WW 100: Game over!

[Autumn]

I don't have the information on activity that would glue this all together. Jackal and Darth jump out as having nothing meaningful in their voting. The others I think I'd have to know more about when they were in thread, which I can't do right now.

I am inclined to vote Darth out of this particular set of data.

[Autumn]

And now I need to do some work. Hopefully someone else wiill pick up the data and run with it.

[EagleFan]

vote RealDeal

Logic: Love/hate guy can be either wolf or village. If he is wolf and learns one person a night that hates him they can orchestrate a way to almost make it impossible to get him voted out by night killing those players and leaving behind the ones that love him.

[Schmidty]

Just the way you popped in, threw a vote on a candidate who hadn't had one until a couple minutes before with no real reason. It just seemed ... odd.

Again....it was day 1, and I generally do that kind of thing every game. I catch crap for it, but I do it because I don't want to have a WW Schmidty or a Villager Schmidty. That's that.

Other than that, what can I say to defend myself? Nothing. It's day 1.

[dubb93]

Dubb is first on Saldana early. No movement there for a long time and then some traction at the end of the day. Again, if he was around early seemed like a waste.

Whatever Autumn. Atleast I was willing to introduce my candidate early and campaign to get him lynched all day. I was able to convince two and up until the very end three to vote his way as well. Keep in mind people unvoted Saldana at the very end.

I guess from this point forward I should come in at the very end and instead of voting for someone I think is a wolf I should rather vote with the following strong, strong, strong logic.

I don't want the voting to be too close given all the weird vote things going on but I can't see voting for CF or PB right now.


Vote KWHIT

:confused:

[CrimsonFox]

You can't deny that your move could be looked at as an attempt to get heat off PB once Saldana got a few votes.

I can deny anything I choose :)

[dubb93]

You know what, fuck this. Autumn has pissed me off. He acts like I voted Saldana, said nothing, left for the day and come back and magically there are other votes for him.

Vote Autumn

This is based simply on his distortion of the facts here.

[path12]

Path voted J23 late trying to push him into contender status. I'm not sure what I think about this vote, could be considered a throwaway but seems more like an attempt to get a different target out there.

You are correct in your thoughts on this. I wasn't really sold on either KWhit or PB so focused on someone who seemed more suspicious to me.

In retrospect, I should have went with one or the other of the top votegetters because a tie sucks. If I hadn't been summoned by my better half I might've.

[Poli]

I <3 dubb. Did I do that right?

[dubb93]

Poli!

[Schmidty]

Vote Autumn

I agree that Autumn is quick to throw people out there with a huge lack iof evidence. I know we have to have candidates early in the game, but I know I'm good, so if he can think I'm bad based on nothing, I can do the same thing.

Plus he's been picking on me in recent games. :)

[Autumn]

Dubb, you are taking this way out of proportion. I just wrote a bunch of stuff about lots and lots of people. And said several times that we need the context of when people were in thread, etc. You picking yourself out of that long list and going crazy about it seems a bit weird.

[CrimsonFox]

This - the wolves would take a tie rather than lose one of their own. If they controlled one of the voting powers, they knew that they were improving their lot in life.

KWhit made the late "save self" switch as well - I would expect a wolf with that power to try and save it for the very last minute. In KWhit's case, that was one minute before deadline. Does self-preservation make him a wolf? Nope, but this was definitely "late movement".

PurdueBrad made a late move to switch his vote, saying he was worried about vote padding - again, a late self preservation vote is something both villagers and wolves do. But this is still "late movement".

My main issue here is that the tone of the thread so far seems to be giving a lot more trust/leeway to the two main guys in the vote on a day filled with big-time runs. I'm not saying that they are the only two we look at, but they are certainly both still on my list right now.


I don't like the overanalysis of "late moves". Remeber that this is an online game and everyone is not online the whole time due to life, school, family, work, etc.

Also realize that analyzing the "this person knows that" and "a wolf would know that". Nobody knows anything about anybody except that the wolves know who each other are. The resurrector does not know who is a wolf. The wolves do not know what role anyone else is (and thus cannot use that as a factor). Rezzie does not know who rezzer is. Only thing is that wolves know each other's role. BUt I'm not so sure they use it as overstrategically as one might think. (due to life, etc)

[Autumn]

Again....it was day 1, and I generally do that kind of thing every game. I catch crap for it, but I do it because I don't want to have a WW Schmidty or a Villager Schmidty. That's that.

Other than that, what can I say to defend myself? Nothing. It's day 1.

You do what every game?

[CrimsonFox]

Dubb, you are taking this way out of proportion. I just wrote a bunch of stuff about lots and lots of people. And said several times that we need the context of when people were in thread, etc. You picking yourself out of that long list and going crazy about it seems a bit weird.

I don't know. I've been heavily annoyed and almost to the pissed off point a couple times so far. Not extremely mind you, but he was getting picked on a couple times for no reason too. Anyway, overanalysis is indeed a valid reason to vote for you. And an outburst like that is also possibily a throw off the track move. Really human nature is what makes this game hilarious because everyone thinks every move, word, comma, etc a suspicion as a werewolf.

[Darth Vilus]

I'm not gonna lie, I really want to vote autumn. He seems to see things that aren't there. for example he thinks my votes are wasted, but it's not like i can change them later in the day cuz i have work. u guys know i have to vote early most of the time. He's either a wolf or an overzealous villager, and i am inclined to believe the latter. so i dont really think he's a wolf.

[Autumn]

Vote Autumn

I agree that Autumn is quick to throw people out there with a huge lack iof evidence. I know we have to have candidates early in the game, but I know I'm good, so if he can think I'm bad based on nothing, I can do the same thing.

Plus he's been picking on me in recent games. :)

And this is a complete distortion of what I'm doing. I tried to analyze all the main contenders in yesterday's vote to see if there was anything in the voting record. I also went through that list of people who had supposedly voted for dead candidates to see if I agreed. There isn't a lot of evidene there, but I also didn't really suggest anyone as candidates. The nearest to a conclusion I came to is that Jackal and Darth haven't really made any meaningful votes.

And then in your case I said that i had a gut feel about you on day one, which is something other people have said about other people a dozen times in this game and every game.

This sounds like typical "let's take the guy who is talking a lot and therefore opening himself up to attack". If I was "throwing people out there without a lot of evidence" as you claim I probably would have, I don't know, thrown some people out there. Dubb picked himself from a list of 6-8 people, I didn't do that. You're the only one I've come close to pointing a finger at and yet didn't really mention you at all in any of my analysis.

Give me a break guys.

[Schmidty]

You do what every game?

Make a lame day 1 vote on purpose.

[Autumn]

I'm not gonna lie, I really want to vote autumn. He seems to see things that aren't there. for example he thinks my votes are wasted, but it's not like i can change them later in the day cuz i have work. u guys know i have to vote early most of the time. He's either a wolf or an overzealous villager, and i am inclined to believe the latter. so i dont really think he's a wolf.

I'll say for the third time that I pointed out that the problem with that list is we need to know when people were in thread, and when people left for the day. I personally have no idea what your schedule is without looking back through the thread, which I specifically said earlier I hadn't had time to do yet.

I put those things up and asked for response. A good response would be, "I was out all day and could not change my votes."

[Autumn]

I don't know. I've been heavily annoyed and almost to the pissed off point a couple times so far. Not extremely mind you, but he was getting picked on a couple times for no reason too. Anyway, overanalysis is indeed a valid reason to vote for you. And an outburst like that is also possibily a throw off the track move. Really human nature is what makes this game hilarious because everyone thinks every move, word, comma, etc a suspicion as a werewolf.

Well, I certainly don't think he can claim that I have been picking on him.

[Autumn]

Make a lame day 1 vote on purpose.

Ah, well that would explain it ;-)

[Darth Vilus]

I need to catch up more so that i have a better feel of everyone in this game, work has taken it's toll. I'm just gonna go ahead and

vote realdeal

Just to keep it close even though it's still early

[CrimsonFox]

This sounds like typical "let's take the guy who is talking a lot and therefore opening himself up to attack".



This is how I think I ended up with so many votes myself so I'm with you on that one. I do think it's ludicrous to suggest that someone who is bringing up important facts is automatically a wolf. My own thinking on why I said so many things was that I had ideas and observations and if I hold them in , I might die tonight and thus no one would hear them. Granted others may have thought of them too. There is of course the problem that overanalysis and stating of facts borders on bullying which is why you are rubbing people the wrong way now.

[Autumn]

Whatever Autumn. Atleast I was willing to introduce my candidate early and campaign to get him lynched all day. I was able to convince two and up until the very end three to vote his way as well. Keep in mind people unvoted Saldana at the very end.

Again, this is the kind of explanation that I was hoping people would give for their votes so that we can figure things out. If people could explain themselves without getting testy maybe we'd get somewhere. Ther'es no way I can tell from the vote record whether someone voted early and left, voted early and campaigned for their candidate, or voted early and campaigned for someone else. And as I've said, I haven't had time to go back and check that on everyone. I was hoping other people would do some of the legwork also.

[Schmidty]

Ah, well that would explain it ;-)

In fact, when Poli and I played, we would automatically vote for each other on the first day every time.

It help me when I'm a wolf and when I'm a villager. :)

[Autumn]

This is how I think I ended up with so many votes myself so I'm with you on that one. I do think it's ludicrous to suggest that someone who is bringing up important facts is automatically a wolf. My own thinking on why I said so many things was that I had ideas and observations and if I hold them in , I might die tonight and thus no one would hear them. Granted others may have thought of them too. There is of course the problem that overanalysis and stating of facts borders on bullying which is why you are rubbing people the wrong way now.

Oh, I'm used to this. It's standard I think that whoever talks a lot will eventually get targeted, regardless what they say. It's why the wolves tend to keep quieter. I just posted a bunch of lists of who voted for what, I could post my laundry list and if I talked enough I'd get votes.

I'm not too worried about it. Hopefully some villagers will work with what's there and figure something out I haven't been smart enough to figure.

[CrimsonFox]

sorry to have missed all the fun last night...i was out til almost 9 and had a raid scheduled almost as soon as I got in.

i would agree that the lack of movement to save either Kwhit or PB probably means they are both clean, so they each move up a bit

dubb, i will explain myself one more time...i agreed with the concept of voting you yesterday morning because you had not voted the previous day (nor explained why). i myself did not vote for you because i voted for you on day one (out of sheer nostalgia) and am not quite ready to risk triggering the "die when you vote for someone a second time" mechanic that is still out there. once you came in and said you messed up the deadline time, any reason I DID have for agreeing with votes for you went out the window.

that said, if you would like to persist with having a hardon for me, I will have to reconsider my risk assessment regarding a 2nd vote for you.

as far as CF goes, the logic process leaves alot to be desired from my book, starting with the fact that he threw out and then proceeded to do absolutely NOTHING except backpedal away from it...if you were having such an "aha" moment, why didnt you vote for Autumn?

Never backpedaled away from that statement at all. It seems (for some reason ) that no one was getting it when it wasn't that complicated. I didn't vote for him because no one else had and you loooked more guilty to me for your jumping on me quickly after I got two. (as someone else pointed out). And when you got two votes, then you were my clear choice as the only one of my three suspects with votes.

Also this distortion of the facts and trying to implicate me again further makes me feel you are still one of the wolves.

[hoopsguy]

CrimsonFox, just a quick note - it is not acceptable to edit posts in the WW thread unless you are the moderator. I don't know if it is called out in the rules of this game explicitly, but it is understood as a rule on this forum.

[path12]

Jesus Christ, I forgot how much sand gets in vaginas during these games.

Werewolf: Sign up for the fun, stay for the irrational anger!

[hoopsguy]

Also, I'm 100% behind Autumn working through his thought process in the thread and don't think that it makes him any more likely to be a villager or a wolf. I would much rather have people presenting their thoughts in the thread than just responding to posts of others and voting. It makes for a more interesting game, both to play and to read along with when I'm not playing.

[CrimsonFox]

Still liking three particular candidates:
henry - still doesn't communicate. does log in but doesn't do much or vote. Then votes with little explanation. And I don't buy the "my phone keeps me logged in even tho I'm not there" story. One of the original DT voters (which everyone seems to have forgotten about)

saldana - jumped on me quickly once 2 others did. Keepsa pushing me as a killer and now is trying to distort my statements adding untruths to them.

Autumn - The Lathum thing. Over-overanalysis. Playing the shell game of focus.

hmmmm decisions, decisions...
Will probably change my mind a few times but
VOTE AUTUMN

[hoopsguy]

In fact, when Poli and I played, we would automatically vote for each other on the first day every time.

It help me when I'm a wolf and when I'm a villager. :)

But the mixed blessing of it is that it is harder for villagers to make you for a villager, which is kind of important in a game of incomplete information.

[CrimsonFox]

CrimsonFox, just a quick note - it is not acceptable to edit posts in the WW thread unless you are the moderator. I don't know if it is called out in the rules of this game explicitly, but it is understood as a rule on this forum.

oops my bad. In each case I wanted to add another sentence or two I thought of after I saved.

[hoopsguy]

No worries; just wanted to call it out now rather than have it come up later.

[CrimsonFox]

Jesus Christ, I forgot how much sand gets in vaginas during these games.

Werewolf: Sign up for the fun, stay for the irrational anger!

FUCK YOU PATH! GO TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Schmidty]

But the mixed blessing of it is that it is harder for villagers to make you for a villager, which is kind of important in a game of incomplete information.

Very true, but it is what it is.

[Autumn]

Still liking three particular candidates:
henry - still doesn't communicate. does log in but doesn't do much or vote. Then votes with little explanation. And I don't buy the "my phone keeps me logged in even tho I'm not there" story. One of the original DT voters (which everyone seems to have forgotten about)


For what it's worth, Henry has been logged in like that on every game I've ever played on here. And it's a kind of rule here that nobody will lie about real life stuff like that. Either way, I'm sure he's telling the truth, because he does that even when he's not in the game.

[path12]

FUCK YOU PATH! GO TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL. I get that a lot.

[CrimsonFox]

LOL. I get that a lot.

gotcha ;)

[Autumn]

Well, if you guys are right that I'm a wolf, let's figure out to what purpose I would be making a big splash in the thread today and drawing attention. Optimal strategy for me as a wolf would be to be fairly quiet and not draw any looks.

The only reason that it would make sense for me to make such a splash is because i didn't like the trail the village was on and wanted to head them down a new one. So, the question is what path was the village on before I started talking? And who am I trying to lead people away from? If I was a wolf, that is.

Frankly, vote analysis aside, the fact that neither Kwhit nor PB are really getting looks today is interesting to me. I'm tempted to go look back at these two. That would be the natural inclination of the village, I would think, and the fact that nobody's going there makes me wonder.

[CrimsonFox]

Frankly, vote analysis aside, the fact that neither Kwhit nor PB are really getting looks today is interesting to me. I'm tempted to go look back at these two. That would be the natural inclination of the village, I would think, and the fact that nobody's going there makes me wonder.

you're right. Everybody but you is a wolf...:p

[hoopsguy]

Autumn, welcome to where I started this morning - trying to figure out why we were dropping both of the tie candidates from voting consideration today.

[CrimsonFox]

for me it was the fact that no one knew it was going to be a tie...the tie was generated by a padded vote somewhere, so it looked as if Kwhit was going to go and no one started juggling votes around to keep him alive...maybe it doesnt do so much to make me feel better about PB, but i would have expected the wolves to try to keep one of their own (kwhit)alive, and I didnt see that.

This is the first thing you've said that makes sense. Kwhit (as wolf) would know that he were going to die as would the other wolf. and save him. Unless they were already both voting for PB. I'm liking the Kwhit is villager notion. Then again I never suspected him in the first place.

[hoopsguy]

Best I can tell, the candidates right now are the "too risky a declared role to leave alive" and "talks too much, has angered me with analysis that may somehow implicate me" guys.

My vote will likely be coming in late today, as the afternoon is slammed and my evening time pre-deadline will be limited. But I hope I'm not having to choose between these two.

[Autumn]

(346) – Autumn votes Kwhit (Kwhit 4, CrimsonFox 3, PurdueBrad 3, EagleFan 2, J23 1, dubb93 1, saldana 1)
(349) – Kwhit votes saldana (Kwhit 4, CrimsonFox 3, PurdueBrad 3, EagleFan 2, saldana 2, J23 1, dubb93 1)
(350) – PurdueBrad unvotes CrimsonFox (Kwhit 4, PurdueBrad 3, CrimsonFox 2, EagleFan 2, saldana 2, J23 1, dubb93 1)
(361) – CrimsonFox unvotes PurdueBrad, votes saldana (Kwhit 4, saldana 3, PurdueBrad 2, CrimsonFox 2, EagleFan 2, J23 1, dubb93 1)
(363) – PurdueBrad votes J23 (Kwhit 4, saldana 3, PurdueBrad 2, CrimsonFox 2, EagleFan 2, J23 2, dubb93 1)
(366) – path12 votes J23 (Kwhit 4, saldana 3, J23 3, PurdueBrad 2, CrimsonFox 2, EagleFan 2, dubb93 1)
(368) – RealDeal unvotes EagleFan, votes PurdueBrad (Kwhit 4, saldana 3, J23 3, PurdueBrad 3, CrimsonFox 2, EagleFan 1, dubb93 1)
(384) – Lathum unvotes CrimsonFox, votes PurdueBrad (Kwhit 4, PurdueBrad 4, saldana 3, J23 3, CrimsonFox 1, EagleFan 1, dubb93 1)
(386) – Schmidty votes Kwhit (Kwhit 5, PurdueBrad 4, saldana 3, J23 3, CrimsonFox 1, EagleFan 1, dubb93 1)
(399) – PurdueBrad unvotes J23, votes Kwhit (Kwhit 6, PurdueBrad 4, saldana 3, J23 2, CrimsonFox 1, EagleFan 1, dubb93 1)
(402) – Kwhit unvotes saldana, votes PurdueBrad (Kwhit 6, PurdueBrad 5, saldana 2, J23 2, CrimsonFox 1, EagleFan 1, dubb93 1)

I'm looking at this through some scenarios.

Let's suppose KWhit's a wolf. In the lead in voting towards the end of the day he votes Saldana instead of CF or PB. Moves by CF and PB and Path make Saldana and then J23 the contenders after Kwhit. RealDeal and Lathum undo that, pushing PB back to the fore. At which point Schmidty and PB nail Kwhit in the lead.

If Kwhit was bad I can't see this making sense unless CF and PB were also bad. I have to think he would have pushed one of those two instead of heading off in a new direction. If CF, PB and Kwhit were all bad this would make some sense. Thoughts?

I will look at PB being bad next, so nobody get their panties in a bunch please.

[hoopsguy]

This is the first thing you've said that makes sense. Kwhit (as wolf) would know that he were going to die as would the other wolf. and save him. Unless they were already both voting for PB. I'm liking the Kwhit is villager notion. Then again I never suspected him in the first place.

Crimson, there are almost certainly more than two wolves in a game with twenty people.

For better or worse, this statement actually makes me trust you a bit more than the average villager right now. I'm pretty sure a wolf would know their numbers and not make statements that are as seemingly off-base as this one.

[path12]

I've been thinking.

To me, the fact that nobody has come out as the Vengeful God makes me suspect that role belongs to a wolf. If I had it as a villager I would have broadcasted the hell out of it.

So, I've used my role. What's stopping me from making consecutive votes on everyone and seeing who blows me up?

Interested to hear thoughts on this before I decide to try it or not.

[CrimsonFox]

vote RealDeal

Logic: Love/hate guy can be either wolf or village. If he is wolf and learns one person a night that hates him they can orchestrate a way to almost make it impossible to get him voted out by night killing those players and leaving behind the ones that love him.

huh? Don't follow. Lovehate guy does what?

And Darth why are you voting for Realdeal. You said you want to vote for autumn and throw a blind vote to realdeal. None of your voting has made sense.

[CrimsonFox]

Crimson, there are almost certainly more than two wolves in a game with twenty people.

For better or worse, this statement actually makes me trust you a bit more than the average villager right now. I'm pretty sure a wolf would know their numbers and not make statements that are as seemingly off-base as this one.

hmmmm...cleared by stupidity....not sure how to take that :) except that the werewolves will probably gank me now. Thanks a lot :)

[Autumn]

(346) – Autumn votes Kwhit (Kwhit 4, CrimsonFox 3, PurdueBrad 3, EagleFan 2, J23 1, dubb93 1, saldana 1)
(349) – Kwhit votes saldana (Kwhit 4, CrimsonFox 3, PurdueBrad 3, EagleFan 2, saldana 2, J23 1, dubb93 1)
(350) – PurdueBrad unvotes CrimsonFox (Kwhit 4, PurdueBrad 3, CrimsonFox 2, EagleFan 2, saldana 2, J23 1, dubb93 1)
(361) – CrimsonFox unvotes PurdueBrad, votes saldana (Kwhit 4, saldana 3, PurdueBrad 2, CrimsonFox 2, EagleFan 2, J23 1, dubb93 1)
(363) – PurdueBrad votes J23 (Kwhit 4, saldana 3, PurdueBrad 2, CrimsonFox 2, EagleFan 2, J23 2, dubb93 1)
(366) – path12 votes J23 (Kwhit 4, saldana 3, J23 3, PurdueBrad 2, CrimsonFox 2, EagleFan 2, dubb93 1)
(368) – RealDeal unvotes EagleFan, votes PurdueBrad (Kwhit 4, saldana 3, J23 3, PurdueBrad 3, CrimsonFox 2, EagleFan 1, dubb93 1)
(384) – Lathum unvotes CrimsonFox, votes PurdueBrad (Kwhit 4, PurdueBrad 4, saldana 3, J23 3, CrimsonFox 1, EagleFan 1, dubb93 1)
(386) – Schmidty votes Kwhit (Kwhit 5, PurdueBrad 4, saldana 3, J23 3, CrimsonFox 1, EagleFan 1, dubb93 1)
(399) – PurdueBrad unvotes J23, votes Kwhit (Kwhit 6, PurdueBrad 4, saldana 3, J23 2, CrimsonFox 1, EagleFan 1, dubb93 1)
(402) – Kwhit unvotes saldana, votes PurdueBrad (Kwhit 6, PurdueBrad 5, saldana 2, J23 2, CrimsonFox 1, EagleFan 1, dubb93 1)

Looking at it again, let's assume PB was bad. If so it was a litlte bit ballsy to unvote CF at the beginning of this section. He goes J23 instead, and Path helps make that a viable option. CF backs off of PB, which makes it seem he's in the clear. PB then gets two sudden votes and is right up on top. Schmidty saves PB's bacon and then PB moves his vote to KWhit and pads that out.

When it was 4-4, Kwhit and PB still had their votes to move, so would cancel each other out. PB had to depend on others then. If he was bad, Schmidty obviously would be the guy to look at next.

There's nothing as odd in this stretch of voting if you imagine PB is bad. NOT THAT THAT NECESSARILY MEANS ANYTHING.

[hoopsguy]

I've been thinking.

To me, the fact that nobody has come out as the Vengeful God makes me suspect that role belongs to a wolf. If I had it as a villager I would have broadcasted the hell out of it.

So, I've used my role. What's stopping me from making consecutive votes on everyone and seeing who blows me up?

Interested to hear thoughts on this before I decide to try it or not.

My first thought is that you are doing the wolves a favor by not making them come kill you. I would like having you around later in the game as a villager; you make good decisions when there is potentially actionable info on the table.

I'm inclined to agree with the Vengeful God thing; that it is pro-village to share that info early. But if it was someone besides you/Lathum looking for this info, I would be suspicious that it is a wolf trying to flush out a role that is dangerous for them. That is still on the table for you two, but I'm probably 85-90% sure you guys are both villagers.

[Autumn]

I've been thinking.

To me, the fact that nobody has come out as the Vengeful God makes me suspect that role belongs to a wolf. If I had it as a villager I would have broadcasted the hell out of it.

So, I've used my role. What's stopping me from making consecutive votes on everyone and seeing who blows me up?

Interested to hear thoughts on this before I decide to try it or not.

I suppose it prevents us from losing the seer accidentally, but costs us a villager. It would be a great move if the seer hasn't scanned you yet as it would clear Lathum as well. If they are a wolf they'll probably reveal to avoid the axe, but we at least take away that danger. Or they pretend they didn't know anything about it, let you die and then reveal.

I'm not sure, depends how scared we are about the role. It would make sense to insist that player reveal though I think. There's just too slim a chance of catching a wolf with it.

[dubb93]

So, I've used my role. What's stopping me from making consecutive votes on everyone and seeing who blows me up?

Interested to hear thoughts on this before I decide to try it or not.

Before I tried this I'd have to be 100% sure that the vengeful god was a wolf.

[hoopsguy]

hmmmm...cleared by stupidity....not sure how to take that :) except that the werewolves will probably gank me now. Thanks a lot :)

I've cleared for more stupid stuff than this :) Seriously, we all get to figure out why we want to trust above/below the norm for everyone, and my argument here may not hold sway with others. Or with me much later in the game. But it is good enough for today.

[CrimsonFox]

I will look at PB being bad next, so nobody get their panties in a bunch please.

*irons his panties*

There are still lots of silence from people. Almost makes me thin that the best strategy as a wolf is to say nothing and let the fish eat each other.

[path12]

(346) – Autumn votes Kwhit (Kwhit 4, CrimsonFox 3, PurdueBrad 3, EagleFan 2, J23 1, dubb93 1, saldana 1)
(349) – Kwhit votes saldana (Kwhit 4, CrimsonFox 3, PurdueBrad 3, EagleFan 2, saldana 2, J23 1, dubb93 1)
(350) – PurdueBrad unvotes CrimsonFox (Kwhit 4, PurdueBrad 3, CrimsonFox 2, EagleFan 2, saldana 2, J23 1, dubb93 1)
(361) – CrimsonFox unvotes PurdueBrad, votes saldana (Kwhit 4, saldana 3, PurdueBrad 2, CrimsonFox 2, EagleFan 2, J23 1, dubb93 1)
(363) – PurdueBrad votes J23 (Kwhit 4, saldana 3, PurdueBrad 2, CrimsonFox 2, EagleFan 2, J23 2, dubb93 1)
(366) – path12 votes J23 (Kwhit 4, saldana 3, J23 3, PurdueBrad 2, CrimsonFox 2, EagleFan 2, dubb93 1)
(368) – RealDeal unvotes EagleFan, votes PurdueBrad (Kwhit 4, saldana 3, J23 3, PurdueBrad 3, CrimsonFox 2, EagleFan 1, dubb93 1)
(384) – Lathum unvotes CrimsonFox, votes PurdueBrad (Kwhit 4, PurdueBrad 4, saldana 3, J23 3, CrimsonFox 1, EagleFan 1, dubb93 1)
(386) – Schmidty votes Kwhit (Kwhit 5, PurdueBrad 4, saldana 3, J23 3, CrimsonFox 1, EagleFan 1, dubb93 1)
(399) – PurdueBrad unvotes J23, votes Kwhit (Kwhit 6, PurdueBrad 4, saldana 3, J23 2, CrimsonFox 1, EagleFan 1, dubb93 1)
(402) – Kwhit unvotes saldana, votes PurdueBrad (Kwhit 6, PurdueBrad 5, saldana 2, J23 2, CrimsonFox 1, EagleFan 1, dubb93 1)

Looking at it again, let's assume PB was bad. If so it was a litlte bit ballsy to unvote CF at the beginning of this section. He goes J23 instead, and Path helps make that a viable option. CF backs off of PB, which makes it seem he's in the clear. PB then gets two sudden votes and is right up on top. Schmidty saves PB's bacon and then PB moves his vote to KWhit and pads that out.

When it was 4-4, Kwhit and PB still had their votes to move, so would cancel each other out. PB had to depend on others then. If he was bad, Schmidty obviously would be the guy to look at next.

There's nothing as odd in this stretch of voting if you imagine PB is bad. NOT THAT THAT NECESSARILY MEANS ANYTHING.

I kind of get a better feeling about PB after reading that, just because of the move to unvote CF. He had no idea I or anyone else would follow on J23 (though I did say I had suspicions of a group he was part of). I think the wolfier thing would be to try and cement the vote on CF.

Unless CF is bad as well. But even then the sequence is kind of funky.

[hoopsguy]

*irons his panties*

There are still lots of silence from people. Almost makes me thin that the best strategy as a wolf is to say nothing and let the fish eat each other.

This is something that I (and several others) have lamented over the years. It has also spawned, at different times, a "lynch the quiet ones!" philosophy that is kind of harsh but is intended to drive people to post in the thread more.

[path12]

Before I tried this I'd have to be 100% sure that the vengeful god was a wolf.

Can you think of a reason that role wouldn't reveal as a villager? Only thing I can think of is in order to try and lure wolves onto them to vote, but that's a pretty big stretch IMO.

[Autumn]

I kind of get a better feeling about PB after reading that, just because of the move to unvote CF. He had no idea I or anyone else would follow on J23 (though I did say I had suspicions of a group he was part of). I think the wolfier thing would be to try and cement the vote on CF.

Unless CF is bad as well. But even then the sequence is kind of funky.

Yeah, both the main candidates made moves that werne't in their best interest if just trying to get out of a vote. Unless they were both bad, which is in the realm of possibility. I'm inclined to think that we should hope the seer checks these guys out, as I hate to vote on the assumption that we had a group of 2-3 wolves in the running yesterday.

[PurdueBrad]

I will look at PB being bad next, so nobody get their panties in a bunch please.

Nobody told me we were required to wear underwear, so technically my panties are just in a bunch on the bedroom floor.

Actually, I like Autumn's analysis. It in no way clears me, but looking at my play, I feel very comfortable that most will see it for what it was. If Hoops wants to continue to push for yesterday's candidates so be it, lynchings smile at us all, sometimes all we can do is smile back. :)

[Autumn]

Can you think of a reason that role wouldn't reveal as a villager? Only thing I can think of is in order to try and lure wolves onto them to vote, but that's a pretty big stretch IMO.

I think players like going for the big play. So I could imagine a villager holding mum just because it would be "awesome" to catch a wolf this way. I agree it's not a good play, but we've seen similar ones.

[hoopsguy]

I kind of get a better feeling about PB after reading that, just because of the move to unvote CF. He had no idea I or anyone else would follow on J23 (though I did say I had suspicions of a group he was part of). I think the wolfier thing would be to try and cement the vote on CF.

Unless CF is bad as well. But even then the sequence is kind of funky.

Disagree with this one a bit. You had indicated that you suspected the voters on PB. There was a reasonable expectation that you would follow him to whatever one he picked and then he can see where the chips fall after that.

FWIW, right now I think that J23 was the right candidate of the three - me, CF, or J23 - to pick for moving the vote. But he wasn't going to vote for me because he had done it yesterday so he was picking between two candidates. And you had already indicated that you were looking for an alternate candidate than CF, as you had already voted/unvoted him.

I think he made the play he thought was best to bring you along that put him at the least amount of risk. I actually think this was pretty wolfy when I read it.

[CrimsonFox]

This is something that I (and several others) have lamented over the years. It has also spawned, at different times, a "lynch the quiet ones!" philosophy that is kind of harsh but is intended to drive people to post in the thread more.

It's a totally valid strategy in the RL game for sure. If they don't help at all and don't talk at all then they are a hindrance, whether a wolf or not.
Taking them out early is very good practice. If we're going to end up lynching a villager anyway may as well be an unhelpful one.

Which means henry, ntn, jackal, EF, and anyone else I've already forgot....PLEASE SAY SOMETHING!

[J23]

I kind of get a better feeling about PB after reading that, just because of the move to unvote CF. He had no idea I or anyone else would follow on J23 (though I did say I had suspicions of a group he was part of). I think the wolfier thing would be to try and cement the vote on CF.

Unless CF is bad as well. But even then the sequence is kind of funky.

He also had already voted CF earlier that day and could have feared the Vengeful God role. It seems to be affecting a lot of our voting (I know I'm more gunshy because of it). That also may be the reason people haven't gone back to the candidates from earlier days.

[path12]

*irons his panties*

There are still lots of silence from people. Almost makes me thin that the best strategy as a wolf is to say nothing and let the fish eat each other.

Votes tell, eventually. But this is also why people like Autumn are so valuable, whether or not you think it makes them suspicious. I don't always get where he's coming from, but if I'm down to a choice between who is active and someone who isn't I'll almost always go for the latter. Unless I'm a wolf. Or trying not to be predictable. Or something else.

[Autumn]

I'm thinking it's the wisest time to reveal, since I'm the leading vote getter right now. I am the Vampire, which is a good role, but unfortunately one that is probably impossible to demonstrably prove. I'd be happy to trade myself for a wolf if they want to counter reveal though. So I will reveal early enough in the day that no one can say they didn't have time, and so that people can move their votes in a rational fashion.

I wanted to hang on as long as I could before revealing, but no sense ruining a day of voting just to demonstrate that some people thought I was a wolf.

[path12]

Disagree with this one a bit. You had indicated that you suspected the voters on PB. There was a reasonable expectation that you would follow him to whatever one he picked and then he can see where the chips fall after that.

FWIW, right now I think that J23 was the right candidate of the three - me, CF, or J23 - to pick for moving the vote. But he wasn't going to vote for me because he had done it yesterday so he was picking between two candidates. And you had already indicated that you were looking for an alternate candidate than CF, as you had already voted/unvoted him.

I think he made the play he thought was best to bring you along that put him at the least amount of risk. I actually think this was pretty wolfy when I read it.

This could be true, I was certainly trying to single out J23 (though was also interested in seeing more about how people were viewing you). I've been thinking of CF as novice, but now that he has talked about playing offline it makes me reconsider your thoughts about finding out about him sooner rather than later.

[PurdueBrad]

There is a consistent push, albeit subtle enough to keep it from being damning, from Hoops to push me out. My vote is a return to my day 1 vote, this time with the reasoning that he is pushing to lynch my only known good guy (me). If this turns it into a me vs. Hoops showdown tonight, so be it.

The only sticking point, that makes me want to choose one of two others, is that Hoops is still publicly pushing to lynch me which could/would come back to haunt him if he were a wolf. But here's my vote, although I will move if needed in order for it to be relevant.

vote Hoopsguy

[path12]

I'm thinking it's the wisest time to reveal, since I'm the leading vote getter right now. I am the Vampire, which is a good role, but unfortunately one that is probably impossible to demonstrably prove. I'd be happy to trade myself for a wolf if they want to counter reveal though. So I will reveal early enough in the day that no one can say they didn't have time, and so that people can move their votes in a rational fashion.

I wanted to hang on as long as I could before revealing, but no sense ruining a day of voting just to demonstrate that some people thought I was a wolf.

Did you control someone's vote yesterday?

[CrimsonFox]

BTW the reason I voted for PurdueBrad in the first place. Was that after the Lathum/path combo voted for me, he jumped on board. (although he wasn't the only one. And of course since he had a lot of votes, I voted for him to up his total. Him voting for me was convenient in trying to save himself, but I think I wasn't THAT much in trouble yet until he voted for me. Seems suspicious.

[Autumn]

Did you control someone's vote yesterday?

No, I did not. I have control of someone's vote today, but I will not say who at this point as I don't think that's wise.

[dubb93]

I'm going to wait a little bit for a counter reveal against Autumn and if there is none I will be moving my vote. Not real sure where my vote will go, most likely back to Saldana, with the plus that if I end up dead from that vote that will we know 100% that Saldana is the vengeful god and most likely a wolf.

[path12]

BTW the reason I voted for PurdueBrad in the first place. Was that after the Lathum/path combo voted for me, he jumped on board. (although he wasn't the only one. And of course since he had a lot of votes, I voted for him to up his total. Him voting for me was convenient in trying to save himself, but I think I wasn't THAT much in trouble yet until he voted for me. Seems suspicious.

If you put a vote on him to up his total to match yours, why would you find it suspicious that he put a vote on the leader at the time to put some distance between himself and that leader?

[path12]

No, I did not. I have control of someone's vote today, but I will not say who at this point as I don't think that's wise.

What about day 1? Or am I reading the every 2 cycles thing wrong?

[path12]

Dola, I have no issue with you not saying who at this point.

[RealDeal]

huh? Don't follow. Lovehate guy does what?

And Darth why are you voting for Realdeal. You said you want to vote for autumn and throw a blind vote to realdeal. None of your voting has made sense.

I agree Crimson, makes no sense to me either. First, the reasons Eaglefan uses to justify a vote for me don't seem to have anything to do with that I might be a wolf.

Second, I'm not sure how I could "orchestrate" voting for or against me. The vote count against me will be adjusted by whether or not the person is on my love or hate list, but I don't have any ability to control who votes for me. I wish I had that sort of power. My role is frankly dumb, which is why I revealed it.

Eaglefan is a highly experienced player, so this contorted reasoning is beyond odd to me.

Right now, my list of folks from which I will choose my vote is the following: EF, PB and Kwhit. We had two suspects last night, there was a tie, neither got lynched, and so far both those guys are skating free right now. Very short attention span we have.

[RealDeal]

I will say this, though, just to further rattle Eaglefan's grill: Eaglefan is one of the two people I am aware of so far who are on my love list, so he is incapable of having his vote counted against me. :)

[Lathum]

I don't like the overanalysis of "late moves". Remeber that this is an online game and everyone is not online the whole time due to life, school, family, work, etc.



yeah Hoops, god, sometimes you just don't think.

[CrimsonFox]

Very short attention span we have.

Welcome to the game of werewolf :p

[saldana]

I'm going to wait a little bit for a counter reveal against Autumn and if there is none I will be moving my vote. Not real sure where my vote will go, most likely back to Saldana, with the plus that if I end up dead from that vote that will we know 100% that Saldana is the vengeful god and most likely a wolf.

ahh Dubb, my old friend....i of course remember you...[/ricardomontalbanvoice]

i can assure you that you will not die if you vote for me, and I can also assure you that neither will I.

[Autumn]

What about day 1? Or am I reading the every 2 cycles thing wrong?

I saved my ability for day two. I was actually hoping to use it on Granny to create a CoT that way, but then I found out from Danny that the other person wouldn't know that their vote is controlled. Then Granny died.

[Lathum]

i can assure you that you will not die if you vote for me, and I can also assure you that neither will I.

Governor?

[path12]

Governor?

I thought Survivor but that would work as well.

[hoopsguy]

There is a consistent push, albeit subtle enough to keep it from being damning, from Hoops to push me out. My vote is a return to my day 1 vote, this time with the reasoning that he is pushing to lynch my only known good guy (me). If this turns it into a me vs. Hoops showdown tonight, so be it.

The only sticking point, that makes me want to choose one of two others, is that Hoops is still publicly pushing to lynch me which could/would come back to haunt him if he were a wolf. But here's my vote, although I will move if needed in order for it to be relevant.

vote Hoopsguy

I don't think I've been all that subtle, actually. I think you are a wolf, but I would be running a risk voting for anyone a second time. I'm not sure enough that I'm going to make that bet just yet. But I'm hoping that you are scanned sooner rather than later.

This "Vengeful God" thing, and the less discussed "Gladiator" are really cramping my game a little bit in terms of putting pressure on people in the thread. I know that me blowing up or getting dueled = -1 villager, and I don't know that I'm getting a 1:1 trade in the process. Which is frustrating, as I would absolutely take 1:1 if given the chance. But I haven't really worked out what % of certainty (70%, maybe?) that I would consider it worth the risk.

[Lathum]

dola- Does anyone see a reason why the whiney bitch shouldn't reveal? After day 1 their ability is useless and the basically becoe a vanilla villager, but if they are lying there can be a counter.

[Lathum]

I thought Survivor but that would work as well.

true.

[CrimsonFox]

Governor?

I would say Survivor. So I think saldana just prevented himself from being wolfattacked. Then again, he is a wolf so he was already immune to that ;)

[Autumn]

dola- Does anyone see a reason why the whiney bitch shouldn't reveal? After day 1 their ability is useless and the basically becoe a vanilla villager, but if they are lying there can be a counter.

They're not necessarily a villager, I don't think.

[dubb93]

dola- Does anyone see a reason why the whiney bitch shouldn't reveal? After day 1 their ability is useless and the basically becoe a vanilla villager, but if they are lying there can be a counter.

Eh, fine with me. That would be my role.

[dubb93]

They're not necessarily a villager, I don't think.

And I am most definately a villager.

[dubb93]

Unvote Autumn

[path12]

dola- Does anyone see a reason why the whiney bitch shouldn't reveal? After day 1 their ability is useless and the basically becoe a vanilla villager, but if they are lying there can be a counter.

way to kill my awesome role wolves :(

Eh, fine with me. That would be my role.

Interesting. I had taken Jackal's comment after N1 to mean that he was the Whiny Bitch.

[Autumn]

And I am most definately a villager.

I just want to make clear that the Whiny Bitch is not a role that is automatically good. But Dubb says he is ;-)

[Autumn]

Interesting. I had taken Jackal's comment after N1 to mean that he was the Whiny Bitch.

I think he meant he added The Borg idea to the game.

[CrimsonFox]

Does the vengeful god role work immediately when you cast the vote? OR is it saved for the deadline and the overnight stuff?

[Autumn]

I didn't get a chance to decide on a vote before dinner. I will vote later, before deadline of course.

[Lathum]

I think he meant he added The Borg idea to the game.

yeah, I think he met that also.

[The Jackal]

I did mean about my Borg idea, they killed Lathum that night and he was my created character and I was pissed!

[CrimsonFox]

Here's my role, open for tweaking depending on how the balance looks next week.

Borg: Starts the game off as neutral. If targeted at night by any action other than a NK, turns that player into a Borg. The affected player will have their memory wiped and will not know they have been converted, nor think anything malicious happened. Only the original Borg has this power. If at any time the Borg outnumber other players, the Borg win.

Yup here's proof of that. Jackal was merely complaining that the wolves destroyed the person with his role before he got to use it.

[path12]

I think he meant he added The Borg idea to the game.


Oh, OK. I didn't keep track of any of that pregame stuff.

[path12]

Dola, it was fun though to have "Jackal (whiny bitch?)" on my notes.

[CrimsonFox]

unvote Autumn

[CrimsonFox]

Dola, it was fun though to have "Jackal (whiny bitch?)" on my notes.

what's all this "dola" crap?

[path12]

Double dola, it looks almost as good with "Dubb (claims whiny bitch)".

[path12]

what's all this "dola" crap?

I would explain, but you broke up my double dola so screw that.

[dubb93]

Double dola, it looks almost as good with "Dubb (claims whiny bitch)".

:lol:

[The Jackal]

heh i'm not the whiny bitch

[PurdueBrad]

But I'm hoping that you are scanned sooner rather than later.

I'll make scanning me easier. The truth-teller person, if you haven't used your power yet and are so inclined:


I am not a wolf or bad guy in this game.


Otherwise, feel free to scan me tonight.

[path12]

I'll make scanning me easier. The truth-teller person, if you haven't used your power yet and are so inclined:


I am not a wolf or bad guy in this game.


Otherwise, feel free to scan me tonight.

Not to pick on you PB, but man I hate posts like this. There is almost always a point in the game where it is really really nice to have the soothsayer around, and when they jump on a not nearly as important point such as this, well......yeah.

I mean, we're ALL innocent in thread, right?

[path12]

Where the hell has RendeR been?

VOTE RENDER

[CrimsonFox]

Where the hell has RendeR been?

VOTE RENDER


Who's THAT?!?!?!? Dammit! I knew there were people that we;ve forgotten about.

LIst of quiet ones:
Render
henry
j23
Eaglefan
Darth Vilis
The Jackal

[path12]

Noted Jackal in and out of thread with no relevant comment.

I'm now a vanilla villager. Expect me to push, fellas.

[The Jackal]

I'm still here don't worry

[RendeR]

Sorry folks, been sick today and dealing with the little ones. I'm around but I'm taking far too long to catch up on the thread.

I still don't trust hoops, anyone got a read on him?

[J23]

Who's THAT?!?!?!? Dammit! I knew there were people that we;ve forgotten about.

LIst of quiet ones:
Render
henry
j23
Eaglefan
Darth Vilis
The Jackal

I'm around, but work until 5:30-6 EST, so access is severely limited, and with the rate some of you guys post, I can barely keep up with just the reading sometimes :p

If I post during the day, it either means work is really slow(not anytime soon w/ year-end reporting), or it is something brief that I have time to throw out there.

[The Jackal]

Any sort of vote count?

[path12]

Sorry folks, been sick today and dealing with the little ones. I'm around but I'm taking far too long to catch up on the thread.

I still don't trust hoops, anyone got a read on him?

Do you still not trust hoops just because he is hoops or for another reason?

[RendeR]

Do we really need another reason?

[path12]

Do we really need another reason?

Well, meta-wise no. For this game, yeah. :)

[path12]

Day Three:

(503) -- EagleFan votes RealDeal (RealDeal 1)
(507) -- dubb93 votes Autumn (RealDeal 1, Autumn 1)
(511) -- Schmidty votes Autumn (Autumn 2, RealDeal 1)
(522) -- Darth Vilius votes RealDeal (Autumn 2, RealDeal 2)
(531) -- CrimsonFox votes Autumn (Autumn 3, RealDeal 2)
(566) -- Autumn reveals as Vampire
(568) -- PurdueBrad votes hoopsguy (Autumn 3, RealDeal 2, hoopsguy 1)
(589) -- dubb93 reveals as Whiny Bitch (god, that won't ever get old)
(591) -- dubb93 unvotes Autumn (Autumn 2, RealDeal 2, hoopsguy 1)
(602) -- CrimsonFox unvotes Autumn (RealDeal 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1)
(610) -- path12 votes RendeR (RealDeal 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, RendeR 1)

[hoopsguy]

Among the current candidates, my vote would 100% be going to RendeR. And that was before he said that he wanted to vote me for my username.

- not self-voting
- not voting Autumn as unchallenged good role
- not immediately going to vote for player who has declared an unchallenged role, even if it really does not have a bearing on his faction. Especially when he (RD) was under zero pressure at the time of his reveal.


In terms of other people in the game, I won't be considering a vote today for:
- Path12
- Lathum
- CrimsonFox

I would need to be pretty damn sure to take a shot at PB, but since there hasn't been proof offered one way or another on him that probably leaves me bypassing him.

Anyway, heading home for the day now and will get a vote in somewhere in the hour leading up to deadline.

[EagleFan]

huh? Don't follow. Lovehate guy does what?

And Darth why are you voting for Realdeal. You said you want to vote for autumn and throw a blind vote to realdeal. None of your voting has made sense.

RealDeal learns who hates him which means those votes count double and those who love him don't count at all. If he is a wolf the wolves could use that to their advantage by eliminating the ones who hate him. He learns one a night which would give them their target for the next night. Eliminate enough haters and make it next to impossible to get him lynched.



Who's THAT?!?!?!? Dammit! I knew there were people that we;ve forgotten about.

LIst of quiet ones:
Render
henry
j23
Eaglefan
Darth Vilis
The Jackal

One of the quiet ones? As of last night I had the 2nd most posts in the thread? Very little time to post while at work (or sleeping) so here I am now. :)

[path12]

My "not getting a vote from me today list" is kind of similar:

Autumn
RealDeal (though I think I see what EF was getting at, the fact that the reveal was unprovoked and unchallenged as of yet drops him down my priority list)
Lathum
dubb (same reason as RD)

Now, I mainly voted RendeR just to get him to say something, so that could very well change. Mainly I'm tempted to go after a low poster for the lynch in order to try and get a little more discussion going.......though I'm looking for more than "yeah, I'm around".

[Autumn]

EagleFan and RendeR are two I'm looking at from day one, they had instrumental votes in putting DT and Hoops first in the running. Which doesn't mean anything much, but something.

Similarly, I'm looking at Hoops based on day one, and of course I'd like to know about KWhit and PB. KWhit seems much less likely to turn up wolf at this point, so I would probably go PB if I voted there.

Going after a quiet one is always tempting too. I hope we hear more from people tonight.

[EagleFan]

RealDeal (though I think I see what EF was getting at, the fact that the reveal was unprovoked and unchallenged as of yet drops him down my priority list)


Why would unchallenged make a difference? I am not claiming this as a fake reveal, just that it could be a dangerous role if he is a wolf with that role and they are allowed to take out anyone on his hate list each night.

[Autumn]

Who's THAT?!?!?!? Dammit! I knew there were people that we;ve forgotten about.

LIst of quiet ones:
Render
henry
j23
Eaglefan
Darth Vilis
The Jackal

I think it's funny that within 13 minutes of posting this three of these folks posted. Do we really have to put your name on a list to suggest we want to hear from you?

And yeah, EagleFan doesn't belong on this list. All of these guys are suspect to me, but probably just because we haven't heard anything from them.

[CrimsonFox]

Can all villagers please post if they were ever put on ice by the mobster. Granted I know you can't post WHILE ON ICE and you won't know who the mobster is. But if ever that happens, let us know once you've come up for air.

[saldana]

lets see how this plays out.

vote render

[Lathum]

Can all villagers please post if they were ever put on ice by the mobster. Granted I know you can't post WHILE ON ICE and you won't know who the mobster is. But if ever that happens, let us know once you've come up for air.

Why wouldn't they?

[path12]

EagleFan and RendeR are two I'm looking at from day one, they had instrumental votes in putting DT and Hoops first in the running. Which doesn't mean anything much, but something.



RendeR's first day vote pinged me as well, and I was suspicious about his KWhit vote until I noticed it was early and the first one which makes it not as notable for me. But I just don't remember him being as quiet as he's been and that was why I wanted to hear more from him today.

[CrimsonFox]

RendeR's first day vote pinged me as well, and I was suspicious about his KWhit vote until I noticed it was early and the first one which makes it not as notable for me. But I just don't remember him being as quiet as he's been and that was why I wanted to hear more from him today.

UNLESS Render as wolf's vote was the FIRST kwhit vote and another werewolf made a late kwhit vote, thus spreading out the wolves.

[path12]

Why would unchallenged make a difference? I am not claiming this as a fake reveal, just that it could be a dangerous role if he is a wolf with that role and they are allowed to take out anyone on his hate list each night.

Eh, you're right about the unchallenged part. But unprovoked means enough for me to pass for today......if that was the strategy going on, why come out and reveal without having to? Just do your plan behind the scenes.

[CrimsonFox]

Why wouldn't they?

why wouldn't they what?

[ntndeacon]

So we know who the whiny bitch is. I only wish we had found that out day one. It would have been funny to see that on thier signature.

[EagleFan]

Thinking out loud now....

We have:

Most Trusted: Lathum, path12, EagleFan (if I can't trust myself, who can I trust)

Close to Most Trusted (barring counter reveal): Autumn

Leaning towards good: KWhit, CrimsonFox, PurdueBrad

Reveals that mean nothing yet (could be either side): dubb93, RealDeal


Uncertain: The rest

[CrimsonFox]

Who's THAT?!?!?!? Dammit! I knew there were people that we;ve forgotten about.

LIst of quiet ones:
Render
henry
j23
Eaglefan
Darth Vilis
The Jackal

Thanks for reminding me. Add ntndeacon to the list. Sorry to leave you off, but well, you've been quiet so I forgot about you. :)

[J23]

I think it's funny that within 13 minutes of posting this three of these folks posted. Do we really have to put your name on a list to suggest we want to hear from you?

And yeah, EagleFan doesn't belong on this list. All of these guys are suspect to me, but probably just because we haven't heard anything from them.

If I'm asked something, I'll answer if I'm around. That's a lot easier when I'm not at work. I try to only post when I feel like I actually have something to contribute that hasn't been brought up previously, like my post earlier today about PB's re-vote yesterday.

[ntndeacon]

first week of classes tend to suck time outta me. I wont even be on much tonight.

[ntndeacon]

question on the mobster. being on ice does not keep them from voting I assume.

[Autumn]

I'd like to suggest we slow down on the reveals. We don't need to make things easier for the wolves.

[CrimsonFox]

question on the mobster. being on ice does not keep them from voting I assume.

I was thinking it DOES prevent them from voting since the mob has them in ice. Danny?

[CrimsonFox]

I'd like to suggest we slow down on the reveals. We don't need to make things easier for the wolves.

I'd like to reveal that...i like rice

[path12]

Heading home, be back sometime before deadline.

[J23]

I'll make scanning me easier. The truth-teller person, if you haven't used your power yet and are so inclined:


I am not a wolf or bad guy in this game.


Otherwise, feel free to scan me tonight.

Something to consider, the soothsayer can be a wolf unless I'm mistaken. Unfortunately, that means they can't really clear anyone w/ their power until they've been scanned and proven good.

[Autumn]

question on the mobster. being on ice does not keep them from voting I assume.

If they haven't voted yet, at least. I presume if htey have voted it will stand.

[The Jackal]

Does someone have the post numbers or a summary of who revealed as what? I'm trying to babysit and catch up and other stuff here.

[ntndeacon]

Well I am about to be out until late this evening, so I need to make a desicion. I really am not thrilled about the choices currently out there. Well maybe Render, but basically for the same reason I might be voted for.

[ntndeacon]

Vote henry Solely because he has posted the least.

[PurdueBrad]

Not to pick on you PB, but man I hate posts like this. There is almost always a point in the game where it is really really nice to have the soothsayer around, and when they jump on a not nearly as important point such as this, well......yeah.

I mean, we're ALL innocent in thread, right?

See, and my feeling is that the best play here is to get as many players as you can to put out the "I'm not a wolf" line and let the soothsayer pick and either get lucky or clear one.

Although EF makes a good point, we have no idea which way the soothsayer swings so it doesn't matter.

[dubb93]

Vote Saldana

Based on the information I posted yesterday. I still feel solid that he is a wolf.

[dubb93]

Plus I want to check if he is Vengeful God since it seems to be the general consensus that the vengeful god is a wolf at this point. I would gladly trade myself for a wolf at this point.

[Lathum]

why wouldn't they what?

tell us they were iced.

[RealDeal]

vote count?

[EagleFan]

I think this is right, let me know if I missed anything:

(461) – RealDeal reveals as Love/Hate Guy
(503) – EagleFan votes RealDeal (RealDeal 1)
(507) – dubb93 votes Autumn (RealDeal 1, Autumn 1)
(511) – Schmidty votes Autumn (Autumn 2, RealDeal 1)
(512) – Darth Vilus votes RealDeal (Autumn 2, RealDeal 2)
(531) – CrimsonFox votes Autumn (Autumn 3, RealDeal 2)
(566) – Autumn reveals as Vampire
(568) – PurdueBrad votes hoopsguy (Autumn 3, RealDeal 2, hoopsguy 1)
(590) – dubb93 reveals as whiny bitch
(591) – dubb93 unvotes Autumn (Autumn 2, RealDeal 2, hoopsguy 1)
(602) – CrimsonFox unvotes Autumn (RealDeal 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1)
(610) – path12 votes RendeR (RealDeal 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, RendeR 1)
(628) – saldana votes RendeR (RealDeal 2, RendeR 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1)
(648) – ntndeacon votes henry296 (RealDeal 2, RendeR 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, henry296 1)
(650) – dubb93 votes saldana (RealDeal 2, RendeR 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, henry296 1, saldana 1)

[Autumn]

Man, this is a weird day. I don't really know where to go, but don't have long to decide. I think we have something like RealDeal 2, Render 2, hoops 1, autumn 1, saldana 1, PB 1 and someone else 1

[Autumn]

dola

or yeah, that

[Autumn]

I'm going to go with my gut here.

<b>VOTE SALDANA</b>

[CrimsonFox]

tell us they were iced.

Cause they can't tell us ANYTHING while they are iced. That's what being iced means :)

[Lathum]

Cause they can't tell us ANYTHING while they are iced. That's what being iced means :)

I get what you ean. My point is why wouldn't someone tell us after the become thawed out.

[CrimsonFox]

Plus I want to check if he is Vengeful God since it seems to be the general consensus that the vengeful god is a wolf at this point. I would gladly trade myself for a wolf at this point.


I wanna see if you explode now :)

[The Jackal]

The lack of votes on RD is interesting. A role that could be a wolf vs some unknowns, hrm. I want to see what happens when I do this:

VOTE RD

I will be around for most of the hour so it is open to move.

[The Jackal]

Lack of votes after an early push, is what I was going for.

[RealDeal]

I would vote for PB if I could, but since I seem to be on the stake tonight for reasons that make no sense to me, I'll vote for Saldana. I don't actually think Saldana is likely to be a wolf.

I can't help but note the irony of revealing my role voluntarily to help the villagers by at least giving us the one smidgen of info I had, and having people take that information and decide it means they should lynch me. Next time, I guess I should just not say anything.

The only "evidence" against me is something I provided voluntarily!

vote Saldana

[Lathum]

Why are people voting Saldana. If he is to be believed the survivor why would we want to help the wolves out?

[EagleFan]

unvote RealDeal

vote RendeR

Willing to wait on RealDeal; after thinking about the "why would he even reveal" question. RendeR has not been RendeR, maybe just RL keeping him away but nothing that seems normal RendeR'ish.

[RealDeal]

I'm voting Saldana to save my own butt. I do not think he is a wolf and would not vote for him if I didnt have to.

[EagleFan]

Why are people voting Saldana. If he is to be believed the survivor why would we want to help the wolves out?

Just being survivor doesn't make him a villager.

[dubb93]

I'm voting Saldana to save my own butt. I do not think he is a wolf and would not vote for him if I didnt have to.

Then why did you vote Saldana rather than Render?

[Autumn]

I actually had forgotten about the Survivor thing. That's conjecture, but a good point. I'd hate to waste a lynch.

[hoopsguy]

I don't think I'm going to have a chance to come back before deadline, but I wanted to make sure to get a vote in.

A quick read suggests that the leading candidates are RealDeal, Saldana, and RendeR. I already said I was going to vote RendeR over RealDeal, and I feel the same way versus Saldana, albeit not as decisively.

VOTE RENDER

[The Jackal]

I would like to hear from RendeR, and also have no issue with him being the lynch.

[henry296]

Finally caught up.

I fully undersand the risks I take given my schedule and don' faul anyone for voting for me. However, it also doesn' make me a wolf.

My trust list:

Lathum / Path - Horrible move by path if he was wolf.
Autumn - no counter reveal and known good role.
RealDeal - No reason to reveal even though could be wolf and EagleFan's theory is very good
EagleFan - I like his though process and willingness to reconsider
PurdueBrad / Kwhit - my gut feel is both are good. The tie was good fortunate for us.

Other players:
Saldana - Definitely has some type of role and worth savings for a couple of days.

Dubb - reveal as whiny bitch. Doesn't prove anything.

Hoops - He plays the same way as wolf or villager so I can't tell yet.

Therefore, based on making a vote that matters, I'm going to go with

VOTE RENDER

[Autumn]

I don't want to risk a no lynch if Saldana is the survivor, though I'm not sure i believe that yet. I can't see voting Real Deal just for his role, though I can understand the concern (he'd be a decent scan). I don't want a runaway on RendeR so I'm going to try to go another direction.

<b>Vote PurdueBrad</b>

[Autumn]

Make that

<b>unvote saldana
vote purduebrad</b>

[path12]

I don't want to risk a no lynch if Saldana is the survivor, though I'm not sure i believe that yet. I can't see voting Real Deal just for his role, though I can understand the concern (he'd be a decent scan). I don't want a runaway on RendeR so I'm going to try to go another direction.

<b>Vote PurdueBrad</b>

If you're trying to prevent a runaway (the wisdom of which I wonder about anyway with double votes and all), why pick a guy with no votes on him?

[RealDeal]

unvote Saldana

vote Render

More self-preservation.

[Lathum]

vote count?

[PurdueBrad]

Looks like I picked up a couple of votes as the deadline nears again. Well, I am going to move to have a relevant vote as my Hoopsguy vote does not seem to have legs. I'm leaning real deal but we'll see.

unvote hoopsguy

[Autumn]

If you're trying to prevent a runaway (the wisdom of which I wonder about anyway with double votes and all), why pick a guy with no votes on him?

Well, I know there are some who would be willing to vote for PB. I'm interested to see who actually is and who they will choose. I also am a vampire.

[EagleFan]

RendeR 6, saldana 2, RealDeal 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, henry296 1, PurdueBrad 1

[Lathum]

oh wow, didn't realize it was such a runaway.

Vote PB

[PurdueBrad]

RendeR 6, saldana 2, RealDeal 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, henry296 1, PurdueBrad 1

Not to really trumpet this but aren't there 3 votes on me? One from earlier and two in the last few posts?

[PurdueBrad]

Never mind, I'm wrong. There are 2 on me.

[EagleFan]

Not to really trumpet this but aren't there 3 votes on me? One from earlier and two in the last few posts?

Who voted you earlier, I missed that.

The two recent were both Autumn, he forgot to unvote.

[path12]

Well, I know there are some who would be willing to vote for PB. I'm interested to see who actually is and who they will choose. I also am a vampire.

Oh yeah, forgot about the vampire thing.

Just another reminder -- a semi-runaway isn't a bad thing here. The closer the vote, the bigger the chance for a tie with discounted votes, etc. Like yesterday.

[CrimsonFox]

No. You are seeing Autumn voting twice in a row :) Well he forgot to unvote so he unvoted and revoted for you.

[PurdueBrad]

I don't have anything on RendeR so of the choices available, I'll vote

vote Real Deal

[EagleFan]

If I missed a PB vote let me know.

Why the "quasi" run on PB? Did I miss somethng?

[PurdueBrad]

No, I misread something EF, it's just Autumn and Lathum.

Autumn, out of curiosity, why vote me?

[CrimsonFox]

Okay I'll bow to others' knowledge of Render acting "different" as well as the fact that he's one of my pet peeve "quiet people".

VOTE RENDER

DOn't want another tie either.

[path12]

Vote henry Solely because he has posted the least.

This is hilarious.

[path12]

So I'm seeing RendeR 7, RD & PB at 3. Right?

[EagleFan]

This is hilarious.

kind of a pot/kettle moment... ;)

[Autumn]

I'm out with the wife now. Will catch up and reply later.

[EagleFan]

So I'm seeing RendeR 7, RD & PB at 3. Right?

Who did I miss on PB? I see 2.

[CrimsonFox]

So I'm seeing RendeR 7, RD & PB at 3. Right?

PB and Saldana have 2

[path12]

Oh, I've got three because I'm assuming Autumn brings along whoever he bit today.

[CrimsonFox]

*giggles giddily*
Vampire was my idea :)

[PurdueBrad]

Do we find out who Autumn bit with the final vote count or does it stay secret?

[CrimsonFox]

Danny said before that everything special was a secret.

[EagleFan]

(461) – RealDeal reveals as Love/Hate Guy
(503) – EagleFan votes RealDeal (RealDeal 1)
(507) – dubb93 votes Autumn (RealDeal 1, Autumn 1)
(511) – Schmidty votes Autumn (Autumn 2, RealDeal 1)
(512) – Darth Vilus votes RealDeal (Autumn 2, RealDeal 2)
(531) – CrimsonFox votes Autumn (Autumn 3, RealDeal 2)
(566) – Autumn reveals as Vampire
(568) – PurdueBrad votes hoopsguy (Autumn 3, RealDeal 2, hoopsguy 1)
(590) – dubb93 reveals as whiny bitch
(591) – dubb93 unvotes Autumn (Autumn 2, RealDeal 2, hoopsguy 1)
(602) – CrimsonFox unvotes Autumn (RealDeal 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1)
(610) – path12 votes RendeR (RealDeal 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, RendeR 1)
(628) – saldana votes RendeR (RealDeal 2, RendeR 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1)
(648) – ntndeacon votes henry296 (RealDeal 2, RendeR 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, henry296 1)
(650) – dubb93 votes saldana (RealDeal 2, RendeR 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, henry296 1, saldana 1)
(657) – Autumn votes saldana (RealDeal 2, RendeR 2, saldana 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, henry296 1)
(661) – The Jackal votes RealDeal (RealDeal 3, RendeR 2, saldana 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, henry296 1)
(663) – RealDeal votes saldana (RealDeal 3, saldana 3, RendeR 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, henry296 1)
(665) – EagleFan unvotes RealDeal, votes RendeR (saldana 3, RendeR 3, RealDeal 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, henry296 1)
(670) – hoopsguy votes RendeR (RendeR 4, saldana 3, RealDeal 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, henry296 1)
(672) – henry296 votes RendeR (RendeR 5, saldana 3, RealDeal 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, henry296 1)
(674) – Autumn unvotes saldana, votes PurdueBrad (RendeR 5, saldana 2, RealDeal 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, henry296 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(676) – RealDeal unvotes saldana, votes RendeR (RendeR 6, saldana 2, RealDeal 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, henry296 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(678) – PurdueBrad unvotes hoopsguy (RendeR 6, saldana 2, RealDeal 2, Autumn 1, henry296 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(681) – Lathum votes PurdueBrad (RendeR 6, saldana 2, RealDeal 2, PurdueBrad 2, Autumn 1, henry296 1)
(687) – PurdueBrad votes RealDeal (RendeR 6, RealDeal 3, saldana 2, PurdueBrad 2, Autumn 1, henry296 1)
(690) – CrimsonFox votes RendeR (RendeR 7, RealDeal 3, saldana 2, PurdueBrad 2, Autumn 1, henry296 1)

[Danny]

Here, crazy busy day today, didnt have a minute to stop on to post at all. I will go through everything and begin to process stuff, but I am going to trust you guys on the vote count.

[Danny]

Never mind, doesn't look like we have a good vote count, though EF has the vote log. Of someone does have a specific vote count, please post it.

[path12]

I would feel better if there had been some sort of move to save RendeR.

[hoopsguy]

Just had a scare there ... had a PM waiting for me on refresh.

(gasp of suspense)

But it was just the "I'm With Stupid" answers from someone. New one is up, for those who participate in that FOFC game.

[EagleFan]

I have a bad feeling abou this one.

Also, just noticed my count is off by one on saldana, I didn;t subtract one when RealDeal unvoted him.

[J23]

Just got back on. I think I share your bad feeling EF. :/

[EagleFan]

Render 7 - CrimsonFox, RealDeal, henry296, hoopsguy, EagleFan, saldana, path12

RealDeal 3 - PurdueBrad, The Jackal, Darth Vilus

PurdueBrad 2 - Lathum, Autumn

saldana 1 - dubb93

Autumn 1 - Schmidty

henry296 1 - ntndeacon

[EagleFan]

More no votes and two throw away votes.

[J23]

Yeah, I had a no vote. I passed out on my couch after I ate dinner and woke up to the realization that I probably missed deadline (which I did).

[EagleFan]

Yeah, I had a no vote. I passed out on my couch after I ate dinner and woke up to the realization that I probably missed deadline (which I did).

Been there... :)

[Danny]

Final vote count

7 Render – (Path 610, Saldana 628, EagleFan 665, Hoopsguy 670, Henry 672, Real Deal 676, CrimsonFox 690)
2 Saldana – (Dubb 650, )
3 RealDeal – (Darth Vilus 512, Jackal 661, PurdueBrad 687)
2 PurdueBrad – (Autumn 674, Lathum 681)
1 Henry – (ntndeacon 648)
1 Autumn – (Schmidty 511)


Edited had a couple mistakes.

[dubb93]

More no votes and two throw away votes.

I had my vote on Saldana when he was tied for the lead. Just b/c other people changed their votes doesn't mean my vote was a throw away vote.

[EagleFan]

I had my vote on Saldana when he was tied for the lead. Just b/c other people changed their votes doesn't mean my vote was a throw away vote.

Wasn't including your vote as a throw away vote, said 2 of them... you whiny bi@##$

;)

[dubb93]

And I still think Saldana is a wolf due to his day 2 antics. His cryptic statements today didn't do a whole lot to change my opinion of him.

[dubb93]

Wasn't including your vote as a throw away vote, said 2 of them... you whiny bi@##$

;)

:lol:

[hoopsguy]

I'll hold off on using that term w/Dubb until next game ;)

[Danny]

You all decide to lynch Render, but then all of a sudden he breaks into song.

Now that you're out of my life
I'm so much better
You thought that I'd be weak without you
But I'm stronger
You thought that I'd be broke without you
But I'm richer
You thought that I'd be sad without you
I laugh harder
You thought I wouldn't grow without you
Now I'm wiser
Though that I'd be helpless without you
But I'm smarter
You thought that I'd be stressed without you
But I'm chillin'
You thought I wouldn't sell without you
Sold 9 million

I'm a survivor (What?)
I'm not gon give up (What?)
I'm not gon stop (What?)
I'm gon work harder (What?)
I'm a survivor (What?)
I'm gonna make it (What?)
I will survive (What?)
Keep on survivin' (What?)

I'm a survivor (What?)
I'm not gon give up (What?)
I'm not gon stop (What?)
I'm gon work harder (What?)
I'm a survivor (What?)
I'm gonna make it (What?)
I will survive (What?)
Keep on survivin' (What?)

Thought I couldn't breathe without you
I'm inhaling
You thought I couldn't see without you
Perfect vision
You thought I couldn't last without you
But I'm lastin'
You thought that I would die without you
But I'm livin'
Thought that I would fail without you
But I'm on top
Thought it would be over by now
But it won't stop
Thought that I would self destruct
But I'm still here
Even in my years to come
I'm still gon be here

I'm a survivor (What?)
I'm not gon give up (What?)
I'm not gon stop (What?)
I'm gon work harder (What?)
I'm a survivor (What?)
I'm gonna make it (What?)
I will survive (What?)
Keep on survivin' (What?)

I'm a survivor (What?)
I'm not gon give up (What?)
I'm not gon stop (What?)
I'm gon work harder (What?)
I'm a survivor (What?)
I'm gonna make it (What?)
I will survive (What?)
Keep on survivin' (What?)

I'm wishin' you the best
Pray that you are blessed
Bring much success, no stress, and lots of happiness
(I'm better than that)
I'm not gon blast you on the radio
(I'm better than that)
I'm not gon lie on you and your family
(I'm better than that)
I'm not gon hate on you in the magazines
('m better than that)
I'm not gon compromise my Christianity
(I'm better than that)
You know I'm not gon diss you on the internet
Cause my mama taught me better than that

I'm a survivor (What?)
I'm not gon give up (What?)
I'm not gon stop (What?)
I'm gon work harder (What?)
I'm a survivor (What?)
I'm gonna make it (What?)
I will survive (What?)
Keep on survivin' (What?)

I'm a survivor (What?)
I'm not gon give up (What?)
I'm not gon stop (What?)
I'm gon work harder (What?)
I'm a survivor (What?)
I'm gonna make it (What?)
I will survive (What?)
Keep on survivin' (What?)

(Beyonce)
Oh (oh) oh (oh)...

After of all of the darkness and sadness
Soon comes happiness
If I surround my self with positive things
I'll gain prosperity

I'm a survivor (What?)
I'm not gon give up (What?)
I'm not gon stop (What?)
I'm gon work harder (What?)
I'm a survivor (What?)
I'm gonna make it (What?)
I will survive (What?)
Keep on survivin' (What?)

[Danny]

You all are so mesmerized by his performance that you decide to keep him around another day

[PurdueBrad]

You all are so mesmerized by his performance that you decide to keep him around another day

Encore, encore, sing "Single Ladies" next.:popcorn:

[dubb93]

I have no idea what to say...

[dubb93]

That was probably the most shocking lynch result post ever to me. That has to rival Abe's train that killed the bodyguard in terms of what the fahell. And both for very different reasons.

[path12]

What the hell does it take to lynch someone around here?

[Danny]

Are the bad guys really wolves?

Maybe they are cowboys?

EagleFan has been killed, he was the seer

[EagleFan]

:( good luck village

[dubb93]

FUCK

[hoopsguy]

What the hell does it take to lynch someone around here?

The good news is that it prolongs the game for the roled villagers (well, technically that is all of them but you get what I mean) to provide us with a break or two.

If we were getting lynches we could be looking at a big hole right now.

[RealDeal]

I was slutted tonight, which is nonsensical. Considering my role, there are no activities I do, so I can't really be prevented from doing anything anyway.

[hoopsguy]

FUCK

Time to go post-diving, I guess. Hopefully if the wolves saw something then there is something for us to find as well.

[Schmidty]

Well, I just got back from Avatar.

We are screwed.

[hoopsguy]

Well, I just got back from Avatar.

We are screwed.

Most games I would agree. But with all the roles that are in play for this one? I still think that we could make a really good run at this; just need some things to break right during the day.

[hoopsguy]

I have a bad feeling abou this one.

Sure, you saw your own death coming but couldn't leave us a damn trust list?

:mad:
:rant:
:banghead:


:confused::confused::confused: = Hoopsguy

[PurdueBrad]

Thinking out loud now....

We have:

Most Trusted: Lathum, path12, EagleFan (if I can't trust myself, who can I trust)

Close to Most Trusted (barring counter reveal): Autumn

Leaning towards good: KWhit, CrimsonFox, PurdueBrad

Reveals that mean nothing yet (could be either side): dubb93, RealDeal


Uncertain: The rest

This is what EF left us.

[PurdueBrad]

So, given that, I will not be pressing Lathum, path, or Autumn. That leaves the rest of you guys, but at least it is a couple we can excuse.

[hoopsguy]

With that in mind, I would guess that he scanned

Night 1 - PurdueBrad (rivalry WW player)
Night 2 - one of Lathum/Path
Night 3 - KWhit

That is speculation, but I'm guessing that the leaning toward on Autumn = unchallenged and CF on reasoning I had earlier.

I'll look at his posts first thing this morning to see if there is anything to back this speculation.

[CrimsonFox]

What the hell does it take to lynch someone around here?

*pulls out a gun and shoots Render*

There!

[PurdueBrad]

He wouldn't have gotten N3 results though. I would agree though that he went Lathum or Path one night

[hoopsguy]

Danny, please update the thread title.

K, thx.

[hoopsguy]

He wouldn't have gotten N3 results though. I would agree though that he went Lathum or Path one night

Dur - OK, I want to see if there was one of you two that he trusted more than he should have. For example, did he ever put a D2/D3 vote on you?

But you are right; I'm guessing he did not get both you and KWhit scanned.

[Danny]

Danny, please update the thread title.

K, thx.

done

[PurdueBrad]

Dur - OK, I want to see if there was one of you two that he trusted more than he should have. For example, did he ever put a D2/D3 vote on you?

But you are right; I'm guessing he did not get both you and KWhit scanned.

He had a vote on me one of the first two days (have to look back) but he questioned why people were voting for me today twice I believe.

[hoopsguy]

EF voting record:

D1 - DT (#162)
D2 - Autumn (#247), PB (#304), KWhit (#335)
D3 - RealDeal (#503), RendeR (#665)

[KWhit]

Hello all.

I was put on ice last night and have been unable to post or vote all day today.

I'm back now, FWIW.

[PurdueBrad]

Day 2 he was on me but moved to KWhit. I'm *guessing* a night one scan of Path and possibly night two scan of me since he never came back to pushing for a repeat of the N2 candidates.

[KWhit]

Day 2 he was on me but moved to KWhit. I'm *guessing* a night one scan of Path and possibly night two scan of me since he never came back to pushing for a repeat of the N2 candidates.

Yeah, he could have scanned either one of us N2.

[PurdueBrad]

Yeah, he could have scanned either one of us N2.

Agreed, I was leaning towards me because of his questioning a couple times votes for me but that's a reach, I would guess coinflip between us.

[KWhit]

Why are people voting Saldana. If he is to be believed the survivor why would we want to help the wolves out?

Why were people thinking Saldana was the survivor?

[hoopsguy]

Not much time to post at the moment but I'll throw in some random thoughts.


The PB run after my vote makes me uneasy. My overall feel has PB leaning towards villager, just a gut reaction so far though.


My KWhit vote has been explained, figuring there may be a wolf in the DT voters and I can rule myself out of that equation and it's probably safe to rule Lathum out (I can't imagine that path would make that play as a wolf).

This was posted today at 12:30 PM EST. So I think that does help support the idea of PB = villager.

It also supports the idea of me feeling a little dumber for being gung-ho on PB the last two days.

Will keep looking for more info in his posts ...

[CrimsonFox]

ahh Dubb, my old friend....i of course remember you...[/ricardomontalbanvoice]

i can assure you that you will not die if you vote for me, and I can also assure you that neither will I.

THIS was the post in question that made us think Saldana was the survivor. SOmeone thought Governor first, but that's not a sure thing that saldana was suggesting. COuld be read as trying to throw people off the scent of a wolf that he was already suspected of being by lying about being the survivor.

[hoopsguy]

No luck finding anything else definite on N2 scan in EF's D3 posts. Will go through the D2 stuff tomorrow.