WW 100: Game over!

[Lathum]

Hoops is alive still, he must be a wolf.

[Autumn]

Wow, well that's about the worst results we could have gotten.

I wish I had stuck on Saldana now, we might have at least got a lynch.

Frankly, KWhit getting iced is fishy sounding to me.

There's going to have to be a lot of digging tomorrow, a lot of digging.

[Autumn]

This means the voting record doesn't tell us much. If Render is a wolf they'd have no reason to try to save him. So at least from the point he became a main candidate the record is moot.

At this point since the seer can't help us out I'm likely to revisit past votes. If we know whether Hoops, PB or KWhit is good or bad we can get something out of the votes.

[saldana]

either the wolves are unbelievably lucky or people are being too blatant at their hints (which if they are, i am managing to miss them all)

vote for me all you want, I will not be lynched today either.

[The Jackal]

well that sucks a whole bunch, i didn't have a seer read on ef

[Danny]

A bolt of lightning has struck one of you!

AlanT has been killed

[CrimsonFox]

A bolt of lightning has struck one of you!

AlanT has been killed


ummmmmm....

who?

[henry296]

ummmmmm....

who?

Yeah, really. I don't think Alan is playing in this game.

Given the odd icing of Kwhit, it make might sense to resolve the PB/Kwhit vote to learn from Day 2.

[saldana]

A bolt of lightning has struck one of you!

AlanT has been killed

ummmmmm....

who?

ahhhh...i get it...lol...very nice danny...yet another game where alan doesnt make it to day 4!

[hoopsguy]

Were AlanT reading along, I expect he would laugh at that.

[hoopsguy]

Hoops is alive still, he must be a wolf.

Congrats on being the first to post this.

[PurdueBrad]

Danny- Not that we would know the person's allegiance, but if the ghost whisperer talks to EF, can EF tell him who he scanned?

[KWhit]

No point in waiting to come out with this.

I am the Vengeful God. I am also a villager.

I had originally wanted to wait until I got some 1st time votes on me before revealing this, just to make it a little more difficult for me to be lynched.

Which happened on day 2. I got some votes, but all of a sudden I was in the running to be lynched. I didn't reveal then, because I thought it might actually end up saving me. If someone had unvoted me and then come back and re-voted me they would have been struck dead, thereby taking their vote away, giving me a better chance of living. And since I knew I was a villager, I considered it a net benefit if I stayed alive.

I had planned on revealing yesterday, but I was put on ice last night right after deadline. I am not really sure why they chose me to ice. Unless they thought I was the seer maybe? But then why wouldn't they just NK me? Dunno.

Anyway... That's who I am.

[Autumn]

Well, thanks for telling us, KWhit. I would have been pretty miffed if I'd died voting for you ;-)

If the Ghost Whisperer can do that that seems like the perfect use of their role - though I assume EF didn't have much to tell us. He obviously didn't catch a wolf.

[RendeR]

*pulls out a gun and shoots Render*

There!

I'm not THAT easy to kill ;)

Hoops is alive still, he must be a wolf.

Seriously.

Congrats on being the first to post this.

Does quoting this make me the 2nd?



I apologize to everyone for not being around, I passed out on the couch after Telle got home and frankly slept till midnight or so. I'm feeling somewhat better today and should be around more later in the day.

I'm trying to figure out from reading all this why the two candidates from Day 2 got NOTHING on day 3? I mean there was a tie, WTF is the reasoning behind NOT voting for at least one of them enough to do something on day 3?

Then suddenly everyone votes for me because I'm quiet? You want to find a wolf now? look at the people that got the ball rolling on someone not involved at all in the previous days voting that ended in a tie.

Very nifty bit of shell game tactics there..."Lets vote for this guy cause he's not around instead of the two people we apparently ALL wanted to lynch teh day before."

Think about it.

[saldana]

well i will get it started then...back to day 2.

vote purduebrad

[Autumn]

I'm trying to figure out from reading all this why the two candidates from Day 2 got NOTHING on day 3? I mean there was a tie, WTF is the reasoning behind NOT voting for at least one of them enough to do something on day 3?

It's a good question. Now who volunteers to vote for KWhit? ;-) Not I.

[J23]

I'm trying to figure out from reading all this why the two candidates from Day 2 got NOTHING on day 3? I mean there was a tie, WTF is the reasoning behind NOT voting for at least one of them enough to do something on day 3?

I think people moved off the day2 candidates mostly because they feared the Vengeful. Now, with KWhit's reveal, that's one of the candidates that a good number of people can't go back and vote for, which is bad news if he's a wolf.

He did make the statement that he is a villager, so if we have the soothsayer on our team, that could be a good line to check against and be sure of maybe?

[PurdueBrad]

Using this, I'm hoping that we've had a scan on Path or Lathum, because if one is bad, so is the other. Not catching that could be a big problem

Lathum, you've put out two fairly important late votes in the first two nights (which is not out of character for you necessarily) but I'm curious why DT over Hoops N1 and why me over KWhit N2? Even speaking hypothetically, if I'm good, then you are 0-2 on pretty tight votes, and I mean that more than a bad voting record (because lots of us are probably 0-2) but the importance of your votes is key as well.

After last night's vote, I still favor the idea that there was no save move, which likely points to KWhit's innocence as well as mine. Something that is making vote analysis rough though is the number of outlier votes we continue to have, rather than two or three condensed candidates. Here is where we might have another wolf or two hiding out, because why get into the middle of the battle if you can avoid it.

HELL, my short list of votes will be RealDeal, Hoops, or somebody that has cast a couple of truly insignificant votes.

Nobody told me we were required to wear underwear, so technically my panties are just in a bunch on the bedroom floor.

Actually, I like Autumn's analysis. It in no way clears me, but looking at my play, I feel very comfortable that most will see it for what it was. If Hoops wants to continue to push for yesterday's candidates so be it, lynchings smile at us all, sometimes all we can do is smile back. :)

I don't think I've been all that subtle, actually. I think you are a wolf, but I would be running a risk voting for anyone a second time. I'm not sure enough that I'm going to make that bet just yet. But I'm hoping that you are scanned sooner rather than later.

This "Vengeful God" thing, and the less discussed "Gladiator" are really cramping my game a little bit in terms of putting pressure on people in the thread. I know that me blowing up or getting dueled = -1 villager, and I don't know that I'm getting a 1:1 trade in the process. Which is frustrating, as I would absolutely take 1:1 if given the chance. But I haven't really worked out what % of certainty (70%, maybe?) that I would consider it worth the risk.

So Hoops, with KWhit as the Vengeful God and me as the Gladiator, then the night 2 lynch really was a fun time for you! Lynching KWhit could be very hard at this point given how many people voted for him.

I have a two man list of who I will challenge if lynched.

So Hoops, knowing who KWhit is and who I am, feel free to pressure everyone else (including KWhit).

[Lathum]

A bolt of lightning has struck one of you!

AlanT has been killed

LOL

[KWhit]

I think people moved off the day2 candidates mostly because they feared the Vengeful. Now, with KWhit's reveal, that's one of the candidates that a good number of people can't go back and vote for, which is bad news if he's a wolf.

He did make the statement that he is a villager, so if we have the soothsayer on our team, that could be a good line to check against and be sure of maybe?

I'd be fine with that, since I am a villager.

In addition, to answer the question of why people weren't going back to voting for the Day 2 candidates is that basically, there was nothing very suspicious about us even then - and since then people have additional data on which to base their vote.

Some of that data includes the fact that there was no late attempts to save either me or PB. A minor tick in our favor, I'd say (not a big one, since wolves wouldn't want to be too obvious if they tried to save one of their own, but a small tick in our favor).

[PurdueBrad]

It's a good question. Now who volunteers to vote for KWhit? ;-) Not I.

Any wolves willing to step up and take one for the teams?

[Lathum]

If we really wanted to lynch kwhit we could still

[KWhit]

If we really wanted to lynch kwhit we could still

Sure. But why would you want to?

There's no evidence at all against me and the seer even said that I leaned toward good. I don't know if he scanned me or not, but it's more of an indication of innocence than almost anyone else has.

[KWhit]

All I'm saying is that there are better choices out there than me.

[KWhit]

Something else I noticed while going back through some voting history stuff.

Eaglefan voted for me on Day 2.

Then on Day 3, he said I'm leaning toward good.

He must have scanned me on Night 2. I can't understand why he'd do a turnaround like that otherwise.

Did we ever get an answer of if the Ghost Whisperer can talk to EF to see who he scanned and their result?

[Lathum]

Sure. But why would you want to?

There's no evidence at all against me and the seer even said that I leaned toward good. I don't know if he scanned me or not, but it's more of an indication of innocence than almost anyone else has.

I have no intention to vote you but that is the kind of flawed logic that gets us in trouble. Now your point about him voting you day 2 then leaning towards good day 3 is a good one

[KWhit]

Fair enough.

[Lathum]

I may go back to CF. Something just doesn't sit right with me.

[saldana]

wow PB...that is possibly the single most awesome post in the history of WW as far as role reveals go

unfortunately, and this applies equally to Kwhit and even myself for that matter...both of your roles are listed as Good/Bad/Neutral, so even though there has been nothing to contradict either of your reveals, the fact that you are the gladiator and Kwhit is the vengeful god does absolutely nothing to change the fact that you may be a wolf.

that said, my vote for you this morning was more of a feeler than anything, and now that Kwhit has alleviated my earlier trepidations, i will cast the vote I actually want to cast

unvote purduebrad
vote crimson fox

[saldana]

dola, lol, it appears that lathum has the same unsettled feeling against our newest adversary.

[hoopsguy]

So Hoops, knowing who KWhit is and who I am, feel free to pressure everyone else (including KWhit).

Yep, assuming that the reveal is not challenged I'm definitely feeling a little more liberated in terms of voting going forward.

However, I've really got to check some assumptions in light of the EF thing. I don't think it is possible for him to have scanned all the people on his list that would like to think that they were scanned. Honestly, I think he was more likely to have scanned you than KWhit.

[KWhit]

Yep, assuming that the reveal is not challenged I'm definitely feeling a little more liberated in terms of voting going forward.

However, I've really got to check some assumptions in light of the EF thing. I don't think it is possible for him to have scanned all the people on his list that would like to think that they were scanned. Honestly, I think he was more likely to have scanned you than KWhit.

To go from being his voting choice for lynch to on his leans toward good list in the span of just one night (without me revealing anything) is a fairly large change of opinion, wouldn't you agree.

I also think it is very likely that he would scan me since he suspected me enough to vote for me. He may have also scanned PB, though. His posts about PB seem to suggest he did.

I almost think that he didn't scan Lathum or path since it really does seem illogical for a wolf to reveal that he rezzed Lathum. EF may have just assumed that that situation was a pretty open and shut case and didn't want to "waste" one of his scans on what was a pretty low percentage play.

[Autumn]

It's a bit convenient that both PB and KWhit have roles that would make it unwise to lynch them. With no counterreveals (we'll see) we'll have to assume that it's true, but it's one of those things that may you say hmm. I still have not lost track of the possibility that they are both wolves, in which case of course they'd want to make voting either of them a poor choice. So I'm going to wait until everybody's had a chance to check in here.

Even with no counter reveals, I dislike having two of the people it would be most useful to lynch be semi-unlynchable. Also in the realm of paranoid possibilities, if they're both bad they would have been smart to swap role reveals to screw us up even more.

[Autumn]

Saldana, I don't understand your voting. What made you feel better about PB, and why didn't you vote CF to begin with?

[PurdueBrad]

It's a bit convenient that both PB and KWhit have roles that would make it unwise to lynch them. With no counterreveals (we'll see) we'll have to assume that it's true, but it's one of those things that may you say hmm. I still have not lost track of the possibility that they are both wolves, in which case of course they'd want to make voting either of them a poor choice. So I'm going to wait until everybody's had a chance to check in here.

Even with no counter reveals, I dislike having two of the people it would be most useful to lynch be semi-unlynchable. Also in the realm of paranoid possibilities, if they're both bad they would have been smart to swap role reveals to screw us up even more.

I actually disagree, my role might make it convenient to lynch me as I am like a duke with a coin toss. In that sense, you guys would have to trust who I would pick.

[PurdueBrad]

Honestly, I think he was more likely to have scanned you than KWhit.

I agree with this because of several of his questions and then our history.

[Danny]

Danny- Not that we would know the person's allegiance, but if the ghost whisperer talks to EF, can EF tell him who he scanned?

This would be allowed.

[path12]

saldana's semi-reveals have confused me. I thought it interesting that yesterday he was fine with us assuming Survivor. Now the only other role that would make sense was Governor. I had been wondering if the Governor could pardon himself, and have confirmation from Danny that this is so.

Regardless, I believe he's been more evasive than he needs to be on this which doesn't seem to be a real pro-village stance so for that reason

VOTE SALDANA

[Lathum]

My sense is saldana didn't let us believe anything. My guess is he made his post then played WoW and never checked back.

[The Jackal]

hmm, interesting development, i shall order lunch and ponder these reveals/wait to see if there are counters

[saldana]

Saldana, I don't understand your voting. What made you feel better about PB, and why didn't you vote CF to begin with?

i wanted to see if PB started scrambling, becoming overly defensive, etc, as wolves are known to do

i didnt vote CF to begin with because I wanted to see the results of my PB vote, and was also waiting to make sure that there was no counter to the Vengeful God claim, since I had already voted for CF once.

[Lathum]

vote CF

[Poli]

Did someone die and get to come back to life? When did Lazarus join the game?

[saldana]

My sense is saldana didn't let us believe anything. My guess is he made his post then played WoW and never checked back.

QFT

Path, no one ever asked me directly...there was speculation, but given that I could be killed at night, I saw no reason to advertise that I am, in fact, the Govenor, which means, as I have said before, I will not be getting lynched tonight.

of course I cannot prove it without actually winning (losing) the vote, but i would refer you back to my Day 1 posts about the Crazy Granny, and even on Day 2, when I was asking who could reveal that could be verified by the Gov....almost as if I knew that the pardon would occur as I was predicting.

[Autumn]

I actually disagree, my role might make it convenient to lynch me as I am like a duke with a coin toss. In that sense, you guys would have to trust who I would pick.

If you're a villager, definitely.

[Autumn]

QFT

Path, no one ever asked me directly...there was speculation, but given that I could be killed at night, I saw no reason to advertise that I am, in fact, the Govenor, which means, as I have said before, I will not be getting lynched tonight.

of course I cannot prove it without actually winning (losing) the vote, but i would refer you back to my Day 1 posts about the Crazy Granny, and even on Day 2, when I was asking who could reveal that could be verified by the Gov....almost as if I knew that the pardon would occur as I was predicting.

Well, you can prove it by using your power, it doesn't have to be you getting lynched.

[saldana]

Well, you can prove it by using your power, it doesn't have to be you getting lynched.

i thought about that, except this isnt the regular duke role...i dont get to move the lynch to someone else, i just get to stop the lynch...we are already running around blind after 2 straight days of no lynches, so I dont really think that it benefits the village to have a 3rd.

[path12]

of course I cannot prove it without actually winning (losing) the vote, but i would refer you back to my Day 1 posts about the Crazy Granny, and even on Day 2, when I was asking who could reveal that could be verified by the Gov....almost as if I knew that the pardon would occur as I was predicting.

OK, I went back and saw those posts.

UNVOTE SALDANA

[path12]

BTW, that was a fabulous reveal post from Brad. I tried something like that once to show I was the seer.

And was lynched day 1.

[Lathum]

I am going back to CF based on his early play and the fact I wasn't crazy about his vote late pile on vote for Render last night, it came off very much as trying to be a helpful wolf by preventing a tie.

[PurdueBrad]

BTW, that was a fabulous reveal post from Brad. I tried something like that once to show I was the seer.

And was lynched day 1.

Thanks to you and Saldana but honestly, it wasn't a big risk simply because my role is neutral. If I would've risked it or done it with a 'good' role, then it would be fabulous. I just knew that whenever I felt the need to reveal, there would be those that would question it no matter what.

[hoopsguy]

Guys, sorry for not getting to post more. Meetings all day and have two people shadowing me at my client site. Hate having this happen on what I think would be a very interesting day of post/vote analysis.

[Darth Vilus]

well yesterday really really sucked. day 4 and we're already down the bg and the seer, soo not good.

[PurdueBrad]

Guys, sorry for not getting to post more. Meetings all day and have two people shadowing me at my client site. Hate having this happen on what I think would be a very interesting day of post/vote analysis.

I know that I, for one, missed having you around trying to lynch me. :p

[hoopsguy]

I know that I, for one, missed having you around trying to lynch me. :p

I'm pretty sure that I would not be doing that today.

[RealDeal]

vote Kwhit

unvote Kwhit

vote Kwhit

What the hell?

[PurdueBrad]

I'm pretty sure that I would not be doing that today.

I had to torture you once. Are you not entertained?

I said, are you not entertained?

[KWhit]

vote Kwhit

unvote Kwhit

vote Kwhit

What the hell?

Why in the world would you do that?

[RealDeal]

Why in the world would you do that?

Better to burn out than fade away.

[KWhit]

I am going back to CF based on his early play and the fact I wasn't crazy about his vote late pile on vote for Render last night, it came off very much as trying to be a helpful wolf by preventing a tie.

What do you mean by this part? That you think Render is a wolf too and CF was trying to gain favor by piling on to supposedly prevent a tie?

[KWhit]

Better to burn out than fade away.

But what does that gain the village? Or do you just want out of the game?

[RealDeal]

I don't have a useful role, and this will give us some info. Too many people who people are scared to vote for right now.

[Danny]

Real Deal has been killed by Kwhit, he was the love em or hate em guy and a villager.

[Lathum]

What do you mean by this part? That you think Render is a wolf too and CF was trying to gain favor by piling on to supposedly prevent a tie?

I don't know about Render, but CF changed his vote when everything was pretty much sown up with Render and said he was doing it to prevent a tie. Just seemed like he acting like he was trying to be helpfull when really it didn't matter.

[RealDeal]

Until next time, comrades.

:wave:

[Lathum]

I don't have a useful role, and this will give us some info. Too many people who people are scared to vote for right now.

Except we lose 2 villagers if KWhit is a villager to learn what? Thet KWhit was a villager?

There were other ways to find out about KWhit that would have kept you alive.

[CrimsonFox]

Was he a villager or a wolf? Makes me think that nothing he said was true.

[KWhit]

I don't have a useful role, and this will give us some info. Too many people who people are scared to vote for right now.

Grrrr....

I'm a little bummed that you did that, to be honest. You burnt my ability and killed yourself in the process. Assuming you are a villager, that's a double whammy against the village.

I already pointed out some darn good evidence (IMO, of course) as to why I am a villager as it is pretty likely that EF scanned me.

A power like mine could have been VERY useful for the village as we get closer to endgame assuming a wolf or maybe 2 voted for me the other day.

[KWhit]

yeah, danny... What was RD's allegiance?

[Danny]

Look up and its also in the 2nd post in the thread.

[CrimsonFox]

I don't know about Render, but CF changed his vote when everything was pretty much sown up with Render and said he was doing it to prevent a tie. Just seemed like he acting like he was trying to be helpfull when really it didn't matter.

Didn't change my vote at the end. I unvoted when Auatumn revealed as vampire, then I sat around thinking as I had no idea at that point who to vote for. I followed the people who said they suspected Render because I didn't want to waste my vote. Ask the render voters why they voted for him. My interretation was that he was acting un-Render and was quiet, etc.

Day 1 I was thinking a tie was a win for the villagers so we didn't vote off an innocent. But Day 2 I was of the opinion that we need to learn something from the lynch that a tie won't tell us. My vote did not affect things at all really but a tie would have been disastrous.

[Lathum]

Was he a villager or a wolf? Makes me think that nothing he said was true.

who?

Realdeal?

Why on earth would he do that as a wolf? Doing it as a villager is crazy enough

[KWhit]

A power like mine could have been VERY useful for the village as we get closer to endgame assuming a wolf or maybe 2 voted for me the other day.

Although now that I think about it, as time went on they'd be sure to NK me if they couldn't vote me off. But still, I totally don't understand the play. I'm not sure what kind of info he thought he would be getting.

[KWhit]

Look up and its also in the 2nd post in the thread.

Ah. I just saw the description on post 2 of the thread and it didn't specifically say villager.

[KWhit]

So...

We learn that I am in fact the Vengeful God (or was) and that RD was a villager.

Yay, I guess.

[CrimsonFox]

Ah. I just saw the description on post 2 of the thread and it didn't specifically say villager.

No it doesn't say villager. Or wolf. L/H can be a wolf. So Danny, was Realdeal a villager or a wolf? Or are you purposely not telling us because we're not allowed to know?

[Lathum]

We really learn nothing. All we gain is we can now lynch you in a runaway as opposed to just lynching you using all people who haven't voted you yet.

Makes no sense, but I guess we must move on.

[KWhit]

Real Deal has been killed by Kwhit, he was the love em or hate em guy and a villager.

It says so in this post.

[Lathum]

No it doesn't say villager. Or wolf. L/H can be a wolf. So Danny, was Realdeal a villager or a wolf? Or are you purposely not telling us because we're not allowed to know?

I think anyone who isn't a wolf will just be put up there with their role. If we nab a wolf we will be told. It was established that we don't do games here where allegiance is kept hidden.

[KWhit]

We really learn nothing. All we gain is we can now lynch you in a runaway as opposed to just lynching you using all people who haven't voted you yet.

Makes no sense, but I guess we must move on.

Yeah, I know. I was being somewhat sarcastic. But we DID learn that RD was a villager, for what it's worth.

[Darth Vilus]

ummm, ok. someone check to see if realdeal has eaten anything funny recently

[KWhit]

Actually...

On day 3, RealDeal received 3 votes:

7 Render – (Path 610, Saldana 628, EagleFan 665, Hoopsguy 670, Henry 672, Real Deal 676, CrimsonFox 690)
2 Saldana – (Dubb 650, )*
3 RealDeal – (Darth Vilus 512, Jackal 661, PurdueBrad 687)
2 PurdueBrad – (Autumn 674, Lathum 681)
1 Henry – (ntndeacon 648)
1 Autumn – (Schmidty 511)


Now that we know he's a villager, it might be a decent starting place to consider that one of those three is a wolf. I'm going to take a look at the other days to see if we can see a pattern from one of those 3 guys.

[Danny]

In the second post, anyone in green is a villager, wolves will show as red, but you guys wouldn't know that yet :P

[CrimsonFox]

Thanks for the clarification Danny.

Ugh when people play the "total chaos" game it really screws things.

[KWhit]

Actually...

On day 3, RealDeal received 3 votes:

Now that we know he's a villager, it might be a decent starting place to consider that one of those three is a wolf. I'm going to take a look at the other days to see if we can see a pattern from one of those 3 guys.

Nothing too strange jumps out to me from these 3 guys. I was hoping at least one of them had a vote on a confirmed villager, but it doesn't look like it.

The Jackal's voting history doesn't look too good though. He had kind of a throw-away vote on day 1 (the only vote on PurdueBrad, bringing in the 6th candidate fairly late in the day).

Day 2 he missed his vote.

And Day 3 he voted for the now confirmed villager RD.

That's probably the worst voting record of anybody we have right now.

[KWhit]

In the second post, anyone in green is a villager, wolves will show as red, but you guys wouldn't know that yet :P

Rub it in, why don't you?

[Darth Vilus]

alright, the people i feel worst about are PB, Fox, and Hoops. Nothing really concrete on them, it's just mainly a feeling I have. Though those tend to be pretty close to be honest.

PB and Fox are just mainly a feeling i have, Fox more though

Hoops is mainly the fact that he is still alive this late, and the fact that he hasn't offered up anything I would consider close to nabbing a wolf. So not hoops-play.

Vote Hoops

[KWhit]

Nothing too strange jumps out to me from these 3 guys. I was hoping at least one of them had a vote on a confirmed villager, but it doesn't look like it.

The Jackal's voting history doesn't look too good though. He had kind of a throw-away vote on day 1 (the only vote on PurdueBrad, bringing in the 6th candidate fairly late in the day).

Day 2 he missed his vote.

And Day 3 he voted for the now confirmed villager RD.

That's probably the worst voting record of anybody we have right now.

The more I look at this, the more I'm not liking The Jackal's Day One vote. At 6:30 at night he adds a 6th candidate to the mix? Could be a wolf not willing to stick his neck out.

(80) – DaddyTorgo votes Kwhit (Kwhit 1)
(81) – DaddyTorgo unvotes Kwhit
(113) – Lathum votes Autumn (Autumn 1)
(128) – path12 votes Darth Vilus (Autumn 1, Darth Vilus 1)
(132) – CrimsonFox votes Darth Vilus (Darth Vilus 2, Autumn 1)
(133) – hoopsguy votes path12 (Darth Vilus 2, Autumn 1, path12 1)
(140) – Darth Vilus votes CrimsonFox (Darth Vilus 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1)
(147) – Abe Sargent votes hoopsguy (Darth Vilus 2, Autumn 1, path 12 1, CrimsonFox 1, hoopsguy 1)
(149) – The Jackal votes PurdueBrad (Darth Vilus 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, hoopsguy 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(150) – RealDeal votes hoopsguy (Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(151) – Autumn votes DaddyTorgo (Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1, DaddyTorgo 1)
(156) – saldana votes dubb93 (Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1, DaddyTorgo 1, dubb93 1)
(158) – Schmidty votes dubb93 (Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, dubb93 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1, DaddyTorgo 1)
(159) – henry296 votes DaddyTorgo (Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, dubb93 2, DaddyTorgo 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(162) – EagleFan votes DaddyTorgo (DaddyTorgo 3, Darth Vilus 2, hoopsguy 2, dubb93 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(163) – RendeR votes hoopsguy (DaddyTorgo 3, hoopsguy 3, Darth Vilus 2, dubb93 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(168) – Kwhit voted DaddyTorgo (DaddyTorgo 4, hoopsguy 3, Darth Vilus 2, dubb93 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(169) – PurdueBrad votes hoopsguy (DaddyTorgo 4, hoopsguy 4, Darth Vilus 2, dubb93 2, Autumn 1, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)
(173) – Lathum unvotes Autumn, votes DaddyTorgo (DaddyTorgo 5, hoopsguy 4, Darth Vilus 2, dubb93 2, path12 1, CrimsonFox 1, PurdueBrad 1)

It's not much, but it's more than I have on anyone else at the moment.

VOTE THE JACKAL

[PurdueBrad]

So where are we at, 1 on Hoops, 1 on CF, and 1 on Jackal?

Hmmm...

Real Deal, I had considered doing the same thing you did so I thank you. If KWhit would ever turn out to be a wolf, that power would've been almost unbeatable. And I agree with what KWhit said, he likely would've been a NK because of that.

[Poli]

In the second post, anyone in green is a villager, wolves will show as red, but you guys wouldn't know that yet :P
Why wouldn't they? Oh... :)

[CrimsonFox]

Actually since wolf Saldana did his daily voting two-step, I think I have 2 on me now.

Bluffing Governor or not, I think Saldana is a wolf.

[CrimsonFox]

So where are we at, 1 on Hoops, 1 on CF, and 1 on Jackal?

Hmmm...

Real Deal, I had considered doing the same thing you did so I thank you. If KWhit would ever turn out to be a wolf, that power would've been almost unbeatable. And I agree with what KWhit said, he likely would've been a NK because of that.

I was actually thinking Realdeal did it as a wolf to sacrifice himself for the other wolves and throw everyone off the track. But it seems just a random act of chaos. :P

[KWhit]

Actually since wolf Saldana did his daily voting two-step, I think I have 2 on me now.

Bluffing Governor or not, I think Saldana is a wolf.

I doubt he's lying about being the Governor. But he could still be a wolf.

[CrimsonFox]

vote Saldana

[Autumn]

What would have been smart is to have the Survivor double vote the Vengeful God. That would have been smart of us. ;-)

Well, at least we can feel free to vote for KWhit. OUt of the two I'm more likely to vote PB just based on the voting analysis i did before. A lot of people would have to be bad for KWhit to be bad, I think, less so PB.

[The Jackal]

Unfortunately I will be leaving in an hour and out past the deadline, so if you are going to lynch me based on my crappy internet and availability, so be it. I didn't know what the vote count was when i voted for PB day 1, you know what happened day 2 with my cable company, and day 3 i went for RD because I felt there was a solid chance he was revealing a villager role as a wolf, but it's true he wasn't under any pressure to reveal.

Anyways, gonna shower then get a vote out.

[Autumn]

Earlier in the game people were saying that the vengeful god must be a wolf since a villager would have revealed earlier and avoid bedlam. KWhit claims he did not because he wanted to keep himself from getting lynched. What do we now think of this claim? Despite some things in his favor, doesn't not revealing a role like that count as a big dark strike?

There are too many suspects to count. I think I may concentrate on KWhit, PB and CF as I think they give us the most information in a lynch.

[The Jackal]

I agree, people were harping on that fact earlier and it hasn't really been mentioned since KWhit revealed, has it?

[CrimsonFox]

If I am killed today or tonight, Ghostwhisperer please talk to me.

[The Jackal]

With lack of time crunching down on me, I'm going to make a gut move and say that KWhit is an evil version of the role. Gotta be bad guys here somewhere. It doesn't hurt that he is voting for me, though I can't argue with his bad voting history argument. Certainly not enough time for this game what with what happened the other day and the fact that my new computer didn't even ship until when I thought it would be delivered, so I don't have the access/manueverabilty I'd like.

VOTE KWHIT

[Lathum]

If I am killed today or tonight, Ghostwhisperer please talk to me.

If you have inside info I suggest you just come out with it. There is no guarantee the ghost whisperer is a villager. Plus comments like that will pit a huge bullseye on you, especially with no bg. At this point withholding info will buy you no friends. We need a good lynch, if you are in a position to help with that by all means do.

[hoopsguy]

If you have inside info I suggest you just come out with it. There is no guarantee the ghost whisperer is a villager. Plus comments like that will pit a huge bullseye on you, especially with no bg. At this point withholding info will buy you no friends. We need a good lynch, if you are in a position to help with that by all means do.

100% agree with this. The little bit of time I've had today has been spent thinking about this role and what kind of information they would have access to right now.

Lathum, did the Ghost Whisperer contact you when you were dead? If so, what were your takeaways from that exchange?

[Lathum]

No. There has been no contact.

[Autumn]

I've had a change of plans. One of the few data points we have is the votes for me before I revealed as the Vampire. I would have liked to have waited longer on that, and maybe I should have to get some more info. But I didn't want to waste a day of voting. However, what we do have is that Dubb, Schmidty and CrimsonFox were the ones that voted for me before I revealed. Maybe it means nothing or maybe it was wolves using a convenient excuse to get a vote started on a villager.

The other thing I'm thinking about is the icing of KWhit. What was the purpose of it? Was it villager or wolf inspired and what does it mean/what were we supposed to think it meant.

So, I'm going to vote from that list of three. CF I'm still guessing is playing a new guy's game, but I'm not convinced of that. Still, I can explain away his vote for me as being overzealous. Dubb I'm not convinced of, was that all real bombastic blowup at me or feigned? I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for the moment. However Schmidty had a vote that made me wonder day one also, seemed to be in the "cast the second vote quickly on a new candidate" position twice. I'm willing to gamble on him out of the three, especially knowing CF is already getting votes.

<b>VOTE SCHMIDTY</b>

[hoopsguy]

Voting is a total mess right now. As of Post #855:

(766) - Saldana votes PB (PB 1)
(780) - Saldana unvotes PB, votes CF (CF 1)
(789) - Path votes Saldana (CF 1, Saldana 1)
(793) - Lathum votes CF (CF 2, Saldana 1)
(799) - Path unvotes Saldana (CF 2)
(807) - Real Deal vote/unvote/vote KWhit
(814) - Real Deal killed by KWhit
(838) - DV votes Hoops (CF 2, Hoops 1)
(839) - KWhit votes The Jackal (CF 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1)
(845) - CF votes Saldana (CF 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, Saldana 1)
(851) - The Jackal votes KWhit (CF 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, Saldana 1, KWhit 1)
(855) - Autumn votes Schmidty (CF 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, Saldana 1, KWhit 1, Schmidty 1)

[saldana]

being the duke that cant actually duke is extremely frustrating.

[hoopsguy]

On top of that, before running vote totals here my inclination was to put a vote on Darth for a really garbage D4 vote of "Hoops has not caught a wolf yet". Dude, we have zero wolves period in three days, and last I checked there were a bunch of us trying to help make that happen.

But we need to consolidate this list a bit or it is going to be a cluster at the deadline, especially if we are working against a fairly large wolf team.

I'm not going to vote for me and I don't think I'm going to vote for CF. Outside of that, I can talk myself into any of the other four candidates.

KWhit, are you going to be around as we approach deadline? I'm expecting to have a few minutes from 8 - 8:30 PM (EST) to participate in the thread and I would love to talk with you a bit about how you played the Vengeful role.

[path12]

On top of that, before running vote totals here my inclination was to put a vote on Darth for a really garbage D4 vote of "Hoops has not caught a wolf yet". Dude, we have zero wolves period in three days, and last I checked there were a bunch of us trying to help make that happen.

I had that same inclination after seeing that post.

[KWhit]

On top of that, before running vote totals here my inclination was to put a vote on Darth for a really garbage D4 vote of "Hoops has not caught a wolf yet". Dude, we have zero wolves period in three days, and last I checked there were a bunch of us trying to help make that happen.

But we need to consolidate this list a bit or it is going to be a cluster at the deadline, especially if we are working against a fairly large wolf team.

I'm not going to vote for me and I don't think I'm going to vote for CF. Outside of that, I can talk myself into any of the other four candidates.

KWhit, are you going to be around as we approach deadline? I'm expecting to have a few minutes from 8 - 8:30 PM (EST) to participate in the thread and I would love to talk with you a bit about how you played the Vengeful role.

I'll be on and off between now and deadline.

[CrimsonFox]

I think this is screwed. The wolves having powers really makes this game 10 times as hard. We are no closer as everyone has differnet theories and whatnot. Not sure if I should come forward with my info. Am fairly confused at this point.

[RendeR]

I've got to get a vote in now as bedtime for the young ones approaches and I'll be AFK until deadline most likely.

The friend of my enemy is still my enemy...

VOTE SALDANA

He's Lathum's best friend, which gives me reason enough to question ;) It also gives us 2 people with 2 votes while we have very little to go on, lets see if this can get something moving one way or another.

[J23]

vote Schmidty

I'm fine backing the only known good guy out there, and want to get a vote out before I forget or fall asleep :p

[Lathum]

I had that same inclination after seeing that post.

I did also

[Schmidty]

I'll reveal if you want me to.

Regardless, I'm going with you again today.

I've had a change of plans. One of the few data points we have is the votes for me before I revealed as the Vampire. I would have liked to have waited longer on that, and maybe I should have to get some more info. But I didn't want to waste a day of voting. However, what we do have is that Dubb, Schmidty and CrimsonFox were the ones that voted for me before I revealed. Maybe it means nothing or maybe it was wolves using a convenient excuse to get a vote started on a villager.

The other thing I'm thinking about is the icing of KWhit. What was the purpose of it? Was it villager or wolf inspired and what does it mean/what were we supposed to think it meant.

So, I'm going to vote from that list of three. CF I'm still guessing is playing a new guy's game, but I'm not convinced of that. Still, I can explain away his vote for me as being overzealous. Dubb I'm not convinced of, was that all real bombastic blowup at me or feigned? I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for the moment. However Schmidty had a vote that made me wonder day one also, seemed to be in the "cast the second vote quickly on a new candidate" position twice. I'm willing to gamble on him out of the three, especially knowing CF is already getting votes.

<b>VOTE SCHMIDTY</b>

[Lathum]

I think this is screwed. The wolves having powers really makes this game 10 times as hard. We are no closer as everyone has differnet theories and whatnot. Not sure if I should come forward with my info. Am fairly confused at this point.

This just read to me like a wolf setting up a fake reveal.

[KWhit]

Earlier in the game people were saying that the vengeful god must be a wolf since a villager would have revealed earlier and avoid bedlam. KWhit claims he did not because he wanted to keep himself from getting lynched. What do we now think of this claim? Despite some things in his favor, doesn't not revealing a role like that count as a big dark strike?

There are too many suspects to count. I think I may concentrate on KWhit, PB and CF as I think they give us the most information in a lynch.

My thinking of the role was that it wasn't important to reveal anything unless I needed to (pretty much the same way I feel about any role in any game).

Initially, there was nothing to be gained from revealing since it wouldn't clear me - the role can be good or bad.

The only reason to reveal would be to save a villager from dying by voting for me 2x. So my thinking was that I didn't need to reveal anything until people had voted for me.

That happened on day 2. But for the longest time there was only one person who had voted for me - RendeR. So I decided to play things close to the vest, since I didn't have a good vibe about him anyway.

But then, all of a sudden, there was a late run on me that put me in the lead and I was basically done for. Why reveal at that point? Especially since NO ONE UNVOTED ME. There was no one who was in danger of being killed by my power at any time on day 2. So why reveal?

I was going to reveal on Day 3 if I happened to live through the lynch. But I was put on ice at 9:06pm on day/night 2. So I couldn't post in the thread or vote on Day 3. As soon as I could, I revealed.

So again. There was absolutely no reason for me to reveal my role any time on Day 2. I have no idea why people are assuming that is a suspicious act.

[CrimsonFox]

This just read to me like a wolf setting up a fake reveal.

screw you lathum. YOu suck. love, CF

[henry296]

Unfortunately we still have little information.

I think crimson should just reveal what he knows. Maybe this will put enough pressure on him to do that.

VOTE CrimsonFox

[ntndeacon]

I have been sitting here since I got home trying to figure out what way I was going to go. Early on I was not in favor of voting for CF as I thought some of what we were seeing was just an unfamiliarity with his style and he with our styles. Now I am not as convinced of that.

Vote Crimson Fox

[Lathum]

screw you lathum. YOu suck. love, CF

umm what?

Who are you to come into an established community as a total stranger, then in your first game when someone challenges you on a perfectly legit theory this is how you react?

You need a thicker skin to make it around here. You also need to grow up.

[PurdueBrad]

I've got to get a vote out there soon and I'm torn on where to go. Also kind of curious about how many no votes we'll have tonight.

[Autumn]

I've got to get a vote in now as bedtime for the young ones approaches and I'll be AFK until deadline most likely.

The friend of my enemy is still my enemy...

VOTE SALDANA

He's Lathum's best friend, which gives me reason enough to question ;) It also gives us 2 people with 2 votes while we have very little to go on, lets see if this can get something moving one way or another.

This actually makes me want to switch to Render. Has he posted a reason for a vote yet this game that wasn't personal meta-game stuff? I feel like all he's said is "oh it's hoops, oh it's lathum". I don't want to get too fancy at the end of the game but I'll definitely be looking at him tomorrow if not tonight.

[CrimsonFox]

umm what?

Who are you to come into an established community as a total stranger, then in your first game when someone challenges you on a perfectly legit theory this is how you react?

You need a thicker skin to make it around here. You also need to grow up.

LOL.

[hoopsguy]

Of the three tied for the lead, I trust Schmidty the least. Mainly because I have no context to judge him, as compared to CF (post earlier in thread about "two wolves" sounds like uninformed new villager) and Saldana (play at least consistent with role hints, even if it does not suggest faction).

That said, I'm going to go ahead and vote Darth Vilus. We've got 55 minutes to the lynch and no one has more than two. I think it is entirely possible that he is playing a rather disengaged wolf; it was consistent with his MO last time he was a wolf and I created heat on him.

I won't let the vote end up wasted if others don't follow - I'll switch to one of the leaders before the deadline. But for now I'm going to take the lack of a consensus as a reason to go after my most likely wolf right now.

VOTE DARTH VILUS

[Autumn]

My thinking of the role was that it wasn't important to reveal anything unless I needed to (pretty much the same way I feel about any role in any game).

Initially, there was nothing to be gained from revealing since it wouldn't clear me - the role can be good or bad.

The only reason to reveal would be to save a villager from dying by voting for me 2x. So my thinking was that I didn't need to reveal anything until people had voted for me.

That happened on day 2. But for the longest time there was only one person who had voted for me - RendeR. So I decided to play things close to the vest, since I didn't have a good vibe about him anyway.

But then, all of a sudden, there was a late run on me that put me in the lead and I was basically done for. Why reveal at that point? Especially since NO ONE UNVOTED ME. There was no one who was in danger of being killed by my power at any time on day 2. So why reveal?

I was going to reveal on Day 3 if I happened to live through the lynch. But I was put on ice at 9:06pm on day/night 2. So I couldn't post in the thread or vote on Day 3. As soon as I could, I revealed.

So again. There was absolutely no reason for me to reveal my role any time on Day 2. I have no idea why people are assuming that is a suspicious act.

Well, this is a pretty good explanation. So if you're wolfing us, good work.

Although I still think that was playing it pretty loose. someone could have easily unvoted and voted you at some point ... you really felt like you wre going to be able to reveal before they did that?

[hoopsguy]

And, of course, after I put my vote out I see that is it now 4-2-2 instead of 2-2-2.

[hoopsguy]

Well, this is a pretty good explanation. So if you're wolfing us, good work.

Yep, actually covered most/all of my questions. Won't be the play tonight.

[PurdueBrad]

I'm going to branch out and not vote Hoops again yet.

vote Saldana

[KWhit]

Well, this is a pretty good explanation. So if you're wolfing us, good work.

Although I still think that was playing it pretty loose. someone could have easily unvoted and voted you at some point ... you really felt like you wre going to be able to reveal before they did that?

2 things:

1) Yeah, I figured that I was going to be on most of the day so I had a good chance of revealing before it became an issue.

and

2) Early on it was just RendeR who was voting for me, whom I distrusted, so I didn't really care too much if he unvoted and re-voted for me. Then late in the day, I had a very quick run on me and I was suddenly in the lead. By then, I didn't want to reveal on the slim chance that my power might save my skin if someone unvoted me and then revoted. And I didn't think a reveal at that point would be likely to sway any votes away from me.

[Schmidty]

Of the three tied for the lead, I trust Schmidty the least.

It's ok. I have a role that doesn't matter much. You'd be killing a villager, but other than numbers, it wouldn't be a big deal.

If there's any question you want me to answer, let me know.

[ntndeacon]

And, of course, after I put my vote out I see that is it now 4-2-2 instead of 2-2-2.

yea I kinda laughed when I saw that while I was trying to figure out what to say henry beat me to the punch.

[CrimsonFox]

Okay, I was going to do it anyway. The info isn't absolutely damning but I was observing the reactions it made.

The Slutting of Realdeal that he announced was fake. I am the slut.
I thought he was lying and therefore a wolf. Which revealed other things to me. THen I reaalized that his slutting was by the schizophrenic who CAN be a slut. So look for someone interested in saving Realdeal as the schizophrenic.

Slut Calendar:
N1: I slutted Granny DT. This was wasted as he was lynched that day. I didn't know about the conditional thingees at the time. So in essence I was slutting up a dead granny. (ewww)

N2: Slutted up Saldana. He could not do anything. I suspected him the day before with his random attempts to implicate people with very weak logic etc.

N3: Slutted up henry. Suspected him from the beginning just on a hunch.
The following day was when Realdeal claimed he'd been slutted which threw me off. But it was the schizo that had to have done it unless he was lying.


The reactions today were:

well i will get it started then...back to day 2.

vote purduebrad

Back to someone not a wolf (PB). Or else in cahoots with a wolf gladiator.


Yeah, really. I don't think Alan is playing in this game.

Given the odd icing of Kwhit, it make might sense to resolve the PB/Kwhit vote to learn from Day 2.

Henry getting slutted now trying to throw things back to 2 people that aren't wolves (PB and Kwhit)

wow PB...that is possibly the single most awesome post in the history of WW as far as role reveals go

unfortunately, and this applies equally to Kwhit and even myself for that matter...both of your roles are listed as Good/Bad/Neutral, so even though there has been nothing to contradict either of your reveals, the fact that you are the gladiator and Kwhit is the vengeful god does absolutely nothing to change the fact that you may be a wolf.

that said, my vote for you this morning was more of a feeler than anything, and now that Kwhit has alleviated my earlier trepidations, i will cast the vote I actually want to cast

unvote purduebrad
vote crimson fox

His flipflopping and sudden turns towards me have been funky. Then again who knows.

At this point it doesn't matter if I reveal as since we don't have a wolf yet slutting is unlikely to help us down the road.

I am pretty sure reading between the lines that one of these two are wolves. I really think both of them are. Pretty certain Saldana is one which stinks that he has governator. But you have to get it away from him.

The info was more daming when I thought RD was lying and thus it would link him with Sald and Henry for sure as he would have been told by sald and henry that they'd been slutted and thus try to draw out the slut with a lie. But this wasn't the case. but I still think some of this is valid. And this is also why I've been waffling and weird today. I thought one thing, then found out another.

Sorry lathum but I'm getting a bit tired of all the "newbie" talk when I haven't seen THAT much brilliant gameplay coming from you and your accusations. Not taking this personally. After this is over it's all forgotten.
Anyway, add this to your info.

[Lathum]

LOL.

Whats funny about you coming off as an immature nit to a group of people you don't even know?

Question, where did you come from?

[Danny]

As of 883
4 CrimsonFox (Saldana 780, Lathum 793, Henry 869, ntn 870)
3 Saldana (CrimsonFox 845, Render 862, PurdueBrad 879)
2 Schmidty (Autumn 855, J23 863)
1 Kwhit (Jackal 851)
1 Hoops (Darth Vilus 838)
1 Jackal (Kwhit 839)
1 Darth (Hoops 875)

[Lathum]

Sorry lathum but I'm getting a bit tired of all the "newbie" talk when I haven't seen THAT much brilliant gameplay coming from you and your accusations. Not taking this personally. After this is over it's all forgotten.
Anyway, add this to your info.

Where did I call you a newbie? Where did I claim anything I ever said or did was brilliant?

[hoopsguy]

Lathum is not brilliant. There, I said it.

:)

[CrimsonFox]

Whats funny about you coming off as an immature nit to a group of people you don't even know?

Question, where did you come from?

Fool. Just found it recently and joined up. the version 9 version.

Safe people on my list: Autumn Lathum path
Feel good about: purduebrad hoops kwhit

wolves for sure (no i have no proof): saldana henry
skeptical: ntndeacon

unknown: j23 um the other people...

[hoopsguy]

Schmidty, we are starting to run out of roles and I'm not sure how much value there is in claiming them anyway when most of them are neutral. What it really does it make it a bit easier for the wolves to properly target with no BG and no Seer to scare them. So I don't think there is a ton of info to take from that.

How about this -

1.) have you used your power every day?
2.) do you feel like you've made good use of your powers, knowing the results?

[Autumn]

All right, let's simmer down folks. We don't really have time for a brouhaha.

[Lathum]

Fool. Just found it recently and joined up. the version 9 version.
..

How can you say you're not taking anything personally in on statement then call me a fool in the other?

You sure are good at first impressions.

[Autumn]

I don't really think agree with your analysis, CrimsonFox, but I"ll be interested to hear if anyone backs up your slutting agenda.

[PurdueBrad]

So either CF just made a poor reveal or KWhit made a bad claim at being slutted.

HENRY, you're here, were you slutted?

[PurdueBrad]

unvote Saldana

[PurdueBrad]

I'm coin toss then between KWhit and Crimson but I want to put some pressure out there to make some moves happen:

vote KWhit

[CrimsonFox]

How can you say you're not taking anything personally in on statement then call me a fool in the other?

You sure are good at first impressions.
:lol:

FOOL....that's the name of AlanT's OOTP Baseball group game. It stands for Front Office Offseason League. It's under the main forums somewhere. That's where I saw the werewolf games thread. I've played it at Gencon (gaming convention) before a bunch but all live action. Have no idea the implications and complications of an online game but I'm learning the hard way. Are there any other "Why are you such a newbie?" questions I can answer?!?!?

[CrimsonFox]

All right, let's simmer down folks. We don't really have time for a brouhaha.

nope broohahaha over. I've been up too long and am starting to snap. :P

[PurdueBrad]

Just caught the part regarding the schizo, I'll stay here just to see what happens, but that does change things. Damn me and the role I made.

[Autumn]

I don't think KWhit said he was slutted.

[KWhit]

So either CF just made a poor reveal or KWhit made a bad claim at being slutted.

HENRY, you're here, were you slutted?

I didn't say I was slutted. I was put ON ICE.

[CrimsonFox]

Slutted means you cannot do ANYTHING at night, meaning use your power or eat someone.

[PurdueBrad]

Oh, different thing, my bad.

unvote KWhit

[Lathum]

I need a beer

[henry296]

So either CF just made a poor reveal or KWhit made a bad claim at being slutted.

HENRY, you're here, were you slutted?

No I wasn't slutted.

[PurdueBrad]

Guess I'm right back in the same spot then, damn, I was excited, though we finally caught some sort of break.

vote Saldana

[CrimsonFox]

So either CF just made a poor reveal or KWhit made a bad claim at being slutted.


yeah I agree but I was in it after I started. Was thinking of not but everyone started throwing fits and such so oh well. But we really need a wolf. So if you have to lynch me to prove some things or the wolves go after me tonight to spare you guys so be it. I'm really lost at this point.

[Autumn]

Did you take an action on that night, Henry?

[CrimsonFox]

No I wasn't slutted.

Then henry is definitely a wolf.

DING! That's one. Remember that.

[hoopsguy]

Trying to wait for Schmidty to have a chance to respond to my question, but I'm going to have to put my kid to bed soon. Vote won't stay on Darth, I guess.

[KWhit]

Then henry is definitely a wolf.

DING! That's one. Remember that.

Why? I'm missing the point here, I guess.

[Lathum]

Then henry is definitely a wolf.

DING! That's one. Remember that.

how does this make him a wolf?

Maybe I am missing something, but if he was a wolf why wouldn't he just go along with you and say he was slutted?

[Autumn]

Then henry is definitely a wolf.

DING! That's one. Remember that.

Not so fast tiger. You're assuming someone knows if theyre slutted. He might only know if he was stopped from doing something.

[Autumn]

FWIW, I believe CF though I don't think he's likely nailed any wolves. I'm more interested in seeing reactions on RendeR, dubb and Schmidty right now.

[CrimsonFox]

Why? I'm missing the point here, I guess.

because he just lied. He said he wasn't slutted last night and he WAS slutted.
This will be revealed after you lynch me or the wolves kill me. I'm pretty definite one of the two are going to happen so may as well give you guys all my info. saldana's silence now also says a thousand words.

[ntndeacon]

Not so fast tiger. You're assuming someone knows if theyre slutted. He might only know if he was stopped from doing something.

hold on. They are supposed to know.

[CrimsonFox]

Not so fast tiger. You're assuming someone knows if theyre slutted. He might only know if he was stopped from doing something.

yes they know they've been slutted. At least Danny told me they do.

[ntndeacon]

Unvote CF

[KWhit]

I actually have a feeling that henry may be a wolf, but that has nothing to do with CF.

[Autumn]

4-3-2, which is too close to even know how the vote will go.

I really don't see CF as a wolf here, though he may surprise me. I'd rather see us go a different direction.

[KWhit]

Why would Henry lie about thaat though?

[henry296]

Sorry CrimsonFox, but you are the one who is lying. I got no so message. I agree with Lathum if I was a wolf, why would I lie?

[Autumn]

Hmm

[henry296]

Sorry CrimsonFox, but you are the one who is lying. I got no so message. I agree with Lathum if I was a wolf, why would I lie?

edit... no such message.

[KWhit]

4-3-2, which is too close to even know how the vote will go.

I really don't see CF as a wolf here, though he may surprise me. I'd rather see us go a different direction.

Me too.

I feel wolf vibes from henry and Jackal most of all right now.

[Autumn]

This would be a good time for a soothsayer, but not like we could believe them.

Well, here's a tossup. I don't trust either of these guys that far, but I might trust CF further than Henry.

[Danny]

Someone will only know they are slutted if it prevents an action, I interpreted it this way, but will change the description to clear up confusion.

[PurdueBrad]

Lets change it up some then.

unvote Saldana

vote Henry

[KWhit]

UNVOTE JACKAL

VOTE HENRY

[Autumn]

Well, if CF is a wolf, he's trying to throw us off onto a villager before he gets lynched. It would cost us a night to lynch Henry and then have to go back after him, and then waste tomorrow on an easy vote.

If Henry is a wolf, he's lying hoping we lynch CF instead. Again costs us a night and a runaway vote tomorrow.

[ntndeacon]

so they both may be telling the truth?

[Autumn]

Someone will only know they are slutted if it prevents an action, I interpreted it this way, but will change the description to clear up confusion.

Never mind then, this is what I assumed. I think CF is probably telling the truth then and just didn't imagine this interpretation. I'll stick with Schmidty.

[hoopsguy]

I actually have a feeling that henry may be a wolf, but that has nothing to do with CF.

Yep, I don't trust Henry a ton either. But this dispute really isn't a data point in that assessment.

[KWhit]

Someone will only know they are slutted if it prevents an action, I interpreted it this way, but will change the description to clear up confusion.

Ugh. That changes things. They're probably both telling the truth. I still get wolf vibes from henry, but I don't know if it's enough to lynch him now.

[henry296]

CrimsonFox is definitely lying. I have a night action as the Ghost Whisperer and was able to talk to EagleFan. His two scans were Path and Jackal. Path/Lathum are clear and Jackal is a wolf. However, since I wasn't able to get on after I got the message until this evening, I was waiting for tomorrow since Jackal said he wasn't going to be on tonight and that wasn't fair.

Therefore, I stay with my CrimsonFox vote and will vote Jackal tomorrow.

[path12]

Hoops, I'd vote Darth with you but I'm not sure we've got anyone else today.

[KWhit]

I think I'll leave my vote on henry. He is the last of the unlceared DT voters from day one other than me. I know I'm good. So I think he's a woilf.

[Autumn]

CrimsonFox is definitely lying. I have a night action as the Ghost Whisperer and was able to talk to EagleFan. His two scans were Path and Jackal. Path/Lathum are clear and Jackal is a wolf. However, since I wasn't able to get on after I got the message until this evening, I was waiting for tomorrow since Jackal said he wasn't going to be on tonight and that wasn't fair.

Therefore, I stay with my CrimsonFox vote and will vote Jackal tomorrow.

Jeez.

[path12]

CrimsonFox is definitely lying. I have a night action as the Ghost Whisperer and was able to talk to EagleFan. His two scans were Path and Jackal. Path/Lathum are clear and Jackal is a wolf. However, since I wasn't able to get on after I got the message until this evening, I was waiting for tomorrow since Jackal said he wasn't going to be on tonight and that wasn't fair.

Therefore, I stay with my CrimsonFox vote and will vote Jackal tomorrow.

Wait a minute, not fair to reveal a wolf because he's out? I call BS.

VOTE HENRY

[Lathum]

saldana's silence now also says a thousand words.

Why?

And Saldana is putting his kids to bed right now, hence his silence.

[KWhit]

CrimsonFox is definitely lying. I have a night action as the Ghost Whisperer and was able to talk to EagleFan. His two scans were Path and Jackal. Path/Lathum are clear and Jackal is a wolf. However, since I wasn't able to get on after I got the message until this evening, I was waiting for tomorrow since Jackal said he wasn't going to be on tonight and that wasn't fair.

Therefore, I stay with my CrimsonFox vote and will vote Jackal tomorrow.

WTF!??!?

[KWhit]

Is the real ghost whisperer on to counter?

[Autumn]

This doesn't make any sense. Why did Henry take so long to tell us this? But why would he bother if he was a wolf and had just dodged a bullet?

[Autumn]

vote count?

[KWhit]

This is open and shut guys. We lynch henry tonight. If he's a villager, we go after Jackal and CF the next two nights.

[Autumn]

no way EF scans a wolf and doesn't tell us, right?

[CrimsonFox]

CrimsonFox is definitely lying. I have a night action as the Ghost Whisperer and was able to talk to EagleFan. His two scans were Path and Jackal. Path/Lathum are clear and Jackal is a wolf. However, since I wasn't able to get on after I got the message until this evening, I was waiting for tomorrow since Jackal said he wasn't going to be on tonight and that wasn't fair.

Therefore, I stay with my CrimsonFox vote and will vote Jackal tomorrow.

I'm not lying. I'm going with what I knew about the slut role and how they know (which was really vague to begin with). But calling me a liar over a misuinterpretation sounds like wolfspeak

unvote saldana
vote henry

[henry296]

Wait a minute, not fair to reveal a wolf because he's out? I call BS.

VOTE HENRY

It doesn't matter when we get him.

[KWhit]

This doesn't make any sense. Why did Henry take so long to tell us this? But why would he bother if he was a wolf and had just dodged a bullet?

I don't think it matters. If he's a villager, we got the info out of him we needed. I say we lynch him, find out if he's telling the truth and then go from there.

[PurdueBrad]

CrimsonFox is definitely lying. I have a night action as the Ghost Whisperer and was able to talk to EagleFan. His two scans were Path and Jackal. Path/Lathum are clear and Jackal is a wolf. However, since I wasn't able to get on after I got the message until this evening, I was waiting for tomorrow since Jackal said he wasn't going to be on tonight and that wasn't fair.

Therefore, I stay with my CrimsonFox vote and will vote Jackal tomorrow.

I don't think EF doesn't leave anything behind that points to Jackal if he scanned as a wolf.

[hoopsguy]

Wait a minute, not fair to reveal a wolf because he's out? I call BS.

VOTE HENRY

Second.

[ntndeacon]

Vote henry

[Autumn]

Is there a real slut out there? If CF was bad why would he claim to slut someone he didn't?

[CrimsonFox]

You can gladly vote me off tomorrow if I'm still alive, but i think sal;dana and the other wolf will kill me tonight anyway.

lynch me tomorrow and henry tonight cause he's SOOOOO acting wolf

[hoopsguy]

Oops, dola that probably is not going to take ...

UNVOTE DARTH VILUS
VOTE HENRY

[path12]

It doesn't matter when we get him.

With the seer dead, if he tells you he found a wolf you announce it. Immediately. What if you had held it and got night killed? Or were away without time to reveal?

Besides, KWhit makes sense. We can't be sure of your info until we know what side you're on.

[PurdueBrad]

I would really like to see more movement here.

[KWhit]

I don't think EF doesn't leave anything behind that points to Jackal if he scanned as a wolf.

Yeah. this too.

[path12]

lynch me tomorrow and henry tonight cause he's SOOOOO acting wolf

That makes me want to vote you. But there is time.

[Autumn]

<b>unvote schmidty
vote henry</b>

I want this one to be thorough though I'm really not sure what's going on.

[Danny]

As of 948
4 Henry (PurdueBrad 927, Kwhit 928, Path 938, CF 946)
3 CrimsonFox (Saldana 780, Lathum 793, Henry 869)
3 Saldana (CrimsonFox 845, Render 862)
2 Schmidty (Autumn 855, J23 863)
1 Kwhit (Jackal 851)
1 Hoops (Darth Vilus 838)
1 Darth (Hoops 875)

[PurdueBrad]

Come on, somebody that is on, make the move to lock this up.

[PurdueBrad]

Oh, NM, looking at the count it should carry between 948 and 960.

[KWhit]

Feeling good about this one.

[CrimsonFox]

second works? please actually type it just in case :)

[Lathum]

CF

In case you die tonight, can you sum up why you are so certain Saldana is a wolf?

[hoopsguy]

I think it is about 7-3 right now, will post updates in a sec.

[CrimsonFox]

danny take out my vote for saldana

[PurdueBrad]

Great question Lathum

[hoopsguy]

As of post #959:


(766) - Saldana votes PB (PB 1)
(780) - Saldana unvotes PB, votes CF (CF 1)
(789) - Path votes Saldana (CF 1, Saldana 1)
(793) - Lathum votes CF (CF 2, Saldana 1)
(799) - Path unvotes Saldana (CF 2)
(807) - Real Deal vote/unvote/vote KWhit
(814) - Real Deal killed by KWhit
(838) - DV votes Hoops (CF 2, Hoops 1)
(839) - KWhit votes The Jackal (CF 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1)
(845) - CF votes Saldana (CF 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, Saldana 1)
(851) - The Jackal votes KWhit (CF 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, Saldana 1, KWhit 1)
(855) - Autumn votes Schmidty (CF 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, Saldana 1, KWhit 1, Schmidty 1)
(862) - RendeR votes Saldana (CF 2, Saldana 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, KWhit 1, Schmidty 1)
(863) - J23 votes Schmidty (CF 2, Saldana 2, Schmidty 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, KWhit 1)
(869) - Henry votes CF (CF 3, Saldana 2, Schmidty 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, KWhit 1)
(870) - NTN votes CF (CF 4, Saldana 2, Schmidty 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, KWhit 1)
(875) - Hoops votes DV (CF 4, Saldana 2, Schmidty 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, KWhit 1, DV 1)
(879) - PB votes Saldana (CF 4, Saldana 3, Schmidty 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, KWhit 1, DV 1)
(894) - PB unvotes Saldana (CF 4, Saldana 2, Schmidty 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, KWhit 1, DV 1)
(895) - PB votes KWhit (CF 4, Saldana 2, Schmidty 2, KWhit 2, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, DV 1)
(902) - PB unvotes KWhit (CF 4, Saldana 2, Schmidty 2, KWhit 1, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, DV 1)
(905) - PB votes Saldana (CF 4, saldana 3, Schmidty 2, KWhit 1, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, DV 1)
(917) - NTN unvotes CF (CF 3, Saldana 3, Schmidty 2, KWhit 1, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, DV 1)
(927) - PB unvotes Saldana, votes Henry (CF 3, Saldana 2, Schmidty 2, KWhit 1, Hoops 1, The Jackal 1, DV 1, Henry 1)
(928) - KWhit unvotes The Jackal, votes Henry (CF 3, Saldana 2, Schmidty 2, Henry 2, KWhit 1, Hoops 1, DV 1)
(938) - Path votes Henry (CF 3, Saldana 3, Henry 3, Schmidty 2, KWhit 1, Hoops 1, DV 1)
(946) - CF unvotes Saldana, votes Henry (Henry 4, CF 3, Saldana 2, Schmidty 2, KWhit 1, Hoops 1, DV 1)
(951) - NTN votes Henry (Henry 5, CF 3, Saldana 2, Schmidty 2, KWhit 1, Hoops 1, DV 1)
(954) - Hoops unvotes DV, votes Henry (Henry 6, CF 3, Saldana 2, Schmidty 2, KWhit 1, Hoops 1)
(959) - Autumn unvotes Schmidty, votes Henry (Henry 7, CF 3, Saldana 2, Schmidty 1, KWhit 1, Hoops 1)

[Danny]

Deadline

[CrimsonFox]

lathum, someone else started on day 2 pointing out saldana's odd behavior, voting,m changing votes, odd statements and i latched onto that. He started attacking me with weird rewasoning and votes and has kept doing that, changing on a whim. I'm just reading wolf all over him. Maybe my misinterptretation of the realdeal thing made me clinch him prematurely but his actions are all "misdirecting"

[Danny]

Final
7 Henry (PurdueBrad 927, Kwhit 928, Path 938, CF 946, ntn 951, Hoops 954 Autumn 959)
3 CrimsonFox (Saldana 780, Lathum 793, Henry 869)
1 Saldana (Render 862)
1 Schmidty (J23 863)
1 Kwhit (Jackal 851)
1 Hoops (Darth Vilus 838)

[PurdueBrad]

I think that is the most vote/unvoting I've done in a single WW day.

[saldana]

because he just lied. He said he wasn't slutted last night and he WAS slutted.
This will be revealed after you lynch me or the wolves kill me. I'm pretty definite one of the two are going to happen so may as well give you guys all my info. saldana's silence now also says a thousand words.

yeah, it says i wasnt in the thread...i dont have a night action,so you slutting me had absolutely no impact on anything, and i received no information about having been the target of your sluttery

[CrimsonFox]

he was slutted night 2 but if he IS the governor he doesn't know that.

[Autumn]

You believe Henry, LathuM?

[CrimsonFox]

yup sald, that's what I was just getting to :) Thanks for beating me. Now go howl and eat me.

[Schmidty]

Schmidty, we are starting to run out of roles and I'm not sure how much value there is in claiming them anyway when most of them are neutral. What it really does it make it a bit easier for the wolves to properly target with no BG and no Seer to scare them. So I don't think there is a ton of info to take from that.

How about this -

1.) have you used your power every day?
2.) do you feel like you've made good use of your powers, knowing the results?

1) Yes, but I'm not going to this day.
2) No. My power is kind of lame (no offense to the creator). Either that or I don't know how to use it best.

[Danny]

Henry is lynched. He was the Ghost Whisperer and a wolf

[KWhit]

YAYYAYYAYAYAYAYAYAY

[PurdueBrad]

BOOM!

[Autumn]

Nice work, CrimsonFox

[PurdueBrad]

Okay, so how do we read the Jackal move? Truth to throw us off henry's case OR a move to set-up a villager?

[PurdueBrad]

Yeah CF, very, very well done.

[path12]

CF, I agree with you that saldana has seemed to misdirect and that is why I had a vote on him early today......but my main priority is getting a wolf lynched and if he is the governor then I don't get closer to that priority.

I doubt you are a wolf target though. You're more likely to get yourself lynched, seems to me.

[KWhit]

Okay, so how do we read the Jackal move? Truth to throw us off henry's case OR a move to set-up a villager?

Personally, I still think he's a wolf.

[hoopsguy]

Good work, Path + KWhit + others.

Given that the Ghost Whisperer stuff had not come out before now I kind of figured it was a wolf with the role. It seemed that a villager would have provided that info as soon as they were online.

[ntndeacon]

Finally we get one!

[path12]

Well, maybe not now.

[CrimsonFox]

I feel vindicated. Whew! So glad that info wasn't wasted as I really wasn't sure it could convince anyone of anything when both on the surface are just hunches.

[Lathum]

lathum, someone else started on day 2 pointing out saldana's odd behavior, voting,m changing votes, odd statements and i latched onto that. He started attacking me with weird rewasoning and votes and has kept doing that, changing on a whim. I'm just reading wolf all over him. Maybe my misinterptretation of the realdeal thing made me clinch him prematurely but his actions are all "misdirecting"

Thanks, was just curious if it was a "gut" thing or not.

[path12]

Personally, I still think he's a wolf.

I don't. The thing that I found weird about that whole thing was that it looked like EF scanned me night 1. I didn't resurrect Lathum until day 2 and wasn't really getting any heat before that, so it seems an unlikely scan to make N1.

Henry coming up wolf makes me doubt he's put another wolf name out there.

[Autumn]

I don't see any reason to think he was telling the truth about Path or Jackal. It would be silly to throw Jackal to us as a bone when he could jsut pick any villager.

[Schmidty]

Great job guys. Sorry I didn't help at all.

[Lathum]

Man, I am amazed that Henry didn't just go with it.

[RendeR]

Nice work fellas!

As for the person calling me out for my seemingly "meta" voting path, well, based on what *I* know, thats all I have to work on at this point.

I'm the survivor, and a villager, I thought this was apparent when I was lynched last night, no?

I'm sorry I'm not hear slinging insults with everyone, but I do have a life outside WW and that takes priority. Sorry if that offends you.

My vote today was for no other REAL reason than getting a second vote on someone (Saldana) my choice of who to do that to was based on nothing realistic at all, simply my instincts.

Carry on!

[CrimsonFox]

Thanks, was just curious if it was a "gut" thing or not.

it was half gut and half "he's picking on me! STOP IT!" reaction....as you see I'm apt to have on little sleep heheheh

Again, sorry for getting heated lathum. But everyone calling me a newbie and thus is doing everything wrong is getting to me.

[KWhit]

I don't see any reason to think he was telling the truth about Path or Jackal. It would be silly to throw Jackal to us as a bone when he could jsut pick any villager.

Maybe. I'm more swayed by my initial thoughts of Jackal's wolfishness before henry's "reveal" so I'm assuming that henry may be doing the 2nd level trickery thing. Now that we have nabbed a wolf, we'll be able to go back and see how what posts/votes become more interesting and informative now.

[path12]

As for the person calling me out for my seemingly "meta" voting path, well, based on what *I* know, thats all I have to work on at this point.

Huh?

[KWhit]

Man, I am amazed that Henry didn't just go with it.

+1. It must have totally taken him by surprise.