WW LXXXIII Marvel Universe - Game Over! Rebel victory!

[Mimic]

Ugh...so much happening so fast and I actually work

[KangtheConqueror]

[quote=Cable;1856070]

I would guess that he thought Kang was Galactus's Herald, and that his supposed ability to send Galactus to an alternate timeline was a cover for his true role.

If he thought that then he deserves his fate. If I was the Herald, I wouldn't have attacked the destroyer.

[Cable]

I am totally puzzled by Torch's death. It appears he was an agent of Galactus', but Galactus killed him.

It might be important to start guarding the folks who can helps us take down Galactus.

[Cable]

[quote=HenryPym;1856080]

If he thought that then he deserves his fate. If I was the Herald, I wouldn't have attacked the destroyer.

Okay, this needs to be fixed because it looks like you are quoting me and I am saying something that I didn't say. :)

[GhostRider]

I have a question and it is no means meant as an insult to Lord Doom but how did Lord Doom ascend to the top of the food chain the way he did? I would've expected either no leader following Apoc's death or that the first prelate would've escalated. Do we know how this occured?

[Cable]

Okay, this needs to be fixed because it looks like you are quoting me and I am saying something that I didn't say. :)

Okay, not we're both screwing it all up. There is a tag missing at the end!

[Mr.Fantastic]

I am totally puzzled by Torch's death. It appears he was an agent of Galactus', but Galactus killed him.

It might be important to start guarding the folks who can helps us take down Galactus.


He was obviously not an agent of Galactus. He was a completely seperate independant party that had a seperate win condition.

[GhostRider]

Okay, not we're both screwing it all up. There is a tag missing at the end!

Aren't you two cute?

[Scarlet Witch]

Okay, not we're both screwing it all up. There is a tag missing at the end!

Yeah, that fixed it. :p

[DrDoom]

Doom knows no limits to his powers. You would question why Doom should rule the world?? Because only I possess the might and will to rule over this collection of simpering fools. We are threatened by the Skrulls, Galactus and traitors amongst us. Who else will destroy them all but Doom?!

Any who feel they have special work that can aid us better than fighting Galactus must speak now or be ordered to fight this cosmic fight.

[Mimic]

There is entirely too much stuff going on for me to answer completely in a timely manner.

I believe the SuperSkrull was on our side (at least that of against Galactus). I don't know why he attacked Kang (will get to that later) but I think the Herald is still in our midst.

I think we can clear the following of being the Herald:

Attacks on the Destroyer:
Magneto #1362
Quicksilver #1364
Hulk #1368
Punisher #1373
Mimic #1380
Vision #1398
Kang #1399

Mission #2 (which was not sabotaged)
Hulk
Human Torch
Silver Surfer
Colossus
Gambit
Jean Grey

Cleared by Human Torch:
Silver Surfer
Silver Samurai
Colossus
Scarlet Witch
Apocalypse
Hulk
Mimic
Cable

The Beast was attacked so that leaves:


1. Nightcrawler
2. Emma Frost
3. Ghost Rider
9. Professor X
10. Mr. Fantastic
11. Iron Fist
13. Henry Pym
17. Dr. Doom
19. Firebird
22. Aardwolf
23. Nick Fury
25. Spider Man

[Mimic]

Sorry, Doom is probably not the Herald either, so that list goes down to 11.

[Mimic]

What I don't get is why the Torch attacked Kang?

[Scarlet Witch]

I don't see why the Herald wouldn't use a standard attack on the Destroyer. He knows that SOMEONE is going to do it, so what difference does it make whether it's the Herald or one of us?

[Tyrith]

To clarify, what happened last night, with Apocalypse, was NOT a player requested withdrawal from the game. It was a within the game event.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Doom knows no limits to his powers. You would question why Doom should rule the world?? Because only I possess the might and will to rule over this collection of simpering fools. We are threatened by the Skrulls, Galactus and traitors amongst us. Who else will destroy them all but Doom?!

Any who feel they have special work that can aid us better than fighting Galactus must speak now or be ordered to fight this cosmic fight.


I can assist with Galactus if that is your will, but I already mentioned if I do go on this mission I will be unable to open the portal to the negative world that was discussed this morning. Your will is my command however.

[GhostRider]

Mimic, I believe I was the first to launch an attack on the planet-eater and have, in fact, attacked him twice now. Day 1 and then in today's battle against his minion The Destroyer.

[KangtheConqueror]

I don't see why the Herald wouldn't use a standard attack on the Destroyer. He knows that SOMEONE is going to do it, so what difference does it make whether it's the Herald or one of us?

For one, it precludes a use of a Special Ability, and I'd think the Herald would need it

[KangtheConqueror]

What I don't get is why the Torch attacked Kang?

I don't either. I'm not looking forward to finding out how much damage that caused me.

[GhostRider]

Doom knows no limits to his powers. You would question why Doom should rule the world?? Because only I possess the might and will to rule over this collection of simpering fools.

Lord Doom, again, my apologies. I never meant to question the legitimacy of your rule. You can expect me to be your humble servant and follow your orders as needed. Hail Doom!

[SilverSurfer]

Ah I had not realized you were a Herald. I retract my comment then. I hope you have looked at the one former Herald I was aware of.

For the record, I have not received any information that would signal me as the Herald. I think possibly my actions of the past two days have lessened Galactus' belief I would do his bidding anymore.

[Mimic]

Can someone explain this Herald stuff to me? I'm not finding any mention in the rules. Is this a Herald who aims to help Galatcus? If so, I think I know then how I was sabotaged ast night.

A herald of Galactus is imbued with the Power Cosmic. The herald finds planets for him to eat.

Anyhow, I'm guessing that this is one of the unnamed roles and the Herald's win conditions are to allow Galactus to eat the planet.

[DrDoom]

Your portal is a reasonably competent piece of work, Reed. But I do not see purpose for its use as of yet. Doom will need your services to attack the Planet Eater.

[Scarlet Witch]

For one, it precludes a use of a Special Ability, and I'd think the Herald would need it

For what?

[Mr.Fantastic]

Your portal is a reasonably competent piece of work, Reed. But I do not see purpose for its use as of yet. Doom will need your services to attack the Planet Eater.

Fair enough.

Go on mission against Galactus

[Mimic]

Mimic, I believe I was the first to launch an attack on the planet-eater and have, in fact, attacked him twice now. Day 1 and then in today's battle against his minion The Destroyer.

I went back through and I had didn't count your attack on the Destroyer because hoops later posted a message stating that your and my attacks didn't count and we would have to re-post them. I re-posted mine but I didn't see you re-post yours.

I didn't count the first day's mission because it wasn't a "Success". The second day's mission was a success, so I would guess that the Herald was not a part of it.

[Cable]

For one, it precludes a use of a Special Ability, and I'd think the Herald would need it

I think this statement is key.

I believe the Herald inform Galactus of what the Torch was trying to do and so Galactus killed him. Informing Galactus was the Herald's special for today.

So, I do believe it is one of those 10 on the list.

[SilverSurfer]

ALL HAIL DOOM.

Greetings on this good morning. As you have all learned, rulership of this world has been rightfully passed on to Dr. Doom. Apolcalypse's death was a surprise, but not unexpected. He foolishly left himself unguarded to the traitors, and I am only glad that Doom was adequately prepared for this eventuality.

Apocalypse's prelates are no more. I will declare my own as I see fit, though there are few among you I trust.

You have succeeded well in dealing with Galactus's attack. Finding this Herald is of the utmost importance, and my first decree is to find him and bring him to me. This will I think be more important than damaging Galactus himself.

As for the traitors in our midst, I will consider who they are. We will coordinate attacks today---follow suit or risk being destroyed yourself.

ALL HAIL DOOM.

Doctor, we have had our differences in the past, to put it mildly. Regardless, based on what I currently know you have legitimately taken the place of our Late Lord Apocalypse. As such, I am yours to command and would be happy to remain as your First Prelate. If you decide differently, that is your choice and I will happily step aside.

Hail the new Lord Doom.

[Mimic]

For the record, I have not received any information that would signal me as the Herald. I think possibly my actions of the past two days have lessened Galactus' belief I would do his bidding anymore.

To clarify: The Silver Surfer in the comics is a former herald of Galactus. In the game, the Herald is an agent of Galactus with separate win conditions.

Let's not get to two mixed up. Besides, the Surfer was cleared by the Torch (Skrull).

*Embrace Change, He Loves You*

[Mr.Fantastic]

Just a note, since Doom does not wish me to further my research today, that means the earliest I will now be able to open the portal will be Friday night, and the first time I will be able to send someone in will be the weekend (if there is weekend play) or Monday (if no weekend play). I still think I likely should be one of the higher up choices to be guarded as once I am finally allowed to open this portal, it can be used to further protect others.

[KangtheConqueror]

For what?

My guess is to do Herald-y things? Heck man, I dunno. But if my description of powers fits a pattern for all roles, then just about anything non-standard falls under Special.

[Mimic]

Y'all need to worry about these traitors as well. I'm spending a lot of effort trying to rid us of Galactus (and remain alive as well *chuckle*) and get rid of the Herald that I haven't had a lot of time to devote to analysis of votes to determine traitors.

[GhostRider]

Magneto greets the Destroyer with a burst of magnetic energy that threatens to pull him apart. GhostRider pours it on, ensnaring his prey in his chain to restrain him while Hulk lays down punishing blows. Punisher, Vision, Mimic, and Kang add their might to the process as the Destoyer moves no more.

As his body explodes, a small piece of machinery project skyward, back to Galactus. It is shaped like a hummingbird and it lands in the palm of the Giant. He again stares down at the masses momentarily, and resumes his work.

Mimic, I'm in the attack for four of my energy points.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Y'all need to worry about these traitors as well. I'm spending a lot of effort trying to rid us of Galactus (and remain alive as well *chuckle*) and get rid of the Herald that I haven't had a lot of time to devote to analysis of votes to determine traitors.


Who am I to argue with Doom though? He has been on a mission to destroy me ever since blaming me for his misfortunes. Do you think I really would like to give him a reason to take out all of that pent up frustration on me?

[Mimic]

Sorry, must've missed it. Then that's good as it leaves us one less person to worry about.

Reposting amended list:

1. Nightcrawler
2. Emma Frost
9. Professor X
10. Mr. Fantastic
11. Iron Fist
13. Henry Pym
19. Firebird
22. Aardwolf
23. Nick Fury
25. Spider Man

[GhostRider]

I saw the repost thing and he got my orders via PM, sorry.

[Tyrith]

MOD NOTE:

I will be around for the next hour and a half, give or take. If you have questions, need to talk about creates, or whatever, this is probably your last window until late afternoon.

[Mimic]

Who am I to argue with Doom though? He has been on a mission to destroy me ever since blaming me for his misfortunes. Do you think I really would like to give him a reason to take out all of that pent up frustration on me?

I never said you were a traitor. The Herald possibly.

[Mimic]

I saw the repost thing and he got my orders via PM, sorry.

Nah. I actually work for a living and I'm trying to work as well as do this. I can do one thing really well or two things half-assed.

[SilverSurfer]

SilverSurfer, sometimes I am not quite as good at reading between the lines and the InvisibleWoman often has to spell things out for me.. I might need you to do the same here for me. Since we still don't have any good explanation for what the traitors did last night (as the only death I am aware of was Apoc), my thinking was perhaps there was someone blocked last night. Are you bringing this up as a way of saying you purposely were left unguarded but managed to avoid an attack last night through other means?

I am not sure of her motivations. I do know the following:

She formed a private group with herself and Apocalypse just before he died.
She did not follow the explicit orders given by Apocalypse correctly.
She was not honest about her explanation for not following the order correctly.

What does that mean? I am not sure. I do know it means I do not trust her until proven otherwise.

[Mr.Fantastic]

I never said you were a traitor. The Herald possibly.


Well.. not much I can do to help you with those fears. Today will be my second mission vs Galactus, I'm open to trying to send Galactus to the Negative zone once I am allowed to proceed with research even though I fear it will result in my death... not much else I can do here unfortunately.

[Hulk]

HULK SHOW GALACTUS THE FURY OF HULK'S FISTS!!!

JOIN MISSION AGAINST GALACTUS

[GhostRider]

Nah. I actually work for a living and I'm trying to work as well as do this. I can do one thing really well or two things half-assed.

Hehe, me too, so I'm doing a bunch of things at the same time too which is why it took me a while to show the post from Hoops.

[JeanGrey]

Reagrading the timeline against me: I think my post claiming no one pointed it out, only shows the underlying truth that I was simply not all here last night and that the mistakes were simply compounded.

[SilverSurfer]

Lord Doom, if you wish me to assist against Galactus today I shall, however my energy levels are somewhat low after the exertions of the past two days. I would prefer to conserve my energy today in order to be of greater use tomorrow.

[JeanGrey]

Lord Doom, would you like me to join you on a team so you may privately communicate with those of your choosing?

[SilverSurfer]

Reagrading the timeline against me: I think my post claiming no one pointed it out, only shows the underlying truth that I was simply not all here last night and that the mistakes were simply compounded.

So your lie is evidence of your innocence? A strange twist of logic.

[Scarlet Witch]

I believe the Vision is correct. I will not be attacking directly, but will lend my support.

To reiterate this -- I'll lend my support if enough people do. The more energy used on the mission, the more I can do. If it seems like not that many people are going, I'll save my energy.

[Mimic]

Wanda, I believe I will need you to conserve your energy if our strategem is to work.

[HenryPym]

Doom knows no limits to his powers. You would question why Doom should rule the world?? Because only I possess the might and will to rule over this collection of simpering fools. We are threatened by the Skrulls, Galactus and traitors amongst us. Who else will destroy them all but Doom?!

Any who feel they have special work that can aid us better than fighting Galactus must speak now or be ordered to fight this cosmic fight.

I would prefer not to be on the Galactus mission Lord Doom but my experiments can wait of course if you deem it wise for me to be on the team.

[DrDoom]

Lord Doom has other matters to attend to. Here are my decrees:

My new council of Prelates

1. Mr. Fantastic
2. Emma Frost
3. Vision
4. Magneto

Do not fail me, or suffer the consequences.

<b>Dr. Doom orders Jean Grey to guard Dr. Doom</b>

Professor X, Cable, Aardwolf and Colossus will be ordered by the other Prelates to guard each other.

Hulk, you are as thick as you are large. You have already attacked today. I expect all other minions of mine to attack Galactus unless you can declare a better use of your time.

Silver Surfer, Doom wishes you to attack Galactus. Use minimal energy if you must.

Jean Grey, I will consider your offer. But Doom has much to consider in private.

Mr. Fantastic, I have other business for you. You may remain on earth today.

ALL HAIL DOOM

[Mimic]

Hulk, you are as thick as you are large. You have already attacked today.

LOL. Can't you pick five Prelates?

[SilverSurfer]

As you wish, my lord.

SILVER SURFER GALACTUS MISSION

[Mimic]

Hehe, me too, so I'm doing a bunch of things at the same time too which is why it took me a while to show the post from Hoops.

Hey I've made travel arrangements for later in the month, scheduled two meetings, coordinated schedules, and talked to two of my bosses today while I've been here. It's been interesting. :)

[Cable]

Lord Doom has other matters to attend to. Here are my decrees:

My new council of Prelates

1. Mr. Fantastic
2. Emma Frost
3. Vision
4. Magneto

Do not fail me, or suffer the consequences.

Dr. Doom orders Jean Grey to guard Dr. Doom

Professor X, Cable, Aardwolf and Colossus will be ordered by the other Prelates to guard each other.

Hulk, you are as thick as you are large. You have already attacked today. I expect all other minions of mine to attack Galactus unless you can declare a better use of your time.

Silver Surfer, Doom wishes you to attack Galactus. Use minimal energy if you must.

Jean Grey, I will consider your offer. But Doom has much to consider in private.

Mr. Fantastic, I have other business for you. You may remain on earth today.

ALL HAIL DOOM

As my Lord commands. I will guard which ever Prelate requests my services.

[Vision]

It is my honor to:

ORDER AARDWOLF TO PROTECT EMMA FROST

I see that we have a leader who leads. Refreshing. I reserve the option to point out disagreement with Doom when appropriate, but I approve of the plan to send everyone to Galactus.

[Vision]

I fear I may not have phrase the above properly.


ORDER AARDWOLF TO GUARD EMMA FROST

[Beast]

The unexpected demise of our Lord Apocalypse is indeed a shocking event.

That said, All Hail Doom.

And as I have survived the inexplicable assault of the Destroyer, as our new Lord wishes,

Commit to Galactus Mission

[Mr.Fantastic]

Lord Doom has other matters to attend to. Here are my decrees:

My new council of Prelates

1. Mr. Fantastic
2. Emma Frost
3. Vision
4. Magneto

Do not fail me, or suffer the consequences.

Dr. Doom orders Jean Grey to guard Dr. Doom

Professor X, Cable, Aardwolf and Colossus will be ordered by the other Prelates to guard each other.

Hulk, you are as thick as you are large. You have already attacked today. I expect all other minions of mine to attack Galactus unless you can declare a better use of your time.

Silver Surfer, Doom wishes you to attack Galactus. Use minimal energy if you must.

Jean Grey, I will consider your offer. But Doom has much to consider in private.

Mr. Fantastic, I have other business for you. You may remain on earth today.

ALL HAIL DOOM


Very well, I will go with your latest change of orders for me.

Revoke going on Galacticus mission
Order Colossus to protect Vision

[Mr.Fantastic]

Very well, I will go with your latest change of orders for me.

Revoke going on Galacticus mission
Order Colossus to protect Vision

That should be:

Order Colossus to GUARD Vision

[Magneto]

Thank you for bestowing this honor upon my, Lord Doom. I will serve with my life, if necessary.

Do you remain a member of the Brotherhood? If so, please remain a while longer so we may converse privately.

[Magneto]

Order Cable to GUARD Mr. Fantastic

[JeanGrey]

Have I missed it or did Cable state he's out of useful information about the Herald? If he's not does it make sense to occupy his time at night with guarding duties? This compares to me, who can do nothing at night and wouldn't be particularly helpful with Galacticus so it makes perfect sense for me to guard.

[Tyrith]

We're not that picky bout the words.

[Punisher]

It might be time for me to join a group? Anyone looking to add some punishment?

[Punisher]

That first sentence should end in a period.

[DrDoom]

What laboratory matches that of Lord Doom's? Apply your skills towards Galactus, Henry Pym, so decrees Doom.

Those who earn my trust will have the freedom to pursue other avenues.

[Punisher]

Was the torch man the one that told us about the Blue Man? If so,

REVOKE ATTACK ON NIGHTCRAWLER

[Mr.Fantastic]

Was the torch man the one that told us about the Blue Man? If so,

REVOKE ATTACK ON NIGHTCRAWLER


No it was Firebird that said something was "wrong" about Nightcrawler, to which Nightcrawler suprisingly admitted was correct.... I'm still not sure what to make of it, but at worst it sounds like other win condition or at best sounds like a traitor and is where I am leaning with my attack today.

[Cable]

Order Cable to GUARD Mr. Fantastic

As you wish.

GUARD MR. FANTASTIC

[GhostRider]

invite Punisher to join S.H.I.E.L.D.

[Vision]

We're not that picky about the words.

Clearly.

[Punisher]

After checking out the torch, maybe that wasn't the case.

[GhostRider]

Punisher, so you know, S.H.I.E.L.D. is Nick Fury, Spidey, and myself. Add you to the mix and we're a pretty ass-kicking group.

[Punisher]

ATTACK NIGHTCRAWLER

JOIN SHIELD

[GhostRider]

Welcome my vengeful friend. I think that if The Crow were here, you, he, and I could have a great time handing out punishment to the deserving.

[Punisher]

Two items of note:
1.) Jewel is withdrawing from the game
2.) See the "Character Guesses" thread for information on an in-game contest
Ah, there's the answer regarding Jewel. Must have seen me coming.

[Mimic]

Since I have participated in the "Destroyer" mission I will continue to use my energy towards defeating Galactus.

[GhostRider]

Are we able to participate in the Galactus mission if we already fought the Destroyer?

[Mr.Fantastic]

Are we able to participate in the Galactus mission if we already fought the Destroyer?


I don't believe so. Fighting the Destroyer was the other non-Galactus mission for today. So I don't think you can do both missions today.

[GhostRider]

That's what I figured. I'll be rooting for you guys from the sidelines!

[ProfessorX]

Guard someone...me? I'm an old man in a wheelchair. I fear I won't be a very effective guard.

[Mimic]

Guard someone...me? I'm an old man in a wheelchair. I fear I won't be a very effective guard.

Don't worry about it, you're a human shield. :)

[HenryPym]

What laboratory matches that of Lord Doom's? Apply your skills towards Galactus, Henry Pym, so decrees Doom.

Those who earn my trust will have the freedom to pursue other avenues.

As you command Lord Doom.

JOIN GALACTUS MISSION

[GhostRider]

Guard someone...me? I'm an old man in a wheelchair. I fear I won't be a very effective guard.

I'm picturing this in my head. Professor X trying to fend off The Hulk or Colossus with a cane or something, "You kids, you kids get off my lawn." Hehe, fun image.

[KangtheConqueror]

Since I have participated in the "Destroyer" mission I will continue to use my energy towards defeating Galactus.

Uh, I don't think you can (if it's a Special Ability like mine is)

[EmmaFrost]

[ooc]Too much going on! Brain overheating! ]

Remind me again why are we ordering guards to protect each other and not ourselves. Remember that a treacherous prelate can fake a guard order. They will have nothing to gain by doing so if they are guarding themselves. Which rather brings me onto my next point.

[EmmaFrost]

HULK SHOW GALACTUS THE FURY OF HULK'S FISTS!!!

JOIN MISSION AGAINST GALACTUS


But before I get there, Hulk has already completed a mission today (destroying the Destroyer). Therefore he is ineligible for the Galactus mission. Someone needs to go through the list of who has done what today already, to make sure that we know who is available.

Mr Fantastic, I do not believe the act of ordering a guard detail prevents you from participating in a mission or performing a special action.

[EmmaFrost]

I have a question and it is no means meant as an insult to Lord Doom but how did Lord Doom ascend to the top of the food chain the way he did? I would've expected either no leader following Apoc's death or that the first prelate would've escalated. Do we know how this occured?

Check your history books (ie the first Apocalypse game). Both Doom and Mr Sinister had the ability to surplant Apocalypse in that game.

[Quicksilver]

JOIN GALACTUS MISSION

[Mr.Fantastic]

[ooc]Too much going on! Brain overheating! ]

Remind me again why are we ordering guards to protect each other and not ourselves. Remember that a treacherous prelate can fake a guard order. They will have nothing to gain by doing so if they are guarding themselves. Which rather brings me onto my next point.
You bring up a good point, so I went to look through the rules.. if a prelate fakes the guard order, it appears they lose all future ability to order people. That seems likely to be noticed before too long (especially if the same prelate always orders the same person). Otherwise, I don't have a great reason for not ordering to protect myself, but since everyone else had done the same I just went with it.

But before I get there, Hulk has already completed a mission today (destroying the Destroyer). Therefore he is ineligible for the Galactus mission. Someone needs to go through the list of who has done what today already, to make sure that we know who is available.

Mr Fantastic, I do not believe the act of ordering a guard detail prevents you from participating in a mission or performing a special action.


You are correct, but Doom told me to not go on the mission afterall and he had other plans for me. I'm waiting to see what those plans are, but if nothing comes up I entirely plan to open the portal to the negative zone today as I think it can bring us more benefit than any other action I could choose to do would bring.

[EmmaFrost]

Win Conditions:
Minority ("Good"): Easy way: Overthrow the tyrant (ie - kill Apocalypse, er DOOM!), plus assume majority of seats on ruling council. Hard way: kill Apocalypse (er, DOOM!) and every one of his followers. Either one will do. Oh, and don't let Galactus eat the planet.

Moderator question: Is the "ruling council" the five prelates of Apocalypse/Doom. Or everyone.

[Hulk]

Hulk, you are as thick as you are large. You have already attacked today.

HULK HAVE BRAIN FART!!! HULK NOT NERD LIKE BANNER!!!

HULK SORRY......

......I'm sorry, Lord Doom. The brute won't let me out, and embarrasses himself sometimes. Now, someone make me angry, as I am of no use to you in my current form, unless my Lord desires me to add anything in this form. Perhaps Professor X and I can play tic tac toe.

[GhostRider]

Check your history books (ie the first Apocalypse game). Both Doom and Mr Sinister had the ability to surplant Apocalypse in that game.

Thank you White Queen, your answer is greatly appreciated.

[GhostRider]

HULK HAVE BRAIN FART!!! HULK NOT NERD LIKE BANNER!!!

HULK SORRY......

......I'm sorry, Lord Doom. The brute won't let me out, and embarrasses himself sometimes. Now, someone make me angry, as I am of no use to you in my current form, unless my Lord desires me to add anything in this form. Perhaps Professor X and I can play tic tac toe.


You wanna get mad? Just think about how many times you've had to replace your clothes. Or better, how embarrassed you must be everytime you go back to regular size and there is Bruce Banner standing there naked, surrounded by shredded clothes while everyone laughs at the nerd.

[Colossus]

I must say that Colossos' convenient inability to make an attack by which we could measure the power of his strikes elevates him above the Samarai asthe more suspicious of the two.

There is nothing convenient about it, had you asked for such a thing yesterday I would have happily granted you the satisfaction of feeling my strength first hand.


One has but to ask politely for what one wants Ms. Frost.

[EmmaFrost]

ALL HAIL DOOM.

Greetings on this good morning. As you have all learned, rulership of this world has been rightfully passed on to Dr. Doom. Apolcalypse's death was a surprise, but not unexpected. He foolishly left himself unguarded to the traitors, and I am only glad that Doom was adequately prepared for this eventuality.


It looks as though our moderator has gone. Unfortunately, from my grand-standing point of view, I probably do not have the time to await his return and answer.

Consider this. Apocalypse was the only one who could create a prelate. If it was the rebels who killed Apocalypse (as our Lord Doom believes) then, as far as they knew, they were cutting off their only fresh supply of Prelates. Which, inevitably, means that there was at least one traitor on the council of Prelates. Otherwise, killing Apocalypse would have made it impossible for the traitors to achieve their ends short of slaughtering every loyal subject. In fact I would imagine such a precipitous act (killing Apocalypse) might indicate that there may have been two traitors on the council. If that were the case the rebels could then have easily broken the mutual guard chain employed to ensure the death of one of the loyal Prelates and their victory would have been assured, with a two to one majority on the ruling council. Of course the rebels may have decided to take their chances whittling down the number of prelates even if there were one of their numbers on the council.

There are problems with this
a) we do not know for sure that the rebels were responsible for the death of Apocalypse. If not, though, where is the evidence of their handiwork. There should be another dead in our ranks
b) the main theory is that there are two traitors amongst the Prelates. That seems rather far-fetched.
c) The Watcher telling me that my original assumption about the means of rebel victory is flawed.

[GhostRider]

White Queen, that is possible, particularly given that their first kill was a Prelate, was it not? That means they could've had 2 of 4 spots with just a kill on a prelate tonight that would've given them their majority, or 2 out of 3.

Far-fetched, maybe, but possible too.

[Mimic]

You bring up a good point, so I went to look through the rules.. if a prelate fakes the guard order, it appears they lose all future ability to order people. That seems likely to be noticed before too long (especially if the same prelate always orders the same person). Otherwise, I don't have a great reason for not ordering to protect myself, but since everyone else had done the same I just went with it.

I asked last night if it would be publicly known that the order is bluffed after the fact. It will be publicly known, so if a Prelate attempts to bluff and loses their ability everyone will know...

I had asked this because I was concerned the Silver Surfer was unprotected and thought about bluffing Nick Fury from protecting Kang and protecting the Surfer instead. I figured that the traitors would not attack Kang because they would believe that he's already protected. Alas, I came up with this mere minutes past 9 CST so I wasn't able to pull off the bluff. (Must be done during the day)

[JeanGrey]

Emma: I think that's very astute analysis indeed.

[JeanGrey]

And I do realize that it doesn't reflect well on me, but that is what it is.

[Mr.Fantastic]

It looks as though our moderator has gone. Unfortunately, from my grand-standing point of view, I probably do not have the time to await his return and answer.

Consider this. Apocalypse was the only one who could create a prelate. If it was the rebels who killed Apocalypse (as our Lord Doom believes) then, as far as they knew, they were cutting off their only fresh supply of Prelates. Which, inevitably, means that there was at least one traitor on the council of Prelates. Otherwise, killing Apocalypse would have made it impossible for the traitors to achieve their ends short of slaughtering every loyal subject. In fact I would imagine such a precipitous act (killing Apocalypse) might indicate that there may have been two traitors on the council. If that were the case the rebels could then have easily broken the mutual guard chain employed to ensure the death of one of the loyal Prelates and their victory would have been assured, with a two to one majority on the ruling council. Of course the rebels may have decided to take their chances whittling down the number of prelates even if there were one of their numbers on the council.

There are problems with this
a) we do not know for sure that the rebels were responsible for the death of Apocalypse. If not, though, where is the evidence of their handiwork. There should be another dead in our ranks
b) the main theory is that there are two traitors amongst the Prelates. That seems rather far-fetched.
c) The Watcher telling me that my original assumption about the means of rebel victory is flawed.


You are asking some of the same questions that I asked this morning but received little response to. You take your thoughts a bit further than I have developed in my own mind however. I asked the same question this morning.. if the rebels did not kill Apocolypse, then what did they do last night? If the Rebels did kill Apocolypse, did they expect there to be no more leader? I guess for me Doom taking his place as our leader was not fully expected so I am guessing that they did not expect it either? Doom says he did not kill Apocolypse.. what reason would he have to lie about this? I can't think of any..

[JeanGrey]

Mod Question: Is a majority 50% or 50+1%? This makes a difference in terms of how easy or hard it would be to get a majority. Since if they just need 50%, it could suggest that there was only 1 bad prelate, as that would be only 2 more deaths needed. If it was 50+1 the idea of two bad prelates seems more likely.

[Mimic]

Emma, thank you for thinking through the traitor issues. Perhaps we can look at attacks on known loyal subjects of Apocalypse as well for some similarities between Prelates and the deceased. It bothers me somewhat that we haven't hit a traitor yet. Either their numbers are smaller than we thought or they are really good and something that should be dealt with as soon as possible.

[JeanGrey]

You are asking some of the same questions that I asked this morning but received little response to. You take your thoughts a bit further than I have developed in my own mind however. I asked the same question this morning.. if the rebels did not kill Apocolypse, then what did they do last night? If the Rebels did kill Apocolypse, did they expect there to be no more leader? I guess for me Doom taking his place as our leader was not fully expected so I am guessing that they did not expect it either? Doom says he did not kill Apocolypse.. what reason would he have to lie about this? I can't think of any..
I can think of several, though I do not think Doom would have used them.

[JeanGrey]

Emma, thank you for thinking through the traitor issues. Perhaps we can look at attacks on known loyal subjects of Apocalypse as well for some similarities between Prelates and the deceased. It bothers me somewhat that we haven't hit a traitor yet. Either their numbers are smaller than we thought or they are really good and something that should be dealt with as soon as possible.
Why does it bother you that we haven't hit a traitor yet? There has been 1 death ordained by the group.

[JeanGrey]

DOLA: We're 0-1 at this point in finding traitors. Hardly a panic time, especially with a group this large.

[EmmaFrost]

There is nothing convenient about it, had you asked for such a thing yesterday I would have happily granted you the satisfaction of feeling my strength first hand.

One has but to ask politely for what one wants Ms. Frost.

Strange! I thought you were too exhausted from your mission to be able to attack anyone.

Please inform me, how hard are your normal punches? I would prefer a verbal response rather than a physical demonstration, if at all possible.

[Mimic]

You are asking some of the same questions that I asked this morning but received little response to. You take your thoughts a bit further than I have developed in my own mind however. I asked the same question this morning.. if the rebels did not kill Apocolypse, then what did they do last night? If the Rebels did kill Apocolypse, did they expect there to be no more leader? I guess for me Doom taking his place as our leader was not fully expected so I am guessing that they did not expect it either? Doom says he did not kill Apocolypse.. what reason would he have to lie about this? I can't think of any..
I would guess the following:

1. They can only kill once every X nights
2. Their target was Apocalypse and they either killed him or he was dead before they got to him
3. They were blocked
4. They put their energies into some other nefarious plot

Maybe some combination of the four.

[Mr.Fantastic]

I think that seems to suggest that Doom should be considered cleared. Since Doom should be considered good, the question in my mind is: Was the killing of Apocalypse the action of the traitors last night, or was there some alternate win condition for Doom that he acted upon which made him good and replaced Apoc? If it is the latter, then I don't see any sign of what the traitors did last night, which can be either really good (ie: block of some sort), or perhaps bad.


Since this is coming back up now, this is what I asked this morning but was overlooked by the sudden coming of the Destroyer. I think there has been plenty of time for people to have reported a block or such last night, so I think at this point the most likely option is that the traitors did kill Apocalypse.

[Mr.Fantastic]

I can think of several, though I do not think Doom would have used them.


Considering all of the win conditions are based around Doom, I have a real hard time believing that Doom is not good.. or the new Good so to speak.. So there really is very little motivation for him to have lied about it.

If he had done the task, and then came out after the rules were updated and said, "Apocalypse was weak, I am strong, I took my rightful place as your leader, follow me or die".. would people really have done anything about it? Doom can't be attacked (ooc: day lynched) and can't be voted out, this isn't a democracy.. I don't see any real motivation here for him to have lied at all. I don't really think it is a possibility.

[Mimic]

Why does it bother you that we haven't hit a traitor yet? There has been 1 death ordained by the group.

Ah, mistake there. It bothers me that out of all the deaths, not one has been a traitor. We are down five players out of 31. That's 16.13% of the players gone and there are still the traitors and the Herald out there...as well as who knows what else.

[Mimic]

Maybe somebody should take credit for killing Apocalypse. That is quite a feat. *nudge, nudge*

[EmmaFrost]

Before I forget

Order Professor X to protect Magneto

I believe that is correct. This leaves me the quandary of whom to attack and but a short time to decide. There appear to be a multitude of potential targets.

[JeanGrey]

Ah, mistake there. It bothers me that out of all the deaths, not one has been a traitor. We are down five players out of 31. That's 16.13% of the players gone and there are still the traitors and the Herald out there...as well as who knows what else.
In a 20 person game 16% would be roughly 3 players, or what we would expect heading into Night 2. If we haven't hit a bad guy by the end of Day 2, we normally don't start panicking in a 20 player game. The good guys have had only one whack at the pianata. I'm confident we'll find and eradicate evil.

[EmmaFrost]

Considering all of the win conditions are based around Doom, I have a real hard time believing that Doom is not good.. or the new Good so to speak.. So there really is very little motivation for him to have lied about it.

If he had done the task, and then came out after the rules were updated and said, "Apocalypse was weak, I am strong, I took my rightful place as your leader, follow me or die".. would people really have done anything about it? Doom can't be attacked (ooc: day lynched) and can't be voted out, this isn't a democracy.. I don't see any real motivation here for him to have lied at all. I don't really think it is a possibility.

Furthermore all he needed to do was fill the Council with his co-conspirators and he would win the game as a rebel.

[Magneto]

Win Conditions:
Minority ("Good"): Easy way: Overthrow the tyrant (ie - kill Apocalypse, er DOOM!), plus assume majority of seats on ruling council. Hard way: kill Apocalypse (er, DOOM!) and every one of his followers. Either one will do. Oh, and don't let Galactus eat the planet.
Majority ("Evil"): Squash the rebellion - eliminate all good/minority. Don't let Galactus eat the planet.
Others (what? there are others?): ???


For all to see, these are the updated win conditions.

For the rebels to achieve even a minor victory, they must still overthrow Doom. Previously, they were required to overthrow Apocalypse. Had they been responsible for the death of Apocalypse, I do not believe that the Watcher would have updated the win conditions. I believe he would have left them as is and all would have known that they were one step closer to victory.

[DrDoom]

Doom does not know who killed Apocalypse but sees no reason to think it was any other than the traitors. The vain fool left himself unguarded, and how could they resist the target?

The fact that they struck at Strange the first night suggests either they were cautious about what defenses their Lord might have, or they wished to up their proportions in the Prelate Council first. If that is the case then we can assume that at least two of the previous Prelates were traitors and they had reason to hope Apocalypse would appoint another of them.

Doom chose new Prelates for a reason, there is cause to suspect all of the previous council. New Prelates - fail me and you will learn what wrath Lord Doom is capable of.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Before I forget

Order Professor X to protect Magneto

I believe that is correct. This leaves me the quandary of whom to attack and but a short time to decide. There appear to be a multitude of potential targets.


I am in the same position as I fear my lab will call to me in roughly a bit under 3 hours and I will not be back before the end of the day. I can see where you are going with the talk about the former prelates possibly having a bad person or people among them, and I already have a very very strong idea in my mind on whom I would like to push as they have been bugging me the majority of the day.

I think I would be a hypocrite however if I start a run on a second player right now. After I argued how foolish it was to push multiple people to death levels in one night, for me to do the same probably would not go over so well. Considering Nightcrawler already admitted to at least some of what Firebird said about him, my guess is he is probably where I will be voting.

[JeanGrey]

For all to see, these are the updated win conditions.

For the rebels to achieve even a minor victory, they must still overthrow Doom. Previously, they were required to overthrow Apocalypse. Had they been responsible for the death of Apocalypse, I do not believe that the Watcher would have updated the win conditions. I believe he would have left them as is and all would have known that they were one step closer to victory.
I believe this to be incorrect. Doom said something to the effect that he had made preparations in case Apocolypse died. The traitors could have felt they were killing Apoc only to run into Doom's secret plan.

[Magneto]

Before I forget

Order Professor X to protect Magneto

I believe that is correct. This leaves me the quandary of whom to attack and but a short time to decide. There appear to be a multitude of potential targets.

If there is one thing Magneto knows, it is irony.

[Mr.Fantastic]

I am in the same position as I fear my lab will call to me in roughly a bit under 3 hours and I will not be back before the end of the day. I can see where you are going with the talk about the former prelates possibly having a bad person or people among them, and I already have a very very strong idea in my mind on whom I would like to push as they have been bugging me the majority of the game.

I think I would be a hypocrite however if I start a run on a second player right now. After I argued how foolish it was to push multiple people to death levels in one night, for me to do the same probably would not go over so well. Considering Nightcrawler already admitted to at least some of what Firebird said about him, my guess is he is probably where I will be voting.

The edited part is in bold. My mind thinks about 5 paragraphs ahead of my typing and I confuse myself at times.

[DrDoom]

These treacherous rebels know nothing of the might of Doom. They thought their petty rebellion complete, no doubt, only to learn they must face a mightier rival. They will be dust beneath my boot heel.

[SilverSurfer]

There are problems with this
a) we do not know for sure that the rebels were responsible for the death of Apocalypse. If not, though, where is the evidence of their handiwork. There should be another dead in our ranks
b) the main theory is that there are two traitors amongst the Prelates. That seems rather far-fetched.
c) The Watcher telling me that my original assumption about the means of rebel victory is flawed.

a) I am leaning that the rebels were responsible hence the lack of another dead. If not we must consider either a conversion or some other kind of private night action on their part.
b) I believe there was at least one traitor amongst the original Prelates. I am not nearly as confident there were two.
c) I don't understand what you refer to here. Was it an earlier post I missed?

[DrDoom]

Nightcrawler seems the victim of a telepath, most likely. Forcing him to death may not be the best path. Though he may instead be a Skrull, it is hard for us to say now.

Doom will know better where these traitors lay soon. Our former leader was much too lax in rooting them out and much work remains to be done. Doom is eager to hear other suspects than Nightcrawler before the deadline.

Doom also reminds all to commit to the mission to Galactus or face retribution.

[SilverSurfer]

Emma, thank you for thinking through the traitor issues. Perhaps we can look at attacks on known loyal subjects of Apocalypse as well for some similarities between Prelates and the deceased. It bothers me somewhat that we haven't hit a traitor yet. Either their numbers are smaller than we thought or they are really good and something that should be dealt with as soon as possible.

With 30 initial heroes I'm not at all surprised we haven't found a traitor as of yet. I trust we will soon.

[ProfessorX]

[ooc] seriously? you guys really want my wimpy-ass character protecting somebody? retarded choice

[Mimic]

For all to see, these are the updated win conditions.

For the rebels to achieve even a minor victory, they must still overthrow Doom. Previously, they were required to overthrow Apocalypse. Had they been responsible for the death of Apocalypse, I do not believe that the Watcher would have updated the win conditions. I believe he would have left them as is and all would have known that they were one step closer to victory.

I agree with this. The win conditions wouldn't have been updated if the rebels had killed Apocalypse.

[ProfessorX]

*shrugs* nothing i can fucking do about it though

[Mimic]

[ooc] seriously? you guys really want my wimpy-ass character protecting somebody? retarded choice

Obviously you've never met Onslaught.

[ProfessorX]

Not saying I can't do some good -- but the way this game is structured I am much more likely to be able to be effective in an offensive manner expending energy than taking damage

[Mimic]

Not saying I can't do some good -- but the way this game is structured I am much more likely to be able to be effective in an offensive manner expending energy than taking damage

Maybe you're looking at this wrongly. If I were Doom, I'd be ugly.


Wait...I mean if I were Doom, I'd order my Prelates to have the most expendable (or least trustworthy) individuals provide guard actions. I think either Doom doesn't trust you or he finds you not valuable.

[JeanGrey]

Professor X - I think Doom is trying to limit the range of freedom offered to the rebels. I think it's a great concept, but one which will fall short in execution as I think their having wasted special attacks won't prevent them from doing their thing at night one iota.

[Mimic]

I would guess the following:

1. They can only kill once every X nights
2. Their target was Apocalypse and they either killed him or he was dead before they got to him
3. They were blocked
4. They put their energies into some other nefarious plot

Maybe some combination of the four.

Another possibility:
5. The killer was ordered to guard and that overrode his kill last night. (this is technically the same as #3, but just more specific)

[DrDoom]

Professor, you need not exert any powerful strength to guard a Prelate. You must simply sit in harm's way. I would think you especially capable of that.

ALL HAIL DOOM

[Mr.Fantastic]

Another possibility:
5. The killer was ordered to guard and that overrode his kill last night. (this is technically the same as #3, but just more specific)

I find this hard to believe unless there is some requirement they have to have their night orders in by the end of the day phase. I haven't gone back through the lengthy rules to read if that is the case. I believe most of the guard orders were placed well before deadline other than the last one that jeangrey made. So it is hard for me to believe that they didn't know to send a different attacker.

[EmmaFrost]

Before I forget

Order Professor X to protect Magneto

I believe that is correct. This leaves me the quandary of whom to attack and but a short time to decide. There appear to be a multitude of potential targets.

I make the same mistake as everyone else, it seems.

Order Professor X to GUARD Magneto

I feel that Kurt is likely to be killed today. Given Firebird's testiment it seems likely he is either a shape-shifter (possibly another Skrull) or he is in the process of being controlled. This leaves me unsure how to proceed. Do I strike a blow against another, knowing that my blow may assist the rebels if I choose wrongly or do I join the attacks on Nightcrawler, knowing that, at worst, I help kill someone who may soon be the puppet of another and ensure that I don't injure another possible innocent?

My rationale side tells me to attack Nightcrawler. My irrational side says that I don't take kindly to threats. However I feel I need to reassess the situation regarding the attacks on the Human Torch in light of the fact that he showed himself to be a Skrull. It is possible that there is an explanation to be found there.

Attack Nightcrawler

Commit to Galactus Mission

Mr Fantastic, we seem to share many of the same thoughts and it is possible that I might be able to assist you in your endevours. Perhaps we should consider forming a team. Unfortunately such an undertaking will have to wait till the morrow as I must now retire to consider the day's events.

[KangtheConqueror]

I think there was certainly a traitor lying on the original prelate council. Two is a possiblity as well. Frankly, I took there being one as fact given the traitor win conditions. I can't think that they would have to kill 3 existing good prelates and hope their group gets picked each time (or kill more than 3 and hope they are picked thrice) while *also* having to kill Apocolypse who is in charge (er, was in charge) of naming more prelates.

[Magneto]

Lord Doom, are you still a member of the Brotherhood? If not, would you consider joining for a time so that we may speak?

[GhostRider]

You must simply sit in harm's way. I would think you especially capable of that.


With all of our superpowers and scientists and stuff, maybe somebody should create a power whereby you can give the X-man some legs...just sayin'.

[KangtheConqueror]

Doom is eager to hear other suspects than Nightcrawler before the deadline.



Agreed great Dr. Doom. This run on Nightcrawler has me worried.

I'd like to see us try to continue to untangle the Colossus/Silver Samurai issue.

[Mimic]

I find this hard to believe unless there is some requirement they have to have their night orders in by the end of the day phase. I haven't gone back through the lengthy rules to read if that is the case. I believe most of the guard orders were placed well before deadline other than the last one that jeangrey made. So it is hard for me to believe that they didn't know to send a different attacker.

Good points, but if by chance only selected individuals can kill or it is done on a rotating basis, then there is the slim possibility we got one of them to guard.

6. They didn't have their shit together and failed to submit a kill action.

I remember that happening a few times before in games.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Another possibility:
5. The killer was ordered to guard and that overrode his kill last night. (this is technically the same as #3, but just more specific)


I read through and didn't see anything specifically that said the rebel's night order had to be in at any specific time, but the attacks at night are listed in the night action section which would have meant a deadline for placing this order at many many hours after the guard orders were placed.

As a small note of commentary, it doesn't suprise me too greatly though that you are coming up with alternate suggestions to the idea that the rebels might have killed Apoc because of the number of evil prelates there might have been.

[GhostRider]

I just talked to the Watcher and it would cost 100 energy points to give the good doctor legs so, ummmm, yeah, I don't have those kind of points laying around...maybe you can find yourself a sugar daddy. Magneto? Lord Doom?

[JeanGrey]

I think that the most simple explanation is that the traitors killed Apocolypse.

Lord Doom, can you confirm that your ability to usurp Apoc's position was known only to you (or to a small group)?

[ProfessorX]

With all of our superpowers and scientists and stuff, maybe somebody should create a power whereby you can give the X-man some legs...just sayin'.

Haha. I have no need of legs. And truth-be-told, if I was adamantly against using this guard mission today, I have my ways to avoid it. That would however involve expending energy that I feel would be better used elsewhere, which is why I am trying to talk my way out of it.

[DrDoom]

I have not yet joined any teams, Magneto. Until I am sure who to include in my private circle of trust Doom will keep his own counsel.

[JeanGrey]

I'm certainly willing to cast my day's attack on Mimic. He claimed to be willing to sacrifice himself against Galaticus (which would obviously serve the traitor's goals as well). But would this have exposed him as a traitor?

Regardless, claiming that you are willing to do something and actually doing it, especially in this case are very different things.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Mr Fantastic, we seem to share many of the same thoughts and it is possible that I might be able to assist you in your endevours. Perhaps we should consider forming a team. Unfortunately such an undertaking will have to wait till the morrow as I must now retire to consider the day's events.

I am not opposed to being on the same team as you, I think you have had some logical thoughts today. My line of research is different from some of the others that people have mentioned needing assistance, in where I simply create inventions that have certain capabilities. The best help I can think of right now is discussions of whom I should be looking to send to negative zone tommorrow to either protect or inprison.

[GhostRider]

I think that the most simple explanation is that the traitors killed Apocolypse.

Lord Doom, can you confirm that your ability to usurp Apoc's position was known only to you (or to a small group)?

I tend to go with Occam's Razor here, which then means that they felt like they were getting close to win conditions, right? So they had to have 2 prelates to think they were throwing away a win condition so early. Plus, they killed him before he could name a replacement for Dr. Strangelove so that means they could've had 2 out of 4, needing to simply eliminate 1.

[Mr.Fantastic]

I'm certainly willing to cast my day's attack on Mimic. He claimed to be willing to sacrifice himself against Galaticus (which would obviously serve the traitor's goals as well). But would this have exposed him as a traitor?

Regardless, claiming that you are willing to do something and actually doing it, especially in this case are very different things.


The biggest reason I think I am holding off on attacking mimic today and instead going with nightcrawler is he claims that he can take care of Galactus, and I believe he says that he can do it by tommorrow. He also claims that it would fully clear him when he does it... so even though nearly zero of his arguements the past few days have made me feel comfortable, I am thinking perhaps based on risk vs reward it is worth waiting one more day to see how he performs vs Galacticus. If he doesn't, and it was all smoke, then we'll come after him strong at that point I guess.

[Mimic]

<b>Dr. Doom orders Jean Grey to guard Dr. Doom</b>

Professor X, Cable, Aardwolf and Colossus will be ordered by the other Prelates to guard each other.

Well, let's narrow down the options. I don't think we should attack these fellows.

From the Herald list I made earlier:
1. Nightcrawler
2. Emma Frost
9. Professor X
10. Mr. Fantastic
11. Iron Fist
13. Henry Pym
19. Firebird
22. Aardwolf
23. Nick Fury
25. Spider Man

Take off Emma Frost, Professor X, Mr. Fantastic (who has supposedly created a machine to the Negative Zone), and Aardwolf and you're left with:

Nightcrawler
Iron Fist
Henry Pym
Firebird
Nick Fury
Spider Man

I think if we go from this list, we'll either hit the Herald or a rebel. Thoughts?

[DrDoom]

You have a probing mind, indeed, Dr. Grey. Lord Doom has no reason to think these pathetic rebels had the ability to understand the genius of Dr. Doom. While they planned for victory they have tasted defeat.

[Mr.Fantastic]

One concern I have with how much everyone is hopping around teams is that one of the bonuses we receive is:

Teams:
5.) Opportunity for additional rewards based on duration of team


I don't have any idea of what type of rewards we are talking, but unless there is a good reason to move, perhaps people should find teams that they like or trust and stick with them to try to give us additional rewards or bonuses to meet our goals.

[DrDoom]

I see no reason to think your list would find a rebel, Mimic. Finding the identity of the Herald is essential, but it is rebels that we need to kill.

FIND DOOM THE REBELS

[ProfessorX]

I reject the characterization of me as weak - in fact...if I wanted somebody dead, I have ways of making quite sure that that would happen.

[GhostRider]

I reject the characterization of me as weak - in fact...if I wanted somebody dead, I have ways of making quite sure that that would happen.

Professor X, I hope you weren't taking my joking as anything but that, joking. I respect you and your academy to the fullest, you've boldly gone where no mutant has gone before. It's an impressive enterprise, really.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Someone had the suggestion earlier that Galacticus's attack on SuperSkull (aka Human Torch) was action driven. Does anyone have a quick list of who has not expended points today by going on either mission? (Even though Galacticus mission hasn't left yet, we know who has signed up for it). I fully realize I am on that list, but I am curious if anyone is as a possible sign whom the herald might be.

[ProfessorX]

Of course.

It was more bristling at the characterization of me as weak or expendable. I believe I am anything but.

Last time I utilized my powers too much and too often. This time I intentionally laid back and gathered some strength so that I might use them later.

[Mimic]

The biggest reason I think I am holding off on attacking mimic today and instead going with nightcrawler is he claims that he can take care of Galactus, and I believe he says that he can do it by tommorrow. He also claims that it would fully clear him when he does it... so even though nearly zero of his arguements the past few days have made me feel comfortable, I am thinking perhaps based on risk vs reward it is worth waiting one more day to see how he performs vs Galacticus. If he doesn't, and it was all smoke, then we'll come after him strong at that point I guess.

Correction: I can hopefully take care of Galactus in two days...and that is dependent upon another. I should know more hopefully later today.

I think Jean is either the Herald and wishes to stop me or she is severely misguided. I'm tending to think the former as opposed to the latter at this point. She knows my plan and I have laid it out for her. Perhaps that was a mistake, but she was to be a key part in my continuing on in the game.

[Vision]

I may have urgent business to attend to elsewhere soon, which may take the rest of the day. So I would like to share my suspicions now, before it is too late.

I feel that Mimic has been acting erratically, and against the best interests of our goals. His actions are questionable, but his explanations and theories are, at best, incoherent, and at worst, dangerously distracting.

This run on Nightcrawler has merit, but I do not see Firebird's discovery as fully damning as yet, and I think it possible that some of the move toward him is born of distraction.

For now, I will act, and time permitting I will attempt to provide examples leading to my concern about Mimic. I know not when I will be called away today.

STANDARD ATTACK MIMIC

ACTIVATE DEFENSE

[HenryPym]

Nightcrawler seems the victim of a telepath, most likely. Forcing him to death may not be the best path. Though he may instead be a Skrull, it is hard for us to say now.

Doom will know better where these traitors lay soon. Our former leader was much too lax in rooting them out and much work remains to be done. Doom is eager to hear other suspects than Nightcrawler before the deadline.

Doom also reminds all to commit to the mission to Galactus or face retribution.

Then I shall give you some suspects Lord Doom.

Since you believe there was one or more traitors on the original council, it may make sense to attack one of them. And I agree that there was likely at least one on the council to begin with.

How about Spiderman? We are all kind of forgetting about him because he's barely participating, but remember he apparantly did nothing in the first Galactus mission. Others proposed he simply was not suited for the space mission, which seems to be a weak reasoning to me. Perhaps he is this Herald of Galactus we appear to be looking for now, and thus he could not harm his master?

To be honest I'm not sold on this theory myself, but perhaps it is one worth exploring.

[Mimic]

When's the last time Spidey's been here?

[Mr.Fantastic]

I may have urgent business to attend to elsewhere soon, which may take the rest of the day. So I would like to share my suspicions now, before it is too late.

I feel that Mimic has been acting erratically, and against the best interests of our goals. His actions are questionable, but his explanations and theories are, at best, incoherent, and at worst, dangerously distracting.

This run on Nightcrawler has merit, but I do not see Firebird's discovery as fully damning as yet, and I think it possible that some of the move toward him is born of distraction.

For now, I will act, and time permitting I will attempt to provide examples leading to my concern about Mimic. I know not when I will be called away today.

STANDARD ATTACK MIMIC

ACTIVATE DEFENSE


Not that I feel you are that off base about mimic.. but I don't understand your comments about Firebird... Nightcrawler basically admitted what firebird said was true, but played it off as someone has been controlling him or something.

[DrDoom]

Doom believes the following have not acted or committed to act this day.

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I expect the Scarlet Witch to aid the Galactus mission from earth. The others will be in the fist of Doom if they choose to remain silent.

[Mimic]

I may have urgent business to attend to elsewhere soon, which may take the rest of the day. So I would like to share my suspicions now, before it is too late.

I feel that Mimic has been acting erratically, and against the best interests of our goals. His actions are questionable, but his explanations and theories are, at best, incoherent, and at worst, dangerously distracting.

This run on Nightcrawler has merit, but I do not see Firebird's discovery as fully damning as yet, and I think it possible that some of the move toward him is born of distraction.

For now, I will act, and time permitting I will attempt to provide examples leading to my concern about Mimic. I know not when I will be called away today.

STANDARD ATTACK MIMIC

ACTIVATE DEFENSE

Do what you will android, but beware I have your power and memories as well.

Damn, that's the power I should've made up...if someone attacks me, I find out if they're a traitor

[Mr.Fantastic]

Okay folks, here is wha thappened during my night action. I got a message on Night One that one of my teammates was wrong somehow. Last night I explored that feeling and was told that Nightcrawler is either not as he seems or is possesssed somehow.

ooc - I am leaving in abiout ten minutes. I need to replenish the energy that I used to explore my visions surrounding Nightcrawler, so I am just putting out a quick vote and will beg off missions today.

Nightcrawler will have a chance to let us know what is going on in the thread, and he is my teammate, but for now, I have to attack someone, and I may not be back before deadline tonight. As such.

Standard Attack on Nightcrawler

I'm afraid this might be true. I've been getting similar PMs since night one (though about myself, not a teammate). I have a feeling one of the telepaths has the ability to control me, but that they haven't exerted it yet. I didn't want to say anything because I'd hoped to figure it out first, but now I just hope that it's a good-aligned telepath..


I guess I don't understand why people are thinking there is not much to this.. Firebird has been getting this message multiple days (She refers to both night 1 and night 2 messages) that Nightcrawler is not what he seems. Nightcrawler basically admits to it but says someone has been controlling him (for two days?).. So that means there has to be someone who is telepathic that hasn't gone on a mission for two days that is controlling nightcrawler to make him evil or not as he seems? Is there anyone who even fits that category now? I think pretty much anyone who is telepathic has used up a Special action or at least gone on a mission one of the days right?

I guess I am having a hard time seeing how nightcrawler is a good guy here.. At worst he is a third party, possibly skull.. possibly herald, possibly something else..

[KangtheConqueror]

Mr F - While I don't think Nightcrawler is a bad place to attack today, I think just chalking it up as a lets-all-vote-there situation is a bad tactic if we really want to be successful here. If we're wrong, we just wasted a day. We have the time, let's discuss, and I say that full well knowing one of the likely topics of discussion is the original Prelates of which I was one.

[ProfessorX]

Reed - I am telepathic and I have not. However I have not utilized my telepathic powers to control anybody to this point. I suppose you all will have to take my word for that though. I have been building up my energy so that I have the energy to do it twice without recharging.

[Cable]

Ah good. Lord Apocalypse has returned. I look forward to seeing his wisdom and selection of the next Prelate.

Lord Apocalypse, we have a vacancy left with the traitors killing Stephen Strange last night. I would not presume to prod you, but you may select a new Fifth Prelate.

Yesterday, these 2 comments made me suspicious of Mimic. Why so much interest in having the new Prelate appointed? Adding in some of the new research folks have been doing today with regards to traitor motives, I believe Mimic was the Prelate traitor.

I was going to do this much sooner, but I had to dig up these 2 posts. With work getting in the way, it took me a few to find them.

STANDARD ATTACK MIMIC

[Mr.Fantastic]

Mr F - While I don't think Nightcrawler is a bad place to attack today, I think just chalking it up as a lets-all-vote-there situation is a bad tactic if we really want to be successful here. If we're wrong, we just wasted a day. We have the time, let's discuss, and I say that full well knowing one of the likely topics of discussion is the original Prelates of which I was one.


I have been a part of the discussions regarding other things, I have no problems with multiple topics of discussion at the same time if we have good reason for it. I simply mean in regards to today's attacks. I feel I did an adequate job of detailing last night how it likely would be in the bad guy's best interest to try to spread the attacks around as much as possible to weaken as many people as possible. Unless we are certain about multiple people, it seems like a recipe to get multiple people killed one days to which the percentages are not in our favor.

[HenryPym]

In Firebird's defense Lord Doom, she did say she would be away today, and did provide us with a potential suspect in Nightcrawler. In fact I think she may be a good person to protect with Dr. Richards device if Nightcrawler does indeed turn out to be a traitor.

[ProfessorX]

Yesterday, these 2 comments made me suspicious of Mimic. Why so much interest in having the new Prelate appointed? Adding in some of the new research folks have been doing today with regards to traitor motives, I believe Mimic was the Prelate traitor.

I was going to do this much sooner, but I had to dig up these 2 posts. With work getting in the way, it took me a few to find them.

STANDARD ATTACK MIMIC

Interesting conclusion, and one that I do not disagree with (which is not to say that I agree with it either, just that the idea has merit).

[Punisher]

Here's a question I'd like to know, maybe one of you can answer it:

Is Firebird some sort of telepath type? If not, how did she come up with the information on Nightcrawler?

[Vision]

Not that I feel you are that off base about mimic.. but I don't understand your comments about Firebird... Nightcrawler basically admitted what firebird said was true, but played it off as someone has been controlling him or something.

Yes, Reed, to be sure, I am not casting aspersions on Firebird. I am suggesting that the data she brought to light is by nature incomplete, and may not, by itself, indicate Nightcrawler's need to die tonight.

I am not attempting to clear Kurt Wagner, but I am instead voicing my growing concern about the former Second Prelate. I believe Mimic, if evil, is a greater threat to our cause than Nightcrawler.

Two quick items: 1) Nightcrawler at least played a key role in a successful mission. 2) Mimic has set an artificial (I believe) timetable for success against Galactus which, had Doom not assumed the mantle of leadership, would have given the rebels time for victory, assuming that the two-rebels-on-the-council theory were true.

[Vision]

In Firebird's defense Lord Doom, she did say she would be away today, and did provide us with a potential suspect in Nightcrawler. In fact I think she may be a good person to protect with Dr. Richards device if Nightcrawler does indeed turn out to be a traitor.

I second this.

[Punisher]

I guess I don't understand why people are thinking there is not much to this.. Firebird has been getting this message multiple days (She refers to both night 1 and night 2 messages) that Nightcrawler is not what he seems. Nightcrawler basically admits to it but says someone has been controlling him (for two days?).. So that means there has to be someone who is telepathic that hasn't gone on a mission for two days that is controlling nightcrawler to make him evil or not as he seems? Is there anyone who even fits that category now? I think pretty much anyone who is telepathic has used up a Special action or at least gone on a mission one of the days right?

I guess I am having a hard time seeing how nightcrawler is a good guy here.. At worst he is a third party, possibly skull.. possibly herald, possibly something else..
Here's a question I'd like to know, maybe one of you can answer it:

Is Firebird some sort of telepath type? If not, how did she come up with the information on Nightcrawler?

[Mr.Fantastic]

Yes, Reed, to be sure, I am not casting aspersions on Firebird. I am suggesting that the data she brought to light is by nature incomplete, and may not, by itself, indicate Nightcrawler's need to die tonight.

I am not attempting to clear Kurt Wagner, but I am instead voicing my growing concern about the former Second Prelate. I believe Mimic, if evil, is a greater threat to our cause than Nightcrawler.

Two quick items: 1) Nightcrawler at least played a key role in a successful mission. 2) Mimic has set an artificial (I believe) timetable for success against Galactus which, had Doom not assumed the mantle of leadership, would have given the rebels time for victory, assuming that the two-rebels-on-the-council theory were true.


Lets weigh the reward/risk of each though... Nightcrawler does not seem to have any option to prove himself to be other than what Firebird has said, while Mimic has at least said that his actions on the third day would prove his not being a traitor. If he is unable to do so by tommorrow, then I'll likely join in with you on this vote.. but I think that the risk ratio of being wrong about nightcrawler is much less than that of being wrong about mimic I guess.

[Punisher]

I think I'm with Cable.

REVOKE ATTACK ON NIGHTCRAWLER

ATTACK MIMIC

[GhostRider]

Here's a question I'd like to know, maybe one of you can answer it:

Is Firebird some sort of telepath type? If not, how did she come up with the information on Nightcrawler?

According to Wiki, she has precognition or ESP as a talent so it likely entered this game.

[Mimic]

Yesterday, these 2 comments made me suspicious of Mimic. Why so much interest in having the new Prelate appointed? Adding in some of the new research folks have been doing today with regards to traitor motives, I believe Mimic was the Prelate traitor.

I was going to do this much sooner, but I had to dig up these 2 posts. With work getting in the way, it took me a few to find them.

STANDARD ATTACK MIMIC

I dunno why I would have so much interest.

Minority ("Good"): Easy way: Overthrow the tyrant (ie - kill Apocalypse, er DOOM!), plus assume majority of seats on ruling council.

The guy I believed should be the Fifth Prelate is now a Prelate of Doom. Go figure.

[Mimic]

there should be some extremely interesting results today. I look forward to it!

Anyhow, I'm sort of drawing some conclusions here.

[EmmaFrost]

I am concerned that Silver Surfer and myself may be at danger if we do not receive more assistance in our mission.

Now I must depart.

[ProfessorX]

Emma - do you believe that what Mimic says might have merit and Jean may be the Herald / a rebel? Or do you feel that Mimic is perhaps a rebel?

[ProfessorX]

If you believe one of these to be true, and you release me from my guarding mission, I can ascertain whether it is true...

[Vision]

I am caught up on the happenings and I am troubled that neither Magneto nor Professor X would accept my offer to go on the mutant mission. I am suspicious of their actions so

I order The Beast to go with them.

I trust Hank McCoy will be able to find any untrustworthy individuals on the mission, although I hope this is not the case.

This is the first intance I found, and while not overly concerning, it was at the time considered by some to be a random, and unstrategic move.

I apologize, my connection to FOFC seems to be running extremely slowly at the moment. I'm a big comic geek, but I'm not familiar with certain characters playing the game.

There are certainly characters that could create the storm, including myself. Without going back to check on the mutant the team was going to get, there's a possibility that he/she was the one who created the storm, etc. I remember he/she was an Omega level mutant.

Another possibility was that it was some evil faction within our midst who prevented the mission from occuring. Certainly, the servants of Apocalypse knew who was going on the mission and if there are unloyal ones who did not go on the mission then they would have had a leg up in coming up with a strategy to defeat those that went.

A third possibility was that it was some unrevealed foe. The Mole Man comes to mind with his minions, but he does not have psionic powers.

Here, I contend that Mimic is using the classic strategy of declaring his exact methodology, but casting away suspicion since he is the one to bring it up.

Another note, I may be called away at any moment, I'll try to continue as long as I may.

[Mimic]

Well, to get this out in the open this was what happened (as told to Magneto, Professor X, Jean Grey, and later the Scarlet Witch (I also think Quicksilver and Colossus got a hold of this story as well)):

When Iron Fist came up with a power that could delay Galactus, I thought "how convenient". Then I realized with the "Make Your Own Power" power I could make up my own power. I made up a power that would let me absorb Galactus' might and defeat him, thus eliminating him from the game. Well, it doesn't work that simply. I need 20 energy in order to do it and another player to boost me to a level to which I could absorb Galactus' power. Also, a bad side effect of using this power is that I will die. That first night I was prepared to accept that and go down in a blaze of glory...

Also, I would be cleared in the process.

Yesterday I thought about it more and realized that this is a freakin' comic book game. Characters come back from the dead all the time. I came up with the idea that perhaps Jean could bring me back from the dead with her "Make Your Own Power" but when I joined the Brotherhood, that didn't work out as well as Magneto not being able to boost my power. I had to seek someone else out and initially believed Doom could do this. Doom wouldn't join me for a private conversation so I kept that under wraps. Hopefully the Scarlet Witch can boost my power as I have 15 energy at the moment and will reach 20 in two more days.

Now that this is out in the open, I can only fear the Herald as the Rebels know I will eliminate a threat to them as well.

Can I still come back from the dead? I have some ideas with certain characters that I would need help from, but it would be worth it to bring me back since I would be a known quantity and have some pretty good powers...some of which you'll see today if you continue to attack me. :)

[DrDoom]

Beast, Henry Pym and Quicksilver go with you too Emma, and Scarlet Witch assists from the earth.

[Mimic]

Oh, I believe Emma knows this as well and can at least back up that everything I've written is what I've PMed with them about.

[Vision]

Now that we have all gathered for attacks, I can use the combined intellect of Reed Richards, Victor Von Doom, Professor X, Hank Pym, Hank McCoy, and Bruce Ban....er....forget that last guy.

This may be a little late in coming, but I propose the following strategy:

A truce between the traitors and the loyal servants of Apocalypse. We conduct standard attacks and gain energy and focus our energies on our common enemy: Galactus. Once Galactus is out of the picture, we can root out the traitors.

How does that sound?

The traitors must stop Galactus.

If this is a normal game of Werewolf, then there are certainly fewer of them than there are of us

The traitors need our assistance. I don't expect them to accept the proposal, but I do expect extreme cooperation in defeating Galactus. If everyone agrees to this, then it also might be easier to discern who is sandbagging it.

There is another option, which I will explore with the GMs to take care of Galactus....

This was a pronouncement by mimic which, you may recall, was widely panned by the assembly. Stop looking for traitors? A truce? Hmm.

[Mimic]

This is the first intance I found, and while not overly concerning, it was at the time considered by some to be a random, and unstrategic move.



Here, I contend that Mimic is using the classic strategy of declaring his exact methodology, but casting away suspicion since he is the one to bring it up.

Another note, I may be called away at any moment, I'll try to continue as long as I may.

You're not making any sense. How would I cause the storm when I didn't go on the mission? What, did I give Beast some of my power? It ain't possible.

[Magneto]

I have not yet joined any teams, Magneto. Until I am sure who to include in my private circle of trust Doom will keep his own counsel.

As you wish, Lord Doom.

One of the issues I wish to discuss is a potential vulnerability of Galactus. He relies on his body armor to regulate his functions. If those functions can be disrupted, I expect he would become much weaker -- perhaps weak enough for Mimic's scheme to succeed.

I have a certain...aptitude...for disassembling devices, as was seen on the mission against the destroyer.

If anyone can find a way to affect the armor, it would be you, Lordship.

[Colossus]

Strange! I thought you were too exhausted from your mission to be able to attack anyone.

Please inform me, how hard are your normal punches? I would prefer a verbal response rather than a physical demonstration, if at all possible.


Hence my statement that if you had asked earlier, IE prior to the mission, I could have reserved a point for your demonstration.

And since Mr. Storm has now been eliminated and verified my distrust of him I can be honest with my abilities.

I do 2 points of damage per ep I expend. I hit him with 3 points because I suspected he was not what he said he was. I have no solid evidence, it was a gut feeling, luckily my instincts were correct in this case.

I postured strongly to keep everyone leery of trying to attack me for fear of my retaliation.

Victor, I will do as ordered if you so choose, (guarding tonight) however I am still very weak from the attack on Galactus and fear that I may not be the best person to protect anyone this evening.

[ProfessorX]

This was indeed the idea that Mimic came up with and presented to us.

[Vision]

Well, to get this out in the open this was what happened (as told to Magneto, Professor X, Jean Grey, and later the Scarlet Witch (I also think Quicksilver and Colossus got a hold of this story as well)):

When Iron Fist came up with a power that could delay Galactus, I thought "how convenient". Then I realized with the "Make Your Own Power" power I could make up my own power. I made up a power that would let me absorb Galactus' might and defeat him, thus eliminating him from the game. Well, it doesn't work that simply. I need 20 energy in order to do it and another player to boost me to a level to which I could absorb Galactus' power. Also, a bad side effect of using this power is that I will die. That first night I was prepared to accept that and go down in a blaze of glory...

Also, I would be cleared in the process.

Yesterday I thought about it more and realized that this is a freakin' comic book game. Characters come back from the dead all the time. I came up with the idea that perhaps Jean could bring me back from the dead with her "Make Your Own Power" but when I joined the Brotherhood, that didn't work out as well as Magneto not being able to boost my power. I had to seek someone else out and initially believed Doom could do this. Doom wouldn't join me for a private conversation so I kept that under wraps. Hopefully the Scarlet Witch can boost my power as I have 15 energy at the moment and will reach 20 in two more days.

Now that this is out in the open, I can only fear the Herald as the Rebels know I will eliminate a threat to them as well.

Can I still come back from the dead? I have some ideas with certain characters that I would need help from, but it would be worth it to bring me back since I would be a known quantity and have some pretty good powers...some of which you'll see today if you continue to attack me. :)

Mimic, this is indeed a bold plan. Do we have any way of supporting it, though? How are we to know that you were not just selling a bill of goods to Magneto, Jean (actually I suspect she may be in the plot with you anyway), and Scarlet Witch?

If I find myself convinced, and I can get in before the deadline I'll certainly be willing to remove my attack.

[Mimic]

This was a pronouncement by mimic which, you may recall, was widely panned by the assembly. Stop looking for traitors? A truce? Hmm.

Sure I've made mistakes, but c'mon you must have a short-circuit if you think that a traitor would be so heavy handed.

I hesitate to write this since I'm sure you'll respond with something like

That's what you want us to think. I can feel it in my android joints that you are the rebel/traitor.

:hand:

[Mr.Fantastic]

Mimic, this is indeed a bold plan. Do we have any way of supporting it, though? How are we to know that you were not just selling a bill of goods to Magneto, Jean (actually I suspect she may be in the plot with you anyway), and Scarlet Witch?

If I find myself convinced, and I can get in before the deadline I'll certainly be willing to remove my attack.

I still think since we surely are looking for more than one traitor, what is the harm in giving Mimic tommorrow to prove he is not just trying to sell us a bill of sale here. Many of the same concerns you bring up are ones I have already voiced (and as far as I know, I was the only one who voted for mimic yesterday and couldn't get anyone else to join me). If all will be proven before the weekend as he says, we have another decent candidate today to focus on anyways. It is not like we have to randomly choose as if this was day 1.

[Magneto]

Yesterday I thought about it more and realized that this is a freakin' comic book game. Characters come back from the dead all the time. I came up with the idea that perhaps Jean could bring me back from the dead with her "Make Your Own Power" but when I joined the Brotherhood, that didn't work out as well as Magneto not being able to boost my power. I had to seek someone else out and initially believed Doom could do this. Doom wouldn't join me for a private conversation so I kept that under wraps. Hopefully the Scarlet Witch can boost my power as I have 15 energy at the moment and will reach 20 in two more days.


I can confirm that my discussions with the Watcher indicate that Mimic has been working on a plan that would enable us to defeat Galactus. The words of the Watcher were specific enough that I am convinced that Mimic is not lying about this.

Lord Doom may have similar insights. Mimic turned to him next to determine if there was a magical or mechanical means through which his power could be boosted.

[hoopsguy]

Moderator question: Is the "ruling council" the five prelates of Apocalypse/Doom. Or everyone.

In the event that this has not yet been answered, the "ruling council" does not include Apoc/Doom since they have to be eliminated. It does make up whatever number of prelates are in the game at the time.

[Colossus]

Sure I've made mistakes, but c'mon you must have a short-circuit if you think that a traitor would be so heavy handed.

I hesitate to write this since I'm sure you'll respond with something like

That's what you want us to think. I can feel it in my android joints that you are the rebel/traitor.

:hand:



Vision is an Android, he doesn't "feel" anything.

[Mimic]

Mimic, this is indeed a bold plan. Do we have any way of supporting it, though? How are we to know that you were not just selling a bill of goods to Magneto, Jean (actually I suspect she may be in the plot with you anyway), and Scarlet Witch?

If I find myself convinced, and I can get in before the deadline I'll certainly be willing to remove my attack.

Nope. No way of supporting it. In fact, if I were you I would say this is patently ridiculous. How do we know that we aren't boosting your power to take out Lord Doom? How do we know that you are going to do what you're going to say?

FWIW, I think Jean's evil as well.

*shrug* Trust me or trust me not. If y'all don't like the plan it's fine with me to scrap it.

I like playing the game, but by the same token...damn it's hard to get work done! *cough* especially when I have to defend myself

[HenryPym]

As you wish, Lord Doom.

One of the issues I wish to discuss is a potential vulnerability of Galactus. He relies on his body armor to regulate his functions. If those functions can be disrupted, I expect he would become much weaker -- perhaps weak enough for Mimic's scheme to succeed.

I have a certain...aptitude...for disassembling devices, as was seen on the mission against the destroyer.

If anyone can find a way to affect the armor, it would be you, Lordship.

Actually I did not know Galactus wore body armor. I believe I too may be able to affect it.

[DrDoom]

Doom has his own schemes to deal with Galactus, which I trust well. Our first priority must be success on today's mission, and a successful attack in this evening. This will give us the time for my plans to come to fruition.

[Mimic]

Vision is an Android, he doesn't "feel" anything.

He told me that he felt something cold and metal slip up next to his butt last night. Was that you? :eek:

[Mimic]

I still think since we surely are looking for more than one traitor, what is the harm in giving Mimic tommorrow to prove he is not just trying to sell us a bill of sale here. Many of the same concerns you bring up are ones I have already voiced (and as far as I know, I was the only one who voted for mimic yesterday and couldn't get anyone else to join me). If all will be proven before the weekend as he says, we have another decent candidate today to focus on anyways. It is not like we have to randomly choose as if this was day 1.

Again, it will not be tomorrow. I have 15 energy at the moment and will need 20 total.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Again, it will not be tomorrow. I have 15 energy at the moment and will need 20 total.


If you aren't exerting any energy elsewhere, shouldn't you get 20 by tommorrow night?

[Magneto]

He told me that he felt something cold and metal slip up next to his butt last night. Was that you? :eek:
[ooc] get back to work, pervert![\ooc]

[Mimic]

If you aren't exerting any energy elsewhere, shouldn't you get 20 by tommorrow night?

I'm not sure what everybody else started with but I started with 10 energy.

Day 1: Standard attack -1
Night 1: Recover 4
Day 2: Standard attack -1
Night 2: Recover 4
Day 3: Attack Destroyer -1
Day 3: Standard attack -1
Night 3: Recover 4

That comes out to 18 tomorrow morning.

[KangtheConqueror]

I'm ok with letting Mimic proceed with his plan. In my mind the outcomes are

- He succeeds and dies (works for me, truth be told, and I could see that even if he's a traitor the group of them might've devised this)
- He succeeds and lives. I'll not be itching to lynch him, but it won't clear him IMO
- He fails and dies (not as good as above, but hey, it's his funeral)
- He fails and lives (lynch time holmes)
- It's all a bluff (lynch time holmes)

I think if it's a bluff then he's royally screwed himself since I imagine it was aimed to be in conjunction with killing Apocolpyse and winning the game in a fell swoop (with him, possibly JG and the new appointee making the 3/5 council win)

[Mimic]

[ooc] get back to work, pervert![\ooc]

I just sent an email out...what more do you want?

Besides, Vizh told me that he mistook Colossus for Jocasta. Imagine the surprise this morning in that bed!

[KangtheConqueror]

Hence my statement that if you had asked earlier, IE prior to the mission, I could have reserved a point for your demonstration.

And since Mr. Storm has now been eliminated and verified my distrust of him I can be honest with my abilities.

I do 2 points of damage per ep I expend. I hit him with 3 points because I suspected he was not what he said he was. I have no solid evidence, it was a gut feeling, luckily my instincts were correct in this case.

I postured strongly to keep everyone leery of trying to attack me for fear of my retaliation.

Victor, I will do as ordered if you so choose, (guarding tonight) however I am still very weak from the attack on Galactus and fear that I may not be the best person to protect anyone this evening.

Your story sure does change a lot Colossus. Frankly, you're likely going to be staring down some 40th century metal today with my attack my friend.

[Mr.Fantastic]

I'm not sure what everybody else started with but I started with 10 energy.

Day 1: Standard attack -1
Night 1: Recover 4
Day 2: Standard attack -1
Night 2: Recover 4
Day 3: Attack Destroyer -1
Day 3: Standard attack -1
Night 3: Recover 4

That comes out to 18 tomorrow morning.


You said you have 15 now. you should get 3 tonight and 3 friday night correct? that would be more than 20 if we give you tommorrow. I have very little patience to let you string us out till Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.. by what you say you should have enough energy by tommorrow night.

[DrDoom]

The danger, Kang, is what a bluff mihgt be concealing. Is there something else he is capable of by storing up energy, and will we survive it? I have little desire to let one of my servants stock up energy while the rest toil for me.

I do not trust well a plan that involves letting a player sit idly by. But Doom is yet undecided.

[Mimic]

I'm ok with letting Mimic proceed with his plan. In my mind the outcomes are

- He succeeds and dies (works for me, truth be told, and I could see that even if he's a traitor the group of them might've devised this)
- He succeeds and lives. I'll not be itching to lynch him, but it won't clear him IMO
- He fails and dies (not as good as above, but hey, it's his funeral)
- He fails and lives (lynch time holmes)
- It's all a bluff (lynch time holmes)

I think if it's a bluff then he's royally screwed himself since I imagine it was aimed to be in conjunction with killing Apocolpyse and winning the game in a fell swoop (with him, possibly JG and the new appointee making the 3/5 council win)

Again, there is no option for me succeeding and living. I will die if I am successful. Once I'm dead, I'll be cleared. It will be up to the group whether they would like my services back.

This has sort of fallen apart and I wish this could've been done in private but it is what it is. Kang, I believe you are one of the few that could bring me back from the dead. I also think you could use your power to help our cause a little more....

I'll leave it at that. I don't want to spell it out completely, but hopefully you can read between the lines.

[ProfessorX]

if i am guarding i still have to make a standard attack, right? because i'm going to dinner with a buddy so i should do it now to make sure i get in at least a placeholder

[KangtheConqueror]

Again, there is no option for me succeeding and living. I will die if I am successful. Once I'm dead, I'll be cleared. It will be up to the group whether they would like my services back.

This has sort of fallen apart and I wish this could've been done in private but it is what it is. Kang, I believe you are one of the few that could bring me back from the dead. I also think you could use your power to help our cause a little more....

I'll leave it at that. I don't want to spell it out completely, but hopefully you can read between the lines.

I have zero ability to bring anyone back from the dead. I've already stated one of my abilities, and that is certainly not bringing people BACK to life.

The other isn't that, it has a use, but given it's cost my desire to use it has been mitigated.

I think you're making a lot of suppositions about people's powers, given how off-base you appear to be regarding mine.

[Mimic]

You said you have 15 now. you should get 3 tonight and 3 friday night correct? that would be more than 20 if we give you tommorrow. I have very little patience to let you string us out till Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.. by what you say you should have enough energy by tommorrow night.

You kept on saying give me till tomorrow. I won't have enough energy by then. I won't get the energy until after the Day 4 Night Actions are complete.

The other thing is that this is also dependent on another. Can I take out Galactus? Sure, but not by myself.

Essentially I was (and still am if this all works out) trying to rid you of one variable in the win conditions. The rest of you could concentrate on the traitors. How is that not good?

[Mr.Fantastic]

You kept on saying give me till tomorrow. I won't have enough energy by then. I won't get the energy until after the Day 4 Night Actions are complete.

The other thing is that this is also dependent on another. Can I take out Galactus? Sure, but not by myself.

Essentially I was (and still am if this all works out) trying to rid you of one variable in the win conditions. The rest of you could concentrate on the traitors. How is that not good?

Ok, you are convincing me more and more that depending on you is not necessarily a good idea. As I was trying to encourage others to give you a few days to prove yourself, instead you are playing word games with me and now trying to stretch what you originally said 3 days to who knows how many.

My last several posts have all said we should give you tomorrow and you should have enough points by tomorrow night, yet you instead try to twist the argument around and play games. So I give up and you win.. I don't care, everyone can vote for Mimic after all, I have no desire to protect him especially when he is being difficult. I don't think I believe you any longer and I'll invent some other way to take care of Galacticus if you aren't going to.

[Mimic]

I have zero ability to bring anyone back from the dead. I've already stated one of my abilities, and that is certainly not bringing people BACK to life.

The other isn't that, it has a use, but given it's cost my desire to use it has been mitigated.

I think you're making a lot of suppositions about people's powers, given how off-base you appear to be regarding mine.
It's not suppositions, it's creativity regarding the use of the "Make Your Own Power" power. You could certainly bring people back from the dead. You time travel!

Do you all understand that the GMs are very lenient and willing to listen to ideas about the "Make Your Own Power"?

[Mimic]

Ok, you are convincing me more and more that depending on you is not necessarily a good idea. As I was trying to encourage others to give you a few days to prove yourself, instead you are playing word games with me and now trying to stretch what you originally said 3 days to who knows how many.

My last several posts have all said we should give you tomorrow and you should have enough points by tomorrow night, yet you instead try to twist the argument around and play games. So I give up and you win.. I don't care, everyone can vote for Mimic after all, I have no desire to protect him especially when he is being difficult. I don't think I believe you any longer and I'll invent some other way to take care of Galacticus if you aren't going to.

I'm baffled here. How was I playing word games? I laid out the math.

[Mr.Fantastic]

I'm baffled here. How was I playing word games? I laid out the math.


You laid out the math for a completely different argument that had nothing to do with what I said.. but sure you laid out the math.

[GhostRider]

There could be somebody out there that even has, inherently, certain bring back from the dead powers. I would imagine somebody like Jean Grey can rise under the right circumstances, I would imagine there are others that might be able to rescue people from death under certain circumstances, etc. Plus, with the make your own power, there could be all kinds of things. I don't think we can write off the presence of powers, that's dangerous thinking Kang.

Now, after all that, do I trust Mimic. I don't know, but I guarded him last night and didn't receive any word of him doing anything odd nor was he or I attacked.

[hoopsguy]

Mod Question: Is a majority 50% or 50+1%? This makes a difference in terms of how easy or hard it would be to get a majority. Since if they just need 50%, it could suggest that there was only 1 bad prelate, as that would be only 2 more deaths needed. If it was 50+1 the idea of two bad prelates seems more likely.

50+1

[Aardwolf]

I have been regretfully detained by sleep induced after a long journey on flying machine. The Samurai and Quicksilver must be stopped. If we do not stop them now they will assist the rebellion in causing more deaths to our allies.

I am not yet caught up on the actions other than to see that Dr. Doom seems to believe he can simply take our allegiance by force. He is quite ignorant in his beliefs.

attack Samurai

[Mimic]

You laid out the math for a completely different argument that had nothing to do with what I said.. but sure you laid out the math.
I said this yesterday. Bolded part for you:
I believe it was general consensus that Magneto came out looking the best in the mission yesterday. If Quicksilver and the Torch had thoughts about it, why didn't they come forth yesterday?

I reiterate my claim that I can stop Galactus. I cannot stop him by myself and I cannot stop him for another three days (I need to conserve my energy). The toll will be great on me, but I will need another's assistance once I defeat Galactus.

It may be prudent to still attack Galactus since he may do something in the time it takes for me to "charge" up.

I will need the other Prelates' assistance, specifically Jean and Magneto...so I ask them again to join the Prelates of Apocalypse.
At no point have I ever said I could do it tomorrow.

[KangtheConqueror]

It's not suppositions, it's creativity regarding the use of the "Make Your Own Power" power. You could certainly bring people back from the dead. You time travel!

Do you all understand that the GMs are very lenient and willing to listen to ideas about the "Make Your Own Power"?

I understand that, but I've already made my own power and well, it isn't that.

[KangtheConqueror]

I have been regretfully detained by sleep induced after a long journey on flying machine. The Samurai and Quicksilver must be stopped. If we do not stop them now they will assist the rebellion in causing more deaths to our allies.

I am not yet caught up on the actions other than to see that Dr. Doom seems to believe he can simply take our allegiance by force. He is quite ignorant in his beliefs.

attack Samurai

Care to be a bit more specific there Mr "I come first in the alphabet"?

[Magneto]

I have been regretfully detained by sleep induced after a long journey on flying machine. The Samurai and Quicksilver must be stopped. If we do not stop them now they will assist the rebellion in causing more deaths to our allies.

I am not yet caught up on the actions other than to see that Dr. Doom seems to believe he can simply take our allegiance by force. He is quite ignorant in his beliefs.

attack Samurai

Both are bold statements that require explanation. What is the basis of your accusations against Silver Samurai and my son? And opposition to Lord Doom is support for the rebellion. Which side do you take?

[Mr.Fantastic]

I said this yesterday. Bolded part for you:

At no point have I ever said I could do it tomorrow.

Like I said, I'm done trying to convince people to not vote for you. I have absolutely no idea why you are making things up or arguing things that I'm not even saying when others are presenting cases against you. I have thoughts in my head that one of your accusers currently sees the writing on the wall, know you won't be able to deliver and are trying to get out in front of the train to accuse you.

I said multiple times today (three at least) that you should have enough points tommorrow evening. That we should give you tommorrow, you can rest and get your points back. You keep then arguing and presenting math on some other case that has nothing to do with what I said. So anyhows.. yes I fully realize you say you have 15 points now, you shouldn't likely have 20 points tommorrow morning.. I don't think I have once claimed you should otherwise after you listed how many points you have..

Still you continue to play word games instead and argue with the person who is actually saying to give you time.. .WHY is that I wonder?? You are just lucky that right now my logical nature is likely winning out and I will be attack elsewhere even though you sure as anything have pushed me beyond the point of making it really easy to want to attack you. Maybe you find me an easy target, I don't know!

[Mimic]

Ok, you are convincing me more and more that depending on you is not necessarily a good idea. As I was trying to encourage others to give you a few days to prove yourself, instead you are playing word games with me and now trying to stretch what you originally said 3 days to who knows how many.

My last several posts have all said we should give you tomorrow and you should have enough points by tomorrow night, yet you instead try to twist the argument around and play games. So I give up and you win.. I don't care, everyone can vote for Mimic after all, I have no desire to protect him especially when he is being difficult. I don't think I believe you any longer and I'll invent some other way to take care of Galacticus if you aren't going to.

I see what the problem here is. You believe I will have enough energy tomorrow night. This is incorrect as I have told you before.

Order of Night Actions:
1. Defense actions
2. Research actions
3. Attack actions
4. Energy/health regeneration
Tie-breakers on order - actions that cost less energy are processed before actions that cost more energy within the same category. In the event of a tie in order of operations and energy cost, the first action submitted will be processed first.
Night 4 I will have enough energy, but due to the sequence of actions I will not be able to attack Galactus. The GMs did say I could do it during the Day or Night cycle...my bad on forgetting to mention that part and that is probably what confused you.

[Aardwolf]

I am not so regretfully pulled away for the night to watch mere mortals do combat with a bat and a ball. I will be readily available (finally) tomorrow.

The tollowing is based upon not knowing the last 8 pages but time does not permit that final research and it would take a major twist to change mu suspicions.


Watch:
Samurai
QuickSilver
Collosus

[Mimic]

I said multiple times today (three at least) that you should have enough points tommorrow evening. That we should give you tommorrow, you can rest and get your points back. You keep then arguing and presenting math on some other case that has nothing to do with what I said. So anyhows.. yes I fully realize you say you have 15 points now, you shouldn't likely have 20 points tommorrow morning.. I don't think I have once claimed you should otherwise after you listed how many points you have..

Still you continue to play word games instead and argue with the person who is actually saying to give you time.. .WHY is that I wonder?? You are just lucky that right now my logical nature is likely winning out and I will be attack elsewhere even though you sure as anything have pushed me beyond the point of making it really easy to want to attack you. Maybe you find me an easy target, I don't know!

Ah, the reason why I "argue" with you is that I was afraid that if they give me until tomorrow, I will not be able to come through tomorrow evening...that is why I laid out my energy.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Just because Mimic has utterly frustrated me and made me wish I hadn't tried to get people to not vote for him.. this is how utterly silly he is being. Here he lists how many points he needs and how many he has.

I need 20 energy in order to do it and another player to boost me to a level to which I could absorb Galactus' power.

...

Hopefully the Scarlet Witch can boost my power as I have 15 energy at the moment and will reach 20 in two more days.


The following quotes show where I repeatedly said we should give Mimic tommorrow, let him sit around do nothing, collect points, whatever.. and where I repeatedly said he should have the points on the friday night action phase...


I still think since we surely are looking for more than one traitor, what is the harm in giving Mimic tommorrow to prove he is not just trying to sell us a bill of sale here. Many of the same concerns you bring up are ones I have already voiced (and as far as I know, I was the only one who voted for mimic yesterday and couldn't get anyone else to join me). If all will be proven before the weekend as he says, we have another decent candidate today to focus on anyways. It is not like we have to randomly choose as if this was day 1.

If you aren't exerting any energy elsewhere, shouldn't you get 20 by tommorrow night?

You said you have 15 now. you should get 3 tonight and 3 friday night correct? that would be more than 20 if we give you tommorrow. I have very little patience to let you string us out till Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.. by what you say you should have enough energy by tommorrow night.


I'll just let everyone else draw their own conclusions to why he is choosing to attack me instead for trying to be logical about this. My instinct now says he knows he won't be able to produce I guess. Either way I'm not voting for him today and likely won't tommorrow.. but I'm done supporting his cause and will be looking for other solutions to take care of Galacticus.

[Mimic]

As entertaining as this is, my alter ego calls...

[Aardwolf]

Both are bold statements that require explanation. What is the basis of your accusations against Silver Samurai and my son? And opposition to Lord Doom is support for the rebellion. Which side do you take?

Actions speak loudly against Samurai. Emma has already spotted this as well. For QuickSilver non-actions speak even louder. Hit and run attacks with no explanation and no basis for arguement throw up very large red flares.

I intend to find out more but those results may rely on how my powers can expand.

[SilverSurfer]

I'm certainly willing to cast my day's attack on Mimic. He claimed to be willing to sacrifice himself against Galaticus (which would obviously serve the traitor's goals as well). But would this have exposed him as a traitor?

I'll note you are eager to cast eyes on the former prelates, so long as it is not yourself. I would much rather attack you than Mimic tonight, however seeing that your actions to date have convinced Lord Doom that you are either expendable or untrustworthy by being ordered to guard duty is good enough. For now.

[Mr.Fantastic]

I see what the problem here is. You believe I will have enough energy tomorrow night. This is incorrect as I have told you before.



That is what I have been saying. You should have enough energy Friday night. I assumed if it was involving Galacticus then you would be able to prove it the next day phase during the mission or seperately.. and if you don't we can just attack you instead. I don't honestly care anymore though. I don't like people attempting to play word games especially when I feel I went out on a limb to try to support their cause even when I wasn't sure of the quality of your character.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Unfortunately I am being called away to my lab to do work for the evening. I likely won't be back until after the sunset tonight. As much as I would like to do otherwise, I'll still go with the logical argument I presented earlier on why I feel this is the best path:

Standard Attack Nightcrawler

[DrDoom]

There are still many who have not committed to the mission against Galactus. Late arrivals they may be, but Doom will be casting his eye on them if they choose not to aid the cause.

I will not call for Mimic's head, though I am wary of him. I will deal with him in my own way. Galactus too Doom can handle with time. I urge my minions to cast their attacks on a different suspect, and to concentrate their fire. Random targeted attacks will also bring Doom's gaze.

Nightcrawler, Silver Samurai. What others do we suspect?

[ProfessorX]

Is there no free will permitted in your world Victor?

[ProfessorX]

placeholder in case i don't get home in time

STANDARD ATTACK SPIDERMAN

[ProfessorX]

and that vote is due to the conversation earlier about spidey being absent and ineffective. i hope i will be around right before deadline to change it, but i wanted to get something out there

[DrDoom]

No, Charles. The firm command of one is superior to the chaotic chatter of many. The people of earth will prosper when they can rely on the benevolence and strength of Doom. Free will is what has brought us traitors.

[KangtheConqueror]

There are still many who have not committed to the mission against Galactus. Late arrivals they may be, but Doom will be casting his eye on them if they choose not to aid the cause.

I will not call for Mimic's head, though I am wary of him. I will deal with him in my own way. Galactus too Doom can handle with time. I urge my minions to cast their attacks on a different suspect, and to concentrate their fire. Random targeted attacks will also bring Doom's gaze.

Nightcrawler, Silver Samurai. What others do we suspect?

I'm leaning towards Colossus myself

[Cable]

There are still many who have not committed to the mission against Galactus. Late arrivals they may be, but Doom will be casting his eye on them if they choose not to aid the cause.

I will not call for Mimic's head, though I am wary of him. I will deal with him in my own way. Galactus too Doom can handle with time. I urge my minions to cast their attacks on a different suspect, and to concentrate their fire. Random targeted attacks will also bring Doom's gaze.

Nightcrawler, Silver Samurai. What others do we suspect?

You're the boss.

CANCEL STANDARD ATTACK ON MIMIC
ISSUE STANDARD ATTACK ON NIGHTCRAWLER

[KangtheConqueror]

In fact, since I have to leave soon

Standard Attack on Colossus

[DrDoom]

Indeed, Colossus has been shown to be deceitful and evasive, nearly killing one he may have thought a peaceful citizen. Nightcrawler we have reason to suspect is host to some dark power, if not a Skrull. Silver Samurai has shown little regard for authority, but would seem to be cleared by Colossus in the attack on the Human Torch.

Bring me more evidence, servants of Doom. One must die tonight.

[IronFist]

JOIN MISSION AGAINST GALACTUS

[JeanGrey]

I'm certainly willing to cast my day's attack on Mimic. He claimed to be willing to sacrifice himself against Galaticus (which would obviously serve the traitor's goals as well). But would this have exposed him as a traitor?

I want to highlight this post. I revealed Mimic's plan, in outline form, before him. Judge that how you may.

[ProfessorX]

i'm not a rebel but i still find the compulsion to destoy doom to be very powerful, just because he's such an annoying PITA. just give him some bonus points for RP already so he shuts up please?