WW 100: Game over!

[Danny]

The game will have a 24 hour deadline which takes place at 9 eastern.

Start date is January 11th![/B] Roles will go out January 10th.

The basic rules are this:

Each player, as they sign-up, will be able to add a rule or a role to the game. This rule can't contravene someone's existing rule/role and I reserve the right to reject a rule if I feel it will unbalance the game beyond repair. After sign-ups are closed, I will then go through the rules/roles and do as little adding as is necessary in order to balance the game. The idea is to have this game be decided upon by the community.

Rules:

Deadline - 24 hour deadline which takes place at 9:00 PM EST

Night Orders - Conditional allowed but the conditions must be specific (cannot be: "if a seer is revealed kill them")

Tie Lynch - No lynch

Nightfall - Only if unanymous (including the one being voted for)

PM's - PM's received from the GM cannot be quoted in thread, penalty will be loss of vote, night action and posting privileges for a day/night period

Village Win - Kill all of the wolves

Zombie Win - Reach a 1:1 ratio with the village

Borg Win - outnumber all other players

[Danny]

Sign ups:

1. Render
2. Hoopsguy - Lynch Day 7, Distracter
3. Schmidty
4. Darth Vilus
5. Abe Sargent - Night Kill Day 2, Bodyguard
6. Autumn - Night Kill Day 4, Vampire
7. Real Deal - Killed by Kwhit Day 4, Love em or Hate em guy
8. EagleFan - Night Kill Day 3, Seer
9. Lathum - Night Kill Day 1, Reborn Day 2, Night kill Day 7
10. PurdueBrad
11. DaddyTorgo - Lynch Day 1, Crazy Granny
12. Jackal
13. Ntndeacon
14. J23 - Lynch Day 6, Ballot Box Stuffer
15. CrimsonFox - Night Kill Day 6, Slut
16. Saldana - Lynch Day 5, Governor
17. Dubb - Lynch Day 8, Whiny Bitch
18. Path - Night kill Day 8, Resurrectionist
19. Kwhit
20. Henry - Lynched Day 4, Ghost Whisperer

[Danny]

Roles/Rules:

Good:
Crazy Granny: Whenever Crazy Granny is targeted at night, by anyone, she pulls out her shotgun and shoots that person dead.

Schizophrenic- Each night, a die roll determines what role this person will have. The possible roles are seer, bodyguard, fake seer, weak bodyguard (overpowered and killed if the person they are protecting is attacked but the protected person will live), slut, and witness (follow a person and get info on their actions or what happens to them). The trick here is that the player will NOT know what role they actually have when they submit their action each night, they simply submit a name of a person who they wish to use their random power on (they can include themselves). Each day a new role is spun/issued.

Vampire (Good): This vampire settled down in this village and blends in well.
Once every 2 cycles, the vampire sucks blood from a villager of his choice. They control that villager as well and get their vote for that cycle. (He tells the GM in secret whose vote he gets. The villager does not know who controls his vote.)

Bodyguard: You may guard one person each nigh but will not find out the result of the guard or discover identity. You may self guard but may not guard the same person two nights in a row.

Seer: You may scan one person each night to see if they are a wolf.

Evil:

Good/Bad/Neutral
Mobster: Each day the Mobster may (put someone on ice) for 24 hours. The person may not post in the thread until after the following night's deadline.

Aware - this role (can be villager or wolf) will know if they were the target of another role action.

Ballot-Box Stuffer: This person gets two votes, but the fact they have two votes is not explicitly revealed. In other words, when that person votes, during the day, their vote is counted on the tallies as one vote, but when the vote is finalized, that person's vote will be counted as two (without revealing who had the extra vote). The two votes are always used and the person does not get to only use one if they choose.

The Slut: Every night you can target one player. That player will be unable to take any actions that evening. They will know if it stops them from taking an action that it is because they spent the evening engaging in strenuous activities with The Slut, but will not learn your name.

Borg: Starts the game off as neutral. If targeted at night by any action other than a NK, turns that player into a Borg. The affected player will have their memory wiped and will not know they have been converted, nor think anything malicious happened. Only the original Borg has this power. If at any time the Borg outnumber other players, the Borg player wins.

Ghost Wisperer: Once per day you may send and receive one PM from one dead player. This PM may be no more than 20 words long and may maintain the integrity of the game ( nothing like " Clap told me he is a wolf after he killed me"). The GM must be copied on these PM's.

Vengeful God: You are a vengeful god. Cross you once, shame on you. Cross you twice? Death to them. The first player in the game to cast a vote for you twice (note this includes votes that have been unvoted) will be struck dead by you. This role can be either good or evil.

Resurrector - May, once per game, bring a dead player back into the game as a vanilla player for their side (i.e. vanilla wolf or vanilla villager). If it was a player who was lynched, the resurrector may not have voted for that player.

Distractor: The Distractor nullifies the vote immediately following theirs. This also means they would nullify the first vote of the next day if they are the last one to vote on a particular day.

Whiny Bitch: you constantly annoy other WW players by whining about how you die on the first day or night all the time and then you go to the whining thread and bitch about it some more...if you are the target of the night kill on the first night, or the winner of the lynch vote on the first day, you will be spared, just so no one has to listen to you cry like a little girl for the next 8 or 10 days while the game continues to be played. if this power is activated, you must change your Sig to include the phrase "I am a whiny bitch" which must be left there for the duration of WW 100. failure to add this to your sig in a timeframe dictated by the GM will result in your instant and splendiferous death.

The Governor - May issue a one time pardon of a player that is being lynched, if pardoned the player's role will be revealed but they will not be lynched.

The Love or Hate em Guy- Half of the players in the game will have have their votes counted against you twice as they secretly hate you and half will not have their vote count at all as they secretly love you. Each night you will of one player from each list.

Gladiator: If this person is lynched, he/she gets to pick someone to duel. There is a 50/50 chance of that other person being killed instead of the person voted out.

Survivor - The first time this player is either lynched or attempted to be night-killed, he/she is immune. After this ability occurs, it isn't available the rest of the game.

Soothsayer: You may once per game examine the statement of a player to determine whether or not they are telling the truth.

[Danny]

Important Posts

[RendeR]

In!


Mobster: Each day the Mobster may (put someone on ice) for 24 hours. The person may not post in the thread until after the following night's deadline.

[hoopsguy]

Aware - this role (can be villager or wolf) will know if they were the target of another role action.

Example #1 - if they are scanned, they will be notified that they were scanned but not by who.
Example #2 - if they are protected by the bodyguard, they will be notified that they were protected but not by who.

[Schmidty]

I am so in.

Do I have to post my special rule/power thing again?

[Danny]

I am so in.

Do I have to post my special rule/power thing again?

Please :)

[Abe Sargent]

I won;t be able to play because I don;t get back from vacation until late on Jan 6. :(

[Danny]

Hmm, maybe I will move the start date back a couple days to give some people extra time to get back from vacations.

Also, for the theme of the game, what I would like to do is match up roles with characters in previous werewolf games who lived through.

[Darth Vilus]

Im in!

I'm gonna give my role a little thought first though

[Autumn]

I'm in, especially if it's bumped back a bit. I'll have to ponder the rule though.

[Danny]

I bumped the date back a couple days to the 7th as a start date.

[Schmidty]

We need to make this the biggest game ever.

Someone needs to get BK and Cronin back for one last swan song.

[Autumn]

That would be great, to get some old players back. Hit the telephone lines folks!

[RealDeal]

Ill signup.

My role is the ballot-box stuffer. This person gets two votes, but the fact they have two votes is not explicitly revealed. In other words, when that person votes, during the day, their vote is counted on the tallies as one vote, but when the vote is finalized, that person's vote will be counted as two (without revealing who had the extra vote).

I think it's a fun role because it can be figured out by the other players by looking at old votes and because it leaves some uncertainty in the final vote count.

[Abe Sargent]

In, rule later

[EagleFan]

In, will come up with a rule later as well.

[Lathum]

In, rule will come later.

[PurdueBrad]

I'm in, still working out my rule as well.

[The Jackal]

I'm in, will probably go with inferno hunter rule but gimme some time to think it over.

[RealDeal]

Ill signup.

My role is the ballot-box stuffer. This person gets two votes, but the fact they have two votes is not explicitly revealed. In other words, when that person votes, during the day, their vote is counted on the tallies as one vote, but when the vote is finalized, that person's vote will be counted as two (without revealing who had the extra vote).

I think it's a fun role because it can be figured out by the other players by looking at old votes and because it leaves some uncertainty in the final vote count.

A couple of tweaks to this role:

1. The person with the role gets two votes every day whether they want it or not. They can't choose to use less than two votes on a given day. This puts more strategy into the equation because the person with the role has to think about how to vote to not give themselves away too early.

2. Votes can't be split on different people.

3. I actually think this would be more interesting as a wolf role than a villager role, but it could go either way.

[Autumn]

It occurs to me that some rule or role ideas don't really work if publicized. Are we going for all public roles/rules, or is it okay to maybe PM rule ideas?

[Danny]

It occurs to me that some rule or role ideas don't really work if publicized. Are we going for all public roles/rules, or is it okay to maybe PM rule ideas?

All public (at least all your submitted roles). Reason being is that it can give an unfair advantage to the person who submitted the hidden role unless everyone knows about it.

I will say this, in order to address the full reveal to find the wolves, I expect many roles to be under the multiple side / ambiguous category, even if they normally may be a villager only role. I hope to have most assumptions about a role having to be good or bad go out the window. I think it has to be this way for a game with everyone having roles to work.

[DaddyTorgo]

IN

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, here's my role, and it's from one of my previous games:

Crazy Granny: Whenever Crazy Granny is targeted at night, by anyone, she pulls out her shotgun and shoots that person dead.

[Lathum]

Okay, here's my role, and it's from one of my previous games:

Crazy Granny: Whenever Crazy Granny is targeted at night, by anyone, she pulls out her shotgun and shoots that person dead.

Good roles as well?

[Danny]

Thats what I assumed.

[The Jackal]

Here's my role, open for tweaking depending on how the balance looks next week.

Borg: Starts the game off as neutral. If targeted at night by any action other than a NK, turns that player into a Borg. The affected player will have their memory wiped and will not know they have been converted, nor think anything malicious happened. Only the original Borg has this power. If at any time the Borg outnumber other players, the Borg win.

[Autumn]

Here's my role, open for tweaking depending on how the balance looks next week.

Borg: Starts the game off as neutral. If targeted at night by any action other than a NK, turns that player into a Borg. The affected player will have their memory wiped and will not know they have been converted, nor think anything malicious happened. Only the original Borg has this power. If at any time the Borg outnumber other players, the Borg win.

Wait, how would the Borg grow in numbers?

[The Jackal]

Wait, how would the Borg grow in numbers?

Only if the original Borg is targeted by a night action (seer, BG, wolf scan, or any other of the random roles in this game that will have a night ability). So the original Borg would have to be targeted by multiple roles throughout the game to increase its numbers.

[Autumn]

I think I'm simply going to go with The Slut.

The Slut: Every night you can target one player. That player will be unable to take any actions that evening. They will know that this is because they spent the evening engaging in strenuous activities with The Slut, but will not learn your name.

[Autumn]

Only if the original Borg is targeted by a night action (seer, BG, wolf scan, or any other of the random roles in this game that will have a night ability). So the original Borg would have to be targeted by multiple roles throughout the game to increase its numbers.

Oh I get it, it turns the player taking the action into a Borg. I misunderstood. Very cool.

[Abe Sargent]

Good roles as well?

Yup

[Danny]

Bump, need to things in if we are to start next week.

[RendeR]

Come on people lets get your asses moving!

[Autumn]

This needs to be big. Did we advertise in the OT board yet?

[The Jackal]

Probably going to have to postpone a few days unless everyone shows up in the next day or two!

[ntndeacon]

ok I am in if I am not too late. with a role of bbodyguard. I know a little boring, but one I did not see listed as of yet.

[J23]

I'm in also if not too late.

Role: Distractor

The Distractor nullifies the vote immediately following theirs. This also means they would nullify the first vote of the next day if they are the last one to vote on a particular day.

[CrimsonFox]

Role:

Vampire (Good) - This vampire settled down in this village and blends in well.
Once every 2 cycles, the vampire sucks blood from a villager of his choice. They control that villager as well and get their vote for that cycle. (He tells the GM in secret whose vote he gets. The villager does not know who controls his vote.)

Werewolves can sniff the extra blood on the vampire. They can choose two people each turn, indicating their first choice AND their second. If either of these is the vampire, the werewolves kill the vampire (due to werewolves hating vampires). If neither are vampires the first choice is the one that dies.

[hoopsguy]

Welcome to FOFC Werewolf, CrimsonFox.

[PurdueBrad]

Alright, this role may be too much and if it is Danny, then simply add me to the game with no rule.

Schizophrenic- Each night, a die roll determines what role this person will have. The possible roles are seer, bodyguard, fake seer, weak bodyguard (overpowered and killed if the person they are protecting is attacked but the protected person will live), slut, and witness (follow a person and get info on their actions or what happens to them). The trick here is that the player will NOT know what role they actually have when they submit their action each night, they simply submit a name of a person who they wish to use their random power on (they can include themselves). Each day a new role is spun/issued.

[Danny]

Alright, this role may be too much and if it is Danny, then simply add me to the game with no rule.

Schizophrenic- Each night, a die roll determines what role this person will have. The possible roles are seer, bodyguard, fake seer, weak bodyguard (overpowered and killed if the person they are protecting is attacked but the protected person will live), slut, and witness (follow a person and get info on their actions or what happens to them). The trick here is that the player will NOT know what role they actually have when they submit their action each night, they simply submit a name of a person who they wish to use their random power on (they can include themselves). Each day a new role is spun/issued.

Sounds cool, so I'll make it work somehow :)

[Schmidty]

Resurrector - May, once per game, bring a dead player back into the game as a vanilla player for their side (i.e. vanilla wolf or vanilla villager). If it was a player who was lynched, the resurrector may not have voted for that player.

[dubb93]

I'll play.

[saldana]

ill play

im going to go with a little bit more refinement on my original role

you are the whiny bitch..you constantly annoy other WW players by whining about how you die on the first day or night all the time and then you go to the whining thread and bitch about it some more...if you are the target of the night kill on the first night, or the winner of the lynch vote on the first day, you will be spared, just so no one has to listen to you cry like a little girl for the next 8 or 10 days while the game continues to be played. if this power is activated, you must change your Sig to include the phrase "I am a whiny bitch" which must be left there for the duration of WW 100. failure to add this to your sig in a timeframe dictated by the GM will result in your instant and splendiferous death.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[Autumn]

That's fantastic, we should have all done meta-game roles like that.

[dubb93]

My role:

Vengeful God - You are a vengeful god. Cross you once, shame on you. Cross you twice? Death to them. The first player in the game to cast a vote for you twice (note this includes votes that have been unvoted) will be struck dead by you. This role can be either good or evil.

[Lathum]

ghost whisperer

Once per day you may send and receive one PM from one dead player. This PM may be no more than 20 words long and may maintain the integrity of the game ( nothing like " Clap told me he is a wolf after he killed me"). The GM must be copied on these PM's.

[The Jackal]

and if he's evil make him cesar millan, dog whisperer

[saldana]

this is going to be the most chaotic game in the history of the game...there are gonna be about 10 people dead on the first day...its gonna be awesome.

[Lathum]

I figured this may be Saldanas rule, he came up with it in his first game.

would have been nice if the rules to this game were actually listed in the rules...whats gonna happen tommorow, the person that gets lynched pulls out a grenade and blows up 3 more villagers?

[saldana]

I figured this may be Saldanas rule, he came up with it in his first game.


LOL...i remember that...i was such a noob...i flamed out on Neon over the Brutal Wolf mechanic...many games later in another Neon game, i actually was the brutal and asked him if i could blow people up with a grenade when i got lynched, but it didnt fit the story :(

btw, if you have enought time to go look for a post from WW 13 or something, you should be playing WoW!

[EagleFan]

The Governor - May issue a one time pardon of a player that is being lynched, if pardoned the player's role will be revealed but they will not be lynched.

[CrimsonFox]

Role:

Vampire (Good) - This vampire settled down in this village and blends in well.
Once every 2 cycles, the vampire sucks blood from a villager of his choice. They control that villager as well and get their vote for that cycle. (He tells the GM in secret whose vote he gets. The villager does not know who controls his vote.)

Werewolves can sniff the extra blood on the vampire. They can choose two people each turn, indicating their first choice AND their second. If either of these is the vampire, the werewolves kill the vampire (due to werewolves hating vampires). If neither are vampires the first choice is the one that dies.

Slight correction. The Werewolves only do the "pick twice" thing on the same night that the vampikre sucks someone else's vote. So they do their abilities on the same round (every other round)

[Danny]

I've sent some PM's out looking for more signups, hopefully we can get up to at least 22+

[path12]

#100 will be a good number for a werewolf finale. I'll play, but have no extra role to submit. Looks like there are enough of them already anyways.

[Lathum]

finale?

[Chief Rum]

After some consideration, I have decided that, unfortunately, I will not be able to join up. Just bad timing. I will be away most of the week after next (second week of this game), and this week, at least three of my nights are shot, in addition to the usual daytime work schedule.

I'll be reading along with interest, though.

[Danny]

We'll just go with what we get by tonight and have fun with it.

[Danny]

I added the roles of a a seer and the love em or hate em guy. I want everyone with a role, so next person who posts a role in the next couple of hours gets a second one added. Ideally it will be another neutral/good/evil role.

[Schmidty]

Survivor - The first time this player is either lynched or attempted to be night-killed, he/she is immune. After this ability occurs, it isn't available the rest of the game.

Could be good or bad role.

[KWhit]

Danny,

I'll play if it's not too late to join.

My rule add is Gladiator: If this person is lynched, he/she gets to pick someone to duel. There is a 50/50 chance of that other person being killed instead of the person voted out.

This is a good/bad/ or neutral role and a one-time deal.

[Danny]

You're in Kwhit as well as anyone else who signs up in the next hour or so.

[henry296]

Danny,

I'll play. Can't think of any neutral roles, but like the Soothsayer.

[Danny]

Roles starting to go out now.

[Danny]

All roles have been sent out. I didn't include the you are a villager on a few, but if there wasn't other people on your PM and you weren't told you were a wolf then you are a villager.

[Danny]

First deadline is Monday at 9pm eastern!

[hoopsguy]

Well, just a plain old vanilla villager here.




I kid, I kid.

[PurdueBrad]

Hey guys, good to see the game get underway. Checking in.

[saldana]

so it has been a while since i played, who is the new "day 1 for no good reason" candidate?

[claphamsa]

me :)

[henry296]

Checking in. I have no FOFC access at work only by phone. I will read at work and mostly post at night starting around 8 pm.

[DaddyTorgo]

Checking in! I'm a villager.

[DaddyTorgo]

oh - and my next couple weeks at work suddenly became insane-busy at like...3pm on Friday. So I'm here, and I'm down with this game and I intend to kickass and take names as a villager, but my posting-volume will likely be lighter during the day (unless this becomes my "brain break")

[Abe Sargent]

Abe's here ,never fear

[Danny]

I have fieldwork today, but can answer questions if they are emailed dannykdri at gmail.com and will be home before deadline.

[KWhit]

Hey guys.

Just checking in. Nice to see game 100 finally get going.

[DaddyTorgo]

he seemed so calm there when he was checking in, and not at all excited. like he was trying to keep his emotions in check!!!

VOTE KWHIT

[DaddyTorgo]

just kidding around!

UNVOTE KWHIT

[KWhit]

I'm keeping my eye on you, DT.

[DaddyTorgo]

haha...BRING IT ON!!!

[DaddyTorgo]

oh wait

*keeps a lower profile*

[DaddyTorgo]

wouldn't do to get lynched early

[Autumn]

Wow, this game is going to be really wild. It's going to be hard to figure out the implications of all these roles. I am here and will be trying to conceive of some clever strategy to out the wolves.

[DaddyTorgo]

#100 will be a good number for a werewolf finale. I'll play, but have no extra role to submit. Looks like there are enough of them already anyways.

finale?

[Lathum]

Checking in.

[DaddyTorgo]

imma vote Path if he thinks this is the ww-finale

[DaddyTorgo]

or lathum, since that's historically a good vote (i kid i kid)

[RealDeal]

I am a villager. I am not a vanilla villager, but I don't have one of the exciting powerful roles. My role is one of the more "fun" ones.

[saldana]

Wow, this game is going to be really wild. It's going to be hard to figure out the implications of all these roles. I am here and will be trying to conceive of some clever strategy to out the wolves.
i was thinking the same thing...i had actually typed out a post earlier in the morning suggesting the Crazy Granny reveal and let us all vote for her and have the Govenor reveal and pardon her, thus giving us 2 cleared villagers immediately, one of whom cant be killed at night, but I have to reread all the roles to see if there are other ways to kill the granny before i can be sure that is a good idea.

[saldana]

dola, why is everyone avoiding the "finale" question...people have commented on it 3 or 4 times since the comment was made and it is now being ignored...whats the deal yo!?

[DaddyTorgo]

but if the crazy granny reveals then the wolves won't go after her right? and isn't part of the benefit that if the wolves try to eat her then she kills them?

i mean the flipside of that is that some good person could try to use a power on the granny and get blown away...

[ntndeacon]

I am here in between starting the semester.

[J23]

Checking in. Time to go back and re-read the truckload of roles to figure out what's going on.

[path12]

It's my finale, not WW's.

Checking in. Hi!

[RendeR]

I'm here, looks like it will be a typical long quiet day 1.

I'll vote later on, probably before dinnertime though as I'll be downstairs cleaning my basement most of the night.

[DaddyTorgo]

It's my finale, not WW's.

Checking in. Hi!

unacceptable! :rant:

[DaddyTorgo]

we have a borg? that's awesome!!

[hoopsguy]

I honestly have no idea how to play Day 1 in this game compared to any other game. There pretty much has to be some optimal play, given the diversity of roles here but I don't think I'm going to have enough FOFC time today to really work on this.

[path12]

I honestly have no idea how to play Day 1 in this game compared to any other game. There pretty much has to be some optimal play, given the diversity of roles here but I don't think I'm going to have enough FOFC time today to really work on this.

I hadn't really followed the custom roles much until just this morning. Two things jump out:

1) There are a lot of ways for us not to know exactly who is going to be lynched by votes alone (love/hate guy for example). That's gonna play hell with vote analysis.

2) There don't appear to be a lot of roles that can bring folks back. I see one or two but they look pretty conditional.

My hope was that we could have a sacrifical lamb for day one that someone could bring back if they turned out good. Other than the Whiny Bitch (great role, btw) I don't see any.

[hoopsguy]

Even with the Whiny Bitch, there is no guarantee that we are bringing back a villager. It is listed under "Good/Bad/Neutral" and I don't see anything in the description that suggests it must be good.

Only value-add in doing this is in avoiding a Day 1 lynch to try and get other people through Day 1 to use their powers.

[path12]

Are allegiances revealed on lynch? If so, we'd know exactly what we were bringing back, wouldn't we?

Course, I might just be rusty and missing something obvious.

[KWhit]

i was thinking the same thing...i had actually typed out a post earlier in the morning suggesting the Crazy Granny reveal and let us all vote for her and have the Govenor reveal and pardon her, thus giving us 2 cleared villagers immediately, one of whom cant be killed at night, but I have to reread all the roles to see if there are other ways to kill the granny before i can be sure that is a good idea.

I don't care for this strategy (at least not this early). 2 cleared villagers doesn't help us too much yet, since the day one vote would still be a pretty big shot in the dark anyway. And the big benefit of the Crazy Granny is that she can kill us a wolf if she's targeted for a night kill (something that obviously won't happen if she's revealed).

Now, obviously, if the CG is getting close to being lynched by us, she should reveal herself, but I don't want her to be out in the open so soon.

[KWhit]

Are allegiances revealed on lynch?

Boy, I hope so. Otherwise this is gonna be hella hard.

[CrimsonFox]

checking in. Yeah this is crazy. (but not as crazy as granny)

[Poli]

Rats, I missed the cutoff date.

[dubb93]

Rats, I missed the cutoff date.

Poli!

[Abe Sargent]

I think we are all kinda of waiting to see how today goes and no one wants to cast the first stone.

[hoopsguy]

Are allegiances revealed on lynch? If so, we'd know exactly what we were bringing back, wouldn't we?

Course, I might just be rusty and missing something obvious.

In the case of "Whiny Bitch" we aren't bringing them back - they are spared.

if you are the target of the night kill on the first night, or the winner of the lynch vote on the first day, you will be

spared, just so no one has to listen to you cry like a little girl for the next 8 or 10 days while the game continues to be played.

My assumption on reading this was "no kill", so I would not have expected to learn faction. If the moderator wants to jump in and clarify on this point, that would be great.

[Autumn]

I keep forgetting werewolf is back in action! If nobody has a good tactic for first day vote soon I'll just pick someone I guess. We need to start voting at some point!

[Lathum]

Vote Autumn

[ntndeacon]

I might vote for the Whiny Bitch just to see the siggy. lol

[saldana]

I don't care for this strategy (at least not this early). 2 cleared villagers doesn't help us too much yet, since the day one vote would still be a pretty big shot in the dark anyway. And the big benefit of the Crazy Granny is that she can kill us a wolf if she's targeted for a night kill (something that obviously won't happen if she's revealed).

Now, obviously, if the CG is getting close to being lynched by us, she should reveal herself, but I don't want her to be out in the open so soon.

i dont care for it either, which is why i didnt post it the first time i thought of it.

i think one that is going to keep today going extremely slow is the fear of the "vengeful god" role...two votes for the same person could be your own butt in the sling, so i know i am being extra cautious.

[Autumn]

I don't think it would be a bad idea for the Granny to reveal since she can't be nightkilled. I could see the allure of trying to catch a wolf with it though. And with all the odd roles I suppose there's the chance the wolves have something they can use to get the Granny killed anyway.

[path12]

I don't think it would be a bad idea for the Granny to reveal since she can't be nightkilled. I could see the allure of trying to catch a wolf with it though. And with all the odd roles I suppose there's the chance the wolves have something they can use to get the Granny killed anyway.

No way. Not unless she's about to be lynched. Too valuable otherwise in my opinion.

[KWhit]

I don't think it would be a bad idea for the Granny to reveal since she can't be nightkilled. I could see the allure of trying to catch a wolf with it though. And with all the odd roles I suppose there's the chance the wolves have something they can use to get the Granny killed anyway.

No way. Not unless she's about to be lynched. Too valuable otherwise in my opinion.

It would be great for the wolves if Granny revealed now.

Hmmm.......

[DaddyTorgo]

long as the seer doesn't land on her

[ntndeacon]

I don't think it would be a bad idea for the Granny to reveal since she can't be nightkilled. I could see the allure of trying to catch a wolf with it though. And with all the odd roles I suppose there's the chance the wolves have something they can use to get the Granny killed anyway.

I wouldn't reveal yet though. It would be better for the granny to wait before saying who she is.

[KWhit]

long as the seer doesn't land on her

I am not reading from the rules that a seer-scan would trigger the Granny's power. I take "target" to mean kill.

Crazy Granny: Whenever Crazy Granny is targeted at night, by anyone, she pulls out her shotgun and shoots that person dead.

[Autumn]

I am not reading from the rules that a seer-scan would trigger the Granny's power. I take "target" to mean kill.

I assume "by anyone" means not just the wolves.

[DaddyTorgo]

yeah...i think a seer scan = a target.

mayhaps we can get a reading on that rule...i'll email the GM

[KWhit]

I assume "by anyone" means not just the wolves.

Yes, I agree. But I wasn't considering a seer scan as a targeting of the player. I was assuming that "target" referred to a malicious action - like from the vampire, mobster, something like that.

I mean, if the Granny auto-kills the seer or bodyguard just because they chose her to scan or guard, that is a wacky role and one that we would need to deal with immediately.

So yeah, we need a clarification from the GM, IMO.

[DaddyTorgo]

I sent an email - will post the reply that I get. Kind of an important distinction for strategical purposes

[path12]

Yes, I agree. But I wasn't considering a seer scan as a targeting of the player. I was assuming that "target" referred to a malicious action - like from the vampire, mobster, something like that.

I mean, if the Granny auto-kills the seer or bodyguard just because they chose her to scan or guard, that is a wacky role and one that we would need to deal with immediately.

So yeah, we need a clarification from the GM, IMO.

She's listed under "good" for a role. There's no way a good role should be able to wipe out the seer/bodyguard. I'm going under the assumption that target=actioned on by wolves until otherwise informed.

[Autumn]

She's listed under "good" for a role. There's no way a good role should be able to wipe out the seer/bodyguard. I'm going under the assumption that target=actioned on by wolves until otherwise informed.

I think she's crazy for a reason, but we can wait and see.

[path12]

In the meantime, I'll go with my usual day 1 inclination of voting for someone who hasn't checked in yet.

VOTE DARTH VILIUS

Good to meet'cha.

[KWhit]

She's listed under "good" for a role. There's no way a good role should be able to wipe out the seer/bodyguard. I'm going under the assumption that target=actioned on by wolves until otherwise informed.

Oh, I agree. I think it's a wacky assumption that she'd kill the seer. Which is why I was assuming that the only people she'd benefit by revealing this early is the wolves. And I still think that. But we need to be sure.

[DaddyTorgo]

"crazy" makes me think she could quite easily kill the seer

[Schmidty]

Checking in. I'm about to go get lunch, and then pick up the kid, but I'll be around later.

[CrimsonFox]

In the meantime, I'll go with my usual day 1 inclination of voting for someone who hasn't checked in yet.

VOTE DARTH VILIUS

Good to meet'cha.

I'll go along with that. UNvillagers don't help.

VOTE DARTH VILIUS

[hoopsguy]

I'm a little leery of the "vote for the guy that is not here" logic. I completely understand the attractiveness of doing so (they aren't here so won't be offended by vote, they aren't contributing so they are better to cull early) but it also seems like an easy way to create a run.

Every once in awhile I'll stake out a position like this when I feel like a previously logical argument is being exploited. This kind of feels that way to me right now.

VOTE PATH12

[Darth Vilus]

alright already, im checkin in. I forgot it was the 11th already. Feels like december just ended. so the roles look pretty fun in general, it will be interesting to see how this game goes

[Abe Sargent]

Yes, I agree. But I wasn't considering a seer scan as a targeting of the player. I was assuming that "target" referred to a malicious action - like from the vampire, mobster, something like that.

I mean, if the Granny auto-kills the seer or bodyguard just because they chose her to scan or guard, that is a wacky role and one that we would need to deal with immediately.

So yeah, we need a clarification from the GM, IMO.

When I submitted, the role, it was with the intent that any character that guards, kills, sluts, seers, etc her at night gets offed. We'll see if Danny interprets it that way, but that was my intent.

[Abe Sargent]

I mean, after all, that's the balance. She can;t be night killed, and she will even kill a wolf that comes after her, but, you could wind up with a seer or guard dead tomorrow. She's crazy! She shoots anyone who comes near her!

[DaddyTorgo]

right - otherwise she's overpowered for good.

[Darth Vilus]

honestly, who would give a paranoid old lady a shotgun? I have no clue

[KWhit]

I get what you're saying. If that's the interpretation that Danny puts on the role, I think she should reveal immediately.

If not - if "target" means a malicious type action against her - then she should stay quiet.

[Darth Vilus]

I'm heading out to work in a few so i'm gonn a go ahead and throw in my vote now

VOTE CRIMSONFOX

him and path better watch out. No one who invokes the wrath of the dark lord and lives for long.

[path12]

I'm a little leery of the "vote for the guy that is not here" logic. I completely understand the attractiveness of doing so (they aren't here so won't be offended by vote, they aren't contributing so they are better to cull early) but it also seems like an easy way to create a run.

Every once in awhile I'll stake out a position like this when I feel like a previously logical argument is being exploited. This kind of feels that way to me right now.

VOTE PATH12


I see that logic for a second vote, but the first one? I'm not telling anyone who to vote for, rather just sticking with a general philosophy since there is nothing else to go on day 1.

That's a weird post, hoops.

[path12]

I'll go along with that. UNvillagers don't help.

VOTE DARTH VILIUS

I guess we know he's not the vengeful god now.

[path12]

him and path better watch out. No one who invokes the wrath of the dark lord and lives for long.

Eh. Never was a Star Wars fan. I'll risk it. ;)

Actually, I'll probably change my vote again later if there is still anyone who hasn't checked in.

[hoopsguy]

Path, it is the "general philosophy" that I think is being used as a way to obscure votes.

If you are a villager, then you must believe what you are saying.
If you are a wolf, then it is a convenient way to hide an early vote.

My vibe on this - one that I'm interested to hear if others share or not, although that would probably be a more honest discussion post-game - is that wolves are casting votes like this earlier in the day all the time rather than getting caught having to "save" candidates late in the day.

I've got no idea if I'm making a good vote here or not based on that one post. But as far as day one votes go, I'm willing to play gut a little bit more than on later days.

[hoopsguy]

The part that I think is weird, however, is that DV did not follow me voting on Path. I know a 2-1 vs 2-2 margin is not that big a deal in the overall scheme of things, but most of the time players move into self-preservation mode with their votes well before they actually need to do so.

That, more than path's response, has me a little weirded out right now.

[DaddyTorgo]

interesting hoopycakes

[Abe Sargent]

Vote hoopsguy


I don't get voting for a guy in what he claimed might be his last WW game ever on Day One.

[path12]

Path, it is the "general philosophy" that I think is being used as a way to obscure votes.

If you are a villager, then you must believe what you are saying.
If you are a wolf, then it is a convenient way to hide an early vote.

My vibe on this - one that I'm interested to hear if others share or not, although that would probably be a more honest discussion post-game - is that wolves are casting votes like this earlier in the day all the time rather than getting caught having to "save" candidates late in the day.

I've got no idea if I'm making a good vote here or not based on that one post. But as far as day one votes go, I'm willing to play gut a little bit more than on later days.


Now, it's been awhile since I played, and maybe this has become a WW truism that a day 1 vote for someone who hasn't checked in is a wolf maneuver, but for me it's a stance that I've adopted throughout my playing time. I did put it out there earlier than I normally would but there were hardly any votes on the table so figured why not?

I'm not bothered by getting a vote, so don't get me wrong on that. But calling that particular vote out because of a "general philosophy" is what I don't get. Is there some sort of other information I should have day 1 besides a general philosophy?

[The Jackal]

hey guys my computer broke a couple days ago, getting a new one in 1-3 days and just got setup on a piece of crap old one, so that's why i haven't been around today. about to go out to a dinner party, i'll be on most if not all of the day tomorrow, so let me throw out a vote here, very much random and not at all based on the penguins sucking.

VOTE PB

[RealDeal]

vote hoopsguy

Instead of pretending I have a reason, I fully admit that I am voting for him for no other reason whatsoever.

Highly subject to change.

[Autumn]

I'm not feeling it for any of the votes out there right now. I don't want to wait too long and either end up missing a vote or get stuck deciding between these targets. So I'm going to go ahead and just vote gut. I suspect one of the active people today would be a wolf and DT has posted a lot today while not drawing much attention. There's not much more to it than that, but here's another option out there.

<b>VOTE DADDYTORGO</B>

[Danny]

I assume "by anyone" means not just the wolves.

This is correct, any night ability that targets her has this result, including abilities of the villager.

[KWhit]

This is correct, any night ability that targets her has this result, including abilities of the villager.

Yuck.

I think it's likely then that the Crazy Granny has a better chance of killing a villager than a wolf with her ability. Therefore, since it is a Good role, it is in our best interests if the Crazy Granny reveals. Soon.

I'm not trying to tell you what to do, but I am pointing out that IMO, that strategy is what is best for the village.

[KWhit]

Anybody have a vote count?

[EagleFan]

Sorry, had a rough day at work and almost forgot this started today (getting old I guess since I debated about waiting for the roles to go out last night before goiing to bed).

[saldana]

well, since this is an iconic game, might as well go with the oldie but goodie

vote dubb

[Autumn]

This is correct, any night ability that targets her has this result, including abilities of the villager.

All right, that's as I figured. I agree with KWhit that it probably makes sense to reveal then, avoid killing someone you shouldn't. And I very much like the idea of having a trusted villager that can't be night killed. It's something to work with.

[Schmidty]

well, since this is an iconic game, might as well go with the oldie but goodie

vote dubb

I agree!! And since Poli isn't here, I'll go with my ex-nemesis:

Vote dubb

[henry296]

I think the Path / Hoops discussion is typical day 1 banter with nothing else to go on and the dub votes are typical day 1. With nothing else to go on, I'll keep it close.

VOTE DaddyTorgo

[KWhit]

Anybody have a vote count?

[Poli]

I agree!! And since Poli isn't here, I'll go with my ex-nemesis:

Vote dubb
!

[EagleFan]

vote DaddyTorgo

No real reason at the moment except to turn up the heat a little and see what shakes out.

[RendeR]

When all else fails and you have nothing to go on, vote for the person you trust least.

My problem is this. lathum and hoops are BOTH playing.....

VOTE HOOPS

He's still the trickiest guy out there =)

[KWhit]

Here's the votes I have so far.

Let me know if I missed anything.

Autumn - Lathum (113)
Darth Vilus - path12 (128) Crimson fox (132)
Path12 - Hoopsguy (133)
Crimson Fox - Darth Vilus (140)
Hoopsguy - Abe Sargent (147), RealDeal (150), RendeR (163)
PurdueBrad - Jackal (149)
DaddyTorgo - Autumn (151), henry296 (159), EagleFan (162)
Dubb - Saldana (156), Schmidty (158)

[EagleFan]

As of 163:

DaddyTorgo 3
hoopsguy 3
Darth Vilus 2
dubb93 2
Autumn 1
path12 1
CrimsonFox 1
PurdueBrad 1

[EagleFan]

I guess he beat me to it...

[RendeR]

Gotta put the kids to bed, I'll check the results later on.

[KWhit]

I'll break the tie, only because Hoops is almost always an early target (by wolves, village or seer), so I'll look elsewhere tonight.

VOTE DADDYTORGO

[PurdueBrad]

In honor of game 100, I'll vote the guy that has screwed me tons.

vote Hoopsguy

Also Jackal, my Penguins do not suck! We're just struggling some.

[PurdueBrad]

I'll move to prevent a tie or if any info comes to light.

BTW, do we know the tie-dynamic?

[PurdueBrad]

NM, my lazy ass decided to look. I will move to keep us from having a no lynch.

[EagleFan]

Also Jackal, my Penguins do not suck! We're just struggling some.

I liked that swiss cheese you called a goallie in the game against the Flyers.... :D

[Lathum]

Unvote autumn
Vote DaddyTorgo

[path12]

We don't actually know a final vote count in the event of a tie, do we? Not with some of the roles in the game that could affect voting.

Just throwing that out there.

[path12]

Damn no edit, I mean any close vote could be suspect.

[Autumn]

That's a good point path, it's going to be near impossible to tell how a vote will come out.

[Autumn]

I expected a bit more action here tonight. Slow day.

[EagleFan]

deadline?

[Danny]

Deadline

[Danny]

I will start working on results though it might take a while as I have been out all day pretty much.

[EagleFan]

Day One Votes:

(80) – DaddyTorgo votes Kwhit (Kwhit 1)
(81) – DaddyTorgo unvotes Kwhit
(113) – Lathum votes Autumn (Autumn 1)
(128) – path12 votes Darth Vilus (Autumn 1, Darth Vilus 1)
(132) – CrimsonFox votes Darth Vilus (Darth Vilus 2, Autumn 1)
(133) – hoopsguy votes path12 (Darth Vilus 2, Autumn 1, path12 1)
(140) – Darth Vilus votes CrimsonFox (Darth Vilus 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1)
(147) – Abe Sargent votes hoopsguy (Darth Vilus 2, Autumn 1, path 12 1, CrimsonFox 1, hoopsguy 1)
(149) – The Jackal votes PurdueBrad (Darth Vilus 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, hoopsguy 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(150) – RealDeal votes hoopsguy (Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(151) – Autumn votes DaddyTorgo (Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1, DaddyTorgo 1)
(156) – saldana votes dubb93 (Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1, DaddyTorgo 1, dubb93 1)
(158) – Schmidty votes dubb93 (Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, dubb93 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1, DaddyTorgo 1)
(159) – henry296 votes DaddyTorgo (Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, dubb93 2, DaddyTorgo 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(162) – EagleFan votes DaddyTorgo (DaddyTorgo 3, Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, dubb93 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(163) – RendeR votes hoopsguy (DaddyTorgo 3, hoopsguy 3, Darth Vilus 2, dubb93 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(168) – Kwhit voted DaddyTorgo (DaddyTorgo 4, hoopsguy 3, Darth Vilus 2, dubb93 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(169) – PurdueBrad votes hoopsguy (DaddyTorgo 4, hoopsguy 3, Darth Vilus 2, dubb93 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(173) – Lathum unvotes Autumn, votes DaddyTorgo (DaddyTorgo 5, hoopsguy 3, Darth Vilus 2, dubb93 2, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)

[EagleFan]

Edited (missed upping hoops' total on PB's vote):

(80) – DaddyTorgo votes Kwhit (Kwhit 1)
(81) – DaddyTorgo unvotes Kwhit
(113) – Lathum votes Autumn (Autumn 1)
(128) – path12 votes Darth Vilus (Autumn 1, Darth Vilus 1)
(132) – CrimsonFox votes Darth Vilus (Darth Vilus 2, Autumn 1)
(133) – hoopsguy votes path12 (Darth Vilus 2, Autumn 1, path12 1)
(140) – Darth Vilus votes CrimsonFox (Darth Vilus 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1)
(147) – Abe Sargent votes hoopsguy (Darth Vilus 2, Autumn 1, path 12 1, CrimsonFox 1, hoopsguy 1)
(149) – The Jackal votes PurdueBrad (Darth Vilus 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, hoopsguy 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(150) – RealDeal votes hoopsguy (Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(151) – Autumn votes DaddyTorgo (Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1, DaddyTorgo 1)
(156) – saldana votes dubb93 (Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1, DaddyTorgo 1, dubb93 1)
(158) – Schmidty votes dubb93 (Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, dubb93 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1, DaddyTorgo 1)
(159) – henry296 votes DaddyTorgo (Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, dubb93 2, DaddyTorgo 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(162) – EagleFan votes DaddyTorgo (DaddyTorgo 3, Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, dubb93 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(163) – RendeR votes hoopsguy (DaddyTorgo 3, hoopsguy 3, Darth Vilus 2, dubb93 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(168) – Kwhit voted DaddyTorgo (DaddyTorgo 4, hoopsguy 3, Darth Vilus 2, dubb93 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(169) – PurdueBrad votes hoopsguy (DaddyTorgo 4, hoopsguy 4, Darth Vilus 2, dubb93 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(173) – Lathum unvotes Autumn, votes DaddyTorgo (DaddyTorgo 5, hoopsguy 4, Darth Vilus 2, dubb93 2, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)

[Danny]

Final vote count:

2 Darth Vilus - path12 (128) Crimson fox (132)
1 Path12 - Hoopsguy (133)
1 rimson Fox - Darth Vilus (140)
4 Hoopsguy - Abe Sargent (147), RealDeal (150), RendeR (163), PurdueBrad (169)
1 PurdueBrad - Jackal (149)
5 DaddyTorgo - Autumn (151), henry296 (159), EagleFan (162), Kwhit (168), 1 Lathum (173)
2 Dubb - Saldana (156), Schmidty (158)

This does not take into account any abilities that were used.

[EagleFan]

No vote: ntn, J23, DaddyTorgo, dubb93

[PurdueBrad]

Wow, that's actually a fair amount of no votes.

[hoopsguy]

For what it is worth, I did try to get online to move my vote. But my parents PC, which I'm in the middle of fixing, crapped out. I would have gone self-preservation but didn't like it much.

I tried to get online at ten minutes to deadline and asked if people wanted to follow a vote onto Darth. I questioned his vote choice today more than I questioned DT and would have been interested to see if having him in the race created any late drama. But if there was not movement I definitely would have wanted to slide over to DT rather than risk dying uselessly.

[path12]

So DT posts pretty regularly until 2:28 PM (pacific), then is silent the rest of the time as a run starts against him and never even ends up voting??

That smells to me. Could someone have used their power on him?

[path12]

Good/Bad/Neutral
Mobster: Each day the Mobster may (put someone on ice) for 24 hours. The person may not post in the thread until after the following night's deadline.

Dola. That's just not like DT and I think he's been around all day. Hmmm.

[EagleFan]

As Danny looks over the PM's and tries to keep the rules and roles straight he begins to wonder what he got himself into... ;)

[Autumn]

Probably every wacky role somehow played into the lynch. Some sort of black hole will result.

[hoopsguy]

As Danny looks over the PM's and tries to keep the rules and roles straight he begins to wonder what he got himself into... ;)

This is very, very true :) Big games with tons of unique roles are awfully tough to keep straight. Best of luck with this, Danny.

[Danny]

Today, all of you guys decide to lynch DaddyTorgo. Just as he is about to die, someone yells…
.
.
.
.
.
Grandma!

DaddyTorgo is dead, he was the crazy granny and a villager. (and shall now be known as GrannyTorgo)

[DaddyTorgo]

shit. i totally forgot to come back on and vote before 9 once i knew i was gonna be out

[EagleFan]

Probably every wacky role somehow played into the lynch. Some sort of black hole will result.

Uh oh, I saw this on History Channel yesterday, a small black hole begins and soon the earth implodes upon itself.... WE'RE DOOMED!!!!

[DaddyTorgo]

FUCK....i got lynched?? fuuuuuuuuck

[Autumn]

Oh man, that is ironic.

[Autumn]

That could have been the lynchpin of a CoT right there.

*bangshead*

[Lathum]

shit, I killed Grandmama

[DaddyTorgo]

the one way i could have died.

fuck me.

sorry all...i suck

[path12]

So DT posts pretty regularly until 2:28 PM (pacific), then is silent the rest of the time as a run starts against him and never even ends up voting??

That smells to me. Could someone have used their power on him?

Note to self: quit thinking so goddamn much.

[J23]

And I of course got home way later than expected and missed the deadline. Sorry all :(

[Danny]

Now that Grandma is dead, everyone begins to look around to see who might else not be around. And suddenly you realize a pile of futuristic looking materials that has been torn up. You then realize it is a borg. As you sift through the pile you see facial skin that has been ripped apart and realize it was Lathum!

Lathum is dead, he was the Borg

[Danny]

Day/Night 2 is tomorrow at 9pm eastern. Hopefully we will have a more active day all around, including myself.

[Lathum]

Son of a....

[dubb93]

Ah sonofabitch. Bad day for us with GrannyTorgo and I completely spaced the deadline. For some reason I thought it was 10p. I blame the deadline not being in the thread title.

[Autumn]

Man, I thought the borg would be fun too.

Well, I'm out for the night. You night owls can figure something out for us while we sleep.

[Autumn]

Ah sonofabitch. Bad day for us with GrannyTorgo and I completely spaced the deadline. For some reason I thought it was 10p. I blame the deadline not being in the thread title.

That would help, I had to go back and check.

[Danny]

Fixed now, sorry about that.

[EagleFan]

Not a lot to go on yet, surprised that Lathum was the NK to be honest as I figured he would have been looked at after the lynch.

Maybe meta-gaming here but that may mean the NK order was placed early, before his late switch. If that was the case it may have been an attempt to set DT up.

Going to do some more of my dynasty, will check back in later.

[dubb93]

I guess we can start the day by looking at who voted for GrannyTorgo.

5 DaddyTorgo - Autumn (151), henry296 (159), EagleFan (162), Kwhit (168), 1 Lathum (173)

[Abe Sargent]

Sorry I was not around, my apartmnent PC is having se4vere malware or virus issues and I am working on it. I hopped here on my office PC to look up the program I think is causing it and what the solutions are.

[Abe Sargent]

Here is what I have:

Remove Antivirus Live, removal instructions (http://www.2-spyware.com/remove-antivirus-live.html)

[hoopsguy]

Abe, that is the same one I was dealing with tonight at my parents place.

[ntndeacon]

Sorry I wasn't around. I forgot about a commitment I had made for today.

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, I think it's gone. That's three hours of my life I am not getting back

[CrimsonFox]

Note to self: quit thinking so goddamn much.

ehhh I was thinking the exact thing. The loudmouth obnoxious-sounding people that talk a lot are often a werewolf trying to cover their tracks and appear as "having a party". Then again some people just ARE naturally obnoxious and talk a lot so you never can tell. I probably would have switched had I been able to get back on, but had to vote for someone, so Sorry Darth. Send my regards to the Emperor on your date tonight.

[Darth Vilus]

Well this sucks, not a good day it seems to me. it could have been way worse though, so there's the silver lining. let's do better next time people!

[saldana]

well that day result sucked...massively...one post from GT about his role and we could have had 2 people cleared (if the govenor pardoned him as i suggested)

not too sad about the borg being unassimilated from the village though...i never like when people have their own, unique win conditions.

[hoopsguy]

Checking in! I'm a villager.

oh - and my next couple weeks at work suddenly became insane-busy at like...3pm on Friday. So I'm here, and I'm down with this game and I intend to kickass and take names as a villager, but my posting-volume will likely be lighter during the day (unless this becomes my "brain break")

he seemed so calm there when he was checking in, and not at all excited. like he was trying to keep his emotions in check!!!

VOTE KWHIT

just kidding around!

UNVOTE KWHIT

haha...BRING IT ON!!!

oh wait

*keeps a lower profile*

wouldn't do to get lynched early


So I was taking a look at posts to see if GT had tipped his hand earlier in the day yesterday. I think if you want to expand your mind a little bit then this flurry of posts could have been viewed as he/she having an appealing role and being a bit concerned about lynched.

It is thin, but I know there are several players (self included) who are pretty vigilant about looking for clues in posts. If the wolves thought that he had a bad role for him that may have played a part in their voting for him yesterday.

I'm hopeful that one of our remaining 18 roled players has something more substantial than this to offer up today. But that's my initial take on D1.

I'm at a cross-roads personally between looking at the four remaining/living players who voted for DT and who voted for me. It probably makes more sense to look at DT based on the above analysis, but I obviously take it a bit personally when I'm nearly erased from the game on Day 1 and multiple votes were meta-game logic ("It's Hoops") that people tend to hide behind.

[PurdueBrad]

but I obviously take it a bit personally when I'm nearly erased from the game on Day 1 and multiple votes were meta-game logic ("It's Hoops") that people tend to hide behind.

I'm one of those people, although I will say that when I voted I had to choose between you or DT so it was basically day 1 coin flip for me. It just so happens that it was a double-sided vote Hoops and send him to the afterlife coin! ;)

[Abe Sargent]

Good Morning

[Autumn]

I guess we can start the day by looking at who voted for GrannyTorgo.

5 DaddyTorgo - Autumn (151), henry296 (159), EagleFan (162), Kwhit (168), 1 Lathum (173)

Without knowing the allegiance of the other candidates, I'm not sure this will get us anywhere. But we know that Lathum was good, I know that I'm good and added DT as something like the fourth or fifth candidate. So, I did find it interesting that he gained such momentum. I wouldn't be surprised to find a wolf within those inner three, but I want to look at the day's voting as a whole before I go too far there.

[Autumn]

Edited (missed upping hoops' total on PB's vote):

(80) – DaddyTorgo votes Kwhit (Kwhit 1)
(81) – DaddyTorgo unvotes Kwhit
(113) – Lathum votes Autumn (Autumn 1)
(128) – path12 votes Darth Vilus (Autumn 1, Darth Vilus 1)
(132) – CrimsonFox votes Darth Vilus (Darth Vilus 2, Autumn 1)
(133) – hoopsguy votes path12 (Darth Vilus 2, Autumn 1, path12 1)
(140) – Darth Vilus votes CrimsonFox (Darth Vilus 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1)
(147) – Abe Sargent votes hoopsguy (Darth Vilus 2, Autumn 1, path 12 1, CrimsonFox 1, hoopsguy 1)
(149) – The Jackal votes PurdueBrad (Darth Vilus 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, hoopsguy 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(150) – RealDeal votes hoopsguy (Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(151) – Autumn votes DaddyTorgo (Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1, DaddyTorgo 1)
(156) – saldana votes dubb93 (Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1, DaddyTorgo 1, dubb93 1)
(158) – Schmidty votes dubb93 (Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, dubb93 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1, DaddyTorgo 1)
(159) – henry296 votes DaddyTorgo (Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, dubb93 2, DaddyTorgo 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(162) – EagleFan votes DaddyTorgo (DaddyTorgo 3, Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, dubb93 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(163) – RendeR votes hoopsguy (DaddyTorgo 3, hoopsguy 3, Darth Vilus 2, dubb93 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(168) – Kwhit voted DaddyTorgo (DaddyTorgo 4, hoopsguy 3, Darth Vilus 2, dubb93 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(169) – PurdueBrad votes hoopsguy (DaddyTorgo 4, hoopsguy 4, Darth Vilus 2, dubb93 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(173) – Lathum unvotes Autumn, votes DaddyTorgo (DaddyTorgo 5, hoopsguy 4, Darth Vilus 2, dubb93 2, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)

Notes on this:

Darth got a pretty early lead with two votes and then just stayed there, going from Darth 2-1 over me to the end without any other votes.

Abe puts Hoops into the mix and RealDeal adds onto that a few posts later. If a villager, Hoops makes a very attractive lynch target for the wolves.

Saldana adds Dubb as our 8th candidate. From that point on consolidation seems to be on people's minds. Schmidty seconds dubb and then it's completely DT and Hoops from then on. This makes me guess that Hoops is probably good, as I think the wolves would be happy to have a runoff between two very good villagers, and there were plenty of other directions to go in with votes.

Henry, EF and Kwhit vote GT within 9 posts, Henry putting DT into the mix for real, and EF raising him up over three other vote getters into the lead. Kwhit breaks a tie with his vote for DT.

If we were to assume that Hoops is also a villager then the key votes are probably EF and RendeR putting those two candidates up at the top out of the mix.

If Hoops were a wolf, then you'd have to wonder at the lack of action near the end, leaving it to Lathum to "save" Hoops. KWhit would be the only real suspicious looking one in that scenario.

We've got a lot of non-voters, which makes things hard. Also, we have all the wrinkles in the voting due to roles. We should look at those roles and see if we can figure out anything based on what did or did not happen.

[KWhit]

I don't know why I'd look suspicious there. As I said when I voted, we were down to 2 candidates, and I didn't want to vote for Hoops because he always seems to get lynched or night-killed early anyway and I didn't want to ax him on day 1 with no evidence.

[dubb93]

I don't know why I'd look suspicious there. As I said when I voted, we were down to 2 candidates, and I didn't want to vote for Hoops because he always seems to get lynched or night-killed early anyway and I didn't want to ax him on day 1 with no evidence.

He said if Hoops was a wolf you would look suspicious since you broke a tie between Hoops and DT close to the deadline in the favor of Hoops.

[Autumn]

He said if Hoops was a wolf you would look suspicious since you broke a tie between Hoops and DT close to the deadline in the favor of Hoops.

Right, that's all. I'm just trying to glean anything I can from the record. I don't think there's much there as I suspect if Hoops was bad we would have seen more movement.

[KWhit]

He said if Hoops was a wolf you would look suspicious since you broke a tie between Hoops and DT close to the deadline in the favor of Hoops.

Yeah, true. Which makes sense.

[Abe Sargent]

Do we have a list yet of our non-voters.

[KWhit]

No vote: ntn, J23, DaddyTorgo, dubb93

Here are the nonvoters.

[Abe Sargent]

Well, I want to pressure a non-voter so,

Vote ntndeacon

Who is simply the first on that list.

[RendeR]

No vote: ntn, J23, DaddyTorgo, dubb93


EF handled this yesterday

[RendeR]

*chuckles* timing guys, TIMING =)

[saldana]

so since we cant start the circle around GT, is there any other role that can reveal safely that could be verified?

[Abe Sargent]

so since we cant start the circle around GT, is there any other role that can reveal safely that could be verified?

Well, since only 5 roles are known as good, and one of those is dead....probably not.

[hoopsguy]

Remaining good roles are:
Seer
Bodyguard
Vampire - can control a vote every other day
Schizo - assumes one of six potential roles each day, some good and some not so good

I would think that the first two are pretty much off the table, based on standard WW tactics.

[The Jackal]

way to kill my awesome role wolves :(

[path12]

I'm going to guess that the Vengeful God is bad, because that seems like a role that is as dangerous to the village as the wolves so it would make sense to reveal that, no?

I'm willing to reveal since I believe my power is best used early, but just revealing my power doesn't prove I'm good......so I'm torn.

[ntndeacon]

Wel this is an early vote so this easily could change. I am going to put my vote on one of the votes for DT yesterday. This is probably coincidence, but ican't get past Eagle choosing DT over the 3 other candidates with 2 votes. so

Vote EagleFan

[Schmidty]

Ok, here's my schedule for today - I go to work in 5 minutes. Work and no internet access until about 5:15 EST. Come home to eat something fast, and then leave within 5 minutes to go tutor the middle school until 7:30 EST.

Basically, I won't be around at all today. Just a heads-up.

[Darth Vilus]

[quote=Autumn;2201766]Notes on this:

Darth got a pretty early lead with two votes and then just stayed there, going from Darth 2-1 over me to the end without any other votes.

I'm not complaining, but i get this argument alot. S'not my fault.

VOTE J23

No real reason, just bel;ieve that at least one nonvoter was a wolf. I have to head into work right now and im dead tired, so i dont have the time or the energy to work out a better vote. I'll do better tomorrow

[CrimsonFox]

I may get eaten for this but I got some weird tingling in my toes when Henry voted for DT. How concise and short the post was and that he has said nothing this whole time. I'm leaning toward him atm.
And he is one of the "three"

[hoopsguy]

Darth, yesterday you had two votes on you: Path and CrimsonFox.

I suggested that I thought you were being played as a patsy for not showing up, and voted for Path.

You showed up a couple of minutes later and voted for CrimsonFox instead of Path, even though it was probably in your best interest to vote for Path to create a second candidate opposite you. Why did you vote CrimsonFox instead of Path in this spot?

[CrimsonFox]

Obviously vengence.

[CrimsonFox]

Unvote autumn
Vote DaddyTorgo


Um....WOW!
This points to autumn = wolf

[KWhit]

Um....WOW!
This points to autumn = wolf

Why?

[CrimsonFox]

Because Lathum voted for autumn and then died by werewolf the first night. Even tho he changed his vote, wolves get scared when they get called out even randomly and want to reduce the chance that the person will call them out again later.

[EagleFan]

vote Autumn

Testing a theory. Also a placeholder as I am leaning towards KWhit to see what shakes out from the DT voters (of which I am one, though I know I am not a wolf).

[RealDeal]

Today, the best I have to go with is the list of people who voted for DT, since that was a hugely important vote for the wolves.

I am choosing Eaglefan, because long posts full of information like his voting analysis always make me suspicious. Also, since EE already has a vote, this starts making voting a bit more meaningful.

Subject to change, because I don't have a strong feeling.

vote Eaglefan

[Abe Sargent]

unvote ntndeacon
Vote dubb


ntndeacon has now voted, dubb has not. Have I missed something where he said he would be gone or something? If so I'll move my vote but I don;t recall any.

[Autumn]

Um....WOW!
This points to autumn = wolf

I can see your argument, but I don't think it quite qualifies for a "wow". That might be one reason Lathum could have died (but isn't). I doubt it was for any reason other than Lathum is an extremely competent villager.