Werewolf XCVII - Labyrinth II (GAME OVER - COMMONERS WIN!)

[The Jackal]

The basic concept of this game is simple - you'll all start on the edge of a Labyrinth, and your goal is to get to the middle. No one knows the layout of the Labyrinth to begin with - no commoner, no wolves, not the minotaur. There will be traps, items, and other things hidden around. The wolves win if they achieve an even ratio with the commoners. The commoners gain a minor victory if they kill all the wolves, but one commoner must reach the center for the game to be over. If at any point a commoner reaches the center, the game ends.

A different twist this time - the wolves did not build this Labyrinth, the Jester did, and as such he brought them here just like everyone else. They will also be trying to find the center - and if a wolf is the first player to reach the center, the game will end in a win for them as well - however, they do not need to find the center to win.

There will be lynches and night kills. The wolves will alternate NK's and may only kill someone in their area of the Labyrinth.

Lynch/movement deadlines:

DAY MOVEMENT / NK PROCESS DEADLINE - 12 PM EST

NIGHT MOVEMENT / LYNCH DEADLINE - 9 PM EST

Results of ties known only to me.

I will post the role list here (it is in progress, and I will edit it over the next few days - there will be no hidden or vanilla roles).

Neutral Roles:

Minotaur - You begin at the center of the labyrinth. During each movement phase you get to move two phases. The first move is up to you, the second is random (though it will never take you back into the space you have just moved from). You cannot be lynched or night-killed, but there are a handful of participants that could prove threatening should you find them. When you encounter most players, however, you will immediately kill them. Your goal is to eliminate all combatants within the Labyrinth.

Loki - The Norse god of mischief returns. This role does not start the game aligned with either side - they will have multiple choices during the game that will guide their allegiance.

Inferno Hunter - You used to be a famous scientist, but everything you gained over your long career was destroyed when you were asked to make the inferno device. Originally it was to be used as a defense mechanism, but something went wrong - you lost the ability to control its location while manufacturing it, and it is now unstable. You travel across the lands trying to find it and rectify your mistake. Each day and night you may scan a player to see if they contain the inferno device. If you find it, you will have two choices - deactivate it or activate it.

Good Roles:

Mentok, the Mind Taker - Standard seer role. All commoners (including neutral roles) will return a good aura and all wolves will return an evil aura.

Paladin - Each night may place a protective shield on any player, preventing them from being night killed. May not protect the same player twice in a row.

Telepath - There will be 2-3 of you, if you cross paths in the labyrinth you will be able to PM for the duration of the game, regardless of proximity.

Theseus II - If you find the minotaur in the labyrinth, you will lock into battle and have a chance to kill it.

Nostradamus - Before the start of the game, pick five players. For each of these five players that is killed within the first five kills (whether lynch, night kill, or otherwise), receive a free scan. Only one scan may be used per night.

Mongol Warrior - You may choose one player to communicate with, due to the extensive experience in culture and trade achieved by the Mongols. This ability may be activated at any point during the game.

Dr. Jekyll - During each movement phase you will have an increasing chance to transform into Mr. Hyde for the duration of the movement (25% day 1, 50% day 2, 75% day 3 and onwards). This will move you one space in a random direction in addition to your requested movement (though not back into the space you came from). If you encounter the Minotaur while in the form of Mr. Hyde, you will have a chance of defeating it.

Nightcrawler - Cannot be night killed. Less vulnerable to traps. Does not have a movement action, instead he teleports once a day (at the night deadline). This will move him three random squares away from the edge of the labyrinth, but there is a 10% chance he will be stuck in a wall. If stuck in a wall Nightcrawler is unable to move during the next phase.

FBI Agent - Each night may take one player aside and attempt to learn their role. This ability has a higher chance of succeeding if you vote for the player that day. (25% normal, 50% if voted for). The Agent uses a memory-erasing poison which prevents the interogee from knowing they were pulled aside.

Phoenix - If night killed or lynched will come back to life where they died during the next phase, but only once. If killed by the Minotaur, they will return to life at a random location.

Bad Roles:

Ancient of Ice - Can freeze a player for an entire day or night phase, forbidding them from committing actions or posting during the selected phase. This can only be used once every two days, and if used, the frozen ancient cannot commit a kill that night.

Ancient of Fire - Brutal. If killed, has the option to engulf a player of their choice in flames, destroying them. Each day and night they may scan one player to learn if they contain the inferno device. If the Ancient of Fire dies and the Ancients have not discovered the location of the inferno device, the scanning ability will transfer to a different Ancient.

Ancient of Wind - Can transform into wind each night and learn the role of one player.

Ancient of Earth - Has an innate connection with the soil that you stand on - each night they will learn who is closest to the center of the Labyrinth - and once during the game they may teleport any player (except the minotaur, if applied to the minotaur it will fail) to a random place in the Labyrinth - this ability may be triggered at any time.

Items:

Inferno Device - Placed in a random player (wolves included, minotaur not) sometime during the first day of the game. It may be activated by the wolves at any point, but only once, and cannot be activated until they discover who has it. If activated, it will kill the player who contains it.

[The Jackal]

Players:

I. Lathum - blown up by the inferno device night 1 - Ancient of Earth
II. dubb93 - lynched day 1/returned day 2 - Phoenix
III. RendeR
IV. ntndeacon
V. Autumn - lynched day 2 - Nightcrawler
VI. Abe Sargent - lynched day 3 - Ancient of Ice
VII. Schmidty - Jesterfied night 2 - Mongol Warrior
VIII. JAG - lynched day 4 - Ancient of Fire
IX. hoopsguy - slain by wolves night 4 - Telepath
X. lerriuqs
XI. Danny - found the room of death day 4 - Telepath
XII. Barkeep49 - gored by the minotaur day 6 - Dr. Jekyll
XIII. Chief Rum - blown up by a fireball day 4 - FBI Agent
XIV. Tyrith - lynched day 6 - Ancient of Wind
XV. MartinD - slain by wolves night 2 - Nostradamus
XVI. Thomkal - slain by wolves night 3 - Mentok, the Mind Taker
XVII. Passacaglia
XVIII. DaddyTorgo - slain by wolves night 5 - Telepath
XIX. nfg22

[Lathum]

innie like a belly button

[dubb93]

In

[The Jackal]

As you can see, the rules are also in progress, so if there's anything that needs clarifying, certainly bring it up before the game starts.

[The Jackal]

And this time I promise to get the Labyrinth scanned into the computer and posted in the thread at the end of the game.

[RendeR]

What the hell, I'm on a roll right? =)


FLYNN

[ntndeacon]

In like Flint

[Autumn]

Arg, I was going to take a break but this looks too cool.

In, though I know I'll be gone for a long weekend the 27th, not sure of the exact dates.

[Abe Sargent]

You know this game influenced my Dungeon! significantly, right? I'm in. BUT, I am out next Thurs-Sun for a wedding. I can long in at night and submit some moves and stuff from m y hotel, but I will be unable to be active at all during that span. If its a problem, I can sit out. Otherwise, PUT ME IN BABY

[Schmidty]

I'm in if it starts next week.

[JAG]

I'll join.

[The Jackal]

You know this game influenced my Dungeon! significantly, right? I'm in. BUT, I am out next Thurs-Sun for a wedding. I can long in at night and submit some moves and stuff from m y hotel, but I will be unable to be active at all during that span. If its a problem, I can sit out. Otherwise, PUT ME IN BABY

I'm glad, and the Dungeon definitely influenced how I went about setting up this version.

[hoopsguy]

I think I'll be able to play. Sign me up and I'll let you know if it changes between now and when roles are scheduled to go out.

[lerriuqs]

in

[Danny]

Sure, I will join

[Barkeep49]

I'll play.

[Chief Rum]

I'll be lucky # XIII

[The Jackal]

Hopefully there are a few more signups today, if we get to 20 I'll start it on Monday, but if not I'll give people until Tuesday before starting it up.

[Tyrith]

Sure, why not.

[Abe Sargent]

Yay Tyrith!

Can Thomkal be far behind?

[MartinD]

I would like to play.

[Thomkal]

Yay Tyrith!

Can Thomkal be far behind?

Sorry but Thomkal is alphabetically ahead of Tyrith. But I'll play anyway. :cool:

[The Jackal]

Okay so yeah - if the game gets to 20 players by Sunday roles will go out Sunday night and Monday will be the first day. Otherwise we'll start the game with however many are signed up on Tuesday, roles out Monday.

[Abe Sargent]

Sorry but Thomkal is alphabetically ahead of Tyrith. But I'll play anyway. :cool:

Yay! Getting all of the Ts back in one game. Can tanglewood be far behind?

[Abe Sargent]

Well, too bad tangle hasn;t looged on since 2007 :(

[ntndeacon]

I can take off my first letter if that will help.

[The Jackal]

Just an FYI, we'll start Tuesday, roles will come out late tomorrow night. Would love to get a few more people, but whatever happens happens.

[Passacaglia]

I'm in. Can pennywisesb be far behind?

[The Jackal]

Signups will close at midnight so that I can finalize the Labyrinth.

[DaddyTorgo]

in a game like this, why would we lynch unless we were sure it was a wolf?

i was thinking i'd take a break, but if getting to the optimum number matters jackal, then i'm in

[The Jackal]

in a game like this, why would we lynch unless we were sure it was a wolf?

i was thinking i'd take a break, but if getting to the optimum number matters jackal, then i'm in

You have to lynch. You don't want to piss off the Jester.

And thanks for joinin'

[DaddyTorgo]

aaah okay

[nfg22]

ill try this again

[The Jackal]

So there are 16 roles listed (with 3 telepaths), the others will be added tonight.

[Lathum]

roles going out soon?

[The Jackal]

roles going out soon?

Not until the wee hours of the morning, sorry. I'm gonna be busy for a few hours and then I'll send 'em out. Signups close at midnight, anyhow.

[The Jackal]

Roles coming out soon.

[The Jackal]

All roles should be out.

[The Jackal]

DAY MOVEMENT / NK PROCESS DEADLINE: 12 PM EST

NIGHT MOVEMENT/LYNCH DEADLINE: 9 PM EST

First post will be updated for clarity.

[Chief Rum]

Awesome. I'm first. I'm never first.

I am a villager. I have a role (duh).

Jackal, quick question, as I didn't see it stated: do the bad guys have PM rights like normal wolves?

Also, we're at the edge of the Labyrinth, right? Are we all in the same place? If not, when do we get a description of where we are?

Thanks!

[The Jackal]

And as in the last game you do not have a movement to submit during the first day deadline - everyone's first movement is one square forward - except for Nightcrawler, of course.

[The Jackal]

Jackal, quick question, as I didn't see it stated: do the bad guys have PM rights like normal wolves?

Yes, the wolves can PM.

Also, we're at the edge of the Labyrinth, right? Are we all in the same place? If not, when do we get a description of where we are?


Everyone is at a different location along the edge of the Labyrinth. You will start recieving various descriptions at the movement deadlines. All you know right now is that it's dark and you're confused.

And because it was brought up last game - when you run into each other in the Labyrinth, you all look the same, so there will be no descriptive features of other players that give away their role.

[The Jackal]

Before it gets asked, role reveals will occur on death.

[Thomkal]

Commoner checking in here, and looking forward to playing in this wacky Labyrinth after reading the original over the weekend.

[Barkeep49]

I didn't have access to FOFC yesterday and thought that if the game was starting then I was going to hope I was the one voted out since that's my thing. Anyhow it's Tuesday and I am able to check FOFC so at least I won't be voted out D1 for that reason.

[hoopsguy]

Only one PM = villager. That rule of thumb held up again this time.

[Danny]

So there are 16 roles listed (with 3 telepaths), the others will be added tonight.

Jackal confirmed here the number of telepaths in the game, so with that I see no reason for the three of us not to reveal and build an immediate CoT. Worse case scenario is the wolves spend their night kills on us which allows our important roled people to do their thing.

So with that, I am a telepath.

[hoopsguy]

Danny, add me to the list of Telepaths.

[Thomkal]

nice move there Danny. Now you telepaths need to make sure you report back on whether you receive PM rights when/if you run into a claimed telepath.

[DaddyTorgo]

nice move Danny-boy

[Abe Sargent]

Lo all, I am here and checking in.

[Tyrith]

Here I am. I'm probably going to have to cast a provisional vote in the next two hours or so - I'm going to be out all afternoon into the early evening, and while I should be back around an hour before the deadline it's not certain.

[Passacaglia]

Should we really have all 3 telepaths reveal right now? I'm wondering if knowing 2 is plenty, and that there might be advantages in keeping the third a secret. Besides, with any luck, the two of you will find the third on your own. Also, if the third doesn't reveal right away, we might catch a wolf trying to fake a reveal.

[DaddyTorgo]

Telepath #3 here!

Was going to give it a lil bit to see if anyone would fake-reveal as my role, but then I finished my coffee and realized that'd be a poor move by the wolves on D1, so here I am.

[DaddyTorgo]

haha - eat me path!

that was my line of thinking and then i just talked myself into revealing.

[Danny]

Should we really have all 3 telepaths reveal right now? I'm wondering if knowing 2 is plenty, and that there might be advantages in keeping the third a secret. Besides, with any luck, the two of you will find the third on your own. Also, if the third doesn't reveal right away, we might catch a wolf trying to fake a reveal.

I see no reason not to. It gives a CoT of three people, allowing lynches and scans to go elsewhere. And it forces the wolves decide to focus on us and narrow down the trusted people they will be allowing the more important players to use their abilities.

As for catching a wolf trying to fake reveal, I doubt a wolf fake reveals here as all four people could be ignored and then between the real three telepaths it would only be a matter of time before one of us came in contact with the fake one and they would be caught at that point with a he said/she said among those two players.

I really don't see the potential advantages you mention to this point.

[Danny]

And with that, it's out. So we have Danny, Hoops and DaddyTorgo as the three telepaths. Assuming there is no additional reveals and all three of us are on the up and up this is a great starting point for the game. In the event there is a fourth reveal, I recommend ignoring all four of us as far as lynches/scans go and the one lying will be outed before long.

[ntndeacon]

at least we don't have a choice today on moves. So we know where everyone is on moves and closeness t ocenter.

[Autumn]

Wow, that's quite a collection of telepaths there. Hopefully the wolves didn't get treated so kindly by random selection.

So a night kill will happen at noon (if anyone is in the area, which I assume they're not at this point)? And then we lynch at night. I"ll have to get used to that.

[Passacaglia]

haha - eat me path!

that was my line of thinking and then i just talked myself into revealing.

Did you mean me?

[Danny]

Aren't you the same person?

[Passacaglia]

ssh

[DaddyTorgo]

yes i meant you pass.

lol

[DaddyTorgo]

clearly i need more coffee. i might have to move to two-coffee mornings being standard.

[Passacaglia]

Well, I thought it might have been that "eat me path" was your line of thinking, but you decided to just reveal instead of, uh...having path eat you.

[JAG]

Checking in as a villager, first real game of werewolf (not sure if The Dungeon counts). Hoping I don't do anything too stupid.

[Danny]

Checking in as a villager, first real game of werewolf (not sure if The Dungeon counts). Hoping I don't do anything too stupid.

If you're a wolf, it would be foolish not to tell us so :D

[DaddyTorgo]

Well, I thought it might have been that "eat me path" was your line of thinking, but you decided to just reveal instead of, uh...having path eat you.

haha

nope. there will be no eating of me (now watch the wolves night kill me first just to be funny so they can laugh about it to me via IM)

[DaddyTorgo]

Checking in as a villager, first real game of werewolf (not sure if The Dungeon counts). Hoping I don't do anything too stupid.

welcome to our lil world JAG!

*hands JAG two courtesy days of immunity*

[Autumn]

welcome to our lil world JAG!

*hands JAG two courtesy days of immunity*

Apparently you have a second secret role as an immunologist.

[Thomkal]

Checking in as a villager, first real game of werewolf (not sure if The Dungeon counts). Hoping I don't do anything too stupid.

Psst JAG-you get to decide the next Roguelike challenge. :)

[RendeR]

Checking in, looks like fun, hopefully I live longer in this one than I did in the first labyrinth =)

[Lathum]

Checking in.

I have noticed a couple of people saying they are a plain villager, which sticks out to me since we know everyone has a role.

[Abe Sargent]

Checking in as a villager, first real game of werewolf (not sure if The Dungeon counts). Hoping I don't do anything too stupid.

WELCOME!!!

[Abe Sargent]

As a reminder, I'm in today and tomorrow, but on Thursday and Friday and the weekend I am at wedding stuff for my chick's sister's wedding. I'll try to be around then, but not during the day. I'll get caught up and put in move orders from my hotel at nights.

[hoopsguy]

JAG, looking forward to having you take part in this game. Ditto to NFG. As for the rest of you, I think I've seen you around enough games by now that I don't have to be cordial anymore :)

Hopefully we can get the telepaths converging at some point in the very near future and further solidify our initial trust grouping.

[The Jackal]

-a crackling noise jolts through the Labyrinth, sending most of you to your knees, gripping your ears-

Ah, hello! This thing on?!

Quieter you say? Fine, fine.

-some shuffling is heard and the crackling lessens-

That better? Good, good, now that you can all hear me, welcome to my game! I look forwards to personally tormenting each and every one of you!

-there is a rumbling, high pitch cackle-

You may call me The Jester, and I'm your host.

-the voice disappears for a few moments, only to briefly return once more-

Oh! By the way! Beware the inferno!

[lerriuqs]

Checking in...Just caught up on this - how does the movement work? I haven't figured that out...

[The Jackal]

Checking in...Just caught up on this - how does the movement work? I haven't figured that out...

For those that didn't play in the first one, it will make more sense when I deliver you your movement options this afternoon.

[Barkeep49]

Checking in.

I have noticed a couple of people saying they are a plain villager, which sticks out to me since we know everyone has a role.
+1

[Danny]

Checking in.

I have noticed a couple of people saying they are a plain villager, which sticks out to me since we know everyone has a role.

I just reread and I did not notice this at all. The only person it looked like who said something that could be construed as this is Thomkal who checked in a commoner. I didn't notice anyone checking in as a vanilla villager.

[Thomkal]

I just reread and I did not notice this at all. The only person it looked like who said something that could be construed as this is Thomkal who checked in a commoner. I didn't notice anyone checking in as a vanilla villager.

Chief Rum checked in as a villager (with a role) before I did. JAG checked in as a villager. I checked in as a commoner. Of course I have a role, we all do, and we all know that, so lets not let the paranoia start this soon. I was just checking in so you knew I was here and reading the thread.

[Danny]

Chief Rum checked in as a villager (with a role) before I did. JAG checked in as a villager. I checked in as a commoner. Of course I have a role, we all do, and we all know that, so lets not let the paranoia start this soon. I was just checking in so you knew I was here and reading the thread.

I agree, I have no issue with what you or JAG said. Big difference between checking in as a villager and checking in as a vanilla villager which no one has done yet.

[JAG]

Thanks for the welcome all. I like to think I'm good at analysis and gaming and such, but following along for a number of past games I realize I am way out of my league. Still, I'll try and do my best to help out.

Thomkal, doh...you're right. I'll try and do something about that soon.

[Danny]

Thanks for the welcome all. I like to think I'm good at analysis and gaming and such, but following along for a number of past games I realize I am way out of my league. Still, I'll try and do my best to help out.

Thomkal, doh...you're right. I'll try and do something about that soon.

You'll be fine :). The last couple of games have been a bit crazy, this one should be pretty straight forward with all roles and mechanics seemingly revealed.

[Lathum]

Thanks for the welcome all. I like to think I'm good at analysis and gaming and such, but following along for a number of past games I realize I am way out of my league. Still, I'll try and do my best to help out.

Thomkal, doh...you're right. I'll try and do something about that soon.

I never know whats going on.

[Abe Sargent]

Don't beleive him JAG

[Danny]

Don't beleive him JAG

Yeah Jag, that's a pretty good rule to follow at all times, never believe Lathum.

[Lathum]

Leaving soon and will be out most of the day so may as well get the ball rolling.

VOTE NTNDEACON

been wanting to vote him day 1 for a while now but will finally pull the trigger. He gets a pass way to much D1 because he is so quiet.

The other person I was thinking about was Dubb since he ran the last game and if IIRC has gone deep in a few games lately.

[Lathum]

Yeah Jag, that's a pretty good rule to follow at all times, never believe Lathum.

sigh :(

how easily we forget the good plays I make as a villager.

[Tyrith]

Default D1 vote, likely to be changed.

VOTE NTNDEACON

[Tyrith]

Well darnit, LOL, two simultaneous votes. That said, I'm still not moving.

[Danny]

sigh :(

how easily we forget the good plays I make as a villager.

Yeah, but sometimes the suspicion you get as a possible wolf helps you to stay alive and make those plays.

Still, I am only teasing, sort of :)

[Lathum]

Yeah, but sometimes the suspicion you get as a possible wolf helps you to stay alive and make those plays.

Still, I am only teasing, sort of :)

I know, but we all know I am going to defend myself against your jests!

[Schmidty]

Checking in before I go to work. I'll be back around 6 p.m. EST.

[Passacaglia]

Wait, Danny is the jester? I thought he was a telepath.

[JAG]

I thought the jester sang for the king and queen in a coat he borrowed from James Dean.

[ntndeacon]

Vote Lathum.

I am not an ancient!

[dubb93]

Checking in. I'm neither an ancient nor a telepath.

[The Jackal]

Movements incoming.

[Barkeep49]

Since both NTN and dubb got a Pass Point (TM) after we've already drawn attention to the folly of that I'm going to vote for the guy who doesn't already have two votes on him.

Vote dubb

[dubb93]

Vote Barkeep

Right back at ya. I'm not sure when the last time you went on day 1 was. I can assure you you haven't gone on d1 since I started playing again.

[DaddyTorgo]

OMG...guys...I moved forward!!!

[hoopsguy]

DT is clearly lying to gain trust. There is no reason for a telepath to broadcast his movements to the rest of the group.

VOTE

Just kidding ... not really sure where to go with this game just yet. But since my understanding is that we all move forward initially I was just having some fun and being unduly dramatic in this post.

[hoopsguy]

DT, wasn't it pretty much consensus that you had to change your sig after the "I Hate Spending Money" thread. Especially since the person you quote has removed his permission for you to have that quote?

:)

[The Jackal]

Everything should be out. I will have a lot of PMs to go through/send at each deadline, so I'll always post when I think I'm done, and if I've missed you let me know.

[DaddyTorgo]

since my understanding is that we all move forward initially I was just having some fun and being unduly dramatic in this post.

this is what i was doing too

[DaddyTorgo]

DT, wasn't it pretty much consensus that you had to change your sig after the "I Hate Spending Money" thread. Especially since the person you quote has removed his permission for you to have that quote?

:)

aah but then i canceled the order for the shirt see!

actually i almost started a new bitching-thread this morning about hating people after what happened to me on the train

[The Jackal]

You all got a very similar PM, let me make it clear that the wall urging you forwards just meant that your first move was straight, not that it requires or suggests you continue moving straight.

[ntndeacon]

Since both NTN and dubb got a Pass Point (TM) after we've already drawn attention to the folly of that I'm going to vote for the guy who doesn't already have two votes on him.

Vote dubb

It may be folly, but I claim my situation is a little different, asmine was a feeble day one defence of votes against me more than a here I am post. (I had already announced my presence this morning). I will admit it wasn't a defence that anyone could or should put much stock into. Nonetheless it was more than just a "Pass Point" TM

[ntndeacon]

What is the consensus on sharing info on where we can go, or what has happened in terms of events in labyrith? mine are yes to first and no to second.

[Barkeep49]

I think people need to use their common sense on revealing of information. We don't want the wolves to find the center and they can already coordinate a bunch of info.

[DaddyTorgo]

You all got a very similar PM, let me make it clear that the wall urging you forwards just meant that your first move was straight, not that it requires or suggests you continue moving straight.

really? did people assume differently? some of you guys read an awful lot into a simple "compulsory movement PM" that was previously announced

[Thomkal]

yeah this version is a bit different than the first in that the wolves can win by finding the center first, so we probably need to be careful about specific directions, but room descriptions and/or encounters that take place in a room would be helpful for any commoner that comes into that area later.

Nothing exciting on my move and have multiple directions to move.

[Danny]

I moved forward too and reached the center, game over, we win!

[Thomkal]

really? did people assume differently? some of you guys read an awful lot into a simple "compulsory movement PM" that was previously announced

This is Werewolf, I never assume anything. :D

[The Jackal]

really? did people assume differently? some of you guys read an awful lot into a simple "compulsory movement PM" that was previously announced

I got a couple of responses saying they didn't want to ignore the wall and wanted to make sure that everyone knew while moving straight away from the edge is certainly an advisable idea, that I wasn't trying to make any hints or suggestions by saying everyone should move straight if they have that chance.

[Thomkal]

I moved forward too and reached the center, game over, we win!

woohoo! That was some big step forward then. :D

[The Jackal]

I moved forward too and reached the center, game over, we win!

Liar! You know what people with dirty mouths get?

Soap!

-Danny's image pops in front of your eyes and the Jester proceeds to wash his mouth out with soap-

Danny cannot post in the thread until 2 PM EST.

[Passacaglia]

haha -- everyone gets to make fun of Danny while he can't respond for 11 minutes!

[hoopsguy]

Pretty short stay in the penalty box. I thought this place was supposed to be hardcore ...

[Thomkal]

LOL-points finger at Danny and laughs

[The Jackal]

Pretty short stay in the penalty box. I thought this place was supposed to be hardcore ...

Ha! Nice try, mister. Trying to get me to kill you now instead of waiting for you to get to my surprises?

Where's the fun in that?!

-the Jester's laughter fades into the chilled air-

[Danny]

Pretty short stay in the penalty box. I thought this place was supposed to be hardcore ...

You have to consider the circumstances. Jackal not allowing me to post for 13 minutes is like not allowing some others to post for a whole day.

[Danny]

LOL-points finger at Danny and laughs

Hey, that's not a finger!

[MartinD]

I might not get much chance to get online later on, so posting an initial vote now:

VOTE LATHUM

I realise that this is a second vote, but I don't see much point in putting another candidate into the mix at this time.

[Abe Sargent]

I do! It's earlie in the morning!

[RendeR]

*BURP*

[RendeR]

"Excuse me!"

[Barkeep49]

I might not get much chance to get online later on, so posting an initial vote now:

VOTE LATHUM

I realise that this is a second vote, but I don't see much point in putting another candidate into the mix at this time.
I have no problems with the second vote. Why Lathum?

[Abe Sargent]

I hate voting for people for previous game reasons, so let me see what I can suss out. Anybody not check in yet?

[nfg22]

Checking in and I have to go to work...will be around at deadline.

[nfg22]

by the way...im looking at people that are all jumping on Lathum quick...seems that he always gets attention which makes it easy for a wolf to blend in.

[nfg22]

With that said....since i might get forced overtime..

Martin D

[ntndeacon]

Oh my vote is retribution only. f I need to change it for survival purposes, I have no trouble doing that either. So I am certainly not tied to my vote.

[nfg22]

i know.....but people jump on Lathum looking for an easy early non-suspicious lynch...its not much to go on...im just getting a vote out...

[Danny]

nfg, make sure to post the word vote first followed by the name of the person.

[ntndeacon]

nice catch Danny, yea nfg, cuz right now you aren't voting for anyone.

[Thomkal]

so this is what we have so far I think:

NTNDeacon: 2 (Lathum, Tyrith)
Lathum: 2 (Ntndeacon, MartinD)
Dubb: 1 (Barkeep)
Barkeep: 1(Dubb)
1 non-legal vote on Martin (nfg)

That look right to everybody?

[Autumn]

In the interest of consolidating votes, but not too much, I'll vote Dubb. I don't have anything to go on and I think a three way race at this point is good.

<b>VOTE DUBB93</B>

[Lathum]

I might not get much chance to get online later on, so posting an initial vote now:

VOTE LATHUM

I realise that this is a second vote, but I don't see much point in putting another candidate into the mix at this time.

sorry, but I don't get your logic.

There are 2 other people with 1 vote and you claim you don't want to introduce another candidate into the mix yet there are about 15 people left to vote.

You wanna vote me because you don't like my early vote or because it is a random D1 vote then fine, etc... but your logic at this point in the day makes no sense.

Seems you are tryin to capitilize on eputation

[MartinD]

I have no problems with the second vote. Why Lathum?

There were three players with one vote at the time, and I felt that going with Lathum was a better bet than the two guys who had voted for each other.

Not much of a reason, I know, but it is day 1 - there's precious little to go on...

[Lathum]

dola- I see others feel the same thing.

In light of Martins vote and the logic behind it.

Unvote NTNDeacon
Vote MartinD

[Lathum]

dola- Martin claiming he wants consolidation at this point suggests wolf to me trying to get a runoff involving all villagers

[Thomkal]

well lets make it a four way tie then, and see who breaks it and why. Nothing against you here Barkeep, just curious to see what will happen with a four way tie.

VOTE Barkeep49

[Thomkal]

Oh sure Lathum break up the four way tie while I'm posting my vote why don't ya? :) Although if nfg's vote counts, its still a four way tie.

[Thomkal]

NTNDeacon: 1 (Tyrith)
Lathum: 2 (Ntndeacon, MartinD)
Dubb: 2 (Barkeep, Autumn)
Barkeep: 2(Dubb, Thomkal)
MartinD:1 (Lathum) 1-non-legal vote on Martin (nfg)

will be away from the computer for a bit so someone else will have to pick up the voting

[The Jackal]

With that said....since i might get forced overtime..

Martin D

I will accept this vote because it's been a long time since you played and it wasn't listed in the rules, but any vote from now on that does not follow the format:

vote x
unvote x

will not be counted

[The Jackal]

Lathum 2 (ntn 99, Martin 127)
dubb 2 (BK 102, Autumn 141)
Martin 2 (nfg 135, Lathum 144)
BK 2 (dubb 103, Thomkal 146)
ntn 1 (Tyrith 92)

[Abe Sargent]

Let's push more.


Vote dubb


I don;t have any clues, but I don;t want to vote for someone new, and I don;t want to make it a 5-way instead of a 4-way.

Of the 4, Lathum and BK always get Day One votes, so instead I'll vote for either dubb or MartinD for now. I went with the first one on the list.

[Barkeep49]

Vote X

[Barkeep49]

Abe am I to take it then you didn't discover any no check-ins? I always favor that as a D1 vote.

[JAG]

There were three players with one vote at the time, and I felt that going with Lathum was a better bet than the two guys who had voted for each other.

Not much of a reason, I know, but it is day 1 - there's precious little to go on...

That's kind of a weird thing to say since ntn and Lathum had voted for each other the same way that dubb and Barkeep did. I wish I had more to go on to make a decision, sorry Martin.

Vote MartinD

[lerriuqs]

Two at three now...Hmm...

My vote is leaning towards Dubb right now. He's much too scary a wolf to take the chance IMO.

[hoopsguy]

Lerri, Dubb is also a pretty effective villager.

I'm expecting to be around some of the time between now and the deadline, although probably not right at the deadline. I'm going to hold off on voting for now.

[Abe Sargent]

Abe am I to take it then you didn't discover any no check-ins? I always favor that as a D1 vote.

I didn;t look, I asked others cause I didn;t have time, and no one responded, so I am assuming that everyone has checked in.

[MartinD]

Not much I can do to stop people voting for me if something I've said has struck a wrong note, but I predict that it will not be good for the village if I get lynched tonight...

I do have a good reason for wanting to vote for Lathum, but it looks like I probably need to switch my vote for self-defensive reasons, and I need to make that change now.

UNVOTE LATHUM
VOTE DUBB93

[hoopsguy]

Martin, are you willing to elaborate on the "good reason for wanting to vote for Lathum"?

[Barkeep49]

Lerriuqs and Schmidty have not checked in.

[Barkeep49]

DOLA - At least that I found.

[Abe Sargent]

Alright then, unvote dubb
vote Schmididity

[Abe Sargent]

Lerriuqs and Schmidty have not checked in.

Note that lerriuqs has a post five or six above yours

[hoopsguy]

Lerriuqs and Schmidty have not checked in.

Lerri - post #155. Haven't checked to see if Schmidty had, but Lerriuqs was fresh in my mind since I had just replied to his post.

[Abe Sargent]

Checking in before I go to work. I'll be back around 6 p.m. EST.

THis is what I get for listening to BK

Unvote Schmidididity
Vote dubb. Again.

[Barkeep49]

Schmidty checked in too. Post 96.

[Passacaglia]

VOTE DUBB93

[Tyrith]

Going to wait for a vote count, but you can count on me switching to someone other than dubb but with more than one vote.

[Schmidty]

Lerriuqs and Schmidty have not checked in.

Not true. I checked in before work.

[Schmidty]

Alright then, unvote dubb
vote Schmididity

That bullcrap. I did check in before work. I just got home (after grocery shopping).

The fact that you jumped on me right after Barkeep's little error, smells like wolf. You might think I'm going to be absent and easy prey like I had before last game. Well, you're wrong, bub.

Vote Abe

[Schmidty]

Oops.

I hadn't finished reading. :D

Unvote Abe

[Abe Sargent]

Someone has some egg on his face... ;)


I totially do the same thing too. Remember when I tried to build a case against Blade when he had been day killed and revelaed as the seer in teh Necromancer game? I quoted like 7 or 8 posts until I came across it.

[hoopsguy]

Vote count, as of Post #172:
dubb 5 (BK 102, Autumn 141, Martin 158, Abe 165, Pass 167)
Martin 3 (nfg 135, Lathum 144, JAG 154)
BK 2 (dubb 103, Thomkal 146)
ntn 1 (Tyrith 92)
Lathum 1 (ntn 99)

[hoopsguy]

OK, I'm out for awhile but will have a late vote coming in before deadline.

[Passacaglia]

Lerri, Dubb is also a pretty effective villager.

I'm expecting to be around some of the time between now and the deadline, although probably not right at the deadline. I'm going to hold off on voting for now.

This post gave me a flashback to a game where hoops said this as I was preparing to vote for CR on a Day 1. I was pretty new, and decided not to make waves, and it turned out that both CR and hoops were wolves. I just wanted to get that out there to show where I'm coming from, and give my suspicion that if dubb is a wolf, then hoops could be covering for him, in case I die (it just hit me that the night deadline is not in the morning, so I won't be online during the night phase).

[Lathum]

I do have a good reason for wanting to vote for Lathum, but it looks like I probably need to switch my vote for self-defensive reasons, and I need to make that change now.


Bullshit.

It's day 1, as far as I know only wolves have any info about people other than themselves.

[Chief Rum]

This post gave me a flashback to a game where hoops said this as I was preparing to vote for CR on a Day 1. I was pretty new, and decided not to make waves, and it turned out that both CR and hoops were wolves. I just wanted to get that out there to show where I'm coming from, and give my suspicion that if dubb is a wolf, then hoops could be covering for him, in case I die (it just hit me that the night deadline is not in the morning, so I won't be online during the night phase).

Hmm, do you remember what game that was? I think hoops and I have only been wolves together once, and it was a recent game. ;)

We were talking about it at the time, how odd it was we had never been wolves together.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, I don't want to let this get away. No real bad vibe on MartinD, but if we're going to throw darts at the board blindfolded, I would rather at least have a strong player like dubb go down with us having other choices available.

VOTE MARTIND

[Tyrith]

Not going to lie, dubb scares the crap out of me after what I've seen him do as a wolf over the last month or two.

[The Jackal]

Vote X

Ass. :)

[Passacaglia]

Hmm, do you remember what game that was? I think hoops and I have only been wolves together once, and it was a recent game. ;)

We were talking about it at the time, how odd it was we had never been wolves together.

It was a loong time ago, but I can't find it.

[The Jackal]

dubb 5 (BK 102, Autumn 141, Martin 158, Abe 165, Pass 167)
Martin 4 (nfg 135, Lathum 144, JAG 154, Chief Rum 178)
BK 2 (dubb 103, Thomkal 146)
Lathum 1 (ntn 99)
ntn 1 (Tyrith 92)

[ntndeacon]

I haven't really liked Martin's answers myself. SO I am willing to throw a vote that way. (I realize it ties it up, but we still have over an hour for that to change)

Unvote Lathum
Vote MartinD

[Tyrith]

I'd rather vote for someone that has actual suspicion than just voting for dubb out of fear, although I personally take everything that happens on D1 with a grain of salt.

UNVOTE NTNDEACON
VOTE MARTIND

[ntndeacon]

I had a bad thought right after Ivoted and went to check when Martin Voted. I had thought originally it was right after me, but after looking into it that wasn't true. Lathum's comments about how much is know on day one seems an awful lot like something that may not be true. I think I am gonna back off of Martin and hit dubb instead. I realize if Martin is bad this is going to look bad for me, but I think it might be worth taking.

Unvote Martin
Vote Dubb

[RendeR]

So we have a tie right now?

[The Jackal]

dubb 6 (BK 102, Autumn 141, Martin 158, Abe 165, Pass 167, ntn 185)
Martin 5 (nfg 135, Lathum 144, JAG 154, Chief Rum 178, Tyrith 184)
BK 2 (dubb 103, Thomkal 146)

[DaddyTorgo]

oooh fun here i am. no hard evidence on anybody i assume?

[The Jackal]

Schmidty, lerriuqs, RendeR, Danny, DT, and hoops yet to vote, that correct?

[lerriuqs]

Vote dubb

Let's see where this goes.

[RendeR]

VOTE MARTIN


Lets keep it close

[DaddyTorgo]

i have zero problem casting the deciding vote so let's see how this shakes out

[hoopsguy]

Votes as of Post #192:
dubb 7 (BK 102, Autumn 141, Martin 158, Abe 165, Pass 167, NTN 185, Lerri 190)
Martin 6 (nfg 135, Lathum 144, JAG 154, Chief 178, Tyrith 184, RendeR 191)
BK 2 (dubb 103, Thomkal 146)

[hoopsguy]

Given those two choices, here are my thoughts:
- hate voting for Dubb on Day 1. Having an active/clever player in the game past Day 1 makes for a more interesting game. I really do not want to vote for him
- MartinD intimated that he was not a particularly good lynch for us and that he had reason to suspect Lathum. Could be total BS, but he hasn't logged a lot of games so I'm not sure that I'm ready to flag him as an early liar either.

I think I would rather push either Lathum (see if there is reason for MartinD's suspicions) or BK over either of these guys, frankly. But I kind of doubt there is time for that move.

Jackal - do votes at 9:00 EST count?

[The Jackal]

Yes, votes at 9:00 count.

[Abe Sargent]

Checking the rules to see what the TB mechanic is

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, looks like we have an unknown TB mechanic in the works.

[hoopsguy]

Well, my deadline is right now since it is time to put my kid to bed. I marginally think Dubb is more likely to be a wolf so I'll vote for him and hope that we are getting lucky. And when that does not happen I'll whine about how Day 1 sucks and wonder just what exactly started the Dubb train moving this afternoon.

VOTE DUBB

[RendeR]

we don't currently have a tie to break =)

[Abe Sargent]

we don't currently have a tie to break =)

I just wanted evyerone to know the lack of knowledge of the mechanic because I didn;t remember from the rules. I'd prefer us not to get surprised.

[Lathum]

I think I would rather push either Lathum (see if there is reason for MartinD's suspicions) or BK over either of these guys, frankly. But I kind of doubt there is time for that move.

Jackal - do votes at 9:00 EST count?

just read the roles, there is NO WAY he could have any knowledge about me.

[Lathum]

count?

[Chief Rum]

just read the roles, there is NO WAY he could have any knowledge about me.

I figured Martin's suspicions were just a read off of something you said, no indication of any actual firsthand knowledge. But he didn't expand on it.

[The Jackal]

dubb 8 (BK 102, Autumn 141, Martin 158, Abe 165, Pass 167, ntn 185, lerriuqs 190, hoops 198)
Martin 6 (nfg 135, Lathum 144, JAG 154, Chief Rum 178, Tyrith 184, RendeR 191)
BK 2 (dubb 103, Thomkal 146)

Not Voted - Schmidty, DT, Danny

[Schmidty]

Shit.

I have to vote.

[Barkeep49]

I don't think Martin knows anything about Lathum now. That wouldn't mean he didn't have a good reason for wanting Lathum dead.

[Schmidty]

I'm not jumping on the dubb train. Gonna go with Martin to make it close.

Vote MartinD

[Barkeep49]

I don't think Martin knows anything about Lathum now. That wouldn't mean he didn't have a good reason for wanting Lathum dead.
To elaborate since if I could figure it out I'm sure the wolves can to:
I'm suggesting Martin is Nostradamus.

[Schmidty]

Dola.

I know I bring real life in a lot, but I was at the laundry mat until a few minutes ago. Our washer is broken. I forgot how shitty and boring the laundry mat is. It was so crappy, that I couldn't even stay there for my clothes to finish. I'll be picking them up in a few minutes. :)

[Lathum]

To elaborate since if I could figure it out I'm sure the wolves can to:
I'm suggesting Martin is Nostradamus.

well then that's a shit reason for wanting me dead.

And it is also possible he is a wolf who wants us to think that.

[Barkeep49]

Why is it a shit reason?

[Abe Sargent]

To elaborate since if I could figure it out I'm sure the wolves can to:
I'm suggesting Martin is Nostradamus.

How so?

[The Jackal]

DEADLINE

[The Jackal]

dubb 8 (BK 102, Autumn 141, Martin 158, Abe 165, Pass 167, ntn 185, lerriuqs 190, hoops 198)
Martin 7 (nfg 135, Lathum 144, JAG 154, Chief Rum 178, Tyrith 184, RendeR 191, Schmidty 207)
BK 2 (dubb 103, Thomkal 146)

Not Voted - DT, Danny

[Autumn]

Interesting to me that Lathum got no traction, though probably everyone thought like me "I'd hate to have him as a wolf, but he'd be good to have as a villager." There was enough action on this race to give us some data, I hope.

[Barkeep49]

Well if Lathum is on Martin's list and Martin gets Lathum lynched Martin gets a scan. Whoever Nostradamus is, it behooves them to try and lynch the people on the list, otherwise the power is useless. So on D1, with nothing else to go on, it would make complete sense for Martin to pick one of the five.

[Lathum]

Why is it a shit reason?

because he is trying to kill an innocent and likely only gain a scan to find out about another innocent player.

So you are killing one to clear one, seems like a wash.

[Autumn]

And I hate non-votes.

[Chief Rum]

Thoughts...

Interesting that DT proclaimed himself unafraid to make a choice, and then proceeds to not do so.

And someone should have let Danny know that the soap thing ended at 11 a.m. his time.

[Barkeep49]

We have no reason to believe that either the people on the list or the scans will be innocents.

[DaddyTorgo]

fucko. i just started talking to my BFF for the first time in like a month and lost track of time!

[Barkeep49]

You really refer to your best friend as your BFF? I thought only teenage girls did that.

[Abe Sargent]

OMG

[DaddyTorgo]

FWIW I would have prolly voted dubb - martin played a really good seer the other game and he's still pretty new, so i wouldn't have ended up tying it up or anything.

*shrugs*

[Lathum]

And I hate non-votes.

me too

[Autumn]

It's easy to get lost talking with your BFF .... I guess. ;-)

[The Jackal]

The Jester surveys the lynch results.

Dubb..

DUBB?!

BAH!

He'll be back, lot of fun you bunch are.

Just because you've failed to amuse me, a little bit of news! The inferno device was in dubb, and it's been moved to another one of you randomly! Enjoy!

[Abe Sargent]

Well if Lathum is on Martin's list and Martin gets Lathum lynched Martin gets a scan. Whoever Nostradamus is, it behooves them to try and lynch the people on the list, otherwise the power is useless. So on D1, with nothing else to go on, it would make complete sense for Martin to pick one of the five.

Hmmm. That seems plausible in retrospect.

[RendeR]

It's easy to get lost talking with your BFF .... I guess. ;-)


She must be from Ohio....

[Abe Sargent]

It's easy to get lost talking with your BFF .... I guess. ;-)

Anybody else read BFF as Best Fucking Freind?

[Abe Sargent]

The Jester surveys the lynch results.

Dubb..

DUBB?!

BAH!

He'll be back, lot of fun you bunch are.

Just because you've failed to amuse me, a little bit of news! The inferno device was in dubb, and it's been moved to another one of you randomly! Enjoy!


Does this imply he is the Phoenix. If so, we now have a COT establish on Day One

[DaddyTorgo]

You really refer to your best friend as your BFF? I thought only teenage girls did that.

actually i refer to him as my heterosexual lifemate, but BFF seemed acceptable internet shorthand

[Lathum]

Does that mean Dubb is the Phoenix?

Good for us if it does, 4 relativly cleared players D1, not bad

[The Jackal]

And now the arduous process of going through movements, they'll stream out over the next little bit.

[Barkeep49]

Anybody else read BFF as Best Fucking Freind?
Way to give DT his balls back Abe.

[Chief Rum]

Did the Jester just suggest dubb was the Pheonix?

Also, I forget, does the player with the inferno know he has the inferno? It would be interesting from that perspective, I suppose, to go over dubb's posts.

[Chief Rum]

Heh...shoulda typed faster...

[DaddyTorgo]

well that or my brother...*shrugs*

[Barkeep49]

I'm not ready to say dubb is the phoenix because he also had the inferno device. Is it possible that is what saved him?

[The Jackal]

Also, I forget, does the player with the inferno know he has the inferno? It would be interesting from that perspective, I suppose, to go over dubb's posts.

No.

[Chief Rum]

No.

No it would not be interesting? :)

[The Jackal]

No it would not be interesting? :)

:devil:

[Thomkal]

well that was a let-down after a suspenseful last hour of voting. why didn't dubb get lynched?

[Autumn]

Yeah, not sure what that's supposed to mean.

[Chief Rum]

well that was a let-down after a suspenseful last hour of voting. why didn't dubb get lynched?

He did get lynched. We're surmising he will be back though (as the Phoenix), given what The Jester had in his lynch post.

[The Jackal]

Just an FYI, as I know we'll run into this. If you run into someone else in the maze, you do not get PM rights, and I will not allow group movements. If you happen to move in the same direction so be it - or if you want to attempt to coordinate it in the thread, feel free.

[Autumn]

I didn't see anything in the rules saying whether the person would lknow if they had the inferno device or not.

On the other hand it just struck my attention scanning the rules that several of the miscellaneous roles can scan other plays both day and night (the inferno hunter, the ancient of fire). Just to keep in mind that some players will be gaining information during the day cycle.

[Thomkal]

He did get lynched. We're surmising he will be back though (as the Phoenix), given what The Jester had in his lynch post.

wouldn't he have just said he was the phoenix then?

[Chief Rum]

wouldn't he have just said he was the phoenix then?

Not if he doesn't rise up right away. Maybe dubb comes back tomorrow.

[The Jackal]

wouldn't he have just said he was the phoenix then?

You'll find out at the next phase, won't you? :popcorn: