4-4 McC/Eagle/PB
Mrs S votes Jets (random.org) - post #240 4-4-4 McC/Eagle/PB
Axxon unvotes Racer, votes PB (no reason given) - post #246 5-4-4 PB/McC/Eagle
KWhit votes Mccollins (watching late moves) - post #284 5-5-4 PB/McC/Eagle
Racer votes PB (more wary of him than McC) - post #286 6-5-4 PB/McC/Eagle
Chief votes McC (McC votes for him regularly) - post #287 6-6-4 PB/McC/Eagle
Jackal unvotes PB, votes Eagle (spice things up) - post #293 6-5-5 McC/PB/Eagle
Clap unvotes PB, votes Eagle (take this to 2?) - post #299 6-6-4 McC/Eagle/PB
Eagle unvotes Hoops, votes McCollins (self-preserve) - post 3316 7-6-4 McC/Eagle/PB

[JetsIn06]

Ugh sorry for the wall of text in the last post.. my Firefox with no-script does that if I don't specifically allow operationsports.com to run scripts.. Quoted above is what I was trying to say, a little easier to read.

Somewhere near the beginning of the thread, maybe the 2nd or 3rd page, Schmidty said that he did leave out the wolves roles on purpose. I believe it was McCollins who originally asked about them.

[Schmidty]

Schmidty are the wolf roles just missing? I see a place there for them to be listed so it doesn't seem like they are purposely left out.

It was purposely left out, but I will say that some or all of the wolves in this game have special abilities.

[JetsIn06]

Nope. It was left blank on purpose.

.

[JetsIn06]

It was purposely left out, but I will say that some or all of the wolves in this game have special abilities.

:) What he said, I mean.

[Alan T]

It was purposely left out, but I will say that some or all of the wolves in this game have special abilities.

Ok, thanks. Doesn't really help us figure out any further if there is some kind of poison role or what the pre-med role was. I'm not sure that really mattered a whole lot though. Just was trying to figure out other possible reasonings for his death.

[LoneStarGirl]

Not sure I buy this.

Vote Mrs. Schmidty

She is new and has only learned from Schmidty.. so she wont be that good to start off ;)

Just kidding... I am going to cut her some slack though.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, one of my impressions coming out of yesterday is that you had a higher level of comfort for PurdueBrad than the other two people on the block. Why did you feel that way? Do you still feel the same way?

[Alan T]

Alan, one of my impressions coming out of yesterday is that you had a higher level of comfort for PurdueBrad than the other two people on the block. Why did you feel that way? Do you still feel the same way?

I don't think my opinion yesterday about a PurdueBrad vote was as much about PurdueBrad as it was about how he ascended from nowhere as a third candidate. My thoughts was that it seemed very similar to the situation where St.Cronin was suddenly brought in as a third wheel when you and PB were both wolves up on the lynching block. There wasn't a real good reason why he was chosen, and then the votes for him just bandwagoned right to the lead without a good reason other than suddenly needing a third choice.

I think if Mccollins had ended up being a wolf, I would have felt a whole lot more trust for PurdueBrad today, but as Mccollins was a villager, then that thought process did not pan out too much. My only thoughts about him today have mainly been that I don't think he is playing like he is a brutal wolf or a duke as some had suggested.. I think he just has played with a defeatest attitude. My only other comment about him today that I remember making was that I think until we lynch Eaglefan or PurdueBrad, we won't really understand anything about the day 1 vote.

My reasoning for leaning towards voting EF today over PB currently with my vote is more to do with how others played yesterday moreso than either of these two played.

[Alan T]

Looking back over your vote recap, I actually technically put PurdueBrad in a bit of danger earlier in the day by moving my vote off of you when it looked to be another early PB vs you matchup. So I'm not sure that it is fair to say that I favored him yesterday.. I think I was probably indifferent until votes 214, 222, 246, and 286 where 4 out of 5 "meaningful votes" were suddenly placed on PB and changed it from 4-4-2 to 6-5-4 out of the blue.

I'm not sure that I made much comments prior to that big run. Perhaps it was because I was here to watch the entire thing that made it seem more pronounced than people who read back afterwards though.

[hoopsguy]

See, I didn't see the votes on PB as 3rd man coming out of nowhere - he was the second person (behind me) to get 2 votes. He was always in the top 3 from post #150 up until the end.

I agree that we don't know what to make out of yesterday's vote with one dead villager.

The piece that struck me yesterday was that Clap disappeared from the list of candidates. I wasn't pushing for him on the vote, but his disappearing while votes continued to build on McCollins, PB, and Eagle was the one that looked the most to me like potential protection.

[hoopsguy]

Looking back over your vote recap, I actually technically put PurdueBrad in a bit of danger earlier in the day by moving my vote off of you when it looked to be another early PB vs you matchup. So I'm not sure that it is fair to say that I favored him yesterday.. I think I was probably indifferent until votes 214, 222, 246, and 286 where 4 out of 5 "meaningful votes" were suddenly placed on PB and changed it from 4-4-2 to 6-5-4 out of the blue.

I'm not sure that I made much comments prior to that big run. Perhaps it was because I was here to watch the entire thing that made it seem more pronounced than people who read back afterwards though.

Yeah, my vibe was more on the "PB seems to keep getting pushed to the top" comment, which had some traction based on responses in the thread and votes.

Also, I think both you and PB were suspicious of RendeR to some extent for perpetrating a three man race. Ditto Racer, to a lesser degree.

Again, this is more a case of me looking to have a conversation with you because:
a.) you are around
b.) I like when we are on the same team as villagers, so I'm looking to build some comfort

[hoopsguy]

oh, and c.) you will actually answer questions :)

[Alan T]

See, I didn't see the votes on PB as 3rd man coming out of nowhere - he was the second person (behind me) to get 2 votes. He was always in the top 3 from post #150 up until the end.

I agree that we don't know what to make out of yesterday's vote with one dead villager.

The piece that struck me yesterday was that Clap disappeared from the list of candidates. I wasn't pushing for him on the vote, but his disappearing while votes continued to build on McCollins, PB, and Eagle was the one that looked the most to me like potential protection.

THe problem that I see with that theory is... If people were moving votes off of Clap to save him... who are the people that saved him? Render and/or PurdueBrad who moved their votes off of him... if PB and Clap are teammates, why would PB move his vote there to EF and not Mccollins? Or if Render and Clap are teammates, why even move your vote off of him at all at that point? And if all three are teammates, why would Render move his vote to PB?

The only point where I can start to buy into your theory is at the end of the day where Claphamsa moved his vote that he had all day from PB to Eaglefan which basically forced mccollins death. Claphamsa basically killed Mccollins without voting for him since Mccollins said he wasnt going to be around, and Eaglefan was in the thread with it publically already mentioned that he could have moved his vote.

So I guess if you are basing your thought on the end of the day, I guess it could lead somewhere, but once again that could be explained with what I said earlier.. we need to continue after either Eaglefan or PurdueBrad to see what happened on day 1.. if you are basing it on the day's earlier votes.. I'm not sure that tells me alot.

[Alan T]

Yeah, my vibe was more on the "PB seems to keep getting pushed to the top" comment, which had some traction based on responses in the thread and votes.

Also, I think both you and PB were suspicious of RendeR to some extent for perpetrating a three man race. Ditto Racer, to a lesser degree.

Again, this is more a case of me looking to have a conversation with you because:
a.) you are around
b.) I like when we are on the same team as villagers, so I'm looking to build some comfort


Well, I'll have to go back to see exactly when I made that comment.. for obvious reasons I don't really pay that close of attention to when or how I say things as much as others. :) But based off of my best recollection, I don't remember feeling strongly one way or another about PB until that 4 out or 5 meaningful vote run on him out of nowhere (at least in my mind). Perhaps I made that comment during that run, but it wasn't until then that it struck me as odd as best as I can remember.

[Alan T]

oh, and c.) you will actually answer questions :)

Yeah.. I like to talk :)

I'm actually trying very very hard to not go off of my gut feeling for a vote today. I really feel strongly inside that Racer needs to be pressed. I think his day 1 actions were among the most suspicious, he has already had at least one post that I view as a "possible oops" and I am just getting a nagging feeling about him. The only thing holding me off of him right now is that mccollins wasn't a wolf. I actually have gone through the results from yesterday a few times to try to match up some explanation that could lead to Render, Eaglefan and Racer being bad that matches up with the lynch results.

[hoopsguy]

I don't remotely buy into the idea that all three are teammates. I'm not the type to build "perfect" theories.

In terms of those two moving the votes, this potentially creates another question around PB. I've also go the thought running through my head that I talked about the value of a "walk away" as a wolf early in a game when we were wolves together. Publicly stating that you are going to be out can steer people away from voting for you ... after all, a wolf would stick around to make sure he defends himself from a lynch, right?

Right now, my mind is stuck on PB as the candidate of choice. I think I probably need to take a longer look at some other players in the game - could be a case of fixating on one scenario without adequately looking at other outcomes. But if I'm voting on EF and PB, I'm flipping from yesterday and going after PB.

[Alan T]

I don't remotely buy into the idea that all three are teammates. I'm not the type to build "perfect" theories.

In terms of those two moving the votes, this potentially creates another question around PB. I've also go the thought running through my head that I talked about the value of a "walk away" as a wolf early in a game when we were wolves together. Publicly stating that you are going to be out can steer people away from voting for you ... after all, a wolf would stick around to make sure he defends himself from a lynch, right?

Right now, my mind is stuck on PB as the candidate of choice. I think I probably need to take a longer look at some other players in the game - could be a case of fixating on one scenario without adequately looking at other outcomes. But if I'm voting on EF and PB, I'm flipping from yesterday and going after PB.

Well I'm not going to stick my neck out for PB, I think we learn just as much information with his lynch as we do EagleFan's lynch. I just think based on my read of both players so far this game and how I feel about actions from others surrounding these two I feel more comfortable that PB is on my side. Call it 52% to 48% I guess!

[Mrs. Schmidty]

I feel more comfortable that PB is on my side. Call it 52% to 48% I guess!

And which side is that exactly?? :eek:

[henry296]

Alan,

If we could know for sure EagleFan's role how would that drive your vote? Same question about PurdueBrad?