WW 100: Game over!

[path12]

Again if Path is bad then Lathum has to be bad. If Lathum is bad then Path has to bad. Those are absolutes. It is a stretch to think both of them are bad at this point I would say but if they both continue to hang around it is something that may need to be considered going forward.


It made sense to me not to be a night target to this point given that I used my power early, but as the game goes onward and the other roles that still have use are picked off then I'd expect my bullseye to get larger.

Quick question since I've also got limited time today -- any idea if ntn's votes on henry were early or late?

[Darth Vilus]

Darth, I'm not deliberately trying to pump you for information that you don't want to give but since you are bound and determined to lynch me I think I'm entitled to some back-and-forth ...

Have you scanned anyone as villager? Have you run witness on anyone yet? Or has every other day out of the six been some kind of bodyguard action?

It would seem that you might have options to provide support for other villagers based on your actions, even if it is only to suggest that someone was inactive for an evening.

I'm not trying to railroad you here; no one has challenged your claim of being the Schizo so I'm assuming you are. But I'm baffled by the way you are playing it, even if you weren't coming at me with bogus intel.

If I had any other relevant information to help the village believe me that I would share it.

Vote Hoopsguy

[dubb93]

Vote Schmidty

I don't believe that Jackal was being truthful when he cleared Schmidty and I can't believe that there is any way that as a villager Schmidty would ice KWhit the day after he was nearly lynched and then ice me to IMO, make me think that Saldana had done it to shut me up. I just can't see any way that Schmidty is a villager.

[PurdueBrad]

Quick question since I've also got limited time today -- any idea if ntn's votes on henry were early or late?

Both were late. The first was basically inconsequential and the second did help nail henry's coffin (however you can argue, watching the votes, the tide had turned already).

[Darth Vilus]

I don't think so just because he's got Lathum and I on his top line with him. He only got two scans in before dying, right?

On another topic, I do want to engage DV a little more on his role, especially before putting a vote down on hoops.

Specifically, a recap of his night actions and reasonings for choosing the folks he has.

I chose the players based on either how well I can read them, or the trouble they've given me in the past such as being a hard wolf to catch or having a role they used to the best of its ability.

In a sense how dangerous they can potentially be

[PurdueBrad]

Darth, a quick question. If Hoops turns up as a villager after a lynch, are you going to hide behind the "it must have been a fake scan" excuse? You seem pretty deadset, so what I guess I want to know is how are you so sure?

[Darth Vilus]

I had a feeling about hoops beforehand, a strong feeling. That was why i scanned him in the first place. My gut along with the scan tells me hoops is a wolf

[dubb93]

along with the scan

What is it with this scan? Am I missing something or the way Danny described that role could it be 50/50 wolf or villager no matter who is scanned. I mean if you role actual seer you will get the players true role, if you roll false seer you get the the players false role. Considering there are only two, wolf and villager, that means that no matter who you scan with this role it is a 50/50 you will learn that they are a wolf. I mean, that would be like me flipping a coin for each person in the game and using that to decide if they are a wolf or villager. How is this scan even being considered as evidence at all? Like I said you are a viable BG for us. Trying to pass yourself off as a seer when your scans will 50% of the time show the opposite of someones true roll is just crazy.

[dubb93]

Guys I found a quarter and used it to determine the following are villagers:

RendeR
Schmidty
Jackal
Dubb
Path
KWhit

And these are the wolves:

Hoops
Darth
Lathum
PB
NtN

See it is just as stupid when I use something equally as viable as the Schizo scans.

[KWhit]

Guys I found a quarter and used it to determine the following are villagers:

RendeR
Schmidty
Jackal
Dubb
Path
KWhit

And these are the wolves:

Hoops
Darth
Lathum
PB
NtN

See it is just as stupid when I use something equally as viable as the Schizo scans.

This I agree with. The schizo scan is useless. It is worthless. My vote for Hoops is not based on the scan at all. It's just gut for the most part.

[dubb93]

And I really don't give a shit if we lynch Hoops or not. I don't think he is a wolf and I think it is more likely that Jackal and Schmidty are wolves, but each of us has to do what we think is best at this point. I just don't think anyone should be using this "scan" as evidence when clearly Darth could have scanned himself and depending on Danny's dice roll have gotten two different results.

[dubb93]

This I agree with. The schizo scan is useless. It is worthless. My vote for Hoops is not based on the scan at all. It's just gut for the most part.

KWhit the voice of reason. String him up for your gut. Just don't use that damn scan.

[Darth Vilus]

I'm not twisting your arms here people, if u don't want to vote for hoops then don't. U all have your own free will.

I trust myslef though, so my vote stays put

[Lathum]

Question about DVs scan. Were you told what seer you were? This was probably asked already so sirry. I am on my phone and it is a pain to try and look.

[Darth Vilus]

Guys I found a quarter and used it to determine the following are villagers:

RendeR
Schmidty
Jackal
Dubb
Path
KWhit

And these are the wolves:

Hoops
Darth
Lathum
PB
NtN

See it is just as stupid when I use something equally as viable as the Schizo scans.

Not to piss anyone off even more but hoops did come up as a wolf again:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Of course im kidding here but that is funny!

And no Lathum I was not told

[Darth Vilus]

if u guys dont think it's hoops, who else u want up?

Who do u think the wolves are?

[Lathum]

I agree with the logic on Hoops, it is 50/50 so the scan means nothing.

Dubb, question for you. You say you think Schmidty and JAckal are both wolves. I currently have my vote on Jackal, why did you go Schmidty over Jackal?

[dubb93]

I agree with the logic on Hoops, it is 50/50 so the scan means nothing.

Dubb, question for you. You say you think Schmidty and JAckal are both wolves. I currently have my vote on Jackal, why did you go Schmidty over Jackal?

My logic for Schmidty is simple. I think he is a wolf b/c of how he iced KWhit then me. I said before I even knew it was Schmidty that I was nearly 100% sure that the mobster was not a villager. When I found out the mobster was Schmidty it made me think Schmidty was a wolf.

We were going to lynch Schmidty the day we found out he was the mobster. I'm sure of that, but The Jackal came in and said he was the soothsayer and that Schmidty was clean. This made a clear link between Schmidty and Jackal and now makes me think they are both wolves.

Why do I think Schmidty should be the vote over Jackal? I think Schmidty's role has more potential to do harm then Jackal's. Schmidty stopped icing people when he drew heat but what is to stop him from using it in the future and removing villagers from the game for a day again? Nothing, especially with all this talk today, I fully expect Schmidty to ice someone tomorrow. Thus my vote for Schmidty over Jackal today.

[The Jackal]

That's a bad decision, dubb. If you're going to vote for one of us, vote for me. If you lynch Schmidty, when he turns up villager that's not going to clear me. But if the village decides it needs to know about us, lynch me and you'll be able to keep him around.

[dubb93]

Everything we mention Schmidty, Jackal defends him. Go figure.

[The Jackal]

What, the two times? Of course I'm going to defend him, that's the only thing I was able to do in this game. This is making you look worse in my eyes, dubb.

[The Jackal]

That's just the flat out wrong choice if you are a villager and think we are both wolves. When Schmidty turns up villager, there'd be no proof I wasn't a wolf. When I turn up villager, there's clear proof Schmidty isn't a wolf. Explain to me how that's the right play if you think we are both wolves? Silly.

[The Jackal]

If you think we are both wolves and are a villager, I mean. Think about it from the standpoint of the village - legitimately clear a person or not?

[The Jackal]

I have to leave soon and then I'll be out past the deadline. Is there a vote count of any sort? I might vote for hoops for SP, but I'm looking hard at dubb atm.

[dubb93]

This is making you look worse in my eyes, dubb.

Which is funny because you've both looked bad in my eyes for a few days now.

[dubb93]

That's just the flat out wrong choice if you are a villager and think we are both wolves. When Schmidty turns up villager, there'd be no proof I wasn't a wolf. When I turn up villager, there's clear proof Schmidty isn't a wolf. Explain to me how that's the right play if you think we are both wolves? Silly.

Schmidty is the bigger wolf threat. Obviously you know that too, which is why you are going over the top defending him here. You have already gone public with your "clear" so obviously we aren't going to buy it if you claim to use it again. Schmidty on the other hand can still ice some villagers, which is obviously huge for you guys as the game wears on to get rid of some villager votes.

[The Jackal]

How am I going over the top? I'm sorry, that's just the wrong villager play, and if you are a villager, it's boneheaded. Sure, if you think Schmidty is a wolf he could still ice someone, but even operating under the assumption that we are both wolves, you must be willing to believe the wolves are elsewhere, unless of course you are yourself a wolf.

Since I'm not getting through to you, everyone else think about this. At least Lathum has some sense in the matter.

[The Jackal]

VOTE DUBB

[dubb93]

Completely over the top defensive. At this point I have no doubt that I am right about Schmidty and Jackal.

[The Jackal]

Completely over the top defensive. At this point I have no doubt that I am right about Schmidty and Jackal.

Pretty amusing.

[The Jackal]

If you're so convinced, then just vote me off. See how convinced you are after that. I wish someone else would chime in before I have to leave so I can see what the reaction is to dubb's methodology here.

[The Jackal]

Alright, I'm out. Working tomorrow afternoon, will be back to see what's happened around 4 or 5 or so.

[path12]

I don't think I understand DV's style at all. Basically what I'm seeing is not explaining any choices but rather just saying that his read is correct because he says it is. I asked specifically for who and why he has chosen this game and get nothing.

Why exactly should I believe him?

[hoopsguy]

OK, I'm on for one post and then should be back for 20+ minutes somewhere in the hour before deadline. I'm sorry my availability sucked today. I would have very much liked to be around, if only to see what kind of conversation emerged.

Here are my takes on remaining players:
High Trust
Path + Lathum - if they are wolves, well done. Possibly scanned by EF, but even if not it is hard to fathom Path making "wolf resurrector" play on Day 2 or whatever it was.

Darth - unchallenged in good role. I have to trust him, even though I really don't like the way he has played his role or the fact that he is deadset on lynching me.

Medium Trust
PB - I think he was an EF scan, knowing history and the tone of posts. Likely villager in my eyes.

KWhit - actually trust him more for challenging me, it is what he does as a villager. His play over last couple of game days has been entirely consistent with the villager KWhit.

Low Trust
NTN - mainly because I think the guys lower than him have greater chances of being wolves

Neutral
Jackal - linked to Schmidty as villagers if he is telling the truth. Should be first lynched between him and Schmidty if you want to challenge statement because Jackal could be looking to gain trust clearing a villager.

Schmidty - linked to Jackal indirectly, by Jackal's soothsayer statement. Questionable early choices with Mobster, not sure if he has used it last two days or not.

Distrust
RendeR - no reason to trust him before or after his Survivor play, and I'm amazed he has dropped out of conversation today.

Dubb - I think he is playing "good cop" wolf with me today defending me. There is a pretty smart wolf out there based on the night kill success nailing roles and I think it is him. If it is not Dubb I would maybe need to double back around on Lathum/Path, but I think Dubb is the right play if you are looking to catch a wolf and set up the win today.

[hoopsguy]

I lied, here for two posts.

VOTE DUBB

[dubb93]

Dubb - I think he is playing "good cop" wolf with me today defending me.

Are you fucking serious? I never defended you. I simply was stating that it is stupid to vote based a freaking coin flip. I would have made that point regardless of who the schizo tried to nail with a "scan."

[PurdueBrad]

Guh, I hate to do flip-flop. I'm unvoting and giving Hoops another day because I fear what I laid out before.

unvote Hoops

I guess this could change based on if it is Hoops vs. somebody that I give more trust to but I'm willing to look other places for a day. Vote count?

[ntndeacon]

It made sense to me not to be a night target to this point given that I used my power early, but as the game goes onward and the other roles that still have use are picked off then I'd expect my bullseye to get larger.

Quick question since I've also got limited time today -- any idea if ntn's votes on henry were early or late?

This has probably been answered, but ithink the first vote on henry was about lunch and the second was later I think. I am saying this without really looking .

[RendeR]

VOTE HOOPS

HE's dead on about me, I have nothing either way, but the way his posts describes everything else that's going on simply screams bad at me. its more a tone thing than anything concrete.

and of course, he's alive on day 5, therefore he's a wolf.

His name is Hoopsguy, Therefore he's a wolf.

etc etc.

[Schmidty]

Vote Schmidty

I don't believe that Jackal was being truthful when he cleared Schmidty and I can't believe that there is any way that as a villager Schmidty would ice KWhit the day after he was nearly lynched and then ice me to IMO, make me think that Saldana had done it to shut me up. I just can't see any way that Schmidty is a villager.

Unfortunately, you're totally and utterly wrong.

I only used my ability the first two days, then realized that I had made a bad decision, and haven't used it since.

[ntndeacon]

Vote Hoops

[hoopsguy]

VOTE HOOPS

HE's dead on about me, I have nothing either way, but the way his posts describes everything else that's going on simply screams bad at me. its more a tone thing than anything concrete.

and of course, he's alive on day 5, therefore he's a wolf.

His name is Hoopsguy, Therefore he's a wolf.

etc etc.

If you do end up being a villager, then this is the downside to actually putting together a trust list on the way out ... that you potentially lose swing voters who just might vote with you rather than for you because you don't trust them.

But hey, go ahead and hate the list. What does your trust list look like, Lathum? Show me one that "simply screams good".

[hoopsguy]

Day 1 - I'm in a 5-4 runoff with DaddyTorgo. Henry is on DT, J23 does not put in his double vote. I had posted that I was going to move my vote, but I was unable to do so as the PC I was working on was having virus issues. If J23 and I are wolves together then I would have expected some support from him. But there was none at all.

Day 3 - there is a tie vote between KWhit and PurdueBrad. J23 has his double vote on KWhit and I have my vote on PB with the negated vote behind me on CrimsonFox. If J23 and I were wolves together would we have wanted to create a tie? Not likely.

I'll do a more detailed vote/post analysis tomorrow. But those are two instances this game where the idea of me as a wolf just doesn't make much sense. I would hope that there are more out there, but neither of our wolves are exactly prolific posters. I'm not expecting to find a ton of post content to help with this search. It will likely come down to voting records.

For PB or anyone else doing vote analysis - was there any logic at all that you could find for my "wolf" voting in a pair of pretty important votes listed above? I think those were probably the most critical votes we've had as everything else has been more or less a runaway by the end.

[hoopsguy]

Votes as of Post #1293:

1227 - PB votes Hoops (Hoops 1)
1236 - KWhit votes Hoops (Hoops 2)
1237 - Lathum votes Jackal (Hoops 2, Jackal 1)
1252 - DV votes Hoops (Hoops 3, Jackal 1)
1253 - Dubb votes Schmidty (Hoops 3, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1)
1278 - Jackal votes Dubb (Hoops 3, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1, Dubb 1)
1285 - Hoops votes Dubb (Hoops 3, Dubb 2, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1)
1287 - PB votes Dubb (Hoops 2, Dubb 2, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1)
1289 - RendeR votes Hoops (Hoops 3, Dubb 2, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1)
1291 - NTN votes Hoops (Hoops 4, Dubb 2, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1)

[hoopsguy]

PB, if you do believe me then you should un-vote and re-cast your vote wherever you think it will do the most good. Right now I'm neutering your vote for Dubb.

[dubb93]

PB, if you do believe me then you should un-vote and re-cast your vote wherever you think it will do the most good. Right now I'm neutering your vote for Dubb.

Where did PB vote for me at exactly?

[dubb93]

I'm moving my vote in self defense. I have a feeling PB is going to be voting my way and if Hoops is saying what I think he is saying RendeR's vote for Hoops isn't going to count.

Unvote Schmidty
Vote Hoops

[Lathum]

anyone have a vote count?

[hoopsguy]

1227 - PB votes Hoops (Hoops 1)
1236 - KWhit votes Hoops (Hoops 2)
1237 - Lathum votes Jackal (Hoops 2, Jackal 1)
1252 - DV votes Hoops (Hoops 3, Jackal 1)
1253 - Dubb votes Schmidty (Hoops 3, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1)
1278 - Jackal votes Dubb (Hoops 3, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1, Dubb 1)
1285 - Hoops votes Dubb (Hoops 3, Dubb 2, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1)
1287 - PB votes Dubb (Hoops 2, Dubb 2, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1)
1289 - RendeR votes Hoops (Hoops 3, Dubb 2, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1)
1291 - NTN votes Hoops (Hoops 4, Dubb 2, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1)
1297 - Dubb unvotes Schmidty, votes Hoops (Hoops 5, Dubb 2, Jackal 1)

[hoopsguy]

The story of Alchimadus. Know it?

[hoopsguy]

Thomas A. Beckett. Heard of him?

[hoopsguy]

Solzhenitsyn. I've a sneaking suspicion you've heard of him.

[PurdueBrad]

I'm having site issues I think. Vote coming. I don't really see dubb's over the top play with Jackal if he's a wolf. I'm willing to make this a close race to see what happens though.

[PurdueBrad]

I'm familiar with Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.

[PurdueBrad]

Relevance here Hoops?

[Lathum]

FTR I a not a fan of the Hoopsguy votes. All I a seeing is voting based off a 50/50 useless seer scan and the fact he is still alive.

[hoopsguy]

PB, I'm not telling you where to move it. Put it where you think there is a wolf. I've published my trust list and will be willing to put a vote on anyone near the bottom of that list. I don't think it makes sense to save myself for anyone I've got listed as medium/high trust, even if I could get the votes (which I likely could not).

I'm telegraphing that I'll save myself to try and avoid us lynching a villager today. There is no cloak-and-dagger here; I just don't want to see us throw away another day today.

[PurdueBrad]

Lathum, in the Jackal vs. dubb run-off, is Jackal your final answer?

[PurdueBrad]

For now

vote dubb

[Lathum]

I need a vote count but I would rather vote JAckal. The way henry claimed Jackal to be a wolf seemed like he was making a play IMO.

[hoopsguy]

Relevance here Hoops?

Well, I'm quoting a movie here but there is a common thread among those posts.

[hoopsguy]

Had an error earlier on the PB unvote (as noted by Dubb), has since been corrected. Votes as of Post #1311.

1227 - PB votes Hoops (Hoops 1)
1236 - KWhit votes Hoops (Hoops 2)
1237 - Lathum votes Jackal (Hoops 2, Jackal 1)
1252 - DV votes Hoops (Hoops 3, Jackal 1)
1253 - Dubb votes Schmidty (Hoops 3, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1)
1278 - Jackal votes Dubb (Hoops 3, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1, Dubb 1)
1285 - Hoops votes Dubb (Hoops 3, Dubb 2, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1)
1287 - PB unvotes Hoops (Hoops 2, Dubb 1, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1)
1289 - RendeR votes Hoops (Hoops 3, Dubb 1, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1)
1291 - NTN votes Hoops (Hoops 4, Dubb 1, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1)
1297 - Dubb unvotes Schmidty, votes Hoops (Hoops 5, Dubb 1, Jackal 1)
1309 - PB votes Dubb (Hoops 5, Dubb 2, Jackal 1)

[dubb93]

FTR I a not a fan of the Hoopsguy votes. All I a seeing is voting based off a 50/50 useless seer scan and the fact he is still alive.

I agree with this. However I am on Hoopsguy due to self defense. I would be willing to go with Schmidty or Jackal if we could get the votes at this point.

[hoopsguy]

I'll move to Jackal if it comes down to it, but I would have to follow others so as not to negate a vote in the process.

[Lathum]

I a on Jackal already so not much I can do there

[PurdueBrad]

unvote dubb

vote Jackal

[hoopsguy]

Crap, count is wrong again - I suck at vote counts. Dubb has three votes: me + Jackal + PB as of #1315.

[PurdueBrad]

I've moved. Hoops, you've been a rock through all my doubting of you this game, which has me still skeptical but we shall see.

[hoopsguy]

Dubb, if you move to Jackal and I follow that creates a 4-4 tie with me and Jackal.

Tie = no lynch and person following me, if any, would get vote negated. I'm not sure how picky to be here about a lynch besides me, but I would prefer that we had some chance of getting a lynch rather than a tie or me dying.

[Schmidty]

Vote dubb

[dubb93]

I'm around but I won't be creating a tie. If I move to Jackal it becomes a tie with a Hoops vote.

[PurdueBrad]

I would greatly prefer a lynch or we've had a quiet, wasted day.

[Lathum]

Schmidts vote makes me wonder

[PurdueBrad]

unvote Jackal

[Lathum]

Unvote Jackal
Vote Dubb

[PurdueBrad]

vote hoops I guess. Sorry.

[PurdueBrad]

Hoops, if I'm wrong here, I'm sorry but I ultimately had to go with my gut.

[dubb93]

Schmidts vote makes me wonder

Makes you wonder what? Why two wolves would vote for me today?

[hoopsguy]

Gut for the win, PB (and others).

I gave it the old college try. We (me and my huge posse of wolves) just got unlucky the last couple of days with secondary roles crushing us after we did the hard work of nailing BG + Seer.

Oh well, catch you guys again next time. Hopefully with a little more availability to argue when I'm nailed up against a wall.

[PurdueBrad]

Do we know from Danny is deadline :00 or :01?

[Schmidty]

If dubb is good, I'm pretty much toast tomorrow, so it was actually a pretty stupid vote if I'm a wolf.

[Lathum]

Makes you wonder what? Why two wolves would vote for me today?

It just struck me as a throwaway at an odd time. A few people were showing a willingness to move away from you and onto Jackal, so Schmidty then jumps on you.

It also looks like he is trying to save Hoops.

[dubb93]

It just struck me as a throwaway at an odd time. A few people were showing a willingness to move away from you and onto Jackal, so Schmidty then jumps on you.

It also looks like he is trying to save Hoops.

Then why in gods name did you follow Schmidty onto me. :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

I mean it has been pretty obvious for a while now that Jackal + Schmidty are in cahoots.

[Schmidty]

I mean it has been pretty obvious for a while now that Jackal + Schmidty are in cahoots.

It's actually getting to be pretty funny with you latching on to me so hard, and are so sure beyond a shadow of a doubt. The Jackal mentioned that he checked one of my phrases that says I'm not a wolf, and suddenly we're "obviously in cahoots". :lol:

You're going to look pretty silly when one of us is killed or otherwise proven to be good. It's ok though, it's just a game.

[path12]

Shit. Bad commute then immediate issues at home. Sorry for the no vote.

[hoopsguy]

Here is how I scored it. Someone should probably check my math, which was wrong a couple of times today (not intentionally, have never fudged a vote count on purpose):

1227 - PB votes Hoops (Hoops 1)
1236 - KWhit votes Hoops (Hoops 2)
1237 - Lathum votes Jackal (Hoops 2, Jackal 1)
1252 - DV votes Hoops (Hoops 3, Jackal 1)
1253 - Dubb votes Schmidty (Hoops 3, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1)
1278 - Jackal votes Dubb (Hoops 3, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1, Dubb 1)
1285 - Hoops votes Dubb (Hoops 3, Dubb 2, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1)
1287 - PB unvotes Hoops (Hoops 2, Dubb 2, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1)
1289 - RendeR votes Hoops (Hoops 3, Dubb 2, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1)
1291 - NTN votes Hoops (Hoops 4, Dubb 2, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1)
1297 - Dubb unvotes Schmidty, votes Hoops (Hoops 5, Dubb 2, Jackal 1)
1309 - PB votes Dubb (Hoops 5, Dubb 3, Jackal 1)
1316 - PB unvotes Dubb, votes Jackal (Hoops 5, Dubb 2, Jackal 2)
1320 - Schmidty votes Dubb (Hoops 5, Dubb 3, Jackal 2)
1324 - PB unvotes Jackal (Hoops 5, Dubb 3, Jackal 1)
1325 - Lathum unvotes Jackal, votes Dubb (Hoops 5, Dubb 4)
1326 - PB votes Hoops (Hoops 6, Dubb 4)

Final with my vote negating RendeR, is Hoops 5, Dubb 4

[hoopsguy]

Shit. Bad commute then immediate issues at home. Sorry for the no vote.

Me too. I may have been kidding myself, but I thought I had a chance of convincing you to go elsewhere today.

[Lathum]

Dubb, I voted you because I thought at the time you and Schmidty could be wolves and Schmidty was trying to create a disconnect between you two.

I was obviosly incorrect.

[hoopsguy]

So what is the point of doing the "reverse gloat" in the thread if no one wants to actually chat about it before I'm kicked to the "Dead Guy" thread?

Lathum, I'm disappointed that you did not post in there after we whacked you Night 1.

[CrimsonFox]

There's a dead guy thread?!?

[PurdueBrad]

So what is the point of doing the "reverse gloat" in the thread if no one wants to actually chat about it before I'm kicked to the "Dead Guy" thread?

Lathum, I'm disappointed that you did not post in there after we whacked you Night 1.

Here's how much I don't trust you in games: I'm still not sure you're even a bad guy until Danny says so. :popcorn:

[hoopsguy]

There's a dead guy thread?!?

I'll be bumping it shortly :)

[hoopsguy]

Here's how much I don't trust you in games: I'm still not sure you're even a bad guy until Danny says so. :popcorn:

Yes, this is all an elaborate trick to fake the real wolves out. You've got me :rant:

[PurdueBrad]

Yes, this is all an elaborate trick to fake the real wolves out. You've got me :rant:

So I'll ask a question of the deceased. Why the big push to get me out day 2 and 3?

[hoopsguy]

Now, now - that would not be fair to answer in the thread. It might imply something about your faction.

Just PM me the same way you have been all game and we can talk about it there. Oops, did I just type that?

[RendeR]

Gut for the win, PB (and others).

I gave it the old college try. We (me and my huge posse of wolves) just got unlucky the last couple of days with secondary roles crushing us after we did the hard work of nailing BG + Seer.

Oh well, catch you guys again next time. Hopefully with a little more availability to argue when I'm nailed up against a wall.


Its nice to have my paranoia reinforced from time to time =)

[hoopsguy]

Its nice to have my paranoia reinforced from time to time =)

Broken clock is right two times a day. Which, I might add, is a better rate than RendeR :p

[EagleFan]

:popcorn:

[RendeR]

Broken clock is right two times a day. Which, I might add, is a better rate than RendeR :p


Sour Grapes my dear hoopsie?

[PurdueBrad]

Now, now - that would not be fair to answer in the thread. It might imply something about your faction.

Just PM me the same way you have been all game and we can talk about it there. Oops, did I just type that?

There's the Hoopsy I've been missing.

By the way, I may have set a new low for IWS...seriously.

[CrimsonFox]

:popcorn:

[Lathum]

hmmm, Danny was here then disappeared.

[Danny]

Just got home. I was here on my blackberry, but hard to calculate results / run actions from that.

[Danny]

Hoops is lynched, he was the distracter and a villager

[Danny]

Lathum is night killed, he is a vanilla villager.

[Danny]

Hoops is lynched, he was the distracter and a villager

Not really, Hoops was a wolf

[CrimsonFox]

You are nasty Danny! I may have to haunt you now! :)

[Lathum]

bastards.

[EagleFan]

:thumbsup:

[EagleFan]

dola: go village... (ghostly voice)


Now please send Kris Williams from Ghost Hunters out to look for me... :)

[RendeR]

Yeeehaw ;)

[RendeR]

Sorry we lost a villager but damn, Lathum AND Hoops as a wolf on one night? its like a wet dream....

[PurdueBrad]

UPDATED

These are days 1-4 AND day 7(5 was the Saldana vote and 6 the J23, both of which went runaway I believe.


Path: Darth Vilus, J23, RendeR, henry, no vote<o></o>

Darth Vilus: Crimson Fox, J23, Real Deal, Hoopsguy, Hoops<o></o>

RendeR: Hoopsguy, KWhit, no vote, Saldana, Hoops<o></o>

Jackal: PurdueBrad, No Vote, Real Deal, KWhit<o></o>

KWhit: DaddyTorgo, PurdueBrad, no vote, henry, Hoops<o></o>

Schmidty: Dubb, KWhit, Autumn, no vote, dubb<o></o>

Dubb: No Vote, Saldana, Saldana, no vote, Hoops<o></o>

Ntn: No Vote, EagleFan, henry, henry<o>, Hoops
PurdueBrad: Hoops, KWhit, RealDeal, henry, Hoops

So we have three people that have posted three votes for a wolf (not including the J23 vote): Darth Vilus, ntn, and me.

I actually do want to explore ntn as Darth is a known good entity. In addition, I'm willing to look at dubb and Jackal as well. Frankly, I think you guys might as well look at me too since I'm in the three vote camp and Hoops worked hard since day 4 to say that I must be good and been scanned by EF.

So here is my trust list:
Complete- Path, Darth, and me (Lathum proves Path and Darth's role is "good")
Some- KWhit

None- Jackal, Schmidty, dubb, RendeR, and ntn

My vote will definitely go to one of the bottom five, just a matter of which.
</o>

[Darth Vilus]

*Cue Ominous Music*

The Dark Lord steps forward...Hoopsguy falls. So foolish for the wolves to have challenged the most dangerous of enemies.

[Darth Vilus]

Good work guys, 2 wolves in 2 days. Much better than how it started off.

[PurdueBrad]

Was the dubb/Jackal dynamic engineered by one to distract the rest of us from the Hoops vote?

I guess I'm surprised at how the dubb and Jackal conversation escalated and basically overtook everything else. I then remember being surprised when people still came in and voted Hoops after watching that dynamic. I think this is one possibility, although, if I have time today, I'm going to look at one other thing that caught my attention.

[The Jackal]

Checking in from the phone, good job nailing hoops. Do you now understand that there is no cahoots from me? If you think I cleared a villager on purpose and am a wolf, so be it but leave schmidty alone, I'd like the village to win this game after this strong run. I'll check back after work to see where discussion is headed. I'm thinking dubb was likely an incensed villager but he's not off my radar.

[The Jackal]

And pb i didn't engineer anything, I just needed to make sure the village didn't make a stupid choice by lynching schmidty over me. Perhaps dubb seized on it for distraction but I need to look things over before making any decisions

[dubb93]

I'm going back to yesterday. If I think there are two wolves, Jackal + Hoops left and one is telling me not to vote for the other, I am sure as fuck voting for the one I am being told not to vote for.

Vote Schmidty

[Darth Vilus]

I'll be honest, Nailing the last one is gonna be a little harder for me.

vote jackal

It could be him or schmidty. I have to go to work now so i couldn't analyze as much as I would've liked to. But it's safe to say we have a little leeway

[Darth Vilus]

Vilus Out!

[dubb93]

If I think there are two wolves, Jackal + Hoops

Jackal + Schmidty, typo

[Schmidty]

I'm going back to yesterday. If I think there are two wolves, Jackal + Hoops left and one is telling me not to vote for the other, I am sure as fuck voting for the one I am being told not to vote for.

Vote Schmidty

Sigh.

Like I said: You are going to look really silly when/if I die. Your misplaced fervor is as amusing as it is slightly frustrating.

Vote dubb

[RendeR]

VOTE SCHMIDTY

[KWhit]

If we're going to choose between Jackal and Schmidty, we really need to vote for Jackal. That way, if we find out that Jackal is a villager, we know Schmidty is a-ok and a good villager. And he'll have his icing power to use later on if necessary.

Jackal's power has already been used up. We should lynch him instead of Schmidty.

[KWhit]

I'm going back to yesterday. If I think there are two wolves, Jackal + Hoops left and one is telling me not to vote for the other, I am sure as fuck voting for the one I am being told not to vote for.

Vote Schmidty

How does it make sense to vote Schmidty first if you think that Schmidty and Jackal are both wolves?

If we lynch Jackal but he turns out to be a villager, we clear Schmidty.

But if we lynch Schmidty and he turns out to be a villager, we don't necessarily clear Jackal.

This should be a no-brainer. I am very suspicious of you right now that you are so strongly going after Schmidty when that vote just makes no sense that I can see.

[dubb93]

How does it make sense to vote Schmidty first if you think that Schmidty and Jackal are both wolves?

If we lynch Jackal but he turns out to be a villager, we clear Schmidty.

But if we lynch Schmidty and he turns out to be a villager, we don't necessarily clear Jackal.

This should be a no-brainer. I am very suspicious of you right now that you are so strongly going after Schmidty when that vote just makes no sense that I can see.

To me the fact that they are both villagers isn't even an option. I'm looking at which one can do more harm. That to me is Schmidty. If I was on the fence about them maybe it makes sense to me to lynch Jackal first but I'm positive that Schmidty didn't play his role like a villager and Jackal clearing him makes me positive that Jackal is a wolf too.

I stick by my Schmidty vote. He can do more harm than Jackal and in my mind I'm sure they are both wolves.

[KWhit]

I'm taking a very close look at Dubb right now, and I'm not liking what I see.

His voting record is pretty terrible. Probably the worst of all of us that remain:

UPDATED

These are days 1-4 AND day 7 (5 was the Saldana vote and 6 the J23, both of which went runaway I believe).


Path: Darth Vilus, J23, RendeR, henry, no vote<o></o>

Darth Vilus: Crimson Fox, J23, Real Deal, Hoopsguy, Hoops<o></o>

RendeR: Hoopsguy, KWhit, no vote, Saldana, Hoops<o></o>

Jackal: PurdueBrad, No Vote, Real Deal, KWhit<o></o>

KWhit: DaddyTorgo, PurdueBrad, no vote, henry, Hoops<o></o>

Schmidty: Dubb, KWhit, Autumn, no vote, dubb<o></o>

Dubb: No Vote, Saldana, Saldana, no vote, Hoops<o></o>

Ntn: No Vote, EagleFan, henry, henry<o>, Hoops
PurdueBrad: Hoops, KWhit, RealDeal, henry, Hoops

[Schmidty]

Either way, we're both dead. If Jackal is lynched, I'm the night kill. If I'm lynched, then Jackal is likely to be night killed.

dubb created this fustercluck, and he's going to have to be the one to deal with it.

[KWhit]

To me the fact that they are both villagers isn't even an option. I'm looking at which one can do more harm. That to me is Schmidty. If I was on the fence about them maybe it makes sense to me to lynch Jackal first but I'm positive that Schmidty didn't play his role like a villager and Jackal clearing him makes me positive that Jackal is a wolf too.

I stick by my Schmidty vote. He can do more harm than Jackal and in my mind I'm sure they are both wolves.

What harm do you think he's going to do? Put someone on ice. Big deal. I'd much rather clear someone at this point than to defend against a possible icing that he hasn't even used in days.

[The Jackal]

good lord thank you kwhit

[dubb93]

I'm taking a very close look at Dubb right now, and I'm not liking what I see.

His voting record is pretty terrible. Probably the worst of all of us that remain:

Of course I was on ice(thanks schmidty!) the day Henry was lynched so I couldn't get in on that.

[The Jackal]

any vote for schmidty is absolutely idiotic at this point from a villager, and while i'm not positive dubb is the last wolf, he's making it very hard for me to look elsewhere

to the rest of you: if you are honestly convinced one or both of us is wolves, vote for me, for god's sake.. you're very wrong, but at least then you'll only waste ONE day of voting instead of TWO

VOTE DUBB

[The Jackal]

It's also funny that you are insistent that we are both wolves when most people were pretty sure there were only two wolves left before hoops died.

Why are you so dead set that we are wolves? What exactly in my decision to clear Schmidty made you think it was wolfish? If I was going to use a wolf soothsayer role I'd do it on another wolf, or at least a villager that I was pretty sure would back me up for it. No offense to Schmidty, but he is often busy and unable to check in - so I'd have wanted to pick someone more active.

[The Jackal]

And again, on top of all of this, and the fact that's making it more and more clear that it's hard for you to be a villager in this scenario is how you refuse to see the logic behind voting for me over Schmidty. I don't care how convinced you are in your head that we are both wolves, there is no definitive proof whatsoever either way and you HAVE to consider the fact that I am telling the truth, otherwise you're just being so dense it frustrates me beyond belief. I just hope the rest of the village, even if they come to the decision that they need to deal with me/Schmidty today realizes the boneheadedness of lynching the person who can't clear the other one in death first.

[dubb93]

It's also funny that you are insistent that we are both wolves when most people were pretty sure there were only two wolves left before hoops died.


So you think in a 20 player game with no conversions, 2 potential seers, 2 potential bgs, a soothsayer, a slut and a possible witness that we only started with 4 wolves? I know this hasn't been talked about yet, but I would be absolutely floored if that was case regardless of what "most people" think.

[dubb93]

and you HAVE to consider the fact that I am telling the truth,

I don't blindly have to take your word for anything.

[The Jackal]

It may be probable that there are two wolves left, and if there are, it would be an even bigger mistake to lynch Schmidty first, and possibly the end of the game because there'd be no clearing of me and we'd probably end up lynching me next.

[The Jackal]

I don't blindly have to take your word for anything.

Who said anything about taking my word? You obviously don't believe me, but you have to consider the fact I'm telling the truth, man. If you refuse to even do that, that's just such poor play.

[dubb93]

It may be probable that there are two wolves left, and if there are, it would be an even bigger mistake to lynch Schmidty first, and possibly the end of the game because there'd be no clearing of me and we'd probably end up lynching me next.

I think you are confused. When Schmidty is lynched it more assuredly won't be clearing you. If anything it will damn you.

[dubb93]

Who said anything about taking my word? You obviously don't believe me, but you have to consider the fact I'm telling the truth, man. If you refuse to even do that, that's just such poor play.

I considered it and rejected it. It is my right to do that.

[KWhit]

good lord thank you kwhit

Yeah. I'm not liking his logic on this at all.

What dubb's insistence on voting Schmidty is doing is it's costing the villagers a day's vote. If we vote Schmidty today but he turns up as a villager, then dubb would push to vote for Jackal tomorrow. That could be 2 days of voting when we could get the same info out of just voting for Jackal today.

And that's based on what? A fear that Schmidty will ice someone tonight and that will somehow turn the tide to the wolves. I don't buy it.

I was contemplating a vote for Jackal today, but dubb's actions are setting off my wolfdar like crazy.

And don't forget that he was pushing pretty hard against a Hoops lynch yesterday too and switched his vote to him very late after it looked like the lynch was likely to be him.

At least for now:

VOTE DUBB

[PurdueBrad]

I'm jumping in on this. I was curious how today was going to play out. I think that dubb is playing too much on the radar to be a wolf but at the same time, he is pinging me. Jackal and Schmidty, are whatever they are. I would definitely go Jackal first though. And I'm certainly willing to look at RendeR and ntn. In fact, I probably put RendeR, ntn, and dubb above voting for Jackal or Schmidty right now.

This may change to one of the other two, but for now:

vote dubb

[The Jackal]

I think you are confused. When Schmidty is lynched it more assuredly won't be clearing you. If anything it will damn you.

I'm quite the opposite of confused, and I'm done arguing with you. I've said multiple times that lynching Schmidty wouldn't clear me, the whole point of this is that lynching me clears Schmidty. But yeah, I'm done.

Questions from anyone else I'll surely entertain.

[KWhit]

I'm jumping in on this. I was curious how today was going to play out. I think that dubb is playing too much on the radar to be a wolf but at the same time, he is pinging me. Jackal and Schmidty, are whatever they are. I would definitely go Jackal first though. And I'm certainly willing to look at RendeR and ntn. In fact, I probably put RendeR, ntn, and dubb above voting for Jackal or Schmidty right now.

This may change to one of the other two, but for now:

vote dubb

Render goes up in trust a bit for me now that we know Hoops is a wolf.

This is day 1.


(80) – DaddyTorgo votes Kwhit (Kwhit 1)
(81) – DaddyTorgo unvotes Kwhit
(113) – Lathum votes Autumn (Autumn 1)
(128) – path12 votes Darth Vilus (Autumn 1, Darth Vilus 1)
(132) – CrimsonFox votes Darth Vilus (Darth Vilus 2, Autumn 1)
(133) – hoopsguy votes path12 (Darth Vilus 2, Autumn 1, path12 1)
(140) – Darth Vilus votes CrimsonFox (Darth Vilus 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1)
(147) – Abe Sargent votes hoopsguy (Darth Vilus 2, Autumn 1, path 12 1, CrimsonFox 1, hoopsguy 1)
(149) – The Jackal votes PurdueBrad (Darth Vilus 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, hoopsguy 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(150) – RealDeal votes hoopsguy (Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(151) – Autumn votes DaddyTorgo (Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1, DaddyTorgo 1)
(156) – saldana votes dubb93 (Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1, DaddyTorgo 1, dubb93 1)
(158) – Schmidty votes dubb93 (Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, dubb93 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1, DaddyTorgo 1)
(159) – henry296 votes DaddyTorgo (Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, dubb93 2, DaddyTorgo 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(162) – EagleFan votes DaddyTorgo (DaddyTorgo 3, Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, dubb93 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(163) – RendeR votes hoopsguy (DaddyTorgo 3, hoopsguy 3, Darth Vilus 2, dubb93 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(168) – Kwhit voted DaddyTorgo (DaddyTorgo 4, hoopsguy 3, Darth Vilus 2, dubb93 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(169) – PurdueBrad votes hoopsguy (DaddyTorgo 4, hoopsguy 4, Darth Vilus 2, dubb93 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(173) – Lathum unvotes Autumn, votes DaddyTorgo (DaddyTorgo 5, hoopsguy 4, Darth Vilus 2, dubb93 2, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)

[The Jackal]

Good find KWhit, that certainly helps RendeR's case. Same can be said for PB with his vote 6 posts later, yes? We can't throw out the possibility that PB is a wolf, but he looks solid.

[Schmidty]

I don't blindly have to take your word for anything.

But yet you blindly latch on to, saying things to the effect of it's beyond a shadow of a doubt that I'm a wolf. You have no proof. You can say "I'm pretty darned sure that Schmidty is a wolf", but instead you keep spewing your mindless declarations and "analysis".

Sheesh.

[Schmidty]

But yet you blindly latch on to, saying things to the effect of it's beyond a shadow of a doubt that I'm a wolf. You have no proof. You can say "I'm pretty darned sure that Schmidty is a wolf", but instead you keep spewing your mindless declarations and "analysis".

Sheesh.

Substitute "mindless" for "irrational", or some other nicer word. :)

[dubb93]

Not much I say at this point that I already haven't. If you insist on lynching me the next two days we have to get rid of Schmidty and Jackal. We can't keep letting them snow us. This is ridiculous.

[path12]

I've got no problem with the idea of Schmidty and Jackal being bad. But the logic of voting Schmidty first baffles me, as does the vehemence of the argument (though that's just WW), especially from someone that is under suspicion themself.

If I vote for Jackal/Schmidty to make sure what's up there, I'm voting Jackal. Dubb is putting himself pretty clearly out there which doesn't seem particularly wolflike, but he's certainly capable of pulling that off.

ntn is still very much on my radar as well, but that may have to wait until this situation is a bit clearer.

Bottom line, I think my vote will go to either Dubb or Jackal. It's my opinion that we learn the most that way.

[RendeR]

I disagree with the idea that we started with more than 4 wolves.

yes there are tons of powers and abilities in this game, however that is being balanced by the fact that the wolves can HAVE some of those powers and abilities.

5-1 ratios of men to wolves is pretty standard. Now that does leave the option of a conversion ability somewhere along the way? I'll read through all the rules again to double check whats there but its always a possibility.

Dubb, as strongly as you're coming out here you aren't really helping your own case by not at least listening to other people's analysis. yes you may believe you're right beyond the shadow of a doubt, but quite frankly, this is werewolf and until they are dead, skinned and hanging on our den walls we can never be absolutely sure.

You're going way over the top on this push for what would be wolves 4 and 5? If we write off the idea of a conversion then you're not making any sense at all.

If you insist that both are in fact wolves then you're CERTAIN there was a conversion, and that certainty isn't possible based on what is known in this game at this point. So how do you expect people to support you?

UNVOTE SCHMIDTY

This may well go back, I think Schmidty is furry but its more for his previous night actions than anything else.

[PurdueBrad]

Good find KWhit, with RendeR's vote. That means that there are only three people I would possibly vote for: ntn, Jackal, or dubb.

[RendeR]

Lets get together on this people.

Best situation, its 7-1 and we have some wiggle room right now.

Worst case its 6-2 and if we're wrong tonight 4-2 tomorrow.

I'm trusting that we only have 1 wolf left at this point, I really don't think we'd have 5 wolves in a 20 player game where another character could convert people to a 3rd team (borg).

[KWhit]

Good find KWhit, with RendeR's vote. That means that there are only three people I would possibly vote for: ntn, Jackal, or dubb.

And ntn has this going for him which puts him a bit higher in my trust list.

Day 3:
(461) – RealDeal reveals as Love/Hate Guy
(503) – EagleFan votes RealDeal (RealDeal 1)
(507) – dubb93 votes Autumn (RealDeal 1, Autumn 1)
(511) – Schmidty votes Autumn (Autumn 2, RealDeal 1)
(512) – Darth Vilus votes RealDeal (Autumn 2, RealDeal 2)
(531) – CrimsonFox votes Autumn (Autumn 3, RealDeal 2)
(566) – Autumn reveals as Vampire
(568) – PurdueBrad votes hoopsguy (Autumn 3, RealDeal 2, hoopsguy 1)
(590) – dubb93 reveals as whiny bitch
(591) – dubb93 unvotes Autumn (Autumn 2, RealDeal 2, hoopsguy 1)
(602) – CrimsonFox unvotes Autumn (RealDeal 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1)
(610) – path12 votes RendeR (RealDeal 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, RendeR 1)
(628) – saldana votes RendeR (RealDeal 2, RendeR 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1)
(648) – ntndeacon votes henry296 (RealDeal 2, RendeR 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, henry296 1)
(650) – dubb93 votes saldana (RealDeal 2, RendeR 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, henry296 1, saldana 1)
(657) – Autumn votes saldana (RealDeal 2, RendeR 2, saldana 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, henry296 1)
(661) – The Jackal votes RealDeal (RealDeal 3, RendeR 2, saldana 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, henry296 1)
(663) – RealDeal votes saldana (RealDeal 3, saldana 3, RendeR 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, henry296 1)
(665) – EagleFan unvotes RealDeal, votes RendeR (saldana 3, RendeR 3, RealDeal 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, henry296 1)
(670) – hoopsguy votes RendeR (RendeR 4, saldana 3, RealDeal 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, henry296 1)
(672) – henry296 votes RendeR (RendeR 5, saldana 3, RealDeal 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, henry296 1)
(674) – Autumn unvotes saldana, votes PurdueBrad (RendeR 5, saldana 2, RealDeal 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, henry296 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(676) – RealDeal unvotes saldana, votes RendeR (RendeR 6, saldana 2, RealDeal 2, Autumn 1, hoopsguy 1, henry296 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(678) – PurdueBrad unvotes hoopsguy (RendeR 6, saldana 2, RealDeal 2, Autumn 1, henry296 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(681) – Lathum votes PurdueBrad (RendeR 6, saldana 2, RealDeal 2, PurdueBrad 2, Autumn 1, henry296 1)
(687) – PurdueBrad votes RealDeal (RendeR 6, RealDeal 3, saldana 2, PurdueBrad 2, Autumn 1, henry296 1)
(690) – CrimsonFox votes RendeR (RendeR 7, RealDeal 3, saldana 2, PurdueBrad 2, Autumn 1, henry296 1)

Day 4:
(766) - Saldana votes PB (PB 1)
(780) - Saldana unvotes PB, votes CF (CF 1)
(789) - Path votes Saldana (CF 1, Saldana 1)
(793) - Lathum votes CF (CF 2, Saldana 1)
(799) - Path unvotes Saldana (CF 2)
(807) - Real Deal vote/unvote/vote KWhit
(814) - Real Deal killed by KWhit
(838) - DV votes Hoops (CF 2, Hoops 1)
(839) - KWhit votes The Jackal (CF 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1)
(845) - CF votes Saldana (CF 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, Saldana 1)
(851) - The Jackal votes KWhit (CF 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, Saldana 1, KWhit 1)
(855) - Autumn votes Schmidty (CF 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, Saldana 1, KWhit 1, Schmidty 1)
(862) - RendeR votes Saldana (CF 2, Saldana 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, KWhit 1, Schmidty 1)
(863) - J23 votes Schmidty (CF 2, Saldana 2, Schmidty 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, KWhit 1)
(869) - Henry votes CF (CF 3, Saldana 2, Schmidty 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, KWhit 1)
(870) - NTN votes CF (CF 4, Saldana 2, Schmidty 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, KWhit 1)
(875) - Hoops votes DV (CF 4, Saldana 2, Schmidty 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, KWhit 1, DV 1)
(879) - PB votes Saldana (CF 4, Saldana 3, Schmidty 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, KWhit 1, DV 1)
(894) - PB unvotes Saldana (CF 4, Saldana 2, Schmidty 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, KWhit 1, DV 1)
(895) - PB votes KWhit (CF 4, Saldana 2, Schmidty 2, KWhit 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, DV 1)
(902) - PB unvotes KWhit (CF 4, Saldana 2, Schmidty 2, KWhit 1, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, DV 1)
(905) - PB votes Saldana (CF 4, saldana 3, Schmidty 2, KWhit 1, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, DV 1)
(917) - NTN unvotes CF (CF 3, Saldana 3, Schmidty 2, KWhit 1, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, DV 1)
(927) - PB unvotes Saldana, votes Henry (CF 3, Saldana 2, Schmidty 2, KWhit 1, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, DV 1, Henry 1)
(928) - KWhit unvotes The Jackal, votes Henry (CF 3, Saldana 2, Schmidty 2, Henry 2, KWhit 1, Hoops 1, DV 1)
(938) - Path votes Henry (CF 3, Saldana 3, Henry 3, Schmidty 2, KWhit 1, Hoops 1, DV 1)
(946) - CF unvotes Saldana, votes Henry (Henry 4, CF 3, Saldana 2, Schmidty 2, KWhit 1, Hoops 1, DV 1)
(951) - NTN votes Henry (Henry 5, CF 3, Saldana 2, Schmidty 2, KWhit 1, Hoops 1, DV 1)
(954) - Hoops unvotes DV, votes Henry (Henry 6, CF 3, Saldana 2, Schmidty 2, KWhit 1, Hoops 1)
(959) - Autumn unvotes Schmidty, votes Henry (Henry 7, CF 3, Saldana 2, Schmidty 1, KWhit 1, Hoops 1)

[dubb93]

I really don't think we'd have 5 wolves in a 20 player game where another character could convert people to a 3rd team (borg).

I don't think the borg role had any bearing on balance at all. Infact I'd say it is a pretty long shot to have that win anyway. On top of that no one knew they were converted. Sounds like a non-factor to me.

[The Jackal]

Yeah, I designed the Borg to be a very long shot. A lot of things would have had to happen to one person without them being killed for it to work.

[PurdueBrad]

KWhit, I look at ntn's and see something else though. I see a middle of the pack, no matter vote on a fifth candidate and then I see him jump in on that last scramble, just three posts ahead of Hoops (a wolf), at choosing to bury the lost cause wolf. I'm still no quite ready to give ntn a pass there.

[path12]

VOTE THE JACKAL

If he is good, dubb is my next vote.

[KWhit]

KWhit, I look at ntn's and see something else though. I see a middle of the pack, no matter vote on a fifth candidate and then I see him jump in on that last scramble, just three posts ahead of Hoops (a wolf), at choosing to bury the lost cause wolf. I'm still no quite ready to give ntn a pass there.

I agree. But those actions put him a slight bit higher than Dubb or Jackal for me.

[Schmidty]

VOTE THE JACKAL

If he is good, dubb is my next vote.

If he's good (which I assume is true) then I'm dead at night; therefore, you're lynching two villagers for the price of one in a way.

[ntndeacon]

I have been busier than I thought I would be this early into the new school year. In terms of this lynch, I am really flipping a coin about which is wolfish.
Vote Jackal

[Danny]

I have

Dubb 4
Jackal 2

[Danny]

4 to 3 now

[RendeR]

So based on the votes right now you all aren't considering Schmidty tonight, So do we want to make this a tight vote and see what shakes out or do we want to just slam the door on Dubb now and take care of the results tomorrow?

[RendeR]

Alrighty then, no responses from anyone, no one but a dead guy and the game runner logged in....fuckit.


VOTE DUBB

We'll sort out the mess in the morning.

[dubb93]

Unvote Schmidty
Vote Jackal

self defense

[dubb93]

After I'm gone make sure you lynch Jackal and Schmidty the next two days.

[dubb93]

RendeR, now is the time to make the right decision and get a wolf.

[dubb93]

5 guests in thread. LOL, gj wolves. Way to buy yourselves another day.

[RendeR]

Deadline?

[Schmidty]

Welp, nice job wolf.

[RendeR]

?

[Danny]

Final vote is 5 for Dubb and 4 for Jackal.

[Danny]

Dubb is lynched and was a wolf.

Path is night killed and was the resurrectionist and a villager

[Danny]

Day 9 deadline is tomorrow at 9pm eastern.

[Schmidty]

?

I thought it was a tie after his last minute change.

Yay, I was wrong!!!!

[RendeR]

DOH, so much for my "only 4 wolves" commentary.

At least we got that one.

So....who's next?

[Schmidty]

Nice try dubb!! And you did a really good job acting out against me. :D

[Schmidty]

DOH, so much for my "only 4 wolves" commentary.

At least we got that one.

So....who's next?

Someone under the radar is my guess.

[Schmidty]

Lots of "Guests" looking at the thread.

[KWhit]

YES!!!!!

F YOU WOLF!


:)

[PurdueBrad]

Well done!!!!! We're on a sweet roll.

[path12]

Fellas, this was my last game and I'm pretty happy with how it turned out. It's been fun. Now get that goddamn wolf!

[PurdueBrad]

Path, drop by and say hi from time to time. You'll be missed.

[KWhit]

Yeah, this "last game" crap sucks.

[KWhit]

Yeah, this "last game" crap sucks.

Meant in the nicest way possible, of course.

[Lathum]

Yeah, this "last game" crap sucks.

+1

[EagleFan]

Go Village!!!

[EagleFan]

+1

+2

[CrimsonFox]

Fellas, this was my last game and I'm pretty happy with how it turned out. It's been fun. Now get that goddamn wolf!


Great to meet ya Path! Great game!

Come back soon! :)

[PurdueBrad]

Schmidty, we're going to need you to start going back and using your power again. I'll go with the fact that Schmidty, Darth, and I are good. I'm leaning that KWhit is good. That leaves RendeR, Jackal, and ntn. I'm in favor of voting one of them off and having Schmidty put another on ice to see if we can get lucky one way or another.

Also, do we know one way or another what everyone's roles are that are left?

[PurdueBrad]

Me- Gladiator
KWhit- Vengeful God
Schmidty- Mobster
Darth- Schizo
ntn-?
Jackal-?
RendeR-?

Sorry, can't remember or don't know the bottom three.

[PurdueBrad]

Okay, it's the aware, the soothsayer, and the survivor left. RendeR was the survivor I believe, making Jackal the soothsayer (didn't he clear Schmidty?), and ntn the aware.

[KWhit]

PurdueBrad- Gladiator
KWhit- Vengeful God
Schmidty- Mobster
Darth- Schizo
ntn-Aware
Jackal-Soothsayer
RendeR-Survivor

[PurdueBrad]

I'm going to throw my vote out there early and see what happens:

vote ntn

[KWhit]

PB - Good
KWhit - Good
Schmidty - Good
Darth Vilus - Good

Jackal - Probably Good

RendeR - Dunno
ntndeacon - Dunno


Here's a quick and dirty list of my trust list. RendeR had a couple of key votes on Hoopsguy, so I'm willing to look the other way right now and go with ntndeacon for now.

VOTE NTNDEACON

[KWhit]

Cool - I didn't see your vote before I submitted my post, by the way. i'm glad to see we're on the same page, cause you're one of the people I trust.

[KWhit]

I just went back and looked over a bunch of stuff. I feel pretty strongly that ntn is our last wolf.

It's still possible that The Jackal and Dubb were staging that stuff yesterday, but I doubt that the Jackal would be pushing so hard for the "lynch me first" angle he was stating yesterday, so I feel that he's good.

RendeR could be bad, but his votes on Hoopsguy on day 1 and day 7 could have easily led to him getting lynched. They weren't throw-away votes at all.

So ntn is loooking like the most likely wolf by far, IMO.

[KWhit]

This thread is dead.

[The Jackal]

Just arrived. Very pleased with the way things went last night! :)

It does look like all info points at NTN being the last wolf, and if not, someone tried to screw hoops pretty early on as another wolf.

VOTE NTN

[Schmidty]

I'm willing to vote ntn and nightfall also. There's a very strong chance that he's our guy.

Vote ntn

Vote Nightfall

[PurdueBrad]

Schmidty, I'll vote nightfall, but just in case, please put in some sort of mob order to freeze your next most suspicious person.

[PurdueBrad]

vote nightfall

[KWhit]

vote nightfall

[RendeR]

VOTE NTN

VOTE NIGHTFALL

[Schmidty]

Schmidty, I'll vote nightfall, but just in case, please put in some sort of mob order to freeze your next most suspicious person.

I hate making that decision, because if I'm wrong, I'm really going piss someone off and perhaps screw things up even worse.

[PurdueBrad]

I hate making that decision, because if I'm wrong, I'm really going piss someone off and perhaps screw things up even worse.

Understood, but if you're right with your choice AND our lynch is wrong, you may also prevent a nightkill. You and DV are pretty important here. DV, I recommend that you use your power on someone you are suspicious of as well.

I agree with KWhit here, that I feel like we've got a good handle on things but I just want to guard against something unforeseen happening.

[PurdueBrad]

Danny- Odd question. If a person is a wolf, can they use their power AND kill in the same night? I have a possible theory...

[Danny]

Yes, ability is separate from the kill.

[Darth Vilus]

didn't get a chance to check in yesterday, awesome job guys. the last one must be hiding with their tail between their legs

[Darth Vilus]

alright,

vote ntn

vote nightfall

[PurdueBrad]

Ahhh, nm then. Thanks Danny.

[The Jackal]

Been gone all day skatin

vote nightfall

[ntndeacon]

Vote Jackal
just to vote somewhere. I hope you find the wolf tomorrow.

[PurdueBrad]

Damn, really, really quiet day. Hope we've hit a wolf here.

[Danny]

Sorry for the lateness, on campus between classes.

Everyone decides that NTN is who will be lynched.

NTN was a wolf! The village has won!!!!!!!

[CrimsonFox]

YAY! GREAT work all! Wow 4 in a row! The dubb and hoops ones were intense! :)

[EagleFan]

Go Village!!!!

[EagleFan]

Weird game, you needed to lose the BG and seer before the game turned to your favor.

[PurdueBrad]

Nicely done village!!! Good game and a village win for #100 feels pretty good.

[EagleFan]

I screwed up, I counted on using the ghost whisperer to my advantage and it wasn't until I got the PM from Danny that I was NK'd that I had the sinking feeling of "what if the GW is a wolf?"

I scanned hoops day one. I wanted to give him a little bit of rope to see if it told me anything. My trust of PB was based on his day one vote after getting the hoops scan.

I unfortunately didn't leave any trail to hoops.

Day two I scanned Lathum which gave me a solid trust list of him and path. I thought about not even wasting that scan as I can't see why a wolf would make that play but I kept getting bugged by a voice in my head saying "what if".

Nice game village, I thought we were going to lose bad after how the game started out.

[Schmidty]

Woohoo!!

I'm glad my 2 "icings" didn't screw everything up, although I guess getting dubb wasn't so bad. :)

[path12]

Yeah!! Nice job, village!

[Autumn]

Great game guys.

Wow, EF, that's pretty wild. I could see your desire to play Hoops out, it's not always good to nail the wolf too soon. And I think you were right to scan Lathum, letting them get trusted would have been a game killer if they were wolves, and I could see them banking on everybody letting it slide. Having the roles be bad or good certainly gave things a wrinkle.

I was right about Dubb, I wish you guys had gone back and picked up that thread, but i can't say I had the other wolves pegged.

[The Jackal]

That was fairly intense, glad I didn't have to be lynched for a village win. :)

[KWhit]

Awesome.

Good game everyone. And thanks Danny. That was a fun, well-run game.

[hoopsguy]

Nice work by the villagers. I thought Path, KWhit, and PB all played very solid games.

[CrimsonFox]

The thing that really floored me about how you guys play is that there are FIVE wolves!

When I've played it's always 2 wolves in a group up to like 19 and then 3 wolves above that. But that's live action.

For the online version, Is it easier to catch wolves when there are more of them or easier for the wolves to eliminate people and win? I'm sure the online dynamic chages things.

The plethora of wolves plus wolves getting roles made me think we were toast :)

Good game danny

[Darth Vilus]

Awesome people, well done!

[Lathum]

I bet when NTN is out with his friends they can't get him to shut the fuck up.

[dubb93]

Yup good game guys. I guess if I had just went with Jackal early yesterday I may still have been around today but I really thought we needed a Schmidty lynch to pull it out. I mean at that point we needed to lynch 3 villagers to win and the only 3 I thought we could have possibly gotten were RendeR, Schmidty and Jackal so I had to do what I had to do.

[Schmidty]

Yup good game guys. I guess if I had just went with Jackal early yesterday I may still have been around today but I really thought we needed a Schmidty lynch to pull it out. I mean at that point we needed to lynch 3 villagers to win and the only 3 I thought we could have possibly gotten were RendeR, Schmidty and Jackal so I had to do what I had to do.

No one bullies Schmidty and survives!!!!!

[CrimsonFox]

dubb you did play a good game. You and hoops voting each other and your other wolves out confused the crap out of me.
And since you were a hothead the whole game I actually thought you were just being a stubborn ass with a grudge :)
And Jackal way changed his tone from the beginning of the game which made me think he was wolfy. Ugh so confusing. Glad you ate me when you did.

[saldana]

nice job village (except for the fact that you all lynched me because Dubb told you to....you may have won this time dubb, but next game its vote dubb everyday til you're dead)

[DaddyTorgo]

good job village. i'm glad that my fucking up on D1 didn't cost us the win!!

[The Jackal]

And Jackal way changed his tone from the beginning of the game which made me think he was wolfy. Ugh so confusing. Glad you ate me when you did.

Like I said during the game, to Lathum I think it was, the reason my tone changed is because I actually had good access to the forums by the end of the game. It was very frustrating to have my computer die on me a day or two before the game started.

[CrimsonFox]

nice job village (except for the fact that you all lynched me because Dubb told you to....you may have won this time dubb, but next game its vote dubb everyday til you're dead)

For the last time, no one voted for you because dubb told us to. At least I voted for you because of all the vote changing and odd logic you seemed to have early on, and a lot of distraction like appearances, not to mention that half of your focus was on me. :D

[CrimsonFox]

good job village. i'm glad that my fucking up on D1 didn't cost us the win!!

How did you fuck up? FIrst day was pretty much random. Although you did stick your neck out by talking a lot. No other reason though.

[dubb93]

What is great is that I got in the head of Crimson so well that he is still trying to argue that he didn't vote Saldana b/c I was telling him to. I laid the Saldana trap down on day 2 and slow burned it until he was lynched on day 5. My only regret is that Saldana denied me my two day Saldana lynch on days 5 and 6 by refusing to use his power. Really threw a monkey wrench in my plans. Next time I will try to make it even more epic Sal, I promise you that much.

[CrimsonFox]

Hehe, I'll give you the fact that what you did was masterfully subtle in that two days later I couldn't remember who said "Saldana looks guilty". But just saying "Saldana" didn't make him look guilty. What I think was the more skilled part was that you know how to push Saldana's buttons so much that you made him blow his stack and make really impulsive choices and statements which made him look guilty. Then again you seemed to be blowing your stack too which is hard to read. As I've seen, just because someone is angry or makes a dumb choice or says something completely illogical, that doesn't always make them a wolf, especially if they keep acting that way.

[EagleFan]

good job village. i'm glad that my fucking up on D1 didn't cost us the win!!

There was an interesting turn of events that day. I would have scanned you if you weren't lynched.

[Alan T]

A bolt of lightning has struck one of you!

AlanT has been killed


I just now am up to this point in reading this game.

Thanks Danny! :)