Werewolf XCVII - Labyrinth II (GAME OVER - COMMONERS WIN!)

[DaddyTorgo]

I don't know why we would want to kill villagers sooner. Who knws what tricks are in this labyrinth? The person that the brutal takes tonight might be a move away from some teleport straight to the center.

Think of villager-days as a unit, being every day a villager is alive is a villager-day unit to benefit the village. By killing the brutal today, you're essentially saying we should go with X villager-day units instead of X villager-day units +1.

It doesn't make a big difference, sure. How likely is that one day to produce something tangible for the village? Not likely. But why pick the option that removes any value from it right away? At least if we go the other route (nfg/Tyrith), a question is being answered and we might also get something of value from that villager who will eventually be killed by the brutal.

We kill the brutal today, we don't get anything more of value from that villager, and the nfg/Trytih thing will still need another day to figure out.

we have no way of knowing how close the person the brutal picks will be to the center either today or the next day. you have to remove that from the equation, because it's entirely random.

you take out the brutal today so that you don't lose by leaving them till last if a bunch of us suddenly find "death rooms"

[Passacaglia]

How did that happen now? I don't get it. Oh, I guess it had to do with that decision Danny was talking about. I guess now we'll see what happened with RendeR and that little girl.

[nfg22]

By the way I know that sounds emotional and WOLFY but I see CR's logic and it only becomes more apparent now. Sure if we kill teh brutalwe lose a villager, whether that is today or tommorow but what if the villager that the brutal takes with him only needs one more turn to center? Then we let him get killed a turn early.

[nfg22]

How did that happen now? I don't get it. Oh, I guess it had to do with that decision Danny was talking about. I guess now we'll see what happened with RendeR and that little girl.

I really hope she isnt DEATH girl. That would be horrible. Also, would you stop acting like you care about us, you want us dead. Your probably smiling inside.

[nfg22]

GRR...Im torn between DT and CR...your right that it is random who is closest but also if we wait till the last for JAG we might get to center.

[The Jackal]

haha DEATH girl, classic

[lerriuqs]

By the way I know that sounds emotional and WOLFY but I see CR's logic and it only becomes more apparent now. Sure if we kill teh brutalwe lose a villager, whether that is today or tommorow but what if the villager that the brutal takes with him only needs one more turn to center? Then we let him get killed a turn early.

And what if they're not and by waiting a day to kill the brutal, they do get there. The argument is the same regardless of when you kill the brutal. There's always the chance that they pick off the one closest. There's no less of a chance tomorrow than there is today.

[nfg22]

I am funny arent I? Wait a second...you created the death room. Jerk.

[Passacaglia]

I really hope she isnt DEATH girl. That would be horrible. Also, would you stop acting like you care about us, you want us dead. Your probably smiling inside.

I don't know how many times I have to say that I -- if the wolves win, I lose. It's pretty much said right in the rules. I don't know how I can be any more villager-friendly than that. Why are you trying to divert attention toward me in all this?

[nfg22]

And what if they're not and by waiting a day to kill the brutal, they do get there. The argument is the same regardless of when you kill the brutal. There's always the chance that they pick off the one closest. There's no less of a chance tomorrow than there is today.

You would be right...Im not concerned with the closest getting picked off. I understand that could happen. But if the closest could have gotten there after one more turn and he died because we killed the brutal, then that hurts our chances.

[nfg22]

I don't know how many times I have to say that I -- if the wolves win, I lose. It's pretty much said right in the rules. I don't know how I can be any more villager-friendly than that. Why are you trying to divert attention toward me in all this?

Dont act like im diverting attention towards you.Yes you lose if the wolves win but you also only win if we all die. Your not on our team, you might have the same enemies but you have very contradictory goals.

[lerriuqs]

You would be right...Im not concerned with the closest getting picked off. I understand that could happen. But if the closest could have gotten there after one more turn and he died because we killed the brutal, then that hurts our chances.

As I said, the same argument exists regardless of when we kill the Brutal. It shouldn't be a consideration IMO.

[Passacaglia]

As I said, the same argument exists regardless of when we kill the Brutal. It shouldn't be a consideration IMO.

Generally, if the brutal is the last wolf, he doesn't kill anybody. But that's because usually the game is just over at that point -- it might be different in this game, but it might not.

[lerriuqs]

The basic concept of this game is simple - you'll all start on the edge of a Labyrinth, and your goal is to get to the middle. No one knows the layout of the Labyrinth to begin with - no commoner, no wolves, not the minotaur. There will be traps, items, and other things hidden around. The wolves win if they achieve an even ratio with the commoners. The commoners gain a minor victory if they kill all the wolves, but one commoner must reach the center for the game to be over. If at any point a commoner reaches the center, the game ends.

A different twist this time - the wolves did not build this Labyrinth, the Jester did, and as such he brought them here just like everyone else. They will also be trying to find the center - and if a wolf is the first player to reach the center, the game will end in a win for them as well - however, they do not need to find the center to win.
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The game won't end when the wolves are dead.

[lerriuqs]

Jackal - what happens when there is only one wolf left? Can they kill even if they did the night before?

[Passacaglia]

The game won't end when the wolves are dead.

You think *I* don't know that? I'm just saying that I don't know if that definitely means the brutal will get his kill if he's the last wolf to die.

[nfg22]

Of course you know that...

[The Jackal]

Jackal - what happens when there is only one wolf left? Can they kill even if they did the night before?

Yes. If there is one wolf left he does the kill every night.

[nfg22]

Im out for the night you guys have fun and I hope my boisterious comments and frequent emotional outbursts will not be miscontstrued as Wolf. Where has tyrith been? Maybe RL maybe being quiet to win the game. Give me a chance, you wont regret it.

[The Jackal]

I'm just waiting to find out what RendeR wants to do with DEATH girl.

[The Jackal]

And I hope he reads the thread, so that he knows that's not her real name. ;)

[Passacaglia]

I'm just waiting to find out what RendeR wants to do with DEATH girl.

He told us about it but didn't decide? What a crock.

[The Jackal]

He told us about it but didn't decide? What a crock.

Many of the encounters in this Labyrinth have a string of multiple choies.

[RendeR]

I made one choice and just now a SECOND choice...that little turd best stay in FRONT of me.....

[RendeR]

Interesting...not sure how much jackal allows to be told from PM's but the lil girl is leading me somewhere.

[Passacaglia]

Pretty weird. Do you have to keep following her at every turn, or are you just following her wherever she goes now?

[RendeR]

Pretty weird. Do you have to keep following her at every turn, or are you just following her wherever she goes now?


She wanted my help retrieving her dolly, I said I would help if she could lead me to it, she took my hand and will lead me as far as she can.

[Passacaglia]

She wanted my help retrieving her dolly, I said I would help if she could lead me to it, she took my hand and will lead me as far as she can.

Oh okay -- so does that mean you can't decide where you're going in each phase or something?

[RendeR]

It means I'm following a little girl and hoping she doesn't EAT ME on teh way to wherever we're going =)

[Passacaglia]

It means I'm following a little girl and hoping she doesn't EAT ME on teh way to wherever we're going =)

hahaha -- well I guess it will be interesting to see what The Jackal says when he gets back!

[The Jackal]

hahaha -- well I guess it will be interesting to see what The Jackal says when he gets back!

... chumbawumba?

[Passacaglia]

... chumbawumba?

Look, just tell RendeR he was eaten by the death girl so we can all move on!

[Danny]

When I died, the fun factor plummeted.

[Passacaglia]

When I died, the fun factor plummeted.

Yeah -- that happens to me when I die, too.

[Danny]

Yeah -- that happens to me when I die, too.

But when I die it plummets for everyone :D

[Passacaglia]

But when I die it plummets for everyone :D

Everyone except the wolves, I guess.

[hoopsguy]

I miss Danny already, even if we never were able to establish a telepathic bond.

VOTE JAG

[DaddyTorgo]

shit like this dead girl and the death room is why we need to kill the brutal now though, while we still have the numerical advantage

[Chief Rum]

shit like this dead girl and the death room is why we need to kill the brutal now though, while we still have the numerical advantage

lol...you really think we're going to lose the numerical advantage? Now that's paranoid!

[nfg22]

lol...you really think we're going to lose the numerical advantage? Now that's paranoid!

Well if we lose one more in a death room/death girl/ death doll, then that leaves us with three after one NK, one brutal kill, one failed lynch on me allowing a NK...Three versus one minotaur?

[Chief Rum]

Well if we lose one more in a death room/death girl/ death doll, then that leaves us with three after one NK, one brutal kill, one failed lynch on me allowing a NK...Three versus one minotaur?

That's like three days away (five with the weekend), assumes a death or two that can't be assumed, and after all that, you still have three for one.

Really, it's going to take a phenomenal effort on the part of the villagers to fail to win this.

[nfg22]

That's like three days away (five with the weekend), assumes a death or two that can't be assumed, and after all that, you still have three for one.

Really, it's going to take a phenomenal effort on the part of the villagers to fail to win this.

Actually thats only two turns...and one has to assume Pass is near the middle...killing one of our guys drops us to two...are you prepared to forge ahead with that?

[nfg22]

dola, Im not assuming any deaths...1st. The brutal will kill two...one on the night we kill JAG and one when he dies. Then it is obvious I am next to be lynched, and that will kill another villager, but im not in the count. So that night one more will die from Tyrith. Pass will likely kill one. That brings us to two.

[Chief Rum]

We have 7 villagers, 2 neutral roles and 2 wolves.

We kill a brutal wolf, he takes a villager and a villager is NK'd.

That's 5-2-1.

We either lynch a wolf or a neutral role. Villager is NK'd. We'll take worst case scenario here.

That's 4-1-1.

We lynch the wolf we missed out on. No more wolves.

4-1-0.

You can switch the first and the second, and it's the same result. You still get four villagers versus Passacaglia.

And that assumes Render doesn't block an attack.

[Chief Rum]

The brutal will kill two...one on the night we kill JAG and one when he dies.

Not sure, BTW, if you're just misunderstanding the brutal role, but when the brutal wolf is lynched, he doesn't survive the lynch while a villager dies. He dies like normal, and he takes a villager with him. Only one villager dies when the brutal dies, and they both die right away. The day result as a whole is one wolf (the brutal) and two villagers (one killed with the brutal, and one NK'd by the remaining wolf).

[nfg22]

You are right...but my money says Pass kills one of us....leaving three...thats counting no more mishaps...I guess your right though it doesnt matter what order we do it in.

[The Jackal]

And welcome to the second worst day of my life. Is it too much to ask that a bar doesn't lose your credit card? Don't expect to hear from me this weekend.

[hoopsguy]

NFG, the fact that you are obsessing over the villager numbers here seems strange to me. We have an overwhelming advantage against the wolves at this point. We have a clear pattern for how to eliminate the remaining wolves.

We cannot control the person that the brutal wolf eliminates. We cannot control what Pass/Minotaur does. We cannot necessarily control what a certain room of the Labyrinth may do. Given that we cannot control them, what does it gain us to obsess over what they may or may not do?

The way I see it, we eliminate wolves every day until they are gone. We continue moving towards the center until someone wins the game.

[Barkeep49]

I agree that we pretty much play this thing out as best we can.

[Barkeep49]

And by that I mean let's kill the damn wolves. I believe we know with 100% who one of the wolves is, while we are at a lower, though still high %, who the other wolf is. I like 100%.

[Tyrith]

Personally, I think this is half dozen of one, 6 of the other - the wolves will be dead after D5 anyway, brutal doesn't matter one bit at this point.

[nfg22]

I said I agreed with CR. My math was off. Also its easy to obsess about something when no one is posting...I was just fleshing out an issue and CR helped me. I say we go after JAG, then you guys can choose between me and Tyrith.

[RendeR]

So...where are we at with this vote thing?

[Chief Rum]

Good point. I haven't voted yet.

VOTE NFG2

[DaddyTorgo]

vote jag!!!!

[Danny]

Vote Death Room

[RendeR]

Death room wins in a landslide....

[lerriuqs]

So...where are we at with this vote thing?

Going through right now...

[lerriuqs]

JAG 4 - dubb (950), DT (977), lerriuqs (991), hoops (1037)
tyrith 1 - nfg (1000)
nfg 1 - CR (1054)

Yet to vote - RendeR, JAG, tyrith, Pass, ntndeacon, barkeep

[RendeR]

Vote Jag


Lets get this wolf nailed.

[Tyrith]

I voted for NFG at 911. Voting is allowed lynch deadline to lynch deadline in this game - the vote was put in Thursday night.

[ntndeacon]

vote JAG

[lerriuqs]

Updated and corrected...
JAG 6 - barkeep (914), dubb (950), DT (977), lerriuqs (991), hoops (1037), RendeR (1060)
tyrith 2 - Tyrith (911), nfg (1000)
nfg 1 - CR (1054)

Yet to vote - JAG, Pass, ntndeacon

[lerriuqs]

JAG 7 - barkeep (914), dubb (950), DT (977), lerriuqs (991), hoops (1037), RendeR (1060), ntndeacon, (1062)
tyrith 2 - Tyrith (911), nfg (1000)
nfg 1 - CR (1054)

Yet to vote - JAG, Pass

[lerriuqs]

I voted for NFG at 911. Voting is allowed lynch deadline to lynch deadline in this game - the vote was put in Thursday night.

Yeah, I thought I'd gone far enough back...guess not.

[Tyrith]

I voted for nfg, not myself ;)

[The Jackal]

Maybe I should work up a vote count.

[The Jackal]

JAG 6 (dubb 950, DT 977, lerriuqs 991, hoops 1037, RendeR 1060, ntn 1062)
nfg 2 (Tyrith 911, CR 1054)
Tyrith 1 (nfg 1000)

[DaddyTorgo]

what about barkeep's jag vote at 914?

[DaddyTorgo]

Vote JAG

I voted for him yesterday. I vote for him today.

quoted

[nfg22]

Just because I would rather get JAG today so we get a wolf...and then go after me/tyrith tommorow.

UNVOTE TYRITH
VOTE JAG

[The Jackal]

JAG 8 (BK 914, dubb 950, DT 977, lerriuqs 991, hoops 1037, RendeR 1060, ntn 1062, nfg 1071)
nfg 2 (Tyrith 911, CR 1054)

[The Jackal]

There is no prize for guessing who is targeted today, as JAG wins in a landslide.

The Jester slides over to JAG, shakes his hand, thanks him for participating, then slides a shiv right into his heart.

As JAG is dying, a ball of fire shoots from his chest and vaults away from The Jester.

In glee the Jester follows it, as does your view.

The fireball comes to a stop at the person of Chief Rum, and incinerates him.

JAG was the Ancient of Fire!

Chief Rum was the FBI Agent!

[nfg22]

Well I suppose I will lose the vote as no scan will be put on me...but I have no fear the villagers shall win anyway..

[nfg22]

Anyways in this case I shall make the vote of...

Vote Tyrith

[The Jackal]

All moves should be out.

[Tyrith]

VOTE NFG

[hoopsguy]

Tyrith or NFG - do either of you have anything further that you can offer about your role? Perhaps choices that you have made along the way? Interactions with other players?

[RendeR]

Vote BOth

[Tyrith]

I haven't run into anyone for several days. The only person I did was Martin on D2. Pfft. Although I did enter a spiffy blue portal tonight.

[RendeR]

Theres more than enough of us to detain them both and string the little fuckers up.


Loki, Ancient, FUCKEM, klillem both I say.

[The Jackal]

Vote BOth

This is, of course, an illegal vote.

[Barkeep49]

This is, of course, an illegal vote.
Clearly. I mean I don't even think there is someone on the board named BOth. So how could BOth get votes?

[The Jackal]

Clearly. I mean I don't even think there is someone on the board named BOth. So how could BOth get votes?

Easily. The Jester is omnipotent.

[Barkeep49]

vote nfg since he seems more resigned to his fate.

[nfg22]

Tyrith or NFG - do either of you have anything further that you can offer about your role? Perhaps choices that you have made along the way? Interactions with other players?

This will sound bad but it is the truth. I have been given two choices. The first, whether to pick up an item. I did pick it up. The second. What to become. I chose. The description says a series of choices but it wasnt. It was one lone choice. It makes me look like a liar but the description and the reality are two different things.

[nfg22]

vote nfg since he seems more resigned to his fate.

I also do seem resigned to my fate.I have a reason to be ok with dying. I also know that the minds are basically made up, even though I have been consistent. The fact is my order of reveal as well as the description being different from what happened have made it so people distrust me. I could also add my emotional responses which is just how I play. I like to get involved, it makes it fun for me. Im ok with being lynched and I dont see any other way at the moment.

[lerriuqs]

All moves should be out.
I didn't get one.

[dubb93]

Vote nfg22

[lerriuqs]

I dunno who to believe...But for now.

Vote Tyrith

[Passacaglia]

Theres more than enough of us to detain them both and string the little fuckers up.


Loki, Ancient, FUCKEM, klillem both I say.

I think this is a nuanced point that probably should not be dropped. We don't know that Loki and ntn are on our side -- they have win conditions that are not necessarily mutually exclusive from yours (for once I'll stop pretending that I'm one of you), but they might be. Once you guys nail the last wolf, that's all the lynches you get. With the game in hand, almost all the roles known, and only one wolf left, I think it's time to start looking at the neutral players. I think ntn is the way to go here on the off chance that Tyrith is the last wolf.

VOTE NTNDEACON

[Passacaglia]

The Jackal -- Can you confirm that once all the wolves are dead, there will be no more lynches?

[DaddyTorgo]

I also do seem resigned to my fate.I have a reason to be ok with dying. I also know that the minds are basically made up, even though I have been consistent. The fact is my order of reveal as well as the description being different from what happened have made it so people distrust me. I could also add my emotional responses which is just how I play. I like to get involved, it makes it fun for me. Im ok with being lynched and I dont see any other way at the moment.

If that's the case, we'll take it up with Jackal after the game.

[The Jackal]

The Jackal -- Can you confirm that once all the wolves are dead, there will be no more lynches?

As soon as all non-commoner aligned roles are removed (except the Minotaur, who cannot be lynched), lynches will cease. In other words, you'll find out if/when you lynch all the wolves.

[Passacaglia]

As soon as all non-commoner aligned roles are removed (except the Minotaur, who cannot be lynched), lynches will cease. In other words, you'll find out if/when you lynch all the wolves.

How much light can you shed on the neutral characters for us? Are they by definition "non-commoner aligned" because they're not listed as good, or is it case-by-case depending on the nature of the win condition for that character and whether or not their win condition is similar to the commoners, or something else completely? I'm not sure if that makes sense given that I don't know anything about those other neutral characters, so answer however you feel like, I guess!

[The Jackal]

The Minotaur is by definition non-commoner aligned, the other two had choices to make. That's really all I'm going to say.

[The Jackal]

No one has a major win condition that entails anything besides getting to the center or preventing people from getting to the center.

[Passacaglia]

Okay. So it sounds like we don't get to know. On the other hand, it sounds like when they make those choices, they'll become "aligned" with the commoners or not, such that if they aren't, we'll still be able to lynch them after the wolves, and if they are, we won't be able to, but won't want to. Does everyone else get the same read on that as I do?


UNVOTE NTNDEACON

[Passacaglia]

FTR, my hunch is that both ntn and Loki chose to align themselves with the commoners, especially if they were able to wait a few days before making their choice -- the writing was on the wall pretty quickly. And it sounds like we don't risk much by waiting until after we get the last wolf, anyway.

[hoopsguy]

Pass, I'm getting that same read from the recent moderator posts.

So, may as well pick a wolf. 50/50? Not sure about that. I think Tyrith would have taken the opportunity to defend his position as a villager. As a wolf, I think he tries to stay out of the way and let NFG hang himself ... the strategy that he appears to be executing at the moment.

VOTE TYRITH

[lerriuqs]

Okay. So it sounds like we don't get to know. On the other hand, it sounds like when they make those choices, they'll become "aligned" with the commoners or not, such that if they aren't, we'll still be able to lynch them after the wolves, and if they are, we won't be able to, but won't want to. Does everyone else get the same read on that as I do?

Yup

[Passacaglia]

Yay, people are here!

[Passacaglia]

Pass, I'm getting that same read from the recent moderator posts.

So, may as well pick a wolf. 50/50? Not sure about that. I think Tyrith would have taken the opportunity to defend his position as a villager. As a wolf, I think he tries to stay out of the way and let NFG hang himself ... the strategy that he appears to be executing at the moment.

VOTE TYRITH

Maybe you have a better read on Tyrith in general than I do, but considering how vocally people have been against nfg, why would Tyrith feel the need to even bother saying anything more?

[hoopsguy]

Well, there is generally motivation to make sure you aren't lynched. I don't perceive Tyrith as a "least effort required" villager when he plays.

[lerriuqs]

Pass, I'm getting that same read from the recent moderator posts.

So, may as well pick a wolf. 50/50? Not sure about that. I think Tyrith would have taken the opportunity to defend his position as a villager. As a wolf, I think he tries to stay out of the way and let NFG hang himself ... the strategy that he appears to be executing at the moment.

VOTE TYRITH

I think that's the read I'm getting as well...Tyrith has stayed away from that discussion entirely apart from his initial reveal...

[Passacaglia]

WI don't perceive Tyrith as a "least effort required" villager when he plays.

I guess that's what I was getting at with your read of him in general being better than mine. I'd say that I probably fit that "least effort required" mode, so I was looking at it from that perspective. It's food for thought, and I guess I'd be interested to hear what Tyrith says about it, cuz it's not like I'm 100% sold on nfg -- I have my suspicions of him, but I've basically been trying to table thinking about it until I had to. But this is something that can get discussion going, which I think is a good thing.

[DaddyTorgo]

wtf - when did it become 11:30 and i've done one of the things on my list of things to do today?

[DaddyTorgo]

we're not tied-up, are we?

[The Jackal]

Tyrith 3 (nfg 1075, lerriuqs 1090, hoops 1100)
nfg 3 (Tyrith 1077, BK 1085, dubb 1089)

[Passacaglia]

There's still plenty of time, though -- the day hasn't even actually started yet!

[DaddyTorgo]

ohhh - dat's right. here i was worried 12pm was the lynching deadline

[The Jackal]

Another night, another dead body. The image of hoopsguy's dismembered body flashes before all of your eyes as you trudge forwards.

hoopsguy was a Telepath!

[Danny]

Now Hoops and I can communicate with each other finally.

[Tyrith]

There's been discussion in this game? Besides the wolves just getting punched in the face? It's day 5 and we have 1100 posts - I'm not the only one.

[Passacaglia]

There's been discussion in this game? Besides the wolves just getting punched in the face? It's day 5 and we have 1100 posts - I'm not the only one.

Hmm. I guess there hasn't. Anyway Tyrith, the vote's tied, so however we look at it, you're definitely in enough trouble that we all could use some more convincing from you. Does that change your argument style any for today?

[Passacaglia]

Oh wait -- with hoops dead, the vote is 3 for nfg, 2 for Tyrith.

[nfg22]

Well I wont be on at deadline...so ill post now if anyone has questions...

[Passacaglia]

Well I wont be on at deadline...so ill post now if anyone has questions...

I'll get things started, I guess. If you were a villager, and not part of this duo, what would you think of Tyrith's story?

[Tyrith]

Hmm. I guess there hasn't. Anyway Tyrith, the vote's tied, so however we look at it, you're definitely in enough trouble that we all could use some more convincing from you. Does that change your argument style any for today?

Last night I ran smack into a corner. It's still been several days since I've seen anyone, which makes me think I'm way the heck far away from the center. Blah.

[nfg22]

I'll get things started, I guess. If you were a villager, and not part of this duo, what would you think of Tyrith's story?

There isnt much story. He didnt say any of the decisions he had to make...just that he had little decisions. His story was inconsistent, Im not gunna go through posts cause I have to got to work soon. He said he had chosen as a villager and then one of his rare posts later said he still was making choices, alluding that he was still choosing. At least that is how I saw it. Then again if I were him I wouldnt post much because no one is asking questions.


Also I love how I get pegged as a wolf just for posting alot. No one, NOT ONE, has brought a case against me. The only things are my second reveal and the inconsitency with the description, about which I could have done nothing about either. He revealed before I did because I didnt want to reveal, I was not a villager yet. I turned villager after that. It was a smart reveal on his part but that does not make it real.

[Passacaglia]

That's interesting. Tyrith, can you explain any more about these little decisions?

[nfg22]

Also...I made two choices, if that can be considered a a series then The Jackal didnt have a inconsitency. Just the first I dont think had much to do with my second choice.

[nfg22]

Also...how many decisions could really be out there by night two.

[nfg22]

I use also too much.

[DaddyTorgo]

hmm - interesting. well my vote is still outstanding.

[Passacaglia]

hmm - interesting. well my vote is still outstanding.

Uh, you haven't even voted yet, so I don't think you can go around telling us how good your vote is!

[nfg22]

Also...Tyrith obviously killed hoops guy cause he was voting for him.

[nfg22]

grrr...also again.

[nfg22]

Well im basically out for the day...see ya guys...hope ya vote right.

[Barkeep49]

Also...Tyrith obviously killed hoops guy cause he was voting for him.
There is some logic here. Why kill hoops?

[Passacaglia]

That does seem curious. Hey Render, whatever happened with you and death girl?

[RendeR]

There is some logic here. Why kill hoops?


Assuming simple lack of protection and eliminating someone who can PM with others.

[RendeR]

Death girl is still leading me around the labyrinth

[RendeR]

I have friends coming over for gaming and laundry to do late tonight, I doubt I'll be around much after the next half hour, who should I vote off?

I'm thinking Tyrith ...his lack of input is just bothering me to no end.

[lerriuqs]

I have friends coming over for gaming and laundry to do late tonight, I doubt I'll be around much after the next half hour, who should I vote off?

I'm thinking Tyrith ...his lack of input is just bothering me to no end.

The longer this day goes with Tyrith not saying anything, the more comfortable I am with my vote being on him.

[Tyrith]

What am I supposed to say? I've been wandering around a maze, not getting to help anyone. Has anyone left in the game run into me? This game had a very simple strategy, which we pulled off, and this is the end phase - take your coin flip, but don't try to pass it off on me not spewing pointless blabber about what has been a very simple game.

And to be quite frank, I've gotten pretty unlucky and thus don't have anything to tell you about my role. Have any of you seen me? Not so much.

[Tyrith]

BTW, some of us still do have things to do other than sitting in a slow posting WW game and coming up with nonsense to say. Especially when my vote has been pretty clear for three days now.

[Tyrith]

And why on earth would I kill the guy gunning at me? Isn't that a flashing neon sign? I'd much rather have him out here where I could at least keep what he said in the open - instead the thing everyone is going to think about is the fact that he's dead. It's a heck of a lot easier to get a point across with a corpse than with trying to fight it out.

Heck, the fact that hoops is dead has gotten me into the precise situation everyone is on my case about - the fact that there's even less to talk about. Anyway, I'm done now, do whatever you want, this game is over for the wolves tomorrow even if you screw up and kill me.

[RendeR]

BTW, some of us still do have things to do other than sitting in a slow posting WW game and coming up with nonsense to say. Especially when my vote has been pretty clear for three days now.

This one isn't relevant, even busy people post more than you have in this one man =)

[Tyrith]

The longer this day goes with Tyrith not saying anything, the more comfortable I am with my vote being on him.

Render, this is precisely what I was referring to. I'm not going to sit here and slave over a game where there just isn't that much happening. I was gone for several hours, people need to deal with it.

[lerriuqs]

Whenever I run into someone in the maze, it'll be up to me as to what I do for them, or to them. It'd really be quite clever in a game where one side isn't so clearly pinned. Sadness.

So did you do something for or against me??

[lerriuqs]

That's interesting. So have you run into anyone yet? And once you do, does your first action toward them determine your side?

You never answered this question as far as I can tell.

[lerriuqs]

Render, this is precisely what I was referring to. I'm not going to sit here and slave over a game where there just isn't that much happening. I was gone for several hours, people need to deal with it.

Whatever. My comment was based on the following - we know one of you Loki and one is the wolf. nfg has borne the brunt of the suspicion for the last few days and you've hardly commented on this dynamic. nfg has been trying to defend himself and you've hovered below the radar - whether it's because of what you say or because you're simply trying to let nfg hang himself and live another day is unclear at this point.

[lerriuqs]

So did you do something for or against me??
For the record, I encountered Tyrith on Night 1. Nothing happened, good or bad, as far as I can tell.

[Tyrith]

For the record, I encountered Tyrith on Night 1. Nothing happened, good or bad, as far as I can tell.

Ah, yeah, it was you instead of Martin. To be frank, I was kind of assuming I'd have more chances to do stuff and didn't want to commit on night 1. Then the game totally went to garbage over the next day and now I really wish I had made up my mind instead of waffling.

[Tyrith]

Whatever. My comment was based on the following - we know one of you Loki and one is the wolf. nfg has borne the brunt of the suspicion for the last few days and you've hardly commented on this dynamic. nfg has been trying to defend himself and you've hovered below the radar - whether it's because of what you say or because you're simply trying to let nfg hang himself and live another day is unclear at this point.

My comment on this dynamic is that he's a wolf, I'm not, and I've been voting for him for three days. What else am I supposed to say?

[lerriuqs]

Ah, yeah, it was you instead of Martin. To be frank, I was kind of assuming I'd have more chances to do stuff and didn't want to commit on night 1. Then the game totally went to garbage over the next day and now I really wish I had made up my mind instead of waffling.

So what was your choice? I'd like to hear what the choices for nfg were as well...

[Tyrith]

So what was your choice? I'd like to hear what the choices for nfg were as well...

Setting a snare that would stall him for a move after his next move, or casting a spell to give him an extra move.

[DaddyTorgo]

hmmm

[DaddyTorgo]

vote count anyone?

[DaddyTorgo]

Tyrith 3 (nfg 1075, lerriuqs 1090, hoops 1100)
nfg 3 (Tyrith 1077, BK 1085, dubb 1089)

near as i can tell

[The Jackal]

nfg 3 (Tyrith 1077, BK 1085, dubb 1089)
Tyrith 2 (nfg 1075, lerriuqs 1090)

[The Jackal]

Hoops' vote doesn't count.

[DaddyTorgo]

good point - is there anyone left to vote besides me?

[The Jackal]

good point - is there anyone left to vote besides me?

Pass, ntn, RendeR, DT yet to vote.

[DaddyTorgo]

thanks jackal

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE NFG

still around and willing to change my vote, just want to get something down

[Danny]

Wow, 3 no votes. Come on guys, you can at least put a vote in :)

[The Jackal]

Results soon.

[DaddyTorgo]

yeah - that's weird

i can see ntn and pass declining to vote based on being neutral...but idk what's up with render...

[The Jackal]

nfg 4 (Tyrith 1077, BK 1085, dubb 1089, DT 1157)
Tyrith 2 (nfg 1075, lerriuqs 1090)

[The Jackal]

The Jester surveys the results and laughs.

"You.. you can't lynch a mini-minotaur, either, fools!"

nfg is Loki and has sided with the Minotaur!

[DaddyTorgo]

hmmmph

sided with the minotaur? so now there's two of you fuckers we can't lynch?

*sighs*

VOTE TYRITH

[The Jackal]

All received moves are out.

[Tyrith]

ROFL, that was a nice turn of events. Nicely played nfg, very nicely played. I was hoping you weren't as naive as you originally came off, and you proved me right.

[ntndeacon]

Vote Tyrith

[Tyrith]

So, which one of you wants to die?

[The Jackal]

So, which one of you wants to die?

"Games, I approve!"

[DaddyTorgo]

me!

[lerriuqs]

Vote Tyrith

[RendeR]

"Games, I approve!"


Suck my mini minataur.

[Passacaglia]

Oh damn, I guess nfg wasn't evil after all! :p Sorry I wasn't able to vote -- had to reinstall windows. Fun.

[nfg22]

ROFL, that was a nice turn of events. Nicely played nfg, very nicely played. I was hoping you weren't as naive as you originally came off, and you proved me right.

Yes. It was funny when people called me out on it, being naive. I was trying to look like a wolf but still be able to keep the vote close. I didnt know how Jester would write it, so I still had to keep options open that I could be a villager and escaped the lynch. You played well also. Did exactly what I would have. Be quiet and let me kill myself.

[nfg22]

In this case....

VOTE RENDER

Just because I need to kill villagers.

[lerriuqs]

So we need Barkeep and RendeR to vote and that will guarantee the last wolf being lynched correct? Then we just need to find the centre.

[lerriuqs]

So we need Barkeep and RendeR to vote and that will guarantee the last wolf being lynched correct? Then we just need to find the centre.

And/or Dubb - two out of three and he's dust.

[nfg22]

Also everything that I explained about myself was true. Except the part about being a villager. As far as the choice was, I was asked to choose between the three and I did. It actually worked out for me to be fishy.

[nfg22]

Tyrith if you kill one of the voters we can hope they dont get all the votes they need.

[dubb93]

And/or Dubb - two out of three and he's dust.

I don't miss votes.

Vote Tyrith

[Tyrith]

VOTE RENDER

[Tyrith]

Also everything that I explained about myself was true. Except the part about being a villager. As far as the choice was, I was asked to choose between the three and I did. It actually worked out for me to be fishy.

It's true. And I was over here having to come up with more and more complicated BS to cover for the fact that I am rather a wolf with, as it turns out, a really crappy role. Although I did get to find out that Pass is the minotaur on night 1, right after he told us :P

[Passacaglia]

What? I didn't tell you guys anything Night 1. At least, not that I remember...

[Passacaglia]

Oh, you probably mean right before. So you found out I was the Minotaur cuz I was closest to the center, then I revealed Day 2. Funny.

[Tyrith]

Oh, you probably mean right before. So you found out I was the Minotaur cuz I was closest to the center, then I revealed Day 2. Funny.

No, I'm Ancient of Wind, I find out people's roles. I chose you Night 1. Lathum was Earth.

[Passacaglia]

Oh, heh. Well, given how all the reveals went down, yeah, that doesn't seem like much of a power.

[Passacaglia]

So does anyone feel like they're near the center? I found Danny's death room, and he was pretty close.

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE TYRITH
VOTE TYRITH
VOTE TYRITH
VOTE TYRITH
VOTE TYRITH
VOTE TYRITH
VOTE TYRITH
VOTE TYRITH
VOTE TYRITH
VOTE TYRITH
VOTE TYRITH

[DaddyTorgo]

So does anyone feel like they're near the center? I found Danny's death room, and he was pretty close.

If my suspiscion is right then yeah...I think I'm like 2 moves away

[DaddyTorgo]

I've already isolated all the exits to the room i'm in except for one (and the one i came from)...I think it's likely to be it. Or at least be the room before the center.

[Passacaglia]

I've already isolated all the exits to the room i'm in except for one (and the one i came from)...I think it's likely to be it. Or at least be the room before the center.

What's around you? I might know if you're close.

[DaddyTorgo]

What's around you? I might know if you're close.

lol

yeah like i'm going to give you a roadmap to eating me. :p

[Passacaglia]

lol

yeah like i'm going to give you a roadmap to eating me. :p

eh, you don't have to say if you don't want to -- my moves are pretty much set toward guarding the center rather than venturing out to nab one dude at this point.

[RendeR]

Vote Tyrith

We shall have no asshattery.

[RendeR]

FUCK


VOTE TYRITH

[Tyrith]

I enjoy just how much we managed to screw with you guys in a game we never had a chance to win :P

[The Jackal]

In order to speed up the end of the game, after this 12 PM deadline, all movements will be run as soon as I receive them from every person.

[The Jackal]

Deadlines will remain the same, but if everyone gets them in, we can run as many in a day as you like.

[The Jackal]

The Jester appears in front of you and stares at a piece of paper.

"And the winner is...

DaddyTorgo!"

DaddyTorgo was a Telepath!

[lerriuqs]

Huh...well hopefully someone else is as close as DT thought he was...

[Passacaglia]

Heh, I guess you were right, DT! I made some horrible mistakes while walking around. Props to nfg for being able to get himself lynched without making it look like he was trying to get himself lynched -- that bought us an extra wolf kill, which gave us more of a fighting chance.

[Passacaglia]

Oh heh, I thought by 'winner' that he had reached the center. Oh well.

[Passacaglia]

Anyway, Tyrith really screwed us here. I was hoping that once the wolves realized they were going to bite it, they would at least help me kill them by taking care of BK and lerriuqs.

[lerriuqs]

Anyway, Tyrith really screwed us here. I was hoping that once the wolves realized they were going to bite it, they would at least help me kill them by taking care of BK and lerriuqs.

And I was hoping that wouldn't happen...It was a concern of mine as well...

[DaddyTorgo]

hehe. awww shoot i didn't win. go village!

[nfg22]

I doubt DT was even near center. i was probably a lie.

[lerriuqs]

So we have...
Tyrith - ntndeacon (1166), lerriuqs (1170), dubb (1179), RendeR (1194)
RendeR - nfg (1174), tyrith (1180)

Yet to vote: Pass, barkeep

So as long as ntn doesn't move his vote, the wolves are dust.

[Passacaglia]

Good thing DT was killed -- man, he voted for Tyrith a ton of times!!

[lerriuqs]

Good thing DT was killed -- man, he voted for Tyrith a ton of times!!

lol

[ntndeacon]

why would I move my vote?

[Passacaglia]

why would I move my vote?

Because you might have win conditions that would make it helpful -- remember, we don't know what your win conditions are.

[ntndeacon]

Because you might have win conditions that would make it helpful -- remember, we don't know what your win conditions are.

nope. no win conditions. I win with the village. I was neutral only cuz I could have had a bad result for the village.

[nfg22]

Well race on. Tyrith I really wish you could be around longer...seems funny to say that after campaigning against you for days...

[lerriuqs]

nope. no win conditions. I win with the village. I was neutral only cuz I could have had a bad result for the village.

That was unclear until now. So yeah, Tyrith is dead then.

[nfg22]

That was unclear until now. So yeah, Tyrith is dead then.

Correction...will be dead.

[The Jackal]

Moves left to be sent: 4.

[ntndeacon]

yea it was unclear, to give the wolves a sense of false hope, so they would not try anything with the thought Idid not count against the villagers numbers.

[RendeR]

If we all join together to beat the shit out the both minotaurs can we kill them? =)


Just thinking outside the labyrinth here.....

[RendeR]

Still being led around by death girl. Weee.

[The Jackal]

If we all join together to beat the shit out the both minotaurs can we kill them? =)


Just thinking outside the labyrinth here.....

Traveling in groups does not increase anyone's odds of killing the minotaur.

[The Jackal]

Still being led around by death girl. Weee.

I think death girl is guaranteed a place in labyrinth III, whenever i run it in the distant future.

[Tyrith]

I would have killed someone else if I really had the inclination to try to figure out who you wanted dead. To be frank, though, I just didn't care enough to hunt for it myself. So now you'll have to earn it :P

[nfg22]

I think death girl is guaranteed a place in labyrinth III, whenever i run it in the distant future.

LOL...now people wont mess with her. whatever happened to that situation anyways?

[nfg22]

Oh NM>...Render just said...I hope she leads to to a crocodile that eats you.

[nfg22]

Cause it ate her doll.

[nfg22]

If we are doing super fast moves now it might not be fair to the village. If me and Pass by chance kill one or two of them cant we kill the vote too?

[The Jackal]

There is no more voting when all wolves are dead.

[nfg22]

I know...but Tyrith is still alive no?

[The Jackal]

I know...but Tyrith is still alive no?

Ah, well, consider everyone's votes locked in for today, even if they die. How's that.

[nfg22]

Ok...I just dont want the villagers to lose one and then the game is unfair. I want them to know me and Pass beat them because we rock.

[nfg22]

get your moves in people...

[Passacaglia]

Ah, well, consider everyone's votes locked in for today, even if they die. How's that.

That seems right, since technically the moves wouldn't happen until after the votes, if we hadn't sped things up.

[Danny]

I'm not playing, but that sounds like a good way to handle it Jackal.

[Danny]

Can someone kill Pass? He is only 1 (now 2) posts behind me.

[Passacaglia]

:)

[hoopsguy]

Wow, I'm not even top ten in posts this game. What the heck happened???

[Danny]

I noticed that too, must have been too busy preparing for your 24 game.

[Passacaglia]

Didn't you die like Night 1 or something?

[Danny]

He died yesterday

[Passacaglia]

Oh yeah, heh.

[lerriuqs]

Wow, I'm not even top ten in posts this game. What the heck happened???

How do you find that again?

[lerriuqs]

NM figured it out.

[hoopsguy]

On the WW forum, where all the posts are listed you click on the # of posts in the thread. It brings up a separate windows that shows posts-per-user, sorted from highest to lowest.

[Barkeep49]

Vote Tyrith.

[RendeR]

Nightfall

?

[The Jackal]

I don't have all the moves yet, lynch will still just happen at 9, as will the moves if I haven't gotten them all beforehand.

[Tyrith]

Because some rituals just have to be kept ;)

UNVOTE RENDER
VOTE NTNDEACON

[Danny]

Vote Wolf

[Danny]

Unvote Wolf
Vote Villager

[Danny]

Unvote Villager
Vote Wolf

[Danny]

Deadline